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ZiggyUK
01-06-2015, 16:27
This thread is not for recruitment or registration .... please see ☢ [TGC-NCC] The Gentlemen's Club™ - New Comers Club Recruitment ☢ (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?21977-☢-TGC-NCC-The-Gentlemen-s-Club™-New-Comers-Club-Recruitment-☢) thread instead






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This thread is for members of The Gentlemen's Club™ and/or drivers that have previously driven in the TGC leagues. It is also for those [TGC-PNC] that have been promoted from the NCC.

If you have any queries than please contact me at ziggyuk@live.co.uk

ZiggyUK
01-06-2015, 16:52
Copied from WMD Forum


Since everybody loved the 78, but the grid could have used a boost I want to run it again on Wednesday.

So we take them to Brands Hatch GP - this time for a 90 minute blast (should be doable on one fuel tank). This will make tire strategy very interesting.


Yeh it is a good car, and Brands should suit it a tad better.


Oh noooo :(
I would love that combo but unfortunitly I come home around two hours too late for the race :a09:


I will not be there.

Elmo
01-06-2015, 17:00
Hello chaps,

as posted by Ziggy we had a bunch of you with us already on our Sunday race, looking forward to more fresh blood for our Wednesday race:

19:00 UTC - Lotus 78 @ Brands Hatch GP - 90 minutes of vintage F1 action!

Cheers,
Elmo

Will Fly
01-06-2015, 17:00
MOODY MIAGI :(

Yorkie065
01-06-2015, 17:16
Hell yeh! Should be another good circuit for it as it was a lot of fun! My first win and although I didn't actually get to battle wheel to wheel with Will to take victory, we had a great gap battle going for about 80% of the race to which it ended with us being less than 0.5 seconds apart when we came to the finish.

Now to jump back in time a bit, the video for the 1 Hour endurance race we did around the Nordschleife has literally just gone live! Enjoy :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcN2_YFxdbc

ZiggyUK
01-06-2015, 17:26
@Elmo

NCC's heading your way for Wednesday if they can make it (Alex Salmon is unlikely atm as he has a irl karting race on Thursday)


Alex Salmon
bazillus
chillisteak
falcon2081
MysticBoost
MysticTurbo
Pamellaaa
Papa H
Robbie Bouchoms
Stevie_F
t0daY
westbeef


additions

spides

Yorkie065
01-06-2015, 17:35
@Elmo

NCC's heading your way for Wednesday if they can make it (Alex Salmon is unlikely atm as he has a irl karting race on Thursday)


Alex Salmon
bazillus
chillisteak
falcon2081
MysticBoost
MysticTurbo
Pamellaaa
Papa H
Robbie Bouchoms
Stevie_F
T0daY
westbeef


ALL THE FRESH MEAT!!!

MelBonkers
01-06-2015, 17:47
Thanx for sharing that video Matt! ;-)

Laurens Van Rossem
01-06-2015, 18:00
I'll be there too if all goes well :)

falcon2081
01-06-2015, 18:57
ALL THE FRESH MEAT!!!

I'll bring the sauce lmao...:cool:

Gavin Thomas
01-06-2015, 18:59
Ah now I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place, or something like that.

Really want to run the BMW M1 in the NCC race, but I've been given permission to run with you guys in the fantastic Lotus round Brands Hatch.

Hmmmm decisions, decisions. :rolleyes:

Pamellaaa
01-06-2015, 19:04
Sounds great, not driven the car yet but will spend some time tomorrow practising :)

Westbeef
01-06-2015, 19:04
Is this a place for the NCC to talk about their races and stuff too or just the big boys :)?

Gavin Thomas
01-06-2015, 19:08
Sounds great, not driven the car yet but will spend some time tomorrow practising :)

What time you looking at doing some practice?

I've got a an hour or two to kill from 19:00 onwards tomorrow, got make it a group practice to at least compare times etc then.

falcon2081
01-06-2015, 19:09
^I'm down for that. Some sort of practice tomorrow would be great. Anytime works for me.

Yorkie065
01-06-2015, 19:18
Is this a place for the NCC to talk about their races and stuff too or just the big boys :)?

I guess it's mainly for the full TGC guys as the other thread is still for NCC chat and new sign ups, however we won't kick you out if you fancy coming in here and posting as well, just keep it relevant :)

Pamellaaa
01-06-2015, 19:19
What time you looking at doing some practice?

I've got a an hour or two to kill from 19:00 onwards tomorrow, got make it a group practice to at least compare times etc then.


^I'm down for that. Some sort of practice tomorrow would be great. Anytime works for me.

I will be on early in the day but I can probably be on again in the evening.

Gavin Thomas
01-06-2015, 19:26
^I'm down for that. Some sort of practice tomorrow would be great. Anytime works for me.

Wicked!


I will be on early in the day but I can probably be on again in the evening.

Well if you can join awesome, if not no worries.

falcon2081
01-06-2015, 19:28
I will be on early in the day but I can probably be on again in the evening.

Sounds good. Your early=me sleeping so I probably can't join that haha.

Elmo
01-06-2015, 19:30
I'll be around tomorrow evening as well doing some practice / fuel runs.

Also make sure to be a few minutes early on Wednesday, so we can explain you how to set a Pit Stop Strategy for the race.

Gavin Thomas
01-06-2015, 19:45
I'll be around tomorrow evening as well doing some practice / fuel runs.

Also make sure to be a few minutes early on Wednesday, so we can explain you how to set a Pit Stop Strategy for the race.

Will do.

ZiggyUK
01-06-2015, 20:42
Is this a place for the NCC to talk about their races and stuff too or just the big boys :)?

This thread is for [TGC-GEN] event ie this week the Lotus 78 at Brands whereas the other thread is for the [TGC-NCC] events. Best to keep them separated.

ZiggyUK
01-06-2015, 20:51
You guys that have been promoted up from NCC tuition will notice in place of your TeamSpeak icon 205738 you have now received a 205739 and are now in the PNC server group

Basically having the 205739 means you are a 205740

:eagerness:

falcon2081
01-06-2015, 20:55
You guys that have been promoted up from NCC tuition will notice in place of your TeamSpeak icon 205738 you have now received a 205739 and are now in the PNC server group

Basically having the 205739 means you are a 205740

:eagerness:

That's great! When will I get my certificate in the mail? LOL...J/K:cool:

ZiggyUK
01-06-2015, 21:00
That's great! When will I get my certificate in the mail? LOL...J/K:cool:

When you make it to the 205742 :p

spides
01-06-2015, 23:04
does this mean i can start taking part in TGC races? :cool:


@Elmo

NCC's heading your way for Wednesday if they can make it (Alex Salmon is unlikely atm as he has a irl karting race on Thursday)


Alex Salmon
bazillus
chillisteak
falcon2081
MysticBoost
MysticTurbo
Pamellaaa
Papa H
Robbie Bouchoms
Stevie_F
T0daY
westbeef


additions

spides

t0daY
02-06-2015, 01:31
@Elmo

NCC's heading your way for Wednesday if they can make it (Alex Salmon is unlikely atm as he has a irl karting race on Thursday)


Alex Salmon
bazillus
chillisteak
falcon2081
MysticBoost
MysticTurbo
Pamellaaa
Papa H
Robbie Bouchoms
Stevie_F
T0daY
westbeef


additions

spides


sounds really awesome, thanks for the invitation ziggy :)
... but there is little problem :/ I am off from wednesday to monday, going to Rock am Ring (it is a music festival in germany, here is the lineup if anyone is interested :D: www.rock-am-ring.com)
After that Ive got a 1 week nighshift, so the earliest date to actually drive again with you guys would be the 13. June. Sorry guys :(

P.S.: Ziggy, could you change my name to "t0daY" with a small "t"?^^ :D it looks really odd in my opinion :D :D :D

ZiggyUK
02-06-2015, 01:50
does this mean i can start taking part in TGC races? :cool:

ummm ... well yes it does mate. You and I had a great time at Silverstone at the weekend and you were able to go side-by-side through turns with me and with our position swapping you can very pleased with how you handled the situation. I do not believe we ever once came into contact and you have proven your race craft, respect and spatial awareness on the track.

ZiggyUK
02-06-2015, 01:52
P.S.: Ziggy, could you change my name to "t0daY" with a small "t"?^^ :D it looks really odd in my opinion :D :D :D

Done :encouragement:

t0daY
02-06-2015, 02:02
Done :encouragement:

My hero ;) thanks! :)

spides
02-06-2015, 08:09
looks like i'll be taking the lotus around Brands next wednesday then :D, I like those classic formula cars, do we get an e-mail of the event?

Mirko Tartarotti
02-06-2015, 09:56
Finally back from my long business experience in China, I was quite ready to say hello again to the best Project Cars multiplayer group... When I saw this:

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Who is this? :p MOMOOOOOOOO aren't you?

ZiggyUK
02-06-2015, 13:48
looks like i'll be taking the lotus around Brands next wednesday then :D, I like those classic formula cars, do we get an e-mail of the event?

Usually if I get the time I also construct and post out an email for this events to the correct groups but I did not get time this week.

Pamellaaa
02-06-2015, 13:54
Had a play with the car and track today, it is a huge amount of fun and I can't wait for tomorrows race, I don't think I will be as competitive in this as I will in the slower stuff but I am just going to aim to get to the end without damage and to drive consistently.

The few laps that I have completed have been in the 1:21 to 1:23s.

Elmo
02-06-2015, 14:03
A lot can be gained tomorrow by keeping it on the black stuff and not get entangled into any shenanigans. Also the tire wear will play an important role tomorrow, I doubt that the fast guys will make it on one set.

MelBonkers
02-06-2015, 14:56
Mirko,

Good to have you back mate! And yes, that's me Momo ;-). My Original Steam, Origin and Xbox Live gamertag is MelBonkers ;-)


Finally back from my long business experience in China, I was quite ready to say hello again to the best Project Cars multiplayer group... When I saw this:

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Who is this? :p MOMOOOOOOOO aren't you?

Timmynator
02-06-2015, 15:58
Hi, I'm Timmy and I'm a TGC raceoholic...

Don't expect to find me at the front or at the back, but anywhere on track ;)

Puffpirat
02-06-2015, 16:26
Hey guys won't make it to your fuel run testing tonight, as I'm alone with the boy. Will be interesting to see what you get. I made some tests earlier and got about 2,5 liters per lap. 90 min with 1:20 lap times would be around 67 or 68 laps, so thats about as far as the car can go with a full tank of fuel. Which is irrelevant if the tires don't last, which they won't :p I had more than 1% wear on the fronts per lap.

