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SpaceMachine
27-07-2015, 10:56
Just wondering if there are any details about work-in-progress here. I took delivery of the limited edition on day one and have experienced frustrations with pretty much every single session since. I desperately want to like Project Cars as it attempts to implement all the things I have ever wanted in a racing title, but I can't help but become more and more disillusioned each time I fire it up and discover another issue. I know I am not alone on this...

C6ckneyGeezer
27-07-2015, 19:35
2.5 is out on PC, from what I have read I think consoles will skip 2.5 and go straight to 3.0.

Tbh since 2.0 the game has improved alot. Still loads of things to be fixed though.

I have no clue when the next patch is but im sure it wont be long...

VBR
27-07-2015, 20:56
Just wondering if there are any details about work-in-progress here. I took delivery of the limited edition on day one and have experienced frustrations with pretty much every single session since. I desperately want to like Project Cars as it attempts to implement all the things I have ever wanted in a racing title, but I can't help but become more and more disillusioned each time I fire it up and discover another issue. I know I am not alone on this...

I feel your pain bro! I've had more than my fair share of bugs, especially trying to use my Fanatec GT2 & G25 pedals combo. However, tonight I had an utterly fantastic time driving cars in Practice Mode & doing a few races in Quick Race mode. Driving the BMW M3 GT car on Brands Hatch was simply sublime, & the car sounds are freaking awesome!

Hang on in there, SMS are a great team & are working hard on fixing the issues, this game will just continue get more refined over time.

ImStylinOnYaBro
27-07-2015, 21:09
yeah, since 2.0 i think its much improved. the only real complaint i have is its very annoying that you still go into online sessions and they are locked and you have to keep backing out and rejoining.

MLT24
27-07-2015, 22:43
That's weird because most of 2.0 did nothing. Most problems were not fixed and online filtering did not change one bit. I'm hoping 3.0 does what 2.0 shud have and more. If they don't deliver on 3.0 soon and it actually does what they say it will, then words like EA will start creeping in.

sbtm
27-07-2015, 22:54
That's weird because most of 2.0 did nothing. Most problems were not fixed and online filtering did not change one bit. I'm hoping 3.0 does what 2.0 shud have and more. If they don't deliver on 3.0 soon and it actually does what they say it will, then words like EA will start creeping in.

I just think that some problems and bugs need a further investigation and deeper digging before it can be fixed so should they hold back every other bug fix that can be done faster and easier? Just because a bug is not fixed in the current patch doesn't mean they are not working on it.
Learn to be more patient and keep in mind that the people at SMS are human beings with a family (hopefully) and friends and free time after work (again, hopefully) and not just robots... hopefully

jason
27-07-2015, 23:18
I am looking forward to the next patch and I'm sure we all hope it fixes a multitude of issues that still exist . Some stability fixes and obvious bug fixes that get mentioned a lot ............... Would really love to see the flag rules working in some form as they really don't have any purpose in there current state :(

I do hope it improves on the previous quality of the last patches .

Good luck SMS bring home that stonker patch you mentioned.

Gravit8
28-07-2015, 00:12
Agreed. You guys could really use a stonker? Or hit a home run with the next one? But don't strike out.

MLT24
28-07-2015, 00:22
I just think that some problems and bugs need a further investigation and deeper digging before it can be fixed so should they hold back every other bug fix that can be done faster and easier? Just because a bug is not fixed in the current patch doesn't mean they are not working on it.
Learn to be more patient and keep in mind that the people at SMS are human beings with a family (hopefully) and friends and free time after work (again, hopefully) and not just robots... hopefully
I understand your point but they only released 60% of a full game that we payed full price for. Features like friends times, proper lobby system and many more things shud have been in release. 2 patches later and hardly no improvements and nothing added except charging us $$ for dlc.Patience is gone. Sms needs to come clean about what they plan to do and do it. Game as is and fixing the bugs is not enough, way short of what they advertised.

Raikku
28-07-2015, 00:59
Hopefully they still can do something for graphics at this point. Filtering is still so bad, especially white lines which are so bad when driving. Also filtering border in guardrails which
goes forward close ahead of you is very annoying. I admit that when you use controller and sit 3-4m from tv-screen it's not so bad, but when you drive with wheel and sit in driving seat
which is, in my case, ~1.2m from 50" screen those graphical shortcomings are so visible.

