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robwdavies
17-05-2015, 15:30
I've tried, I really have.

I've lost count of the number of reinstalls I've tried to get this thing working properly. Similarly the number of workarounds I've employed to try and get this game (let's not forget, a full price game) to work in even a half acceptable manner.

I thought the game had convinced me, a few successful Formula Rookie championships in Career mode had given me hope that I could stick with the game, but having com out of my career and tried a few one off events I'm back to square one.

A one-off race weekend using Mark I Escorts caused the first problems. It's a car I've actually driven (at reasonable pace) in real life, it should not feel like skating around on ice. It should not require wrestling around a track with 100% accuracy to prevent it careering off into a wall. Whereas some of the cars are well-sorted (Formula Rookie and Formula Gulf) others are just plain broken.

Next up a time-trial on an empty Snetterton, on a clear day in a Pagani Zonda R. It was unplayable. A hyper-sensitive car combined with slideshow-esque framerate and faultering sound made any success or failure sheer luck. Not an enjoyable experience.

My frustration has been increased by the attitude taken towards these numerous shortcomings in the community. It's a short of resigned acceptance of the issues, a 'what did you expect from a new game' viewpoint. Having played videogames for around 30 years, this is the buggiest game I have experienced in a long time. We shouldn't expect these sort of issues in new games, not this many and not this significant.

We shouldn't have to jump through hoops just to get the game to load and not crash.

We shouldn't have to tinker for hours with control settings in order to get a car around a track in one piece.

We shouldn't have to disable force feedback to get audio whilst braking.

We shouldn't have to put up with broken car models that refuse to stay on the track.

We shouldn't have to put up with shocking framerate issues.

We shouldn't have to ignore great chunks of the game because they are unplayable.

At it's core there is a good game here, a decent sim, but it's wrapped up in a big buggy mess at the moment. The die-hards will no doubt continue sneering at the likes of GT and Forza as unrealistic and arcade, but at least they allow you to take the car of you choice around the track of your choice without having to carefully prep your Xbox, compromise on the options you choose, then battle through control and framerate issues. Whatever beef you have with those game, at this stage they re a better representation of driving and racing because real driving and racing doesn't have the sort of issues a number of people are experiencing with Project Cars.

I'd love it to be sorted, and if it ever gets to that point I may well return. But until then I shall be returning this game for a refund.

cplzell
17-05-2015, 15:52
i dont se all this problems....maybe your console is broken?? :cool: really, i see some bugs to fix, but i can play very good with this great game right now....after one or two patch will be even better

robwdavies
17-05-2015, 15:55
Maybe my console is broken? Really? So all the other games that play perfectly on it? What's the reason for that?

Pirategenius
17-05-2015, 15:57
I too have raced MK1 escorts and other saloon cars. The escort is a handful in game in cold tires. But you seem to forget that the escort has a live rear axel. And the quickest way to drive it is 4 wheel drift the corners.
Not trying to be funny here but if you'd actually driven one you'd know this

robwdavies
17-05-2015, 15:59
I too have raced MK1 escorts and other saloon cars. The escort is a handful in game in cold tires. But you seem to forget that the escort has a live rear axel. And the quickest way to drive it is 4 wheel drift the corners.
Not trying to be funny here but if you'd actually driven one you'd know this

So I'm a liar? Well done you.

Generic sweeping statement to undermine my position and defend the broken mess of a game.

WMD_ols
17-05-2015, 16:00
It is quite apparent that there are a more than a few problems with the XBOX ONE version of the game. These are quite exhaustively documented in the many, many threads that seem to fill this sub-forum. Instead of posting another rant, did you not consider using your energy to read through the other issues and patch updates to see when they would be fixed?

No?

Didn't think so.

As many of the WMD guys have already said. If you aren't going to combust, wait for MS to ship the first patch and you will see some improvement. If you are going to combust, get a refund. God help you when you actually encounter a REAL problem in life.

Those who have eyes and a mind (who have read through the other threads) will know that a patch is currently with Microsoft and pending release. It is out of the developers hands and very much with Microsoft. If you have an issue, get on the phone to Microsoft. Stop littering this forum with the same stupid rants posted a billion times beforehand.

Yours sincerely,

Another frustrated gamer, but choosing not to throw his own weight around like a child.

Pirategenius
17-05-2015, 16:03
So I'm a liar? Well done you.

actually I never called you a liar and never meant to imply you were lying. Just saying from my experience in the MK1 that's all. To be honest the MK2 and 3 are the same you need to drift the corners to be quick.

Are you using a wheel or controller? As you may need to play with settings.

o Mike V o
17-05-2015, 16:05
how many crying threads do we need to have on this forum?

robwdavies
17-05-2015, 16:06
It is quite apparent that there are a more than a few problems with the XBOX ONE version of the game. These are quite exhaustively documented in the many, many threads that seem to fill this sub-forum. Instead of posting another rant, did you not consider using your energy to read through the other issues and patch updates to see when they would be fixed?

No?

Didn't think so.

As many of the WMD guys have already said. If you aren't going to combust, wait for MS to ship the first patch and you will see some improvement. If you are going to combust, get a refund. God help you when you actually encounter a REAL problem in life.

