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dwalldorf
18-05-2015, 07:28
Hey guys, I couldn't find a thread where my problem is described so here I go.

Sometimes when participating in a qualifying, I just drive and all of a sudden, there's a BANG (in-game sound) and the wheel feels like i crashed into a wall with 200kph but there is nothing. Just straight road, nobody in the way, nothing. The car stands still (no spinning, no tire noise, like it was resetted to track) after this and I'm in reverse gear.

After this, I can keep driving without restarting anything or so. Happened multiple times on different tracks, in qualifying only. Not too bad because you usually have enough time in qa but it's disturbing.

Does anybody experience the same?

TheLeithToe
18-05-2015, 09:19
https://youtu.be/hPO_bvdp6W8

This happened to me...

odytsak
18-05-2015, 10:14
Does anybody experience the same?

Unfortunately, a lot of times...

TomekCB
18-05-2015, 10:35
A few times last weekend.

dwalldorf
18-05-2015, 10:36
https://youtu.be/hPO_bvdp6W8

This happened to me...

Whoa! Nope, it looks different when it happens to me. It's like a total crash, like going straight into a wall at 300kmh. One splitsecond later, the car stands straight on the track in reverse gear as if nothing happened.. Will upload a video when it happens again.

Equation
18-05-2015, 10:39
That never happened to me. I saw similar video from other forum, where guy is going out from pit and that happens.

Sankyo
18-05-2015, 14:10
It would help if you'd specify the car(s) with which and track(s) where it happens.

dwalldorf
18-05-2015, 17:33
It would help if you'd specify the car(s) with which and track(s) where it happens.

First time I wasn't sure if I missed something or there was a car that wasn't displayed because of a bug or what. Second time I wasn't sure either. It was just the 3. time I knew this happened more often. So I can only tell from the last time this happened and it was on Brands Hatch with the RUF RGT-8 GT3. Not sure about the other incidents. Might have been on same track, maybe even with same car but I just can't tell anymore. Will report if it happens again :friendly_wink:

Fsantospt
18-05-2015, 18:55
happened to me too, i hope they fix this quickly, i dont wanna play an endurance race and in the last minutes crash for something like that...by the way, that happened with a renault clio, in Oculton Park

madmax2069
18-05-2015, 19:29
It would help if you'd specify the car(s) with which and track(s) where it happens.

Well see that's going to be a hard one to reproduce. It doesnt happen in the same spots.

Ive ran many of these tracks going down the same race line (from what I can tell in the video) and pass by without issue.

I have yet to run into this issue (but I can only imagine that my time is wearing out and I eventually will run into it).

Daantjahz
18-05-2015, 20:53
I had a similair crash with the formula C on le mans circuit de la sarthe

I lost my wheel with this crash and couldn't finish the race. Most depressing

WhiteNinja636
18-05-2015, 22:30
I had a crash where leaving the pits during qualifying in the LeMans 24hr race in a LMP1 I hit something solid and my car shot 50m into the air, all of the body panels fell off and I fell back onto the track and got disqualified.

madmax2069
18-05-2015, 23:29
To me it seems like the track doesnt get loaded correctly and these invisible spots are totally random (show up in random spots for different people, or not at all for some).

GAT_Montana
19-05-2015, 12:56
New one from our Konsolenracer community (PS4, Hockenheim):


https://youtu.be/_OrPIWLFg5Q

thetoneranger
19-05-2015, 17:08
happened to me BMW M1 PROCAR, at silverstone. Hit invisible wall and the car was in reverse gear. all FFB also gone. had to restart.

dwalldorf
20-05-2015, 08:29
happened to me BMW M1 PROCAR, at silverstone. Hit invisible wall and the car was in reverse gear. all FFB also gone. had to restart.

For me it helped to pull out the wheel and put it back in.

sgohsixthree
23-05-2015, 23:12
Chalk me up too. Z4 GT3 @ Spa. Although there was no *thud* for me, I did loose FFB until returning to pits.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCoQO2IREBI

WadeOhh
25-05-2015, 01:53
Ian Bell explained this in another thread. He called it the 'Land mine bug'.

