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theredeye_uk
25-05-2015, 15:57
Hi

This is not a criticism of the game (I love the game, warts and all), and I don't want to start a thread where people slate it... but having tried many cars there are some I simply cannot get along with cos they are just awful to race and I really don't enjoy them. I just want to find out what other cars people don't get along with.

My least fave are

Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.8 AMG - like an heavy overpowered hovercraft. I love early touring cars they you need to drift but I could jog around a circuit quicker that this car. The Ford Escort RS1600 and Sierra cosworth are 100x more fun.

Ford Focus ST - too quiet, understeery and generally very dull. Just fails to put a smile on my face at all.

Your thoughts on other cars you prefer to avoid?

hitmanvega
25-05-2015, 16:04
Ye.... the Focus ST is a bit bland...

gp20
25-05-2015, 16:06
BAC Mono, not realistic IMO.
No break, doesn't stay on the road at first corner. For a 270cv 500kgs car, it's a shame.

Aldo Zampatti
25-05-2015, 16:12
BAC Mono, not realistic IMO.

I disagree actually with that. BAC is probably one of the nicest Road Legal cars. I've remember also when a BAC Test driver went on to test it and gave his feedback, he was so amazed he almost can not believe it.

I've compared this to death with youtube videos and looks as real as It can get. But.... we are talking about favoritism here which is fine.
I agree on the Focus ST, i hate it :D

Sankyo
25-05-2015, 16:17
I still can't get along with the Ginetta G55 GT3. Too twitchy and 'digital' for me. It sounds nice, though :)

gp20
25-05-2015, 16:19
I disagree actually with that. BAC is probably one of the nicest Road Legal cars. I've remember also when a BAC Test driver went on to test it and gave his feedback, he was so amazed he almost can not believe it.

I've compared this to death with youtube videos and looks as real as It can get. But.... we are talking about favoritism here which is fine.
I agree on the Focus ST, i hate it :D
I'm not talking about graphics but behaviour.
I'm surprised it compares so bad to the Ariel Atom 300 Supercharged which is in the same league.

Sankyo
25-05-2015, 16:21
I'm not talking about graphics but behaviour.


Aldo is also talking about behaviour.

Aldo Zampatti
25-05-2015, 16:22
I'm not talking about graphics but behaviour.
I'm surprised it compares so bad to the Ariel Atom 300 Supercharged which is in the same league.

Supercharged Ariel is a beast :D Love that machine. But Engine is sooo different that I wouldn't put both together. I know they're both road legal cars, though

gp20
25-05-2015, 16:24
Aldo is also talking about behaviour.
This

I've compared this to death with youtube videos and looks as real as It can get

knotme
25-05-2015, 16:25
the escort mkI 1600... is rather sloppy

Aldo Zampatti
25-05-2015, 16:29
Yes I was talking about behavior. Compared videos for reference on rolling, Cornering speed, etc.
(where's Jussi when you need him!) :P

Again, this is super-subjective! No one disagree that the Lykan Hypersport is a hell of a car... and I hate driving it also :o

But it sooo beautiful!

N0body Of The Goat
25-05-2015, 16:34
My faves...

BMW M3 GT
Lykan
Both Radicals
Audi R8 V10 Plus
Bac Mono
Formula B
Formula Gulf
Ariel V8

... Because they have very dynamic handling, from understeer through neutral to oversteer. :D

Least favourite...

Ford GT mk IV (understeers like a pig, at least with default setup, IIRC)

Dorny
25-05-2015, 16:46
BAC Mono, not realistic IMO.
No break, doesn't stay on the road at first corner. For a 270cv 500kgs car, it's a shame.

So the official BAC TEST Driver who gave his feedback for the physics of the car and said it was very realistic and pretty much there with the real car, doesn't know what hes talking about? :P

Its probably one of THE most realistic cars in the game due to the amount and source of feedback it had. Your perception of realism must be well off.

On topic, would be lotus 49, Mclaren P1 and Ford Focus. The first 2 is due to gamepad just not being good enough for them and Ford Focus being dull as hell.

BioForce
25-05-2015, 16:51
BAC Mono, not realistic IMO.
No break, doesn't stay on the road at first corner. For a 270cv 500kgs car, it's a shame.

Did you heat up your tires?

GonzoFK
25-05-2015, 17:20
I hate driving the Ford Mk. IV and McLaren F1.

gp20
25-05-2015, 17:29
So the official BAC TEST Driver who gave his feedback for the physics of the car and said it was very realistic and pretty much there with the real car, doesn't know what hes talking about? :P


I don't know, he is the same that said that karts are spot on?