Fanatest
28-07-2015, 12:12
Hopefully they still can do something for graphics at this point. Filtering is still so bad, especially white lines which are so bad when driving. Also filtering border in guardrails which
goes forward close ahead of you is very annoying. I admit that when you use controller and sit 3-4m from tv-screen it's not so bad, but when you drive with wheel and sit in driving seat
which is, in my case, ~1.2m from 50" screen those graphical shortcomings are so visible.

Very true!

The Xbox version looks worse now, in many respects, than it did at launch, the dynamic rear view mirror, pop up, mirror black outs etc do look a incredibly dated/poor.

The ps4 version has low texture resolution / texture filtering and/or AF I'd like to see this increased in patch 3.0 and reflections fixed.

I'd like to see SMS run the game absolutely maxed out (graphically) when hot lapping (as it doesn't stress the game) and ONLY apply any lower quality solutions when grid = 16+ or so.

The PS4 runs incredibly well (but currently feels strange due to FFB) and could be increased graphically (in time trial) with out much issue.

Additionally, I would even accept artistic choice on some tracks that suffer from bad aliasing.
For example, when driving at SPA the amount of aliasing on fences all around the track is shocking! Not only is it distracting, it's ugly, annoying and very dated looking.

Personally, I'd accept it if SMS removed the fences entirely and replaced them with textures that dont have this side effect (such as Armco / Signs etc) while not 100% accurate, it doesn't matter, as the track isn't 100% accurate anyway (only 4 are actually laser scanned) so if the developers removed items that cause aliasing (fences/posts etc) and replaced them other textures, I'd be very happy/satisfied with that solution as it would definitely make the game "look" better overall and in reality, it's only a very minor "trackside accuracy" trade off.

ChrisK
28-07-2015, 13:16
You hopeful souls. here's my prediction...the major gameplay bugs won't ever be resolved. I'm just learning to live with it and switch the game off when it gets too frustrating. The list of bugs affecting gameplay, (don't care about visual bugs like not enough orange in a flame or pit crews wearing the wrong colour shoes), just keeps getting bigger, not smaller.

Before any of the suckholes, sycophants and fanboys start up. I'm not trolling here or trying to start anything, that's just my honest opinion based on the game I've played on day 1 and the game I'm playing today after major patches have been implemented. Apart from the wheel issues in the beta release, what bugs have really been addressed to completion ? Random pit penalties still there, bizarre track limit rules, flags are still meaningless, pit stops still have major bugs, setting reset randomly, lobby stability still average, unable to join session bug still there, stuck in bumper cam even worse than before, random livery still being applied unless you go into garage and change it before every session.

Like it or not, I think people are just going to have to get used to the reality and take solace in the fact that when the game does work, it's epic.

Umer Ahmad
28-07-2015, 13:28
"Before any of the suckholes, sycophants and fanboys start up. I'm not trolling here..."

^EPIC FAIL

Can we just avoid labels and insults please?

jpl8910
28-07-2015, 13:30
You hopeful souls. here's my prediction...the major gameplay bugs won't ever be resolved. I'm just learning to live with it and switch the game off when it gets too frustrating. The list of bugs affecting gameplay, (don't care about visual bugs like not enough orange in a flame or pit crews wearing the wrong colour shoes), just keeps getting bigger, not smaller.

Before any of the suckholes, sycophants and fanboys start up. I'm not trolling here or trying to start anything, that's just my honest opinion based on the game I've played on day 1 and the game I'm playing today after major patches have been implemented. Apart from the wheel issues in the beta release, what bugs have really been addressed to completion ? Random pit penalties still there, bizarre track limit rules, flags are still meaningless, pit stops still have major bugs, setting reset randomly, lobby stability still average, unable to join session bug still there, stuck in bumper cam even worse than before, random livery still being applied unless you go into garage and change it before every session.

Like it or not, I think people are just going to have to get used to the reality and take solace in the fact that when the game does work, it's epic.

it's sad but you're absolutely right, the game has many bugs, and I think there is no solution, I'm not buying pcrs2 am very disillusioned with the current state of the game ..

ChrisK
28-07-2015, 13:41
"Before any of the suckholes, sycophants and fanboys start up. I'm not trolling here..."

^EPIC FAIL

Can we just avoid labels and insults please?