Elmo
02-06-2015, 16:47
I'll pop into teamspeak and setup the first practice lobby in a few minutes. Won't be there all night long, but I'm sure others will take over hosting duties then.

BioForce
02-06-2015, 17:34
I'll try to be there tomorrow :)

Elmo
02-06-2015, 18:24
Here my setup made with good driveabilty in mind. Those are the items I touched. Most important settings are bold


Diff
Radiator (crucial!)
Gearing
Brake Mapping
Tire Pressures
Brake Pressure and Balance
Toe
Sway Bars
Maybe Springs (don't remember, if anything it wasn't much)



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Blackvault
02-06-2015, 18:40
Nick fancy buying this?

http://wtf1.co.uk/porsche-are-selling-a-full-sized-lmp1-model-car/

Pete

Elmo
02-06-2015, 18:41
Lap Count will be 68 + 1

With the car handling worse on full fuel than let's say on half a tank strategy will be really interesting.

You can either man up, fill the car up to the brim and bring her home without a pitstop. This has the disadvantage of a heavy (and therefore slow) car at the beginning and your tires will probably gone by the end.

OR

You go for one pitstop and only take half the fuel. Your lap time advantage should be enough to make up for the stop.

OR

You go for two pitstops and have a fairly light car and fresh tires all the time.

Gavin Thomas
02-06-2015, 20:03
What kind of times you been running in this Lotus guys?

Curious how far off the pace I might be :rolleyes:

Will Fly
02-06-2015, 20:06
mid to low 1.18s with 80 liters

race pace will be slower though

Elmo
02-06-2015, 20:06
Highly depends on the fuel. With 90 liters I can run low 1:20s

BioForce
02-06-2015, 20:07
I've seen 1.17 today. But in the race I think it will be around 1.20

GT_Racing
02-06-2015, 20:16
I always thought this livery was advertising for a faux strip club.

Elmo
02-06-2015, 20:23
I always thought this livery was advertising for a faux strip club.

We have to cover our expenses somehow :barbershop_quartet_

GT_Racing
02-06-2015, 20:25
I always thought this livery was advertising for a faux strip club.

Gavin Thomas
02-06-2015, 20:37
mid to low 1.18s with 80 liters

race pace will be slower though

Seriously? with 80 litres?


Highly depends on the fuel. With 90 liters I can run low 1:20s



I've seen 1.17 today. But in the race I think it will be around 1.20

Ok if race ends up around the 1:20's as I might not be as far off the pace as I feared.

Will have to try and slam some more practice in before the race tomorrow mind, as I know I've got more time to find some where round that track.

Elmo
02-06-2015, 20:47
No need to push for the very edge of what you and the car can do. Rather find a pace were you can be consistent and safe over the distance. It is a long race, which won't be won by the fastest, but by the one making the least mistakes.

Gavin Thomas
02-06-2015, 20:51
No need to push for the very edge of what you and the car can do. Rather find a pace were you can be consistent and safe over the distance. It is a long race, which won't be won by the fastest, but by the one making the least mistakes.

Can't argue you with that :D

Timmynator
02-06-2015, 20:57
Not sure yet if I can participate since I'll get in late tomorrow.

spides
02-06-2015, 21:40
hey guys any of you know how to read tyre wear on the telemetry software Pcars profiler? as in what the numbers mean 1, 2 etc?

Puffpirat
02-06-2015, 21:59
It's the percentage of the (thread) wear. IIRC one of the dev said at 40-50% you should really feel the fall off.

ZiggyUK
02-06-2015, 22:40
Nick fancy buying this?

http://wtf1.co.uk/porsche-are-selling-a-full-sized-lmp1-model-car/

Pete

Am I the only one that already has a couple of these then :beguiled:

spides
02-06-2015, 23:38
hey guys for those who don't own or can't afford trackIR, I found this today, Headtracker using an Android phone, I still have to test it, and not sure if any of you have yet, but if you did, is it any good?

i found 2 sources actually the description in the video below and this one: https://github.com/opentrack/opentrack/wiki/Smartphone-Headtracking



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIG3D93PxR4

falcon2081
03-06-2015, 00:14
Great practice today. It was all fun until the power went out at my house because of the afternoon storms. Bad Omen? Let's hope not lmao. See ya all tomorrow!

Laurens Van Rossem
03-06-2015, 16:45
I have an ebay dude coming over to buy stuff from me so I might have to quit 10mins before the end :(

Elmo
03-06-2015, 16:48
I have an ebay dude coming over to buy stuff from me so I might have to quit 10mins before the end :(

Depending on how quick your are and how quickly you can service your customer you might be still in for a result :)

But dropping out early should cause no trouble in general

Laurens Van Rossem
03-06-2015, 17:06
Depending on how quick your are and how quickly you can service your customer you might be still in for a result :)

But dropping out early should cause no trouble in general

Well for now, I can't even get the game to start :s

Elmo
03-06-2015, 17:21
I'll be online in a few minutes hosting warm-up sessions for the race and answer questions.

See you on track

Iceman07
03-06-2015, 18:29
I made it home in time, but I think it won't make much sense racing without any preperation. So I wish you a good race and hope to see you on sunday ;)

Laurens Van Rossem
03-06-2015, 19:37
Pff, I think I screwed up, tried to overtake and got sandwiched. Car would move after that. My apologies to those involved.

spides
03-06-2015, 20:55
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Gavin Thomas
03-06-2015, 21:06
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Thanks for the race guys,

That's was the longest multi-player race I've done to date, but it flew by could have easily gone another hour :friendly_wink:

Was expecting to be at the back of the pack during this race and I was for a few laps, but to finish P7 after a spin and a unintentional drive through (pits were occupied) I can't complain.

Looking forward to more racing with you all!

Puffpirat
03-06-2015, 21:18
First time everything worked out for me. Car was perfect, tire wear was ok, the pitstops worked and I made no bigger mistakes. I had a short moment where I guess my internet connection was having a hickup and cars where lagging around me, got actually hit by one but thankfully nothing happend to the car.

Laptimes:

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And my setup:

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spides
03-06-2015, 21:34
Hey Puffpirat how d'ya get that result screen please? :D

and here's some screenshots guys! :)

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Elmo
03-06-2015, 21:35
Enjoyed this a lot chaps. It is just great fun to push the Lotus 78.

I'm sorry for Gopher and BioForce who I both had come-togethers with. Not much I could about the Gopher situation, but with Bio it seemed I didn't let him enough room and we made contact: Big Sorry!


Too bad some were bitten by the pit stop bugs, myself I picked up the wrong tire pressures after my early first pitstop (due to damage). They were too high so I burned through the good part of the tire too quick.

Luckily the new patch will tackle a few of those problems:



The Default strategy will now correctly show the tyres that will be fitted on the player vehicle during a pit stop.
The pit stop routine will no longer start during online races until the player closes the pit stop menu. This ensures that the player has enough time to select or configure an appropriate set of actions before the pit crew start working on the car.
Tyre pressures will now be correctly set when the player changes to a new set of tyres.
The currently-active Pit strategy will now remain in action when advancing through race sessions.



So I'm looking forward to our next endurance race, when we are back from Le Mans (17th June).

ZiggyUK
03-06-2015, 22:06
and you will have some new blood as well :)

There are some great guys on their way up.

Puffpirat
03-06-2015, 22:09
Hey Puffpirat how d'ya get that result screen please? :D
Hey spides you get that when you hit ESC before the race has finished for everyone :) so e.g. while the AI is driving into the pits and ramming Pete off track :p

falcon2081
03-06-2015, 22:25
I'll give my race report later as I am in the process of getting the race video ready. But to those that heard about Elmo and Gopher colliding here is a snippet of the crash. I'm working on crash clip as we speak. Should be up fairly soon. Look at that close call! Thankfully I got no damage as I swerved in time.



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spides
03-06-2015, 22:45
thanks puffpirat, then i guess it's either the scoreboard or the replay hehe. PS: lol @ Pete reference , the AI driver hunters xD

woah falcon that front wing is rather close to your face!! xD

falcon2081
04-06-2015, 00:08
Crash Video is up! Enjoy fellas.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe_bKUmiR8k

falcon2081
04-06-2015, 03:14
Well, Steam is being a punk and so is ShadowPlay. In the mean time here are some photos I took from the replay.

Race begins. Thankfully no casualties from what I remember.
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Looks like someone went off there in turn 3.
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Great inside pass I did here coming right out of turn 4. Gopher was right on my tail!
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All 3 of us together. Great Shot.
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Another one of my favorites. Myself and Gopher catching up to Elmo who was P3. Gopher would eventually pass me but not before crashing out of the race 2 laps later.
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Passing someone who was having issues with his brakes! Looked like he had front right brake damage according to the replay.
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Great inside pass after the straight coming down the hill.
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And now feast your eyes on this. I have no IDEA how this happened but luckily the car did not flip over entirely. Yorkie passed me for P2 right after this happened. I had to chase him down.
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Great battle for P2 for a couple of laps. Yorkie, Myself, Stevie. Overall I had a ton of fun except for 2 weird issues I had with the car.
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ZiggyUK
04-06-2015, 03:53
I do love that Lotus '78 ........ I want to come back and play with the big boys :(

Gopher04
04-06-2015, 07:25
And now feast your eyes on this. I have no IDEA how this happened but luckily the car did not flip over entirely. Yorkie passed me for P2 right after this happened. I had to chase him down.

To me that looks like it might of been the dip and flip..

Laurens Van Rossem
04-06-2015, 07:25
My crash is at 25:14. Now I look at it, it's not the initial crash that ruined my car, it was the second impact.
http://www.twitch.tv/m/905253

Gopher04
04-06-2015, 07:27
I do love that Lotus '78 ........ I want to come back and play with the big boys :(

Tuff...

Gopher04
04-06-2015, 07:41
Oh my god Elmo..did you see..did you see..what you done to my lovely car, you totally wrecked it, whats my insurance going to say about that..you will have to buy me a new one now..