He played with a controller or a wheel? What configuration settings? lol

jimmyb_84
25-05-2015, 17:33
I still can't get along with the Ginetta G55 GT3. Too twitchy and 'digital' for me. It sounds nice, though :)

This makes me want to master it more, I agree the sound is amazing.

Invincible
25-05-2015, 17:47
This makes me want to master it more, I agree the sound is amazing.

I really like the Ginetta GT3.

Worst handling for me: Ford Focus Rs, Ford MKIV, Ford Mustang Cobra

Awong124
25-05-2015, 17:48
I think the Caterham Classic on default settings is terrible. Changing the settings makes it a lot better. But the default settings are really just stupid, and accentuates the bad handling characteristics of the car rather than mitigate them.

dungeonseeker
25-05-2015, 18:30
The Focus is just Meh, I totally agree. Also the MK1 Escort handles like a boat but I'm gonna assume that's accurate.

The McLaren F1 is my nemesis, its like a wild beast and I'm just out of control all the time but again, that's probably realistic too.

The Formula A car is my favourite handling car despite not being able to actually drive it, it handles like a knat, darting around so quickly.

Westbeef
25-05-2015, 18:37
The Caterham is difficult I found, very poor handling.

Srt8 300c
25-05-2015, 18:40
SMS Ruf is a beast!!!

KK78
25-05-2015, 18:59
There's a ton of cars I do like but I do find a lot of the road cars just, well, cumbersome. The RUF RGT, Gumpert Apollo and Mercedes SLS all feel a bit like boats meandering and floating about, not sure if it's my controller settings but the karts, openwheel, prototype and GT cars have all felt much better.

k.merse
25-05-2015, 19:02
BAC Mono. No grip at all, especially during acceleration. I'm not saying it's not realistic, I'm just saying it's very difficult to handle. Interestingly I had no particular issues with the Focus.

Sankyo
25-05-2015, 19:05
There's a ton of cars I do like but I do find a lot of the road cars just, well, cumbersome. The RUF RGT, Gumpert Apollo and Mercedes SLS all feel a bit like boats meandering and floating about, not sure if it's my controller settings but the karts, openwheel, prototype and GT cars have all felt much better.
THose road cars run on road tyres which are not even close to the grip levels of those cars running on slicks. That means that you'll very easily overdrive these cars, giving you the feeling that they won't turn :)

Sankyo
25-05-2015, 19:30
BAC Mono. No grip at all, especially during acceleration. I'm not saying it's not realistic, I'm just saying it's very difficult to handle. Interestingly I had no particular issues with the Focus.
What controller are you using?
I just tested the car with default set-up on Snetterton 300 and can't see where your 'no grip at all' is coming from. Even on cold tyres I can easily get it around corners, taking into account that the car doesn't run on slicks so overdriving it is easy. The car has a good amount of lift-off and power oversteer which both help with cornering. Also grip during acceleration is fine for me, but when coming out of corners you need to be gentle with the throttle because of the aforementioned power oversteer.

TMoney
25-05-2015, 19:46
Lotus 98T, in the rain, against AI. Worst experience I've ever had nearly broke the damn restart button.

Some of the reasoning is probably from bugs though. Like inability to keep up with AI in the rain, overly aggressive AI (I think this is [more] specific to open wheelers). Now throw in a 98T and it's a recipe for disaster!

Aldo Zampatti
25-05-2015, 20:36
Lotus 98T, in the rain, against AI. Worst experience I've ever had nearly broke the damn restart button.

Some of the reasoning is probably from bugs though. Like inability to keep up with AI in the rain, overly aggressive AI (I think this is [more] specific to open wheelers). Now throw in a 98T and it's a recipe for disaster!

What restart button? ;) :P
Al contraire, I love 98T, with Oculus VR, that car will scare the S*** out of you! :D

TMoney
25-05-2015, 22:38
Yea I enjoy it in the dry but in the rain it's almost impossible to drive with AI. They just plow right into you since you need to brake sooner in the rain (but they don't).

I was getting so aggravated doing the Vintage F1 championship invitational. Includes 7 races and some happen to be in the rain. Zolder was a nightmare! Spa wasn't fun either but I muscled my way through it. Luckily the race was in the dry. Thank god it's over haha.

Oh and due to their slow starts I was able to make up for my sub par qualifying times. :)

GenBrien
25-05-2015, 22:45
BAC Mono, not realistic IMO.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTrwsokoNXg

your opinion is wrong

Mrbrown33
25-05-2015, 22:48
The vintage Ford Mk. IV(GT40) is a right handful

Mrbrown33
25-05-2015, 22:53
I disagree actually with that. BAC is probably one of the nicest Road Legal cars. I've remember also when a BAC Test driver went on to test it and gave his feedback, he was so amazed he almost can not believe it.

