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Smt
17-05-2015, 09:46
Can't believe how many bugs there are in this game. I have been in the software development industry for over 25 years now and am amazed that this has been able to get out of the door.

I am one of the poor unfortunates who saw that project cars was on the horizon so blindly bought a ps4 for Christmas and pre-ordered the game. Didn't think twice about whether my gaming seat with Logitech g25 would be compatible.

After reading as many posts as I could find on the subject I'm still not any wiser of how this support issue will end up and the distinct lack of information coming out from the associated companies is even more frustrating. Is it a Sony, Logitech, Immersion, SMS issue? Haven't a clue.

Oh well I thought I will try and see how it plays on the controller. Frustrating to say the least. I know you can tweek the setup to improve matters but it appears that no effort has been made by the developers to at least provide an acceptable default.

I have encountered many of the bugs seen by others (crashes, double vision, irratic handling, loss of hud, etc). I thought it might just be the ps4 version, so coupled with my g25 issue, thought about building a gaming pc as my Mac-mini won't cut it. Managed to get the cost down to 440 (mITX with amd a10), but this is more that the thrustmaster 300 with pro pedals and the pc option will preclude future gt7

I am lucky in that I can afford to buy extra hardware, but still feel annoyed that I need to.

In a way it may be a blessing that the game is so buggy as I have decided not to play it until the major bugs and crashes are fixed and when that happens more info may come out about Logitech support or the thrustmaster price may have dropped a bit.

I so want to love this game and the experience of playing it, but at the moment it has been a bit of a disappointment. It was always annoying to wait for gran turismo games in the past but they were always worth the wait and never as buggy as this initial release of project cars.

bridga83
17-05-2015, 09:51
No, race pro was the buggiest game ever

tmitch45
17-05-2015, 11:30
I just wish people would hold their hand up and say actually this game does have more issues than we would like and we are doing everything we can to resolve them and a patch will be out on ...... Date. All this arguing and back biting by WMD members just fuels the fire as does removing locking threads.

With regards to Logitech wheels its so frustrating as I know a few people who have G27's and cannot afford to buy a PS4 and new Thrustmaster. Also with the talks on the web about the chance of PCARS supporting Logitech in the future they won't run the risk of wasting money until they know one way or the other. Whoever is to blame or in control of this people need to know whats happening as this must be affecting sales of the game? I know at least 5 people in this situation!

Please SMS/wmD people just need to know whats happening, press release anyone?

Umer Ahmad
17-05-2015, 11:46
Whoa whoa, i have never seen any SMS/WMD statment about logitech wheels on consoles. Thats totally out of SMS' control.

My G27 works brilliantly on my PC for project cars.

If these non-SMS companies can sort it out (big IF), then you would see the logitech wheels supported on consoles.

4L0M
17-05-2015, 11:49
Logitech G25,G27 and DFGT will most likely never be supported on PS4 in any game, which is slightly ironic as DFGT is the official wheel of Gran Turismo. I would love to be proven wrong though.

This is NO fault of SMS, there is not an awful lot they can do about it, even Driveclub doesn't support Logitech wheels and that is a first party Sony studios release.

You can place the blame firmly at the feet of SONY for money grabbing and signing an exclusive license with Thrustmaster and I presume a small license with fanatec. Logitech aren't even making wheels anymore I'm afraid.

It sucks as I own a G27 too, but if you want the situation to change, then moaning in the official Sony PS4 forum might be a better idea.

As for the Gran Turismo comment, GT5 was very buggy when it was released and basically took 2 years of massive patches to fix it.

Mr.Smoke
17-05-2015, 12:06
No, race pro was the buggiest game ever

Wrong. Grand Theft Auto V is the buggiest game ever.

bent_toe
17-05-2015, 12:21
Sell the wheel and buy thrustmaster, atleast it will work for all future ps4 racing games.

tehbro
17-05-2015, 12:23
I become really careful buying games Day1 as this happens pretty often, but I was saying myself, "hey, the game has been 'out' and tested by a lot of WMD members for a while, it can't be that buggy" - WRONG. It's in terrible state as of now on PS4 and its nearly unplayable with T500RS, which is by the way one of the supported wheels. Racing itself is awesome, cars handle pretty nice and ONCE the bugs goes out of the way it will be pretty good fix for many people before GT7 comes out. But right now, I just hooked up PS3, bought GT6 digitally and having a blast! I just hope they manage to roll out a patch or two within a month to fix most of the bugs.

user-name
17-05-2015, 12:24
Wrong. Grand Theft Auto V is the buggiest game ever.