So that's what you took out of my post ? Really ? Wow. lol

Umer Ahmad
28-07-2015, 13:42
Well i totally disagree with the rest of your prediction, but let's leave that for another time. lol

ChrisK
28-07-2015, 13:47
Well i totally disagree with the rest of your prediction, but let's leave that for another time. lol

Based on the eloquence and deep understanding demonstrated by your first reply... I wait with eager anticipation at what pearls of wisdom you will grace us with next. lol

For the record I hope I'm proven wrong and you are 100% right. I just happen to think I have more chance landing a starring role in a Beyoncé vs Rihanna dominatrix porn flick.

Roger Prynne
28-07-2015, 13:49
So that's what you took out of my post ? Really ? Wow. lol

That's one of the jobs us Mods have to do.... curtail this sort of thing.

John Hargreaves
28-07-2015, 13:53
I‘ve never really understood; is it fanboi or fanboy? Is there a difference and does it matter?

ChrisK
28-07-2015, 14:03
That's one of the jobs us Mods have to do.... curtail this sort of thing.

Just delete the line if it's so offensive.
Funny old world this...storm in a teacup doesn't cut it...it's a freakin tornado in a thimble. lol

Ian Bell
28-07-2015, 14:03
Could a fanboi be a girl?

Roger Prynne
28-07-2015, 14:12
Fanboi

Informal: Often Disparaging.
An obsessive male fan, especially of something technological or from popular culture:

or

Fanboy

A person obsessed with an element of video or electronic culture, such as a game, sci-fi movie, comic or anime´, music, etc; a person obsessed with a single subject or hobby.

Seps1974
28-07-2015, 14:15
I‘ve never really understood; is it fanboi or fanboy? Is there a difference and does it matter?

In Portugal makes a huge difference :p

boy
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR21v8pik5zo6jMxzXaFqETVbrc5OdY8LQFTHE4JfwU_d19Uh8iaw

boi
http://www.baixaki.com.br/imagens/wpapers/BXK13646_boi-de-carro800.jpg

amazed
28-07-2015, 14:16
Definitely Boi then!

Roger Prynne
28-07-2015, 14:17
So a fancow in your language ;)

Seps1974
28-07-2015, 14:18
So a fancow in your language ;)

LOL! Exactly

SpaceMachine
28-07-2015, 17:38
Seems this thread has wandered off-topic somewhat...

sbtm
28-07-2015, 19:37
Seems this thread has wandered off-topic somewhat...

Still better than original topic

MrFlibble81
28-07-2015, 19:43
213689

Pretty much sums up this thread now....

SpaceMachine
28-07-2015, 20:46
I guess you're right. When the studio head joins in with the off-topic and conveniently ignores the actual point of the thread, I guess there's no hope.

SpaceMachine
28-07-2015, 21:00
Still better than original topic

Die in a house fire.

MrFlibble81
28-07-2015, 21:05
Die in a house fire.

Just because he didn't acknowledge it, doesn't mean he's not aware of any issues with the game.

No need to be a douch.

SpaceMachine
28-07-2015, 21:10
No need to be a douch.

That's a bit rich coming from you.

MrFlibble81
28-07-2015, 21:13
And what exactly did I do? Other than post a picture which made me laugh and sums up the thread?

bjosim
28-07-2015, 21:49
Anyways, a word from the boss or someone else would be welcome. I'm willing to wait for whatever time it takes as I don't really have any issues ATM, but still, I'm curious to know what improvements and fixes there will be. They'll probably want to shy away from making any guesstimates regarding release date unless they have submitted it to Sony/Microsoft for QA, but maybe someone know if there are lots to do still, or if they are in any final stage etc...?

Fight-Test
28-07-2015, 21:53
Die in a house fire.

No need to be a douch.

Any better coming from me?

Gravit8
28-07-2015, 22:12
Seems this thread has wandered off-topic somewhat...

That happens when SMS want to bury a thread or things that were said on page 1-2-3.
Some spam is permissible depending on who drops it. I would agree this is a bit like thread jacking. Mr bell himself looks to have opened this one to jokesters.

jason
28-07-2015, 22:44
You hopeful souls. here's my prediction...the major gameplay bugs won't ever be resolved. I'm just learning to live with it and switch the game off when it gets too frustrating. The list of bugs affecting gameplay, (don't care about visual bugs like not enough orange in a flame or pit crews wearing the wrong colour shoes), just keeps getting bigger, not smaller.

