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MLT24
17-06-2015, 05:14
I have my game set for no assist at all. So when I go online it appears 99.9% of the rooms have all assist on. So sometimes I go into one of those rooms just to get a quick race in.

My question is since I have my personal settings to no assist, does this mean when I enter a room that has all assist turned on, I still don't get any assist? Because it still feels like the same no assist racing to me and I get run over in the corners and they don't seem to have any problem turning the curves way faster than me. When I make my own room with no assist, I do not have this problem at all.

So if this is true, why did SMS make the game this way? Sure I like to race all the time with no assist off in an even room, but why should I be handicapped when entering a room with all assist on? Just weird, never seen a game do it that way.

CustomInternals
17-06-2015, 05:42
I think it lets you use any assist you want unless it specifically states that the assist isn't allowed. If you don't use any assists but they are allowed, others might be running them. Don't really understand the issue here. If you normally play with no assists then why do you care if they are allowed and people are using them as long as you don't have to? I have been in a number of lobbies where assists aren't allowed and since I run ABS I either raced at a slower pace to acclimate myself or just found another lobby. I also don't understand your "handicap". If you're use to using no assists then you should race normal.

MLT24
17-06-2015, 06:33
Just asking a question. If assist are turned on in online lobby and I have assist set to none in my personal settings, do I have assist on in those rooms? It makes a difference in how players attack the turns
I just want to be on even playing field slower or faster. And like I said most lobbies hv assist on and no filter system on ps4 to seperate rooms. Sometimes I just want a quick race. I do make my on rooms with assist off and it takes a good long time to get others to join with assist off. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I just simply desire an answer to a simple question
Tx

madmax2069
17-06-2015, 06:59
If you have assistance off it will reamain off when you enter a room that allows them, that setting just allows you to use them or not, ot doesn't force them on.

MABlosfeld
17-06-2015, 14:28
Traction control, stability, guidelines, brakes are OFF only the ABS system is ON.
Use G27 wheel, the helmet vision, TrackIR, COCKPIT. (I like immersion in the simulation)
- if I participate in a race where the controls are all ON, can not be competitive, it is difficult to keep pace opponents
It seems that the tires are of ice and soap track.
- if I participate in a race where the controls are all turned OFF, can keep pace with race
I've tried to create 100% SIMULATOR room but people come and go, I think people prefer to play with the ON AID. It's difficult to find a class you enjoy the pure simulation, I do not mind getting last but to be competitive.

I have played pcars for 100 hrs, my favorite car is the BMW Z4 and learned to drive it without using help.
Participate in a room with all ON is normal the problem is drive the car as completely changes the way you drive it.

I use the selection to filter PROFESSIONAL rooms
when I enter the room helps are all on.

OnyxD
17-06-2015, 15:23
So a bit of a related question. If I set assists to 'Real' (which gives ABS and TC in GT3 cars) then enter a multiplayer lobby set to assists OFF, will I lose those 'real' assists?

RomKnight
17-06-2015, 15:43
server overrides whatever you set on your side.

MABlosfeld
17-06-2015, 16:22
Logically it should work as follows: Is there the room settings but not sure.

his assists = ON
room settings = ON
his assists = ON

his assists = ON
room settings = OFF
his assists = OFF

his assists = OFF
room settings = OFF
his assists = OFF

his assists = OFF
room settings = ON
his assists = ON (here I have the feeling of running with all OFF and the opponents with all ON)

CustomInternals
18-06-2015, 04:36
Logically it should work as follows: Is there the room settings but not sure.

his assists = ON
room settings = ON
his assists = ON

his assists = ON
room settings = OFF
his assists = OFF

his assists = OFF
room settings = OFF
his assists = OFF

his assists = OFF
room settings = ON
his assists = ON (here I have the feeling of running with all OFF and the opponents with all ON)

That last one is wrong. Room settings are saying if they are allowed or not. They are not forced unless forced off. Basically it's asking if you want certain assists to be allowed or not. Not forcing what they are going to run.

Basically if you run all assists they will be on if the server allows it but they will be off if the server doesn't allow assists. If you normally run with every assist off, they will always be off no matter what. If they are allowed you will still run as you have set it up to not have them but others will be allowed to run them if they have it set up to run them.

Look at it as allowed vs. not allowed. Hope this helps.