Wrong too. Earth Defense Force: Insect Armageddon is the 'buggiest' game ever! lol..
/humour

tmitch45
17-05-2015, 12:45
Whoa whoa, i have never seen any SMS/WMD statment about logitech wheels on consoles. Thats totally out of SMS' control.

My G27 works brilliantly on my PC for project cars.

If these non-SMS companies can sort it out (big IF), then you would see the logitech wheels supported on consoles.

Actually your right it was in fact Andy Tudor (Top man at SMS) who made the comment on a recent interview. When asked about compatibility of the G25 and 27 he said "our wheel list is not final so please hang in there", he went on to say "we have the answer but cannot say yet". Its not clear if he is referring to PS4 and XBONE or pC but you can see this is yet more frustration. If you have a ps4 and G27 your a little in limbo at the moment.

Umer Ahmad
17-05-2015, 12:49
Ian Bell is Top Man at SMS.

Agree, i would not want to own both a ps4 and g27 today.

kalbo777
17-05-2015, 13:33
Ian Bell is Top Man at SMS.

Agree, i would not want to own both a ps4 and g27 today.

I'm one of those people, spent today trying to get the settings right on the controller but it's not the same as a wheel! My Playseat and G27 sitting idle while I try and setup the CronusMAX configurations so that I can use the G27 with Project Cars. It's killing me not being able to drive using my G27

Snake OilerX
17-05-2015, 13:42
its not that buggy,its awesome!,best game i ever played and i have played them all,yeah it still needs some work,but that will come..this is what NFS shift should of been,but we all know EA was involved with that,and EA always wants arcade user friendly games..my hats off to all the great ppl who made Project cars,thanks so much!!! Love it!!!

LordDRIFT
17-05-2015, 14:20
its not that buggy,its awesome!,best game i ever played and i have played them all,yeah it still needs some work,but that will come..this is what NFS shift should of been,but we all know EA was involved with that,and EA always wants arcade user friendly games..my hats off to all the great ppl who made Project cars,thanks so much!!! Love it!!!

Your user name says it all.

madmax2069
17-05-2015, 14:43
You can place the blame firmly at the feet of SONY for money grabbing and signing an exclusive license with Thrustmaster and I presume a small license with fanatec. Logitech aren't even making wheels anymore I'm afraid.

It sucks as I own a G27 too, but if you want the situation to change, then moaning in the official Sony PS4 forum might be a better idea.

No, just no.

You cant blame SONY for signing a deal with thrustmaster because Logitech was dropping support for consoles.

Dreco
17-05-2015, 14:51
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Jervillian
17-05-2015, 15:17
I've only ever played PS3/PS4 race games (mostly the GT series) with a controller, and initially found Project Cars near undriveable no matter what set-ups I played with. Then I found this page and changed the controller settings to exactly what's listed here, and it was an absolute game-changer (literally): http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=439605295

Since then I can get every car 'tamed' by changing the settings (mostly softening the back end), even to the point of consistently setting 1:54-1:56s laps at Snetterton 300 with a Group 5 Capri, which previously I couldn't even keep pointing forward.

Hope it helps. It's turned what was feeling like a massive disappointment into one of the best controller driving experiences ever. The nuance and balance you can get in pCars is way better than GT5/6 once the settings are sorted. I'm also able to race on Pro handling with all assist off, even traction control which is a first for controller for me.

For me the most annoying bugs are to do with set-ups randomly changing on cars. I was racing the UK Road Cup in a Caterham 7 Classic, and if I spent ages tuning the car to get it just right, then reverted back to the pits it would reset settings to some strange default and I'd have to manually go back in and correct it by memory. Frustrating!

jgaganas
17-05-2015, 15:25
Coming from RIDE/MotoGP14, i'm probably not as shocked about bugs (in otherwise pretty good games)... Difference is, Milestone doesn't really seem to care about fixing any of them (next MotoGP15 is coming up in June) :P

For sure i'm baffled by the amount issues, though having a pretty large amount of alpha/beta testers available!?