I've compared this to death with youtube videos and looks as real as It can get. But.... we are talking about favoritism here which is fine.
I agree on the Focus ST, i hate it :D
I must admit, i found the mono to be a handful, I skipped that race in the career in the end.

NVI0U5
26-05-2015, 05:34
All the cars except for Formula A lol

gp20
26-05-2015, 05:42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTrwsokoNXg

your opinion is wrong
I don't pay attention to PC advertising videos. 2 other people have the same opinion.
As i said the BAC Mono does not behave like a 500kgs/270CV car.

Shnoo
26-05-2015, 07:32
Haven't tested all cars yet but the cars i disliked the most are the bac mono and the Lancer Evo.

The Focus RS is not bad at all with a better setup the default is crap thats true but with the right setup changes you can really get that car alive.

Westbeef
26-05-2015, 08:31
Am I the only one who can't handle the Caterham? :D

Sankyo
26-05-2015, 08:35
I don't pay attention to PC advertising videos.
It's not an advertising video, it's player-made.


2 other poeple have the same opinion.
As i said the BAC Mono does not behave like a 500kgs/270CV car.
What is the basis of your and the 2 other people's opinion? In what way does it not meet your expectations?

Neil Hopwood
26-05-2015, 08:37
Am I the only one who can't handle the Caterham? :D

the 7? just took it for a spin around Brands Hatch. Handles just like I expect it too. Loads of fun.

Big thing to remember is you sitting REALLY far back in the car. Brake in as straight a line as possible, keeps the back end for swinging around.

80AI
26-05-2015, 09:01
After driving Formula C, 1000 & Rookie everything else just has terrible brakes. I overshoot everything. Formula C really spoils you with late braking on corners and precision controls.

I bet Formula A & B will not disappoint when i move up next season.



3770K, sli 780ti's, 16 gigs ram, G27, 5780x1080

gp20
26-05-2015, 09:18
It's not an advertising video, it's player-made.


What is the basis of your and the 2 other people's opinion? In what way does it not meet your expectations?
It does not break and there is no grip. Check the Ariel Atom 300cv they should be in the same ballpark and they are not.

Neil Hopwood
26-05-2015, 09:21
After driving Formula C, 1000 & Rookie everything else just has terrible brakes. I overshoot everything. Formula C really spoils you with late braking on corners and precision controls.

I bet Formula A & B will not disappoint when i move up next season.



3770K, sli 780ti's, 16 gigs ram, G27, 5780x1080

That's basically what everyone whose ever had the chance to drive an F1 car has said. Oh it's fast, but OMG the brakes.

theredeye_uk
26-05-2015, 09:49
Glad I started this discussion, as it shows people really do differ in their taste / driving styles and the cars they can't get on with.

The classic Lotus F1 car does not seem popular, but that may be because it's just damn hard. It could be that once conquered it's immensely rewarding. Do any of you remember the old PC sim Grand Prix Legends? Tough as old boots to start with but once you got to grips with it there was no racing game that offered the same on-edge intensity and reward.

As for the Caterham, I actually like this car even with no tuning. I'm sure I'd like it more with a decent tune.
The Ginetta GT3 seems to be a marmite car, but again I go to this time and time again - it's my fave GT3 car.

Glad I'm not the only one not loving the Focus ST. If anyone has a decent tune for it would you mind sharing as I'm using it in career mode and just getting frustrated.

Old skool hemi
26-05-2015, 09:50
All the cars except for Formula A lol

i agree with you on that, every car you get in you have to make a tune just to get it round a bend. No offence here but racecars should handle out the box to a certain degree, race teams adjust tune setups to make the car run faster on each individual track not to make the car go round a track.. the physics are way off in most cars. Im not hating on the game i really enjoy it, im just voicing my opinion.

Sankyo
26-05-2015, 09:53
It does not break and there is no grip.
Please be more elaborate than that. I drove the car yesterday in the game and it has excellent grip (considering it's on road tyres) and brakes fine.

cluck
26-05-2015, 09:57
i agree with you on that, every car you get in you have to make a tune just to get it round a bend. No offence here but racecars should handle out the box to a certain degree, race teams adjust tune setups to make the car run faster on each individual track not to make the car go round a track.. the physics are way off in most cars. Im not hating on the game i really enjoy it, im just voicing my opinion.I had no trouble driving the BMW Z4 GT3 around Nordschleife in 6m43.26s with 100% default settings


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=merycIh61AE

If you can't get a car through a corner then you're probably going into the corner too fast :).