Before any of the suckholes, sycophants and fanboys start up. I'm not trolling here or trying to start anything, that's just my honest opinion based on the game I've played on day 1 and the game I'm playing today after major patches have been implemented. Apart from the wheel issues in the beta release, what bugs have really been addressed to completion ? Random pit penalties still there, bizarre track limit rules, flags are still meaningless, pit stops still have major bugs, setting reset randomly, lobby stability still average, unable to join session bug still there, stuck in bumper cam even worse than before, random livery still being applied unless you go into garage and change it before every session.

Like it or not, I think people are just going to have to get used to the reality and take solace in the fact that when the game does work, it's epic.

This statement has some worrying facts that are all valid at the moment.
I'm a Day 1 player also , I guess I would be more ignorant to the facts if I started yesterday.

bmanic
28-07-2015, 23:23
You hopeful souls. here's my prediction...the major gameplay bugs won't ever be resolved. I'm just learning to live with it and switch the game off when it gets too frustrating. The list of bugs affecting gameplay, (don't care about visual bugs like not enough orange in a flame or pit crews wearing the wrong colour shoes), just keeps getting bigger, not smaller.

Before any of the suckholes, sycophants and fanboys start up. I'm not trolling here or trying to start anything, that's just my honest opinion based on the game I've played on day 1 and the game I'm playing today after major patches have been implemented. Apart from the wheel issues in the beta release, what bugs have really been addressed to completion ? Random pit penalties still there, bizarre track limit rules, flags are still meaningless, pit stops still have major bugs, setting reset randomly, lobby stability still average, unable to join session bug still there, stuck in bumper cam even worse than before, random livery still being applied unless you go into garage and change it before every session.

Like it or not, I think people are just going to have to get used to the reality and take solace in the fact that when the game does work, it's epic.

Probably platform specific. It's unfortunate that PS4 is that buggy (if what you say is true).. however, as contrast: I'm one of the lucky ones who has suffered from very little completely game crippling bugs (even the FFB bug after 1.4 and 2.0 patches could be remedied or at least it had a work around.. and now in 2.5 it's all good again). I've had the game crash on me only a few times over the past year (and this includes the beta testing / alpha testing stage). However I do still feel like the product/game doesn't quite feel "polished". There are so many small niggling inconsistencies, sound bugs (like the way too loud Ginetta GT3 car), awful texts describing completely ambiguous parameters, and very non-robust feeling car setup/save/player profile system.

So yeah, the game definitely has issues but at least for me it's not been bad at all. I've played games over the past 3 years that have been WAY buggier than this.. some of them never fixed. Hope patch 3.0 fixes your game so that you can enjoy it to the fullest on the PS4!

jason
28-07-2015, 23:31
Cheers Bmanic , I hope so to .

Had 3 crashes last night :( bumper cam and a pit problem. Can only get better .

this statement worries me (((((( I've played games over the past 3 years that have been WAY buggier than this.. some of them never fixed. )))))

Gravit8
28-07-2015, 23:33
Apart from the wheel issues in the beta release, what bugs have really been addressed to completion ?
2/3 of the bugs they have successfully squashed have been AI adjustment related or a tweak to the tire model. ,not so much resolving conflicting code. But, some AI problems have been fixed.

Random pit penalties still there, bizarre track limit rules, flags are still meaningless, pit stops still have major bugs, setting reset randomly, lobby stability still average, unable to join session bug still there, stuck in bumper cam even worse than before, random livery still being applied unless you go into garage and change it before every session.
^^there is also still more than a few bugs or missing features that don't even make the list. Not being able to access options, like steering calibration, in lobby's. making it so that when the car class is changed, you have no option but to leave because you can't change your wheels rotation to match the car selected. Etc

Like it or not, I think people are just going to have to get used to the reality and take solace in the fact that when the game does work, it's epic.[/QUOTE]
^^ yes

I would actually go back to trolling for lobbies if I thought I would find simple lobbies with no pits. No setups. Few changes. No damage. CLEAN RACING by gentlemens rules. People should accept what it is and play it at its base settings, and not constantly change things. but that's a serious ask isn't it? How's a pad user supposed to make that work? Wheel only rooms maybe?
But anyway. I'd love to have it sorted or a place to race where people recognize it's limits and play within them. Is pretty epic at full song. But rarely ever reaches it. I'm not a product tester getting paid and I value my time.

AdM1
28-07-2015, 23:35
I can't wait for 3.0 I believe xbox live online will see vast improvements. Come on SMS can't blame Microsoft and such yet ;).

jason
28-07-2015, 23:37
fully agree with this also .......Is pretty epic at full song. It's difficult to hate on something that you enjoy so much , just frustrating I guess.