Anyway but as I said already there was nothing neither of us could do, (Elmo to use TC) I was just lining up to pass on the right as I had such a good exit, next thing I saw was you going right (yes got him without trying) then back my way (Oh fck) then doing a visual check, Wheels 1,2..Aero none..Engine cover missing..wing mirrors 1..Pitcrew radio's, while laughing, "we're safe boys, he ain't coming home".

bazillus
04-06-2015, 09:06
Had a terrible first stint. Lost >2s every lap and was not even able to stay behind guys, which overtook me. Had no idea what happend until i watched the replay. Seems to me that the crash in second lap on s/f caused some damage to my car... Second stint was fine and i became competitive. Too late to catch up some positions or change the result. Shit happens ;)

yellow car on the left was me
http://abload.de/thumb/2015-06-04_00002bus7x.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=2015-06-04_00002bus7x.jpg) http://abload.de/thumb/2015-06-04_0000310sc9.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=2015-06-04_0000310sc9.jpg) http://abload.de/thumb/2015-06-04_00004d7smf.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=2015-06-04_00004d7smf.jpg)

Nothing to worry about. Thx 4 the race guys. Looking forward to our next session :)

MelBonkers
04-06-2015, 10:57
Well, I never quit a race before, but my race yesterday was so screwed up after the first pitstop (faulty tirepressure) and the second one (correct tirepressures, but got 175 liters of fuel....why not) that I stopped the car on lap 49. Lost too much time to my direct opponents and was struggling keeping this Lotus truck on the tarmac. The understeer was just horrible and the first hairpin took AGES for me to take. Anyway, was of course fun racing with you all and will definitely be there next time ;-).

For me a race to quickly forget ;-)

spides
04-06-2015, 11:01
So i found the part where my car acted in a strange way, lifted off from the side, and I still have no idea how or why. In the screenshots you can see it lifting off, and in the videos there's 2 parts, the first is the the car lifting off, and the 2nd is right after the hairpin on acceleration it shook/bounced weirdly.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf67oSIcUuc&feature=youtu.be

Elmo
04-06-2015, 11:28
So i found the part where my car acted in a strange way, lifted off from the side, and I still have no idea how or why. In the screenshots you can see it lifting off, and in the videos there's 2 parts, the first is the the car lifting off, and the 2nd is right after the hairpin on acceleration it shook/bounced weirdly.


Thanks for the feedback. Can you post your setup or at least give feedback what you have changed on the car. Also would be interesting when in the race it happen (lap number, before any pitstops, after contact, etc...), so it gives the devs a clue. We seen it before with GT3 cars, but not with any other group of cars until yesterday).


Same questions to Falcon as well.

Puffpirat
04-06-2015, 11:42
Very lucky you could continue after the second impact! Oh and we also had this with LMP1s at Silverstone and LMP2? at Barcelona.

spides
04-06-2015, 11:43
sure this was around Lap 33, I started off with 90 L for the race at lap 33 i had around 20 something L of fuel and on Pcars profiler the tracking on track looks really weird for that lap and some following laps, not tracking the complete track but that could be some issues with the UI.

Puffpirat i managed to drive slowly to the pits with a bent steering, so i pitted a few laps before planned
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Elmo
04-06-2015, 11:46
Very lucky you could continue after the second impact! Oh and we also had this with LMP1s at Silverstone and LMP2? at Barcelona.

I'm pretty sure it was only the GT3 cars in those races, but I could be mistaken.

Gopher04
04-06-2015, 12:02
I'm pretty sure it was only the GT3 cars in those races, but I could be mistaken.

LMP 1 & 2 as well Elmo.

Stevie_F
04-06-2015, 17:15
That's exactly the same thing that happened to me Spides, on that exact corner and that exact line. I'll try to get some shots of it up.

Stevie_F

falcon2081
04-06-2015, 17:17
I have a video I'll post later today showing my 2 issues along with the setup. To me it happened on lap 34 of both stints with 88 liters at the beginning.

Elmo
04-06-2015, 17:26
Thanks guys, really appreciated.


What you new guys might not known (because you have not been on WMD or haven't been very active there) is that we as a group actively helped improving the multiplayer experience over the last year. We called that TGC Online Focus Group.

We did regular races to collect bugs and other issues and reported them to directly to the devs. We found ways to reproduce those bugs and also tested the potential fixes that have been created.


Now our focus shifted a bit to organizing MP races again (and leagues in the future). But nevertheless when we come across issues, we feed them back to the devs in the same manner.

So get used to me asking endless questions and collecting screenshots, videos and all kind of data :)

ZiggyUK
04-06-2015, 17:30
What you new guys might not known (because you have NOT been on WMD or haven't been very active there) is that we as a group actively helped improving the multiplayer experience over the last year. We called that TGC Online Focus Group.

as you always doing it for me :D

spides
04-06-2015, 17:41
unfortunately for me Elmo, since i am not a backer I don't have access to the WMD forums :( but as you said if I come across more problems throughout races ill place them here :)

falcon2081
04-06-2015, 18:19
Thanks guys, really appreciated.


What you new guys might not known (because you have not been on WMD or haven't been very active there) is that we as a group actively helped improving the multiplayer experience over the last year. We called that TGC Online Focus Group.

We did regular races to collect bugs and other issues and reported them to directly to the devs. We found ways to reproduce those bugs and also tested the potential fixes that have been created.


Now our focus shifted a bit to organizing MP races again (and leagues in the future). But nevertheless when we come across issues, we feed them back to the devs in the same manner.

So get used to me asking endless questions and collecting screenshots, videos and all kind of data :)

Speaking of data. I still have the profiler telemetry for the race. What me to zip it up and send it to you?

Elmo
04-06-2015, 18:33
Speaking of data. I still have the profiler telemetry for the race. What me to zip it up and send it to you?

Only if you can find something relevant/odd around the time the problem occurred. In the past we couldn't see anything on the telemetry.

falcon2081
04-06-2015, 19:21
@Elmo nothing weird on the telemetry but as requested here is the video and setup picture. Here's what I noticed at least on the 2 of the three oddities. It looks like I have had some sort of rear right tire mechanical. The tire locks up coming out of turn 2 but on the telemetry everything was fine. No suspension or brake damage for that matter. Immediately afterwards I had some sort of glitch with the shadows coming out of the right rear tire. You can see this when I go into the pits. It is fixed as soon as the tires are swapped. Lastly of course there is the car almost flipping itself out of turn 2. I provided different camera views as well. Let me know what you guys think.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOCZES4Nn04

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Elmo
04-06-2015, 19:44
Thanks mate. Passed it onto the devs as well.

Gavin Thomas
04-06-2015, 19:47
So when's the next event and what car track combo will it be?

Elmo
04-06-2015, 19:50
So when's the next event and what car track combo will it be?

That really depends. Me and a few others won't be back until the 17th June (Le Mans trip!).

So we need volunteers to organize and host sessions the next two Sundays and next Wednesday.

Gopher04
04-06-2015, 19:51
So when's the next event and what car track combo will it be?

I'm guessing there wont really be a next event till after Lemans, quite a few are over there, and normally the rest of us watch it through a live stream on TS, but you might find Ziggy will sort out something for the NCC guys.

Going back to mine and Elmo's crash, good job Falcon never got involved as well, as there was 2/3 cars behind him, could of turned in to utter carnage..

falcon2081
04-06-2015, 19:58
Going back to mine and Elmo's crash, good job Falcon never got involved as well, as there was 2/3 cars behind him, could of turned in to utter carnage..

I was worried too lol. All I was saying was "OHHHH ****" as it was happening and hoping I didn't get any damage!

Gopher04
04-06-2015, 20:24
Elmo the bump stop defaulting to 0 after a setup is created seems to be happening on alot of vehicles I've messed around with today.

Elmo
04-06-2015, 20:25
Elmo the bump stop defaulting to 0 after a setup is created seems to be happening on alot of vehicles I've messed around with today.

Did you see this outside of Online as well?

ZiggyUK
04-06-2015, 20:27
So when's the next event and what car track combo will it be?

Stick around in forum threads and TeamSpeak and I am sure something can be arranged

Gopher04
04-06-2015, 21:13
Did you see this outside of Online as well?

Yep the test I was doing today was all SP. Also Noticed that the custom livery is still missing from the Formula Gulf.

Stevie_F
04-06-2015, 21:37
Here's the footage from my race where the same flip/bug happened to me. Can't remember the lap, but it was near the end, maybe lap 66/67, pitted on 35.

Also my setup.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud9qUj4xqa4

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EDIT: I had run several times over the bump strip all race, no incidents, no sudden movements and definitely no half flips. The only thing is when I turned into the corner my tyres felt a little loose. when I started the lap they felt good and all previous corners on the same lap felt good until that corner, then after that to the end of the race the tyres felt "slippy" as if I was driving on light rain but had some sort of grip.

Elmo
04-06-2015, 21:54
Yep the test I was doing today was all SP. Also Noticed that the custom livery is still missing from the Formula Gulf.

Reported.

ZiggyUK
04-06-2015, 22:12
As there is nothing going on this Sunday for you guys why not run the same as the [TGC-NCC]s. The grid is a small one so I am sure we can have a couple of lobby's running and mix some NCC's in with TGC & PNC's if required.




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TonyR
04-06-2015, 23:11
Since the Blancpain Series is driving at Zolder this weekend, what about a GT3 (+maybe GT4) race @ Zolder for Wednesday?

If there is interest, let me know, I'd like to take the responsibilites (calculations, race format etc).

ZiggyUK
04-06-2015, 23:19
Thanks Tony

spides
05-06-2015, 07:03
that would be cool!:)


Since the Blancpain Series is driving at Zolder this weekend, what about a GT3 (+maybe GT4) race @ Zolder for Wednesday?

If there is interest, let me know, I'd like to take the responsibilites (calculations, race format etc).

BioForce
05-06-2015, 07:22
Enjoyed this a lot chaps. It is just great fun to push the Lotus 78.

I'm sorry for Gopher and BioForce who I both had come-togethers with. Not much I could about the Gopher situation, but with Bio it seemed I didn't let him enough room and we made contact: Big Sorry!



Today I took a look at the replay to see, if it was the dip´n´flip bug, but I must say that the hitbox model is very very accurate, good job SMS! :yes: You pushed my right rear just a very tiny bit. So, race accident ;) Have fun in LeMans guys!

Elmo
05-06-2015, 08:05
Seem to have forgotten that our cars are wider in the rear :angel:

Timmynator
05-06-2015, 11:13
Mhmmm, Cat7 at Sonoma sounds interesting. GT3s at Zolder, too...

I'll see if I can make it.

Laurens Van Rossem
05-06-2015, 13:46
GT3 at zolder would be cool, there's also an sms-r event, so all the setup work could be used for more than 1 race :)
I already have a Mercedes-Benz-SLS-AMG-GT3 (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?29879-Mercedes-Benz-SLS-AMG-GT3), Audi-R8-LMS-Ultra (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?27970-Audi-R8-LMS-Ultra) and a BMW-Z4-GT3 (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?27891-BMW-Z4-GT3) setup thread up. I'll be doing some work on the ruf today when temps drop. 37°C here :s

Wojciech Siek
05-06-2015, 17:59
Hi, guys!

