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X30 Nemec666
11-05-2015, 09:05
Could it be that there is something wrong?
If i drive the Clio without driving assists it`s easy to handle after 2 or 3 Laps.
If i drive with driving assists have uncontrollable breakouts on the rear. On long fast curves you have no chance and the back overtakes you any time.

Thats only on the Clio and the old Escort so far. All other cars are nearly perfect to handle.
Anyone else with this problem or a solution?

itakethepics
11-05-2015, 09:08
Reduce the tyre pressure for the rear slighty? Maybe just play about with the car for a bit, you should be able to bed out the oversteer.

Siberian Tiger
11-05-2015, 09:11
Perhaps you are also suffering from the Hyper Sensible Controls on Xbox One...
The Devs are working on a Patch for the Xbox One.

Or what you also can do setupwise is to shift the brake Balance a Little bit to the rear...

Phishfinger
11-05-2015, 09:23
I fixed the Clio by tweaking only the differential

Acceleration lock from default 100 down to 85

Deceleration from default 10 up to 50

I didn't touch the preload

Overall it made the car much smoother around corners without spinning out into the wall.

Plato99
11-05-2015, 09:23
Have you seen the real Clio Cup races?
I'd be nervous too !! :)

Blackvault
11-05-2015, 09:25
Moved to The Garage - Car Setup Talk

You should be able to cure most of your issues with setup tweaks.

Pete

X30 Nemec666
11-05-2015, 10:54
Perhaps you are also suffering from the Hyper Sensible Controls on Xbox One...
The Devs are working on a Patch for the Xbox One.

Or what you also can do setupwise is to shift the brake Balance a Little bit to the rear...

Its nothing with the Controller as i wrote all other Cars are nearly perfect with handling.
Tire and Setup i`ve tried a lot but nothing changed except i turn off all assists. I hope the changes in differential bring some positive effects.
But that should not be that you can`t drive the 2 ones without setup or? Try it yourself with assist on an tell me how much fun it is? ;)

bmanic
11-05-2015, 20:30
Differential decelration lock is a very easy and quick way to make it a lot more manageable.. the downside is that you won't be "chucking it in" to the corners as easily and thus do slower laptimes. In this car class it really seems to be like this: Difficult to master car setup = a lot faster if you can keep it together.

BehnReady
12-05-2015, 06:33
Set engine brake mapping to 7, that will reduce a lot of liftoff oversteer.

X30 Nemec666
12-05-2015, 06:45
Thanks a lot Guys!
I fixed this issue with a lil bit reducing the tyre pressure for the rear and set the differential to this:

Acceleration lock from default 100 down to 85
Deceleration from default 10 up to 25

But the real Key was turning off the stability control!
Now this little beast drives like an ace - i love it.

Here is a small Clip from driving after the new setup. Really bad laps but as you can see in the fast corners the rear is stable.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUvWva4uc08

dpage31
12-05-2015, 07:42
That's far too stable for me!! Loose is the best way to use a Clio in my eyes!

Wonder
12-05-2015, 08:28
Does any know good camber setting for the Clio???

CTestF
12-05-2015, 09:20
Thx for the Video... It looks very stable.

Do you use xbox or ps4? Do you use controller pad or steering wheel?

Much appreciated...

X30 Nemec666
12-05-2015, 12:22
Thx for the Video... It looks very stable.

Do you use xbox or ps4? Do you use controller pad or steering wheel?

Much appreciated...

im playing on Xbox One with Pad. Standard Setup for controller with manual shifting.

Jake44
12-05-2015, 12:28
Does any know good camber setting for the Clio???

Maximum! :cool:

robstav1
12-05-2015, 15:12
I found with the Clio if you keep your foot (finger in my case) absolutely pinned the front wheel drive will save you from the most awkward angles imaginable. This is often how the pro's and BTCC drivers save their cars during lift of over-steer/ half spin/ hairy moment. There was a few times at Donnington where I was tagged or lost it completely through the sweeping curves and managed to keep it going. Any RWD car would have gone round. :) I will certainly try a couple of the setups in future too.

CTestF
13-05-2015, 10:10
Thx for the Info X30.

When you say "Standard Setup For Controller" what does that mean specifically?

I also use Xbox + Pad + Manual and feel that the success with this car maybe depends more on the pad control settings than on regular tuning. Not the way it should be but... whatever works...

X30 Nemec666
13-05-2015, 11:44
Thx for the Info X30.

When you say "Standard Setup For Controller" what does that mean specifically?

I also use Xbox + Pad + Manual and feel that the success with this car maybe depends more on the pad control settings than on regular tuning. Not the way it should be but... whatever works...