Details here (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?26782-KNOWN-BUG-What-is-this-madness-!!!&p=929551&viewfull=1#post929551)

So, they're aware of it and I guess they'll try and rid the game of these in the future. I personally haven't had it happen yet in my 30 or so hours of play so far.

Manwithnoname
25-05-2015, 12:11
Tonigt i have this problem 3 times in a row - after this bug no FF on my T300. All 3 times in a Mercedes SLS GT3 on Nordschleife, playing on PS4

MULTIVITZ
25-05-2015, 12:27
I believe my gearbox not going in gear was the same fault as this, I to just sat there reving my engine then the car started working again after a short while for me. Its a disconnect of data from somewhere, probably some values gone out of range and needs an if value is bigger than bla bla then restart the race and report line number error, someone missed it in development as the ps4 is so new, after all it only happens now and then, if at all. Fingers crossed eh?

wyldanimal
11-06-2015, 03:25
It's been Happening to me now almost once a night, sometimes twice in the same night..
Different cars, different tracks, different spots on the track..

Sometimes using the different views during the replay, I can almost make out a piece of something on the track at the spot where the crash happens.

Most of the time, right after the Phantom or Invisible crash
the FFB on my T300 wheel is gone, no force what so ever, and the Steering input is Super sensitive.
Like the rotation was turned down from 900 degrees to only 30 degrees.. the slightest twitch, makes the car turn full lock.

this is from tonight.. Watkins glen ( I have Visual and Damage turned off, only ABS as an Aid )
I tried all the different views to see if I could see anything.. Nothing...
but I did get a kick out how violent the crash was, it Damaged the track..

crash happens when replay time reaches 5:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfuBf3olEH0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfuBf3olEH0

in the first video replay timer around 5:23 to 5:19, notice how the car slides real nice in the turn.

this is right after the crash, notice how the car Now has such grippy tires it makes the car flip over..
no more sliding in the turn, just flip over..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM325_XnqIA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM325_XnqIA

jason
11-06-2015, 04:07
Wyldanimal LOL thanks for the laugh bud , sitting here cracking up at that last video ........... I know the broken things aren't suppose to be funny but :)

madmax2069
11-06-2015, 04:23
It's been Happening to me now almost once a night, sometimes twice in the same night..
Different cars, different tracks, different spots on the track..

Sometimes using the different views during the replay, I can almost make out a piece of something on the track at the spot where the crash happens.

Most of the time, right after the Phantom or Invisible crash
the FFB on my T300 wheel is gone, no force what so ever, and the Steering input is Super sensitive.
Like the rotation was turned down from 900 degrees to only 30 degrees.. the slightest twitch, makes the car turn full lock.

this is from tonight.. Watkins glen ( I have Visual and Damage turned off, only ABS as an Aid )
I tried all the different views to see if I could see anything.. Nothing...
but I did get a kick out how violent the crash was, it Damaged the track..

crash happens when replay time reaches 5:15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfuBf3olEH0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfuBf3olEH0

in the first video replay timer around 5:23 to 5:19, notice how the car slides real nice in the turn.

this is right after the crash, notice how the car Now has such grippy tires it makes the car flip over..
no more sliding in the turn, just flip over..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM325_XnqIA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM325_XnqIA



That is the Caterham roll on command issue ive brought up on numerous times. You're not crashing into anything invisable (not a landmine bug), it has something to do with the physics on the Caterham, it seems as though it has a center of gravity of a school bus. And sometimes the physics will stall out (so to speak) my original post about the issue http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?24746-caterham-rolls-really-really-easy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXvUGgnOchE

jason
11-06-2015, 04:46
I think this car would be more entertaining trying to roll it over.

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jenslaursen89
11-06-2015, 09:16
Yep... i have the same problem but when i have et playing with a wheel ALL forcefeedback just disapears...

knight01
11-06-2015, 15:17
This just happened to me aswell. I just purchased a new T300RS wheel and was doing a Time Trial at Le Mans with RWD LMP1. Just finished a lap and started another lap when the car crashes into a invisible wall on the first corner.

