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Adamo
12-06-2015, 21:58
Today i just drive what i think is the worst car to drive of the game: the Lotus 49 in the Vintage Lotus '67 Championship.

It has no grip at all, a lot of understeer on slow corners and it spin the wheels every time i go near the throttle.

And you guys: what's your worst car to drive in Project Cars ?

1959SLP
12-06-2015, 22:01
Sounds just like the real car... which apparently had a horrible 'push'.

OperatorWay
12-06-2015, 22:07
Is it worse than the '67 Ford MkIV?

Trooper117
12-06-2015, 22:13
I love taking the Lotus 49 around Spa... it is twitchy, and you have to get the tyres warmed up properly, but even then you have to be careful... but it's still a great car and fun to drive :)

Ian Bell
12-06-2015, 22:19
Just a shout out to those saying we don't allow people to complain or criticise.

We won't close a thread such as this as it's unemotional, isn't abusing anyone and doesn't assume your 39 quid buys our first born and unending patience to listen to you repeat the same complaint 20 times.

Plus it's useful as we'd really like to know so we can do something about it.

mister dog
12-06-2015, 22:19
Renault Megane took me ages to get it to handle normally and it still needs tuning, and the Lotus '72 wants to kill you as soon as your little toe touches the gas pedal (even after 1.4).

Adamo
12-06-2015, 22:22
I bought the DLC with the Mark IV just yesterday; today i try it and i find out :)

mister dog
12-06-2015, 22:24
I bought the DLC with the Mark IV just yesterday; today i try it and i find out :)

It's tricky but IMO definitely not 'bad'. Standard setup needs work though, as i doubt anyone could have done a couple of laps in real life with it without crashing out.

Raven403
12-06-2015, 22:26
Mark Iv for me. ::shudder::

GamingCanuck
12-06-2015, 22:27
The lotus 49 is supposed to not be easy to drive, just look at it. It looks like it eats children's souls for breakfast while doing 160mph. As far as which car is the worst, I'm going to say most of the road cars, even the high performance cars. The only road car that's even remotely close to how I'd expect it to drive is the P1.

BDR Daz
12-06-2015, 22:27
Gotta be the Bentley Continental GT for me, I just cant get to grips with it !!

Disposable_Hero
12-06-2015, 22:31
Call me a bloody ignorant idiot but i avoid all road cars - i want DOWNFORCE!!!:)
The great thing about pCARS is, thereīs a favorite car for literally anybody in it.

MikeyTT
12-06-2015, 22:35
Whilst I agree that the Lotus 49 is a bit of a beast, I think your title should be "Hardest car..." not "Worst car...".

All the cars are great in their own way. Just some will bite you first before you finally tame them ;)

Ian Bell
12-06-2015, 22:37
Gotta be the Bentley Continental GT for me, I just cant get to grips with it !!

Try reducing your rear tyre pressures. I think we went a bit high on the default setup.

BDR Daz
12-06-2015, 22:42
Try reducing your rear tyre pressures. I think we went a bit high on the default setup.

Will do ! it is the exit of the corners that are biting me

Ian Bell
12-06-2015, 22:43
Will do ! it is the exit of the corners that are biting me

It should help a lot there. Soften the accel diff a little if that's not enough.

Pink_650S
12-06-2015, 22:44
Try reducing your rear tyre pressures. I think we went a bit high on the default setup.

I happen to be at Imola with the Continental at the moment, so this is much appreciated!
Theres something to be learned everywhere you look :)

BTT: Anything that has Ariel in its name :p

Adamo
12-06-2015, 22:44
So this is my response on the Lotus 49: (i use the pad and i play on PS4)

I have switch off ALL the assist; i do today the Vintage '67 Lotus Championship, with qualifications and races; immediately during the first session of practice i notice that the car has so little grip on the corners, spin the wheels every time i touched the throttle and a lot of understeer on slow corners; so i went to box, set the tire pressure on 1 bar (rear and front) and go out again: same result.

So i go to the pits again and set the tires pressure on 1,23 bar (rear and front): i go out to try it and the understeer improves a bit, but the tires spin even more easily then before; so the last time i set the tires on 0.92 bar (rear) and 0.96 (front): a bit of understeer is remained (but acceptable), but on some occasion the wheel spin even at 15-20 Mph with very gentle throttle (for example on the last hairpin bend on SPA-Francorchamps).