TrevorAustin
18-06-2015, 06:59
The bmw z4 has assists in real life afaik, so why aren't you usinfg them anyway. I understood that most people turned them off as they were faster without.

Charger
18-06-2015, 07:26
I don't see the point of turning assists off when I create a room, leave them on and let the individual turn off what they want, I like ABS and stability but don't use traction but I leave them all allowed for people that want them or not.

MABlosfeld
18-06-2015, 13:32
That last one is wrong. Room settings are saying if they are allowed or not. They are not forced unless forced off. Basically it's asking if you want certain assists to be allowed or not. Not forcing what they are going to run.

Basically if you run all assists they will be on if the server allows it but they will be off if the server doesn't allow assists. If you normally run with every assist off, they will always be off no matter what. If they are allowed you will still run as you have set it up to not have them but others will be allowed to run them if they have it set up to run them.

Look at it as allowed vs. not allowed. Hope this helps.

I think I understand:

my assists = OFF
room settings = ON
my assists = OFF or ON

I do not use assists and opponents use, no chance to be competitive.

Don Ente
18-06-2015, 13:48
- if I participate in a race where the controls are all ON, can not be competitive, it is difficult to keep pace opponents

- if I participate in a race where the controls are all turned OFF, can keep pace with race

I do not use assists and opponents use, no chance to be competitive.
Instead of trying to evaluate "keep pace with opponents," you need to see if you're keeping pace with yourself. To do so, you need to compare lap times.

What you *might* find happening is (and I'm just using demonstrative numbers here):


In an "assists allowed" race, you're running 1:48 lap times, and your opponents are running 1:45 lap times.
In your "no-assists" race, you're still running your 1:48 lap times, but now your opponents (who are not accustomed to no-assists) are only running 1:50 lap times.

- Don

Kobus Maree
18-06-2015, 13:59
server overrides whatever you set on your side.

Is this a final setting, or due for a change during a patch? Most people that drive with assists off, want to keep it that way...

MABlosfeld
18-06-2015, 14:17
Instead of trying to evaluate "keep pace with opponents," you need to see if you're keeping pace with yourself. To do so, you need to compare lap times.

What you *might* find happening is (and I'm just using demonstrative numbers here):


In an "assists allowed" race, you're running 1:48 lap times, and your opponents are running 1:45 lap times.
In your "no-assists" race, you're still running your 1:48 lap times, but now your opponents (who are not accustomed to no-assists) are only running 1:50 lap times.

- Don

when opponents have assists ON can not keep my pace
1:50 vs 1:45
when opponents have assists OFF keep my pace
1:48 vs 1:46

I learned to take it all off when I run everything on is a disaster
for this reason I try rooms with off assists

but still I can not understand why the track seems made soap and wooden or ice tires.

MABlosfeld
18-06-2015, 14:27
The bmw z4 has assists in real life afaik, so why aren't you usinfg them anyway. I understood that most people turned them off as they were faster without.

I use only ABS, traction control and stability I never found it necessary but I'm reviewing my opinion.

Don Ente
18-06-2015, 14:37
when opponents have assists ON can not keep my pace
1:50 vs 1:45
when opponents have assists OFF keep my pace
1:48 vs 1:46

I learned to take it all off when I run everything on is a disaster
for this reason I try rooms with off assists

but still I can not understand why the track seems made soap and wooden or ice tires.
This is why I asked about lap times. If you are running about the same lap time whether assists are allowed or not, then it's the speed of your opponents --- and *maybe* your driving is (sub-consciously) affected by your expectations.

A second or two difference is not a soap track and wooden tires... so *maybe* you are pushing a little too hard because you *feel* you are at a disadvantage?

Please understand, I am not making accusations.... just trying to look at possibilities.

I could take a cynical look at it and say "In the Assists-Allowed races, the players are less skilled and therefor more likely to cut corners more aggressively..." (not that I really think that to be the case).

- Don

MABlosfeld
18-06-2015, 21:48
This is why I asked about lap times. If you are running about the same lap time whether assists are allowed or not, then it's the speed of your opponents --- and *maybe* your driving is (sub-consciously) affected by your expectations.

A second or two difference is not a soap track and wooden tires... so *maybe* you are pushing a little too hard because you *feel* you are at a disadvantage?

Please understand, I am not making accusations.... just trying to look at possibilities.