Machinist90
26-05-2015, 10:01
Ford Focus ST feels like a sleepy whale haha,a shame cause I love the car but it does give a nice contrast with a full built racecar,haven't tried formula A yet,had my hands full with the Lotus 98T but turning down LSD made it handle like a charm

vicdavery
26-05-2015, 10:13
I don't pay attention to PC advertising videos. 2 other people have the same opinion.
As i said the BAC Mono does not behave like a 500kgs/270CV car.

2 people agree with you, and from what we've seen in this thread at least 5 people disagree. In other threads there are quite a few people who disagree with you including a test driver for BAC. (Who if I remember correctly tested using a wheel during the development phase so on PC).

I'm afraid you might be wrong on this occasion. ;)

MULTIVITZ
26-05-2015, 10:19
So you guys are judging the cars in the game based on thier default settings?! I hope not!
Every car that I have spent time with has rewarded me with the handling potential the real cars give and more. Just compare the Ford Mustang Boss default drive to the setup I managed to produce to go around Bathurst!! The chassis had oval galore of settings available that should keep a Nascar fan occupied for many years! And as for the frightening Lotus turbo, I was experiencing 60-120mph+ in 1 second, and the sweetest sharpest chassis to match the near 1200bhp of power the thing manages on over shoot, and I'm not close to using full wing!!!!
So please be patient for the community to get to grips with all cars, in the mean time have a go yourselves. Start with all the suspension settings low, and set your bumpstops then go from there. Trust me on this, all the cars are more than mint, just get the tyres in thier temperature window.:rolleyes:

Old skool hemi
26-05-2015, 10:25
I had no trouble driving the BMW Z4 GT3 around Nordschleife in 6m43.26s with 100% default settings


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=merycIh61AE

If you can't get a car through a corner then you're probably going into the corner too fast :).

the gt3 class are the most stable cars in the game.. i can get all the cars round a track but my point was, they needed tuning. Racecars should have brilliant handling and tons of grip when the tyres are warmed up but sadly not in this game... the gt40 is actually laughable with assists off, my old trans am would out handle it and that is just way off im afraid..

Machinist90
26-05-2015, 10:30
gave the formula A a shot..not quite fond of it,hitting a kerb can send it flying way too hard,feels unpredictable and twitchy but that could be the controller...love the GT and touring cars but think I'll stick with codemasters for a true modern age F1 experience,no hard feelings Pcars ;)

evanzo7
26-05-2015, 10:31
the escort mkI 1600... is rather sloppy

But that is what a real Escort Mk1 is like!

old classic, love it! haha!

afroguy
26-05-2015, 10:35
Personally I cannot get on with
-Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.8 AMG (handles like a overladen canal boat)
-Focus ST/RS Whatever (oh god the understeer)
-Audi LMP1 (cannot see the apex/corners/track due to HUGE wheel pods)

Recently fell in love with the BAC. Put the supersoft tires on and lowered the pressures a bit, then raised the accel on the dif to 40-50% and it's a joy. Was using the 300 Atom before for the road car/trackday invitationals but the BAC walks all over it on every track and in the rain. I also really enjoy the 320i Group 5 (with max wastegate pressure), Renault Clio cup, GT4 Vantage and the 1600 escort once I dialed it in that is :)

Mrbrown33
26-05-2015, 10:47
Personally I cannot get on with
-Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.8 AMG (handles like a overladen canal boat)
-Focus ST/RS Whatever (oh god the understeer)
-Audi LMP1 (cannot see the apex/corners/track due to HUGE wheel pods)

Recently fell in love with the BAC. Put the supersoft tires on and lowered the pressures a bit, then raised the accel on the dif to 40-50% and it's a joy. Was using the 300 Atom before for the road car/trackday invitationals but the BAC walks all over it on every track and in the rain. I also really enjoy the 320i Group 5 (with max wastegate pressure), Renault Clio cup, GT4 Vantage and the 1600 escort once I dialed it in that is :)
I'll give them a go for the Mono, thanks

cluck
26-05-2015, 10:48
the gt3 class are the most stable cars in the game.. i can get all the cars round a track but my point was, they needed tuning. Racecars should have brilliant handling and tons of grip when the tyres are warmed up but sadly not in this game... the gt40 is actually laughable with assists off, my old trans am would out handle it and that is just way off im afraid..But my point is, you wrote this :

...every car you get in you have to make a tune just to get it round a bendAnd I disagree with that as my video shows :). I don't mess with setups because I quite simply haven't got the patience to tinker with settings. The cars drive believably for me including, yes, the Ford Mk IV - it's a car that requires a different approach to tackling laps and it is, indeed, an absolute handful to drive in real life, especially in the wet :D . Look up Kenny Brack's lap at Goodwood on Youtube and then watch his interview, especially his comments just after 3 minutes in, it's an insight into what the real car is like to drive :).