Pink_650S
17-05-2015, 15:38
Funny how the thread creator asks "Is this the buggiest game ever?" and then mostly talks about wasted money and his wheel. It has bugs, indeed, but none that are breaking the game.
Before you make such a statement you should check your facts. I guess you never heard of something like DriveClub, Battlefield 4 or Assassins Creed Unity. THOSE games were unplayable at launch.

mantukas334
17-05-2015, 15:39
wow, i cant believe how this game is beeing threated so far. i havent found anything dealbraking, but from what ive seen, everybody is looking for something manor just to bark about it. its like you would play farcry and "omg this tree is so unnatural, totaly fake tree, give me my money back"
everyone is thinking new features like it could happen with no time and effort. when 5 guys in top 10 in community events are with controllers, you dont tell me that its undrivible with controller. i love the game, peace

David McKenna
17-05-2015, 16:00
Buggiest game ever lol, not by a long chalk...I'd say one of the least buggiest.

dvc
17-05-2015, 17:03
Can't believe how many bugs there are in this game. I have been in the software development industry for over 25 years now and am amazed that this has been able to get out of the door.

I am one of the poor unfortunates who saw that project cars was on the horizon so blindly bought a ps4 for Christmas and pre-ordered the game. Didn't think twice about whether my gaming seat with Logitech g25 would be compatible.

After reading as many posts as I could find on the subject I'm still not any wiser of how this support issue will end up and the distinct lack of information coming out from the associated companies is even more frustrating. Is it a Sony, Logitech, Immersion, SMS issue? Haven't a clue.

Oh well I thought I will try and see how it plays on the controller. Frustrating to say the least. I know you can tweek the setup to improve matters but it appears that no effort has been made by the developers to at least provide an acceptable default.

I have encountered many of the bugs seen by others (crashes, double vision, irratic handling, loss of hud, etc). I thought it might just be the ps4 version, so coupled with my g25 issue, thought about building a gaming pc as my Mac-mini won't cut it. Managed to get the cost down to 440 (mITX with amd a10), but this is more that the thrustmaster 300 with pro pedals and the pc option will preclude future gt7

I am lucky in that I can afford to buy extra hardware, but still feel annoyed that I need to.

In a way it may be a blessing that the game is so buggy as I have decided not to play it until the major bugs and crashes are fixed and when that happens more info may come out about Logitech support or the thrustmaster price may have dropped a bit.

I so want to love this game and the experience of playing it, but at the moment it has been a bit of a disappointment. It was always annoying to wait for gran turismo games in the past but they were always worth the wait and never as buggy as this initial release of project cars.

Im sorry but you sound like cheap games reviewer. Not software development expert.
Considering this is your only post in this forum...

KK78
17-05-2015, 17:31
It's got plenty of bugs, as most games do on launch nowadays. People need a little balance, yes there are bugs in it (sound issues, not saving laps/times, glitching out, the odd game crash, weird flags and your engineer coming on at the wrong times, some obvious omissions from the menus and the piss poor information on setting cars up and controller settings) BUT it is far from unplayable, far from broken and very very far from been as buggy as some other games out there.

Skeme_DBT
17-05-2015, 19:12
Its got quite a few bugs, yes. But none of them are game-breaking, and Im sure the next patch will fix most of them.

4L0M
17-05-2015, 19:46
You CAN blame Sony for hindering the use of perfectly functioning peripherals.

If the argument that new peripherals need a "security chip" to function on PS4, how come some fighting sticks and the NON security chipped trs500 manage to work?

blacknred81
17-05-2015, 21:40
Must of never played NASCAR The Game 2011 or NASCAR '14 :P

IrideGravity
17-05-2015, 22:13
No, just no.

You cant blame SONY for signing a deal with thrustmaster because Logitech was dropping support for consoles.

Oh yes I can. Sony could easily pay Logitech for a patch for equipment less than a year and a half old to ps 4 buyers, but they won't. Need new license money off those thrust masters. They allow the players to get burned by greed. Plain & simple. My DFGT worked from ps2 to ps3 with no patch needed. Periphial devices speak a language I imagine is not much different than midi. Simple input devices. The only reason it won't work is because it's been carefully omitted. I understand Logitech is moving on, but it's likely because being beholden to bastards like sony for license fees isn't profitable as they thought. Better to handle their own.
We could watch sony do the same thing to thrustmaster in a decade, but a modular/upgrade able steam box is going to kill consoles before that & we will all be on the PC wagon then.
And gta5 is the buggiest game most of us have actually played.

