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ZiggyUK
18-06-2015, 23:02
ofc going back to our other thread this is were TrackIR is an enormous aid if you can afford it.

Gopher04
18-06-2015, 23:57
If you want to sit behind the BMW for god knows how long before you can pass on the left be my guest, but you could be there along time, most people can't even see their wing mirrors in their cockpit view, so approaching on left wouldn't make a spot of difference, just got to rely on good observation skills from that driver and maybe a nod to say where you are, and to be honest the BMW has a very good interior mirror.

ZiggyUK
19-06-2015, 01:20
This is getting soporific ....

If you are in a LMP1 coming up on a LHD GTE vehicle then "in theory and in nearly all cases, depending on the drivers awareness, depending on whether the driver has had enough coffee and red-bull, depending on whether the driver is turning a corner, depending on whether it is day or night and lights are working, depending on the drivers race craft, depending on whether he is in the cockpit or external camera, depending on whether they have chosen to use one of those horrible virtual mirrors, depending on whether he is a dick or not" then it is safer to past them on the LHS then the RHS.

and Vice versa for a RHD Vehicle of course

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falcon2081
19-06-2015, 01:25
So have I missed anything good? Sucks that I am working out of town for another 3 weeks UGH!:(

PerFixAlot
19-06-2015, 06:38
This is my setup for the Bentley Speed 8:
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And here is a little practice session I had in the BMW V12 LMR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od-k8_gBFMs

The setup is shown at the end.

Driving it is very similar to the Bentley Speed 8. The BMW has a higher top speed (330+ Km/h), but you have to break a fraction of a second earlier, and even with a little more downforce it seem to struggle more through the Porsche curves.
The radiator settings was at the default 50%, but I tried later with 40% without the temperature going too high, it can probably even be set lower.

BumperCarrotNL
19-06-2015, 09:29
What lap times should i be driving in the Mclaren?
i am dring comfortable 3:42:*** but the fastest lap today was 3:40:005 which i can beat.
with an average of 3:45:*** on a 5 lap race with a little bit o traffic on the first lap

BumperCarrotNL
19-06-2015, 12:13
What lap times should i be driving in the Mclaren?
i am dring comfortable 3:42:*** but the fastest lap today was 3:40:005 which i can beat.
with an average of 3:45:*** on a 5 lap race with a little bit o traffic on the first lap

so now my fastest lap is 3:39:339
comfortable 3:40:700-3:41:500
and average lap time of 3:41:800
average 6.91 L Fuel
it also seems like the AI (100%) is verry slow as i am 10 sec in front of the #2 after 5 laps (i did start pol position but he overtook me in the 2nd corner so i sad behind him till the first chicane) but i know TGC is a lot faster than 100% AI drivers

Martin G Webb
20-06-2015, 11:31
Quick post for Pete

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As I said, it's bigger than my size 44 Sparco's

Westbeef
20-06-2015, 16:12
Going with the N CC this week fellas, don't feel comfortable enough with my new wheel to mix it up with you guys :) Next week hopefully.

spides
20-06-2015, 18:19
might do the NCC one too myself guys

Blackvault
20-06-2015, 18:28
Quick post for Pete

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As I said, it's bigger than my size 44 Sparco's

Looks a fair size Martin.

I might order one once I've moved house.

Pete

t0daY
20-06-2015, 18:54
doin also this sunday the NCC race, not feeling very comfortable at le mans, next general race im in :)

PerFixAlot
20-06-2015, 19:07
so now my fastest lap is 3:39:339
comfortable 3:40:700-3:41:500
and average lap time of 3:41:800
average 6.91 L Fuel
it also seems like the AI (100%) is verry slow as i am 10 sec in front of the #2 after 5 laps (i did start pol position but he overtook me in the 2nd corner so i sad behind him till the first chicane) but i know TGC is a lot faster than 100% AI drivers

I haven't tried the McLaren yet, but your times seems to match with my Mercedes-Benz CLK LM times.
I don't know if one should be faster than the other, but judging by the leader boards the two are fairly close.

It felt rather different from the LMP1s I have mostly driven lately, so I did a little 50 lap race to get familiar with the CLK LM, here's a video of the first 10 laps, the rest of them are linked in the description, and the setup is shown at the end of part 4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r69wXc3oQHM

PerFixAlot
21-06-2015, 07:36
Well, I gave the F1 GTR Long Tail a spin. I do indeed find it almost identical to in lap times to the CLK-LM, though I have the feeling there is potential to tweak a bit more out of the setup on the McLaren.

Here's a video of a full tank stint I did with the F1 GTR, again with the setup shown at the end:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUAhUwyMlZ8&feature=youtu.be

It seems to manage 1 lap more on a full tank than the CLK-LM, but even though the tire wear is less for the McLaren I felt that it the handling is worse after 10-12 laps than the CLK-LM.

Iceman07
21-06-2015, 08:00
Hey guys, greetings from the austrian formula 1 GP ;)

Is someone else there?

Martin G Webb
21-06-2015, 08:43
Hey guys, greetings from the austrian formula 1 GP ;)

Is someone else there?

Sorry Iceman the UK authorities won't let me leave, or wouldn't let me back in, not sure which but I hope you have a great time.

As for the GEN session tonight, we ran a few laps with the Speed 8 around Le Mans, some of the guys weren't impressed but I enjoyed the car and I love that circuit. I think Alex S managed a 3:31 at some point which I found impressive.

Elmo
21-06-2015, 09:10
We go for a solid 18 lap race tonight (~60 minutes of driving)

Due to the length of the track, no warmup lap. Instead we get the formation done before the Mulsanne straight (the long one) and start before the first of the chicanes.

FlyingKman
21-06-2015, 09:39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDgAojJEVhA

found this as a must watch on my you tube, watched it and wow i must share it. amazing video made me wana play project cars till 5am this morning.

spides
21-06-2015, 09:56
come on PCars fix all the hiccups! so it's the best sim out there! :D , quite an epic video, it does fill you with energy to race! had seen it on the LeMans weekend i think someone had linked it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDgAojJEVhA

found this as a must watch on my you tube, watched it and wow i must share it. amazing video made me wana play project cars till 5am this morning.

FlyingKman
21-06-2015, 09:57
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz7vNb24I7Q

Le Mans Lap and explaining, MUST WATCH

Papa H
21-06-2015, 11:32
goin to try and make this race , how many Drivers are racing?

Will Fly
21-06-2015, 11:37
back from Portugal
see you all on track

Elmo
21-06-2015, 11:45
goin to try and make this race , how many Drivers are racing?

Would be surprised if we are less than 20 :)

Cleps
21-06-2015, 11:53
I ll try to be there. With the BMW. Knowing that my best time was 3.35.6

Twiggy145
21-06-2015, 11:54
Who's planning to drive what? I'm expecting to see a lot of Bentleys tonight

Elmo
21-06-2015, 11:57
I'll take the Merc or the McLaren to boost the numbers in that group

PerFixAlot
21-06-2015, 11:59
I was thinking of going with the Bentley, but I can drive any of the other cars if it makes for a more diverse field.

What conditions are we going to race with, dry and daylight?

Elmo
21-06-2015, 12:27
I was thinking of going with the Bentley, but I can drive any of the other cars if it makes for a more diverse field.

What conditions are we going to race with, dry and daylight?

We will see - going to do some tests prior to the race.

How did the new fixes for the pit stops work out? Do you get the correct tires and pressures now?

Gopher04
21-06-2015, 12:38
We will see - going to do some tests prior to the race.

How did the new fixes for the pit stops work out? Do you get the correct tires and pressures now?

I tested that out a few times last night Elmo, seemed no problem this end, unless I was dreaming thought this race was going to be 90min?

Elmo
21-06-2015, 12:42
I tested that out a few times last night Elmo, seemed no problem this end, unless I was dreaming thought this race was going to be 90min?

Indeed thought about 90 minute race - but then decide against it, since after 60 minutes I can imagine the field being pretty spread out on this long track.

Would prefer a smaller track for our next 90 minute race.

Puffpirat
21-06-2015, 13:01
I'll take the V12 LMR. That engine :cool:

Zsolt Benczedi
21-06-2015, 13:07
I'll be driving the Mclaren, see you tonight

Laurens Van Rossem
21-06-2015, 13:10
I'm in (if all goes well) Probably in the Bentley

Timmynator
21-06-2015, 13:12
Any quick setup tips for the BMW V12? Not sure if I'll make it, but won't have time to practice either way...

PerFixAlot
21-06-2015, 13:35
Any quick setup tips for the BMW V12? Not sure if I'll make it, but won't have time to practice either way...

Go back a few pages, I posted a video with my setup: http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?29178-%26%239762%3B-TGC-GEN-The-Gentlemen-s-Club%99-Non-League-Race-Area-%26%239762%3B&p=1001606&viewfull=1#post1001606
Here are some screen shots of the setup anyway:

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Timmynator
21-06-2015, 13:37
Thanks. Must've missed that, just saw your Bentley setup...

Puffpirat
21-06-2015, 13:38
Zero DF, final drive one click longer and the front springs one click softer. Haven't changed more than that till now but I can post my setup later if I find time and change anything more than that :)

Edit: double ninja'd, guess screens are better than words ;)

falcon2081
21-06-2015, 14:31
Someone record the race! Want to see some good racing.

ZiggyUK
21-06-2015, 14:37
Yeah it would good to see some video's folks

Laurens Van Rossem
21-06-2015, 14:55
I'll try to stream the race

TonyR
21-06-2015, 15:35
Me too. www.Twitch.TV/TonyR600

TonyR
21-06-2015, 16:00
Me too. www.Twitch.TV/TonyR600

Edit: btw. if Zsolt takes the McLaren I'll be competing in it too. Still don't like these only on aero dependent Le Mans cars :D :D

(Edit: Oh, nvm, that wasn't the Edit button haha)

STINGER_LP
21-06-2015, 16:07
Hello guys. So who is gonna be tonight at Le Mans (especially the other PNCs)? I was really looking forward to race with you in Bentley Speed 8 - I love this track, love this car, managed to set the time of 03:39:031 during the practice with other NCCs and PNCs. But there is a really nice combo for tonight's NCC race and a lot of guys are up to it. So if in tonight's Le Mans race will be only TGC members then I probably shouldn't mess your race guys, since this will be my first TGC-GEN race then.

Stevie_F
21-06-2015, 16:36
Hello guys. So who is gonna be tonight at Le Mans (especially the other PNCs)? I was really looking forward to race with you in Bentley Speed 8 - I love this track, love this car, managed to set the time of 03:39:031 during the practice with other NCCs and PNCs. But there is a really nice combo for tonight's NCC race and a lot of guys are up to it. So if in tonight's Le Mans race will be only TGC members then I probably shouldn't mess your race guys, since this will be my first TGC-GEN race then.

I shall be attending tonight as a PNC graduate so you won't be on your own

Elmo
21-06-2015, 16:38
Don't worry about it Stinger. There will surely be others and if not, you get all our attention ;)

STINGER_LP
21-06-2015, 16:50
Don't worry about it Stinger. There will surely be others and if not, you get all our attention ;)
That's what I'm afraid of :D


I shall be attending tonight as a PNC graduate so you won't be on your own
Good, now with an attention down to 50% I feel a little bit more comfortable :D

OK, so race will start at 19:00 UTC and we should be in TS/lobby for at least half an hour beforehand, right?

javoresku
21-06-2015, 17:01
Only got my PNC status on Thursday and I haven't practiced since then. I'll miss this one and will drive with the NCC guys.

Laurens Van Rossem
21-06-2015, 17:11
So I did a lap to get a feel for the car... How can you make the Bentley do tights corners? It doesn't feel like it's understeering, more like it just has an enormous turning radius :(

Elmo
21-06-2015, 17:21
OK, so race will start at 19:00 UTC and we should be in TS/lobby for at least half an hour beforehand, right?

Yeah, it would be convenient to be there a bit early, so we can clear up last minute questions.