A tad late but here's my replay of Sunday's race at Sonoma!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QRm9n07ONY

spides
05-06-2015, 20:50
did you get aero damage with that crash with Elmo? didn't see parts fall off and that was quite rough!

Hi, guys!

A tad late but here's my replay of Sunday's race at Sonoma!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QRm9n07ONY

Elmo
05-06-2015, 20:53
Not sure about aero damage, but the alignment was off and the car wasn't going straight anymore.

Timmynator
05-06-2015, 22:56
Thought I'd leave a lap time here for the Cat7 at Sonoma National: 2:01:xxx

Good, bad, I dunno.

@Ziggy: I think I need some clarification. NCC I can parse, but what are PNCs? Are those the FNGs of the FNGs? :D

ZiggyUK
05-06-2015, 23:05
@Ziggy: I think I need some clarification. NCC I can parse, but what are PNCs? Are those the FNGs of the FNGs? :D

206299 NCC New Comers Club

206300 PNC Promoted New Comers

206301 TGC The Gentlemen's Club

Pamellaaa
05-06-2015, 23:39
Thought I'd leave a lap time here for the Cat7 at Sonoma National: 2:01:xxx

Good, bad, I dunno.


I have done a lot of running with these today and I am consistently in the 2:01s, best is 2:00.005 but I am sure I can go quicker with a few more laps!


206299 NCC New Comers Club

206300 PNC Promoted New Comers

206301 TGC The Gentlemen's Club

What are FNGs?

Timmynator
05-06-2015, 23:47
Thanks Ziggy ;)

@ Pamellaaa: Not one of Ziggy's three-letter-acronyms ;) Google will tell you, though...

Pamellaaa
05-06-2015, 23:51
Thanks Ziggy ;)

@ Pamellaaa: Not one of Ziggy's three-letter-acronyms ;) Google will tell you, though...

Got it, ta ;)

ZiggyUK
05-06-2015, 23:58
Thanks Ziggy ;)

No worries mate. The PNC's have passed basic training and have shown to the NCC tutors their spatial awareness, race craft and respect for track,vehicle and player and the tutors consider them safe enough to themselves and others to be able to run in an organised TGC race. The PNC's also re a great help assisting the tutors with the NCC's at times.

Neil Bateman
06-06-2015, 00:34
I know its the case that once you have taken part in a thursday NCC session you are eligable to race on sunday/wednesday, can you just turn up and race as a PNC or is it possible that you could be asked to attend more NCC sessions if its deemed your not ready.

I only ask because although i thought i did ok, from a tutors POV i have no idea how i did compared to others as i did mess up a couple of times.

ZiggyUK
06-06-2015, 02:20
I know its the case that once you have taken part in a thursday NCC session you are eligable to race on sunday/wednesday, can you just turn up and race as a PNC or is it possible that you could be asked to attend more NCC sessions if its deemed your not ready.

I only ask because although i thought i did ok, from a tutors POV i have no idea how i did compared to others as i did mess up a couple of times.

You remain as a NCC with your L-Plate until a tutor gives you your P-Plate making you a PNC.

You could stay a NCC for a considerable time if the tutors feel you are not ready to take part in a full TGC race but it is done for your own benefit really. If someone needs extensive training then we will give them extensive training. To make one thing perfectly clear we would never hold anybody back due to pace/laptime/whatever you wish to call it. It is all based upon how safe you are out there and how much you are going to enjoy the experience.

Sometimes we shall need to hold somebody back who because they are fast at hot lapping think they are perfect for a TGC race. If we believe their spatial awareness is not experience enough then we will continue to train them with special attention given to their problematic area in the NCC.

Hopefully this explains it a little bit more

Westbeef
06-06-2015, 07:26
You remain as a NCC with your L-Plate until a tutor gives you your P-Plate making you a PNC.

You could stay a NCC for a considerable time if the tutors feel you are not ready to take part in a full TGC race but it is done for your own benefit really. If someone needs extensive training then we will give them extensive training. To make one thing perfectly clear we would never hold anybody back due to pace/laptime/whatever you wish to call it. It is all based upon how safe you are out there and how much you are going to enjoy the experience.

Sometimes we shall need to hold somebody back who because they are fast at hot lapping think they are perfect for a TGC race. If we believe their spatial awareness is not experience enough then we will continue to train them with special attention given to their problematic area in the NCC.

Hopefully this explains it a little bit more

I've been practically last every race and got my P :D I can vouch for this.

Martin G Webb
06-06-2015, 09:21
I've been practically last every race and got my P :D I can vouch for this.

There are very good reasons why you've finished last in most of the races you've driven in Ryan and it's nothing to do with your lap time or your race craft, give yourself some credit but at the same time analyse what you're doing and why.

Wojciech Siek
06-06-2015, 09:56
did you get aero damage with that crash with Elmo? didn't see parts fall off and that was quite rough!

I don't think I did, however it is hard to say because my front tire deg was so high that even without a damage the car was massively understeery.

Neil Bateman
06-06-2015, 09:59
Thanks for replies, what i was trying to say was for example at road america i made quite a big mistake while racing with oscar, as it turned out when i lost control i did not take oscar with me and no other cars were close enough to be affected.

If i had have taken oscar out and maybe spun 1 or 2 others, would this have been reviewed and deemed something that would stop me racing sunday, if so i assume i would be informed beforehand.

We all turn up thursday prolly thinking we are good drivers and know what we are doing but there must be times when the tutors think he is not ready and inform them, i wouldnt want to turn up sunday, join TS and someone tell me i am not ready and cant race.

That would be real embarrasing,:)

Timmynator
06-06-2015, 11:14
Sounds to me like you should assume an unchanged status as long as you're not informed of any change in eligibility.

Don't worry, there will be enough races ;)

@ Ziggy: is it ok if we open up our private practice sessions for the NCC/PNC guys even if they aren't yet eligible to participate in the actual race?
Sort of as an unofficial get-together. I'm thinking of prefacing a lobby name with TGC-UNS (unofficial newcomers session) so we'll be able to differentiate between lobby types and PW through TeamSpeak.

ZiggyUK
06-06-2015, 12:46
Sounds to me like you should assume an unchanged status as long as you're not informed of any change in eligibility.

Don't worry, there will be enough races ;)

@ Ziggy: is it ok if we open up our private practice sessions for the NCC/PNC guys even if they aren't yet eligible to participate in the actual race?
Sort of as an unofficial get-together. I'm thinking of prefacing a lobby name with TGC-UNS (unofficial newcomers session) so we'll be able to differentiate between lobby types and PW through TeamSpeak.

Yes I totally encourage this. Just remember these guys need practice at single file formation lap and 2x2 formation starts etc so please continue giving them this practice and do just skip it because the TGC are old hat at it.

The [TGC-UNS] lobby name and steam channel works for me :encouragement:

edit: TS room created for this.

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Timmynator
06-06-2015, 13:09
Cheers Ziggy. I'll usually run a 60 minute warmup session for practice since it gives a nice impression of a changing track as well as enough time to fiddle with setups and test them for more than a lap or two.

We can work some formation lap and 2x2 practices into that :)

RacingTopsy
07-06-2015, 11:26
doh, I was wondering why the thread at wmd went so quiet, then I remembered.. :p

Hate to miss out on the cat7 but I will not be racing this evening. I think the AC/DC concert I'm attending this evening is a valid excuse. ;)

TonyR
07-06-2015, 13:07
For Wednesday I'm thinking about using a short 10 min Qualifying session to separate GT3 and GT4 prior to the race to avoid confusion.

Also I'd like to use some tire wear multiplicator to spice things up. I will test it today and will make some fancy Picture with all the information (Lap Count etc) when it's done.

For now I'd like you to register for the event so I know how many GT3/Gt4 cars will participate (allowed are all TGC and PNC drivers).
>> Entry Form for GT race @ Zolder, Wednesday June 10th, 19:00 UTC (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13G43bHXZqTbjkkfB6Me0kC4viuLmAE3W0wRuNKso4fs/edit?usp=sharing) <<


Edit:

Pls don't do this on Wednesday GT4 drivers ;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZwRpZF8Wys

Timmynator
07-06-2015, 18:01
Don't think I'll make it tonight, brake troubles and I forgot that the F1 race is running at the same time... sorry.

falcon2081
07-06-2015, 20:56
Registered Tony. See you all Wednesday hopefully.

spides
08-06-2015, 09:02
i signed up, but I think if we're too little we should join the Radicals on Wed :)

TonyR
08-06-2015, 10:44
i signed up, but I think if we're too little we should join the Radicals on Wed :)

Yeah, that's always a possibility but to be honest, if we get 10 people it's worth to take the race, can be huge fun (obviously we would not do multiclass then).

>> Entry Form for GT race @ Zolder, Wednesday June 10th, 19:00 UTC (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13G43bHXZqTbjkkfB6Me0kC4viuLmAE3W0wRuNKso4fs/edit?usp=sharing) <<

http://i.imgur.com/3rHC8ae.jpg

Also, people who do not register can also attend on Wednesday, it's just for the overview.

Tricky
08-06-2015, 11:39
Wish I could as I do like Zolder, but I won't be home early enough.

t0daY
08-06-2015, 14:45
Hey guys, im finally back from rock am ring :) just read all the posts I just missed those 5 days, wish I was there for the lotus race :(

Got a nightshift left this week but after that, hope I can finally join you guys :) Wish all the guys on Le Mans lots of fun!!! :)

Yorkie065
08-06-2015, 16:22
Count me in for Weds in a GT3.

Martin G Webb
08-06-2015, 16:42
Hey guys, im finally back from rock am ring :) just read all the posts I just missed those 5 days, wish I was there for the lotus race :(

Got a nightshift left this week but after that, hope I can finally join you guys :) Wish all the guys on Le Mans lots of fun!!! :)

Most of them will be arrested at some point, knowing them as I do.

Obermokel
08-06-2015, 17:34
I love Zolder! Will be joining in a GT4.

Pamellaaa
08-06-2015, 21:55
I'm in, I will try a GT3 I think.

I had the Z4 set up nicely earlier and then I messed with it and made it worse, I managed a mid 1:33 when it was at its best but it's down to about 1:34.5 now, I will do a bit more work on it tomorrow night.