Those who have eyes and a mind (who have read through the other threads) will know that a patch is currently with Microsoft and pending release. It is out of the developers hands and very much with Microsoft. If you have an issue, get on the phone to Microsoft. Stop littering this forum with the same stupid rants posted a billion times beforehand.

Yours sincerely,

Another frustrated gamer, but choosing not to throw his own weight around like a child.

Exactly the kind of patronising shit I expected, written exactly like a Daily Mail letter to the Editor.

Not 'throwing my weight around like a child' just tired of the apologists on here defending a broken game.

I'm sorry that for me 44 was a lot of money. I'm sorry that despite saying they would refund it, Tesco are now refusing to play ball.

And please don't try and lecture me about 'real' problems in life. You don't know me and have fuck all clue what you're talking about.

robwdavies
17-05-2015, 16:07
how many crying threads do we need to have on this forum?

I don't know? As many as it takes to fix the game?

Just exercising my right.

robwdavies
17-05-2015, 16:09
Controller. Can't really afford a wheel.

I've tried lots of different control set-ups but again this is part of the problem. Tweaking control settings should be about finding the sweet spot, shaving a few tenths here and there. Not trying to find the needle in a haystack that is a setting which makes it possible to do a clean lap without the sense that it was just good luck you got around.

Beamin
17-05-2015, 16:10
actually I never called you a liar and never meant to imply you were lying. Just saying from my experience in the MK1 that's all. To be honest the MK2 and 3 are the same you need to drift the corners to be quick.

Are you using a wheel or controller? As you may need to play with settings.

You did, though.. Jesus, what is it with some of you? "If you'd actually driven one you would know this" So, if his driving style varies from yours, he is lying about owning and driving a car? Get a grip.

robwdavies
17-05-2015, 16:10
You did, though.. Jesus, what is it with some of you? "If you'd actually driven one you would know this" So, if his driving style varies from yours, he is lying about owning and driving a car? Get a grip.

Good point.

Beamin
17-05-2015, 16:12
Controller. Can't really afford a wheel.

I've tried lots of different control set-ups but again this is part of the problem. Tweaking control settings should be about finding the sweet spot, shaving a few tenths here and there. Not trying to find the needle in a haystack that is a setting which makes it possible to do a clean lap without the sense that it was just good luck you got around.

YES. Nailed it. I am glad I'm not the only one seeing the light, here.

Pirategenius
17-05-2015, 16:15
Tesco are within their right not to refund as the disk works. There are a few niggling problems that are apparent but they are/will be fixed. I can not rember a game in the last 15 years that has never needed patching at some point.
Stick with it and you will have fun in game. It's a sim not need for speed

robwdavies
17-05-2015, 16:21
YES. Nailed it. I am glad I'm not the only one seeing the light, here.

I think this s the crux of my issue with the game.

I realise it's a sim and that as a result to get the quickest times some time and effort must be spent setting your car up. That doesn't mean that without the time in set-up (and in setting controls, an in installing the gam in the first place), the vehicle should be a mess to control, that's if the framerate and other bugs even let you do a lap.

Formula Rookie and Gulf are a good example of this. They handle well, you can do a respectable lap, then you can tweak to get it just right. The Renaultsport Clio on the other hand? A car I have owned, is a total mess. As is the mark I Escort, a car I have driven. That's before we even get to the Karts (a major selling point of this game). It's this inconsistency in car models that I'm finding really frustrating, combined with all the other technical issues

I've played a number of racing games, some arcadey, some sim, but this is the first time I've felt a clean lap is as much to do with luck as it is my input.

Don't get me wrong, when Project Cars is working ok it shows real promise, but you know you're only a few minutes away from some glitch or bug throwing it all away.

robwdavies
17-05-2015, 16:22
Tesco are within their right not to refund as the disk works. There are a few niggling problems that are apparent but they are/will be fixed. I can not rember a game in the last 15 years that has never needed patching at some point.
Stick with it and you will have fun in game. It's a sim not need for speed

Again a lazy, patronising, egotistical answer. I'm well aware it's not Need For Speed, the box gave that away. I'm not sure how my expectations/abilities are to blame for the many issues this game has.

Umer Ahmad
17-05-2015, 17:11
Gentlemen please, there is no need to jump on a guy for voicing some frustrations. Just please remain silent if you cannot help.

rob: sorry to hear about the issues. If you cannot get a refund and he known work-arounds are not cutting it then please put the game down for a week or so and perhaps revisit when the patch is available. It will directly address the control issues that seem to be plaguing your experience. With a proper functioning controller project cars is not difficult to play really, gamepad players are on the leaderboard so you dont have to take my word for it, the evidence is there.

Pirategenius
17-05-2015, 17:13
You did, though.. Jesus, what is it with some of you? "If you'd actually driven one you would know this" So, if his driving style varies from yours, he is lying about owning and driving a car? Get a grip.

