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ToOSk3tChY
04-07-2015, 23:28
Welcome to the third DTA PCARS HLC - Lublix BMW 320 Turbo. The setting is arguably the most technical track you'll find on the UK Time Attack calendar and the car well, this Group 5 BMW 320 Turbo has a beautiful sounding engine and is a true joy to drive once you learn to tame it.

Below are the details if you want to get in on this.


HLC #3 - Lublix BMW 320 Turbo
http://i.imgur.com/zGpsCtm.png

Terms of this HLC...
You must set your time in Time Trial mode.
You must be able to prove your Time.

CAR: BMW 320 Turbo Group 5.
TRACK: Cadwell GP.
PAINT: You must use '#8 Lublix' paint.
TUNING: Is Allowed

EACH PLATFORM WILL BE SCORED WITH ITS OWN LEADERBOARD. THAT MEANS THAT THERE WILL BE A MAXIMUM 3 WINNERS. ONE FOR XB1, PS4, AND PC.

XBOX ONE TIMES
IMPORTANT - Registering your time
When submitting a time that is a PB then all you have to do is message me(ToOSk3tChY) here or on XBL and I will have a look at the PCARS Leaderboard or post here in the thread. It would help in this instance if you gave me your LB position but its not necessary.
When submitting a time that is not a PB all you have to do is pause the game in Time Trial mode and use XBOX One's 'Take a Screenshot(Y Button)' feature to record your time on-screen. Message me here or on XBL and I will check the activity feed, make sure the screenshot is shared before XBL messaging me.

PC AND PS4 TIMES
IMPORTANT - Registering your time
I will need to see a screenshot of some sort either from the leaderboard in Time Trial or if you have Paused the game in Time Trial. Without these I can not validate your time

BASE SETUP (http://projectcarssetups.eu/#/viewsetup/203463446)

LEADERBOARD (http://1drv.ms/1CXZZOj)

EMW Simmo's Setup (http://projectcarssetups.eu/#/viewsetup/24103560)

This HLC ends at Midnight GMT on the 31st JULY 2015.


Thank you
ToOSk3tChY
Digital Time Attack Admin

FA RACING 01
05-07-2015, 06:12
I"ll be there.

Just to make sure. Do you guys race on SMS new rule of "two wheels on curb" or "two wheels inside" or "four wheels inside" ?

ToOSk3tChY
05-07-2015, 08:09
Clear corner cutting to gain an advantage is prohibited and it's worth saying there aren't many places on cadwell that accept 4 wheels over if any.

I don't believe it should be an issue on this track.

FA RACING 01
05-07-2015, 08:22
Clear corner cutting to gain an advantage is prohibited and it's worth saying there aren't many places on cadwell that accept 4 wheels over if any.

I don't believe it should be an issue on this track.

Thanks. See you there then.

Joni Varis
05-07-2015, 08:42
Low 1.21 should be good benchmark to aim for this combo. Just did few laps and best was high 1.21, will do some more laps later today.

I think only clear place to cut is last sector where you can basicly straightline the esses & run over the cones.

iKasbian
05-07-2015, 09:19
Low 1.21 should be good benchmark to aim for this combo. Just did few laps and best was high 1.21, will do some more laps later today.




"EACH PLATFORM WILL BE SCORED WITH ITS OWN LEADERBOARD. THAT MEANS THAT THERE WILL BE A MAXIMUM OF 3 WINNERS. ONE FOR XB1, PS4, AND PC."


Hopefully you get some competition from your fellow PC users this time, 'fast guys' who spend the time sorting a tune and doing more than just a messy lap.

ToOSk3tChY
05-07-2015, 09:51
True but you'd barely just have 4 wheels over if at all.

XB1 benchmark you're looking at more high 22's and that's a good lap. We've found in both if our first 2 HLCs that PC has more performance than XB1. Hence why this time there are individual platform LB's.

Good luck to everyone that takes part.

ToOSk3tChY
05-07-2015, 09:53
Also remember to state your full time backed up by proof for it to count.

Joni Varis
05-07-2015, 10:01
True but you'd barely just have 4 wheels over if at all.

XB1 benchmark you're looking at more high 22's and that's a good lap. We've found in both if our first 2 HLCs that PC has more performance than XB1. Hence why this time there are individual platform LB's.

Good luck to everyone that takes part. Fail to see how there would be any difference beetween platforms. Its allready stated several times by devs that physicks are identical beetween all platforms. On SMS-R events laptimes also has been very consistent thru all platforms.

Will post screenshot of the time later when i get better lap done.

ToOSk3tChY
05-07-2015, 10:40
I know, Joni and that was my original thought on it. We have absolutely gone through it all during our first HLC and the time differential was not quite conclusive enough to be 100%. I have a source who runs both XB1 and PCARS and they're generally a second quicker on PC as well.

Although your time on HLC 2 was excellent and very well deserved you stated there must be 1-2 seconds more in that time and that would put you nearly 5 seconds quicker than iKasabian. We had to try many setups to get the 17/18's and your time was done on a stock tune with very little attempts as with the other PC guy who participated.

That sort of time difference against iKasabian is unlikely unless something else was in play. He loaded his own video and was a lot smoother around the track it seemed than yourself.

That's why we now believe for the interest of fair competition we should score platforms seperately. It's not ideal but there's enough now to suggest PC has an advantage until proven otherwise.

Cheers

Joni Varis
05-07-2015, 10:50
Smoother aint always faster tho :) If you example use autoclutch with these cars that has h-pattern it will only slow you down as gearshifts are a lot slower by desing (that autoclutch users wont gain advantage). Which in long stages can make quite a difference.

But i really dont believe there is any difference. If you example compare Formula A/Silverstone SMS-R event, times are very much same on XO than at PC. But i dont mind separate boards.

ToOSk3tChY
05-07-2015, 11:08
I agree and went through every single no.1 on xb1 and PC with the formula A. Xb1 actually had more no.1's. I'll try turning auto clutch off but based on your video I am even with you for the entire first sector of the course where enough gear changes occur. It's the middle and end where you'd make 4 seconds on me. You can also reach a higher top speed on the straight. I reach 229 kph quite early on the last straight and the car sounds like it's gonna blow up and can't get any more. Using stock gear ratio as well.

Anyway, I am still investigating it but for this one I think it's best we run seperate LB's. That may change in future but we'll see.

iKasbian
05-07-2015, 11:57
But i really dont believe there is any difference. If you example compare Formula A/Silverstone SMS-R event, times are very much same on XO than at PC.

So, essentially what you're saying is the rest of us in the last TT were just....crap?

Joni Varis
05-07-2015, 12:58
Where did i say that?

ToOSk3tChY
05-07-2015, 13:03
I see your point Kas but I don't think Joni meant anything maliciously

iKasbian
05-07-2015, 13:35
I see your point Kas but I don't think Joni meant anything maliciously


Certainly implies it...

3 seconds quicker without trying
without a full tune
with a messy lap
by his own admission not a 'fast' driver himself
could 'easily' go 2 seconds quicker if he could be bothered...


And yet he states we're on the same footing? :confused:

Joni Varis
05-07-2015, 13:52
You have to remember that i have played the game 3 years, so these cars/tracks are quite familiar to me so i know the limits of them and can push atleast decent laps immideatly. Also dont think i said anywhere that dont consider myself as "fast driver".

Others points were just facts, escort lap wasnt the cleanest one, but that doesnt mean it cant be fast. And yes with more laps could of improved the time & escort really isnt of the cars that benefits massivly from " full tune".

But seriously, you should calm down a bit. As you probably know english aint my native language, so there might be some correlations needed to some of the posts. Didnt want to deliberately downplay anyones efforts & as you feel like that im sry about it.

FA RACING 01
05-07-2015, 14:00
We understand what you trying to say Joni. No problem. Keep those fast laps coming mate. :cool:

iKasbian
05-07-2015, 14:16
You have to remember that i have played the game 3 years, so these cars/tracks are quite familiar to me so i know the limits of them and can push atleast decent laps immideatly. Also dont think i said anywhere that dont consider myself as "fast driver".