I'll be online in a few minutes hosting a practice session.

STINGER_LP
21-06-2015, 17:23
So I did a lap to get a feel for the car... How can you make the Bentley do tights corners? It doesn't feel like it's understeering, more like it just has an enormous turning radius :(
Speed 8 can be a pain in the ass at first, but be patient, feel it and get your tires up to temp - then it will do whatever you tell her and how you want it. During one of the practice sessions at Le Mans after 5 consecutive laps I was able to improve my time only at sector 1 by about 0.8 sec each 4-5 subsequent laps on a warmed up tires.

NemethR
21-06-2015, 17:44
Hello guys. So who is gonna be tonight at Le Mans (especially the other PNCs)? I was really looking forward to race with you in Bentley Speed 8 - I love this track, love this car, managed to set the time of 03:39:031 during the practice with other NCCs and PNCs. But there is a really nice combo for tonight's NCC race and a lot of guys are up to it. So if in tonight's Le Mans race will be only TGC members then I probably shouldn't mess your race guys, since this will be my first TGC-GEN race then.

Me, I'll be driving the BMW

Elmo
21-06-2015, 19:04
TS is down. Trying to get it running again. hold on tight

Elmo
21-06-2015, 19:09
It is back

Laurens Van Rossem
21-06-2015, 19:17
game crashed during start again...

Gopher04
21-06-2015, 19:28
That's me done for trying to race for awhile, if we can't even do a formation without people just stopping dead on the track what's the point, once we start moving there shouldn't be any reason to just stop.

By the way Ziggy those top hats look stupid.

PerFixAlot
21-06-2015, 19:46
game crashed during start again...
The same happened for me.

ZiggyUK
21-06-2015, 20:21
That's me done for trying to race for awhile, if we can't even do a formation without people just stopping dead on the track what's the point, once we start moving there shouldn't be any reason to just stop.

By the way Ziggy those top hats look stupid.

That is good I thought you might not be able to tell what the icon was as it is just 16x16.

Topsie
21-06-2015, 20:33
Well for my first PNC race -that was hard as hell. No ones fault, but it rained 90% of the race. Several pit stops later, i could not find my groove as I did in practice. Few spins = hopefully didn't hinder any lappers, and some terrible lap times:)

Stevie_F
21-06-2015, 20:36
Results for the race

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ZiggyUK
21-06-2015, 20:37
TS Down again folks :(

falcon2081
21-06-2015, 20:39
Props to Tony for streaming the race. Surprisingly this slow hotel internet connection was able to hold. I told him he would finish Top 5 and he exceeded my expectations with 3rd place. Great driving there Tony, listen to me more lol!:cool: Weather was a bitch in this race. Noticed the formation lap was messed up like Gopher said. Seems some people need to work on their situational awareness at the start as I literally saw Tony being pushed into a guardrail and get aero damage. He got spun out almost off track too in the first chicane in one of the laps while leading in a battle for 6th I believe. Some BMW went way too deep into the brakes. Second half of the race was a snooze fest with the rain and pit strategy but overall I enjoyed it. The race made my boring Sunday into a fun one. Can't wait to come back in 2 weeks and start racing again!

Zsolt Benczedi
21-06-2015, 20:40
Great race with Twiggy for fourth place, pitty was way down on power on straits but managed to get back on braking and corners. Over all experience ruined by buggy pitstops and weather settings, but i guess wasn't the only one.
Thank everyone who participated and made it to the end.
See you next time;)

Timmynator
21-06-2015, 20:48
Well, the rain certainly mixed it up somewhat :) Spent the last dry laps trying to keep my wets' temps at a reasonable level...

What I found is that you need good situational awareness in those LMP cars. Seems like BMW V12 has huge blind spots left and right, I mostly only knew someone was there because I glanced them in the RVM and saw them going left or right or through my "spidey-sense". Looking back didn't help, if you're lucky you'll see the trailing edge of someone's wing there.

Seems like pit stops once again caused confusion. I understand the fuel replenishment option and that you can't take fuel out of the car. However, a (additional?) delta slider might offer an easier approach to the "I need X kg of fuel" conundrum. Apparently there were some appearances of "gave me some random (default?) fuel amount" / full tank - I wasn't affected, but currently it seems the only way to get a halfway reliable pit strategy is to delete any car-specific one and adjust the default pit strategy accordingly.

MelBonkers
21-06-2015, 20:49
Was a fun race. Although a pitty the rain took almost 90%-95% of the race. Spun in the first lap at Mulsanne corner and rejoined as last of the pack. Had some great battles with Yorkie in the last 6 or so laps. Performed three pitstops: first one to change to wet tires quite late. As my rears were heating up considerably I thought I got slicks, so pitted for a second time for rain tires. The rears overheated again, so I continued untill in the last 4 laps or so the rain stopped and the track dried. I was chasing Yorkie when I saw him pit. First I wanted to continue, but pitted at the last moment as well. The last 3 laps I had a great battle with Yorkie: going side by side through Dunlop chicane, overtaking on the inside at Mulsanne corner and Indianapolis. Was just sweet.

NemethR
21-06-2015, 20:56
Thank you Guys for tonight, this was my first GEN Race.
For the [TGC] part I really enjoyed it, but unfortunately the pit stop bug/issues ruined the race for me.

Long story short (well, not-so-short):
I started around 13th place, at the end of lap 1 I was in 4th place, and was there till the rain came, I drove a few laps with slicks in the beginning part of the rain,
until the car became unstable, I calculated so, that if I do 1 more lap, and fill the car to full with fuel, then I can do it with 1 stop.
So I did another very careful lap, and was goint into the pits.
Set tires to Wet, fuel to 90l (max), and closed the window.

I come out of the pits, no fuel was added, in the 1st corner I already knew I still had the slicks...
I did another very careful lap, wanted to make room for someone at the Porsche curves, but I spun out into the barrier, had to reverse, car was damaged.
Ok, no issue I needed to go into pits anyway... Set full fuel again, extreme wet tires.

I come out of the pits car was repaired, refueled, tires were changed. All good... Well, not.
Before the Mulsanne straigh the rear-left was red, I check, and while driving in straight, my tires go up-up-up 120-130-140C...

At the end of the mulsanne straigh I had fronts at 160C, and rear at 160C, so I tought extreme wet would overheate, I slowed down, and was going into the pits again...
Changed to wet. Guess what...
At the end of the Mulsanne straigh, my fronts were 155C, and the rear 160C, I decided I don't care, I am in 19th place (out of 22), so I just continue with the cooking tires. /I was really disappointed at that moment/

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That I did, the next 10 laps, my tires were constantly around 155-160C, but I managed to climb up to 10th place, in the last 2 laps I tried to catch FlykigKMan,
closed up on him to 0.7sec at Indianapolis, and then in the right hander after Indianapolis I spun. :D (congrats KMan)

Apart from the pit-issue, the race was hell of a lot of fun (was suprised tough, that there was no night time racing),
I thank all of you guys very much, and hope to race with you next time also.
Well, no wonder, My favorite car, one of my favorite tracks, and great guys to race with.

note to Elmo: Sorry about that braking at the end of Mulsanne, I already tried to overtake you before the 2nd shicane, I was easily outbraking you there, but did not want to make the move, and risk a collision. But since I knew, that I can outbrake you, I guessed you will have to brake earlier into the 90 dergree right, then me, so I have overtaken you, and then smashed the brakes after, I was thinking you will be braking by that point anyway. Seems like not. But thankfully your car was not damaged. Sry again.

Elmo
21-06-2015, 21:11
No worries Nemeth, enjoyed the race, was quite challenging. Best of the Mercedes :onthego:


For Wednesday I already have something in mind:


208617 Battle of the Brits 208617

Aston Martin V12 Vantage GT3 vs. Bentley Continental GT3 vs. Ginetta G55 GT3 vs. McLaren 12C GT3

@ Oulton Park International


A 90 minute race with real weather!

KamyKaze1098
21-06-2015, 21:12
That means rain. #Britishweather :P

ZiggyUK
21-06-2015, 21:15
That means rain. #Britishweather :P

oi what you implying :mad:

JUST KIDDING MATE

NemethR
21-06-2015, 21:25
No worries Nemeth, enjoyed the race, was quite challenging. Best of the Mercedes :onthego:


For Wednesday I already have something in mind:


208617 Battle of the Brits 208617

Aston Martin V12 Vantage GT3 vs. Bentley Continental GT3 vs. Ginetta G55 GT3 vs. McLaren 12C GT3

@ Oulton Park International


A 90 minute race with real weather!

Well, I love Oulton park, and I like the McLaren... But overtaking wil be really hard there. :)

Puffpirat
21-06-2015, 21:26
What a great race this was :) Thank you Alex for the good fight!

I managed to get a good start and was second after the first chicane following Yorkie. We had a nice fight till the start of lap 2 when I could slip by on the straight. It was interesting between the Bentley and the BMW. The Bentley was strong in the Porsche curves and the BMW had the better top speed. Acceleration was quite similar.

I had the same idea as Nemeth, made that important one more lap on the slicks and luckily got filled up so I could make it to the finish. Couldn't really relax until I knew Alex wouldn't make it without an extra stop. Got lucky there with the BMWs fuel consumption :)

What I wanted to say before TS crapped out after the race: Refuel problems aside, it's really helpful to make different strategies for different tires. That can make a difference during those long races. This time I had a soft slick and wet tire strategy with differing tire pressures. It just takes some stress out of the pitstops :)

Yorkie065
21-06-2015, 21:27
So I struggled to enjoy my race for the most of it. Started in first and got a clean get-away with the launch, although it may have been a tad confusing due to the TS lag as to when I was actually going. Lead the first lap before Puff managed to slip past down the Mulsanne straight. Believe he was running no wingle angle at all. Then alex salmon passed me on lap 3, again down the Mulsanne. Tried to keep up within a second which I managed to do for a number of laps, with NemethR about 11 seconds behind. Then the rain came!

Decided to pit early and jump onto the intermediates to see if I could undercut the front two as they were struggling a little more than I was on the slicks. On my out lap, spun coming out of Tetre Rouge and hit the wall. Also had some more moments and quickly realised I was on the wrong tyre, with damage. Decided to pit and go full wet this time and had better grip until I made a mistake going through Mulsanne chicane 2 and had to stay to the left of the exit curb which I think I brushed and spun into the wall again. 3rd stop, no fuel, new wet tyres and thats when I started getting the over-heating issues. Didn't seem like the traction zones were too much of an issue but it was going through final sector and 1st sector of the lap. Extended turning just cooked them which made it very frustrating. Either way, managed to tidy up my driving a bit more and push to gain a number of places. Had some good battles with Mo and pulled off an amazing over-take around the outside through turns 2 and 3 (video is uploading now).

Eventually it started to dry out, decided to throw on some slicks with Mo pitting right behind me, repair any damage I had and specifically told the strategy to not put anymore fuel in...so it filled me up to 86 litres *rolls eyes*. Came out on track and continued battling with mo and a couple of other people to eventually finish in 13th as mo pipped me on the last lap to take 12th. The 3 guys (at least) were on wets still I believe, and whilst we were catching them, it wasn't enough. Overall a frustrating experience with a lot to learn from it. Would have been better if the pitstop strategy isn't soo messed up, gave people the right tyres and at the right temps and pressures, but thats a different subject all together. Look forward to the next one, and shall post the over-take when I get it uploaded.

Stevie_F
21-06-2015, 21:30
No worries Nemeth, enjoyed the race, was quite challenging. Best of the Mercedes :onthego:


For Wednesday I already have something in mind:


208617 Battle of the Brits 208617

Aston Martin V12 Vantage GT3 vs. Bentley Continental GT3 vs. Ginetta G55 GT3 vs. McLaren 12C GT3

@ Oulton Park International


A 90 minute race with real weather!

Sadly I'm in work till 19:00 UTC on Wednesday so will not be able to make it, and may not be able to join a few following Wednesdays as I'm covering for someone at work. Sunday's are a go though so I'll catch you guys then.