Lost all force feedback in the wheel after the crash. I just purchased the wheel few days ago, thought I may have damaged the wheel and have to return it. I started another session with different car and force feedback came back.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsIARASERyk

Also notice in the video, just after the crash I get refuelled and new cold tyres fitted. Seems like a F1 pit stop.

thegt500
11-06-2015, 21:58
I had this happen to me twice tonight on Sakitto in a Ginetta GT4.
First time was on the start/finish straight near the line in practice, then again near turn 1 in qualification 2. Both times there was a hell of a bang, my T300 shuddered and I lost all FFB until I pitted or restarted. Also, my nice warm tyres went instantly cold and even after pushing hard for the remainder of the lap(s), they wouldn't heat up at all.
The poor Ginetta was a wreck both times without a straight panel on it. Just hope the 1.4 patch addresses this issue so I can continue my career as I'm wary of it happening again. Until it's confirmed fixed, I'll delay career mode and just do hot lapping and online. At least online you'll see the numpty blocking the track and causing the crash LOL.

wyldanimal
12-06-2015, 00:29
That is the Caterham roll on command issue ive brought up on numerous times. You're not crashing into anything invisable (not a landmine bug), it has something to do with the physics on the Caterham, it seems as though it has a center of gravity of a school bus. And sometimes the physics will stall out (so to speak) my original post about the issue http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?24746-caterham-rolls-really-really-easy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXvUGgnOchE

Ahh I see... My Caterham has never done that till after that Crash.
Prior to that It was very well balanced.

watch theses
see how nice it power slides no tip over no wheel lift.
it was like that up until that crash.

race at snetterton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnEd37iVOdY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnEd37iVOdY

practice and qual at snetterton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OUyOySO-AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OUyOySO-AM

yopp90
12-06-2015, 04:38
I had a glitch where I was doing a qualifying stint and every time I the ai pulled out of the garage it would crash, even flipping the car 10/15 feet in the air. It was in a bmw m1 invitational race series in season 2 of my career

syrious3000
20-07-2015, 22:04
I experienced the same issue as mentioned by knight01 in http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?26177-quot-Crash-into-nothing-quot-bug&p=982663&viewfull=1#post982663
that is:
- crash aka. full stop in invisible obstacle / physics glitch or whatever at Brands Hatch with BMW Z4 GT3 at Free Pratice after 33 laps (test drive session to learn how tuning affects the handling).
- force feedback of wheel (t300rs) is dead after crash in the current session (especially auto centering of the wheel is off)
- tires turned instantly to blue/cold
- last but no least: myself feeling odd after beeing ripped out of the racing immersion in a scaring and weirdly funny way :ambivalence:

Video from two perspectives:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34369176/projectcars/bugs2/20150720_203519.mp4
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34369176/projectcars/bugs2/20150720_203601.mp4

P.S.: Btw. I know that projectcars is a "open development" project, however I think it's not a good idea to post all bug videos on youtube.
Almost every newbie looking for projectcars in the next months will find tons of bug videos which in my opinion is a weird advertising concept that will harm the game.

chig88
21-07-2015, 09:52
Another one for the list:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgNAsnCR3cc

Sankyo
21-07-2015, 09:56
Another one for the list:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgNAsnCR3cc
Please make the video unlisted as it's a bug report.

chig88
21-07-2015, 10:12
Please make the video unlisted as it's a bug report.

Sorry, don't understand what you mean by unlisted?

If you mean make a separate thread for a bug report I already have done:

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?35495-Thou-Shalt-Not-Pass!!!-Bug-Report

Sankyo
21-07-2015, 10:37
Sorry, don't understand what you mean by unlisted?

If you mean make a separate thread for a bug report I already have done:

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?35495-Thou-Shalt-Not-Pass!!!-Bug-Report
No, the YouTube video can be set to Public, Unlisted or Private in the video settings. Unlisted means that only people with the link can watch it.

chig88
21-07-2015, 10:41
No, the YouTube video can be set to Public, Unlisted or Private in the video settings. Unlisted means that only people with the link can watch it.