TonyR
08-06-2015, 22:14
Update for Wednesdays Event:

>> Entry Form for GT race @ Zolder, Wednesday June 10th, 19:00 UTC (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13G43bHXZqTbjkkfB6Me0kC4viuLmAE3W0wRuNKso4fs/edit?usp=sharing) <<

Below are the conditions we will have, I will try to start a lobby one hour before the Event actually starts, so I'll be around at 18:00 UTC.

As you can see ABS is explicitly allowed so you can also use the M3 GT with ABS if you want to.

There will be ONE MANDATORY PIT STOP.

You have to pit, however you don't need to refuel or change tires, it's totally up to you. I tested it, you can finish the race without doing anything during the pit stop but the car gets really tricky with worn tires (keep in mind we have 3x tire wear!)
Also you may want to have a look into the pit strategy window before the race to setup your strategy.

The race will be around 45 min long and it will end during daylight.

http://i.imgur.com/Moqcmh5.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/3rHC8ae.jpg

Elmo
09-06-2015, 06:23
Thanks for the great preparation Tony.

One more thing, the Bentley GT3 should be out today on Steam, so give you can give it a proper race baptism tomorrow!

TonyR
09-06-2015, 09:42
One more thing, the Bentley GT3 should be out today on Steam, so give you can give it a proper race baptism tomorrow!

Very nice car to drive, although quite tail happy on default. With some lower Acc Diff and some more rear wing it should be a good addition.

Pamellaaa
09-06-2015, 10:04
Oooh, that sounds like a laugh. I will give the Bentley a good run out tonight!

Laurens Van Rossem
09-06-2015, 10:23
I have an exam on thursday :( would love to join in the bentley :(

TonyR
09-06-2015, 10:53
I have an exam on thursday :( would love to join in the bentley :(

It's only one hour Laurens, you can learn an hour more today and you'll have time ;)

spides
09-06-2015, 14:00
Obermerkel, why not join the Gt3's? cause it seems you'll be the only gt4 and i'm guessing it wont be fun running a class by yourself :P

Matheus Kaspar
09-06-2015, 14:22
Using oculus, I cant see who is talking on teamspeak, neither the nameicons show properly in the race. Also, there is no HUD to see who is in front or back.
Someone else race with oculus? How difficult it is to interact with others?

Gopher04
09-06-2015, 15:12
Why would you not use real settings Tony? ABS/SC/TC, thats the whole point of real, yes some of the 2015 cars don't use SC anymore, but our models ain't based on them, and without for example the Z4 becomes quite unstable.

Laurens Van Rossem
09-06-2015, 15:24
edit: nvm

TonyR
09-06-2015, 15:28
Using oculus, I cant see who is talking on teamspeak, neither the nameicons show properly in the race. Also, there is no HUD to see who is in front or back.
Someone else race with oculus? How difficult it is to interact with others?

Didn't Cluck use it in the last races? Maybe he can help. (from what I can say he did just fine in the races)


Why would you not use real settings Tony? ABS/SC/TC, thats the whole point of real, yes some of the 2015 cars don't use SC anymore, but our models ain't based on them, and without for example the Z4 becomes quite unstable.

To be honest I didn't think about SC at all, forgot that the Z4 is allowed to use it with real settings.

I will do it the following. If someone drives the M3 GT I will allow all 3 aids, If nobody drives it I will just go with "Realistic Aids".

ZiggyUK
09-06-2015, 15:28
Why would you not use real settings Tony? ABS/SC/TC, thats the whole point of real, yes some of the 2015 cars don't use SC anymore, but our models ain't based on them, and without for example the Z4 becomes quite unstable.

Agreed. Tony all the [TGC] races use real assists.

Please also make Autostart Engine = OFF

TonyR
09-06-2015, 16:36
Agreed. Tony all the [TGC] races use real assists.

Please also make Autostart Engine = OFF

Will do that. I only tried to find a solution for the M3 GT as it lets my heart bleed that this wonderful car is not only very light in the Torque values but also missing the important ABS to emphasize its only strength: braking ability.

Also I guess these are the only two exemptions to the real aids, Z4 with additional SC and M3 with missing ABS.

Obermokel
09-06-2015, 16:48
Obermerkel, why not join the Gt3's? cause it seems you'll be the only gt4 and i'm guessing it wont be fun running a class by yourself :P

I will switch over to GT3 tomorrow if there is still no interest in GT4.

Btw, my name is Obermokel, not Obermerkel *lol*

spides
09-06-2015, 17:28
TonyR , I'm still deciding between the RUF or the M3, I personally don;t mind missing aids, no matter the weather, so Real aids is good for me, if any are missing on real that's how it is :)



my bad, sorry :P , I hope that doesn't mean something bad in german eheheh


I will switch over to GT3 tomorrow if there is still no interest in GT4.

Btw, my name is Obermokel, not Obermerkel *lol*

Yorkie065
09-06-2015, 18:20
Just want to point out the Bentley Continental GT3 has no ABS either. Unless I accidentally have managed to turn it off :\

Pamellaaa
09-06-2015, 20:52
Just want to point out the Bentley Continental GT3 has no ABS either. Unless I accidentally have managed to turn it off :\

Mine was flashing the ABS light I am fairly sure.

Yorkie065
09-06-2015, 21:04
Mine was flashing the ABS light I am fairly sure.

Yeh, ignore my last post as I realised I had accidentally turned it off :P

Timmynator
09-06-2015, 21:10
I think I'll join in in the Z4 GT3 - from the DLC section in Steam I take it I'd have to pay for the pleasure of the Continental GT3...

spides
09-06-2015, 23:37
to drive it yes, to look at it ram cars off the track, no :P


I think I'll join in in the Z4 GT3 - from the DLC section in Steam I take it I'd have to pay for the pleasure of the Continental GT3...

ZiggyUK
10-06-2015, 02:43
Yeh, ignore my last post as I realised I had accidentally turned it off :P

I bet that never makes it to video :D

Pamellaaa
10-06-2015, 08:23
Well after yesterdays practice session I am pretty happy with my pace, I am around 1.5 seconds off Gopher on a hot lap but I set mine quite a bit later in the session when the track was colder and it was getting dark, I am hopeful that this will translate to a race pace around 1 second per lap off the leaders and will keep me competitive in the midfield.

I am going to drive the Bentley in the race, I had really ruined the setup of the Z4 in the end and the Bentley is fun and driveable with the tune that I have on it now.

Looking forward to tonight, its a shame about the pit stop issues as it means that if I change tyres at my stop I am going to have 10% less pressure in 2 of my tyres on the second stint than I will in the as you can't go higher than 2.00 Bar in the pit menu. I am thinking I will try to stretch out the first stint a little and then hopefully the dropping track temperature will mean that I can keep the temps under control even with lower pressures later in the race.

TonyR
10-06-2015, 11:19
Looking forward to tonight, its a shame about the pit stop issues as it means that if I change tyres at my stop I am going to have 10% less pressure in 2 of my tyres on the second stint than I will in the as you can't go higher than 2.00 Bar in the pit menu. I am thinking I will try to stretch out the first stint a little and then hopefully the dropping track temperature will mean that I can keep the temps under control even with lower pressures later in the race.

Yes, that's exactly one of the challenges we will be facing tonight. You can change earlier to be on the safe side with tire grip over the race but you will maybe have to drive with wrong tire pressures half of the race.

Or you change quite late to compensate for the wrong pressures but then you'll be in danger of a tricky car in the last laps before your pit stop.

Anyway, this will be an interesting race.

Cleps
10-06-2015, 11:20
I'll try to run the race tonight. I tried the bentley once, and I may have felt in love with. But it was on road america, so it might be harder to control on Zolder. We'll see. What kind of lap times are expected for GT3?

TonyR
10-06-2015, 11:27
I'll try to run the race tonight. I tried the bentley once, and I may have felt in love with. But it was on road america, so it might be harder to control on Zolder. We'll see. What kind of lap times are expected for GT3?

Between 1:30.x and 1:34.x from what I can say.

Pamellaaa
10-06-2015, 13:05
Yes, that's exactly one of the challenges we will be facing tonight. You can change earlier to be on the safe side with tire grip over the race but you will maybe have to drive with wrong tire pressures half of the race.

Or you change quite late to compensate for the wrong pressures but then you'll be in danger of a tricky car in the last laps before your pit stop.

Anyway, this will be an interesting race.

Yeah, I am planning to go as long as the tyres feel ok and then switch, contemplating switching to a harder compound for stint two to compensate for lower pressures, has anyone done any back to back testing to see what the laptime difference is between soft medium and hard?

I am definitely going to build a bit of leeway into my fuel strategy though, I don't want to be forced into two stops if I need to pit earlier than planned because of damage or similar.

Cleps
10-06-2015, 13:33
Any ideas to improve my Bentley experience on Zolder. Currently, I can't go under 1.34. There too many corners, chicanes and bumps/hills. I'm confortable on few other tracks but not this one.

Westbeef
10-06-2015, 13:47
Any ideas to improve my Bentley experience on Zolder. Currently, I can't go under 1.34. There too many corners, chicanes and bumps/hills. I'm confortable on few other tracks but not this one.

Max out the downforce, you don't lose much speed and it'll make it much better.

spides
10-06-2015, 13:50
im doing 1:34's with the RUF can't go any lower, although i haven't done my best to sort suspension out, maybe i'll manage to squeeze some more setup time in tonight before the race

Pamellaaa
10-06-2015, 13:57
Any ideas to improve my Bentley experience on Zolder. Currently, I can't go under 1.34. There too many corners, chicanes and bumps/hills. I'm confortable on few other tracks but not this one.

One thing that Gopher said yesterday that helped me quite a lot was to short shift 2nd to 3rd coming out of the chicanes which helps with getting the power down and doesn't really compromise speed at all.

As others have said max the downforce to give you some confidence over the bumps.

I personally like the rear to feel as close to 'on rails' as possible so I have my rear springs and sway bar softened quite significantly, I think I have also lowered the rear right height slightly and increased the rear bump stops slightly to get the feel I want but I may be wrong on that as I played with so many things last night.

I am happy to post my setup when I get home if you (or anyone else) wants it, its probably far from perfect but I find it nice and forgiving and I got into the 1:32.7s with it yesterday in quite cold and dark conditions and I am far from the fastest driver on the grid.

Edit: I also reduced the Accel lock on the diff and increased the preload, from memory I have the accel at around 10 - 15% and the preload somewhere near 120.

TonyR
10-06-2015, 14:01
Any ideas to improve my Bentley experience on Zolder. Currently, I can't go under 1.34. There too many corners, chicanes and bumps/hills. I'm confortable on few other tracks but not this one.