I mean i`ve changed nothing in the settings from the controller except Manual.
Never tried but with the new little setup on the Clio i have still no problems and love this little beast.

gwr3850
13-05-2015, 12:08
I found with the Clio if you keep your foot (finger in my case) absolutely pinned the front wheel drive will save you from the most awkward angles imaginable. This is often how the pro's and BTCC drivers save their cars during lift of over-steer/ half spin/ hairy moment. There was a few times at Donnington where I was tagged or lost it completely through the sweeping curves and managed to keep it going. Any RWD car would have gone round. :) I will certainly try a couple of the setups in future too.

This does work, as soon as I get tapped and the car will spin, I Notch it down a gear and floor it with opposite lock

mcarver2000
14-05-2015, 16:45
Speaking of tire (or should that be tyre) pressure. I can't seem to get the middle tire temps down to match the outside/inside. Is this "realistic"? Proper tire setup along with camber should have the middle temp the average of the outer/inner temps. Lower tire temps is about the only thing to will bring down the middle temps (but it never happens even with extreme low pressure -- the tires just start to overheat).

donpost
14-05-2015, 21:00
Speaking of tire (or should that be tyre) pressure. I can't seem to get the middle tire temps down to match the outside/inside. Is this "realistic"? Proper tire setup along with camber should have the middle temp the average of the outer/inner temps. Lower tire temps is about the only thing to will bring down the middle temps (but it never happens even with extreme low pressure -- the tires just start to overheat).

I've looked at this too and you can't really do anything about the middle temp. Also, extreme camber settings only very slightly adjust the inside/outside balance.

Patrik Marek
14-05-2015, 22:11
it's funny, you would think that it would be easy to drive but it can get very tricky,

what I found to be helping me a lot is to not turn with no throttle, basically I will always try to be a bit on the throttle, that tends to reduce lift of overseer,
it's a great fun car to drive though

JeyD02
15-05-2015, 04:01
I fixed the Clio by tweaking only the differential

Acceleration lock from default 100 down to 85

Deceleration from default 10 up to 50

I didn't touch the preload

Overall it made the car much smoother around corners without spinning out into the wall.

Actually the preload is the settings that affects most the input of driver. Basically it is one to the main thing things for making car upset under certain situations specially transitioning from breaks to accel and visa versa . If it's too response/nervous decrease it a bit.

LoBridge
15-05-2015, 20:20
I fixed the Clio by tweaking only the differential

Acceleration lock from default 100 down to 85

Deceleration from default 10 up to 50

I didn't touch the preload

Overall it made the car much smoother around corners without spinning out into the wall.

This worked wonders for me. Thanks!

JeyD02
15-05-2015, 22:56
Speaking of tire (or should that be tyre) pressure. I can't seem to get the middle tire temps down to match the outside/inside. Is this "realistic"? Proper tire setup along with camber should have the middle temp the average of the outer/inner temps. Lower tire temps is about the only thing to will bring down the middle temps (but it never happens even with extreme low pressure -- the tires just start to overheat).

That means, it needs more tire pressure.

MULTIVITZ
16-05-2015, 14:57
Lol I read these posts the other day and thought it can't be that bad, can it? The default setup for the cup is impossible to use with a controller and no fun with a wheel. I spent the afternoon tuning it and it is now as they say 'crash proof'. I'm estatic, would be an understatement. Lower rear pressures tighten diff up alot, my rear camber is no more that 1.6degrees. From there its a matter of tuning!

SeaTac
18-05-2015, 03:38
I tried with all these settings and it did improve a bit but still had nasty oversteer on lift. I tightened up the rear swaybar and it made a big difference on the oversteer on lift problem.

Patrik Marek
19-05-2015, 16:48
playing some more Clip cup races, and I was bit frustrated that on straights AI seemed to be pulling away from me ( Donnington) even if I got a better drive out of corner, at some point AI just had more power and started pulling away,

for the next race I increased pressure in front tires to 1.8-2.0 bar , and suddenly I was able to keep up

ford_racer
19-05-2015, 19:06
playing some more Clip cup races, and I was bit frustrated that on straights AI seemed to be pulling away from me ( Donnington) even if I got a better drive out of corner, at some point AI just had more power and started pulling away,

for the next race I increased pressure in front tires to 1.8-2.0 bar , and suddenly I was able to keep up

Shift when the shift lights just barely get to the yellow. That helped me.

tonaz
28-09-2017, 19:36
I fixed this issue with a lil bit reducing the tyre pressure for the rear and set the differential to this:
Acceleration lock from default 100 down to 85
Deceleration from default 10 up to 25

Translated in pCars2 settings? Thanks

Patrik Marek
03-10-2017, 03:38
Translated in pCars2 settings? Thanks
heh, have to check it out, funny that I could drive it, having problems in pc2