Gravit8
28-07-2015, 23:53
fully agree with this also .......Is pretty epic at full song. It's difficult to hate on something that you enjoy so much , just frustrating I guess.

You don't have kids do you?. :)

It's pretty easy to hate on a bad consumer experience anytime though.

jason
29-07-2015, 00:34
Hehhehe I see what you are saying Gravit8 :) I do have a child :dejection:

ChrisK
29-07-2015, 02:30
^^there is also still more than a few bugs or missing features that don't even make the list. Not being able to access options, like steering calibration, in lobby's. making it so that when the car class is changed, you have no option but to leave because you can't change your wheels rotation to match the car selected. Etc


agreed. i didn't even try to comment on the question of the UI and functionality or "features" like adequate filters for lobbies etc. i was only talking about things available in current state actually working.
if we opened the list up to "how to make the game better" then that's a whole new story. but im prepared to cut them some slack for this given its their first title.

Fre.Mo
29-07-2015, 07:43
Maybe the SMS Team will go on holidays at the end of the week and this highly expected path would only street on September...

Tomcul
29-07-2015, 09:10
Tracks building in front of you as you race is a bit shit. Other than that I love the game even with all the other problems it has.. But tracks building in front of you thought that stopped with sega mega drive!

Fanatest
29-07-2015, 10:07
Yea "pop up" in this gen is ... Well ... I'm surprised it's still an issue for some developers but not others?

Im going to hold off playing for a little while and wait for the rest of the patches to come, as the bugs are becoming a little to frequent for me at the moment.

The steam user base has also dropped again by 32% to only 600 players world wide (at the time of writing) with an average of ~1000 players a month.

XBO version no longer appears in the "most played" charts (I can never find any lobby's on XBO MP) no twitch streams, very few PC users in MP and the forums are very very quiet in GTP/RD/NG etc :(

No idea what the PS4 user base is like, but I don't play that version as much due to FFB issues... so.. I'm going to enjoy my summer holiday and hopefully this will all be resolved by the time I get back :D

ISJR33
29-07-2015, 13:46
First post: so hello everyone.

Patch 3.0, if the trend continues, will address no critical game issues and will be another waste of time.

I'm not convinced about cutting the devs any slack due to their first title and all. They have had enough time to sort these things out. What is the point in Alpha & Beta testing if it's not to iron out some of the most basic flaws / faults users like us could encounter?

As an experienced gamer (read older than most) then I feel it's down right shoddy work and regardless of their funding mechanism this game should never have been released with such obvious glitches/bugs/faults whatever you want to call them.

I bought this game on day one, because it looked epic. And at first whilst my eyes were blinkered by its beauty I thought this game was brilliant, however, just like any relationship, as soon as the honeymoon period is over you notice all the stupid, annoying little things (glitches & bugs) and frankly I want a divorce.

I stopped playing the day one release and have only just picked it up after these last two updates, which I thought would help correct some of the problems, and whilst the game can now show me 1 extra fps whilst driving in the rain I still cannot:
*join an online lobby without lag and stuttering when another player joins or leaves said lobby.
*see mine and others players fastest lap times on the end results screen.
*rely upon the lap timing data available whilst driving, vs. gap to car in front or behind vs. Lap times and gaps displayed on the timing screen brought up by pressing options button.

On top of these few things there are many other annoying problems, such as the penalty glitches, the jump start glitches, the trackside cones and markers getting stuck in my car, the other graphical problems and console crashes. I even had my car sink into the track once, only to glitch out and be throw vertically up into the sky through no obvious reason. (i was driving in a straight line and not crashing at the time!)

And the start/finish line at Donington is still wrong.

People vote with their feet as commented upon just. This game will be dead very soon if they're not careful.

Shame the developer decided a photographer mode with 50 filters was more important than getting a car to go round a track without glitches and timed correctly and consistently.

Had they have done so this would have been the racing game to have and continue to play, as it is they either have no direction or no money to fix this game, which I think is unfortunate.

If you think I'm harsh then so be it but when I spend £50 I expect a game to be in a good enough state to play and enjoy without having to wait 3 or more months to play it without glitches.

I truly hope patch 3.0 addresses these problems but I remain pessimistic due to what has gone before. And that pessimism will continue and will most likely mean I won't be buying PC2!

Devs pull your finger out!