Puffpirat
21-06-2015, 21:39
Lead the first lap before Puff managed to slip past down the Mulsanne straight. Believe he was running no wingle angle at all.

I actually ran 1/1 DF :) but the Bimmer just has some 10-20kph advantage over the Bentley.


Decided to pit early and jump onto the intermediates to see if I could undercut the front two as they were struggling a little more than I was on the slicks. On my out lap, spun coming out of Tetre Rouge and hit the wall. Also had some more moments and quickly realised I was on the wrong tyre, with damage.

Ah that's what happened, I was wondering where you been after the pitstop.

Yorkie065
21-06-2015, 21:50
Here is the video of that overtake on Mo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9WmANsQjAE&feature=youtu.be

Papa H
21-06-2015, 22:06
went from 5th to last because of the games pitstops dont work,

FlyingKman
21-06-2015, 22:07
Was a good race but the rain on such short notice was a curve ball, but a challenge indeed. i started last position and by the time we heard a laggy go go go i pushed hard and worked my way up. watching ppl battle it out while giving them space till i saw twiggy and i followed him till he pitted then i looked at my position and i got a fright... 3rd place WOW.

i then was a brave monkey and tried to ride slicks in the rain till i could not anymore, riding 7sec out of my pace i then pitted and selected wet and what did i get.... slicks... rode then around was very challenging then pitted again and it gave me wets YAY at that time i was then pushed back to about 12th place. Then started the do not look at my position and RIDE remembering Hobs telling me consistency is better and only looked at lap times and before i new i was 8th.. this was exactly when i got the team speak horror... kman im coming for you, O NO!!!! im on WETS the rain is GONE and i have a NEMETH coming for me and coming at a pace i will not match counting now not my times but the amount of laps remaining asking the leaders what lap are you on where are you??? i managed to hold on to my position Nem spun out my inner self was rejoicing and wow what a relief haha. BUT Nem as u spun out i went out in the rough looking back at you and was stressing to get my car back on the road without spinning.

What a challenge. Thanks to all and well raced and keeping it as clean as we could in the wet.

Twiggy145
21-06-2015, 23:05
Great race with Twiggy for fourth place, pitty was way down on power on straits but managed to get back on braking and corners. Over all experience ruined by buggy pitstops and weather settings, but i guess wasn't the only one.
Thank everyone who participated and made it to the end.
See you next time;)

It was some great racing we had. You were in a different league in the corners (especially at the start of the lap, you would pass me) but usually by the end of Mulsanne or Indianapolis i would be back past :D. The rain made things very interesting. I'm rahter annoyed at my start. I missed the breaking point for the first chicane and went into the gravel and was some like 15th. When it started raining i spun on the start/finish straight loosing further places. Oh well Lessons learnt.

It seems that when you change the ammount of fuel for you stop going into the pits it keeps the previous settings every time. So will either put no fuel in at all or fill the tank. Very annoying and needs fixing asap. It would also be very useful to have a delta fuel fill (Litres to add) rather than just a point to fill to. Therefore if you have 20 litres in the tank and want to have 20 more you put 20 in the delta rahter than 40 in the fuel. This was it makes it easier to plan your fuel stops. Becuase say you go a lap longer and need a lap extra of fuel you can just add this to your delta rather than the full fuel load.

EDIT. (reply to Kman)

Kman, it was great racing you in that portion of the race. I hope for more battles with you in the coming races

NemethR
21-06-2015, 23:21
Aston Martin V12 Vantage GT3 vs. Bentley Continental GT3 vs. Ginetta G55 GT3 vs. McLaren 12C GT3


@ Oulton Park International


A 90 minute race with real weather!

Elmo, no disrespect, but I think, that because so many people had issues with that pit stop bug, I would suggest,
that till its fixed, we do not use changeable weather.
This is just my opinion, but I am almost sure, others would agree, at least those who had issues.

Neil Bateman
22-06-2015, 00:07
Cant remember how many times i pitted, 4 or 5 i think, but either had no tyres or wrong tyres, no fuel or too much fuel, really cant get my head round why when you create a pit strategy you dont get what youv'e asked for.

Kinda turned into a non event really as most of the time was alone on track, spun a few times while on wrong tyres, problem is you have no clue which tyres were fitted and no way to check when youv'e left the pits, spinning out is your only clue.

blackduckrun
22-06-2015, 02:03
I wrote a more detailed description of my race, but hit the back button and lost it.:chargrined: Anyhow, I don't know if it was just racing with you guys again, but I rather enjoyed the race, despite a scruffy start and and the extra pit stop I had to make. And call me crazy, but I enjoyed the rain and was a bit sad when it stopped, especially as I came out of the pits on fresh wets just as people were asking if it was ending. I managed to nurse the tires along without overheating them too much and brought it home 6th from dead last at the start.

It would seem to me that the way the rain works at this point in time is that the intensity of the rain is directly proportional to how wet the track is and there really isn't any drying out period. So once the rain stops, the track is dry immediately, it doesn't slowly evaporate over then next few laps. Is this correct, or am I missing something?

Paul R

Elmo
22-06-2015, 05:17
Elmo, no disrespect, but I think, that because so many people had issues with that pit stop bug, I would suggest,
that till its fixed, we do not use changeable weather.
This is just my opinion, but I am almost sure, others would agree, at least those who had issues.

Some of the issue I think are just down to the Pit Strategy being quite confusing and hit a few people unprepared. I'll try to make a little tutorial and than we can investigate which parts of it work and which don't.

I exactly got the tires and the fuel I asked for (after pitting a second time since my pitbox was occupied, but the message just popped up when it was already too late to leave the pit entrance).

PerFixAlot
22-06-2015, 07:30
It sounds like you guys had an interesting race, any videos coming up?

Like Elmo, I haven't had any pit stop issues lately, apart from not having enough time to make changes when needed, but I haven't spent a lot of time in online races.


Since my game crashed, and I was really disappointed I couldn't take part in this, I ventured into the wilderness of public races.

Beating the AI on Le Mans is just not very satisfying, and I really wanted a bit more of a challenge, so I went looking for lobbies with LMP1s to race against in the Bentley.
Lo and behold, I found one, and it had the optimal lap numbers possible for trolling the wannabe speed freaks in a classical hare vs tortoise scenario.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPBC4G-wsg4

I got lucky, the 2nd guy was potentially 7 seconds faster per lap, so he could be 1:20 minus the pit stop ahead. But I was counting on the faster cars battling it out a bit more and making a few more mistakes, and as long as I was less than 30 seconds behind I didn't push too hard or fight much, so in the end I still had a 17 second lead.

Tricky
22-06-2015, 08:49
A 90 minute race with real weather!

Are all of these one-off events going to be ~90 minutes, I'm only really up for races up to 45-60mins :(

Timmynator
22-06-2015, 09:11
Tricky, since you're on of our fast lappers: wouldn't that be a good opportunity to practice managing a race over distance? I understand that 90 mins of hotlapping might become demanding since it requires a lot of concentration each lap, but that's not really the point of our races, is it?
I quite liked our 90 min not-Suzuka race, it was a whole different challenge to stay consistent while reasonably fast instead of churning out fastest lap after fastest lap (not my strong suit, in case you hadn't noticed ;) )

Or is your concern based on the amount of time you're available?

TonyR
22-06-2015, 09:17
Tricky, since you're on of our fast lappers: wouldn't that be a good opportunity to practice managing a race over distance? I understand that 90 mins of hotlapping might become demanding since it requires a lot of concentration each lap, but that's not really the point of our races, is it?
I quite liked our 90 min not-Suzuka race, it was a whole different challenge to stay consistent while reasonably fast instead of churning out fastest lap after fastest lap (not my strong suit, in case you hadn't noticed ;) )

Or is your concern based on the amount of time you're available?

The thing is, if Tricky is fast on 60 min he won't be slower in 90 min. It just means he will be roaming around alone for 30 additional minutes ;)

I like 60 min better, too. 90 min can get boring and also my chair really kills my back after an hour.

Neil Bateman
22-06-2015, 10:21
I dont mind 90 mins now and then but 60 mins is a good amount of time to race, if you add all the practice time on top its a couple of hours or so in the seat.

Heck when i was a little younger i competed in and won a Daytona 500 online event, with practice, qualy and then the race the whole thing took about 4 and a half hours.

Elmo
22-06-2015, 10:36
Man up peeps :)

I'll try to have a good mixture of longer and shorter races. I'm sure at some point we throw a 2x 30 minutes feature in as well.

Timmynator
22-06-2015, 10:45
The thing is, if Tricky is fast on 60 min he won't be slower in 90 min. It just means he will be roaming around alone for 30 additional minutes ;)

I like 60 min better, too. 90 min can get boring and also my chair really kills my back after an hour.

Sounds like you need a better chair then ;)

Roaming alone for 60/90 minutes is a problem I really can't fathom. If being out in front gets too boring, drop back - if you're fast enough to run 60/90/however many minutes virtually alone, you're fast enough to reclaim first and retain your precious podium.

Come to think of it, that might actually make for better competition: if our usual frontrunners get bored in their hotlappers, they might choose one of the slower/worse cars and try to compete in those. If those are still too fast - increase the restrictor and make them artificially "more even". Heck, even running default setup on some cars might already do the trick. I believe Elmo regularly sticks to one of the slower classes to battle it out mid-field instead of running alone somewhere...

That said, I understand that you'd prefer 60 minutes while I'd like to go for the whole shebang of 90. ;)

Papa H
22-06-2015, 11:07
Some of the issue I think are just down to the Pit Strategy being quite confusing and hit a few people unprepared. I'll try to make a little tutorial and than we can investigate which parts of it work and which don't.

I exactly got the tires and the fuel I asked for (after pitting a second time since my pitbox was occupied, but the message just popped up when it was already too late to leave the pit entrance).

i couldnt agree more, was having a fantastic race till the weather went belly up, i have used pitstop strategy before and its very hit or miss

NemethR
22-06-2015, 11:57
Man up peeps :)

I'll try to have a good mixture of longer and shorter races. I'm sure at some point we throw a 2x 30 minutes feature in as well.

On the other hand I would prefer some endurance races....

2.4 hours of Spa, or something :D (2 hour 40 minutes, day/night, multiclass)

Neil Bateman
22-06-2015, 12:08
Sounds like you need a better chair then ;)

Roaming alone for 60/90 minutes is a problem I really can't fathom. If being out in front gets too boring, drop back - if you're fast enough to run 60/90/however many minutes virtually alone, you're fast enough to reclaim first and retain your precious podium.

Come to think of it, that might actually make for better competition: if our usual frontrunners get bored in their hotlappers, they might choose one of the slower/worse cars and try to compete in those. If those are still too fast - increase the restrictor and make them artificially "more even". Heck, even running default setup on some cars might already do the trick. I believe Elmo regularly sticks to one of the slower classes to battle it out mid-field instead of running alone somewhere...

That said, I understand that you'd prefer 60 minutes while I'd like to go for the whole shebang of 90. ;)

Good idea, run a slower car if your too fast.

On the flip side, if your too slow can you run a faster car;)

Elmo
22-06-2015, 13:35
On the other hand I would prefer some endurance races....