Others points were just facts, escort lap wasnt the cleanest one, but that doesnt mean it cant be fast. And yes with more laps could of improved the time & escort really isnt of the cars that benefits massivly from " full tune".

But seriously, you should calm down a bit. As you probably know english aint my native language, so there might be some correlations needed to some of the posts. Didnt want to deliberately downplay anyones efforts & as you feel like that im sry about it.


Yea, the car and track got quite familiar to me also, spent best part of 4hrs getting my 3:17'5.

Of course everything sketch and myself say is going to come across as just 'poor loosers', 'noobs' but its a common sense/experience standpoint. Its just simply not possible to go 5 seconds quicker on the Xbox with a controller (can't say whats possible with a wheel, don't have one).



Anyway, we're on separate leaderboards now so lets move on :cool:

ToOSk3tChY
05-07-2015, 14:19
Let's get some times on the board people. Really looking forward to this one

Joni Varis
05-07-2015, 16:15
210770

http://cars-stats-steam.wmdportal.com/index.php/leaderboard?track=1876749797&vehicle=779111340


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH8WFN8r76A

ToOSk3tChY
05-07-2015, 17:04
Nice time. If I were on PC I'd be second on that LB as well

Joni Varis
05-07-2015, 17:09
I tried to fiddle with gearing but didnt find good solution for whole track, at some corners it still feels like being on too low/high gear. Overall this track feels like karting track on car like this which isnt particularly nimble, specially s3 its like being elephant at china shop :)

ToOSk3tChY
05-07-2015, 18:50
With a 1.21 having already done close to a 22 my self I think this thing is a lot if fun. It's a track that features regularly in the UK time attack season. Check out YouTube vids of the Gobstopper II around there.

My only issue is the down hill chicane. Switching from right quickly to left is tough with my current tune anyway.

FA RACING 01
05-07-2015, 20:50
I tried to fiddle with gearing but didnt find good solution for whole track, at some corners it still feels like being on too low/high gear. Overall this track feels like karting track on car like this which isnt particularly nimble, specially s3 its like being elephant at china shop :)

Great lap Joni. Think I got my gears all wrong, but will work on that. Anyway, well done mate.

OperatorWay
06-07-2015, 04:47
Low 1.21 should be good benchmark to aim for...

Heh, yeah that's a good benchmark if you're one of the world's top players. :)

I'm lucky if I can rightfully consider myself slightly better than average. :D

01:24.941 is my best so far. I may take another few shots at it, but I don't expect to chop a whole lot off of that. I'm not expecting to win here, just a mere mortal participating for fun.

I'm currently #5 on the PC leaderboard (http://cars-stats-steam.wmdportal.com/index.php/leaderboard?track=1876749797&vehicle=779111340) - out of 18 total entries on this track in this car. :p

I'm pretty sure I managed to keep at least 2 tires inside the white lines at all times. I have driving assists set to "real," with steering & braking assistance both off/disabled.

Mazda Laguna Seca Raceway is famous for a section of the track known as "the corkscrew." Cadwell is like a whole track full of corkscrews! I may try fiddling with my tune some more to try to dial it in better for the unique challenges of this circuit.

Thanks for posting a video of your lap Joni. I may never be as fast as you, but seeing how the faster drivers do it at least helps me gradually improve. My tune doesn't seem to want to go where your car goes at the speed your car takes some of these turns. I usually just try to make only minimal changes in the tuning settings because it's so time-consuming in free practice to keep going back to the pits & starting all over on cold tires again & again.

Good luck to everyone in this comp.

Doctor Doom
06-07-2015, 07:26
Cadwell is my favorite track. I call it someone's backyard track.

ToOSk3tChY
06-07-2015, 07:43
I'll be uploading my base tune tonight.

As for gears I adjusted final drive down 1 click from middle.

So will turning auto clutch off help be quicker. It's tough using clutch effectively on controller

ToOSk3tChY
06-07-2015, 07:51
I know it's not as quick as some of the times being set but still... We're digital time attack and love time attack! Let this get you in the mood...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFrIdbCvkOs

OperatorWay
06-07-2015, 09:48
I somehow pulled a 1:23.904 (http://cars-stats-steam.wmdportal.com/index.php/leaderboard?track=1876749797&vehicle=779111340) after some more tuning & practice. I think it might take a miracle for me to get any faster than that. :)

ToOSk3tChY
06-07-2015, 20:08
Base setup added - decent starting point

I use controller on XB1

FA RACING 01
07-07-2015, 06:37
Early run got me 1:25.795 and about #56 on combined-class LB.

Looking at Joni's video clip, I'm just about on par on sector 1, but loosing out bad in sectors 2 and 3 through the esses with my current setup. Gearing need some big changes as I hardly [if at all] get to 5th, so will have a re-look at that and run again later.

Start to like the track [then hate it and then love it and then hate it and ......]

ToOSk3tChY
07-07-2015, 08:44
Look at the base setup FA. You won't have any gearing issues with 5th in that setup.

If I was going to be critical of the setup I would say it maybe needs stronger springs, a tiny bit more stability and unless you turn into the chicane early you'll lose front end grip a little. I believe this is because the elevation change and the front end essentially is off the ground a little.

It's a great starting point though. I set a 1.22.931(I think 931) last night in it with more time in it if I can nail that chicane.

ToOSk3tChY
07-07-2015, 11:30
Leaderboard Added

FA RACING 01
07-07-2015, 21:33
Look at the base setup FA. You won't have any gearing issues with 5th in that setup.

If I was going to be critical of the setup I would say it maybe needs stronger springs, a tiny bit more stability and unless you turn into the chicane early you'll lose front end grip a little. I believe this is because the elevation change and the front end essentially is off the ground a little.

It's a great starting point though. I set a 1.22.931(I think 931) last night in it with more time in it if I can nail that chicane.

Nice tune mate. Done a few laps earlier and found 1.7sec immediately. Actually found more, but keep on messing up on two corners, so be back soon ( soon as wife forgets about that "things to do list" ) ;)

Time now 1:24.045

ToOSk3tChY
08-07-2015, 06:37
Great improvement FA. There's chat going on in the same thread over at DTA if you're bothered. Some setup talk etc. You'd have to sign up but it only takes 2 seconds.

-UT-
08-07-2015, 11:15
Hi, just to put PS4 on the boards.
1:23:545
211119
And my clip, so you can compare sector times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP-31y8WzL0

ToOSk3tChY
08-07-2015, 11:22
First ever PS4 driver in any of our HLC's. Great Time, well done!

Tell your mates and lets see that PS4 LB fill up! :D

Thank you

FA RACING 01
08-07-2015, 11:53
Great improvement FA. There's chat going on in the same thread over at DTA if you're bothered. Some setup talk etc. You'd have to sign up but it only takes 2 seconds.

Did that thanks.

mikadri
08-07-2015, 14:38
I have a 1.22.519,ps4
How do I upload the photo?

ToOSk3tChY
08-07-2015, 15:17
I have a 1.22.519,ps4
How do I upload the photo?

Not sure on PS4. Can you screenshot on PS4 then upload it/share it anywhere then maybe use an image sharing host

mikadri
08-07-2015, 15:23
dobbeltpost

mikadri
08-07-2015, 15:24
Yes,I can upload to facebook/Twitter but I dont have those or I can e-mail it someone.Perhaps I can e-mail myself....Ill try...
Lol,no that was just message someone.
Well,Ill just do as in good old days days:)
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/CAM_0240.jpg (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/mikadri/media/CAM_0240.jpg.html)

-UT-
08-07-2015, 15:48
mikadri, I just save it to a usb and uppload through pc

mikadri
08-07-2015, 15:52
mikadri, I just save it to a usb and uppload through pc

Yes I saw that,but I need to buy one first.thanks.

ToOSk3tChY
08-07-2015, 16:14
Nice time! I'll update LB shortly just heading home from work.

-UT-
08-07-2015, 17:43
New pb, having big problems with the last corners
211164

mikadri
08-07-2015, 19:40
New update 1.21.817

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/CAM_0242.jpg (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/mikadri/media/CAM_0242.jpg.html)

Tomcul
08-07-2015, 20:34
Are these times being set wit all assists off including abs?

mikadri
08-07-2015, 20:48
Are these times being set wit all assists off including abs?