I just fundamentally disagree with your statements that the cars need tuning to get good laps out of them :). Getting the best lap, yes, that will require tuning to your own personal tastes, but the default setups allow modest drivers to get a pretty damn quick lap out of them :).

Old skool hemi
26-05-2015, 10:50
So you guys are judging the cars in the game based on thier default settings?! I hope not!
Every car that I have spent time with has rewarded me with the handling potential the real cars give and more. Just compare the Ford Mustang Boss default drive to the setup I managed to produce to go around Bathurst!! The chassis had oval galore of settings available that should keep a Nascar fan occupied for many years! And as for the frightening Lotus turbo, I was experiencing 60-120mph+ in 1 second, and the sweetest sharpest chassis to match the near 1200bhp of power the thing manages on over shoot, and I'm not close to using full wing!!!!
So please be patient for the community to get to grips with all cars, in the mean time have a go yourselves. Start with all the suspension settings low, and set your bumpstops then go from there. Trust me on this, all the cars are more than mint, just get the tyres in thier temperature window.:rolleyes:

but why should you need to tune your own setup for a racecar to go round a track fast.. i agree to make it faster than stock u need to tune... all defaults on this game are are borderline undrivable. Not all but mist..

danowat
26-05-2015, 10:55
The Mercedes SLS (road) and Pagani Huayra are a bit dull and boring, simply because (especially the Huarya) tyres appear to have an over abundance of grip.......

The McLaren 12C GT car is also really dull, as it has hardly any character and again, very dull to drive.

Other than that, the rest of the cars are pretty fun.

evanzo7
26-05-2015, 10:56
but why should you need to tune your own setup for a racecar to go round a track fast.. i agree to make it faster than stock u need to tune... all defaults on this game are are borderline undrivable. Not all but mist..

I disagree, you just have to take time to adapt your driving style to certain cars.
Cars that you would expect to be tough to drive are, like the Formula A, Old Lotus F1, Capri, some of the supercars etc.

You can't jump from say a Ginetta Junior or Formula Gulf into one of the above and expect it to drive flat out like you would in say the Ginetta or the Gulf.

It can take me 5 or so laps to get the feel of a car and another 10-20 before I can really nail it and feel comfortable, it is how it should be.
Cars feel good as standard, they feel excellent after you've spent time setting them up!

gp20
26-05-2015, 11:41
No one here uses the same configuration settings (controller or wheel), that's an issue.

chig88
26-05-2015, 11:42
Most road cars don't feel great (as you'd expect compared to the race cars), but the Caterhams are particularly awful.

mkstatto
26-05-2015, 12:28
I really can't get to grips with the Ford Cosworth, its sluggish, it wont turn in. I don't know whether its my driving thats doing it or the standard tuning. Enjoying trying to find out though.

Sankyo
26-05-2015, 12:35
I really can't get to grips with the Ford Cosworth, its sluggish, it wont turn in. I don't know whether its my driving thats doing it or the standard tuning. Enjoying trying to find out though.
As with most vintage(-ish) cars, if it won't turn in you're probably over-driving it.

mkstatto
26-05-2015, 12:41
As with most vintage(-ish) cars, if it won't turn in you're probably over-driving it.

I was thinking its was proberly a problem with man and not machine. I like a car very front end-y (not even a word!) and then gather up the pieces mid-late corner, its not the fastest I know, but old habits die hard.

BMASTER
26-05-2015, 13:27
I didn't drive to much cars yet, but I really hate the Focus R/S.
But to be fair, it was a career race in the rain and I didn't know the track nor was I comfortable with the game back then.

I had a real struggle with the Mono and tweaked it until I got around brands hatch. I had to reset the training 6 times and the qualy was a disaster because of the rain. So I started 21st of 25 cars. But I managed to get 5th after a few laps and couldn't keep up with the cars in front.

My fav of the cars I drove so far is the Lancer Evo.

Sankyo
26-05-2015, 13:35
I was thinking its was proberly a problem with man and not machine. I like a car very front end-y (not even a word!) and then gather up the pieces mid-late corner, its not the fastest I know, but old habits die hard.
The Sierra doesn't like that approach, I'm pretty sure of that. Also with the laggy turbo it's better IIRC to turn in late , keep the revs up with a low gear and power out of the corner as soon as you can.

