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kwithey
01-06-2015, 10:16
Ok, i am in a very very bad mood right now. and so bloody angry at the game. Ok, so i have loved the game had nothing but positive things to say. How ever tonight? well it may have all just changed. Driving the M1 BMW procar at Zolder first year of a season mode. first thing that goes wrong: Every time i make a new set up and return to the pits to tweak it, everything is reset right away i can't save a set up. every new session it resets too. the car is undrivable around zolder for me at least with its stock set up which has a high rear brake bias. now, i did not find this silly thing out until after practice. because i went out in Qualy and well kept crashing due to the rear flipping around. OK! so i was pretty hot with this bug. because i spent some time getting my set up right and it was all lost. After some time re trys, i got set up back and got pole! Race time. and of course setup resets, i just changed brake balance and added some rear wing, of course the car wasn't right for me but i was going ok. until i caught a little too much curb like i had been doing in practice and qualy but avoided in the race. it unsettled the car i spun. and yeah, ended up getting T-boned.

I restart the race only go for a 3 lap race. lap two light rain. lap 3 heavy rain. now comes the time i lost all my temper got super angry and rage quit, lost the race and gave up in all honesty i am at a point where i don't even want to play again because of what happened. Seeing as it was raining so hard i had to slow down, it had gone from light rain to bloody monsoon in a few seconds. this is the bit that got me and put me to the point where i am now. The A:I Of course were not effected by the huge rain down pour. the changeable conditions. the A:I were just as fast, nothing changed. A:I leader actually set the fastest lap. So i finished last due to being banged into like it was a online race with people who don't care. and yeah i have just given up. :mad:

I know it is pretty extreme reaction for just one race, but with other bugs issues and the A:I acting hopeless and tapping me off. it is getting frustrating. I know people are getting worse bugs and issues too, and i don't want to bash at people because, yes the game is beautiful, and i am enjoying it lots of the time. i have had some good moments. but these bad moments take lots away especially with something this frustrating. I know patches are on their way, and of course many updates and new things and features. and it takes time especially when the game is a little rushed out. but you know, some nights just needs to be vented.

Sankyo
01-06-2015, 10:20
Set-up not loading and AI strength in the rain are known issues.

OppaErich
01-06-2015, 10:21
Yep, career has become pointless. Ah well, DiRT Rally 'til it's fixed.

Bealdor
01-06-2015, 10:23
Hang in there kwithey! the devs are on it.

In the meantime, as a workaround for the M1 Procar race @Zolder start on rain tires. The race is short enough to maintain enough grip on the wets even in the dry.

Psychomatrix
01-06-2015, 10:38
Ok, i am in a very very bad mood right now. and so bloody angry at the game. Ok, so i have loved the game had nothing but positive things to say. How ever tonight? well it may have all just changed. Driving the M1 BMW procar at Zolder first year of a season mode. first thing that goes wrong: Every time i make a new set up and return to the pits to tweak it, everything is reset right away i can't save a set up. every new session it resets too. the car is undrivable around zolder for me at least with its stock set up which has a high rear brake bias. now, i did not find this silly thing out until after practice. because i went out in Qualy and well kept crashing due to the rear flipping around. OK! so i was pretty hot with this bug. because i spent some time getting my set up right and it was all lost. After some time re trys, i got set up back and got pole! Race time. and of course setup resets, i just changed brake balance and added some rear wing, of course the car wasn't right for me but i was going ok. until i caught a little too much curb like i had been doing in practice and qualy but avoided in the race. it unsettled the car i spun. and yeah, ended up getting T-boned.