I could take a cynical look at it and say "In the Assists-Allowed races, the players are less skilled and therefor more likely to cut corners more aggressively..." (not that I really think that to be the case).

- Don

thank you for your attention and for the information
I have also got to think that the problem is me
I get nervous and end up driving wrong but other times
I think there is a secret portal that some people
could find .... hehehehe

MLT24
19-06-2015, 03:30
This is OP. I went and turned on my assist under basic game settings, and then I headed for online. And OMG what a difference. Pure arcade racing. Just as I expected, in and out of the corners much faster than with assist off. Now I know for sure why online races with assist on drivers allways raming me in the back when I run with assist off. There is no way for them to know some may be driving with assist off and need to actually slow down going into corner. And SMS allows this problem to happen because the online room setups for now are Very lacking. Filters don't work. I pick Pro and all the rooms are still assist on. In all my years of racing sim games I have never seen so many using assist. Out of about 100 rooms I have looked to join 98 of them had all assist on. And after using assist for the first time, what a joke. WE NEED FILTER FOR NO ASSIST LOBBIES! Badly.

Charger
19-06-2015, 08:33
This is OP. I went and turned on my assist under basic game settings, and then I headed for online. And OMG what a difference. Pure arcade racing. Just as I expected, in and out of the corners much faster than with assist off. Now I know for sure why online races with assist on drivers allways raming me in the back when I run with assist off. There is no way for them to know some may be driving with assist off and need to actually slow down going into corner. And SMS allows this problem to happen because the online room setups for now are Very lacking. Filters don't work. I pick Pro and all the rooms are still assist on. In all my years of racing sim games I have never seen so many using assist. Out of about 100 rooms I have looked to join 98 of them had all assist on. And after using assist for the first time, what a joke. WE NEED FILTER FOR NO ASSIST LOBBIES! Badly.

If you are faster then isn't that the point or did I just eat my slippers and I'm tripping off them???? Some cars actually come with assists in real life you know, you'll be wanting PAS of next and no rear mirror FFS.

Oh and btw there is a filter for no assist rooms, it's called create your own!

MABlosfeld
19-06-2015, 14:43
If you are faster then isn't that the point or did I just eat my slippers and I'm tripping off them???? Some cars actually come with assists in real life you know, you'll be wanting PAS of next and no rear mirror FFS.

Oh and btw there is a filter for no assist rooms, it's called create your own!

has created various times people come in, give definitions, some ask to put assists others simply leave the room. 90% of the players prefer to play with assists, that's a fact.

MLT24
19-06-2015, 16:10
If you are faster then isn't that the point or did I just eat my slippers and I'm tripping off them???? Some cars actually come with assists in real life you know, you'll be wanting PAS of next and no rear mirror FFS.

Oh and btw there is a filter for no assist rooms, it's called create your own!

Funny how people who like to use assist come into threads like this one and get upset over those of us who don't want to use assist. And if you had read my posts, you would have seen I do make my own rooms with no assist but it is hard to get players together who don't want to use them. Thus the need for better lobby filters. Dude, don't get so upset there are those of us who are purist and don't want to run any assist at all. You got your training wheel rooms, plenty of them. Use them and leave us alone or join us for some real sim racing.

TrevorAustin
19-06-2015, 17:23
Funny how people who like to use assist come into threads like this one and get upset over those of us who don't want to use assist. And if you had read my posts, you would have seen I do make my own rooms with no assist but it is hard to get players together who don't want to use them. Thus the need for better lobby filters. Dude, don't get so upset there are those of us who are purist and don't want to run any assist at all. You got your training wheel rooms, plenty of them. Use them and leave us alone or join us for some real sim racing.

He doesn't sound the slightest bit upset it's yiu who are:)

And fine if you don't want to use assists, but then you need to improve your driving before playing online.

A good driver without abs should almoat invariably outbrake a driver using it, so people are probably hitting you because you're braking way too early.

Maybe follow some of rhe faster ghosts around and reassess your braking points.

Charger
19-06-2015, 17:41
Yeah I wasn't upset just making the point that people turn them off and some people can't drive for shit it ends up a crashfest, I leave them on for that reason, I don't use traction but I do use ABS and stability for the moment as I get more confident I will turn them off for myself but still leave them on for who wants them, complaining you are slower because other people use assists is crazy, if you where fast enough with them off then having them on wouldn't matter would it? So maybe you need to put your training wheels back on, learn the tracks and cars and then turn them off when you are ready because if you are slower you are not ready.

