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Jellibean
12-05-2015, 08:52
Well, i know that Game Development on different Hardware isnt that easy and especially on PC where many different Components can be used by the Player it is "normal" that there will be found some Bugs after Release of a New Game. But perhaps someone can explain me how SMS can Release a Game after such a long time with so many Delay even if there are so many Issues wich where not found with there own QA and wich where not found by the Microsoft Milestone and End Controlling. I really never saw a Game before with Hard Crashes to "Desk" as i saw in Project Cars in different Situations (for example during doing nothing else then watching a Replay or having a Crash in Spa). I dont get it, but ok, there is only one Crash every two hours, lets give it a Chance ...

Ok, there are Problems with Adjustment of my Steering Wheel (Thrustmaster TX Racing Wheel F458 Italia) even if there are .... how many are there at the Moment 3 or 4 certified XBox One Steering Wheels? Do you really want to explain me that it was not possible to find those things? Anyway i can use my Wheel so perhaps i should be glad for the Moment.

What is really annoying me is the "Thing" with the differences between XBox and other Online Lobbys. I payed the same (or more) Price then any other Player using the PS4 or the PC Version and no one told me before that there is a different Game Experience when i want to play Project Cars on my XBox One. I have to use a useless Match Making with no working System for filtering the kind of Game i want to Play and you really want to explain me that Microsoft is responsible for these decision? Why does online Experience is working the same way in other Games? What did Microsoft told you, "well, our Customers should not have the same Fun then Sony Customers should have"?
I brought the Pre Order Edition and a usefull and working Multiplayer is essential for me. So i really like to know if there will be the same Online Lobby as on PS4 and PC soon, or, if not, will you provide me with a Download Code for any other System, because i have no Chance to refund and i did not get informed about these essential differences before i brought the game.

Dont get me wrong, the Game looks nice and there is many potential to get the best Racing Game ever, but what happens at the Moment is really anoying!

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MysterG
12-05-2015, 08:57
I understand your frustrations but things will get better.

It's unfortunate a number of problems reared their heads on retail versions of the console, and that other bugs exist, but the devs are committed to finding and fixing everything they can.

As for the Microsoft lobbies/MP issue that is not what everyone would have hoped for, but to not have the game at all as an alternative would really have upset people.

I hope you can hang in there. Stuff will get better :positive:

Jellibean
12-05-2015, 09:38
Thanks for the fast Response but as you can imagine, i am not really pleased with the Content of your Reply.

I am sure that SMS will do anything to provide People with "better Stuff" and try to fix as many Bugs as possible. But you did not answer the General Question so far and i would like to ask you or the Developer directly again:

- Will the XBox One Multiplayer Lobby work the same way then PC and PS4 Version do, or will the XBox One Version only use an improved automatic Match Making in future?

Miesjh
12-05-2015, 10:59
Thanks for the fast Response but as you can imagine, i am not really pleased with the Content of your Reply.

I am sure that SMS will do anything to provide People with "better Stuff" and try to fix as many Bugs as possible. But you did not answer the General Question so far and i would like to ask you or the Developer directly again:

- Will the XBox One Multiplayer Lobby work the same way then PC and PS4 Version do, or will the XBox One Version only use an improved automatic Match Making in future?

Good question!

Sankyo
12-05-2015, 11:04
http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?23650-No-Lobby-for-Xbox-One-Why&p=898869#post898869

Jellibean
12-05-2015, 12:16
http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?23650-No-Lobby-for-Xbox-One-Why&p=898869#post898869

I would like to thank you too for .... aerm..... nothing. Dont get me wrong, i know this Thread, i know the Response from the Development, but everything we got so far from every side is what we know, it is not working and it will Change soon. IF the Development Team is working on that Issue and want to have a Fix soon, they should know right now what to do solving the Problem? Then i can not understand, why there shouldnt be an easy Answer on an easy Question.