Umer Ahmad
29-07-2015, 13:52
Thanks for your opinions.

Blackvault
29-07-2015, 13:58
Angst first post

Make sure the door doesn't hit you on the way out...

Pete

Fong74
29-07-2015, 14:01
Is there any slight or vague indication when we could expect the next patch to be released? Will it be in August?

Blackvault
29-07-2015, 14:04
Is there any slight or vague indication when we could expect the next patch to be released? Will it be in August?

Patch 2.5 for PC is out. I'm assuming that will be the consoles Patch 3.0. No time frame as yet. I don't even seen any 3.0 patch notes up yet so we will all need to sit tight.

Pete

MrFlibble81
29-07-2015, 14:08
I still cannot:
*join an online lobby without lag and stuttering when another player joins or leaves said lobby.

I believe they're aware of this. It's a join in progress problem but I'm pretty sure it's being worked on for the next patch.


*see mine and others players fastest lap times on the end results screen.
*rely upon the lap timing data available whilst driving, vs. gap to car in front or behind vs. Lap times and gaps displayed on the timing screen brought up by pressing options button.

I hope they add those 2 things in. Would be cool to have.

The other graphical glitch you talk about I'm pretty sure is the "landmine" glitch which again I think is being worked on and a fix will be in the next patch.

But really, these are not major issues and they don't make the game unplayable or anything so why not just have fun with the game as it is and just see if it gets better for you.

xsomnivmx
29-07-2015, 14:13
I bought this game on day one


(....)

If you think I'm harsh then so be it but when I spend £50 I expect a game to be in a good enough state to play and enjoy without having to wait 3 or more months to play it without glitches.




Well. Here is your - and many more peoples - problem. Buying without informing themselves. It's the same with any game today. Everyone preorders and buys day one, than it has bugs and everybody is
surprised.

Why not wait a day or two? Or a week. I have waited month for Pcars, delay after delay. And when it came to stores.. i've waited a week more. See what youtubers and reviewers say. So, i knew it had some issues - but i don't care because i knew what i bought.
And to be honest, if they would say today that they are done with pcars, i wouldn't mind. I knew what i bought, i knew it wasn't perfect and i knew i still would have a lot of fun with it. Never buy something, expecting that it will chance.
I really think, this mindset is the different between those who are complaining and those who have fun with the game. And please, don't take this personal, your behavior is just the norm today, so i really do not want to offend you, just state my opinion.

MrFlibble81
29-07-2015, 14:31
Well. Here is your - and many more peoples - problem. Buying without informing themselves. It's the same with any game today. Everyone preorders and buys day one, than it has bugs and everybody is
surprised.

Why not wait a day or two? Or a week. I have waited month for Pcars, delay after delay. And when it came to stores.. i've waited a week more. See what youtubers and reviewers say. So, i knew it had some issues - but i don't care because i knew what i bought.
And to be honest, if they would say today that they are done with pcars, i wouldn't mind. I knew what i bought, i knew it wasn't perfect and i knew i still would have a lot of fun with it. Never buy something, expecting that it will chance.
I really think, this mindset is the different between those who are complaining and those who have fun with the game. And please, don't take this personal, your behavior is just the norm today, so i really do not want to offend you, just state my opinion.

This! And people need to understand that software these days is hard to program. Mistakes are going to happen, bugs are going to rear their ugly head. It can't be helped, you just have to be thankful it's not the PC version of Bat-Kart (Arkham Knight).

Titzon Toast
29-07-2015, 14:49
Well. Here is your - and many more peoples - problem. Buying without informing themselves. It's the same with any game today. Everyone preorders and buys day one, than it has bugs and everybody is
surprised.

Why not wait a day or two? Or a week. I have waited month for Pcars, delay after delay. And when it came to stores.. i've waited a week more. See what youtubers and reviewers say. So, i knew it had some issues - but i don't care because i knew what i bought.
And to be honest, if they would say today that they are done with pcars, i wouldn't mind. I knew what i bought, i knew it wasn't perfect and i knew i still would have a lot of fun with it. Never buy something, expecting that it will chance.
I really think, this mindset is the different between those who are complaining and those who have fun with the game. And please, don't take this personal, your behavior is just the norm today, so i really do not want to offend you, just state my opinion.

That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read.
So people who complain about about buying something that doesn't work for them shouldn't complain because they should have expected the product to be faulty?
Are you playing with the full deck?