I hope i be helpful on this, and thank Ian for the interest :)

Pcars
12-06-2015, 22:45
Try reducing your rear tyre pressures. I think we went a bit high on the default setup.

Any recommended pressures Ian, I am awful at guessing this sort of stuff.

Ian Bell
12-06-2015, 22:49
Any recommended pressures Ian, I am awful at guessing this sort of stuff.

I always go a few clicks down, test then go further if needed.

Bobbydakid
12-06-2015, 23:12
The Lotus 49 is hard to drive but so rewarding when you get it right, I find it exhausting to drive as you have to concentrate so much. God knows how the drivers back in the day drove this thing on the limit!

Worst cars for me (actually I prefer to say least favourite) are the slower road cars, I just find them a bit boring. I love all the race cars though and the new DLC is awesome - that Bentley Speed 8 around Road America is so much fun :)

sVig
12-06-2015, 23:50
Ya, that damn Ford mark IV is just horrid to drive if there are corners.

RobMUFC1987
12-06-2015, 23:58
Once you learn that you need to drive the MK IV slower round corners because of tyres, it's a joy to drive. The slower Caterham is hell to drive but so much fun

David Semperger
13-06-2015, 00:53
Today i just drive what i think is the worst car to drive of the game: the Lotus 49 in the Vintage Lotus '67 Championship.

It has no grip at all, a lot of understeer on slow corners and it spin the wheels every time i go near the throttle.

Try these changes:

Tire Pressure: 0.95 bar front / 0.9 bar rear
Brake Pressure: 75%, at the default 90% I've found it damn hard to avoid locking my tires without ABS. Moving the brake bias more towards the rear could also work, seeing how wide rear tires the L49 has, but I didn't have time to experiment with that.
Rear Toe-in: 0.2

Differential:

Acceleration lock: 25-30%
Deceleration lock: 0%
Preload: 0%

With these settings you should be able to use the throttle much more aggressively and also notice increased turn-in off-throttle. Keep in mind that it's really easy to overdrive the L49, you have to brake much sooner with it than you may think. Around apexes you have to use the throttle to point the car toward the corner exit. Without doing this you'll be much slower through corners, since the front tires barely have any grip, no matter what you do. This is the reason why making this car too stable can totally kill its performance. You must learn how to use the throttle to turn.

I feel the settings I posted already hinder the car too much, but they are a good starting point if you want to learn how to drive it. As you get comfortable with it start increasing the tire pressures and accel lock slowly and drop the toe-in at the rear.

PJ Dunham
13-06-2015, 02:45
Is it worse than the '67 Ford MkIV?

Oh dear that thing is a PIG, having played GPL over 5000hrs the 67 Lotus 49 is cool that takes Practice but the MkIV I never plan to drive again

gpk99
13-06-2015, 03:10
Lotus 49....coddle that throttle...it's just like the real car was...this might be the most realistic car in the whole game...driven by a master Jim Clark-the finest racecar driver to ever live.
Brings back sweet memories of another great race Sim--Gran Prix Legends-- half you guys would go STEAM-refund crazy if you got a taste of how every car in that game was so tough to drive...lol

Bouyo
13-06-2015, 04:51
BAC Mono for me. It's just too easy (handles too well) and it becomes boring!

Love the twitchy cars like the Caterham R500, F1 GTR and RUF SMS. Gives me a sense of achievement winning with those guys.

SH71
13-06-2015, 05:33
I absolutely hated the Ford MK IV the first time I ran a lap with it but with a little tweaking on the setup and alot of patience I love driving that thing now. Challenging, yes, but fun. The Lotus 49 has to be my favorite. The road cars, if I had to choose would be my least favorite- though I wouldn't call any car in here "worst".

yusupov
13-06-2015, 05:35
maybe youre not using the realistic tires for the mono...its actually not nearly as easy as i'd imagined it should/would be. if you use the slick set of tires its a very easy car, but otherwise its one of the more frustrating ones to drive you are really trying to nail down a lap. it requires a lot of management & theres just way more wheelspin that i wouldve thought. this is default setup ofc.

the mono & the 49 are the only ones to frustrate me; the mono i like but the 49 seemed to understeer a ton & i havent tried it since, it seems to be on my end bc i dont hear that complain elsewhere.