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Blackvault
12-05-2015, 12:19
I would like to thank you too for .... aerm..... nothing. Dont get me wrong, i know this Thread, i know the Response from the Development, but everything we got so far from every side is what we know, it is not working and it will Change soon. IF the Development Team is working on that Issue and want to have a Fix soon, they should know right now what to do solving the Problem? Then i can not understand, why there shouldnt be an easy Answer on an easy Question.

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I love how you are second guessing the devs on this one. They could well know how to go about fixing something but at the moment its a question of priority. Do remember that we are small team and don't have rooms full of developers like some of the bigger games studios.

Pete

Jellibean
12-05-2015, 12:35
I love you playing the Charity Card .... i could say that SMS took the Money from the Players like a bigger games Studio, but that is not the way i want to discuss with you.

I know that there are no rooms full of developers and i am sure that there are some Issues need to be fixed faster then other. Keep in mind that i did not ask for a Timeline or a fixed Patch release Date. The only thing i want to know is how the Mulitplayer Lobby will work (similar/same way then PC or PS4 or automatic match making) and everything i feel to get is delaying Tactics.

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Andre

Phil Bluntz
12-05-2015, 14:42
I am also really ticked off by the way devs think they can sell an unfinished product then blame it on the size of the dev team,too many accountants and not enough fans making games these days,if I bought any other product and it didn't work as it should there would be a re-call or full reimbursement by the vendor to the customer,I was expecting a rival for the forza franchise which has been slowly alienating its fans with less in game content and more paid dlc, but hats off to you guys who have managed to do it in the first week,so sad💩

lauriehouse
12-05-2015, 15:13
They're not playing the charity card..They are explaining your question.

Battlefield 4 came out a broken game, unplayable with many many more bugs than this game and they have a HUGE development team. The fact that Slighty Mad came out with a game this huge is amazing.

Of course there are going to be bugs, but the developers are working as hard as possible to fix the problems. Give them some time.

thisisbleep
12-05-2015, 15:20
They're not playing the charity card..They are explaining your question.

Battlefield 4 came out a broken game, unplayable with many many more bugs than this game and they have a HUGE development team. The fact that Slighty Mad came out with a game this huge is amazing.

Of course there are going to be bugs, but the developers are working as hard as possible to fix the problems. Give them some time.

It is also out on 3 platforms, so some bugs might be harder to tackle and they have 3 release builds to maintain.

Most games have bugs on launch these days and Project CARS is no exception, some are far worse than others, for now be patient and let the developers do their jobs.

Sankyo
12-05-2015, 15:21
Also worth repeating that quite a few bugs being reported on these forums now were not seen during development. The community had only access to PC builds, console development happened behind closed doors for Microsoft and Sony reasons, plus the XB1 issues seem at least partially related to an unreliable software installation routine.

Franco Ferrari
12-05-2015, 15:34
The community had only access to PC builds, console development happened behind closed doors for Microsoft and Sony reasons, plus the XB1 issues seem at least partially related to an unreliable software installation routine.


I think this should be stated well and more often... since by now it seems that the problems people is facing on the XB1 are there just because "WMD and SMS were to lazy to test things better".
Which is obviously very far from the truth.

Jellibean
12-05-2015, 17:54
i am wondering why the "Team" is fighting for Reputation without any Reason (i did not blame you) instead of giving a simple Answer on my simple Question. That is the Truth, i am sorry!

Raven403
12-05-2015, 17:58
First let me say I like this game and was looking forward to it for a really long time. I have it on PC and X1 and im commited and not going anywhere and I wouldve bought in on WMD if I knew about it when it was open.
That said every time someone like Jellibean posts that they feel cheated or pissed the WMD and Mods come out to smack them down and say things that make them sound impatient or ridiculous, and so on and so on.