So why should I be setting it to unlisted? I don't mind it being seen by the public.

rocafella1978
11-08-2015, 02:45
don't have video but happened now multiple times in multiplayer and solo, practice, quali and race @Sonoma Raceway Short in BMW Z4 GT3 multiple users and RUF RGT-8 GT3 (one user), all over the track, not even same place. (start/ finish, after start finish first left and the chute, in the first sweeping S and just before hair pin before start/ finish) lap 2, 8, 11, and etc all the way to lap 48...

before the above, 2 weeks ago same @Dubai Autodrome International, multiple users BMW Z4 GT4 and RUF RGT-8 GT3, also on multiple places of track. (just after start/ finish, in turn 10-11, in tear drop and in middle of last turn to start/ finish) out lap from pits, lap 4, lap 7, lap 22 and lap 40...

wyldanimal
11-08-2015, 04:21
So why should I be setting it to unlisted? I don't mind it being seen by the public.

it's a common courtesy to make BUG reports Videos Unlisted.
then post a Link on the forum so the Devs can go View it.

Making the BUG video Public,
Is taken to means you are trying to AIR dirty Laundry about the Game to the Public.

ryan_ph
12-08-2015, 19:29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiBaFYdJ9Lk

chig88
13-08-2015, 10:04
it's a common courtesy to make BUG reports Videos Unlisted.
then post a Link on the forum so the Devs can go View it.

Making the BUG video Public,
Is taken to means you are trying to AIR dirty Laundry about the Game to the Public.

I highly doubt the one video I have posted on my channel is airing dirty laundry about the game to anyone. I'm happy to have the video unlisted (as I have done with the 2nd bug video I have posted), but I resent being asked to change video settings on my own YouTube account without even being given a clear reason why. I'd argue that's the real lack of 'common courtesy'.

I knew exactly why they wanted it unlisted - what I wanted was a clear explanation rather than them dancing around the issue. :(

VR-Mustard
13-08-2015, 12:15
I think it outrageous asking people to keep quiet about all these bugs... Tut tut (by the community for the community) that's all i have to say.

Umer Ahmad
13-08-2015, 12:17
The explanation was given long ago at WMD, obviously that does not benefit you however.

You can complain loudly/publicly at a restaurant if there is a bug in you food or quietly call over the waiter. Choice is your's

VR-Mustard
13-08-2015, 12:23
If i had a fly in my soup.. I'm afraid i wouldn't walk over to the kitchen for a hushed/quite word. Would you?

VR-Mustard
13-08-2015, 12:25
So is this thread for reporting bugs or not?

mister dog
13-08-2015, 12:50
Just some amateur brainstorming here, but if this is a 'physics explosion' as Ian said, this could be related to FFB settings? A bit like the white line and its canned vibration effects who appear sporadically, but also seem to be triggered by tweaking the cars individual FFB settings.

I myself haven't had this happening, but was there any parameter you guys recall changing in the hours/days before this bug occurs? (FFB related or not).

VR-Mustard
13-08-2015, 19:59
I love this game very much and i think that i speak for all communities when i say that this is the main BUG that's stopping all these online racing clubs/communities taking your game/sim to a whole new level. Banning, deleting and editing this forum like this has me thinking.. What's the point in visiting here..

I work very hard bigging this game up to our members over at www.VRroom.org

VR-Mustard
13-08-2015, 21:17
Take a look on vrroom website.. The problem is well documented and we all kinda know that's the problem because it's been tested. Yet still no fix?

wyldanimal
14-08-2015, 05:55
Just some amateur brainstorming here, but if this is a 'physics explosion' as Ian said, this could be related to FFB settings? A bit like the white line and its canned vibration effects who appear sporadically, but also seem to be triggered by tweaking the cars individual FFB settings.

I myself haven't had this happening, but was there any parameter you guys recall changing in the hours/days before this bug occurs? (FFB related or not).

FFB settings have ZERO to do with car Physics / Collision Physics.

wyldanimal
14-08-2015, 06:05
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiBaFYdJ9Lk

almost looks, like the suspension travel allowed the front spoiler to get below the Track surface.
It does appear to be collision Physics with the ground.