i havent tried the gt40 as much as id like to, partly bc i always see people here complaining about it! i know its very slippery, but its also a lot of hp spinning crappy 50 y/o tires. to win le mans in the 60s, you could be a pig as long as you were really fast going straight.

with the 49, i can drive it or at least a like car in 3 other sims, & i just dont have the problems i did w/ the pcars 49. could just be setup, might not, but i couldnt drive it. so that leads me to think something is off with the sim car; i fully recognize the l49 should be one of the most difficult cars to drive fast, but thats not what im talking about, i mean that something seemed off with the virtual car.

thats an important distinction b/w 'bad car' & 'bad sim car' that hasnt really been brought up...for example, bouyo thinks the bac mono is boring, but hes not saying its not supposed to be that way. another poster said all the road cars are bad, as in, not good simulations of road cars. speaking of which....am i the only one who really likes the road cars??

edit -- just went and tried the lotus 49 again, made sure to put on the 67 tires & it drove exactly like id expect it to, no understeer issue at all. dunno if the default setup changed or i just experienced some kind of weird relativity thing.

blacknred81
13-06-2015, 06:44
The Lotus 49, hated that car in ToCA Race Driver 3 , yet I still somehow won my first online race in PCARS with the 49 at Monaco.....

As far as the most hated car for me? Its any Road Cars and Superkarts

BCFCBristolRed
13-06-2015, 06:55
Shifter karts for me. Just can't get on with them, the super karts are fun though. The Lotus and Ford just need time spent with them. I absolutely love the BMW M3 GT, especially around Imola.

stux
13-06-2015, 07:21
Haven't found any 'bad' cars yet, they're just different :)

Very long way from driving them all at the moment tho

icebear
13-06-2015, 07:22
from my pov, the best cars are not the quickest but the funniest to drive. Wich means in my mind the worst are the more flat or those impossible to control... It is all a question of balance

the lotus or the catheram seemed very difficult at first but when tamed and used on a good F1 track (change so much the feeling), they are FUN
the GT40 goes a bit too far, the guys who really master it are ET or have setups i just cant imagine

on the other hand, the ford escort rs 1600 or the clio never enjoyed me, whatever track i choose, but not for the same reasons. Clio is just flat when the escort is so umpredictable and is so bad reacting it is not fun at all

Most road cars seems boring to me but selecting track tires changes a lot the fun. I dont drive them a lot but i think it is cool to be able to compare their driving from time to time with more reactive cars.
What is strange is i had the chance to test almost every amg cars recently sold and i absolutly dont have the same feeling irl. An slr 755 is a beast like the BMW 320 Turbo Gr.5 and an SLS is as sharp as a formula C for me. Even a C63 is ultra fun, like a modern muscle car, far more than in game. But i am not a really good driver so i guess i am easely impressed !

John Hargreaves
13-06-2015, 07:56
The only one that felt a little 'off' for me was the Lotus 72D, there was just something about it that felt odd, but it's been away to Doug's racecar finishing school in Switzerland where troubled and confused cars go for training and discipline and has come back transformed into a beautiful thoroughbred. It's got some of the wildness of the 49, but with a bit of downforce it's a bit more forgiving. For me it was on the bottom of the list but now it's right up there with the rest.

I think with the 'problem' cars in this thread, the more time you spend together, the more you'll come to understand them and eventually enjoy their different characters. The Ariels, L49 and Ford Mk4 can be fantastic, but they need to be understood, like naughty children.

unknwn
13-06-2015, 08:38
Ford MK IV and Lotus 49 have to be throttle steered otherwise they won't turn at all. Very interesting experience but could be really frustrating not knowing that.

Cleps
13-06-2015, 08:38
I'd say the Shifter kart as I can't drive them properly. But I can say they improved a lot during the development so it may be me that doesn't like karts in game.

About the GT40, I think it rocks! One day I took it to make a time trial on California Highway, one of my best memory. I made a LOT of trials, at first it was to get to know the car's behavior then it was to "master" every corner (especially the sneaky ones). When I finally made it in 8:15 between the white lines, I was quite proud. My advice is to use the throttle for the steering^^ As soon as you hit the throttle with some grip, you get understeer. Without grip you can get oversteer. And lifting off throttle, you can get oversteer too.