Jellibean not only has every RIGHT to be pissed, he has GOOD REASON to be pissed. In march after yet another delay, we as consumers (not the WMD members who had access and more information) were told the game is 99.9% done. That was obviously a lie for consoles, whether or not SMS KNEW it was a lie is another story, Shit happens bugs pop up that didnt in Development i get all that, the fact is the game people are playing on Xbox1 is not a game you pay 60 bucks for, infact I dont think it can even be said its 99.9% done. On PC sure id say it is, but for someone who only knows the Xbox 1 experience how could they not feel cheated and a bit miffed by either the performance or lack of features. Now this game is nothing like anything Ive seen come to consoles so I think most console users should remain patient and polite on the forums and eventually it will be fixed im sure.

But dont cite the size of the Dev team as a reason this game isnt what THEY SAID it was. Its obvious it was played and tested and Developed on PC, it shows, because its very much so the best version of the game ive played and I adore it. But you also cant blame someone who paid what they paid and didnt get what they were TOLD they were getting. I was told in march when I said all game companies release buggy games and patch them that "SMS is different, they are going to break that trend" and obviously they didnt, But i appreciate the attempt, just dont expect people to be super happy about it. Sorry if this got long winded but im just trying to provide a little bit of perspective for people who are understandably Proud and Defensive of the game.

Raven403
12-05-2015, 18:09
ALL THAT SAID, I dont think I would expect any sort of major overhaul of the Multiplayer Lobby setup for a while Jellibean. There are alot of issues and once THOSE get sorted im sure the wish list stuff will get looked at. The PC and PS4 have lobby browsers like Battlefield did but isnt it easier to just use matchmaking? Or are you looking for a Dedicated lobby set up like Forza had for different classes and such?

Jellibean
12-05-2015, 18:21
ALL THAT SAID, I dont think I would expect any sort of major overhaul of the Multiplayer Lobby setup for a while Jellibean. There are alot of issues and once THOSE get sorted im sure the wish list stuff will get looked at. The PC and PS4 have lobby browsers like Battlefield did but isnt it easier to just use matchmaking? Or are you looking for a Dedicated lobby set up like Forza had for different classes and such?

What i am looking for is the same Multiplayer Experience then Players on PC or PS4 are able to have. Would you like to enter a BF Multiplayer without even having a Chance of selecting the Map you play, oder without having a glue on the Server Settings? Without any Idea about the Number of Players playing on it, without any Idea about the Ping of the Players or wich Game Experience they have? I dont think so :)

Raven403
12-05-2015, 18:28
What i am looking for is the same Multiplayer Experience then Players on PC or PS4 are able to have. Would you like to enter a BF Multiplayer without even having a Chance of selecting the Map you play, oder without having a glue on the Server Settings? Without any Idea about the Number of Players playing on it, without any Idea about the Ping of the Players or wich Game Experience they have? I dont think so :)

Nope your 100% right, I just wanted to clarify what you meant. I have been playing on PC until today but I understand the frustration.

Raven403
12-05-2015, 18:30
Your best bet Jelli might be to find one of these groups forming up to play in groups and organize in the meantime. I know its a pain but just trying to help bud.

Jellibean
12-05-2015, 18:39
Your best bet Jelli might be to find one of these groups forming up to play in groups and organize in the meantime. I know its a pain but just trying to help bud.

I know, thanks for that.

Digger
12-05-2015, 20:44
well all i can say is I'm running Xbox one and have bin waiting for this game to come out for a very long time and seeing all the hype I had high hope's
but on the other hand I understand that its new to XBOX ONE and kind of knew there was a possibility of sum prob's hell I was glued to my console all day and night waiting for the release time so I can play and since then I have tried to play using my controller and I still haven't bin able to make it around the track once.
ya there is going to be bugs but at least they are trying to fix it and not just taking the money and running high grade game's like this do take time and patients they will fix it we just have to give them time and if they need more time then they get it they are doing there best to make it right .
hell iv played battlefield 1234 and hardline and them game's all still have major bugs being killed by a tree with a AK47 make's ya mad and having your thought slit by sum one running around under the map.. or jumping out of a tank and falling 1000 miles up in the sky and dyeing and it never getting fixed that's sum thing to get mad a bought ... ME ill sit here and watch the intro video for a fue month's before I get upset at the DEV's I'm shore they are doing what they can
and till its fixed THANK YOU for the work you have already dun