Pepski
26-05-2015, 14:32
gave the formula A a shot..not quite fond of it,hitting a kerb can send it flying way too hard,feels unpredictable and twitchy but that could be the controller...love the GT and touring cars but think I'll stick with codemasters for a true modern age F1 experience,no hard feelings Pcars ;)

This is how I feel at the moment. I'm buzzing for F1 2015 because it's the full package. Every car and track, better lap timings, more accurate flags/penalties, etc.

Not to say, however, that I'm liking PCars any less. I've started with Formula Rookie in my career and I'm enjoying that. And the GT cars, while frustrating at first, have become a joy to drive online.

yusupov
26-05-2015, 15:02
a codemasters F1 car (unless theres a big change) wont be nearly as a realistic as the F1 car in pCARS.

but yes its designed to give you the 'f1 experience' for sure, thats why ill be getting it. but not expecting a sim from them.

RaceBabySr
26-05-2015, 15:14
As said many times, the Ford Focus has very sloppy and boat-like handling. Not only that, the FFB for this car is also shallow and faint (no road feel etc.). I also have the same experience with the Renault Megane.

I wonder if there is something missing (a bug) with these cars. There is another (I forget) H-Shifter car that handles poorly as well...maybe a trend here?

Sloskimo
26-05-2015, 15:27
The Caterhams and especially the classic require a quite diferent driving style from most of the cars in the game, Lift off, turn in, let the car rotate a bit into oversteer and then drive it around the bend on the throttle, it works quite well when you get the hang of it and can be fun.

Not sure how it is on a controller -I'm using a wheel- it might be a very different experience perhaps.

Old skool hemi
26-05-2015, 16:01
As said many times, the Ford Focus has very sloppy and boat-like handling. Not only that, the FFB for this car is also shallow and faint (no road feel etc.). I also have the same experience with the Renault Megane.

I wonder if there is something missing (a bug) with these cars. There is another (I forget) H-Shifter car that handles poorly as well...maybe a trend here?

i agree with what your saying mate. It seems you cant post a comment without moderators and wmd members backs going up.. the handling on some cars handle like life like but others not. I owned a e39 m5 and it handled good. On the track it would understeer with it being a heavy car which is understandable.. now my gripe is, i know its not a racecar on slick tyres but i could push my m5 resonably well and feel comfortable doing so.. Yet an 1m which is lighter and feels nimble through the corners which would out handle my m5 handles ridiculous... it understeers way too much. I know its a game but some cars handle some cars dont.. its fact. Nothing to do with getting use to a car you should be able to drive a car round a track at moderate speed and handle it unless your an inexperienced kid or a oap. In the game When your car oversteers it snaps too vigorous and cant correct it. Even a rwd roadcar its the same. Sadly this isnt realistic, yes when you have pushed it over the limit the steering is "sometimes" very hard to correct. Im by all means no race driver but ive owned high performance vehicles all my life so i can give you a verdict on car handling for roadcars but sadly its way off. Dont reply with "this is a racing game" because they shouldnt of added roadcars then.. im not slating the game its my opinion. I get sick of developers moderators and wmd members not letting people voice their opinions and thinking they know best. Its alright having lewis hamiltons brother and a le mans driver help develop the game but what experience do they have with roadcars? So let us voice our opinions and views because i bet theres quite a few on here who own high performance cars who can give advice, feedback and views not just keyboard players.....

cluck
26-05-2015, 16:11
"some cars" is a little different to "all cars" though and that is what I fundamentally disagreed with you on :). As for the roadcars in the game, I have tended to only drive the more track-focussed ones (Ariel Atom and the like) so I can't comment on most of the others. But I've done many many miles in the McLaren F1 and the RUF RGT-8 in the game and they are both a lot of fun "out of the box" :).

Old skool hemi
26-05-2015, 18:04
"some cars" is a little different to "all cars" though and that is what I fundamentally disagreed with you on :). As for the roadcars in the game, I have tended to only drive the more track-focussed ones (Ariel Atom and the like) so I can't comment on most of the others. But I've done many many miles in the McLaren F1 and the RUF RGT-8 in the game and they are both a lot of fun "out of the box" :).

yes i know what your saying. At the end of the day i dont want to rant and bicker its a good game and i enjoy it. Everyone has other opinions and i get that, alot of mods and wmd members (not all) are clicky and have a tunnel visioned mindset and dont let people have their say before piping up and removing threads and posts... i dont post often but im tired of how people cant ever give an opinion and mostly see the same old pc nerds and fanboys posting funny stern comments to beginners who generally ask for help. (They know who they are). Back on topic yes the mclaren f1 is a fun car to drive....

k.merse
26-05-2015, 19:51
What controller are you using?
I just tested the car with default set-up on Snetterton 300 and can't see where your 'no grip at all' is coming from. Even on cold tyres I can easily get it around corners, taking into account that the car doesn't run on slicks so overdriving it is easy. The car has a good amount of lift-off and power oversteer which both help with cornering. Also grip during acceleration is fine for me, but when coming out of corners you need to be gentle with the throttle because of the aforementioned power oversteer.
I'm using a wheel, all driving aids turned off and the BAC Mono seems to struggle far more than any other car, the Mustang included, when you accelerate from low speed. And it tends to lose a lot of front grip in the middle of the corners. I was struggling a lot with it in Brands Hatch, then I switched to a RUF and made 2 seconds faster laps than with the BAC, even though the RUF has far more understeer.