I restart the race only go for a 3 lap race. lap two light rain. lap 3 heavy rain. now comes the time i lost all my temper got super angry and rage quit, lost the race and gave up in all honesty i am at a point where i don't even want to play again because of what happened. Seeing as it was raining so hard i had to slow down, it had gone from light rain to bloody monsoon in a few seconds. this is the bit that got me and put me to the point where i am now. The A:I Of course were not effected by the huge rain down pour. the changeable conditions. the A:I were just as fast, nothing changed. A:I leader actually set the fastest lap. So i finished last due to being banged into like it was a online race with people who don't care. and yeah i have just given up. :mad:

I know it is pretty extreme reaction for just one race, but with other bugs issues and the A:I acting hopeless and tapping me off. it is getting frustrating. I know people are getting worse bugs and issues too, and i don't want to bash at people because, yes the game is beautiful, and i am enjoying it lots of the time. i have had some good moments. but these bad moments take lots away especially with something this frustrating. I know patches are on their way, and of course many updates and new things and features. and it takes time especially when the game is a little rushed out. but you know, some nights just needs to be vented.

I had the same scenario. But with the lotus 98. So at the end I started with.rain tires. Because it was the only chance to win that race. Races under changing conditions are at the moment not fun to drive

kwithey
01-06-2015, 12:30
it is good they are known. means they can be fixed. just still gets you ticked off a bit. would be damn hard in the lotus too! :( thanks for the Wets tip. will give it a go when it happens again. I hope the fix is coming soon. especially for the setup issue. I feel sorry for the dev's as they have lots of work to do, i am not saying that because it is bad, but because of three platforms to sort out bugs on. must be lots of work. and just if devs are reading, i hate writing angry posts, because i know they worked so hard on the game and have pasion. :) but ti does help getting it out hehe! :p

Rippo
01-06-2015, 12:36
After 20 hrs of gameplay I'm sure this game is not finished yet. They released it only because they already postponed two times the release date and couldn't do it another time. Let's just hope they will actually fix the bugs.

kwithey
01-06-2015, 12:40
Yeah, they did say they were going to release and add features, which makes me think unfinished. :( but sadly that is how the industry works these days. such a rush. and now that games can be patched it means they can fix things later get the release sooner. :( still they are doing a bloody fine job with a new ip.

townnet
01-06-2015, 12:59
Now question is when the patch coming?

Bealdor
01-06-2015, 13:02
Now question is when the patch coming?

There's a patch coming soon (it's already in QA phase). No promises that all of your mentioned problems are fixed with it though.

loslogo
01-06-2015, 13:06
I understand the frustrations, I've also put career on hold untill things like the AI performance in the rain is sorted. Once everything is polished though this is going to be one hell of a game.

townnet
01-06-2015, 13:07
There's a patch coming soon (it's already in QA phase). No promises that all of your mentioned problems are fixed with it though.

This month, June?

Joeri Blootacker
01-06-2015, 13:08
Yup, a patch is coming soon, no worries.
and as most probably already know, the dev's will be doing patches and extra features/content for the next 2 years to come. unlike many other games ;)

it will only get better and better :)

loslogo
01-06-2015, 13:09
Can't wait:)

Joeri Blootacker
01-06-2015, 13:11
Can't wait:)

+1 (and probably quite a few thousands others as well :D )

Bealdor
01-06-2015, 13:13
This month, June?

It's no guaranty but this one sounds promising:


We're just finishing internal testing now and will 'send it on' soon.

The list is pretty extensive and we've also managed to work in some good performance improvements.

LordDRIFT
01-06-2015, 15:27
I think the settings being reset is the probably in the top 3 of most infuriating bugs right now. Having to FFB setting reset as well only adds salt to the wound.

For me:

1. Settings being reset
2. AI in the Rain and /or my tire performance in the rain
Distant 3rd. Erratic AI (Not usually a problem until im driving the mk1 escort).

I haven't gone online yet so i'm not sure what awaits me there.

Thomas Heineman
01-06-2015, 15:33
There is an insane amounts of varibles in pCars. While it can be frustrating at times, the devs is on it and im sure, if feedback is constructive, you will see patches adressing most of the issues going forward :)

There is a genuine wish from the developers as it is from the wmd members to make this game the best it can be.

justonce68
01-06-2015, 15:49
Frustrating I know, I had a black screen momentarily whilst leading at Spa in a career race, and had to retire to pits due to damage, ended up losing the championship by a few points due to it, I could have restarted but couldn't be bothered, the way I look at it, I have months maybe years to do a career so I don't stress to much about it, fixes will come along. I could blame the game , I could blame my internet.
All In all the game is fantastic so I live with things until they are fixed, if they have already been registered as bugs.
Or take a chill pill, the game is to good to just quit.