Where in my post are the words liar??????? The MK1 Escort is a 70's car it has 60's technology it need to 4 wheel drift through corners. Anyone who has raced this car knows this. Yes his racing style may be different from mine. As mine is different from Jim Clarke, Grahame Hill, James Hunt etc.
You obviously know nothing about real cars and how they are meant to be driven quickly.

robwdavies
17-05-2015, 17:25
Where in my post are the words liar??????? The MK1 Escort is a 70's car it has 60's technology it need to 4 wheel drift through corners. Anyone who has raced this car knows this. Yes his racing style may be different from mine. As mine is different from Jim Clarke, Grahame Hill, James Hunt etc.
You obviously know nothing about real cars and how they are meant to be driven quickly.

You know you don't have to say the word liar to pretty clearly imply it right?

ashasha
17-05-2015, 17:31
If someone buys a game they are already invested. I don't get the pack mentality where any dissenters have to be eaten alive or they'll contaminate the herd.

If someone comes onto a forum and takes the time to list the problems they have they are accomplishing two things. 1. They are venting their frustrations which is a cathartic thing. 2. They are making the issues known to the developers who in my opinion didn't know because if they did that means they knowingly released an inferior product.

My point is that just because someone rants doesn't mean anything more than that they are having problems and are upset about it. They aren't going to come into your house and take your game away. And only a sociopath would start a class action lawsuit over some bugs in a game. If they weren't invested so heavily they wouldn't be so upset about it. No one complains about things that they don't care about. Is that whiny? Is it over the top? Sometimes, but there is usually something under the surface, especially when we have report after report of problems. It's not unwarranted if it's true.

But what happens is that the deniers and apologists come in to defend the product as if anything negative would offend the people who made the product and they'll get mad and won't fix it. I can understand the desire to be supportive, but what really happens is that the guy who just had this release of frustration is then attacked and re-aggravated. You don't need to poke an angry bear after he's done mauling the town. And by saying that those things that he is ranting about are not true accomplish two things...it diminishes your objectivity and questions his integrity. Basically you are sitting there with a big old kool-aid stain on your face calling the guy a liar. Then we basically have the troops rally, choose sides and the personal attacks begin.

If there were no problems the developers would not be working around the clock to get patches out. If there were no problems we wouldn't have bug threads from top to bottom of the first page of almost every forum section. To say otherwise is just incorrect and provides absolutely zero value to the conversation. Now if someone came in and said "yeah, I had that problem and this is what I did to fix it" that would be one thing, but that's not what is happening in most of these threads.

Basically if someone starts a thread that is filled with ranting and raving about problems and you have no solution to offer just let it drop off the first page by saying nothing. By replying you just bring it right back to the top and get the guy all worked up over again. Do that to 100 threads and you end up creating subcultures of hostility and nothing productive is done and it basically ruins the community.

morphee7
17-05-2015, 17:36
I think this s the crux of my issue with the game.

I realise it's a sim and that as a result to get the quickest times some time and effort must be spent setting your car up. That doesn't mean that without the time in set-up (and in setting controls, an in installing the gam in the first place), the vehicle should be a mess to control, that's if the framerate and other bugs even let you do a lap.

Formula Rookie and Gulf are a good example of this. They handle well, you can do a respectable lap, then you can tweak to get it just right. The Renaultsport Clio on the other hand? A car I have owned, is a total mess. As is the mark I Escort, a car I have driven. That's before we even get to the Karts (a major selling point of this game). It's this inconsistency in car models that I'm finding really frustrating, combined with all the other technical issues

I've played a number of racing games, some arcadey, some sim, but this is the first time I've felt a clean lap is as much to do with luck as it is my input.

Don't get me wrong, when Project Cars is working ok it shows real promise, but you know you're only a few minutes away from some glitch or bug throwing it all away.

i really do feel for you on this matter as there is MANY issues for example one of many of mine is the tire wear on the xb1 and overheating tires the left front always overheats by the end of the first lap and no tire wear on any tires even with x7 tire wear after doing 30 laps in a aston martin v12 gt3 the list is far too long to mention all the faults ive encountered and tuning does nothing to help over heating tires personally i think the game needs a total rebuild for the xb1

Beamin
17-05-2015, 23:08
i really do feel for you on this matter as there is MANY issues for example one of many of mine is the tire wear on the xb1 and overheating tires the left front always overheats by the end of the first lap and no tire wear on any tires even with x7 tire wear after doing 30 laps in a aston martin v12 gt3 the list is far too long to mention all the faults ive encountered and tuning does nothing to help over heating tires personally i think the game needs a total rebuild for the xb1

Yepp, another issue, I too, have noticed. I am discovering how much I was letting slip by at first.

SuperTidosho
17-05-2015, 23:34
Why do everyone here seem to think that a GAME should be able to accurately emulate physical cars in a physical world with real physics? It is NEVER going to happen 100%, no matter how good technology gets. If you're that bothered, go and razz your Dad's Corsa around Donington. I regularly take my girlfriend's Impreza WRX STi round there, NO video game has ever been able to compete in all my 24 years of gaming.