Doug914
26-05-2015, 22:58
I hate driving the Ford Mk. IV and McLaren F1.

Try the alternate tires for the Mclaren F1. I built those because i didn't like the car on the defaults either :)

Doug914
26-05-2015, 23:00
I'm using a wheel, all driving aids turned off and the BAC Mono seems to struggle far more than any other car, the Mustang included, when you accelerate from low speed. And it tends to lose a lot of front grip in the middle of the corners. I was struggling a lot with it in Brands Hatch, then I switched to a RUF and made 2 seconds faster laps than with the BAC, even though the RUF has far more understeer.

Again, try the alternate soft track tire for it if you don't like it or it keeps you from driving it. I put both tires in to cover all driving expectations.

cloakdeath
27-05-2015, 00:53
Formula A is the only car that feels like a toy...I don't think the physics engine can handle simulating it alongside all the other cars.

MULTIVITZ
27-05-2015, 01:10
Formula A is the only car that feels like a toy...I don't think the physics engine can handle simulating it alongside all the other cars.

You guys don't know the half of how good some of these cars can get. Some are truly scary when sorted. I love the sounds that much I drive in chase view. Sad aint it lol

yusupov
27-05-2015, 02:31
Try the alternate tires for the Mclaren F1. I built those because i didn't like the car on the defaults either :)

there are alternates for the F1??? wouldnt dream of using them myself but i could swear the only tire available was "mclaren F1"

btw, you seem like the guy to ask for this, any chance of historical tires on the formula rookie?? pleeaase???

could_do_better
27-05-2015, 06:54
Formula A cars are the pinnacle of motor sport that actually means they have more grip, better handling and are therefore relatively easy to drive, BUT driving fast and reacting in race situations are a different matter altogether.

The handling consultants all love the formula A and B and commented on their handling being spot on with their real life experience.

danowat
27-05-2015, 07:57
there are alternates for the F1??? wouldnt dream of using them myself but i could swear the only tire available was "mclaren F1"

There aren't, at least in the PS4 version.

The Caterham Classis is quickly becoming my favourite car in the game, once you've got it set up right, and got your head around how it drives, it's great, I can stick 1-2s into the AI on 100 in it, even in the rain I can beat them!.

I also like the RS500, demands a different style of driving, really doesn't like to turn in, so I found you need to turn in early, aim it at the apex and power out, one of those cars that slow-in, fast-out is the best way to drive.

cloakdeath
27-05-2015, 22:10
Formula A cars are the pinnacle of motor sport that actually means they have more grip, better handling and are therefore relatively easy to drive, BUT driving fast and reacting in race situations are matter altogether.

The handling consultants all love the formula A and B and commented on their handling being spot on with their real life experience.

Interesting!

CRU5557
27-05-2015, 22:33
300 SEL absolutely! Its like a driving the evil piano!

gpk99
28-05-2015, 02:32
BMW GT3 car..what a pig that was to drive...I wanted a Ginetta....oh well

Nahkamarakatti
28-05-2015, 04:07
Its weird to see cars like 300 SEL to be mentioned in "worst handling cars" thread. The Merc and a few others are the only ones with true progressive feeling built in.

Many cars in pCars feels way off but my vote goes to Focus RS which should be an absolute dream to drive. You really shouldn't have to setup the car to make it feel good.

Joni Varis
28-05-2015, 04:26
I must say the 300 SEL is on my "hate" list aswell. It just feels like driving a boat, massive bodyroll & understeer combined with horrible brakes. Car was likely just like that irl too, afterall it is very heavy car with old technologies, still doesnt make it any more fun to drive. Another car really dont like much is BMW Z4 GT3, i know a lot of peoples thinks its great, but i just never got along with it too well. Its not like its hard car to drive, but there just is something baked on to its charasteritics that doesnt suit my driving style at all.

CRU5557
28-05-2015, 04:53
Of course Im love to sail my 300SEL ship down by nordschleife river, in the rain... its fast as hell ;)

MrTulip
28-05-2015, 06:15
Love/hate the MkIV too. When you lower the coastal differential and preload it becomes a much more easier to turn into a bend but ever more twitchy at the same time. It gives a really good view into bias ply tyre differences in handling.