Titzon Toast
29-07-2015, 14:51
This! And people need to understand that software these days is hard to program. Mistakes are going to happen, bugs are going to rear their ugly head. It can't be helped, you just have to be thankful it's not the PC version of Bat-Kart (Arkham Knight).

Yes it can be helped actually, it's called product testing.

Fong74
29-07-2015, 14:55
That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read.
So people who complain about about buying something that doesn't work for them shouldn't complain because they should have expected the product to be faulty?
Are you playing with the full deck?

Its his opinion. And I support it. You have yours. All good

I was participating (as good as I could at least) in the Beta and knew what to expect when release day came... For me its the beginning of a journey. PCars will get where we all want it to be. But it takes time. Some have it. Some don't. But there are other games on this planet you can put time and effort into meanwhile.

Mindsets vary. Respect for the other one is the bigger problem nowadays imho and not SW quality really...

ChrisK
29-07-2015, 14:57
That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read.
So people who complain about about buying something that doesn't work for them shouldn't complain because they should have expected the product to be faulty?
Are you playing with the full deck?

lol I remember prior to the first patch, some guy said I should have known what I was getting myself into when i bought a game with "project" in its title. Of course it's nonsense.

Glitches I can deal with. The little annoyances I can tolerate. Major bugs that significantly affect gameplay ?...sorry...no cigar....not even for a bloke with as attractive a cranium as mr bell.

Titzon Toast
29-07-2015, 15:41
Its his opinion. And I support it. You have yours. All good

I was participating (as good as I could at least) in the Beta and knew what to expect when release day came... For me its the beginning of a journey. PCars will get where we all want it to be. But it takes time. Some have it. Some don't. But there are other games on this planet you can put time and effort into meanwhile.

Mindsets vary. Respect for the other one is the bigger problem nowadays imho and not SW quality really...

I agree with you about the journey, I'm on it too. I absolutely love this game.
My point is though, people have a right to complain if they feel they've been hard done by.
I don't agree with folk dismissing other people with "oh you should have expected it not to work properly " etc, etc.

xsomnivmx
29-07-2015, 16:11
That has to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read.
So people who complain about about buying something that doesn't work for them shouldn't complain because they should have expected the product to be faulty?


I'm just saying, it was never easier to be an informed customer.
I don't say you should not complain if something is broken, thats ok. But on the other hand, it was never easier to know what you buy before you spend money than today and avoid stuff that does not fit your needs.

That it's sad, that today you have do accept that many things are broken or unfinished on release (not only software) is another story.




Are you playing with the full deck?


Sorry, not a native speaker... and no idea what this means. :)

Fre.Mo
29-07-2015, 17:10
Quote Originally Posted by ISJR33 View Post
I still cannot:
*join an online lobby without lag and stuttering when another player joins or leaves said lobby.

I believe they're aware of this. It's a join in progress problem but I'm pretty sure it's being worked on for the next patch.

I believe this "minor" problem can t be solved integraly since the other consoles need to load the new player's car...
I agree that it is quite disturbing when driving on a corner or when using gears.

Titzon Toast
29-07-2015, 18:24
I'm just saying, it was never easier to be an informed customer.
I don't say you should not complain if something is broken, thats ok. But on the other hand, it was never easier to know what you buy before you spend money than today and avoid stuff that does not fit your needs.

That it's sad, that today you have do accept that many things are broken or unfinished on release (not only software) is another story.





Sorry, not a native speaker... and no idea what this means. :)

Informed customer my eye, if that was the case and everyone waited for everything to be reviewed first then nothing would ever get bought!
It's apologists making up excuses that has things the way they are, especially in the gaming industry.
Anyway, that's enough ranting from me, I'm loving Project Cars these days so I'm happy.
Good luck.

AdM1
29-07-2015, 18:32
Tracks building in front of you as you race is a bit shit. Other than that I love the game even with all the other problems it has.. But tracks building in front of you thought that stopped with sega mega drive!

Yeah I'm not very fussy with game visuals generally but seeing the trees vanish in the rear mirror when they aren't out of sight yet is a bit shitty.

AdM1
29-07-2015, 18:33
Thanks for your opinions.

YW.

AdM1
29-07-2015, 18:34
Is there any slight or vague indication when we could expect the next patch to be released? Will it be in August?

Christmas ;).