Mahjik
01-06-2015, 15:52
After 20 hrs of gameplay I'm sure this game is not finished yet. They released it only because they already postponed two times the release date and couldn't do it another time. Let's just hope they will actually fix the bugs.

Hope? There is no hope, it's happening. The AI lead has been posting here the last few days with updates on what he's working on. There is no hope; there are happening.

OppaErich
01-06-2015, 16:17
I think the settings being reset is the probably in the top 3 of most infuriating bugs right now. Having to FFB setting reset as well only adds salt to the wound.

For me:

1. Settings being reset
2. AI in the Rain and /or my tire performance in the rain
Distant 3rd. Erratic AI (Not usually a problem until im driving the mk1 escort).

I haven't gone online yet so i'm not sure what awaits me there.

Just like me. Kinda funny how that one developed. The first 25-30h were no problems (or I didn't notice LOL), then it was every now and then and was a matter of 'check and correct' and then the settings worked. Now it's like always and correcting the setup doesn't 'stick' 'til the qualy/race. Well, they call it bugs, this one really seems a living being. :D

Schnizz58
01-06-2015, 16:24
Just like me. Kinda funny how that one developed. The first 25-30h were no problems (or I didn't notice LOL), then it was every now and then and was a matter of 'check and correct' and then the settings worked. Now it's like always and correcting the setup doesn't 'stick' 'til the qualy/race. Well, they call it bugs, this one really seems a living being. :D
Not a bug. The game is so realistic they're modeling someone sneaking into your garage and sabotaging your setup, lol. You just need better security. Seriously, this one along with the rain AI issue seem to have gotten high priority and I'm sure a fix will come along quickly.

LordDRIFT
01-06-2015, 16:26
Just like me. Kinda funny how that one developed. The first 25-30h were no problems (or I didn't notice LOL), then it was every now and then and was a matter of 'check and correct' and then the settings worked. Now it's like always and correcting the setup doesn't 'stick' 'til the qualy/race. Well, they call it bugs, this one really seems a living being. :D

So True. I've pretty much started skipping practice or just doing a couple laps , quitting practice , making my best guess at what tweaks the car needs, going straight to qualifying and accepting the results. Its funny how many more "issues" the game initially had until the major ones slap you upside your head then you realize in comparison it was just nit picking.

Thomas Heineman
01-06-2015, 16:31
To be honest. This bug is awful! Never reported during testing though. I agree savegame curruption is no1 mother of all bugs needing to be fixed asap!

My code without programming know how;

When starting game:1. Check if starting after chrash - if "working" then backup last save to 2 and go to 3; else go to 2.
2. Load last working profile save - declare "working" and go to 1.
3. Execute game

Hmmm

Even ingame a save would be needed to be doubled me thinks...so when loading after playing the 2 would be the latest possible...

Not being rude but atleast a safe save would be needed im sure

SpeedLimitUnknown
01-06-2015, 17:22
It's especially frustrating to me that a lot of these issues are due to a lack of gameplay tuning and not necessarily 'bugs' in the traditional sense.

Mahjik
01-06-2015, 17:30
It's especially frustrating to me that a lot of these issues are due to a lack of gameplay tuning and not necessarily 'bugs' in the traditional sense.

Rome wasn't built in a day. ;) On a serious note, SMS is working very hard to bring the type of simulation drivers want as well as the one 'they' (being SMS) want to play. It's a tall order with a relatively small studio. Not to say there isn't room for improvement, but a few weeks from now and these initial headaches will only be a distant memory. ;)

Thomas Heineman
01-06-2015, 17:49
Savegame curruption is a no no, no matter what. This should never have happened see simple code above. No excuse at all. It is simply sms fault to not have a simple backup for that. To have all settings in one file and it being that vounerouble is ....