EDIT : ninja'd by "unkown" lol

SeeNoWeevil
13-06-2015, 08:49
The initial karts you play in the championship made me want to chew my own hands off in frustration until I gave 4-5 clicks of rear ARB. Tracks with incredibly tight, slow corners and huuuuge amounts of understeer made for a pretty joyless opener to the game.

Now I've never driven a Caterham, but if they handle like the pCars ones then I'd be asking for my money back. The Audi R8 also felt incredibly snappy initially, would transition from slip to grip instantly and spit me off the road. Fixed with a different tyre choice.

Note: I freaking love the game.

mister dog
13-06-2015, 09:40
Here's an onboard of the '49:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opzzn9sl1kU

It looks a bit unstable under braking, but accelerating out of corners doesn't seem troublesome at all.

Im Sorry
13-06-2015, 10:04
Here's an onboard of the '49:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opzzn9sl1kU

It looks a bit unstable under braking, but accelerating out of corners doesn't seem troublesome at all.

Holy sh*t! Imagine racing this beast :cool:

Ian Bell
13-06-2015, 10:14
Here's an onboard of the '49:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opzzn9sl1kU

It looks a bit unstable under braking, but accelerating out of corners doesn't seem troublesome at all.

Guys, remember these things are museum pieces worth a fortune. No one taking them out today is pushing them like they were in the thick of it in 1967.

dodge33cymru
13-06-2015, 10:14
Depends in your definition if 'worst'. I haven't touched most road cars because I won't enjoy them at all.

If you mean in terms of feeling, there's no obvious standout to me, but I have never managed an enjoyable race in the lower powered prototypes, but I suspect it's my control settings I need to dial in better.

Amuses me to see people say the historic cars are poor handling or difficult to drive fast - I haven't felt that, but fear that's a result of games like Gran Turismo massively overestimating their capabilities in order to allow them to race alongside modern equipment. A Mazda 787 wasn't the quickest car of its day, but in some circles it seems to have passed into folklore as one of the best of all time.

No real complaints about any one particular car though. I'm really struggling with GT4s over a full stint, but that's a story for the 'worst driver' thread!

mister dog
13-06-2015, 10:25
Guys, remember these things are museum pieces worth a fortune. No one taking them out today is pushing them like they were in the thick of it in 1967.
That's true though. Just for the sake of argument I'll take it out for a test drive this evening and drive modestly (no pushing), see how it compares to the video :)

AfterAll14
13-06-2015, 11:51
McLaren P1 -worst car for me by miles. 900bhp and no brakes, no grip, no suspension. Unpredictable handling in every corner. I hate this car.:mad:

gpk99
13-06-2015, 12:00
plus it was a green track at COTA...IAN...will we see this track for PCars?..it's fabulous.....hint hint...nudge nudge?....,,,lol

Pirategenius
13-06-2015, 12:03
Has to be the Merc 300SEL. It turns the QE2, has the acceleration of a dead dog, stops slower than a super tanker all because it weighs as much as a small planet

Ian Bell
13-06-2015, 12:07
plus it was a green track at COTA...IAN...will we see this track for PCars?..it's fabulous.....hint hint...nudge nudge?....,,,lol

If they want to pass us a free license we'll certainly consider it :)

Adamo
13-06-2015, 12:21
Try these changes:

Tire Pressure: 0.95 bar front / 0.9 bar rear
Brake Pressure: 75%, at the default 90% I've found it damn hard to avoid locking my tires without ABS. Moving the brake bias more towards the rear could also work, seeing how wide rear tires the L49 has, but I didn't have time to experiment with that.
Rear Toe-in: 0.2

Differential:

Acceleration lock: 25-30%
Deceleration lock: 0%
Preload: 0%

With these settings you should be able to use the throttle much more aggressively and also notice increased turn-in off-throttle. Keep in mind that it's really easy to overdrive the L49, you have to brake much sooner with it than you may think. Around apexes you have to use the throttle to point the car toward the corner exit. Without doing this you'll be much slower through corners, since the front tires barely have any grip, no matter what you do. This is the reason why making this car too stable can totally kill its performance. You must learn how to use the throttle to turn.

I feel the settings I posted already hinder the car too much, but they are a good starting point if you want to learn how to drive it. As you get comfortable with it start increasing the tire pressures and accel lock slowly and drop the toe-in at the rear.