I've had it happen now on every track, and not just once per track.
I can't say that it's been in the same place twice.

Nor can I say that there is anything common that I can point a finger too.

there are quite a few videos about this to be found.
Even very similar Invisible Wall crashes in older titles.

I've touched on it before and wonder if it's not hidden is some Physics Code that had been ported over from a previous title.
Such as Code that was thought to have been long, proven good working code.

As I'm not part of the Dev team, or have any direct contact to them,
It's only guessing and speculation.

Sure would be nice to be able to point a finger at a specific cause, so it can be fixed.

but until it can be well duplicated, and caught in action,
I'm sure it's very difficult to track down.

Sankyo
14-08-2015, 06:18
Take a look on vrroom website.. The problem is well documented and we all kinda know that's the problem because it's been tested. Yet still no fix?

Maybe the fix isn't as easy to find and it's not as simple pulling a fix off a shelf?

mister dog
14-08-2015, 07:46
FFB settings have ZERO to do with car Physics / Collision Physics.

FFB is linked directly with the physics, so there is some relation.

Maybe some other parameter does, hence my question if people adjusted a slider shortly before it happened. Doesn't make sense that with some people it happens all the time and with others never, nor that some don't have it and all of a sudden it starts occuring.

If it would just be an ingame bug that isn't related to any adjustable parameter, my guess is it would happen all the time with everyone.

lancashirelad
14-08-2015, 08:05
I posted this a while ago and not sure if it got overlooked.
https://youtu.be/UDtppP7fuCM
Happened in time trial at Barcelona on ps4

VR-Mustard
14-08-2015, 12:03
FFB is linked directly with the physics, so there is some relation.

Maybe some other parameter does, hence my question if people adjusted a slider shortly before it happened. Doesn't make sense that with some people it happens all the time and with others never, nor that some don't have it and all of a sudden it starts occuring.

If it would just be an ingame bug that isn't related to any adjustable parameter, my guess is it would happen all the time with everyone.

This would make sense.. Look i get why the sms team don't want this plastering all over the Web so surely we as a collective can all get together and get to the bottom of this.
I will gladly get my full website to test for this for a full week if needed. Anyone else got any ideas?

VR-Mustard
14-08-2015, 12:07
We run all our rooms without Abs or any other aids. We race full damage and everything on real, pretty much everyone on our site will be tweaking ffb masterscale.. I don't know if this may help but if we all put our heads together im sure we could narrow this down.

wyldanimal
14-08-2015, 20:44
FFB is linked directly with the physics, so there is some relation.

Maybe some other parameter does, hence my question if people adjusted a slider shortly before it happened. Doesn't make sense that with some people it happens all the time and with others never, nor that some don't have it and all of a sudden it starts occuring.

If it would just be an ingame bug that isn't related to any adjustable parameter, my guess is it would happen all the time with everyone.

I get what you're thinking,

the Car Physics are what affect the FFB that can be felt. That's where all the FFB data comes from...
But it's a one direction flow of Data
Track --> Car --> FFB --> Wheel

The FFB settings determine How the Feelings are felt in your Wheel..

Adjusting FFB settings Doesn't alter or Affect the Actual Physics of the car.
it only affects How you Feel it in your wheel..


Suspension adjustments, now that could play a role, as that Does Affect the Physics.

one thing also, is It Happens with Damage On, or Damage Off

Some Suggested Maybe to Dedicate a Few group events to try and collect Data to help track it down.
I think that's a Great Idea.

run some NO-Tuning events and see if it happens.
then Allow tuning on One Item at a time...

Approach it in a Controlled manner, and maybe something will show up as th cause.


Keep the results private to this forum,
and make all the videos unlisted, so you need the Link to view them.

falm
24-08-2015, 13:16
Had the same problem yesterday at Zolder, setting was:
- Free run
- McLaren F1
- 14:00 / Clear
- T300 Wheel
- Patch 3.0 + all DLC installed

Was running a few laps. Returned to the Pit did a small change change and returned to training. When on my second lap I hit an invisible bump (a big one) at the begin of the start / finish straight. One lap later the bump was gone.