I know there's bugs, I really do, I've put my game away for a while until it's sorted, but get your expectations straight to reality! Project CARS is being developed on a MUCH smaller budget than Forza or even Gran Turismo, and they have their massive faults, they just don't feel realistic any more, but hey, life and video games are two massively separate things, no matter how expensive your setup and wheel/pedals. It's a massive adrenaline rush playing Project CARS though, at least I don't have to worry about damaging my lady's car playing it :)

Let's not get at each other's throats. We all love cars, let's keep it that way and stay friendly, but be realistic :)

Beamin
17-05-2015, 23:47
Why do everyone here seem to think that a GAME should be able to accurately emulate physical cars in a physical world with real physics? It is NEVER going to happen 100%, no matter how good technology gets. If you're that bothered, go and razz your Dad's Corsa around Donington. I regularly take my girlfriend's Impreza WRX STi round there, NO video game has ever been able to compete in all my 24 years of gaming.

I know there's bugs, I really do, I've put my game away for a while until it's sorted, but get your expectations straight to reality! Project CARS is being developed on a MUCH smaller budget than Forza or even Gran Turismo, and they have their massive faults, they just don't feel realistic any more, but hey, life and video games are two massively separate things, no matter how expensive your setup and wheel/pedals. It's a massive adrenaline rush playing Project CARS though, at least I don't have to worry about damaging my lady's car playing it :)

Let's not get at each other's throats. We all love cars, let's keep it that way and stay friendly, but be realistic :)

I have read almost every post in the past week and I have to say that almost every post regarding the problems in this game have been intelligently written and aren't asking for leaderboard times around a track. The problems lie in simple playability.

ELAhrairah
17-05-2015, 23:54
Why do everyone here seem to think that a GAME should be able to accurately emulate physical cars in a physical world with real physics? It is NEVER going to happen 100%, no matter how good technology gets. If you're that bothered, go and razz your Dad's Corsa around Donington. I regularly take my girlfriend's Impreza WRX STi round there, NO video game has ever been able to compete in all my 24 years of gaming.

I know there's bugs, I really do, I've put my game away for a while until it's sorted, but get your expectations straight to reality! Project CARS is being developed on a MUCH smaller budget than Forza or even Gran Turismo, and they have their massive faults, they just don't feel realistic any more, but hey, life and video games are two massively separate things, no matter how expensive your setup and wheel/pedals. It's a massive adrenaline rush playing Project CARS though, at least I don't have to worry about damaging my lady's car playing it :)

Let's not get at each other's throats. We all love cars, let's keep it that way and stay friendly, but be realistic :)


This game has way to many bugs.

- a to complex ffb calibration model and a standard out of the box ffb that is too weak and unrealistic

- to many hard and software errors. GPUs not functioning correct with the game. CPUs shutting down, blue screen of death...

- an insult to any AMD Card owners...really they have been dumped by the developers..I have a geforce and intel chipset so I wasn't . But still I feel for those people.

- to many bugs in the gameplay, corners can be cut online (chicane's). people win by cheating..

- and many many more issues...

I am saying this politely after having to calibrate the ffb settings of my wheel since the day this game launched and only today I came 1 step closer to having the game just on the level of being playable.
I do see this game as a rough diamond though, that I do agree with. It has much potential but the mistake the devs made is when they decided to go cross platform. They should have focused on consoles or on pc...it is like we have the worst of both worlds at the moment ..

Still the game has potential...it has... It's like a lazy but very intelligent son and you are the dad...one day he will wake up ...one day... ;)

Beagle Five
18-05-2015, 00:25
If someone buys a game they are already invested. I don't get the pack mentality where any dissenters have to be eaten alive or they'll contaminate the herd.

If someone comes onto a forum and takes the time to list the problems they have they are accomplishing two things. 1. They are venting their frustrations which is a cathartic thing. 2. They are making the issues known to the developers who in my opinion didn't know because if they did that means they knowingly released an inferior product.

My point is that just because someone rants doesn't mean anything more than that they are having problems and are upset about it. They aren't going to come into your house and take your game away. And only a sociopath would start a class action lawsuit over some bugs in a game. If they weren't invested so heavily they wouldn't be so upset about it. No one complains about things that they don't care about. Is that whiny? Is it over the top? Sometimes, but there is usually something under the surface, especially when we have report after report of problems. It's not unwarranted if it's true.

But what happens is that the deniers and apologists come in to defend the product as if anything negative would offend the people who made the product and they'll get mad and won't fix it. I can understand the desire to be supportive, but what really happens is that the guy who just had this release of frustration is then attacked and re-aggravated. You don't need to poke an angry bear after he's done mauling the town. And by saying that those things that he is ranting about are not true accomplish two things...it diminishes your objectivity and questions his integrity. Basically you are sitting there with a big old kool-aid stain on your face calling the guy a liar. Then we basically have the troops rally, choose sides and the personal attacks begin.

If there were no problems the developers would not be working around the clock to get patches out. If there were no problems we wouldn't have bug threads from top to bottom of the first page of almost every forum section. To say otherwise is just incorrect and provides absolutely zero value to the conversation. Now if someone came in and said "yeah, I had that problem and this is what I did to fix it" that would be one thing, but that's not what is happening in most of these threads.

Basically if someone starts a thread that is filled with ranting and raving about problems and you have no solution to offer just let it drop off the first page by saying nothing. By replying you just bring it right back to the top and get the guy all worked up over again. Do that to 100 threads and you end up creating subcultures of hostility and nothing productive is done and it basically ruins the community.