When I tried it yesterday it was ok to reduce Acc Diff by 10 and to increase rear DF by 1 or 2, felt much better with these settings.

I guess reducing the rear anti roll bar by 1 or 2 can also help.


what the laptime difference is between soft medium and hard?

Last time I tested this (@Oschersleben at the time) it was half a second per lap. So Medium 0.5sec slower than Soft and Hard 0.5sec slower then Medium.

Pamellaaa
10-06-2015, 14:19
Last time I tested this (@Oschersleben at the time) it was half a second per lap. So Medium 0.5sec slower than Soft and Hard 0.5sec slower then Medium.

Thank you, if I get on in time tonight I will see how bad the softs are with the lower pressures to see if it is worth switching to something harder.

Cleps
10-06-2015, 14:41
Thanks for your suggestion. I'll try it during the qualif. Already tested some and it's more confortable. (But stil 1.34 for me ^^)

Pamellaaa
10-06-2015, 14:56
Thanks for your suggestion. I'll try it during the qualif. Already tested some and it's more confortable. (But stil 1.34 for me ^^)

I think 1:33 - 1:34 will likely be my race pace, I was on a slightly lower fuel load and pushing hard to get into the 32s.

BioForce
10-06-2015, 18:29
Sorry guys, I won´t make it in time. Someone else has to do the backmarker ;) Have fun - see u next time!

TonyR
10-06-2015, 20:19
Quali Results:

http://i.imgur.com/jihtg5i.png

TonyR
10-06-2015, 20:20
Fastest Laps:

http://i.imgur.com/xrMRiCp.png

Race Results:

http://i.imgur.com/5SogwXz.png

Pamellaaa
10-06-2015, 20:25
Thanks all for the race, I had a bit of a shocker with an early spin and therefore a pit for damage on lap 6. I had nothing setup other than soft tyres so left with 24 laps on Softs and with damage mounting up for no reason I could find.

Ended up with all 4 brakes at about 10% damage as well as 6% engine and 12% aero, I hope I didn't get in anyones way.

TonyR
10-06-2015, 20:49
I have to say: awesome race!

The Quali session did make things a little bit more serious, as your performance there could decide over the whole race. I was getting quite nervous to be honest so my race start was rather conservative.

JetPistol got by and unfortunately he had this warping bug :( which hit me hard in the first lap with Aero and suspension damage following.

However I did make it to the pits more or less in one piece and the damage was repaired as well as the tires changed.

That brought up a whole new race for me. Now it wasn't fighting off Jet, Zsolt and others, it was just me and the track, driving alone lap for lap :D
Fortunately I made no stupid mistakes and was able climb up right to P1 (Zsolt, you had a Problem during the pit stop?).

Now the next problem came across, tire degradation. Having my fastest lap of the race in the first third of the race my lap times slowly but surely decreased until I ended up with laps 2 sec slower and the last two laps already 4 sec slower (I drove really safe there because I was afraid to spin with these old, worn tires).

In the end it worked after an awful start and I have to say it was one of the more exciting races I had so far.

A big compliment to all drivers on track! Very fair and clean driving as far as I can tell, very good guys!

Also transitioning from Quali to Race worked like a charm, no drop outs, nothing. Only problems were the bumper cam bug and the disabled drive button bug. For these two things I added 5 min to the Quali session to have the time for people needing to rejoin.

Very nice, see you next time on track!
Tony

spides
10-06-2015, 21:02
great race guys! :) as always enjoyed it! even though i'm a backmarker :P anyways here's some screenshots!

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Also would these be considered as penalties?
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TonyR
10-06-2015, 21:32
Also would these be considered as penalties?

I would say yes, basically.

However I'm an advocate of "do what the game allows you to do".
It's so much easier to marshal if you allow things like that, however that's only my opinion and I admit for nice and clean league racing this shouldn't happen.

So, to say something definite: Allowed as long as we don't have race marshals but morally wrong ;)

ZiggyUK
10-06-2015, 22:12
Yes those are penalties. They are against all driving rules and considered as cheating if done on purpose.

IRL a record is kept of every vehicle that does this and when necessary a Warning, drive through, disqualification is issued.

The TGC ethos is that we strongly oppose this form of cheating.

edit: Why do you think those warning posts are there .... consider what happens IRL when those posts are knocked over :apathy:

Yorkie065
10-06-2015, 22:15
I would say yes, basically.

However I'm an advocate of "do what the game allows you to do".
It's so much easier to marshal if you allow things like that, however that's only my opinion and I admit for nice and clean league racing this shouldn't happen.

So, to say something definite: Allowed as long as we don't have race marshals but morally wrong ;)

I agree that it is considered as penalty worthy, however I do not agree with the "do what the game allows you to do". The game and pretty much any game for that, is inconsistent across tracks. Someone could end up discovering a magical short cut that gains them seconds worth of time with no penalty which can be abused when people aren't looking. People aren't on even ground going into the race and it causes uncertainty around the rule. 2 wheels should be inside the white lines at all times. It's simple to follow and easy to understand. It's also clear as day on the circuit as to what the track limits are too. Yes people are going to make mistakes, mis-judgements which mean that they are going to break it from time to time when pushing hard, but at least everyone has an even understanding of the rules, and there is no real room for abuse. It can be hard to steward at times, but hopefully if they get replays sorted and your racing with the right people, drivers won't or shouldn't do it.

ZiggyUK
10-06-2015, 22:23
The TGC does not in anyway condone "do what the game allows you to do" as the game "allows you to run other drivers off the track", "allows you to under cut on a corner", "allows you to drive right across some corners without penalty", etc., etc.

Be under no misconception. The TGC has not, will not and will never adapt this attitude. Those found conducting themselves like that are penalised in a league race.



So, to say something definite: Allowed as long as we don't have race marshals but morally wrong ;)

This is not acceptable Tony in a TGC event. Please disregard this statement as a personal opinion of the writer and NOT the views or rulings of The Gentlemen's Club.

spides
10-06-2015, 22:32
haha those cones didn't last long xD, I try and always keep at least 2 wheels on track :)

Timmynator
10-06-2015, 23:07
Since that's my Z4 in the picture (I chose the livery with stars since it's distinctive enough from the back for those "I was racing a blue car" moments):

I don't like being accused of cheating. I'll go far out of my way to stay on track even if I misjudge one of my corners, usually wrecking my entire lap in the process. From the lighting you can see that this is quite early in the race, still the poles didn't even survive the first lap. Has anyone considered that it might've been just that, a misjudged corner entry / locked up fronts? Is that my regular racing line? Did it happen multiple times?

As for the corners shows in the two last pictures: the first chicane has a Ludwigteller-variant on the inside, the next chicane uses the ever famous loaf-of-bread curbs. Those curbs have the significant advantage of imparting their own policing - take them too hard and you'll end up in a spin and/or with either suspension or aero damage (guess how I know?). That's not saying we shouldn't adhere to the 2-inside-the-white rule, but the picture alone takes the context out of the situation.

Apart from that, I actually came in to say that it was a great race, some minor bumps and scrapes along the way but great close racing with the TGC regulars and the new guys.

spides
10-06-2015, 23:14
i doubt that's you Timmy, as i was at the back of the field, there were a couple duplicate liveries for the Z4.


Also I did not want to start a war or point fingers, just wanted to bring some things to light :)


Since that's my Z4 in the picture (I chose the livery with stars since it's distinctive enough from the back for those "I was racing a blue car" moments):

I don't like being accused of cheating. I'll go far out of my way to stay on track even if I misjudge one of my corners, usually wrecking my entire lap in the process. From the lighting you can see that this is quite early in the race, still the poles didn't even survive the first lap. Has anyone considered that it might've been just that, a misjudged corner entry / locked up fronts? Is that my regular racing line? Did it happen multiple times?

As for the corners shows in the two last pictures: the first chicane has a Ludwigteller-variant on the inside, the next chicane uses the ever famous loaf-of-bread curbs. Those curbs have the significant advantage of imparting their own policing - take them too hard and you'll end up in a spin and/or with either suspension or aero damage (guess how I know?). That's not saying we shouldn't adhere to the 2-inside-the-white rule, but the picture alone takes the context out of the situation.

Apart from that, I actually came in to say that it was a great race, some minor bumps and scrapes along the way but great close racing with the TGC regulars and the new guys.

Timmynator
10-06-2015, 23:24
Nope, mine was the only car running the Clarky livery (white front, red mirrors, blue with stars in the back) this race - the other Z4s are accounted for, you can all of them in the first picture, the other 3 guys were running mainly orange liveries. ;)

We were actually racing each other for position for the first few laps iirc. Then I slept my way to the top through superior tactics, e.g. pitting at a random point and not overtaking anyone else for the rest of the race :p

ZiggyUK
10-06-2015, 23:46
Timmy - no one is pointing fingers Timmy and I know that by your reputation you would rather give up time and lift your foot of the gas for a second or two than cheat. I can fully understand those being an error.

What I however cannot have put out there under the name of TGC is a statement that we "allow what you can get away with". I know you would agree with me on that one as you have agreed and helped enforce the FIA tracks rules with me. It is important especially to the NCC & PNC's to know where the TGC stands on these issues

Timmynator
10-06-2015, 23:56
'course not. I was merely pointing out that ruling something as cheating isn't as black and white as showing a picture - as an example of what (not) to do (you've done your own good/bad pics for our races) it's ok, but it can't be the only way to assess the situation.

falcon2081
11-06-2015, 00:57
the other 3 guys were running mainly orange liveries. ;)

Of course we were! Everyone KNOWS Orange is the best color for the Z:cool:

As for me I tried to stay with Yorkie since we he was kind enough to copy my chosen livery ;) at the beginning of the race but alas I got held up by some people and I did not want to be super aggressive. I got stuck behind alex_salmon whose Audi was doing some very weird stuff lol. By the time I got through the leaders were all gone. I didn't get to practice at all for this race but I was surprised when I had a very good pace. The pitstop was what got me in the end. Poorly planned from not practicing whatsoever with the chosen car, track, and setup. Next time for sure. Shame I forgot to save the replay as well sigh. Overall though it was a great race and I was surprised with 5th. Not too shabby for only getting 10 full laps of practice before the race.