Saved 15min video locally using the PS4 share function. Shall I upload the video, would it be of any help?

novcze
24-08-2015, 15:39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8ee0_fd-3E

rocafella1978
24-08-2015, 21:13
I get what you're thinking,

the Car Physics are what affect the FFB that can be felt. That's where all the FFB data comes from...
But it's a one direction flow of Data
Track --> Car --> FFB --> Wheel

The FFB settings determine How the Feelings are felt in your Wheel..

Adjusting FFB settings Doesn't alter or Affect the Actual Physics of the car.
it only affects How you Feel it in your wheel..


Suspension adjustments, now that could play a role, as that Does Affect the Physics.

one thing also, is It Happens with Damage On, or Damage Off

Some Suggested Maybe to Dedicate a Few group events to try and collect Data to help track it down.
I think that's a Great Idea.

run some NO-Tuning events and see if it happens.
then Allow tuning on One Item at a time...

Approach it in a Controlled manner, and maybe something will show up as th cause.


Keep the results private to this forum,
and make all the videos unlisted, so you need the Link to view them.
I have noticed the invisible wall only when I change FFB settings in global wheel setting i the main menu, enter a session, it happens 1-3x times randomly...if i don't change anything and play the game, nothing ever happens. as soon as i change FFB settings, invisible inicidents happen. (only things I touched, TF, DRF, DRR, scoop knee sliders, SC half and full, gain, bleed, clamp, steering gain, low speed both and menu spring, before patch 3.0 was of course witout the new additional sliders)

millerg8jr
12-06-2016, 00:01
This happens to me and it occures in different places on the track and different cars and it always happens when I am leading. Today I was in the Merc and three straight races in the lead and in different corners I hit an invisable accident and it went straight to neutral and stopped. I just quit. It makes me not want to play the game.

wyldanimal
12-06-2016, 08:02
This happens to me and it occures in different places on the track and different cars and it always happens when I am leading. Today I was in the Merc and three straight races in the lead and in different corners I hit an invisable accident and it went straight to neutral and stopped. I just quit. It makes me not want to play the game.

I experience them all the time. at least once if I try to play for an hour or so..
we had a 20 minute Practice race, and one of the drivers hit one...
Then we had Practice, Qualify and a Race, and 2 guys hit one...
plus I had One questionable glitch... Mid turn my DRS went on and I lost control.. but I didn't turn it on myself..
So I'd venture to say, 4 glitches in an hour of racing...

I also Had a Crash to Blue Screen right at the End of the Practice Session.
was able to re-join to enter Qualify.
But had the DRS glitch in the race.


It's the Best Console Sim when it's working, but when it glitches... UGH!
So I have a Love / Hate relationship with pCars

Wont give up on it, but I hate when it bugs out...

Cholton82
20-06-2016, 19:59
I havnt had an invisible wall crash for months and just assumed it had been sorted , today for whatever reason I changed some global ffb settings and bam 3 invisible walls knocking me into neutral or reverse and a dead stop in less than 2 hrs playing . This can't be a coincidence , same car and championship as before but just ffb settings changed .

Schnizz58
20-06-2016, 20:11
I havnt had an invisible wall crash for months and just assumed it had been sorted , today for whatever reason I changed some global ffb settings and bam 3 invisible walls knocking me into neutral or reverse and a dead stop in less than 2 hrs playing . This can't be a coincidence , same car and championship as before but just ffb settings changed .
Be nice to know which setting it was.

Cholton82
20-06-2016, 21:27
Be nice to know which setting it was.

Sorry should of said , I lowered tyre force from 80 down to 75 , the only other thing I changed was in visuals I turned chroma on . Track was Brno , Car RufGT3 sprint race in career

Burt_roussel
13-10-2016, 00:49
Nice to see that am not the only one with this bug . I have even worse things happening to me........ When I go to set up my car all the setting go crazy on me I can not stop it keep changing fast and there is no way to input anything till I restart the game.I do have a capture of it just a few second .... If only I knew were to post it.

Roger Prynne
13-10-2016, 11:07
^ Make sure your wheel is centered in the menus.
Also you cannot post links until you have a least 5 posts.