2.4 hours of Spa, or something :D (2 hour 40 minutes, day/night, multiclass)

When everything is a bit more solid online we will do exactly those

TonyR
22-06-2015, 15:30
Here comes my short race report:

- The start was horrible. People choose the wrong sides and didn't accelerate when Elmo called green (if you couldn't hear it just floor the throttle when everyone else does ;) )
- Also there was some unnecessary contact (I have pointed it out in the timestamps down below).
- pit stops are a mess for varying conditions. If you know exactly how and when the weather will change it's ok. But if you have to react to something it's just not working.
- The McLaren GTR Longtail is a dream of a car. FFB und behaviour feels so realistic
- Rain tires however seem to not be made for light rain, hopelessly overheating (didn't try with high pressure but since 2 Bar would be the maximum anyway after a pit stop, I don't think it gets any better with that)
- cut track rules are worthless (but they are being worked on AFAIK)

The first 20 min of the race were quite eventful for me, the rest was pretty dull because I had nobody to fight with (Zsolt was 20 sec behind and P2 was 40 sec in front). I even considered changing to slicks again for the last laps however my Podium finish was more important for me at that moment :P



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHcpV490tpA

--- Timestamps --- (also in video description with links)
02:35 Start, big confusion here, people are on the wrong side, we have the rule of "odds on the left, evens on the right". Some don't seem to know this and obviously they can't hear what the race director is saying.
Also I got hit during the start from an over ambitious car which lead to a little 1% of aero damage (meaning a little less top speed)
Many overtakes in the next 10 minutes, just watch and enjoy it ;)
09:40 The car in front of me is quite slow so I have to avoid him but there is a third one also thinking the same. We touched and lost ground all together.
10:30 I get hit by a BMW which spins me around
15:50 I catch the two drivers who were around me earlier and they are still touching and crashing.
17:00 Going into the pits. Unfortunately I miss to set "change tires" to "yes", stupid me. Also the set fuel amount does only apply after the current pit stop (as I learned the hard way) so I needed to pit again the next lap.
The following lap is a ride on a razor blade as grip levels already declined quite heavily
21:30 Into the pits again
38:14 Overtaking Mo
42:50 Getting overtaken by Stevie
Nothing really happens for the rest of the race from now on, only that I have to think about changing back to slicks which I don't do in the end.
1:11:23 Finish and Results
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STINGER_LP
22-06-2015, 21:11
Well, I must say that this race was a really great experience for me! It was my first GEN-race and I decided beforehand that this one should be all about consistency and precision for me and not about proving anything to anyone except that I can race carefully and fairly. And I think that I accomplished that - I got my 15th place without a single full spun out and no major accidents during the race. There was a few mistakes though.

And I agree that the start was messy. The formation was quite eventful for me. At the very start (like a few guys in front too) I stuck trying carefully to get around the car in front that was not moving (Topsie, I think), then a few seconds later while I was trying to maintain the speed during the formation I was hit in the rear by BumperCarrot who was accelerating too much - we collided and were thrown in the wall, got some aero damage. After the Dunlop curve I was again behind Topsie and tried to tell him, that he should be on the left, but TS was lagging, so I just filled the gap on the left probably passing the frustration to the guys behind (but as TonyR's video showed the formation was already messed up in front). Then the race started and everyone gone mad :D

At the first approach to Playstation chicane I missed the braking point and now I bumped into BumperCarrot - sorry for that! - (Mistake #1) but we both managed to stay on the line and continue the exit from the chicane.

The rain and the pit stops did added some challenge too. First time I pitted after 4 or 5 laps to change tires to wet and fix that aero damage. Then in the second half of the race I pitted for the second time for refueling to get enough for the rest of the race (expecting this one to be the last pit stop for me). But after I came out of pits I saw I got no additional fuel. So I planned to come back on the next lap and tell everything to those pit stop engineers what I think about their work :) But later this lap I got another reason to visit them - I got my second incident at Playstation chicane - missed the exit of it and slightly hit the wall of tires with my front right (Mistake #2). The rest of the lap was a struggle with the car's damage. Pitted for the third time for fixing and fuel (kept silence and did not said anything to engineers).

A few laps later Playstation chicane tried to break me once again - again missing the breaking point on entry and locking the wheels I slided and did a 90-degree left skid in the middle of the curve but managed to get control of the car in time and returned on the line (Mistake #3). Avoiding spun out cars was another challenge - especially tricky was to avoid a spun BMW at the exit of Amage corner which was trying to get back on track - got me some satisfaction of my reaction time :)

Great race! Big thanks to all TGC staff and all participants! Looking forward for the next races.

P.S. I think Playstation chicane is trying to tell me something :D

ZiggyUK
22-06-2015, 21:17
Some of the issue I think are just down to the Pit Strategy being quite confusing and hit a few people unprepared. I'll try to make a little tutorial and than we can investigate which parts of it work and which don't.

I exactly got the tires and the fuel I asked for (after pitting a second time since my pitbox was occupied, but the message just popped up when it was already too late to leave the pit entrance).

I am guessing it has been mentioned somewhere but if you go into the pits and ask for the fuel tank to be filled up to the i.e. the 75kg mark then it will do this but not this time. It happens the next time you use the pits.

If the second time you set it to only i.e. 35kg then you will get the 75kg you entered last time and next pit stop you will get 35kg etc., etc.

ZiggyUK
22-06-2015, 21:20
Are all of these one-off events going to be ~90 minutes, I'm only really up for races up to 45-60mins :(

Tricky - if it is not a personal question can you please explain why. If you prefer to keep it out of the forum then you can email me your reasoning.

ZiggyUK
22-06-2015, 21:28
The thing is, if Tricky is fast on 60 min he won't be slower in 90 min. It just means he will be roaming around alone for 30 additional minutes ;)

I like 60 min better, too. 90 min can get boring and also my chair really kills my back after an hour.



Sprint Races: usually 20mins long

Endurance Race: A Race scheduled to have a minimum of 90 minutes duration, with mandatory refuelling.


Lets give Elmo some support guys :loyal:

We have always said that we shall extend races to full extent when we feel the title can cope with it. For example GTS league races will most likely be 2hr races in the future.

Topsie
22-06-2015, 22:00
Tricky - if it is not a personal question can you please explain why. If you prefer to keep it out of the forum then you can email me your reasoning.
Obviously not Tricky,but, Toilet breaks, drink refil, text to the missus, unexplained squirrel attack. But mainly...90 mins is a long time for a bathroom break:)

blackduckrun
22-06-2015, 22:16
I'm up for 90 minute races (or even longer), just not most Wednesdays.

Stevie_F
23-06-2015, 00:13
Just thought I'd post this here...

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Neil Bateman
23-06-2015, 00:18
Signed up today, thought i would have one of the first few, no chance its upto 300K already.

ZiggyUK
23-06-2015, 01:55
Obviously not Tricky,but, Toilet breaks, drink refil, text to the missus, unexplained squirrel attack. But mainly...90 mins is a long time for a bathroom break:)

TGC loves the IRL SIMULATION .... so p*ss in your pants wimp :cool:


ok let's go through these valid points one-by-one



Toilet Breaks

Well you should of gone before you sat down, did you learn nothing from you parents.

Before anybody tries to get smart - those inflicted with incontinence will have it already covered ... literally.

Keep a wide brimmed bottle near your seat or a bucket under it.




Drink Refill

Why do you not have it already next to you on the desk so you can take a drink along the straights? You do not NEED to get out of your seat to get a drink.

I personally have a Hydration Pack Bladder Water Reservoir with bite valve on a pipe. Can't say I have ever had to use it but it is there if I needed it. You can get a 5L for under £5
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ynnyDnMwL._SY300_.jpg
Falling that you could get a silly drink hat
http://image.ec21.com/image/playwinmegan/simg_GC04475306_CA04475312/Drinking_Hat_Thirst_Aid_Red_PL-2212.jpg maybe we should start marketing "TGC Hydration Hats" and make some income for ourselves :greedy_dollars:




text to the missus

Really, really !!!! so you are saying you need to report into your missus every hour - on the hour. Can you either set up a preprogramed button to push, put a prewritten txt to send into a timed schedule or grow some balls.

maybe those hats need to marketed as this after all
http://rlv.zcache.co.uk/under_the_thumb_cap-r07a3f1abf27e4548aabf2d68f6a26fdc_v9wfy_8byvr_324.jpgwith free T-Shirt http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/d/l96/m/m-ac92FaLd0-f4SvvOXR2Lw.jpg

Turn the damn thing of whilst you are racing boy ... it's only 90mins of your life.



unexplained squirrel attack

But we want you in a race when this happens ... most of the drivers would pee their pants listening to the commentary coming over TeamSpeak. If we were not in a race then there would be no chance of it being recorded and put up on YT for everyone to hear.





So there you have it .... problems sorted ..... let's get on with 90min races.


No NCC's or PNC's were harmed during the making of this reply :wink-new:

javoresku
23-06-2015, 05:16
So there you have it .... problems sorted ..... let's get on with 90min races.


I have another point - I am OK with longer races, but can they have a slightly earlier start? As of now It's 10PM start time for me (GMT +2 Timezone) and with a 2 hour race it's well past midnight before I can go to bed. And I have to get up at 6AM for work. The other possible solution (for me) is to run the longer races on friday or saturday evenings.

STINGER_LP
23-06-2015, 07:04
I have another point - I am OK with longer races, but can they have a slightly earlier start? As of now It's 10PM start time for me (GMT +2 Timezone) and with a 2 hour race it's well past midnight before I can go to bed. And I have to get up at 6AM for work. The other possible solution (for me) is to run the longer races on friday or saturday evenings.
Yeah, I support the idea of 90+ minutes races too, but I suggest for at least 1 hour earlier start. Can we schedule it for Saturdays or Sundays at 18:00 UTC?

PerFixAlot
23-06-2015, 08:12
About the next event, until yesterday I never raced on Oulton, apart from the early run-through-every-track I did a couple of years ago, so I haven't got a clue as to what a good performance looks like on this track.

I did a few practice rounds, played around with the loading some setups from other tracks, and did my first race against 90% AI last night. I got my ass kicked, but wasn't totally off pace.
This morning I did another race, and was starting to overtake them fairly steadily.

Here's a video of my first race, it ain't pretty:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvL48LMLc9g

And here's the 2nd one, an improvement, but still a couple of seconds slower than the top of the leader boards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbtoyVKhv_8
At 15:30 I push an AI into a barrier, but otherwise I think I managed to keep it clean.

Well, my question is, in GT3 cars, on most tracks, I fairly easily outrun the AI at 100%, but there are exceptions, so how are others doing on this track against the AI?
Also, it was mentioned in an earlier post that it will be hard to overtake, any tips on what areas of the track to focus on to improve overtaking?

TonyR
23-06-2015, 08:57
any tips on what areas of the track to focus on to improve overtaking?

Only passing opportunity I can think of is between the two chicanes.

For all other spots you need to be much quicker than your opponent.

btw. if I heard it correctly you don't use ABS, using this can improve your lap times quite a bit.

PerFixAlot
23-06-2015, 09:10
Only passing opportunity I can think of is between the two chicanes.

For all other spots you need to be much quicker than your opponent.

btw. if I heard it correctly you don't use ABS, using this can improve your lap times quite a bit.

Yeah, I turn all assists off when I practice a "new" track, so I have a better idea of where the limits are.
For an online race I will probably enable real assists.

Elmo
23-06-2015, 16:03
As promised my little Pit Strategy Guide. While doing this I also stumbled upon a bug that probably bit a lot of you last race (devs are already notified).

Short explanation upfront - What are Pit Strategies?
Pit Strategies are the planning for your pit stops. You define those plans before you enter the race. Those Strategies are globally valid and not specific to a car or track.

How to access the Pit Strategy?
During Free Practice, Qualifying and Warm-Up sessions you can access the Pit Strategy while being in your pit box. Highlighted in this screenshot:
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Overview
After accessing the Pit Strategy you will be in the Overview. It shows the different Pit Stop strategies you created (two in this example). By clicking on the ACTIVE boxes on the right you can select one strategy that will be selected by default when you pit.
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The Pit Strategy
Here you actually set the options for you pit stop. It has two pages CONSUMABLES and FIX DAMAGE:
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Fuel Refill - Here you set the amount of fuel you want to have after the Pit Stop
The name of this setting is a bit misleading. You don't set the amount of refill, what you set is the amount of fuel you will have in the tank after you are finished with the stop. In this example my car will be always fill until there are 110l in the tank. No matter if I arrive with 15 or 75 liters in the tank, I'll always will have 110 liters in the car in the end.