Gopher04
11-06-2015, 07:42
When it comes down to the corner cutting, you will never beable to police it 100% maybe not even 50%, all you can do is trust in the drivers, but as for the chicanes at places like Zolder which have removable bollards on them, they could be made stronger so they have a slight effect on the car when hitting them, but not light concrete effects which is what happened at Spa, but also they need to re-sporne for all drivers as they do highlight where the corner is and the track width you can use there, which is very generous at Zolder..But just to highlight every driver in the TGC at some point cuts corners, we've all seen it, but as for knowing if it's abit of error, cause it doesn't take much, or if its deliberate, that's the hard bit.

Pamellaaa
11-06-2015, 08:06
Ziggy> Is it a 2 wheels inside the line rule or single point of contact with the track (as we have been instructed in NCC races) as on some of the sharp chicanes like Zolder you could take a line that will take all 4 wheels off track but have the fronts back on before the rears cross the white line.

As others have said its always going to be impossible to police and there will need to be an element of trusting each driver but knowing exactly how the TGC view the rules will be a big help.

I have seen with other series on other games that with league races there are often track specific rules about what is and isn't deemed a cut in unusual circumstances, is this something that TGC do when the leagues start up again?

TonyR
11-06-2015, 08:27
Ziggy of course it's only my personal opinion what I said, I even said "that's only my opinion" ;)

Everyone should know the TGC rules by now (although I don't seem to find them here on the new forums!?)

spides
11-06-2015, 08:35
I think zolder's chicane is not that small, I need to check it but, I think all 4 wheels will be off track if you cut as shown in the images on page 19 unless you're racing a limo :P


Ziggy> Is it a 2 wheels inside the line rule or single point of contact with the track (as we have been instructed in NCC races) as on some of the sharp chicanes like Zolder you could take a line that will take all 4 wheels off track but have the fronts back on before the rears cross the white line.

As others have said its always going to be impossible to police and there will need to be an element of trusting each driver but knowing exactly how the TGC view the rules will be a big help.

I have seen with other series on other games that with league races there are often track specific rules about what is and isn't deemed a cut in unusual circumstances, is this something that TGC do when the leagues start up again?

Pamellaaa
11-06-2015, 08:43
I think zolder's chicane is not that small, I need to check it but, I think all 4 wheels will be off track if you cut as shown in the images on page 19 unless you're racing a limo :P

I think the images are probably extreme cases where all 4 are off but I am sure it would be possible to take the line I described in the first chicane at least.

Will Fly
11-06-2015, 11:12
The dogs Bollocks
great race thank you all.

Neil Bateman
11-06-2015, 11:37
Great fun last night, all was going well after inheriting 3rd place after a couple of errors from 1 or 2 others, even stayed out a lap longer than the lead 2 just to say i have led a TGC race:)

It was the pit stop that shafted me, i obviously did something wrong in setting the pit stop up as i ended up with more fuel, 80 or 90 litres and no tyre change, just a total disaster, up to then i felt comfortable and in a nice rythm and was consistant with my lap times, dissapointed with qualy, could not get a clean lap and only managed a mid 1:32, felt like i had another second i could have found.

One thing for sure, you cant compete using the default set up, i know that much.

Got to look into the pit stop thing as i thought i was set up to get no fuel and 4 tyres.

JetPistol
11-06-2015, 12:47
IRL a record is kept of every vehicle that does this and when necessary a Warning, drive through, disqualification is issued.

The TGC ethos is that we strongly oppose this form of cheating.

edit: Why do you think those warning posts are there .... consider what happens IRL when those posts are knocked over :apathy:

I agree with the essence of your post. But please see this reference video for professional GT3 racing. Nearly all of the cars are exploiting the tracklimits severals times per lap - at least by the 2-wheels-within-the-lines definition. I can't remember that there were punishments for that. Which means this arguement wouldn't work that good in a serious discussion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJvr3HzCQBw

Yorkie065
11-06-2015, 16:32
I agree with the essence of your post. But please see this reference video for professional GT3 racing. Nearly all of the cars are exploiting the tracklimits severals times per lap - at least by the 2-wheels-within-the-lines definition. I can't remember that there were punishments for that. Which means this arguement wouldn't work that good in a serious discussion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJvr3HzCQBw

But what we're trying to create is a fair and friendly racing environment, where everyone has a clear understanding of the rules. If the 'one or two wheels inside the white lines' rule wasn't to apply, it would just be a case of people seeing who can cut or extend the corners the most without getting a penalty, it takes less skill! Where-as pushing that limit yet keeping it legal with one or two wheels still within the white lines, take's a lot more skill to pull off. It helps drivers develop their skills, become faster if there is a clear cut limit which they know they shouldn't exceed.

Also, whilst professional drivers do clearly extend and cut, especially in GT, the last 2 years the stewards have been a lot more weary and harsh on the matter. There's a lot more warnings and penalties being thrown down on drivers for abusing track limits now than I have seen in the past.

Papa H
11-06-2015, 16:36
Hi all, was a lot of fun last night. was managing to stay with the pack for quite a while. but blew the pit stop, some how another cars was loaded , hence wrong tyre temps, they were cooked after 4 laps, and it was cool evening weather. i had to pit again, OH well, you live and learn.

hope i didnt stray to much over the white lines , was trying mighty hard not to, good clean racing from everyone.

Roger

ZiggyUK
11-06-2015, 20:47
Ziggy> Is it a 2 wheels inside the line rule or single point of contact with the track (as we have been instructed in NCC races) as on some of the sharp chicanes like Zolder you could take a line that will take all 4 wheels off track but have the fronts back on before the rears cross the white line.

As others have said its always going to be impossible to police and there will need to be an element of trusting each driver but knowing exactly how the TGC view the rules will be a big help.

I have seen with other series on other games that with league races there are often track specific rules about what is and isn't deemed a cut in unusual circumstances, is this something that TGC do when the leagues start up again?

A single point of contact must be in contact with the track at all times.

Once again here is the quote from the official real life rule book



14.5. Drivers must use the track at all times. For the avoidance of doubt:

(a) the white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not, and;

(b) a driver will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with the track.

(c) Repetition of serious mistakes or the appearance of a lack of control over the car (such as leaving the track) will be reported to the Clerk of Course and may entail the imposition of penalties up to and including the exclusion of any driver concerned.

14.5.1. Should a car leave the track for any reason and without prejudice to 14.5(c), the driver may rejoin. However, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any advantage. A ‘Drive Through’ penalty may be imposed for any driver believed to have gained any advantage.


Every TGC & NCC has been sent these Rules and Regulations so there is no doubt where we, TGC, stand on this issue.

Trust & Faith in other drivers is a major part of belonging to TGC, otherwise I might as well fold the TGC up now.

BTW ~ We have in the past policed the track with non-racing participants acting as Stewards. If you join one of our leagues you will be expected to remain in a race until it is 100% complete whether your car is on the track or not. If youi are unable to complete a race you are expected to then act as a marshal policing a specific location.

Yes every race in a league comes with a track specific document which is a Supplemental Rulings to those you already know. For example at the Hockenheim Procar race I allowed you to use all of the green asphalt runoffs because of the rain. You were also allowed to run wide at T1 on the first lap of the race only as a safety measure.

ZiggyUK
11-06-2015, 20:56
Ziggy of course it's only my personal opinion what I said, I even said "that's only my opinion" ;)

Everyone should know the TGC rules by now (although I don't seem to find them here on the new forums!?)

The Rules and Regulations are emailed to EVERY [TGC-NCC].

Every league thread will also include all the usual menu's and area's we have covered in the past ..... ie

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ZiggyUK
11-06-2015, 21:03
I agree with the essence of your post. But please see this reference video for professional GT3 racing. Nearly all of the cars are exploiting the tracklimits severals times per lap - at least by the 2-wheels-within-the-lines definition. I can't remember that there were punishments for that. Which means this arguement wouldn't work that good in a serious discussion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJvr3HzCQBw

I can counter that video if needed but to be honest I can not be bothered. Those drivers would have been told in the prerace drivers meeting what is and what is not allowed by the ADAC Tracks CoC. Exactly the same way you guys are told in a league race document what is and is not allowed.

Not all race series are equal ... and please do not introduce the ALMS into this conversation.

I follow the FIA rulings, TGC follow the FIA rulings .... if a driver wants to NOT abide by the CoC rulings then they are welcome to find a different club/public lobby to race in as they will be penalised in TGC.

Martin G Webb
12-06-2015, 08:14
I know and understand that some may feel we have too many 'Rules and regulations' within the TCG, however these and the trust it encourages between the drivers is what sets us apart from the public mash up's you can find online.

While we don't have major safety issues to worry about, no one is going to get killed in one of our races, (Unless I forgot to do something for Mrs W) but we all start on an equal footing, all knowing what's expected of us as participants and from each other, these are the core values the NCC is bringing through to the feature races and in the near future the leagues. I have a vested interest so you can take my point of view with a pinch of salt but insisting on rules and respect aren't a bad thing for the club or the game.

TonyR
12-06-2015, 14:31
Here's my race from Wednesday, I marked the most interesting moments in the video description ;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AppJTCZWZgE

--- Timestamps ---
00:01:00 Qualifying starts
00:04:15 Start of fastest Quali Lap
00:16:15 Start of Formation Lap
00:19:10 Start of the Race
00:20:03 JetPistol got a warping bug which damaged my car, I try to get back to the pits, this also gets me the opportunity to serve my mandatory pit stop at 00:20:53
00:32:30 From now on overtaking begins
00:38:09 Overtake attempt for a Pack of 3 Number 1, resulting in a nice fight until...
00:39:45 I can finally overtake both of them in the same spot, nice racing guys!
00:41:45 Overtaking Stevie
In the meantime people are going into the pits...
00:46:11 I'm in first, with Yorkie 4 sec behind me
Now I'm just maintaining the gap and trying to bring it to the finish line with worn tires
01:04:35 Finish Line! Wonderful race.

JetPistol
12-06-2015, 19:28
But what we're trying to create is a fair and friendly racing environment, where everyone has a clear understanding of the rules. If the 'one or two wheels inside the white lines' rule wasn't to apply, it would just be a case of people seeing who can cut or extend the corners the most without getting a penalty, it takes less skill! Where-as pushing that limit yet keeping it legal with one or two wheels still within the white lines, take's a lot more skill to pull off. It helps drivers develop their skills, become faster if there is a clear cut limit which they know they shouldn't exceed.