Nope.I use abs,stability,trc,drivinglines,seatbelt and helmet :D

Tomcul
08-07-2015, 20:53
Seriously though?

FA RACING 01
08-07-2015, 21:03
Nope.I use abs,stability,trc,drivinglines,seatbelt and helmet :D

No gloves ? ;)

mikadri
08-07-2015, 21:10
No gloves ? ;)

No unfortunally,but my dog are watching my bag,hehh
Seriously I use those 3 assists.I havnt been able to drive faster without yet

FA RACING 01
08-07-2015, 22:03
@ ToOSk3 - latest new time posted on DTA forum. Thanks.

theredeye_uk
08-07-2015, 22:54
Hi. thanks again for another great TT!
I love this circuit and have been lucky enough to race it several times in real life, in a race spec Pug 205 GTI. It;s incredible. The only thing missing from the Pcars version are the wet leaves at the top of the hill by the esses... these are a complete bstard and can easily spin you off!


I've gone my onw way on tune, pure quesswork and no science. Managed a 1.24.496 on Xbox one. you can see it on thel eaderboard as my PB (theredeye uk, about number 51).
I rekon there is easily another second in there with this tune.

Well done on the 1.22 but one observation. On the in game replay posted, it looks like the driver just yanks on full lock for nearly every corner. I would expect this to result in massive understeer and sliding straight off. Is there something wrong with the in car view that makes it look like the wheel is being turned so aggresisively with no negative impact?

Thanks

OperatorWay
08-07-2015, 22:58
...On the in game replay posted, it looks like the driver just yanks on full lock for nearly every corner. I would expect this to result in massive understeer and sliding straight off. Is there something wrong with the in car view that makes it look like the wheel is being turned so aggresisively with no negative impact?

I've seen reports of issues with replays saying they're not always precise representations of what actually occurred. If that's true & I had to guess, I might speculate that full real-time details are not recorded for replays in order to avoid slowing down other processes (like real-time physics & frame-rates). Then, during playback, perhaps the replay attempts to fill-in-the-blanks & doesn't always get it exactly right. Then again, maybe the visual speed of steering wheel's rotation during the replay doesn't match whatever sensitivity and/or dampening settings might be configured & applied real-time. Or maybe a bit of both. Or maybe something else entirely. Just guessing.

Joni Varis
09-07-2015, 05:07
Replay steering animation is messed up atleast with most car & doesnt show the prober inputs. Only way to post video with prober inputs is to record live gameplay.

mikadri
09-07-2015, 09:50
So,first time below .21 :)
1.20.952

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/CAM_0244.jpg (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/mikadri/media/CAM_0244.jpg.html)

Joni Varis
09-07-2015, 09:52
And did you straightline the esses runing over the cones, easy 1s or so gained there if so ;)

If not would be great to see such fast lap on video.

Tomcul
09-07-2015, 09:53
not very fair to use assists on a car that really would have none. Currently on early 1.25s much improvement needed hard to keep that back end in check on full boost!

mikadri
09-07-2015, 10:08
And did you straightline the esses runing over the cones, easy 1s or so gained there if so ;)

If not would be great to see such fast lap on video.

Ha ha ha,yeaa every corner,cone and shortcut I could find,-thanks for asking...
No,I learned my lesson in Sonoma,Ive done a clean lap :rolleyes:
I can go a little faster,so im getting an USB stick today so I have better proves next time.
Tomcul.
I dont agree with you.I cant see why I should use settings witch actually slows me down.
Please dont start that discussion as the rules allow it.

iKasbian
09-07-2015, 10:10
And the unfairness cranks up another notch...

No matter what this challenge is now going to get people arguing ... Its either HAS to be an all out take the track to the limits of its own 'invalidation' (CUTTING) or have an impartial judge studying every ones replay and then deeming what corner/s may or may not have been infringed.... kind of impossible really.


I don't think I can be bothered with it, the last one has left a sour taste in my mouth as it is.

mikadri
09-07-2015, 10:18
And the unfairness cranks up another notch...

No matter what this challenge is now going to get people arguing ... Its either HAS to be an all out take the track to the limits of its own 'invalidation' (CUTTING) or have an impartial judge studying every ones replay and then deeming what corner/s may or may not have been infringed.... kind of impossible really.
I don't think I can be bothered with it, the last one has left a sour taste in my mouth as it is.

Go and wash your mouth then!!
The only UNFAIR is that because Im 0.2 faster than Joni,-you guys just decide I was cutting

Tomcul
09-07-2015, 10:19
But you're using things that this car doesn't actually have. Respect to your time even with assists it would take me a good bit of practice to come near to it but the fact is that the 320 turbo has no electronic aids. Even just using abs on this car makes a big difference to braking points because wit abs you can turn up braking force to near 100. Don't want to be a complainer it's just my opinion..

mikadri
09-07-2015, 10:20
But you're using things that this car doesn't actually have. Respect to your time even with assists it would take me a good bit of practice to come near to it but the fact is that the 320 turbo has no electronic aids. Even just using abs on this car makes a big difference to braking points because wit abs you can turn up braking force to near 100. Don't want to be a complainer it's just my opinion..

No,you can absolut NOT use 100 braking.I use 88

iKasbian
09-07-2015, 10:23
Go and wash your mouth then!!
The only UNFAIR is that because Im 0.2 faster than Joni,-you guys just decide I was cutting

Ha, trust me, I didn't... I'm just predicting how some will want video proof of whats been done, and then they'll study every corner and claim a corner was cut 2mm more than it should have been hence your time...

mikadri
09-07-2015, 10:29
Ha, trust me, I didn't... I'm just predicting how some will want video proof of whats been done, and then they'll study every corner and claim a corner was cut 2mm more than it should have been hence your time...

Ok no offence then.Yea I guess your right about this.

iKasbian
09-07-2015, 10:30
Ok no offence then.Yea I guess your right about this.



I'm not in the game of dishing out offence... I'm kind of used to taking it though, last challenge I was some 3 seconds slower because... I just was :rolleyes:

-UT-
09-07-2015, 10:40
1:21:757, with mikadri as ghost, no cutting (as in Sonoma)!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz0SWi-jigs

Tomcul
09-07-2015, 10:46
No,you can absolut NOT use 100 braking.I use 88

Had it at 97 with abs on worked really well as the fake abs stopped the wheels from locking.
Personally use them at 82 without abs. But anyway to each his own you guys are fast..

Tomcul
09-07-2015, 10:46
No,you can absolut NOT use 100 braking.I use 88

Had it at 97 with abs on worked really well as the fake abs stopped the wheels from locking.
Personally use them at 82 without abs. But anyway to each his own you guys are fast..

-UT-
09-07-2015, 10:57
I got half a second faster with stability Control, abs makes me slower.

ToOSk3tChY
09-07-2015, 11:02
Compared to most other tracks in game Cadwell GP can barely be considered a track you can cut on. Don't worry about corner cutting, I'm not saying do it on purpose but I know that Cadwell isn't bad and manages itself quite well.

Remember that the whole discussion of corner cutting started because of instances that were OUTRAGEOUS and BLATENT! There are no outrageous or blatent corner cuts in Cadwell. Just tiny ones that can be forgiven.

There were tracks in Forza that you could cut like hell for instance Indy GP first corner so take a step back from the corner cutting discussion and realise that this is nowhere near in the same league and plenty of other racing titles I am sure have had corners that could be cut a little.

If any of you can show me an EXTREME case of cutting on Cadwell GP then I will look at it. The only possible corner that I can think of though would be the esses, specifically the corner on the crest(3rd in esses before the 90 degree, second to last). I don't think there's a huge advantage there but I am willing to listen.

Now go and set your quickest clean times in accordance with what the game deems is clean.

Cheers

Joni Varis
09-07-2015, 11:04
I wouldnt really call the straightlining the esses small one, even like that when you dont really cut but play bowling with the cones gains you time massively. Cones are there for reason you know, and the reason is not to trying to run over those :)

But everyone obviouslt does what they feels best, im not going to exploit the game just to get on top. Im much rather slower & race the track as supposed.