Twitchy, sloppy, difficult... ...FUN! :D

bringmetheapex
28-05-2015, 07:05
That's basically what everyone whose ever had the chance to drive an F1 car has said. Oh it's fast, but OMG the brakes.

Go back and re read what he put.....your so desperate to defend apparent criticism of the game (it wasn't your paranoid), you read it wrong... F1 cars have AWESOME brakes....

bringmetheapex
28-05-2015, 07:09
As said many times, the Ford Focus has very sloppy and boat-like handling. Not only that, the FFB for this car is also shallow and faint (no road feel etc.). I also have the same experience with the Renault Megane.

I wonder if there is something missing (a bug) with these cars. There is another (I forget) H-Shifter car that handles poorly as well...maybe a trend here?

Well Shift 2 didn't do FWD very well either so i fear PCars has inherited some of that from its older sister.. shes better looking though..

hkraft300
28-05-2015, 07:13
Anyone find the Audi R18 disagreeable ?
I want to love the car... I want to make it competitive against the LMP1-H spec cars (RWD and Marek)... But it's tormenting me

Neil Hopwood
28-05-2015, 07:17
Go back and re read what he put.....your so desperate to defend apparent criticism of the game (it wasn't your paranoid), you read it wrong... F1 cars have AWESOME brakes....


defensive much. I was agreeing with you.

bringmetheapex
28-05-2015, 07:24
So you agree F1 cars have amazing brakes?

Neil Hopwood
28-05-2015, 07:35
So you agree F1 cars have amazing brakes?

Damn right they do. Turn 12 at CotA is a hell of a thing to see. 210 down to 70 in 100 yards is pretty cool to watch.

Sparky28
28-05-2015, 09:49
Aston Martin rapide just can't get it to do what I want even with setup changes its so fat a lazy

bringmetheapex
28-05-2015, 10:27
Damn right they do. Turn 12 at CotA is a hell of a thing to see. 210 down to 70 in 100 yards is pretty cool to watch.

Good, ok, i apologise then for not getting what you meant first time.

jgaganas
28-05-2015, 11:17
MK IV... can't drive that thing (but looks/sounds awesome anyways).

Noobhunter1
28-05-2015, 14:45
Caterhams and the Bac Mono certainly need some time to master but if done so are quite enjoyable.

Basically any Ford variant seems dull to me.

Question: Is there an option (class) to drive the Bac Mono or the other road cars in career besides invitational events?

Microcosmix
28-05-2015, 15:25
Again, try the alternate soft track tire for it if you don't like it or it keeps you from driving it. I put both tires in to cover all driving expectations.

Holy moly! What a diffrence the supersofts made on the BAC, I now like the car :) you say you made them? Are they made up or real tyres one can use IRL. Becuse i really like them and it would be a shame if they where "made up from imagination", maybe a stupit question, but i dont know alot about car tyres.

Im gonna try this on multiple cars now I disliked so far. Thanks for the tip.

could_do_better
28-05-2015, 20:07
They are made up to some degree, they are a simulation not steel and rubber after all, but what you have to know about @doug914 and many of the other developers is he was a top class race driver in the US for many years and has also been involved in 'sims' for a heck of a long time, there really isn't a better mix of experience in any other dev team.

I always lol when people post about how it should be and what is realistic, believe me if any one knows @Doug914 does, it's been a pleasure to learn from his posts over the last 3 years.

It's a complex simulation, it's difficult or GT, FM would also be doing it this well, it takes time to tame any control system with so many degrees of freedom, and it will continue to evolve as the team learn and improve. SMS have committed to at least 2 years of incremental improvements, sit back, enjoy the ride and see how much value for money you feel you've had in 2 years time. My €50 spent 3 years ago is quite simply the best money i have ever spent on anything. The community was worth the price without cheery on top, the game.

Kruleworld
29-05-2015, 04:10
The Caterham is difficult I found, very poor handling.
poor handling you say? It's pretty good for a motorcycle....
205080

I admit i didn't like it's feel despite all the motoring journalists saying how brilliant it is. also didn't like the Ford GT40, which is a shame as i wanted to like it.


@doug914 and many of the other developers is he was a top class race driver in the US for many years
always good to hear they have real world passion for racing as well as sim.

jgaganas
07-06-2015, 11:17
MK IV... can't drive that thing (but looks/sounds awesome anyways).

After I learned to drive/love the GT-40, I'm changing this to the Focus RS (which feels pretty detached under throttle).