Post of the year right there!
Man if I had a company I would hire you right on the spot!
You set a benchmark for us to try and follow!

Beamin
18-05-2015, 00:53
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If someone buys a game they are already invested. I don't get the pack mentality where any dissenters have to be eaten alive or they'll contaminate the herd.

If someone comes onto a forum and takes the time to list the problems they have they are accomplishing two things. 1. They are venting their frustrations which is a cathartic thing. 2. They are making the issues known to the developers who in my opinion didn't know because if they did that means they knowingly released an inferior product.

My point is that just because someone rants doesn't mean anything more than that they are having problems and are upset about it. They aren't going to come into your house and take your game away. And only a sociopath would start a class action lawsuit over some bugs in a game. If they weren't invested so heavily they wouldn't be so upset about it. No one complains about things that they don't care about. Is that whiny? Is it over the top? Sometimes, but there is usually something under the surface, especially when we have report after report of problems. It's not unwarranted if it's true.

But what happens is that the deniers and apologists come in to defend the product as if anything negative would offend the people who made the product and they'll get mad and won't fix it. I can understand the desire to be supportive, but what really happens is that the guy who just had this release of frustration is then attacked and re-aggravated. You don't need to poke an angry bear after he's done mauling the town. And by saying that those things that he is ranting about are not true accomplish two things...it diminishes your objectivity and questions his integrity. Basically you are sitting there with a big old kool-aid stain on your face calling the guy a liar. Then we basically have the troops rally, choose sides and the personal attacks begin.

If there were no problems the developers would not be working around the clock to get patches out. If there were no problems we wouldn't have bug threads from top to bottom of the first page of almost every forum section. To say otherwise is just incorrect and provides absolutely zero value to the conversation. Now if someone came in and said "yeah, I had that problem and this is what I did to fix it" that would be one thing, but that's not what is happening in most of these threads.

Basically if someone starts a thread that is filled with ranting and raving about problems and you have no solution to offer just let it drop off the first page by saying nothing. By replying you just bring it right back to the top and get the guy all worked up over again. Do that to 100 threads and you end up creating subcultures of hostility and nothing productive is done and it basically ruins the community.

You can approach this from any angle you want. It doesn't hide the fact that we bought a game that was very obviously pushed through to meet a deadline. I can speak rationally, philosophically and positive until I'm blue in the face, but in the end, we have a game that should not have been released. If I had a company that produced video-games; there is no way I would allow a game that plays like Project CARS on the Xbox 1 to be released. Be it that I have higher standards, respect for other people's hard earned money or just that I wouldn't feel comfortable putting my name on it.

I will personally bump threads that exhibit truth so that others coming to the forum know that they aren't the only ones having trouble.

TrevorAustin
18-05-2015, 01:12
Why do everyone here seem to think that a GAME should be able to accurately emulate physical cars in a physical world with real physics? It is NEVER going to happen 100%, no matter how good technology gets. If you're that bothered, go and razz your Dad's Corsa around Donington. I regularly take my girlfriend's Impreza WRX STi round there, NO video game has ever been able to compete in all my 24 years of gaming.

I know there's bugs, I really do, I've put my game away for a while until it's sorted, but get your expectations straight to reality! Project CARS is being developed on a MUCH smaller budget than Forza or even Gran Turismo, and they have their massive faults, they just don't feel realistic any more, but hey, life and video games are two massively separate things, no matter how expensive your setup and wheel/pedals. It's a massive adrenaline rush playing Project CARS though, at least I don't have to worry about damaging my lady's car playing it :)

Let's not get at each other's throats. We all love cars, let's keep it that way and stay friendly, but be realistic :)

Becahse that's how it was marketed, they didnt say it will only be as good as the budget allows, they said it would be the best. As have akl the carefully leaked videos of the non beta, sonehow NONE of them used amd video cards i guess. So corber shop budget maybe, but wall street marketing without a doubt.

nissan4ever
18-05-2015, 01:18
People voicing there dislike for the game need to wait for the first patch & see where the game is at. It looks like the controller issues will be fixed based off of the patch notes. Plus the sound will be fixed along with a 6-7% performance increase of the game.

Just give it time. From what I've experienced with the TX, this game is amazing. I'd hate for people to miss out. Give SMS time to release a patch or 2. Hang in there.

bkfount
18-05-2015, 01:32
I think this s the crux of my issue with the game.

I realise it's a sim and that as a result to get the quickest times some time and effort must be spent setting your car up. That doesn't mean that without the time in set-up (and in setting controls, an in installing the gam in the first place), the vehicle should be a mess to control, that's if the framerate and other bugs even let you do a lap.

Formula Rookie and Gulf are a good example of this. They handle well, you can do a respectable lap, then you can tweak to get it just right. The Renaultsport Clio on the other hand? A car I have owned, is a total mess. As is the mark I Escort, a car I have driven. That's before we even get to the Karts (a major selling point of this game). It's this inconsistency in car models that I'm finding really frustrating, combined with all the other technical issues

I've played a number of racing games, some arcadey, some sim, but this is the first time I've felt a clean lap is as much to do with luck as it is my input.