You may have noticed the grey bar - it shows the amount of fuel you have set in your current car setup. Unfortunately you can't set the fuel refill lower than this at the moment. If you know you want to have less e.g. only 50 liter after your pit stop, you have to use a little workaround. Set the fuel in your car setup down to 50 liters and than adjust and safe your pit strategy. After that you are free to change your car setup again, it won't change the fuel load in the Pit Strategy.


Change Tires - "Yes" will give you a new set of tires during the pit stop - "No" means you keep the current set (has also the benefit of keeping the heat in the tires, if you are in a series that doesn't have pre-heated tires)


Tire Compounds - this lets you select the type of tire you want to put on, when Change Tires is set to Yes. Two things are noteworthy here.

1. The names for the tire types can vary from the ones in the car setup, e.g. "Soft" instead of "GT3 Soft Slick". Also tires can be displayed that aren't available for this cars, e.g. "Extreme Wet" for GT3 cars

2. You can select different compounds for all four wheels of the car. It is a bit of an unknown if this actually works. To be safe make sure you take the same setting for all four of them.



Tire Pressure - this lets you set the Tire Pressure for each of the tires individually. It is unknown if this is only applied if Change Tires is set to Yes.

When creating a new strategy the game should copy the tire pressures from your current car setup automatically.


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Suspension - Here you can set if you want to have the suspension repaired for each corner of the car individually. My suggestion is to always set it to yes, since it only takes a few seconds Pit Stop time, but helps with handling and performance of the car a lot



Brakes - Here you can set if you want to have the brakes replaced for each corner of the car individually. My suggestion is to set it to No, since on most cars the brakes are much more durable than our usual race distance (e.g. GT3 car brakes should be good for 8-12 hours of racing). Beside saving some Pit Stop time you it has also the benefit that brakes aren't ice cold, when you leave the pit.



Aero - Here you can set if you want to have the areo repaired for the Front, Mid and Rear individually. My suggestion is to always set it to yes, since it only takes a few seconds Pit Stop time, but helps with handling and performance of the car. More importantly this also fixes radiator damage.


On the right you find the buttons for Save, Rename and Delete (self explanatory).


Pitting during the race

When you Pit during the race the PIT STRATEGY window pops up as soon as the AI takes over your car. It gives you four options.
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Edit Current - Edit your Active Pit Strategy during the race stop. Looks and works the same as the Pit Strategy you accessed in the pit box. Also don't forget to save and confirm otherwise the changes get discarded.

BUG WARNING: This doesn't work as intended at the moment online. When you change those settings they don't get applied in this pit stop. They will only be taken into account for the next stop. So for now we have to prepare Strategies for all the possible scenarios beforehand.



View Saved - gives you the selection of all your saved Pit Strategies and the possibility to change the active one. Looks and works the same as the Overview you accessed in the pit box.



Swap Driver - This will close the menu and let the AI takes over after the pit stop. Can be used during long races to give you a break. Use the Request Pit Stop button to guide the AI back to the pits and take over the car again.



Close - This closes the menu. You crew won't start working on your car until you closed the menu.



That is all I could think of at the moment regarding the Pit Strategy. Please give me feedback on this guide. After some honing it a bit I plan to release it in an extra thread for the public.

ExiZt3nc3
23-06-2015, 17:08
I think there always going to be the case for for people who prefer sprints to the longer 1hour+ plus. As well as start time problems. Me personally I prefer races that are less than an hour, and they need to start after 8pm UK time by the time Ive put my kid to sleep and get my own time. I understand others from different time zones and with different preferences want longer races, and so as long as we put on enough races there should be no reason we cant satisfy all the requirements. You are never going to please all of the people all of the time. But pleasing most of them most of the time is doable.

Elmo
23-06-2015, 17:47
As a reminder for Pete (and all the others):



For Wednesday I already have something in mind:


208617 Battle of the Brits 208617

Aston Martin V12 Vantage GT3 vs. Bentley Continental GT3 vs. Ginetta G55 GT3 vs. McLaren 12C GT3

@ Oulton Park International


A 90 minute race with real weather!

PerFixAlot
23-06-2015, 17:52
I just did a rain and fog practice, thing were ok for a while, but then after 6-7 laps it started to get twitchy and unstable, at 14-15 laps I could hardly control it.
Then I checked in profiler, it was already around 40% tire wear on the fronts. Is that normal for rain tires on this track?

ZiggyUK
23-06-2015, 17:58
@Elmo: Hi mate, can you repost your pit strategy in the [TGC-NCC] so the guys over there can see it. Obviously state this is for GT3 at Oulton but it is a good explanation.

Having it in the [TGC-NCC] thread will be really useful for now.

Cheers

MelBonkers
23-06-2015, 18:10
As a reminder for Pete (and all the others):

Damnit! I won't be there as I'm having a work appointment. Will join you next Sunday though: hopefully using my PST-1 pedals ;-)

TonyR
23-06-2015, 19:35
As a reminder for Pete (and all the others):

Which conditions will we be racing in? Quite important especially for tire pressures here. Tires getting quite hot in normal sunny afternoon conditions.

Elmo
23-06-2015, 19:36
Whatever the weather tomorrow is at Oulton :)

208878

Neil Bateman
23-06-2015, 19:44
Great post elmo, really useful.

Wojciech Siek
23-06-2015, 22:12
As a reminder for Pete (and all the others):

Hi! What will the time of the day and time progression be for the race?

Stevie_F
23-06-2015, 22:44
My POV of the Le mans Race, kind of a weird one. TS servers dying and a chaotic start led to an interesting race with miss-scheduled weather. Still a bunch of fun regardless! Can't make Wednesdays race but will be available for Sunday.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkzI31Qkzdk

Stevie_F

Neil Bateman
23-06-2015, 22:57
What i decided to do today was set up multiple pit strategies to test out pit stops.

I set these strategies up:

Dry tyres and fuel
Dry tyres no fuel
Inters and fuel
Inters no fuel
Wets and fuel
Wets no fuel
Fuel only
Splash and dash

Non of these have any fix damage, and the fuel is worked out based on the race i am doing, in this case 90 mins at oulton, only small adjustments will be needed on fuel amounts.

Now a couple of things i noticed, you cannot put a fuel amount in a strategy which is less than your tuning set up has, if you change the fuel to 1l in tuning set up, yes you can then go to your strategy and put in a small amount like i tried with the splash and dash which i tried 10l, but adding the fuel back in tuning set up then also changes the fuel to the same amount in your strategy, you can have more obviously.

What i have worked out is it is best to leave the default as the active strategy before the race, if you make lets say the tyres and fuel the active strategy before the race, you cant change that, you pit but you need to make quick changes which will be (edit Current), like if it rains just before you pit, any changes may not be saved as elmo pointed out in his tutorial, but as you come in you view saved and select the one you need you can make changes to that and it will be saved, so unless you have a strategy for almost everything which you can select as you pit you will be forced to edit current.

I think this is why a few of my pit stops have gone tits up, because i have had what i thought i needed as an active strategy for my first stop and had to make changes on the fly, then the changes were not saved.

So create your strategies to cover everything and always start the race with the default active.

Does this make sense?

Also is everybody already doing this and i am posting this for myself lol.

ZiggyUK
24-06-2015, 03:38
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Gertjan Arlar
24-06-2015, 10:07
Sorry for my ignorance. What are "we" racing tonight at Oulton ? That is if you guys wil have me. :)
I managed to squeeze my rig in the "Living room". My wife isn't to happy about it but the withdrawal effects where just to much. especially after the pCars 2 announcement.

Topsie
24-06-2015, 10:14
No worries Nemeth, enjoyed the race, was quite challenging. Best of the Mercedes :onthego:


For Wednesday I already have something in mind:


208617 Battle of the Brits 208617

Aston Martin V12 Vantage GT3 vs. Bentley Continental GT3 vs. Ginetta G55 GT3 vs. McLaren 12C GT3

@ Oulton Park International


A 90 minute race with real weather!


Here you go ^ :)

Nevil Wigbels
24-06-2015, 10:36
I practiced a little in the Aston Martin and try to be present tonight and thanks @Elmo for the pit strategy guide!

Gertjan Arlar
24-06-2015, 10:40
Thanks for the Info Topsie. I'll try to put in some practice for tonight. See ya laterz.
What time do we start? I'l keep up to date from now on (Sorry)

@Nevi.l it's been a while, Looking forward to racing with you again.

Elmo
24-06-2015, 10:54
19:00 UTC, that is 21:00 in the Land of Cheese and Clogs :)

NemethR
24-06-2015, 10:55
19:00 UTC, that is 21:00 in the Land of Cheese and Clogs :)

Decisions, decisions...
GT at Oulton, or Formula C at Watkins...
Ohh, I would do both. :)

RDogg
24-06-2015, 11:18
I can't attend as haven't done a Thursday session yet. But isn't Oulton a little tight for GT3 racing given the speeds they are capable of? I've struggled for space in Clio's there, let alone GT!


GT at Oulton, or Formula C at Watkins...

Swap them round! :P

TonyR
24-06-2015, 11:22
I can't attend as haven't done a Thursday session yet. But isn't Oulton a little tight for GT3 racing given the speeds they are capable of? I've struggled for space in Clio's there, let alone GT!

Swap them round! :P


Nope, for the speeds it's no problem (although you don't need 6th gear int he Aston haha), only overtaking is.
And I expect many crashes, the bumps on that track are really unforgiving.

Neil Bateman
24-06-2015, 11:30
What is a good race pace, i am around 1:33.3 after a few laps practice.

Yorkie065
24-06-2015, 11:35
I won't be along tonight. Feeling a lot more tired and drained and don't particularly want to spend my afternoon wearing myself out more trying to practice. The smallest of things saps huge amount of energy from me at the moment.

TonyR
24-06-2015, 12:21
What is a good race pace, i am around 1:33.3 after a few laps practice.

I think 32s throughout the race are possible. But it depends on the conditions we will get.

Gertjan Arlar
24-06-2015, 13:35
What car are you guys driving. Or better, what is the quickest car with the most stable base setup. A setup for the Car/Track combo would be even better;) (you can p.m. me if you don't want to share with the world).
I just need to get back into the game and lack the time to do some serious testing. I'm very rusty 1:36 with the McLaren

Thanks. Gertjan

Nevil Wigbels
24-06-2015, 15:16
I don't know, I prefer the cockpit interior of the Aston Martin when wearing the Oculus Rift, mainly because of the 'monitor mirror', that's very useful in VR. I didn't try the other cars. I just changed the tires to soft, no other changes to default so far (no time to practice).

Will Fly
24-06-2015, 15:21
What car are you guys driving. Or better, what is the quickest car with the most stable base setup. A setup for the Car/Track combo would be even better;) (you can p.m. me if you don't want to share with the world).
I just need to get back into the game and lack the time to do some serious testing. I'm very rusty 1:36 with the McLaren

Thanks. Gertjan

Gertjan im in the mcLaren as well
will be on 6ish i can give you some tips low 1,33s 60 L atm.

Gertjan Arlar
24-06-2015, 15:30
I'm going to race with the Mclaren then. I hope I make it in TS around 6.That is a hour before the race?

ZiggyUK
24-06-2015, 17:44
Guys I will let you know in this thread as it will most be the best way of doing it.

When you are in TeamSpeak you will see I have created channels that are for PCARS2 only discussions away from the listening ears of those that have not agreed to the T&C's of pCARS2.

Anyway once you have been made a member of the PCARS2 server group you can then assign membership to others so they may access those rooms. This has been done to take the workload off of Elmo & I. Please ensure any member you give the server rights to is definitely a signed up paid member of the PCARS2 forum - "if in doubt > keep them out".

Stevie_F
24-06-2015, 19:58
Would love to see a video or some screenshots of tonight's race when all is over as I couldn't make it!