IrideGravity
17-05-2015, 22:22
Its got quite a few bugs, yes. But none of them are game-braking, and Im sure the next patch will fix most of them.

Felt pretty broken last night when I backed out of lobby, because I had to if I wanted to calibrate my wheel. No option for that while in lobby. Got the invite back, but when I came back, the room was broken for me and couldn't drive. Was at lobby, but couldn't join them on track. These are game breaking bugs. My son has had races where the audio is missing. That's a GranTurismo bug too, but equally unacceptable and broken. Not to mention at least two straight up error crashes.
Lol. I'm sure there's more than a handful of bugs that break the game beyond the three I stated.

IrideGravity
17-05-2015, 22:28
Im sorry but you sound like cheap games reviewer. Not software development expert.
Considering this is your only post in this forum...

Nooooooooooooo. Nooooooot this kind of forum. Pleeeeeeaaaassssseee

Edited note: as if there's another kind. ;(

ChrisK
17-05-2015, 23:17
Can't believe how many whiners are out there.

The game has some bugs, some are very frustrating?..I get it. Mind you they are NOTHING in comparison to Sony PSN issues. If these bugs weren't fixed 3 or 4 months after release then sure, I get the animosity, but not after a few weeks. Ps4 finally gets a sim racer with great tracks and awesome car variety, as opposed to just the modern cars and same old tracks, and all I see from most people is whining like spoilt children.

I've been part of a PCars racing community for the past few days made up of people I met online interested in great racing and chat and have never had more fun or a more gratifying racing experience on console.

Get over yourselves and grow the f@ck up.

IrideGravity
17-05-2015, 23:30
Can't believe how many whiners are out there.

The game has some bugs, some are very frustrating?..I get it. Mind you they are NOTHING in comparison to Sony PSN issues. If these bugs weren't fixed 3 or 4 months after release then sure, I get the animosity, but not after a few weeks. Ps4 finally gets a sim racer with great tracks and awesome car variety, as opposed to just the modern cars and same old tracks, and all I see from most people is whining like spoilt children.

I've been part of a PCars racing community for the past few days made up of people I met online interested in great racing and chat and have never had more fun or a more gratifying racing experience on console.

Get over yourselves and grow the f@ck up.

Well at least the turn coats are outing themselves.
The only thing more annoying than whining, is whining about whining
I get that a perception of support needs to be maintained, but this is as transparent as ever.
Just save it.

LordDRIFT
18-05-2015, 01:04
I must say even with all the issues my ps4 has never seen such mileage since I've owned it. I've been playing this game non stop and had numerous "no way!!" Moments. Like blowing the motor in the Pagani race , I guess from riding the limiter in the corners; or driving the group 5 escort for the first time, or being blinded by a low setting sun. No denying that this is the best racer out there.. at least for the ps4. If they can address the ghosting, wheel support/functionality, refine the interface and slow down the AI when it rains I'll be mostly happy.

ChrisK
18-05-2015, 04:35
Well at least the turn coats are outing themselves.
The only thing more annoying than whining, is whining about whining
I get that a perception of support needs to be maintained, but this is as transparent as ever.
Just save it.

lol so whining about whining about whining is even worse then by your juvenile logic ?

Andario
18-05-2015, 05:04
The two buggiest fun killer for me:
The AI drives in the rain like in the sun. Same laptimes etc. For the moment the carrere is unplayable whe there is rain!
Another think is my t300rs lost connection and i have to reconnect tge usb jack. If this happends i have to reconnect it after every session, because it will calbriate wrong after race.
PS4

TenthDan
18-05-2015, 05:19
lol so whining about whining about whining is even worse then by your juvenile logic ?

Fair point, but do it without the insults.

Everyone is free to have positive and negative opinions, but please refrain from dismissing others' opinions and throwing around insults, it doesn't create productive conversation.

Marcd23
18-05-2015, 07:15
There are bugs in this game that need ironing out yes. But it's not breaking the game for me just yet. Or I ain't seen anything thats ruining the game for me just yet.

But I have got to say that SMS are almost absent. They need to be communicating. Letting us know that they have/are taking notes. But instead. They seem to have gone quite. Or from what I'm seeing anyway. The Forum admin are posting left right and centre but I ain't seen the devs.