Don't get me wrong, when Project Cars is working ok it shows real promise, but you know you're only a few minutes away from some glitch or bug throwing it all away.

this.

so frustrated that i had to skip karts in career because they were just bad. I still havent found a controller setup I really feel comfortable with and I've played racing games for decades. Road cars give me fits in this game while i can handle open wheel formula cars pretty well.

so disappointed in this after being told by multiple people how this wouldnt at all have some of the same issues Shift did. Shame since it has potential and does great things that Forza has yet to touch like weather, night racing, and huge grids. I'm even considering calling up MS and demanding a refund for the digital purchase.

rtmcginnis
18-05-2015, 02:49
I've tried, I really have.

I've lost count of the number of reinstalls I've tried to get this thing working properly. Similarly the number of workarounds I've employed to try and get this game (let's not forget, a full price game) to work in even a half acceptable manner.

I thought the game had convinced me, a few successful Formula Rookie championships in Career mode had given me hope that I could stick with the game, but having com out of my career and tried a few one off events I'm back to square one.

A one-off race weekend using Mark I Escorts caused the first problems. It's a car I've actually driven (at reasonable pace) in real life, it should not feel like skating around on ice. It should not require wrestling around a track with 100% accuracy to prevent it careering off into a wall. Whereas some of the cars are well-sorted (Formula Rookie and Formula Gulf) others are just plain broken.

Next up a time-trial on an empty Snetterton, on a clear day in a Pagani Zonda R. It was unplayable. A hyper-sensitive car combined with slideshow-esque framerate and faultering sound made any success or failure sheer luck. Not an enjoyable experience.

My frustration has been increased by the attitude taken towards these numerous shortcomings in the community. It's a short of resigned acceptance of the issues, a 'what did you expect from a new game' viewpoint. Having played videogames for around 30 years, this is the buggiest game I have experienced in a long time. We shouldn't expect these sort of issues in new games, not this many and not this significant.

We shouldn't have to jump through hoops just to get the game to load and not crash.

We shouldn't have to tinker for hours with control settings in order to get a car around a track in one piece.

We shouldn't have to disable force feedback to get audio whilst braking.

We shouldn't have to put up with broken car models that refuse to stay on the track.

We shouldn't have to put up with shocking framerate issues.

We shouldn't have to ignore great chunks of the game because they are unplayable.

At it's core there is a good game here, a decent sim, but it's wrapped up in a big buggy mess at the moment. The die-hards will no doubt continue sneering at the likes of GT and Forza as unrealistic and arcade, but at least they allow you to take the car of you choice around the track of your choice without having to carefully prep your Xbox, compromise on the options you choose, then battle through control and framerate issues. Whatever beef you have with those game, at this stage they re a better representation of driving and racing because real driving and racing doesn't have the sort of issues a number of people are experiencing with Project Cars.

I'd love it to be sorted, and if it ever gets to that point I may well return. But until then I shall be returning this game for a refund.


I feel like you do. I've spent all free time this weekend wrestling with this game. Re-installing, re-calibrating the wheel, resetting the USB port, configuring a myriad of sliders and setting to both "fine" tune the wheel AND each car, only to find I'm holding a numb steering wheel that feels just plain off, while trying to turn these cars around corners, guessing what the wheels are doing, as the frame rate skips and stutters and the sound crackles and pops. It's a GD mess!

After at least a dozen hours fidgeting with this game, I turned it off and spent the last hr having a blast playing Forza. The FFB, frame rate, etc... Night & Day.

Plain and simple this game does not feel finished and should not have been sold for full retail price on Xbox. This will either be shelved or returned. Maybe they can fix it and it will be the sweet game we anticipated, but maybe I should just keep my money in my pocket until they do.

TenthDan
18-05-2015, 04:04
Just to be sure things are running as best they can, have those of you having problems here confirmed that the game is patched up correctly (ie. >18.5GB on disk)?

I've read that denying the patch download while the game is installing and then letting it install afterwards can help too.

morphee7
18-05-2015, 15:59
Just to be sure things are running as best they can, have those of you having problems here confirmed that the game is patched up correctly (ie. >18.5GB on disk)?

I've read that denying the patch download while the game is installing and then letting it install afterwards can help too.

just done this and AND!!!! its fixed the tire wear.... did two tests both on dubai int. circuit on 20 laps with tire wear at 7x with 2 different cars as follows

mp4 12c gt3
tires fell off cliff 18 laps

formula c
tires fell off cliff 9 laps

it did however still have the sound glitch and didnt have the frame rate problem but that is in progress as it was only done on the one track but couldnt try the party chat issue as no1 loved me at that time to talk to in a party so tbh the game is actually playable for me atm i forgot to add that also ran the soft compound tires on both cars aswell

Bob Loblaw
18-05-2015, 17:07
Really? Slightly Madd Studios releases a broken game and your only reaction is to say "So What, Get a Refund"? I amongst many other gamers in America are in the process of emailing Microsoft to ban Slight Madd Studios from Xbox Live Marketplace because it's quite evident you aren't capable of producing a viable and or functioning game. Project Cars and Slightly Madd Studios is an embarrassment to the gaming industry and the developers should find simple task employment to occupy the weak minds and or complete ignorance they possess. It certainly appears the Devs spent more time drooling in front of the TV instead of creating the game that was promoted.