Nevil Wigbels
24-06-2015, 21:22
It was good racing with you all again. Sorry to see so many drop during the race.. Still not sure what happened in the first lap between the 2 chicanes (I made no recording). I braked early, but still not early enough and hit the guy in front. Sorry! Apparently I was not the only one, but didn't gain or lose a position, so I carried on having a long and interesting race.
I had only made one pit strategy. Not flexible, but no surprises, wich worked out fine fortunately. I came in the pits as P1 if I remember correctly. Finally could drink some water. Fell back to P4 behind Pete who I had an interesting battle with until the end of the race. Thanks! I was really happy to make it till the end, because my left (brake) foot/leg was cramping... I have an icepack on it now :P

PerFixAlot
24-06-2015, 21:32
Would love to see a video or some screenshots of tonight's race when all is over as I couldn't make it!

I am uploading my recording here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkQyo0O_ML0

It should be done with the uploading in 90 mins or so, but then processing probably takes a couple of hours.

I'm not fast on this track, but usually I don't crash into any walls. I don't know why, but on this track I have really high levels of brake damage on the fronts, it was over 10% when I spun out in the 20th lap.
Then after pitting the pedal force feedback was suddenly 2-3 times stronger than usual and I had a hard time finding a good pace, then the brakes started wearing out again and I was struggling most of the race to find the right braking point and pressure.

Well, I was having a meh day, and the race fit well with that for me.
At least I managed to complete the race, last time I was quite worked up for it, and I didn't even make it past the loading screen, so I guess it is progress in a way.

As always, I enjoyed racing with you guys, despite having a hard time getting into the zone.

cluck
24-06-2015, 21:37
Was good fun, yep. A long race but I fought back from last place (I started 2nd), with 3 pit stops, to finish 7th. Managed a 1m34.019 lap whilst I was on my own early in the race. Car was default setup except for extra fuel so I was happy enough with that time, especially as I hadn't touched the McLaren before the race and have barely driven it before.

TonyR
24-06-2015, 21:38
It was good racing with you all again. Sorry to see so many drop during the race.. Still not sure what happened in the first lap between the 2 chicanes (I made no recording). I braked early, but still not early enough and hit the guy in front. Sorry! Apparently I was not the only one, but didn't gain or lose a position, so I carried on having a long and interesting race.
I had only made one pit strategy. Not flexible, but no surprises, wich worked out fine fortunately. I came in the pits as P1 if I remember correctly. Finally could drink some water. Fell back to P4 behind Pete who I had an interesting battle with until the end of the race. Thanks! I was really happy to make it till the end, because my left (brake) foot/leg was cramping... I have an icepack on it now :P

Yeah, a shame we lost so many people. I don't know why (?) because I had muted Teamspeak.

Some interesting battles, I loved the little fights I had with you Nevil and other guys.

Sorry for making contact with you Kman, I already told you I was not expecting you braking that early and I had no room on the left.
(when I upload my video later don't be surprised that I was a little bit angry at that moment haha, of course I know the one behind always is at fault too)

5 laps before the end I got our old friend "dip & flip" bug when i wanted to lap Pete, I couldn't steer properly anymore and touched the barrier slightly. However that seemed to have cured the bug and I could drive on with 9% Aero Damage. Having 40 sec advantage to P2 I just drove slower to not overheat the engine with the damage and it worked out nicely.

Gertjan Arlar
24-06-2015, 21:38
Thanks for a fun evening. Hopefully I'll be able to finish the race then,maybe I'll make it this Sunday see you later

Edit: well something went wrong with typing that anyway you get the point

TonyR
24-06-2015, 21:43
Fastest Laps ( Don't click on it, it's no video :D )

http://i.imgur.com/eUSSrbf.png

Race Results:

http://i.imgur.com/JcAlVQ3.png

cluck
24-06-2015, 22:10
'Play' button doesn't work on those videos Tony :(

(yes, I'm joking)

Papa H
24-06-2015, 22:42
was a fun race , nearly made it to half way, spun up the left rear tyre on the outside curb down the straight before the last turn, which launched me into the tyre wall,.........nothing i could do to keep hold of the car. I feel im getting to grips with these cars slowly but surely. Thanks guys for a good clean race. Messed around with the pitstop strategy, i think i understand how it works .....at last.

Roger

TonyR
24-06-2015, 22:55
was a fun race , nearly made it to half way, spun up the left rear tyre on the outside curb down the straight before the last turn, which launched me into the tyre wall,.........nothing i could do to keep hold of the car. I feel im getting to grips with these cars slowly but surely. Thanks guys for a good clean race. Messed around with the pitstop strategy, i think i understand how it works .....at last.

Roger

Oh, you have been in the Bentley?

You gave me a heart attack in the race because I made the wrong decision and wanted to get by your wreck on the right side :D

Neil Bateman
24-06-2015, 22:55
Absolutely gutted tonight, i was quite quick in practice, 3rd i think and my set up was fairly stable with heavy fuel.

I intended to run till about lap 45 or when my lap times dropped to much and was really enjoying the race after starting at the back.

Great battle with think it was puffpirat for 7th and we had just caught the leaders when my engine blew, dont know why as i did a test with the set up yesterday and it was ok.

Hopefully sunday will be luckier for me.

Blackvault
25-06-2015, 07:09
That was one of the most enjoyable races I've had in a long time, maybe its due to the fact I was in 2nd for a large portion of the race and finished 4th and on the lead lap. :)

The Bentley was a beast of a car around Olton and at times it felt that it was too wide for lapping cars, hopefully I didn't prove too tricky for anyone I passed.

I had a good scrap with JB Gamer and a few others in the early stages but unfortunately I spun at the hairpin and went from 8th to 14th but thankfully I made the places back the battle continued with JB.

My fuel consumption wasn't as high as I'd expected and I think I went to around lap 54-55 on softs and still had some 2 laps of fuel left. Going longer than I expected resulted in being fuelled way to much and therefore I think I lost out to 3rd place for being stationary for so long. Had I done more lift and coasting I could have possibly made on one tank of fuel and tires.

Edit - seeing Nevil, like my post, reminded me of the good battle with him in the closing stages. I just had no response to you before I pitted :( Good racing though.

I'll post my Profiler details up later tonight.

Pete

Blackvault
25-06-2015, 07:14
5 laps before the end I got our old friend "dip & flip" bug when i wanted to lap Pete, I couldn't steer properly anymore and touched the barrier slightly. However that seemed to have cured the bug and I could drive on with 9% Aero Damage. Having 40 sec advantage to P2 I just drove slower to not overheat the engine with the damage and it worked out nicely.

I can't say I noticed Tony, I hope didn't contribute in any way to the dip 'n flip.

Thankfully that stopped me from being lapped! :p

Pete

TonyR
25-06-2015, 09:40
I can't say I noticed Tony, I hope didn't contribute in any way to the dip 'n flip.

Thankfully that stopped me from being lapped! :p

Pete

Haha, yeah it did ! :D

You will see in the video I was still a car length away from you when the bug happened. It's the second time overall I get this (after our Suzuka race weeks ago), always in very long races.

TonyR
25-06-2015, 10:34
There is the video, Highlights as links in the video description, as always.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WRVZKowZFA

Dip'n'Flip bug occured at 01:27:28

Nevil Wigbels
25-06-2015, 10:57
Thanks for posting your video TonyR.

The post I wrote before (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?29178-%EF%BF%BD%EF%BF%BD-TGC-GEN-The-Gentlemen-s-Club%E2%84%A2-Non-League-Race-Area-%EF%BF%BD%EF%BF%BD&p=1013885&viewfull=1#post1013885) about issue between the chicanes was actually in race lap 3 (https://youtu.be/7WRVZKowZFA?t=525) and not race lap 1, strange how the memory works sometimes :P

Edit: @Cluck, my apologies for rear ending you there!

TonyR
25-06-2015, 11:03
Thanks for posting your video TonyR.

The post I wrote before (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?29178-%EF%BF%BD%EF%BF%BD-TGC-GEN-The-Gentlemen-s-Club%E2%84%A2-Non-League-Race-Area-%EF%BF%BD%EF%BF%BD&p=1013885&viewfull=1#post1013885) about issue between the chicanes was actually in race lap 3 (https://youtu.be/7WRVZKowZFA?t=525) and not race lap 1, strange how the memory works sometimes :P

Edit: @Cluck, my apologies for rear ending you there!

Well, things like that seem to happen more often at this corner :rolleyes:

I like how Elmo solved the problem, sneaking on track again :D

Gopher04
25-06-2015, 11:20
Elmo Always has the luck of the Irish..and is sneaky.

Tony, you can't blame someone if they brake earlier than you, and they don't have to leave room for you either because of it, it's up to you to anticipate their braking...also really bad rejoin by yourself, the cars coming upto the chicane basically came to a stop which could of caused mayhem.

Neil Bateman
25-06-2015, 11:47
A question to those who record the race live from onboard and include ts chat.

What do you use to do it, does it impact on gameplay as far as fps and smoothness, also what file size does it create and do you convert video before uploading.

I have used various programs for recording saved replays but file sizes have been huge and take forever to upload.

PerFixAlot
25-06-2015, 12:01
A question to those who record the race live from onboard and include ts chat.

What do you use to do it, does it impact on gameplay as far as fps and smoothness, also what file size does it create and do you convert video before uploading.

I have used various programs for recording saved replays but file sizes have been huge and take forever to upload.

I use Nvidia ShadowPlay. It doesn't have any effect on my fps or smoothness, except if I record at 5160x2160 or above.
I have used MSI Afterburner before, but above 1080p it doesn't like my monitors aspect ratio, and it has costs about 10-15fps when recording in 3440x1440.
If you run at 1080p I think Afterburner is better, because you have more options available for encoding and file formats, but above that ShadowPlay has been better for me.

I just record and upload directly to YouTube, no editing or conversion tool used.
Last nights recording was about 35GB, it took approximately 100 minutes to upload, and then 4-5 hours until Youtube was done processing it.
Of course the upload depends on your internet connection, but as far as I can tell YouTube can handle up to 50Mbit, but mostly I get around 25Mbit upload speed.

TonyR
25-06-2015, 12:04
Elmo Always has the luck of the Irish..and is sneaky.

Tony, you can't blame someone if they brake earlier than you, and they don't have to leave room for you either because of it, it's up to you to anticipate their braking...also really bad rejoin by yourself, the cars coming upto the chicane basically came to a stop which could of caused mayhem.

Yes, I thought so too when reviewing. And I already told Kman I'm sorry, was just a little bit pumped in the Live situation. Rejoin was headless of course.

No excuse but since I was basically besides Kman after exiting the chicane I believed he would leave me the room during the braking phase.

TonyR
25-06-2015, 12:08
A question to those who record the race live from onboard and include ts chat.

What do you use to do it, does it impact on gameplay as far as fps and smoothness, also what file size does it create and do you convert video before uploading.

I have used various programs for recording saved replays but file sizes have been huge and take forever to upload.

Like PerFixAlot I use ShadowPlay. If I'm not streaming I use the 1080p/60fps/50Mbit solution. 1 Hour is usually roughly 16 GB.

Performance Impact is not more than 2 FPS.

When I'm streaming I use 720p/30 FPS/3Mbit and use the Twitch to Youtube Export feature.

Gopher04
25-06-2015, 12:48
Yes, I thought so too when reviewing. And I already told Kman I'm sorry, was just a little bit pumped in the Live situation. Rejoin was headless of course.

No excuse but since I was basically besides Kman after exiting the chicane I believed he would leave me the room during the braking phase.

Yeh I no what you mean Tony, sometimes we have blood rush to the head and get tunnel vision, in hindsight you would carry on straight and do a Elmo and re-join safely, all sounds so easy sometimes..

RDogg
25-06-2015, 13:15
I just record and upload directly to YouTube, no editing or conversion tool used.
Last nights recording was about 35GB, it took approximately 100 minutes to upload, and then 4-5 hours until Youtube was done processing it.

Is it just because you don't want to or you don't know how to?

I can record in 1440p, edit it, cut it down, etc.. Render at a high bitrate in the same resolution, and still only have about 500MB-1GB file size in the end. YouTube then takes no more than 20 minutes to process it.

PerFixAlot
25-06-2015, 13:31
Is it just because you don't want to or you don't know how to?