Thank you! :) I tried it immediately; just one question: which tyres ? Are the 1972/1974 Formula slick good ?

jgaganas
13-06-2015, 12:30
Today i just drive what i think is the worst car to drive of the game: the Lotus 49 in the Vintage Lotus '67 Championship.

It has no grip at all, a lot of understeer on slow corners and it spin the wheels every time i go near the throttle.

And you guys: what's your worst car to drive in Project Cars ?

Really? :)

My thoughts on the Lotus 49:
http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?24640-Anybody-drive-the-Lotus-49&p=968966&viewfull=1#post968966

mire2
13-06-2015, 12:37
McLaren P1 -worst car for me by miles. 900bhp and no brakes, no grip, no suspension. Unpredictable handling in every corner. I hate this car.:mad:
Ok here i can see all people got another handling feelingmof the cars in Pcars......for me the Mclarenmp1 is one of the best handled cars.....i also can drive absolutely good with the lykan, where other people say it is impossible......
but for me the hardest car is the ford MK IV.....

FuzzyFassbender
13-06-2015, 14:35
Whilst I agree that the Lotus 49 is a bit of a beast, I think your title should be "Hardest car..." not "Worst car...".

All the cars are great in their own way. Just some will bite you first before you finally tame them ;)
I would agree.. the Lotus 49 is very difficult to drive without any aids but to me that doesn't make it a bad car. I turn on some ABS and TC to drive the Lotus and have a blast.

David Semperger
13-06-2015, 16:21
Thank you! :) I tried it immediately; just one question: which tyres ? Are the 1972/1974 Formula slick good ?

I haven't touched the tires, so you can leave them at default for those changes. With modern tires the L49 should be much easier to drive even without other changes, but it also becomes much less lively and fun in my opinion.

mister dog
14-06-2015, 23:21
Well i went for a test drive with the Lotus '49, keeping the onboard footage of the video I posted on the last page in mind.

I just took it very easy going in corners, and tried pushing the throttle down gradually like one would do if he was able to drive a priceless museum piece like this. Settings on default.

From the video i noticed the driver struggling a bit with the wheel under braking, but being able to accelerate out of corners with the car being stable and not twitchy. In PCARS it's a bit the opposite; no drama under braking apart from lockups under heavier braking, but you only need slight throttle input to unsettle the car and it wants to go sideways each time. Also in a fast easy corner like the gradual left hander on the straight next to the Mercedes stand at Hockenheim, the back wanted to break away whilst throttle input is very gradual at that part and steering is too seeing it's such a smooth corner.

AdM1
15-06-2015, 00:35
Megane was rubbish when I tried it.

Vitamin R
15-06-2015, 12:58
The Mark IV is my least successful. Need to spend more time with it I suppose.

NemethR
15-06-2015, 13:50
For me its clearly the McLaren F1 (Road car)...
Its undriveable, cool it can go straight, but has no brakes at all.
I keep wondering, was the car really so bad with brakes in realy life?!

yusupov
15-06-2015, 13:57
ive never noticed breaking issues with it...remember that its from 20 years ago now too. its insanely fast so you may be breaking at higher speeds than you realize.

remember this car could go 241 when only a couple cars around did 200, it makes sense that it can only go straight with any confidence.

Neil Hopwood
15-06-2015, 13:57
For me its clearly the McLaren F1 (Road car)...
Its undriveable, cool it can go straight, but has no brakes at all.
I keep wondering, was the car really so bad with brakes in realy life?!

I found my biggest issue with the F1 is that you get to the corner at a WAY higher speed than you think you do. It accelerates so damn fast. You also have to remember it's a 20+ year old road car.

SpaceMachine
15-06-2015, 14:05
Once you learn that you need to drive the MK IV slower round corners because of tyres, it's a joy to drive.

A joy? Really? Sounds rather masochistic to me :)

NemethR
15-06-2015, 14:14
I found my biggest issue with the F1 is that you get to the corner at a WAY higher speed than you think you do. It accelerates so damn fast. You also have to remember it's a 20+ year old road car.

You are probably right, but its still hard for me to drive it, so I just avoid doing it :)

Jezza819
15-06-2015, 15:17
For me its clearly the McLaren F1 (Road car)...
Its undriveable, cool it can go straight, but has no brakes at all.
I keep wondering, was the car really so bad with brakes in realy life?!