No offense here Yorkie, but seriously, I'm begging you. I've been racing within the WSPSC and TGC leagues for years. There's no need to remind me of the basic rules and principles of league racing and fairness. :cool:

Also, there's no real causal relationship between my post and your response. What I've been questioning (by showing that video) was Ziggy's arguement that 'IRL' drivers either stick to the rules or else get penalized. No, they don't - at least not all time or in any case. That surely doesn't mean (and I've never said that) we - as gentlemen online racers - should exploit tracklimits, too. So please don't get me wrong on this.
What I wanted to point out is that you cannot seriously justify our rule framework based on real life races alone which you should strictly separate from real life regulations simply because - taking the video as reference - not every (obvious) violation of rules gets penalized. That means we just should stick to our framework as it is established, fair and reliable. Taking real life situations as reference isn't necessarily rational because marshalling decisions often involve a rather wide margin of discretion.


I can counter that video if needed but to be honest I can not be bothered. Those drivers would have been told in the prerace drivers meeting what is and what is not allowed by the ADAC Tracks CoC. Exactly the same way you guys are told in a league race document what is and is not allowed.

Again, I'm not questioning our rules and regulations. I'm questioning the 'IRL'-arguement as it isn't that useful in this case for the reasons given above.

ZiggyUK
12-06-2015, 21:42
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Timmynator
12-06-2015, 22:01
Here's my race from Wednesday, I marked the most interesting moments in the video description ;)


Nice to hear we're good old friends ;) Thanks for adding to my reputation :D I could've sworn I was in a fight with the Bentley when you overtook both of us...might've been alexsalmon after all.

Liking your live commentary, too - at first I was confused because I couldn't remember you talking so much on TS. Makes the replay more involving and quite cool that you have the time to do a running commentary during your race.

Good racing :)

JetPistol
13-06-2015, 03:42
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I pretty much think we're talking past each other. :confused: I know these regulations and I'm not questioning the essence of the rules. But these have little value if not applied consequently which often is the case (see video). Not because the rule itself is wrong or something but because there would have been dozens of tracklimit-penalties in a single race 'IRL'. Real life racing situations are not always the best reference, (written) real life regulations are (at least closer to that).

Timmynator
13-06-2015, 13:07
Maybe we can agree that there's a clear-cut set of rules that in certain cases can be adjusted by the race director at his discretion?

I fear this might otherwise become a long discussion where all parties are actually on the same side without realizing it because they're "just trying to make this-or-that point" ;)

ZiggyUK
13-06-2015, 15:42
Yes I agree with both of you guys.

The basics I was trying to say was that we, as in the TGC, follow the FIA. Quite often German series do not seem to keep to these rulings neither do the American series but it is hard NOT to sound racist to say that the TGC go against these series decisions. It always appears that I these discussions/debates with Germans because of the ADAC and Americans/Canadians because of the ALMS.

The other complicator is of course it depends on the vehicles in use. You can (IRL) go to a circuit where the CoC may say during the pre-race briefing that you are not allowed to let any part of the car go outside of the white track limits - the CoC has total control of his track. This can often be a decision implemented for rookie series to keep the rookies slower and safe. As you know from our series I will allow off track at some specific corners on specific tracks or as I did the other week with the NCC in the wet I let them use the full extent of the green asphalt etc. But I do get at what you are saying because of the ADAC video's.

Anyway enough of this as Timmy suggested :D

ZiggyUK
13-06-2015, 15:57
☢ [TGC-ADC] The Gentlemen's Club™ - Autocross Driving Club ☢ (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?31153-☢-TGC-ADC-The-Gentlemen-s-Club™-Autocross-Driving-Club-☢)

For those who like this kind of thing

ZiggyUK
14-06-2015, 21:24
Just to let you know TeamSpeak is playing up. I think I have auto logged in and out around 5 times in the last 15mins.

Elmo
16-06-2015, 16:09
Hey chaps,

I'm back from Le Mans, but not quite ready to organize a race yet (basically unpacking and then packing again for a 2-day business trip). My suggestion for tomorrow (19:00 UTC) would be a practice session for the combo I want to run on Sunday:

Racing Icons at Le Mans

The idea is a 90 minute race around the Le Mans 24h circuit using the LM cars introduced with the Racing Icons Car Pack: Bentley Speed8, BMW V12 LMR, McLaren F1 GTR, Mercedes-Benz CLK-LM

We can use the test session to figure out how those cars are balanced against each other (probably it'll be Bentley vs. BMW and McLaren vs. Mercedes, judging by the leaderboard). Also I'm curios to see if the changes introduced to Pit Strategy and Pit Stop with the new patch work as intended.

So see you guys tomorrow - I'm sure a few of our Le Mans travelers will be around as well and can share a few good stories.

NemethR
16-06-2015, 16:13
I would be totally happy if I could join for that Sundays Race - I love that BMW V12 LMR.
Not sure if I am allowed or not tough.

Blackvault
16-06-2015, 16:18
I'm up for that Elmo.

All unpacked, washing done and back to work today :(

Pete

alex salmon
16-06-2015, 17:13
Sounds great :)
i may have to leave early Wednesday as i have a mock exam the next morning but obviously golden era lmps are a good excuse for failing right? ;)

Gavin Thomas
16-06-2015, 17:21
Oh now that sounds like fun, I love the anything McLaren related. :D

ZiggyUK
16-06-2015, 18:02
I would be totally happy if I could join for that Sundays Race - I love that BMW V12 LMR.
Not sure if I am allowed or not tough.

Nemeth you got your 208009 so as a [TGC-PNC] you are free to join in with this event.

Gavin Thomas
16-06-2015, 18:36
Nemeth you got your 208009 so as a [TGC-PNC] you are free to join in with this event.

As you are the CEO of The Gentlemen's Club, I think you should make an executive decision and get involved in it.

NemethR
16-06-2015, 20:23
Nemeth you got your 208009 so as a [TGC-PNC] you are free to join in with this event.

WoW, yay, thank you guys!
Hopefully I will not disappoint :)

NemethR
16-06-2015, 21:48
...
(probably it'll be Bentley vs. BMW and McLaren vs. Mercedes, judging by the leaderboard).
...


I did a few laps with both the Bentley and the BMW around the track.
Managed a 3:35.5 with the BMW, and a 3:35.7 with the Bentley...
They seem to be pretty good balanced. :D

Elmo
17-06-2015, 09:57
Thanks mate. Hard to judge by the leaderboard anyway, since you can cut a bit at the moment at Le Mans.

Looking forward to the practice session tonight. Didn't find the time yesterday to have a go at pCars at all.

Yorkie065
17-06-2015, 10:31
It's highly unlikely that I shall be joining you guys tonight. I've been combating man flu since 9pm Sat evening and still not in any sort of fit state to focus properly and enjoy it. Will probably end up being more of a hindrance. Will hopefully be there for the main race on Sunday though

Westbeef
17-06-2015, 11:33
I'm going to skip the practice for the NCC race, but do you mind if I join Sunday? I'd prefer a Bentley but I've not even purchase the dlc yet.

Topsie
17-06-2015, 14:01
Really enjoying the BMW so will have a good practice with that tonight

NemethR
17-06-2015, 16:58
Really enjoying the BMW so will have a good practice with that tonight

That thing actually managed to be my new favorite car of the game :)

Topsie
17-06-2015, 17:11
Just sat here waiting for my wheel to be delivered, so may end up spending time setting that up:)

Topsie
17-06-2015, 19:33
Sorry I had to go early, Hospital in the morning to sort my eye ulcer out:( Already had needles stuck in it so not really looking forward to it.

Enjoy practice

ZiggyUK
18-06-2015, 04:21
Hope all goes well Topsie :sour:

PerFixAlot
18-06-2015, 09:25
Here's a segment of me driving the Bentley Speed 8 from yesterday's practice session, I will post the setup when I get around to writing it down.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2attHMCKso

My fastest time was 3:31.552 in the 9th lap.

In the second part of the session I got disconnected from the session. I quit the game, restarted Steam, and when I went back in I was suddenly struggling getting lap times under 3:40.
This morning I just tried again, and with a full tank I was again easily doing 3:34.xxx times or faster, so I suppose there was some bug in the setup when I rejoined for the 2nd part last night.
Still, my top speed in the 2nd part was above 320Km/h, so I don't know how I lost 7-8 seconds.. maybe it was something with the steering ratio that caused the issue, as I couldn't keep my usual line through the Porsche curves.

Tricky
18-06-2015, 09:47
LOL @ Pete at the start of that video

Westbeef
18-06-2015, 10:15
What decides what car we use? Just so I know before I practice in something I won't be using :)

NemethR
18-06-2015, 10:18
What decides what car we use? Just so I know before I practice in something I won't be using :)

I believe, you choose one :)

Papa H
18-06-2015, 16:18
those were some loud , crunchy crisps........Pete.......lol

Gopher04
18-06-2015, 17:52
I believe, you choose one :)

As long as it's one of the cars that came with the Racing Icon DLC..

quelus
18-06-2015, 17:57
Is any one else going for the GT1 cars?
I dont want to be surprised if Id have to race with myself lol.

ZiggyUK
18-06-2015, 19:22
What decides what car we use? Just so I know before I practice in something I won't be using :)

Practice in all of them and then you get to know their strength and weaknesses. That way when you are overtaking, lapping, defending, someone then you know what is the best way to do it so as to not interfere with their race.

i.e. is it better to overtake a BMW M3 GTE on the left or the right ...... think about it before you answer and give your reason why.

Blackvault
18-06-2015, 21:18
LOL @ Pete at the start of that video


those were some loud , crunchy crisps........Pete.......lol

It was a Cadbury's mini roll :)

Pete

Westbeef
18-06-2015, 21:57
Practice in all of them and then you get to know their strength and weaknesses. That way when you are overtaking, lapping, defending, someone then you know what is the best way to do it so as to not interfere with their race.

i.e. is it better to overtake a BMW M3 GTE on the left or the right ...... think about it before you answer and give your reason why.

I'd say on the left because the right has a hideous blind spot!

matungwa
18-06-2015, 22:02
when will you guys be in ps4?

ZiggyUK
18-06-2015, 22:14
I'd say on the left because the right has a hideous blind spot!

Very good :encouragement: and the only way to know and understand these facts are to practice other vehicles as well as you own.

You also can not see the offside mirror when you use the cockpit view (in general) whereas the M3 driver will see you in their nearside mirror as you approach (in general)

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Westbeef
18-06-2015, 22:32
Very good :encouragement: and the only way to know and understand these facts are to practice other vehicles as well as you own.

You also can not see the offside mirror when you use the cockpit view (in general) whereas the M3 driver will see you in their nearside mirror as you approach (in general)

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I noticed that too, without being able to turn the head you can't see a thing over there. I could use my thumbstick but still see f all.