Wootball
18-05-2015, 17:12
Over reaction much? Good luck emailing MS by the way. Idealistic yes. Realistic? Not a chance.

phoenix8000
18-05-2015, 18:08
true to both Ashasha and Beagle Five....but remember someone just sued Red Bull this year and got $10m settlement because after 10yrs drinking their product he still didnt have wings....you just cant imagine how far someone will go to stand up for their fight....

think of it like this...
I have a new car, really looked nice in the showroom and when i picked it up to take it home i was really happy - but on the road home i noticed some really strange happenings, the stereo didnt work, the windows had a slight leak and the steering seemed a little unresponsive at low speed....i'll keep driving, it might just be that its new and i need to give it time...the garage said i might need to get used to it. Its been a week now and i think there's just something not right. Its not that i've had an accident but i think i need to let the garage have a look at it. They said bring it in and we'll let you know what we find - can you just let us know what the issues were. I wrote them down and handed the list to the mechanic.

Its been a week or so now and i've got no car, i have an old runabout i can use but its not the same is it..... Its not that i cant get to work or anything i can make other arrangements but its just not convenient having paid the money for what looks like such a great car...i gave them a phone today and they said they confirmed that they agree but they need to send it to a specialist as they dont have the rolling road or testing thingy they need, but they had to send it to a specialist all the same...i dont know who the specialist is, what they do or how busy they are...which is frustrating but at least i know someone is looking at it - i hope there's nothing else wrong with it as i only told them about music, leaks and the steering - just pray that when i get it back the wheels dont fall off or the engine cuts out going around corners like some Ford Focus's used to...or the cruise control jams on like Toyota's use to...anyway where was i...oh yeah my new pride and joy....well in the meantime the specialist is doing that, perhaps i can get on with something else and i'll check back in a few days, i'm sure i have something else i can be getting on with - its not like its costing me anything so far and the garage is telling me its under warranty and they'll fix it. Anyways looking forward to getting my new car back soon and hope to get some real fun, in meantime i'll just have to put up with the old runabout...am i going to sue the manufacturer..no, why not, because they have the right to fix it and if its that bad then they might find someway to compensate mefor the inconvenience but thats down to customer service....might i choose not to buy another of their products? perhaps.. it'll all come down to how well they fix this one. Will it put me off purchasing a new one on future launch days - yes, i'll read the reviews first and then make my mind up, perhaps they'll have fixed the leaky windows on the new models..

Regards....blah blah blah - we're all in the same boat and whilst its extremely annoying waiting on the specialist to do what they do there's not much my local garage can do about it....i'll let you substitute the relevant keywords in as required.....and while you're all doing that it's back to Forza 5 for what it is and a few other games we had stopped playing when we bought ProjectCars.

Haiden
18-05-2015, 21:46
I had a few of those problems, but it turned out that my update didn't install correctly. After a reinstall, those issues went away. Of course, I'm playing with a wheel and pedal set, so that might make a difference.

I don't think the community is downplaying your issues. I think that--at least for those of us not having these problems--we're too busy enjoying the crap out of this AWESOME game and realize that no amount of complaining and crying is going to make the devs work any faster. Your issues will be resolved. Just calm down and try to act like an adult.

But seriously, looking at that bug list you posted above, it sounds like you're either playing with a controller or an unpatched version of the game. If it's former, sorry. I hear there are legitimate issues with controller play. But, that said, I also hear a lot of people saying their controller experience is fine after a bit of tweaking. I'm curious, have you checked the install size of your game? Is it 18.5GB? If not, you're not patched.

I'm also curious... What other sim-style racers have you played?

Haiden
18-05-2015, 21:54
After at least a dozen hours fidgeting with this game, I turned it off and spent the last hr having a blast playing Forza. The FFB, frame rate, etc... Night & Day.

I'm sorry, but I've been playing Forza since the franchise launched. I got so bored with Forza 5, I wanted to claw my eyes out. It got so bad, I actually bought Forza Horizon 2 for a change in pace. Three days later, I was tired of the arcade style handling and went back to Forza 5's limited playground.

PCars is so much better than FM5, it's not even a joke. I will NEVER play Forza 5 again, with it's lame track selection, lame open wheel selection, lame career mode, zero weather effects, and limited FFB range and variation between vehicles.

robwdavies
18-05-2015, 22:34
I had a few of those problems, but it turned out that my update didn't install correctly. After a reinstall, those issues went away. Of course, I'm playing with a wheel and pedal set, so that might make a difference.

I don't think the community is downplaying your issues. I think that--at least for those of us not having these problems--we're too busy enjoying the crap out of this AWESOME game and realize that no amount of complaining and crying is going to make the devs work any faster. Your issues will be resolved. Just calm down and try to act like an adult.

But seriously, looking at that bug list you posted above, it sounds like you're either playing with a controller or an unpatched version of the game. If it's former, sorry. I hear there are legitimate issues with controller play. But, that said, I also hear a lot of people saying their controller experience is fine after a bit of tweaking. I'm curious, have you checked the install size of your game? Is it 18.5GB? If not, you're not patched.