I enjoy racing not crashing, if someone is faster than me without assists on I don't care fair play to them they can obviously drive well.

We had a room of 32 BMW's last night and it was the best race I have had, everyone respected each other and there were hardly any incidents, this was assists on, how many didn't use them I don't know but it didn't matter everyone could drive.

I am toying with using realistic aids so that each car is true to the real world so some may not have anything ie MK1 Escort, you playing with everything off is not correct for some cars, some have one but not the other so who is right with or without, answer is neither, realistic aids is sim!!

TrevorAustin
19-06-2015, 18:00
Yeah I wasn't upset just making the point that people turn them off and some people can't drive for shit it ends up a crashfest, I leave them on for that reason, I don't use traction but I do use ABS and stability for the moment as I get more confident I will turn them off for myself but still leave them on for who wants them, complaining you are slower because other people use assists is crazy, if you where fast enough with them off then having them on wouldn't matter would it? So maybe you need to put your training wheels back on, learn the tracks and cars and then turn them off when you are ready because if you are slower you are not ready.

I enjoy racing not crashing, if someone is faster than me without assists on I don't care fair play to them they can obviously drive well.

We had a room of 32 BMW's last night and it was the best race I have had, everyone respected each other and there were hardly any incidents, this was assists on, how many didn't use them I don't know but it didn't matter everyone could drive.

I am toying with using realistic aids so that each car is true to the real world so some may not have anything ie MK1 Escort, you playing with everything off is not correct for some cars, some have one but not the other so who is right with or without, answer is neither, realistic aids is sim!!

I use real, it's how the cars were designed from day one :) you can still map a button to turn them off, just like in real life.

Charger
19-06-2015, 18:06
I have a button set for traction as I do use it on a couple of cars, I think I will set them real tonight and set a couple more buttons, I take it if I set them real you can only turn off what is available, you can't turn on what is not?

TrevorAustin
19-06-2015, 18:11
Yes that's correct. Works really well, but don't do it in bends:)

Charger
19-06-2015, 18:16
Lol, yeah found that out with DRS on the Formula A, thanks for the info, going to upset my mates tonight lol.

TrevorAustin
19-06-2015, 18:18
Lol, yeah found that out with DRS on the Formula A, thanks for the info, going to upset my mates tonight lol.

Haha, exactly what i did:)

Fight-Test
19-06-2015, 20:19
I think most racing games we have played in past required us to turn of assists to be faster. This game I don't feel the same although alot of people perceive it to be. Just go look at the pc leaderboards and you will see, atleast in the GT3's cars with assist on and mostly wheel drivers. Racing games always have blanket assist that effect the cars the same. This game they were designed to work with each car. I for one am not as fast as I am with assist. For example I can run low 2:01's at silverstone with assist and 2:03's with them off. I just cant get the grip on corner exit. Now I can do alot of tuning to and get the car to hook up but then it just ends up feeling like I have traction control on but worse and slower. I do however run a higher percent of slip on the traction control compared to default and there is no way you can be competitive in the rain with no traction control. I run the z4 mostly and it has stability control also (i think the only gt3 car that runs it) and I can turn on or off and not really feel a difference. Same for ABS, but traction control is seemingly a must for me to get into the top teir of times.

Charger
20-06-2015, 00:21
Tried realistic earlier and as suspected it was a mess, I think it's going to take 6 months before some people realise they cant drive and leave, it will smooth out and then the sim will begin, only time it will peak is when the game goes on offer or free weekend, I love it and try to drive with respect, I get hit all the time but don't retaliate, it doesn't help matters.

Charger
20-06-2015, 00:25
I think most racing games we have played in past required us to turn of assists to be faster. This game I don't feel the same although alot of people perceive it to be. Just go look at the pc leaderboards and you will see, atleast in the GT3's cars with assist on and mostly wheel drivers. Racing games always have blanket assist that effect the cars the same. This game they were designed to work with each car. I for one am not as fast as I am with assist. For example I can run low 2:01's at silverstone with assist and 2:03's with them off. I just cant get the grip on corner exit. Now I can do alot of tuning to and get the car to hook up but then it just ends up feeling like I have traction control on but worse and slower. I do however run a higher percent of slip on the traction control compared to default and there is no way you can be competitive in the rain with no traction control. I run the z4 mostly and it has stability control also (i think the only gt3 car that runs it) and I can turn on or off and not really feel a difference. Same for ABS, but traction control is seemingly a must for me to get into the top teir of times.