Yep. I blasted right through the end of Hangar Straight my first time out with it then understood it's braking distances and I do ok with it now.


Is it worse than the '67 Ford MkIV?

I still haven't driven everything yet but of what I have, this is the worst of all of them by far. It feels like it has 4 wheel steering but each wheel is pointing an entirely different direction. I think it took me nearly 4 minutes to get around Catalunya GP and I've never driven it since. Honorable mention goes to the McLaren P1 and the Lotus 72 although I think the Lotus is supposed to be fixed in this next patch.

ThePla7Maker
15-06-2015, 16:26
[QUOTE=OperatorWay;986764]Is it worse than the '67 Ford MkIV?[/

this is the worst car I have used. its like bambi on ice.

feloney_x
15-06-2015, 16:48
i had the same issue with this lotus and found the cure for the wheel spin and violent jerk at gear change a simple adjustment to the waste gate fixes this by default its set so high when the turbo kicks in it causes that to happen so lower the waste gate till it becomes controllable for you problem solved :)

i also play with a ps3 controller and found it undrivable till i figured out it was the turbo boost causing that to happen

edit:lol my bad i was thinking of the lotus renault

for the one your talking about run 74 slicks,thats about all i changed on that car

Rht54
15-06-2015, 18:52
Mclaren F1 , a total pig to drive

yusupov
15-06-2015, 18:55
man you guys are why mainstream sims suck...

k.merse
15-06-2015, 19:21
Explain, please :)

yusupov
15-06-2015, 19:41
just the apparent general desire for all cars to be gt3s, just jump in and mash it...probably makes devs wary of putting in interesting classic cars like the mclaren f1 or cobra 427 that just arent truly suited for modern track use but a joy to drive despite that. or if they do put them in, they dumb them down.

i cant say for sure bc i havent played gt or forza, but based on this thread its easy to understand why they have relatively cheap physics.

speaking of gt3 for example the new continental is a complete btch, i think ian said they gave it a bad default setup. but that doesnt get mentioned bc ppl dont want to bother with learning cars that dont they cant just mash throttle and point it where they want to get around.

mister dog
15-06-2015, 19:56
Mclaren F1 seems fine to me, if i'm not mistaken its brakes are its weak point in real life also just like it is in game.

David Semperger
15-06-2015, 19:59
probably makes devs wary of putting in interesting classic cars like the mclaren f1 or cobra 427 that just arent truly suited for modern track use but a joy to drive despite that. or if they do put them in, they dumb them down.

That won't happen. This is exactly the reason why we have assists (and why they are used even in real cars). Enabling all of them makes most cars driveable even with a keyboard. If people still have problems with them even like that then they really need to practice, because then the problem definitely isn't with the cars.

Tompo
15-06-2015, 21:12
All Road B cars (not talking about ariel cars because i have driven them once a while ago and i can't remember what they drive like).

The steering wheel does nothing at all, the cars just go straight when i say left or right.

MikeyTT
15-06-2015, 22:28
The steering wheel does nothing at all, the cars just go straight when i say left or right.

That's where you're going wrong. The steering isn't voice activated in pCars. Maybe pCars2, but you'll have to request that feature. Try a wheel or pad and they'll be much better ;-)

On a serious note, the road cars have a much higher steering ratio, so you need a lot more lock to get them turning. Plus they tend not to be as responsive as their racing bretheren, and are generally on road tyres, so you need to think about your line a little more, and the speed your taking into a turn.

Tompo
16-06-2015, 09:26
I have a wheel and with full lock it doesn't turn, i'm not pressing the gas or brake bedal.

So I have to go through a corner with 60 km/h where other cars can go 120 km/h.
That still makes them very bad.