I'm also curious... What other sim-style racers have you played?

For the love of God it's 18.5gb! Do you think I wouldn't have checked this given all the advice on here?!

I'm not going to list all the racers I've played, suffice to say a number of sim and arcade racers. None of that has an impact on framerate. Or sound bugs, Or system crashes. Or freezing.

GIXXERJONES
18-05-2015, 23:05
here here. :applouse::applouse::applouse::applouse:

Outlier
18-05-2015, 23:22
After at least a dozen hours fidgeting with this game, I turned it off and spent the last hr having a blast playing Forza. The FFB, frame rate, etc... Night & Day.


I think it's interesting that you finished this statement about Forza with "night and day". Will Forza 6 have it?

Haiden
19-05-2015, 15:33
For the love of God it's 18.5gb! Do you think I wouldn't have checked this given all the advice on here?!

I'm not going to list all the racers I've played, suffice to say a number of sim and arcade racers. None of that has an impact on framerate. Or sound bugs, Or system crashes. Or freezing.

I don't know what you checked. It's possible, which is why I asked. Calm down. Something's different about your console or installation, because you're experiencing things that other people aren't. I play with a wheel, which is why I don't experience controller issues, but I don't think my wheel is the reason I don't have sound bugs, system crashes, or framerate issues, or freezing. There's something else going on with your installation.

Good luck figuring out. :)

skijumptoes
19-05-2015, 16:30
rob - i think the nature of this game means that people are getting out what they put in, and of course, as it's so open experiences are different.

Primarily i'm either doing car setups, time trials, community times and playing online with a core group of around 5-6 friends plus 10 ish AI drivers, on clear circuits during daylight hours.

So, in terms of frame rate i've not really had an issue other than one race on a particular corner it was terrible. But could totally see how were i to go in to single player 30 car races in the wet this may differ.

Also, as i've been racing a damn lot with friends, and concentrating on one car, one track at a time i think this has helped me to adapt to the controller settings and adjust them via the options over the past week or so. Controller is terrible, but somehow we're managing to have some of the best nights racing i've EVER experienced on a console before. Qualifying sessions, leading in to epic 10-20 lap races filled with memorable moments.

And to be honest, i never hear anyone swearing about the controller, i hear moans that the pit crew haven't replaced the tyres, or the AI has hit them, or unfairly punished for cutting corners etc. The trick for me, no matter what setting you have it on, is just work with it and don't keep changing it - concentrate on a time trial, or racing with mates and you will adapt to it all.

I'm not saying the game isn't broken, as it is buggy as hell - but for some reason, i'm loving it, far better experience than Forza.. And i dunno, the bugs almost give it a character. When playing online and a line of players go in to the pits for fuel and tyres, and come out with neither, it always gives us a chuckle. We don't know if it's the game, or something we've done wrong lol.

I very nearly didn't buy this on launch because of the bad rep it had for Frame rate, i'm glad i did however, as i really wanted ALL the cars based on the digital pre-order pack. If it wasn't for that i would've waited, and to be honest, probably would have never bought it based on the bad rep it still receives.

So glad i did, and i do have some faith in the devs to get through these issues. I'm a developer myself and appreciate the hard work and time it takes to support a single customer (In my case), so a humble sized team that has to support multiple platforms globally within a budget must be extremely hard work, especially managing it's customers such as this forum etc..

They clearly got to the point where they had to release the game or face serious financial issues i would imagine, and that's where we are with this. Personally i'm glad i've supported them despite the initial problems, i'm getting back a few good hours of play so far.

Maybe, more passion than sense has gone in to the release, so let's give them the benefit of the doubt and see how this pans out within the next few months, it's certainly not unplayable, and if the passion is there i'm sure we'll be delighted with the final product.

MULTIVITZ
23-05-2015, 13:58
Again a lazy, patronising, egotistical answer. I'm well aware it's not Need For Speed, the box gave that away. I'm not sure how my expectations/abilities are to blame for the many issues this game has.

I feel ya bro. It took me close to 9 hours to set my controller. I did some tuning to make the cars more drivable, but all I needed was to dial in this new speed setting to get the controller response nice then tune the cars steering ratio so you can poke it in. 45 seems good at the mo, but you know how it is? Nothing I have ever bought from ms has fulfilled me tbh!!

MULTIVITZ
23-05-2015, 14:01
We have a tacho now, yeey;)

MULTIVITZ
23-05-2015, 14:13
Exactly the kind of patronising shit I expected, written exactly like a Daily Mail letter to the Editor.

Not 'throwing my weight around like a child' just tired of the apologists on here defending a broken game.

I'm sorry that for me 44 was a lot of money. I'm sorry that despite saying they would refund it, Tesco are now refusing to play ball.

And please don't try and lecture me about 'real' problems in life. You don't know me and have fuck all clue what you're talking about.


I was astonished like you, but s##t happens, we now have a game that we wanted. If you have been waiting decades like many you will cherish the opportunity to put our point across to mould it. The other users want you to see this and stop your harmful ranting any way they can. So man up, or get ya money back. Its only been a short week and we've been updated with a tachometer. Personally if you want to buy into microsofts glam and glitter its your call........you have been warned. mo