ToOSk3tChY
09-07-2015, 11:20
With regard to assists - I see some of the points being raised, there certainly is more glory in not using assists so use them if you want to. If it's a lot quicker then I might even use them. There are experienced drivers who can run with or without and there are drivers that aren't so experienced who can't run without them - that's why a car that has no electrical aids in real life has them in a game.

I don't want to discourage anyone from giving this a go and it has to be fair for the majority. I understand there are those that might be discouraged because the contest allows aids but these leaderboards operate on the same basis as any racing title. You can't push out people that need to use the aids to drive so instead we give you the choice and every driver out there knows... there is more respect, glory and honour gained from not using driving aids.

The choice has to be there.

Cheers

ToOSk3tChY
09-07-2015, 11:35
I wouldnt really call the straightlining the esses small one, even like that when you dont really cut but play bowling with the cones gains you time massively. Cones are there for reason you know, and the reason is not to trying to run over those :)

But everyone obviouslt does what they feels best, im not going to exploit the game just to get on top. Im much rather slower & race the track as supposed.

Conversely, I wouldn't really call knocking down the cones but keeping 2 wheels on the tracks during that section 'straightlining'. It's a delicate section that no matter how you take it requires delicate input, especially on controller.

Who's to say that in real life if these big wide ass pwerful GT cars actually ran Cadwell GP then the organisers would consider taking those cones down. We don't know and it doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with the current hot topic of corner cutting because you still have 2 wheels on the tarmac.

Cheers

mikadri
09-07-2015, 11:54
1:21:757, with mikadri as ghost, no cutting (as in Sonoma)!

Nice vid mate,-Thanks for support:)

Joni Varis
09-07-2015, 11:59
Conversely, I wouldn't really call knocking down the cones but keeping 2 wheels on the tracks during that section 'straightlining'. It's a delicate section that no matter how you take it requires delicate input, especially on controller.

Who's to say that in real life if these big wide ass pwerful GT cars actually ran Cadwell GP then the organisers would consider taking those cones down. We don't know and it doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with the current hot topic of corner cutting because you still have 2 wheels on the tarmac.

Cheers Its exatly that, straightlinig the track & taking advantage of something you could never do irl without damaging the car. If you take the complex without hitting cones you actually need to treat those kinks as corners, just like real life. While when you run over those you can run much higher speed and keep car much more straight. I dont mind of someone accidently hits cone or two if trying to drive proberly, but doing it on purpose is just exploiting the game.

-UT-
09-07-2015, 12:02
Joni, if this was real life the cones would be gone by the first lap:)

iKasbian
09-07-2015, 12:14
Joni, if this was real life the cones would be gone by the first lap:)


Have you got any footage of this happening in RL?

I've been watching replays on youtube and can't find any examples of the cones being driven over (purposely or not). I know for a fact these particular cones can do real damage to tyres/body work/suspension parts so are avoided (as much as possible).

mikadri
09-07-2015, 12:17
OK,now Ive got my self an USB stick,but is it possible to save the replay in TT?-dont think Ive seen that option..
How do you guys do it?

-UT-
09-07-2015, 12:31
Have you got any footage of this happening in RL?

I've been watching replays on youtube and can't find any examples of the cones being driven over (purposely or not). I know for a fact these particular cones can do real damage to tyres/body work/suspension parts so are avoided (as much as possible).

I was just kidding, you guys are taking it way too serious.

-UT-
09-07-2015, 12:39
OK,now Ive got my self an USB stick,but is it possible to save the replay in TT?-dont think Ive seen that option..
How do you guys do it?

Use the share button, and save replay, ps4 saves the last 15 min of gameplay by default i think!

ToOSk3tChY
09-07-2015, 12:55
I'm sorry but the cones are too difficult to moderate and too time consuming for the users to validate times since you have to upload videos everytime. Even if everyone was required to record a video then you can't manage it because someone may have knocked them over on a previous lap and then you have the argument where one person says 'I would have been in if the cones were there' and so forth... it's not happening. This isn't real life just a representation and nowhere near 100%. I don't see any problem with just keeping 2 wheels on the track.

It's as even a playing field as it can really be and that's all you can ask for in competition. The issue about cones and other material on track in PCARS, not doing enough damage when struck, has already been discussed and is a question for the developers of the game to look at and remedy.

Try and forget the inconsistencies between RL and PCARS and try and just have some fun guys. Apologies that it can't be perfect.

Cheers

iKasbian
09-07-2015, 14:01
I'm sorry but the cones are too difficult to moderate and too time consuming for the users to validate times since you have to upload videos everytime. Even if everyone was required to record a video then you can't manage it because someone may have knocked them over on a previous lap and then you have the argument where one person says 'I would have been in if the cones were there' and so forth... it's not happening. This isn't real life just a representation and nowhere near 100%. I don't see any problem with just keeping 2 wheels on the track.

It's as even a playing field as it can really be and that's all you can ask for in competition. The issue about cones and other material on track in PCARS, not doing enough damage when struck, has already been discussed and is a question for the developers of the game to look at and remedy.

Try and forget the inconsistencies between RL and PCARS and try and just have some fun guys. Apologies that it can't be perfect.

Cheers



Agree with you mate, problem is the difference between knocking over those cones and not could mean the difference between 1st place and 10th (potentially)

Whether its being 'fussy' or not it makes the comp an unfair one (as far as positions go), flat lining those cones IS cutting corners (3) something I thought FA racing was strictly against? And yet he likes your post actively encourging it?

theredeye_uk
09-07-2015, 14:07
I feel the conversation has gone a little off topic here, but I'm going to wade in as I have some relevant insight.

The debate seems to be whether taking out the markers at the esses equals something that would be penalised in real life. Well rather than speculate or accues, I can tell you, as I have competed at Cadwell Park in real life in MSA / FIA approved championships, in real life.

If you take out the markers but don't allow all 4 wheels outside of the white lines then there is no issue. Most circuits place the markers far enough away from the white lines that you would have to fully leave the track to hit them, or they use very aggressivly shaped rumble strips that would cause you to lose some time / control or risk damage if you ran over them, especially lap after lap. But if the markers are in range without leaving the track then it's normally simply no issue. The only exception I have ever seen is, during a 'pre-race breifing' the stewards warn the drivers about a particular corner where that won't be permitted, normally for safety reasons.

I hope that helps.

Now I'm going to have to work out how to shave 4 seconds off my time to get near the top. I ony pulled together a rough tune and have mid corner understeer to need to correct that as I prefer oversteer that can be controlled with the throttle.

Well dont again To0SktChY for another great TT.

Joni Varis
09-07-2015, 14:39
Yet fail to see who would run over those on purpose irl in style some guys here does, it would certainly damage the car.

ToOSk3tChY
09-07-2015, 14:41
Whether its being 'fussy' or not it makes the comp an unfair one.

How when everyone can do it? There's no unfair advantage in that respect

ToOSk3tChY
09-07-2015, 14:50
Yet fail to see who would run over those on purpose irl in style some guys here does, it would certainly damage the car.

It just has to be fair, it doesn't have to be a true representation of RL. Nobody is failing to see anything. It's just that there's nothing that can be done about it. Just like assists, use them or don't... Knock over the cones or don't. Whatever makes you feel happiest.

It's not going to change anything. We're aware of it.

FA RACING 01
09-07-2015, 14:50
Ha ha ha,yeaa every corner,cone and shortcut I could find,-thanks for asking...
No,I learned my lesson in Sonoma,Ive done a clean lap :rolleyes:
I can go a little faster,so im getting an USB stick today so I have better proves next time.
Tomcul.
I dont agree with you.I cant see why I should use settings witch actually slows me down.
Please dont start that discussion as the rules allow it.

Really great lap mikadri. Well done. I think SMS very recently made their new rule for TT's very clear - "two wheels on curb" and those are the rules which apply and should be adhered to. If ToOSk agree that for his Chellenge, there cant be any argument. So if there's a tree on the curb, I'll run it over. So my take is mikadri's lap is just brilliant.