Digger
12-05-2015, 20:47
well all i can say is I'm running Xbox one and have bin waiting for this game to come out for a very long time and seeing all the hype I had high hope's
but on the other hand I understand that its new to XBOX ONE and kind of knew there was a possibility of sum prob's hell I was glued to my console all day and night waiting for the release time so I can play and since then I have tried to play using my controller and I still haven't bin able to make it around the track once.
ya there is going to be bugs but at least they are trying to fix it and not just taking the money and running high grade game's like this do take time and patients they will fix it we just have to give them time and if they need more time then they get it they are doing there best to make it right .
hell iv played battlefield 1234 and hardline and them game's all still have major bugs being killed by a tree with a AK47 make's ya mad and having your thought slit by sum one running around under the map.. or jumping out of a tank and falling 1000 miles up in the sky and dyeing and it never getting fixed that's sum thing to get mad a bought ... ME ill sit here and watch the intro video for a fue month's before I get upset at the DEV's I'm shore they are doing what they can
and till its fixed THANK YOU for the work you have already dun.

Joep
12-05-2015, 20:57
For the record, i am also disappointed about the ps4 version is crap.
- so buggy
- matchmaking online fails constantly
- driving feeling is not pleasant.
- + Imagine what happens when you join a lobby full of people Who are struggeling to control a hardly drivable game... It Will be a crashing frenzy

Aces N Eights
13-05-2015, 09:47
I'm with you jellybean I remember pre ordering BF4 on Xbox and all the faults with it on release we were told hang in there we will get the problems fixed I remember hanging in there and after a year the game still had issues so hanging in there isn't the answer and to say it's better than having no game at all is ridiculous it's like saying here buy this bike it's got no seat or wheel but hang in there you will get them eventually after Bf4 I said I would never pre order again so bigger fool me for getting sucked into the hype if I'd waited for all issues to be sorted I could have got it for at least half the price this is a lesson we should all learn and stop pre ordering then the might at least think about releasing games that work out of the box

Jellibean
13-05-2015, 10:43
Dear Mods, WMD Member or Developer, is there any answer on my General Question today, or do you want to keep quit on it?

Blackvault
13-05-2015, 10:47
Dear Mods, WMD Member or Developer, is there any answer on my General Question today, or do you want to keep quit on it?

Can't see your specific question, can you repost it or paraphrase it for me please?

Pete

Bealdor
13-05-2015, 10:57
Can't see your specific question, can you repost it or paraphrase it for me please?

Pete

I think he's referring to the missing MP lobbies on XBONE.

Jellibean
13-05-2015, 11:00
Can't see your specific question, can you repost it or paraphrase it for me please?

Pete

you are kidding me, arent you?



...So i really like to know if there will be the same Online Lobby as on PS4 and PC soon...


Will the XBox One Multiplayer Lobby work the same way then PC and PS4 Version do, or will the XBox One Version only use an improved automatic Match Making in future?


The only thing i want to know is how the Mulitplayer Lobby will work (similar/same way then PC or PS4 or automatic match making) and everything i feel to get is delaying Tactics.

Sankyo
13-05-2015, 11:05
Dear Mods, WMD Member or Developer, is there any answer on my General Question today, or do you want to keep quit on it?
There's no 'keeping quiet', stop the unfounded accusations please.

I already gave the answer, there is more to come apparently and that's all that's to be said about it right now.

MysterG
13-05-2015, 11:06
When a devs are ready/able to tell us, they will.

Don't assume that a willingness for devs to interact means they are in a position to answer all questions.