Baron_Greenback
16-06-2015, 09:42
I couldn't really call a 'worst car'. They all have their place and purpose. I think this is a case of what you get used to. If you hadn't used any other cars, and just accepted the characteristics of the car you're trying to get to grips with, you'd be a little more forgiving toward it. Although I have to admit I've driven no more than five so far. I like to perfect a car (and even bore myself of it) before moving on.

konnos
16-06-2015, 10:16
I think the simulation part of the cars seems amazing and by bad car I will point out the one that I have problems driving well/easily. I haven't tried all the cars yet, and not even been into the Lotus 49 and the Ford one, but the one that has given me trouble and unexpected behaviour was the RUFs, believe it not. I thought the GT3 would be beast, and it is when i hit the throttle, but when the time to turn comes, I need to change my driving style cause going in with speed gave me some bad time. I read a bit about the different style required and after i hit the brakes before the turn, went in slow and floored it after the apex, yes it felt good, but it feels weird to have to restrain myself so much with Porsche, I thought i would be throwing it around the corners like no tomorrow, hehe. Other than that and because i am inexperienced with sims (only played a bit of GT-R), road cars give me a hard time cause they don't go where you point the nose of the car, they feel sluggish while cornering, especially once you get a little used to the Radical SR8 and the Formula1.

lancashirelad
16-06-2015, 10:21
Today i just drive what i think is the worst car to drive of the game: the Lotus 49 in the Vintage Lotus '67 Championship.

It has no grip at all, a lot of understeer on slow corners and it spin the wheels every time i go near the throttle.

And you guys: what's your worst car to drive in Project Cars ?

You can change the tyres in setup, not as realistic but the slicks give you more grip. :)

Felice Pugliese
16-06-2015, 10:49
guys i have a question on lotus98 T about the turbo, I do not know if it was already asked and I will not start a new topic just for that. the turbo can be modified in the race? lift or lower ... thanks.

F2kSel
16-06-2015, 15:13
I've only tried a few but so far the one I can't get any feel for is the Aston v12 GT3.

The FFB is so heavy and stiff compared to other cars it feels more like a truck.
With default set up the car just won't turn and if I make changes it isn't too bad in fast corners but in the slow ones the back end just comes around and the car almost stops.

Disposable_Hero
16-06-2015, 15:52
guys i have a question on lotus98 T about the turbo, I do not know if it was already asked and I will not start a new topic just for that. the turbo can be modified in the race? lift or lower ... thanks.
Not while driving - you can set waste-gate pressure in setup though.

Cuba
16-06-2015, 16:02
The car ahead of me while racing, regardless of make/model :cool:

kyleen
16-06-2015, 18:45
The lotus 49
http://wigunpics.science/21/g.png

yusupov
16-06-2015, 19:30
That's where you're going wrong. The steering isn't voice activated in pCars. Maybe pCars2, but you'll have to request that feature. Try a wheel or pad and they'll be much better ;-)

On a serious note, the road cars have a much higher steering ratio, so you need a lot more lock to get them turning. Plus they tend not to be as responsive as their racing bretheren, and are generally on road tyres, so you need to think about your line a little more, and the speed your taking into a turn.

exactly, you dont have breaks or (especially) tires like gt3 cars, but youve got all the speed & more. its common to drive way too hard into corners & then complain about understeer when most of the time the problem is that youre just not driving the car well.

50footELVIS
16-06-2015, 19:44
You could get a sense Alexander had a few (Oh Sheet!!! Plus, either this thing will kill me or the owner will if I crash it) moments in the vid.
Now, these guys looked like they were pushing.


https://youtu.be/V6cm3eWEHM0


Perhaps you should re-title as "Most difficult" Handling or "Can we improve it?"
Your worst car might be one someone can dance around the track and still be fast.

Perhaps some should refrain from driving "like a video game" and apply real world driving principles.
If you think the car's gonna kill you or it's gonna cost you a lifetime's worth of lunch money,
lift a little and give up the F1 late braking in an old formula car.

Kitt
17-06-2015, 09:11
The mustang 302R1,horrible hatefull car to drive,just feels broken.If there was an in game scrap yard I'd drive it straight there and crush the picece of s**t.
On the flip side,had a quick drive of the mercades SLS gt3,and that feels brilliant.The way it moves around over bumps,the grip,the way it feels heavy and planted,just feels right.fav car so far.

Azure Flare
17-06-2015, 11:29
W Motors Lykan Hypersport

I will probably never know how the car is compared to a real one, but driving it in the game makes me hate it even more.

Jonyvf
17-06-2015, 11:58
Maclaren F1 Hard to drive

mire2
17-06-2015, 12:19
W Motors Lykan Hypersport

I will probably never know how the car is compared to a real one, but driving it in the game makes me hate it even more.