ToOSk3tChY
09-07-2015, 14:55
Still doesn't make that section that much easier anyway. Still takes skill as you're essentially lining up a blindish 90 degree turn at a quicker speed over a crest.

iKasbian
09-07-2015, 14:56
How when everyone can do it? There's no unfair advantage in that respect


If everyone can do it then everyone 'must' do it to remain competitive and on an equal footing (platform to platform / wheel to pad) regarding times/placings.

I just thought the ones screaming the most around here would at least see those cones represent a corner (which have to be slowed down for) and expect them to be respected (not ploughed over to gain an advantage)...

Only the way I see it :cool:

iKasbian
09-07-2015, 15:01
Really great lap mikadri. Well done. I think SMS very recently made their new rule for TT's very clear - "two wheels on curb" and those are the rules which apply and should be adhered to. If ToOSk agree that for his Chellenge, there cant be any argument. So if there's a tree on the curb, I'll run it over. So my take is mikadri's lap is just brilliant.


How do you know all of his wheels are not off the track?

ToOSk3tChY
09-07-2015, 15:05
-Get in the BMW and go to Cadwell GP
-Run assists if you want or not
-Don't worry about knocking over the cones but keep the car with 2 wheels on the track
-Set your quickest time
-Jobs a good'un

Now I can focus on beating you all ;)

ToOSk3tChY
09-07-2015, 15:14
How do you know all of his wheels are not off the track?

Cadwell is tight for track limitations(sounds silly, considering our conversation).

There really isn't much of an advantage at all to be gained by full cutting those esses, which I think 1 corner let's you(the 3rd). It's not the optimum line though and it's over grass mostly I think.

EDIT: When I say 'cut' I mean all 4 wheels off track

iKasbian
09-07-2015, 15:28
Cadwell is tight for track limitations(sounds silly, considering our conversation).

There really isn't much of an advantage at all to be gained by full cutting those esses, which I think 1 corner let's you(the 3rd). It's not the optimum line though and it's over grass mostly I think.

We don't know what the top guy actually did to the esses, theres only two replays on here to go by, the one taking out the second set of cones (on the left) has managed to maintain an extra 10kph (don't know how many tenths that equates to). Seems there is an advantage here, maybe not as huge as first appears though.

ToOSk3tChY
09-07-2015, 15:33
You don't have to see his lap. Try cutting yourself and see if it invalidates.

I've run plenty of laps here and it's one of the better tracks

iKasbian
09-07-2015, 15:35
You don't have to see his lap. Try cutting yourself and see if it invalidates.

I've run plenty of laps here and it's one of the better tracks



Ok, will do. I'm off to the chemist now, speak later.

mikadri
09-07-2015, 15:41
Heres my new best 1.20.829 :)
Ok,I hit 2 cones,perhaps 3 in the last sector,but hey-Im an blind old man:cool:
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/th_SDV_0277.mp4 (http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/SDV_0277.mp4)
It takes a little time for the vid to load

FA RACING 01
09-07-2015, 15:48
Heres my new best 1.20.829 :)
Ok,I hit 2 cones,perhaps 3 in the last sector,but hey-Im an blind old man:cool:
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/th_SDV_0277.mp4 (http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/SDV_0277.mp4)
It takes a little time for the vid to load

Brilliant lap mate (even for a blind man) LOL ;) Can't see anything wrong with that so well done.

ToOSk3tChY
09-07-2015, 15:50
Great time makidri, well done. With a better tune ill aim for a second quicker than my 22.9, it's within reach then I'll look at other second lol

mikadri
09-07-2015, 15:53
Brilliant lap mate (even for a blind man) LOL ;) Can't see anything wrong with that so well done.

Thanks FA :)

mikadri
09-07-2015, 15:55
Great time makidri, well done. With a better tune ill aim for a second quicker than my 22.9, it's within reach then I'll look at other second lol

Thanks ToOkSk3thCY :p

iKasbian
09-07-2015, 16:20
Heres my new best 1.20.829 :)
Ok,I hit 2 cones,perhaps 3 in the last sector,but hey-Im an blind old man:cool:
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/th_SDV_0277.mp4 (http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/SDV_0277.mp4)
It takes a little time for the vid to load


Great lap, and I honestly expected to see a greater cut on those esses so well done!

Joni Varis
09-07-2015, 17:25
211299

Few cones got hit, but didnt really straightline it at all.

FA RACING 01
09-07-2015, 17:36
Well done you too Joni. Brilliant lap. Any chance then for a sub 1:20 ?

Joni Varis
09-07-2015, 17:45
Well done you too Joni. Brilliant lap. Any chance then for a sub 1:20 ?

Well looking at pb sectors high 1.19 would be doable. Another thing is to get all sectors done at same lap :)

Joni Varis
09-07-2015, 18:03
Heres my new best 1.20.829 :)
Ok,I hit 2 cones,perhaps 3 in the last sector,but hey-Im an blind old man:cool:
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/th_SDV_0277.mp4 (http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/SDV_0277.mp4)
It takes a little time for the vid to load

Tha vid perfectly highlights how OP its to use assists with this car, no way i could downshift as fast nor hit the kerbs like that without spinning immideatly. Specially SC is like magic carpet setting, makes bad handling car handle like dream immideatly.

Good lap anyway.

mikadri
09-07-2015, 18:35
Tha vid perfectly highlights how OP its to use assists with this car, no way i could downshift as fast nor hit the kerbs like that without spinning immideatly. Specially SC is like magic carpet setting, makes bad handling car handle like dream immideatly.

Good lap anyway.

Glad you liked it Champ:cool:-anyway

ToOSk3tChY
09-07-2015, 18:48
Great lap Joni. Well done! You guys need to slow down lol!

Gonn update table soon if anyone wants to try and get a time on the board before I do

FA RACING 01
09-07-2015, 20:02
Latest time on DTA forum. Thanks.

ToOSk3tChY
10-07-2015, 08:01
LB Updated. My intention was to do it last night but I fell asleep at like 9:30pm lol. Got a lot of though so I'll be hoping to have a good session on this track tonight.

Another thing as well, if you have set your time but haven't yet said so then be sure to so I can at least get you on the LB. I know Tomcul and iKasabian will have at least set some times but you need to give me the full time and proof, I can check iKasabian on XB1 LB. Tomcul, I only have 1.25 ??? from you and iKasabian I don't have a time at all. It help me update the table quicker with new times if you're already on the board as well.

iKasbian
10-07-2015, 08:14
LB Updated. My intention was to do it last night but I fell asleep at like 9:30pm lol. Got a lot of though so I'll be hoping to have a good session on this track tonight.

Another thing as well, if you have set your time but haven't yet said so then be sure to so I can at least get you on the LB. I know Tomcul and iKasabian will have at least set some times but you need to give me the full time and proof, I can check iKasabian on XB1 LB. Tomcul, I only have 1.25 ??? from you and iKasabian I don't have a time at all. It help me update the table quicker with new times if you're already on the board as well.


I did a 1:23'4 last night but really struggling with your tune, if anyone on here would share theirs it'd be much appreciated.

ToOSk3tChY
10-07-2015, 08:22
Is that 1.23.400 Kas? So I can put it on now...

Gonna get off AC Black Flag tonight and run some laps. We could get into a party for the XBOX1 guys

Like this comment if you want to join an XB1 party tonight and do a session


EDIT: We can run in a long practice session for help with tuning(returning to pit box). All settings will match TT identically i.e same time of day, no tyre wear etc etc, no time progression. I will only allow times set under these circumstances if I am present as well.

Tomcul
10-07-2015, 09:02
Have trimmed it down to 1:22.6 so that gets me into the top 30 on ps4. Quite a sloppy lap so hopefully can improve a bit more..

ToOSk3tChY
10-07-2015, 09:05
Have trimmed it down to 1:22.6 so that gets me into the top 30 on ps4. Quite a sloppy lap so hopefully can improve a bit more..

Great time Tomcul. It's natural for times to get quicker as this has been the trend in the first 2 HLC's.

I do need the FULL time and proof to add it to the board as well Tom. Apologies but I only have XB1. XB1 players have to upload pics as well if it's not a PB.

Cheers

Tomcul
10-07-2015, 09:30
If I can get down to 1:21s I'll post a time 1:22.6 is too far away at the moment to be worth bothering with..