During testing we had to delete our profile with every patch so this issue we could never have found...

Kitt
01-06-2015, 17:59
Just like me. Kinda funny how that one developed. The first 25-30h were no problems (or I didn't notice LOL), then it was every now and then and was a matter of 'check and correct' and then the settings worked. Now it's like always and correcting the setup doesn't 'stick' 'til the qualy/race. Well, they call it bugs, this one really seems a living being. :DGot 90 hours in before this bug developed,was really starting to enjoy career as well.Happens to me in practice,and qualy,and then gets carried over to the race.

Thomas Heineman
01-06-2015, 18:01
:( devs...

Just wish we had a chance to spot this. However i am confident the devs will fix it... Sounds like some kind of memory bug to me...

OppaErich
02-06-2015, 14:14
Not a bug. The game is so realistic they're modeling someone sneaking into your garage and sabotaging your setup, lol.
Could be, I've fired the nut dropping the nuts. :)

@Devs: Thanks for this one, I had a blast when it happened.

UMadBro
02-06-2015, 15:06
Hey guys, I have a great idea! Don't release a game until it's polished! Really, I mean no offense, I was only joking.

Sankyo
02-06-2015, 15:12
Savegame curruption is a no no, no matter what. This should never have happened see simple code above. No excuse at all. It is simply sms fault to not have a simple backup for that. To have all settings in one file and it being that vounerouble is ....

During testing we had to delete our profile with every patch so this issue we could never have found...

Please stop blaming the devs for stuff, assuming that it could all have been so easily prevented while having no idea about the complexity behind it. Hindsight is such a wonderful thing to use to slag off people. Unfortunately it doesn't help anything and only makes the devs stop listening to you.

dyr_gl
02-06-2015, 15:28
I think the settings being reset is the probably in the top 3 of most infuriating bugs right now. Having to FFB setting reset as well only adds salt to the wound.

For me:

1. Settings being reset
2. AI in the Rain and /or my tire performance in the rain
Distant 3rd. Erratic AI (Not usually a problem until im driving the mk1 escort).

I haven't gone online yet so i'm not sure what awaits me there.

1- My wheel starting to turn like crazy 1 out of 3 times I go from a session to a menu.

dyr_gl
02-06-2015, 15:31
Please stop blaming the devs for stuff, assuming that it could all have been so easily prevented while having no idea about the complexity behind it. Hindsight is such a wonderful thing to use to slag off people. Unfortunately it doesn't help anything and only makes the devs stop listening to you.

Yes, letīs blame aliens instead.

And if your (our) devs stop listening people that critizises their work, fire them and find new ones, as that means they arenīt interested in pushing the project even further.

RomKnight
02-06-2015, 15:56
There is criticism and there is bashing (because of ignorance). wrt to that "stop listening" I thing you're missing much on this forum.

"let's blame aliens". Did you even bother reading Remco's the full sentence or are you just trying to stir something?

kwithey
03-06-2015, 03:56
I had the same thing, 20ish hours before the save game bug hit me with setup. one thing i don't get is why there is only 1 save for each track with each car for each track. Like, why not have it so you can save multiple setups for the track and car like other racing games? I like to fine tune my cars and that means sometimes i like to have more than one set up. with the system as it is now i can only have one set up choice. which sucks when you like to tinker and test different set ups.

As i said devs are doing fine, but a bug such as AI that are super fast in the rain, or set up's changing on you without knowing because the save just randomly changes things in a racing sim is not a good thing and needs to be fixed super quick. the M1 procar is almost undrivable to me with a high rear break bias and every time i go to drive in the championship mode in career it switches to that :p so crash.

Thing is the set up does not go back to the default i find it just goes wonky and changes everything randomly. -_- It is good to hear a patch is on the way. Don't be too hard on the devs, these bugs happen and being the game is on three different platforms they have made hard work for them selves. :(