Sankyo
13-05-2015, 11:10
In march after yet another delay, we as consumers (not the WMD members who had access and more information) were told the game is 99.9% done. That was obviously a lie for consoles, whether or not SMS KNEW it was a lie is another story,
That's a strange definition of 'lie'. If you don't know that what you stated isn't true, it's not lying.

The game was finished as it was intended to be for release. The bugs that we see now were not seen during development and certification, otherwise the certification would not have happened. Nobody was lying about anything.


Shit happens bugs pop up that didnt in Development i get all that, the fact is the game people are playing on Xbox1 is not a game you pay 60 bucks for, infact I dont think it can even be said its 99.9% done. On PC sure id say it is, but for someone who only knows the Xbox 1 experience how could they not feel cheated and a bit miffed by either the performance or lack of features. N
The PC and console versions are identical, except for options that are not possible or allowed on consoles.

I can fully understand that people are disappointed with the current state of the XB1 version (for part of the users, others apparently have no issues for whatever reason), but it should be clear that this was not SMS's intent in any way.
As for 'lack of features', not everything could be included in the intial release, other things were not possible due to external constraints. But what lack of features are you referring to?

Blackvault
13-05-2015, 11:13
you are kidding me, arent you?

Sorry but it was buried in the wall of text. Thanks for picking them out though.

So the short answer is, I don't know. References to Ian Bell's comments (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?23650-No-Lobby-for-Xbox-One-Why&p=898869#post898869) regarding the XB1 lobbies has been pointed you. You seem a little dismissive of them. The very fact that Ian has knowledged them should been enough to set your mind at rest that SMS are aware of the problems and are looking into resolving it. You need to appreciate that this might take some time to find a suitable solution as from what I can read from Ian and other's comments, it looks like a Microsoft issue and it might take us time to get some available.

You may feel this is again another "delaying tactic" but you need to understand that it takes time to assess a problem, devise a possible solution, test that, ensure it doesn't introduce other issues, then go through the QA process with, I assume, Namco Bandi and Microsoft before you'll see the end result.

I'm sorry you feel like this but you need to understand that SMS are listening to customer's comments/suggestions/concerns and trying to address them as efficiently as possible.

I hope this helps.

FA RACING 01
13-05-2015, 11:24
Perhaps we should be glad that at least someone answers you and tries to help, I know of some developer that still ignores the community on their problems two years after release. Not trying to be funny at you at all as I have a few frustrations myself, but I find assistance and feedback on issues on these forums way better than I'm used to on the dark side - and that's really no overstatement. We all holding thumbs that your issue and others are resolved or clarified soon.

jam1uk
13-05-2015, 11:25
First let me say I like this game and was looking forward to it for a really long time. I have it on PC and X1 and im commited and not going anywhere and I wouldve bought in on WMD if I knew about it when it was open.
That said every time someone like Jellibean posts that they feel cheated or pissed the WMD and Mods come out to smack them down and say things that make them sound impatient or ridiculous, and so on and so on.

Jellibean not only has every RIGHT to be pissed, he has GOOD REASON to be pissed. In march after yet another delay, we as consumers (not the WMD members who had access and more information) were told the game is 99.9% done. That was obviously a lie for consoles, whether or not SMS KNEW it was a lie is another story, Shit happens bugs pop up that didnt in Development i get all that, the fact is the game people are playing on Xbox1 is not a game you pay 60 bucks for, infact I dont think it can even be said its 99.9% done. On PC sure id say it is, but for someone who only knows the Xbox 1 experience how could they not feel cheated and a bit miffed by either the performance or lack of features. Now this game is nothing like anything Ive seen come to consoles so I think most console users should remain patient and polite on the forums and eventually it will be fixed im sure.