FA RACING 01
11-07-2015, 15:02
Into 1:22's at last. Latest time on DTA forum. Thanks.

Sloskimo
13-07-2015, 09:05
Why does it need that livery? It does not really change anything? Just asking since it takes me 4-5 tries sometimes to change the livery, the usual pcars blues :)

mikadri
13-07-2015, 09:18
After a wet:very_drunk: weekend my new best time 1.20.368
-guess I left a few cones standing :cool:
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/Project%20CARS_20150713111750.jpg (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/mikadri/media/Project%20CARS_20150713111750.jpg.html)

iKasbian
13-07-2015, 09:22
After a wet:very_drunk: weekend my new best time 1.20.368
-guess I left a few cones standing :cool:



Thats an insanely quick time, I'm on Xbox and a good 1.5 seconds slower, just can't see where that time could be :confused:

mikadri
13-07-2015, 09:39
Thats an insanely quick time, I'm on Xbox and a good 1.5 seconds slower, just can't see where that time could be :confused:

Well,even 1.5 sec seems to be "a mile",remember I use all 3 assists,and also with the set up postet by ToOSk3tChY on page 1,you can actually go low 1.21,-at least I can.Not that I use the set up,but I started out with it,and have changed it a little only.

Edit;
Well,actually I had forgot that Ive reset the set up,and its THAT one Ive only changed a little.
But the low 1.21 with ToOSk3tChYs setting still count :o

FA RACING 01
13-07-2015, 09:47
After a wet:very_drunk: weekend my new best time 1.20.368
-guess I left a few cones standing :cool:
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/Project%20CARS_20150713111750.jpg (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/mikadri/media/Project%20CARS_20150713111750.jpg.html)

I hate ya. ;)

Great lap mate.

ToOSk3tChY
13-07-2015, 09:54
Why does it need that livery? It does not really change anything? Just asking since it takes me 4-5 tries sometimes to change the livery, the usual pcars blues :)

In PCARS It started with HLC #1. We wanted a livery for the Evo X that could be considered a Time Attack style livery. Ever since then the HLC's have followed suit. However, we have run HLC's on FM5 and those HLC's required downloading users paint jobs. Example, Cyber Evo, Gobstopper, Alfa-Lyfe etc etc.

It's just how we roll mate
:P

Sloskimo
13-07-2015, 09:54
Thats an insanely quick time, I'm on Xbox and a good 1.5 seconds slower, just can't see where that time could be :confused:

Well if you used the base setup posted, increasing the rear sway bar worked for me, makes the car creep into corners better, especially long ones, instead of understeering out of them. But hmmm I have trouble making a 1:22 on PC, so yeah, not sure I am qualified to say anything hehe.

Sloskimo
13-07-2015, 09:55
In PCARS It started with HLC #1. We wanted a livery for the Evo X that could be considered a Time Attack style livery. Ever since then the HLC's have followed suit. However, we have run HLC's on FM5 and those HLC's required downloading users paint jobs. Example, Cyber Evo, Gobstopper, Alfa-Lyfe etc etc.

It's just how we roll mate
:P

Fair enough :)

ToOSk3tChY
13-07-2015, 10:01
After a wet:very_drunk: weekend my new best time 1.20.368
-guess I left a few cones standing :cool

Great time mikadri!

I struggled to beat my own time this weekend, sadly.

ToOSk3tChY
13-07-2015, 10:04
LB Updated

iKasbian
13-07-2015, 10:11
Well if you used the base setup posted, increasing the rear sway bar worked for me, makes the car creep into corners better, especially long ones, instead of understeering out of them. But hmmm I have trouble making a 1:22 on PC, so yeah, not sure I am qualified to say anything hehe.




I'd now like to see a low 1:21 being done on the Xbox preferably with controller. Me and roadrunner have pushed this to the limits with many different tunes. Could understand how .4 - .5 is possible but another second ontop of that!!!? :ambivalence:

ToOSk3tChY
13-07-2015, 10:17
I can't even see how to get into the bloody 21's to begin with!

Oh my days! :bi_polo: :frown-new: :dejection: :chargrined: :mad: :dread:

Sloskimo
13-07-2015, 10:18
I'd now like to see a low 1:21 being done on the Xbox preferably with controller. Me and roadrunner have pushed this to the limits with many different tunes. Could understand how .4 - .5 is possible but another second ontop of that!!!? :ambivalence:

You probably have a point, I'm not really fast and can do a 1:22 on PC, and there's more time to be had, can probably do a 1:20 high if I stopped drinking and ran more than 4-5 laps. I tend to be anywhere from 2-4 secs off the pace from really fast guys usually, so... Reckon there really is a difference between xbone and PC.

iKasbian
13-07-2015, 10:25
You probably have a point, I'm not really fast and can do a 1:22 on PC, and there's more time to be had, can probably do a 1:20 high if I stopped drinking and ran more than 4-5 laps. I tend to be anywhere from 2-4 secs off the pace from really fast guys usually, so... Reckon there really is a difference between xbone and PC.



I was decent quick on Fm4, along with ROadRunner we once held #1 & 2 over at forzastats (300-400 unassisted times between us), that being said I don't really know where we stack up on Pcars so we need someone like Emw Simmo to run this, someone who's actually got top times on Xbox, preferably with controller.



Edit

Should add I'm really enjoying this Timetrial, its frustrating but pleasing when you lay down all your nr best corners.

Tuning is WEIRD, I was using a tune that I did OK with and RR comes along with a tune thats settings were COMPLETELY different and yet I could get very similar times using it :confused:

ToOSk3tChY
13-07-2015, 10:41
It is weird. I changed and can do similar but not beat my time. I think I'm gonna have to go back to base and tweak again. Maybe my driving style is different? It wouldn't surprise me since I use bumper view like

Sloskimo
13-07-2015, 10:46
It is weird. I changed and can do similar but not beat my time. I think I'm gonna have to go back to base and tweak again. Maybe my driving style is different? It wouldn't surprise me since I use bumper view like

Well it's a track where you can beat your time with a decently good run even with a crap setup, compared to an average run with a good setup, I'm more consistent on Nordschleife than on this track, even though it's like 8 times longer or something. Hard to really know when a setup is good.

mikadri
13-07-2015, 17:11
If it can be of any help for some of you,and perhaps makes the competition closer,Ive
postet my set up here:http://projectcarssetups.eu/#/viewsetup/219867306
Hope it help a little :)

iKasbian
13-07-2015, 17:27
If it can be of any help for some of you,and perhaps makes the competition closer,Ive
postet my set up here:http://projectcarssetups.eu/#/viewsetup/219867306
Hope it help a little :)

Surely I've not been using the wrong tyres from the start!??

mikadri
13-07-2015, 19:00
1.20.226
-have recorded replay
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/Project%20CARS_20150713210051.jpg (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/mikadri/media/Project%20CARS_20150713210051.jpg.html)

ToOSk3tChY
13-07-2015, 19:35
New rule:- can everyone SLOW DOWN! :dejection: lol

Seriously though that's a super quick time. Nearly top ten mikadri!

mikadri
13-07-2015, 19:56
New rule:- can everyone SLOW DOWN! :dejection: lol

Seriously though that's a super quick time. Nearly top ten mikadri!

Lol,yea but top ten wont happend

EMW Simmo
14-07-2015, 21:20
I was decent quick on Fm4, along with ROadRunner we once held #1 & 2 over at forzastats (300-400 unassisted times between us), that being said I don't really know where we stack up on Pcars so we need someone like Emw Simmo to run this, someone who's actually got top times on Xbox, preferably with controller.



Edit

Should add I'm really enjoying this Timetrial, its frustrating but pleasing when you lay down all your nr best corners.

Tuning is WEIRD, I was using a tune that I did OK with and RR comes along with a tune thats settings were COMPLETELY different and yet I could get very similar times using it :confused:

Ok i started running the timetrial, lets just say this car and track combo is a little bit hard with a pad lol:*...
So started stock and was getting low 23s lol, put the usual tune on, aero/gears/camber etc managed a mid 21, n thats when i hit the wall...
So started trying a few weird things and fine tweeking and bam low 20s, even a 19.9 apart from a cm too much grass :(...
Time is there its just a beast to get the power down hint ;) So back on tomoz, if i get a 19 i will put the tune up...

mikadri
15-07-2015, 06:39
Time is there its just a beast to get the power down hint ;)

ahaa power down,-the wastegate pressure....?)