I can record in 1440p, edit it, cut it down, etc.. Render at a high bitrate in the same resolution, and still only have about 500MB-1GB file size in the end. YouTube then takes no more than 20 minutes to process it.

I'm just too lazy. Also, I work with computers all day, so when I am done racing late in the evening I usually just want to head straight to bed.
I mostly submit the upload before going to bed and then it is ready in the morning even with the big file size.

I suppose I would edit it if needed something to share ASAP.

Elmo
25-06-2015, 13:47
My video (at least the first few minutes of the race) this time with (very quiet) audio.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLH9f_kkIro

0:55 overtaking Cluck
4:20 double rear ending
5:00 giving Tony room to pass (he is way quicker everywhere, no point in holding him up. Best case he would have opened the door for me on Kman)
6:00 the Tony vs. Kman incident
6:30 screwed up the last turn Nevil and Tony (and shortly after Zsolt) pass
8:10 this time I brake even later for the last turn (d'oh!) and loose two more positions to Turbo and Eskimo
8:45 missing the turn-in point for the fast left hander ends in disaster...

The rest of the race was fairly unspectacular. Had some good, but rather short battles in the mid-pack. Car was slightly wounded and I struggled for pace a bit. After the pit stop (where I got 100 instead of the planned 70 liters) I was ready to close the gap to the drivers in front when I suddenly lost all my input (wheel, pedals and even the keyboard dead). Had to kill pcars.exe :(

Enjoyed the combo, would have loved to finish it and maybe secure a spot in the Top 5.

Papa H
25-06-2015, 15:28
no was in an aston martin

NemethR
25-06-2015, 16:16
I heared something about a Mixed Class race in the US for Sunday.
I was wondering how many of you guys would race in the smaller class.

Elmo
25-06-2015, 16:21
Yes, LMP2 and GT3 at Watkins Glen. A straight forward 45 minute race (no pitting necessary).

We probably start an hour later (20:00 UTC), so people can finish watching the actual race it is based on - Tudor United Sportscar Championship 6h of the Glen. A few of us will probably watch the race together in Teamspeak (free stream for non-US viewers available).

Judging by yesterdays feedback the GT3 class will probably be the stronger of the two.

NemethR
25-06-2015, 16:23
We probably start an hour later (20:00 UTC), so people can finish watching the actual race it is based on - Tudor United Sportscar Championship 6h of the Glen. A few of us will probably watch the race together in Teamspeak (free stream for non-US viewers available).

Sounds great!
I love that series too, that is why I was really excited about the race.

TonyR
25-06-2015, 16:43
Yes, LMP2 and GT3 at Watkins Glen. A straight forward 45 minute race (no pitting necessary).

We probably start an hour later (20:00 UTC), so people can finish watching the actual race it is based on - Tudor United Sportscar Championship 6h of the Glen. A few of us will probably watch the race together in Teamspeak (free stream for non-US viewers available).

Judging by yesterdays feedback the GT3 class will probably be the stronger of the two.

Oh, how nice. Hope I can make it, I'm writing an exam on Monday I should prepare for, but ....


no was in an aston martin

Yeah, already saw it while reviewing my race. But it was you, my brain just mixed up cars at first :D

Elmo
25-06-2015, 16:44
Tony do you still have the Profiler log from yesterday? Can you check if anything odd can be found during your "almost dip'n'flip"?

Forwarded your video and your comment to the devs.

Neil Bateman
25-06-2015, 16:46
Is it just because you don't want to or you don't know how to?

I can record in 1440p, edit it, cut it down, etc.. Render at a high bitrate in the same resolution, and still only have about 500MB-1GB file size in the end. YouTube then takes no more than 20 minutes to process it.

This is where i fall down, finding the right program to do the rendering and the right settings so as to not lose the quality.

I have MSI afterburner but not sure of the best settings, my monitor has a native resolution of 1680x1050 so i presume i cant record with anything other than that, always wondered about the 1050 resolution, seems a bit strange.

Neil Bateman
25-06-2015, 16:59
Yes, LMP2 and GT3 at Watkins Glen. A straight forward 45 minute race (no pitting necessary).

We probably start an hour later (20:00 UTC), so people can finish watching the actual race it is based on - Tudor United Sportscar Championship 6h of the Glen. A few of us will probably watch the race together in Teamspeak (free stream for non-US viewers available).

Judging by yesterdays feedback the GT3 class will probably be the stronger of the two.

The glen including the boot i assume, want to work on a set up that wont blow my engine like last night.:culpability:

TonyR
25-06-2015, 17:05
Tony do you still have the Profiler log from yesterday? Can you check if anything odd can be found during your "almost dip'n'flip"?

Forwarded your video and your comment to the devs.

"dip 'n' no flip" to be correct" haha.

Profiler File: https://mega.co.nz/#!Ut4lBJ5C!BLUxGXdpR2QJk_x16QZz84baagm2wS3fsrgy_YCFBos

It was in Lap 54 and the xact points where it started and where it ended are illustrated here:

http://i.imgur.com/JyZamnX.png

I don't know which channels could be interesting for the case to be honest, because we don't have any suspension data or something, do you have an idea?

Edit: With RPM and Lat/Lon Force:

http://i.imgur.com/QgShO7o.png

Elmo
25-06-2015, 17:14
The glen including the boot i assume, want to work on a set up that wont blow my engine like last night.:culpability:

Yes, the full GP circuit.


Profiler File: https://mega.co.nz/#!Ut4lBJ5C!BLUxGXdpR2QJk_x16QZz84baagm2wS3fsrgy_YCFBos

It was in Lap 54 and the xact points where it started and where it ended are illustrated here:

http://i.imgur.com/JyZamnX.png

I don't know which channels could be interesting for the case to be honest, because we don't have any suspension data or something, do you have an idea?

Tire temps maybe? Anything that would indicate that the something on the physics calculation changed / broke. I'll have a look myself.

Apparently Steve D has found something that could help with the issue, might even fix it completely. We will know once the code change hits a patch.

Puffpirat
25-06-2015, 17:29
tire temps maybe? Anything that would indicate that the something on the physics calculation changed / broke. I'll have a look myself.

Apparently Steve D has found something that could help with the issue, might even fix it completely. We will know once the code change hits a patch.
That's good news! When it happened for me the tire grip fell to 0% on one car side.

Elmo
25-06-2015, 17:37
That's good news! When it happened for me the tire grip fell to 0% on one car side.

Looks like the same happened to Tony:
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TonyR
25-06-2015, 17:40
That's good news! When it happened for me the tire grip fell to 0% on one car side.

Well, I imagine the bug the way that the tire just dips under the surface, right? So tire grip should be gone and the RPM should go up if it's the driven wheel (which also happened for me).

Thanks for the hint anyway, the same happened to me.

http://i.imgur.com/uVIFR8N.png

When RPM went up it seems the rear tire had no tire grip. then the car would go again but the front still has the problem until I crash.

And to Elmo:
Tire Temps do actually act strange:

http://i.imgur.com/jGr6waj.png

The right side does seem to lose 5 °C during the dip (strange because it definitely dipped to the left and there was a force in FFB which pulled the car to the left (thats why I crashed into the barrier)).

wodm
26-06-2015, 10:08
so sunday is GT3 at watkins glen and an hour later than usual?

NemethR
26-06-2015, 10:09
so sunday is GT3 at watkins glen and an hour later than usual?

LMP2 and GT3, at Watkins, and yes 1 hour later :)

wodm
26-06-2015, 10:15
Yes, LMP2 and GT3 at Watkins Glen. A straight forward 45 minute race (no pitting necessary).

We probably start an hour later (20:00 UTC), so people can finish watching the actual race it is based on - Tudor United Sportscar Championship 6h of the Glen. A few of us will probably watch the race together in Teamspeak (free stream for non-US viewers available).

Judging by yesterdays feedback the GT3 class will probably be the stronger of the two.gp or short track?

Nevil Wigbels
26-06-2015, 10:54
gp or short track?


Yes, the full GP circuit. ;)

I'll be there if I can find an hour or so to practice beforehand. Car/class undecided yet ;)

wodm
26-06-2015, 10:57
super, will be getting plenty of practice on this.
I have a displayport connector coming today too so i can finally use 3 monitors :)

Iceman07
26-06-2015, 12:37
I'll be there too! Its been a while, so I have to do some training ;)

Yorkie065
26-06-2015, 14:21
Do we know the time of day and weather conditions that will be run in the race?

Elmo
26-06-2015, 14:42
Do we know the time of day and weather conditions that will be run in the race?

Sundays date, clear weather, 10 am starting time and 5x time acceleration.

ZiggyUK
26-06-2015, 19:39
Looking forward to the Video

Neil Bateman
26-06-2015, 20:11
Sundays date, clear weather, 10 am starting time and 5x time acceleration.

Could do without 5x time acceleration, gets really hot at lunch time in new york, i may be forced to take my flameproof racing suit off.:cool:

Yorkie065
26-06-2015, 21:43
I haven't noticed it being too much of an issue with the heat. But one thing I've tested so far is that the RWD LMP2 will not do the full 45mins on 1 tank of fuel. Falls about 12-15litres short. Does this mean the race distance will change so all cars can do it on one tank, or are the RWD drivers going to have to pit. Don't know about fuel consumption of the Marek or the Oreca, but i know the Marek is generally better for fuel despite the 10litres less in the tank, and the Oreca has the same tank size as the RWD but again don't know it's exact consumption. Was this something that was accounted for in testing?

Gopher04
26-06-2015, 23:00
Just to add to Yorkie's post, the Oreca wont make it by the same amount. Could make it interesting with the LMP's having to do a splash and dash.

Elmo
27-06-2015, 10:25
Really don't want to go lower than 45 minutes race time. Guess the LMP2 pilots have to suck it up and pit for a shot of fuel than :)

Blackvault
27-06-2015, 10:47
Really don't want to go lower than 45 minutes race time. Guess the LMP2 pilots have to suck it up and pit for a shot of fuel than :)

Do we have a lap count? I think can do the entrie race without stopping for fuel in the P20

Elmo
27-06-2015, 10:51
Do we have a lap count? I think can do the entrie race without stopping for fuel in the P20

28 + 1

Blackvault
27-06-2015, 11:05
28 + 1

Sweet no pitstop for me!!

Alex Hobbs
27-06-2015, 11:10
28 + 1

Ya know, ziggy would throw a fit if he saw you writing it like that ;)

Elmo
27-06-2015, 11:13
Ya know, ziggy would throw a fit if he saw you writing it like that ;)

Because?

Blackvault
27-06-2015, 11:15
why that?

He had a rant in the NCC thread about how the lap count is written. Yours would imply it's 28 plus a slow down lap.

Elmo
27-06-2015, 11:36
He should have a close look at his latest poster than! :p

Blackvault
27-06-2015, 11:50
He should have a close look at his latest poster than! :p

That's were it started from

ZiggyUK
27-06-2015, 12:57
He should have a close look at his latest poster than! :p

Not my Poster :p ....

I have always written it correctly


1+xx = Formation Lap + Race

1+xx+1 = Formation Lap + Race + 1 cool down lap

xx+1 = Sprint Race + 1 cool down lap

Yorkie065
27-06-2015, 13:44
Ok, so I just did half a race run (was cut short due to a suspension failure half way through turn 1 on lap 18 which lead to a swift meet and great with the wall) and it seems my fuel calculations were off. Seems like in the RWD, it will be able to do the full 1+28 laps distance, providing your not stupid on the throttle and have a setup that is running around 2.5litres per lap. Hope this helps.

Will probably try to do another full race distance tomorrow to see how the tyres hold up. From what I've felt so far, they've been fine with the grip there pretty much all the way through the full 18 laps that I did.

Marek Haase
27-06-2015, 13:50
What are your lap times in LMP2 guys??

So I know what to aim for.

Yorkie065
27-06-2015, 14:06
Consistent 1.34's, 1.33's when pushing more

Blackvault
27-06-2015, 14:18
What are your lap times in LMP2 guys??