But dont cite the size of the Dev team as a reason this game isnt what THEY SAID it was. Its obvious it was played and tested and Developed on PC, it shows, because its very much so the best version of the game ive played and I adore it. But you also cant blame someone who paid what they paid and didnt get what they were TOLD they were getting. I was told in march when I said all game companies release buggy games and patch them that "SMS is different, they are going to break that trend" and obviously they didnt, But i appreciate the attempt, just dont expect people to be super happy about it. Sorry if this got long winded but im just trying to provide a little bit of perspective for people who are understandably Proud and Defensive of the game.

well said :applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:

Raven403
13-05-2015, 12:30
That's a strange definition of 'lie'. If you don't know that what you stated isn't true, it's not lying.

The game was finished as it was intended to be for release. The bugs that we see now were not seen during development and certification, otherwise the certification would not have happened. Nobody was lying about anything.


The PC and console versions are identical, except for options that are not possible or allowed on consoles.

I can fully understand that people are disappointed with the current state of the XB1 version for part of the users, others apparently have no issues for whatever reason), but it should be clear that this was not SMS's intent in any way.[/HTML]As for 'lack of features', not everything could be included in the intial release, other things were not possible due to external constraints. But what lack of features are you referring to?



"The PC and console versions are identical, except for options that are not possible or allowed on consoles." --- Then by definition, they are not identical, I understand though, Its usually the case that the PC version is more robust, and Im fine with that. I also 100% understand that WMD members all tested this 99% on PC and that mass testing on Console is complicated especially when Microshaft is involved. A BETA may have helped but thats neither here nor there. As more than a few people have pointed out BF4 had a beta and that launch was still a Cluster F.

"But what lack of features are you referring to?" I was referring to Jellibeans initial question about the lack of a lobby system on XB

In reference to your reply about the lying comment, Yes I understand that SMS believes it was at 99.9% I wasnt saying they outright lied to consumers, I just meant whether SMS knew it or not it ISNT 99.9% done and for guys like me who were super excited for this it was more than a little heartbreaking, and with heartbreak usually comes anger and a whole slew of other emotions. The WMD members Devs and Mods are all very proud of Pcars and very defensive of it, for good reason, when your that close and involved with a project like this its inevitable. All I was trying to get across was that guys like Jellibean have a right to be a little miffed, and I know you've acknowledged that.

That said, you said
(for part of the users, others apparently have no issues for whatever reason), but it should be clear that this was not SMS's intent in any way.
Im in a league with 16 other racers on XboxOne. Not ONE of us has NO issues. I dont have serious Game Breaking issues alot like screen tearing and bad FPS drops (although I do get them once in a while) but just in playing for a few hours on Xbox last night there are more than a few issues myself and friends experienced.
I know this isnt a bug report thread so I wont list them but I find it hard to believe some users have Zero issues, if that is true thats good news.

Keep up the hard work! Im Happy I have it to play even with the issues and I'm with Pcars for the long run! Looking forward to what the future brings for this awesome game!

Raven403
13-05-2015, 12:34
Perhaps we should be glad that at least someone answers you and tries to help, I know of some developer that still ignores the community on their problems two years after release. Not trying to be funny at you at all as I have a few frustrations myself, but I find assistance and feedback on issues on these forums way better than I'm used to on the dark side - and that's really no overstatement. We all holding thumbs that your issue and others are resolved or clarified soon.

You couldnt be more right. The Mods, Devs and WMD members have all been super helpful and responsive, compared to how Turn 10 dealed with its fanbase after that half game Forza 5 its not even on the same planet. I really like seeing that the Devs are all over the issues and have every confidence they will be fixed ASAP. Like I said before I'm with Pcars for the long haul. I love it. After all I bought it on two platforms.

Blackvault
13-05-2015, 12:34
You couldnt be more right. The Mods, Devs and WMD members have all been super helpful and responsive, compared to how Turn 10 dealed with its fanbase after that half game Forza 5 its not even on the same planet. I really like seeing that the Devs are all over the issues and have every confidence they will be fixed ASAP. Like I said before I'm with Pcars for the long haul. I love it. After all I bought it on two platforms.

Thanks for the kind words Raven :)

Pete