No,wasnt that...

iKasbian
15-07-2015, 09:01
Well, clearly we're doing 'something' wrong :confusion:

EMW Simmo
15-07-2015, 21:54
Well, clearly we're doing 'something' wrong :confusion:

Ok managed a 1m19.954, running abs n tcs, did run a few low 20s without tcs 1m20.5xx so can be done, i just got fed up on certain parts of the track getting span out everytime.
Im using a pad so its a bit tricky at best on Cadwell lol.
I will get my tune up asap, if not here on the tune database, plus my lap, i will keep running til the end.

iKasbian
16-07-2015, 08:26
Ok managed a 1m19.954, running abs n tcs, did run a few low 20s without tcs 1m20.5xx so can be done, i just got fed up on certain parts of the track getting span out everytime.
Im using a pad so its a bit tricky at best on Cadwell lol.
I will get my tune up asap, if not here on the tune database, plus my lap, i will keep running til the end.


Nice one, really looking forward to using your tune, you must have some cute suspension settings to get the power down, without TCS I'm right on the edge with a 1:21'5. Won't be turning on any assists personally (haven't done since early FM3 days) but still hope to get within a second of your time (got another week as then off on a well needed holiday).

Cheers

ToOSk3tChY
16-07-2015, 09:26
2 NEW SETUPS ADDED IN OP

ToOSk3tChY
16-07-2015, 11:30
The new default base setup is a hybrid of Mikadri', Roadrunners, and Some Damper settings taken from a thread I started over at the car setup garage

VarmintKong
16-07-2015, 12:35
Thanks for sharing setups guys. I've been needing a nudge in the right direction. After reading TooSketchy's Doug says thread, I see that I made a pretty boneheaded move right off the bat. I tried to adjust the fast dampers to keep me from launching of the big bump before the esses and then figured I would tweak from there. As I tightened things up I ended up with a car that handled poorly and didn't launch over the bump. Heck I can keep from launching with throttle control. Was going back to the drawing board and nice to have a frame of reference from fast guys. Currently sitting in the high 1:24's. With my weekend starting today I'm hoping to whittle that away, but alas our house has way too many kids in it during summer so I might lose out to Paw Patrol today.

iKasbian
16-07-2015, 12:54
Thanks for sharing setups guys. I've been needing a nudge in the right direction. After reading TooSketchy's Doug says thread, I see that I made a pretty boneheaded move right off the bat. I tried to adjust the fast dampers to keep me from launching of the big bump before the esses and then figured I would tweak from there. As I tightened things up I ended up with a car that handled poorly and didn't launch over the bump. Heck I can keep from launching with throttle control. Was going back to the drawing board and nice to have a frame of reference from fast guys. Currently sitting in the high 1:24's. With my weekend starting today I'm hoping to whittle that away, but alas our house has way too many kids in it during summer so I might lose out to Paw Patrol today.



Keep at it mate, more tunes should make things easier!

You have my full empathy, my 1 and 3 yrd old are costing me at least 1.8 seconds ;)

ToOSk3tChY
16-07-2015, 13:29
Here's a peak at EMW Simmo's 1.19.954


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP6qPhzIxj4

mikadri
16-07-2015, 15:27
Here's a peak at EMW Simmo's 1.19.954

Nice run :)

ToOSk3tChY
16-07-2015, 15:49
Thanks for sharing setups guys. I've been needing a nudge in the right direction. After reading TooSketchy's Doug says thread, I see that I made a pretty boneheaded move right off the bat. I tried to adjust the fast dampers to keep me from launching of the big bump before the esses and then figured I would tweak from there. As I tightened things up I ended up with a car that handled poorly and didn't launch over the bump. Heck I can keep from launching with throttle control. Was going back to the drawing board and nice to have a frame of reference from fast guys. Currently sitting in the high 1:24's. With my weekend starting today I'm hoping to whittle that away, but alas our house has way too many kids in it during summer so I might lose out to Paw Patrol today.

The theme tune is truly awesome. I have it on when I'm TT'ing

mikadri
16-07-2015, 20:15
New update,1.19.782
Changed brake and diff a little :),replay recorded
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/Project%20CARS_20150716221322.jpg (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/mikadri/media/Project%20CARS_20150716221322.jpg.html)

FA RACING 01
16-07-2015, 20:40
New update,1.19.782
Changed brake and diff a little :),replay recorded
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/Project%20CARS_20150716221322.jpg (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/mikadri/media/Project%20CARS_20150716221322.jpg.html)

Now I really really hate ya. :D Brilliant !

mikadri
16-07-2015, 20:58
Now I really really hate ya. :D Brilliant !

I can live with that :cool:
I would rather know the distance you have from your wheel to tv?-thinking of getting a bigger (tv) my self...

FA RACING 01
16-07-2015, 21:28
I can live with that :cool:
I would rather know the distance you have from your wheel to tv?-thinking of getting a bigger (tv) my self...

Exact distance from wheel to TV - 1.14 meter. TV screen from top left corner to bottom right corner = 94 cm. To match your time I will need a 10 meter bigscreen. :D

ToOSk3tChY
16-07-2015, 21:35
Another awesome time mikadri! Did you use you tune? Short gears still?

ToOSk3tChY
16-07-2015, 21:37
Distance from my steering wheel to the tele is about 30ft away... it's in the car outside.

mikadri
16-07-2015, 21:38
Another awesome time mikadri! Did you use you tune? Short gears still?
Still short gear yes.Ill update the setup now..
UPDATED
Ive stoled a little from EMW Simmos setup:rolleyes:

iKasbian
16-07-2015, 23:37
Long way off the top times but did something mighty impressive (surely), did 3 consecutive laps within 1000th - 1:21'307 - 1:21'306 - 1:21'305 .... have never done that before and doubt I'll ever do it again. :cool:

Joni Varis
17-07-2015, 06:38
I wish in future there will be some events where driving aids arent allowed/separate ranks for no aids/aids users, or atleast limit the aids to those that real car has ( like in this case none )

I havent done single lap with the combo since saw the first vids with aids on. Its no contest on track like this which has many hard brakings/slow corners.

iKasbian
17-07-2015, 08:08
I did a few laps with ABS and TCS turned on, dirtied the lap first so it wouldn't count, was certainly quicker. That being said anything in the 19's is mighty quick, aids or not.


I'm sure theres plenty on here who would give up their 'aids' for your hardware, Joni...

ToOSk3tChY
17-07-2015, 08:43
Still short gear yes.Ill update the setup now..
UPDATED
Ive stoled a little from EMW Simmos setup:rolleyes:

Try out the dampers on my own hybrid shared setup. You may need to make sure spring balance is slightly more front bias if you do

mikadri
17-07-2015, 08:51
Try out the dampers on my own hybrid shared setup. You may need to make sure spring balance is slightly more front bias if you do

Yea,those dampers.Simmos damper setting was way too much oversteering for me,but Ill give your "hybrid" a try.
Heres my new weapon though http://monitors.reviewed.com/content/asus-mx279h-27-inch-monitor-review
I expect to get it in a few days :rolleyes:

EMW Simmo
17-07-2015, 09:46
I did a few laps with ABS and TCS turned on, dirtied the lap first so it wouldn't count, was certainly quicker. That being said anything in the 19's is mighty quick, aids or not.


I'm sure theres plenty on here who would give up their 'aids' for your hardware, Joni...