My mates 10th on the leaderboards for formula A on the Nordschliefe, he uses a wheel and traction so I found out recently, I was trying to do it without, it just needs the right choices for the right cars.

MABlosfeld
20-06-2015, 15:11
I think most racing games we have played in past required us to turn of assists to be faster. This game I don't feel the same although alot of people perceive it to be. Just go look at the pc leaderboards and you will see, atleast in the GT3's cars with assist on and mostly wheel drivers. Racing games always have blanket assist that effect the cars the same. This game they were designed to work with each car. I for one am not as fast as I am with assist. For example I can run low 2:01's at silverstone with assist and 2:03's with them off. I just cant get the grip on corner exit. Now I can do alot of tuning to and get the car to hook up but then it just ends up feeling like I have traction control on but worse and slower. I do however run a higher percent of slip on the traction control compared to default and there is no way you can be competitive in the rain with no traction control. I run the z4 mostly and it has stability control also (i think the only gt3 car that runs it) and I can turn on or off and not really feel a difference. Same for ABS, but traction control is seemingly a must for me to get into the top teir of times.

I've tried to play all forms, with assistance without assistance, using
steering wheel, keyboard, joystick, mouse, power of the mind, autopilot etc etc etc
a friend (pcars moderator) advised: search community (CLAN) and have fun, play in the public lobby is not for the good players.

tutorial of how to get along playing in the public lobby:
1) take energetic drink
2) smell cocaine
3) stick your finger in the electric socket
4) test run test run
5) create a room with five preference struggling with poor visibility
6) set the assists ON
7) configure the settings to drive 5 laps only
8) wait for the guinea pigs (opponents)
9) fire in marijuana
10) run like Carmagedon

MABlosfeld
21-06-2015, 01:53
I did some testing with Assists:
With these precise definitions lead to WARNING and CAUTION
steering (No)
Braking (No)
Driving aids (No) or (Real)
Anti-look Brakes (Yes)
Traction control (No)
Stability control (No)
Tire Wear (Real)

Now the settings below driving is EASY and QUICK
steering (No)
Braking (No)
Driving aids (Yes)
Anti-look Brakes (Yes)
Traction control (Yes)
Stability control (Yes)
Tire Wear (Real)

It is proven to drive with assists has an advantage, that is a fact.

TrevorAustin
21-06-2015, 06:58
For you yes, you have proven it, that is why all of those features were developed for real cars, to make average drivers safer and faster, so not really sure of your point?

NutsMammoth
21-06-2015, 13:04
Tired online races. Game Over.

MULTIVITZ
21-06-2015, 13:14
Nuts is right.
Having spent some quality time tuning these cars now. I have found the assist work with the car, not against it. You still have to tune the car, I tune with the assist off, but you still get brake feel through the pad even when the ABS is on. You still have to drive accordingly to maximise a fast lap, even the stability management is respectable and realistic(it can slow you down a little at times!)

This ain't F:O#Z@

MABlosfeld
21-06-2015, 17:15
Simple question: When and why would I want to turn off traction control?
R: On a track.

Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) is full nanny mode. Prevents wheel spin by not only controlling brakes, but also throttle management. This is what mode the car is in unless you change it.
Dynamic TractionControl (DTC) is what happens when you push the "DTC" button once. In DTC, the computer will allow a limited amount of wheel spin, This is helpful in snow or slightly slick conditions, when some wheelspin is acceptable or useful (as previous posts have mentioned). DTC will not kill the throttle to prevent wheel spin. You can tell you're in DTC mode because you'll see "DTC" on your dash indicator. Think of DTC as a slightly more lenient babysitter, as opposed to a strict nanny. You can play a little, but it's still there to keep you from going wild.
If you press and hold the DTC button, you'll disable DSC/DTC entirely, and you'll see the cool little circular arrow witht he warning triangle. In this mode, the computer doesn't intervene at all - you're on your own.
look here: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=617971

Short Shifting: the technique of exchanging power for control
Anyone who has ridden a Chevette on rainy days know what it is ...
look here: http://www.flatout.com.br/short-shifting-a-tecnica-de-trocar-potencia-por-controle/