So I know what to aim for.


Consistent 1.34's, 1.33's when pushing more

Baby Jesus weeps. I can't only mange low 1.37s

Pete

PerFixAlot
27-06-2015, 14:30
In the Oreca 03 I can get down to 1:35.xxx, but with traffic on the track I am mostly around 1:37.xxx.
In time trial I got down to 1:34.5xx.

I am struggling to overtake the AI RWD and Marek cars though, even on the straights with lower downforce. So, I guess the Oreca is slower than those.

Here's a little practice session I did yesterday, where I often couldn't get past those RWD or Marek AIs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqKYG7xuchI

cluck
27-06-2015, 14:35
^^ Did a 1m35.1xx after a couple of laps in time trial with default setup on the Alpine A350, which I believe is an identical car? Was mid-1m35s times in free practice with a fairly high fuel load. I haven't looked at the setup of the car, but it feels like it's struggling to overcome the default downforce setup, which I presume is quite high?

PerFixAlot
27-06-2015, 14:40
^^ Did a 1m35.1xx after a couple of laps in time trial with default setup on the Alpine A350, which I believe is an identical car? Was mid-1m35s times in free practice with a fairly high fuel load. I haven't looked at the setup of the car, but it feels like it's struggling to overcome the default downforce setup, which I presume is quite high?

Yeah, the default is quite high, and I think you can get faster laps on this track with higher downforce, but I just couldn't overtake the AIs without lowering the wing settings.

Nevil Wigbels
27-06-2015, 14:46
I did a quickrace in the Marek LMP2 default setup, consuming 2.1 on average per lap, doing 1:35's, so a 28+1 race could be doable ;)

edit: doable without pitstop I mean.

Neil Bateman
27-06-2015, 14:52
I fancy sticking to gt if there are enough running, any others running gt?

Gopher04
27-06-2015, 14:53
Ok, so I just did half a race run (was cut short due to a suspension failure half way through turn 1 on lap 18 which lead to a swift meet and great with the wall) and it seems my fuel calculations were off. Seems like in the RWD, it will be able to do the full 1+28 laps distance, providing your not stupid on the throttle and have a setup that is running around 2.5litres per lap. Hope this helps.

Will probably try to do another full race distance tomorrow to see how the tyres hold up. From what I've felt so far, they've been fine with the grip there pretty much all the way through the full 18 laps that I did.

Will be interesting, I can get 2.2 from the Oreca, but I also can get it upto 2.7 when pushing, still think it will run a fine line.

Will Fly
27-06-2015, 15:13
I fancy sticking to gt if there are enough running, any others running gt?

yep the ruf for me.

cluck
27-06-2015, 15:36
Baby Jesus weeps. I can't only mange low 1.37s

Pete1m37? Are you sure you're getting full throttle Pete? I don't mean that as an insult, because I know you're not that slow, but I got a 1m33.9 in my first lap with the RWD - a car, like many in the game, that I've barely touched. The Marek definitely feels slower than the RWD for me and my times bore that out - I could probably scrape a 1m34.5 but I stopped before I hit that time (best I got was 1m34.7). I have barely touched any of the LMP cars so I'm sure I can go faster with a bit more practice and certainly if I altered the setups (I gather Watkins doesn't need a lot of downforce).

Blackvault
27-06-2015, 15:55
1m37? Are you sure you're getting full throttle Pete? I don't mean that as an insult, because I know you're not that slow, but I got a 1m33.9 in my first lap with the RWD - a car, like many in the game, that I've barely touched. The Marek definitely feels slower than the RWD for me and my times bore that out - I could probably scrape a 1m34.5 but I stopped before I hit that time (best I got was 1m34.7). I have barely touched any of the LMP cars so I'm sure I can go faster with a bit more practice and certainly if I altered the setups (I gather Watkins doesn't need a lot of downforce).

No offence take. Yes my foot is to the floor.

Here is my Profiler file (http://www.filedropper.com/p20) do you spot anything?

Pete

cluck
27-06-2015, 16:06
No offence take. Yes my foot is to the floor.

Here is my Profiler file (http://www.filedropper.com/p20) do you spot anything?

PeteMy apologies for the possibly quite stupid question but, what do I open that file in?

Iceman07
27-06-2015, 16:29
After four laps in the Oreca I could do a 1:37:0 with full tank, with some setup tweaks an more practice I hope to get some better times.

Blackvault
27-06-2015, 16:57
My apologies for the possibly quite stupid question but, what do I open that file in?

Ah you'll need Tom Shane's profiler here (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?23284-pCARS-Profiler-(Telemetry-amp-Analysis)-PC-ONLY-v1-6)

Pete

cluck
27-06-2015, 17:20
yeah, I was having a blonde moment, thanks Pete! I recorded a profile for a 1m34.02 lap and looking at the graphs overlaid on each other, I'm carrying 10Kph more speed through the first twisty section. By the end of the straight, before the bus-stop, you're 1 or 2 Kph faster at the end but you then brake a lot harder than me. You also brake half-way round the long right-hander, where I'm flat on the throttle. After that it's difficult to tell, because your graph is a little behind mine, but the braking profile appears very similar.

I'll try again in Free Practice with the date set to this Sunday @ 10am, with a full tank of fuel and see what the results are.

Blackvault
27-06-2015, 18:02
yeah, I was having a blonde moment, thanks Pete! I recorded a profile for a 1m34.02 lap and looking at the graphs overlaid on each other, I'm carrying 10Kph more speed through the first twisty section. By the end of the straight, before the bus-stop, you're 1 or 2 Kph faster at the end but you then brake a lot harder than me. You also brake half-way round the long right-hander, where I'm flat on the throttle. After that it's difficult to tell, because your graph is a little behind mine, but the braking profile appears very similar.

I'll try again in Free Practice with the date set to this Sunday @ 10am, with a full tank of fuel and see what the results are.

Thanks for taking a look mate :)

Pete

cluck
27-06-2015, 18:15
From the off, I was doing 1m34.xxx laps. If I'm VERY careful about staying within the white line boundaries (as in, all 4 wheels inside) then I put in low 1m35 times. Starting with default setup, which carries approx. 75L of fuel and was burning 2.5L of fuel a lap, my outlap was 1m35.7s. Not sure what to suggest really Pete.

Blackvault
27-06-2015, 18:18
From the off, I was doing 1m34.xxx laps. If I'm VERY careful about staying within the white line boundaries (as in, all 4 wheels inside) then I put in low 1m35 times. Starting with default setup, which carries approx. 75L of fuel and was burning 2.5L of fuel a lap, my outlap was 1m35.7s. Not sure what to suggest really Pete.

Nothing to suggest mate. I understand that people are always going to be faster than me. :)

Pete

ZiggyUK
27-06-2015, 18:32
It does sound as though this will be an interesting race

Gopher04
27-06-2015, 19:29
Just done full race test, done 29laps and race pace no slow laps and finished with 2.4ltrs left in tank, so allowing for formation and traffic Oreca is fine, tyres were really good, engine temp stayed around 100 so all is well had to open the rad up abit.

Timmynator
27-06-2015, 20:21
Is anyone even taking a GT3 car out?

ZiggyUK
27-06-2015, 20:39
Is anyone even taking a GT3 car out?


Will (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?29178-TGC-GEN-The-Gentlemen-s-Club-Non-League-Race-Area&p=1019242&viewfull=1#post1019242)

MelBonkers
27-06-2015, 20:52
Tried the Mark and did a 1m37s1. Tried the Oreca and can't go below the 1m39. Just don't understand why I can't get the same top speeds as others, even with very low downforce. Will do some test runs later.

Stevie_F
27-06-2015, 21:30
Just done a run in the Marek.

1+28 Laps, 65L of fuel (Full tank), 2.7L left at end of race. Race weather and time acceleration. Average lap was mid 1.34's. Softs were fine for the whole race.

Stevie_F

Marek Haase
27-06-2015, 21:31
Tried the Mark and did a 1m37s1. Tried the Oreca and can't go below the 1m39. Just don't understand why I can't get the same top speeds as others, even with very low downforce. Will do some test runs later.

I still think about my car choice. I like Oreca more because it's open top, but Marek in a Marek seems to appeal to me as much as the fact that I'm faster in it.

I can't get as good times as front runners but around 1:35.8 in Marek and half a second slower in Oreca is my pace with 60l in the tank.

Stevie_F
27-06-2015, 21:32
It does sound as though this will be an interesting race

Joining in Ziggy?

blackduckrun
27-06-2015, 21:37
Bummer, I can't make it. At least there will be sushi.

Timmynator
27-06-2015, 21:52
I'll be joining in the Z4.

ZiggyUK
27-06-2015, 23:18
Joining in Ziggy?

I would dearly love to but spent some of this week in hospital so due to the post effects of the procedure I am unable to atm.

I hopefully will get behind a wheel next week at some point.

cluck
28-06-2015, 00:06
I would dearly love to but spent some of this week in hospital so due to the post effects of the procedure I am unable to atm.

I hopefully will get behind a wheel next week at some point.Hope you have a speedy recovery Ziggy :)

Zsolt Benczedi
28-06-2015, 06:19
Get well soon Ziggy, i'll take the Z4

Gertjan Arlar
28-06-2015, 08:52
I really want to be there tonight. LMP2 for me if i make it in time, probably the Oreca.

@Ziggy: Hope you make a good recovery.

Tricky
28-06-2015, 09:24
Get well soon Ziggy. I'll probably be on tonight if I can get some practice in. Probably go P2 since all I've driven lately seems like GT3 although I hope we have a good field size for GT3 too.

NemethR
28-06-2015, 09:51
I'll be coming, with some GT3 car :)

Neil Bateman
28-06-2015, 10:04
I will give the bentley another go, that makes about five gt3 so far.

MelBonkers
28-06-2015, 10:54
If I can't shave off a couple of seconds from the Oreca or Marek I think I'll join the GT3 pack. Don't know why my car LMP2's feel so slow....

Marek Haase
28-06-2015, 12:40
If I can't shave off a couple of seconds from the Oreca or Marek I think I'll join the GT3 pack. Don't know why my car LMP2's feel so slow....

Have you calibrated your new pedals properly?? ;-P

I will aim to join the race tonight in LMP2... Marek or Oreca.

Papa H
28-06-2015, 12:48
Get well soon Ziggy,

all the best

Roger

Timmynator
28-06-2015, 14:16
Ziggy, get well soon. Looking forward to seeing you back in the mix!

NemethR
28-06-2015, 16:31
I would dearly love to but spent some of this week in hospital so due to the post effects of the procedure I am unable to atm.

I hopefully will get behind a wheel next week at some point.

I wish you a quick recovery Ziggy, get well soon!

javoresku
28-06-2015, 16:33
Get well quck Ziggy.

Cleps
28-06-2015, 17:03
Get well soon Ziggy!
Just wanted to ask, what kind of lap times are able to do with GT3 cars ?

Timmynator
28-06-2015, 18:01
Judging by the leaderboards, the fastest GT drivers seem to be hitting ~1:41s (Zsolt among them). Seems to depend on the car, though, the Rufs for example are running around 1:43...

So for a "normal" driver, call it 1:44/1:45ish...

t0daY
28-06-2015, 18:15
Get well soon Ziggy :)

Elmo
28-06-2015, 18:20
You guys are lucky I didn't go for real weather. It alternates between dry, drizzel and heavy rain all the time.

Iceman07
28-06-2015, 18:21
20 UTC right??

Elmo
28-06-2015, 18:27
Yes, 1.5 hours from now.

Nevil Wigbels
28-06-2015, 19:03
<21:01:52> Connection failed because the server reached its maximum amount of clients.

:eek:

Timmynator
28-06-2015, 19:06
Same here.

alex salmon
28-06-2015, 19:06
<21:01:52> Connection failed because the server reached its maximum amount of clients.

:eek:

same problem :/

Elmo
28-06-2015, 19:10
I'll fix it, give me a few minutes