Id love to turn off all assists, but its just not possible when using a pad/console n tv on Pcars lol...maybe oneday i will have a wheel/rig but up until now this is the first game that probably deserves one.
Saying that i ran a 1m20.5 only abs but it was a 1/100 with this combo car n track :(...just far too sketchy on pad/no assists and as ikasabian says just way too inconsistant, 21,23,22,spin out,spin out,20 wow wheres that from, just goes on.
Imagine a 20 lap + race around there id prob get lapped..
I think if P cars keeps improving n fix all the glitches im gonna purchase a wheel :)

EMW Simmo
17-07-2015, 10:01
New update,1.19.782
Changed brake and diff a little :),replay recorded
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/Project%20CARS_20150716221322.jpg (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/mikadri/media/Project%20CARS_20150716221322.jpg.html)

Great lap!!!! Do you use auto or manual clutch with shifter, cus i know alot of cars are faster manual, which is imposs on pad ...
Yeah i like my cars to dance lol, loose is fast as they say.

mikadri
17-07-2015, 10:10
I think if P cars keeps improving n fix all the glitches im gonna purchase a wheel :)

You should definitely get a wheel allready.
The game is not perfect no,but still the best racing experience youve (me) ever had.Perhaps Im lucky.
I got my T300RS brand new for this game,allways used default FFB settings,and never had any really bad
experiences/bugs as someone ells have rapported about.
Just my thoughts.

edit for Simmo
I use manual with auto clutch.

Joni Varis
17-07-2015, 10:12
With this car/track using autoclutch is much faster even with wheel, simply because it also enables autoblip at downshifts = you can just slam down the gears down like with modern race cars ( & use left foot braking with wheel/pedals). When using manual clutch & gears you need to actually heel & toe at downshifts to revmatch or you spin out.

Autoclutch has its negatives = it makes upshifts slower. But that only makes difference on tracks that has long straights.

ToOSk3tChY
17-07-2015, 11:40
this combo car n track :(...just far too sketchy

:confused:

EMW Simmo
17-07-2015, 12:45
:confused:

:hurt:lo;)

FA RACING 01
18-07-2015, 09:02
Latest time on Cadwell - 1:21.384. ToOsk3t. I need a new bumper again. :D

iKasbian
18-07-2015, 09:06
Latest time on Cadwell - 1:21.384. ToOsk3t. I need a new bumper again. :D



Yea, me too, need the one sketch is using, he's clearly got a dozen extra layers of paint on his!

ToOSk3tChY
18-07-2015, 10:29
Nice. 3 of the top 4 on 21.3 now. That's awesome. I don't think I can reach Simmo's time

ToOSk3tChY
18-07-2015, 10:31
It was a slightly adjusted tune. New gears helped, I think. They're diff to any I've seen

-UT-
18-07-2015, 11:53
New time set.
212352

FA RACING 01
18-07-2015, 12:41
Found my new bumper. :D New time is 1:21.218.

mikadri
18-07-2015, 14:03
Got my new monitor :D 1.19.632
Was with Simmos gear -1,(final gear 4.44)
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/Project%20CARS_20150718150856.jpg (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/mikadri/media/Project%20CARS_20150718150856.jpg.html)

Sloskimo
18-07-2015, 14:45
I just gave up and started doing other stuff :) My violets are growing nicely...

-UT-
18-07-2015, 15:46
Gave it another try, used mikadri's setup worked great, this bmw/cadwell combination is intense!!
212359

FA RACING 01
18-07-2015, 15:48
Last update for the day - 1:20.937. Thanks

mikadri
18-07-2015, 16:22
Gave it another try, used mikadri's setup worked great, this bmw/cadwell combination is intense!!
212359
Good job :) Was it with the medium gear?(4.44?)

ToOSk3tChY
18-07-2015, 17:00
Got my new monitor :D 1.19.632
Was with Simmos gear -1,(final gear 4.44)
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/Project%20CARS_20150718150856.jpg (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/mikadri/media/Project%20CARS_20150718150856.jpg.html)

Yep 4.44 is what I switched to last night. Can't believe you're still going quicker

mikadri
18-07-2015, 17:25
Well,cant say there was any more than max 3 cones left in my last run...:cool:

FA RACING 01
19-07-2015, 15:41
Hi ToOSk3. Think I'm done with this challege. My TX wheel just went bezerk when I started PCars for about 40 seconds and then completely died. No way I could stop the vicious left and right rotation and when it died, it stayed died. Think I'm done with this, sadly. Not sure if I should cry or just drink. Need a big whisky now. CHEERS (and big thanks for your TT's. Really enjoyed the last one.

ToOSk3tChY
19-07-2015, 17:49
No worries man, we'll probably still be doing something by the time it's fixed.

You could try controller but I imagine it would give you the same feeling I get when I try and play FM5 after PCARS lol

FA RACING 01
20-07-2015, 06:32
No worries man, we'll probably still be doing something by the time it's fixed.

You could try controller but I imagine it would give you the same feeling I get when I try and play FM5 after PCARS lol

Yeah, something like FM5 I suppose. To many buttons on the controller to get used to again :D Will try fixing wheel last time tonight with advice from nissan4ever. If not fix, will order new one, problem is I'm gonna wait at least 2 months. Shipment is quick, problem is our Customs is not.

ToOSk3tChY
28-07-2015, 13:37
Has anyone else set a time here? I'm hoping to improve on my time tonight

VarmintKong
30-07-2015, 23:49
Hello all,
I knew I couldn't compete with you guys, so my goal for the challenge was to break 1:23.5. I've managed a 1:19 and 36 tenths... alright don't try to church it up Varmint just call it 1:22.6. Still almost a second faster than I thought I'd get. I felt like I finally had a solid tune, but was stuck on 1:23's for the longest time. I started messing with the gearing and that's what helped. I remembered in Forza the Iroc-z would run really well with a 3 gear setup, so I decided to eliminate 5th gear because I was barely getting into it on the long sections.
I ended up with:
FD- 4.44
1- 2.56
2-1.61
3-1.26
4-1.00
5-.96

This allowed me to run 3rd gear in the quick corners, I wound out forth and it ended up being peak h.p. at the end of the long straight, and then I can drop to 2nd on the slow corners and use it to power out. After making the switch I only had to put in about ten laps before I gained over 1/2 a second. I know I could get down in the 1:21's with a little more time, but I'm out for this challenge because I'm heading out early on a fishing trip tomorrow. I know there's only a day left in the challenge and you all have your setups down pat, but was wondering if someone would try my gearing and give me some feedback.

Thanks TooSketchy and Kasabiam for an awesome challenge! I will definitely be participating in the next one when I get back in a couple weeks. Awesome times guys, I'm just happy when I can still see your ghosts heading into the final corner.

Til the next one,
VarmintKong

ToOSk3tChY
31-07-2015, 20:05
This is the last stretch. Can anyone take else challenge the leaderboard?

Lanius1984
31-07-2015, 20:50
Sorry I'm late the the party... I finally got to have a decent run at this tonight. Pretty fun car actually, once I'd got over the early frustrations.
1:20.805

One thing I have to say though, I disagree with the split leaderboards. It fragments a small group and doesn't give much incentive for the smaller groups like PS4. I started out on PS4, and migrated to the PC to use my Logitech wheel a few weeks ago. I do not believe any platform is different (except for the patch release schedule...)

http://i.imgur.com/TSIYLcG.jpg

ToOSk3tChY
31-07-2015, 21:06
The cross platform discussion and my opinion is ever developing. It seems that the slower cars(road) seem to prosper on PC but higher classes dont seem to differ too much.

Im always searching for the best way to manage these HLC's. God its been complicated though

Nice time mate!

ToOSk3tChY
31-07-2015, 23:22
Well thats a wrap for this HLC. I couldn't catch Simmo but I did manage a 20.5 and I'm happy with that. Well done everyone who participated and thank you for taking the time to take part.

Special congrats to EMW Simmo, Joni Varis, and Mikadri. Very well done and great job.

Until next time...

mikadri
01-08-2015, 06:47
Thanks ToO,and thanks to you too for running the show :yes:

iKasbian
01-08-2015, 17:10
Well thats a wrap for this HLC. I couldn't catch Simmo but I did manage a 20.5 and I'm happy with that. Well done everyone who participated and thank you for taking the time to take part.

Special congrats to EMW Simmo, Joni Varis, and Mikadri. Very well done and great job.

Until next time...


Nice one mate

Can't believe I've been bumped down to 3rd! The shame :p ;)


Look forward to the next one!

EMW Simmo
02-08-2015, 20:13
great HLC sketchy, really enjoyed it, a different challenge....
Also great to see everyone helping n working together cheers :)