Use for the lykan the faretti extrem summer tires.....it drives so nice and smooth for me with it, love this car......

the Mclaren F1 road car is for me also very hard, but just to get corners because the breaks of the F1 road car a absolutely terrible....breaking needs so long with the F1.....but the F1 handles very very great, just the breaking brings problems for me....

Jonyvf
17-06-2015, 13:47
Use for the lykan the faretti extrem summer tires.....it drives so nice and smooth for me with it, love this car......

the Mclaren F1 road car is for me also very hard, but just to get corners because the breaks of the F1 road car a absolutely terrible....breaking needs so long with the F1.....but the F1 handles very very great, just the breaking brings problems for me....
The maclaren f1 itīs a fast car but the breaks...jesus.The acelaration is very good but if you kick hard so much oversteer.

Azure Flare
17-06-2015, 20:14
Use for the lykan the faretti extrem summer tires.....it drives so nice and smooth for me with it, love this car......

I've tried all of the tires for it, it still sucks. It goes like hell on the straights, but it doesn't brake and it doesn't turn for anything.

xautos
17-06-2015, 20:35
i drove the m3 bmw yesterday around road atlanta on pcars, i had no confidence in the car at all, i had absolutely no idea what the car was going to do, it was all nervous and twitchy, no idea if the car would hold its braking point or if it would spin from under me at high speed... no idea. although finished second of 32 competitors, half of which decided to leave for obvious reasons in online racing. i thought that was bad..

.. then i ran across the audi r8 v10 plus for an invitation race around zolder, the car was a nightmare for about 15 laps, mostly brakes and excessive understeer related. then the next invitational race at oulton came, same car and around that track.. oh man, spent about 50 laps trying to get an idea of what the car was doing, i was making the laps but i felt nothing from the car and i usually have the sensation of whats wrong. by the time i figured it out, reduced the understeer all the way, as much as i could, i finally got some feedback from it.

lrapsody
22-06-2015, 19:31
Ha yeah Ford mark IV is a bloody slidy handful! It's like trying to ski on ice cream sometimes.

I've found cadence braking definitely helps.

Diablo944
22-06-2015, 19:56
Mark iv is abysmal to drive. I always loved the gt40 and was looking orward to it, but no matter how much i try to tweak it i still end up sliding off the road everywhere, the brakes feel worse than a mark one escort and it generally drives like the tyres have been coated in teflon. Even trying to drive it slowly (something i am sure a gt40 wasnt designed to do) still ends up as an unhappy experience.

mire2
22-06-2015, 19:59
I've tried all of the tires for it, it still sucks. It goes like hell on the straights, but it doesn't brake and it doesn't turn for anything.

Ok at this point you have to break earlier, all road cars must break earlier.......so when i watch out for this, the lykan drives very very smooth for me.......sometimes i got little problems at some corners, but very few......i think it's for everyone's handling of the cars a different feeling, some love the lykan and can drive it very nice and some will never handle this car......same for me at other cars^^

GRD 4 3L
22-06-2015, 20:04
Today i just drive what i think is the worst car to drive of the game: the Lotus 49 in the Vintage Lotus '67 Championship.

It has no grip at all, a lot of understeer on slow corners and it spin the wheels every time i go near the throttle.

And you guys: what's your worst car to drive in Project Cars ?

If PCARS had only 1 car, I want it to be Lotus 49 with '67 tires.

No grip tires? Check
No downforce? Check
Gasoline filled casket pre-installed in car? Check
Slows down like a Hummer with drum brakes? Check
Fast enough to scare the bejesus from returning to save the world? Check

As a friend of mine described it, 'it's a car that wants to kill you.' I agree with that statement. Mario Andretti also agrees.

Been spending weeks tweaking the car so it would grip decently at Watkins Glen. The changes that worked for me and my Lotus Blossom are:

1. Lower tire pressures
2. Softer suspension (can't give details as I don't have the settings committed to memory)
3. Front toe-out (-ve toe-in)
4. GENEROUSLY slow differential lock; otherwise it becomes very frustrating to modulate the throttle.

The '68+ tires do grip better but little too well, IMO. It isn't Lotus 49 unless it's got '67 tires to go with it.

If old/historic Spa track is released, I'll be spending much time on that track . . . GPL memories . . .