MLT24
29-07-2015, 18:52
Apart from the wheel issues in the beta release, what bugs have really been addressed to completion ?
2/3 of the bugs they have successfully squashed have been AI adjustment related or a tweak to the tire model. ,not so much resolving conflicting code. But, some AI problems have been fixed.

Random pit penalties still there, bizarre track limit rules, flags are still meaningless, pit stops still have major bugs, setting reset randomly, lobby stability still average, unable to join session bug still there, stuck in bumper cam even worse than before, random livery still being applied unless you go into garage and change it before every session.
^^there is also still more than a few bugs or missing features that don't even make the list. Not being able to access options, like steering calibration, in lobby's. making it so that when the car class is changed, you have no option but to leave because you can't change your wheels rotation to match the car selected. Etc

Like it or not, I think people are just going to have to get used to the reality and take solace in the fact that when the game does work, it's epic.
^^ yes

I would actually go back to trolling for lobbies if I thought I would find simple lobbies with no pits. No setups. Few changes. No damage. CLEAN RACING by gentlemens rules. People should accept what it is and play it at its base settings, and not constantly change things. but that's a serious ask isn't it? How's a pad user supposed to make that work? Wheel only rooms maybe?
But anyway. I'd love to have it sorted or a place to race where people recognize it's limits and play within them. Is pretty epic at full song. But rarely ever reaches it. I'm not a product tester getting paid and I value my time.[/QUOTE]

FYI Gravit8, when you say here "you have no option but to leave because you can't change your wheels rotation to match the car selected."

If you leave your wheel on the largest rotation possible like 1080, the game will match your wheel rotation to the car you are driving. Pretty cool! I have thet T300rs and I use to use the mode button on the wheel to change all the time but not anymore. Love racing each car as it really is per rotation angle.

Raikku
29-07-2015, 20:55
I complained about some textures/filtering(fuzzy white lines), because there are games for PS4 and XOne where results are much better. So I don't think that I ask something
which is impossible. And those things distract you quite a much when you're driving.

jason
29-07-2015, 21:25
Someone needs to step up and let us know what the over all plan is for the game ( for the 1st pc cars not that other one) ........ We know that they are working on fixes , we know that most of the mentioned fixes in these patches don't get fixed , which I'm a little confused about. You make a massive bug fix list and half of these things may be fixed ?

3 months to have a stable game is a long time to wait after such a long development period , I'm now seeing comments from WMD memebers that they new the product wasn't completed or that bug was there 3 years ago and still hasn't been fixed.
I enjoy the game when its stable but in saying that I'm very concerned that this game is going to stay a little broken , so much potential the title has or had depends how the devs are looking at it as we put our opinions on this forum.

Things are starting to drop off as someone has said above with the steam numbers , this forum was like a ghost town yesterday , as for Xbox's online numbers I wouldn't know or for PS4 as I only play with a dedicated bunch of guys.
I also think the dlc was disappointing , it didn't really ramp things up for me . Ovals would have bought in more interest with the added indy cars , Missed opportunity to keep some of the hype up for the game.

Good luck with patch 3.0 SMS I'm sure some of us will stick with it for some time but some wont. You can be sure that by the time you enter the market with pcars 2 you will not be on your own in the sim console market place.

Gravit8
29-07-2015, 21:33
^^ yes

I would actually go back to trolling for lobbies if I thought I would find simple lobbies with no pits. No setups. Few changes. No damage. CLEAN RACING by gentlemens rules. People should accept what it is and play it at its base settings, and not constantly change things. but that's a serious ask isn't it? How's a pad user supposed to make that work? Wheel only rooms maybe?
But anyway. I'd love to have it sorted or a place to race where people recognize it's limits and play within them. Is pretty epic at full song. But rarely ever reaches it. I'm not a product tester getting paid and I value my time.

FYI Gravit8, when you say here "you have no option but to leave because you can't change your wheels rotation to match the car selected."

If you leave your wheel on the largest rotation possible like 1080, the game will match your wheel rotation to the car you are driving. Pretty cool! I have thet T300rs and I use to use the mode button on the wheel to change all the time but not anymore. Love racing each car as it really is per rotation angle.[/QUOTE]

No it won't, especially not with calibration. What a mess. Why wouldn't you change the lock? Nor want calibration? Probably messes up the game or whatever. Driving around with more than 270 degrees of rotation, but trying to tell where the steering stops? No thanks. Would be cool if then you just make the mode change and lt stays locked in. But since YOU CANT HAVE IT CALIBRATED? What's the point? Cute work around for SMS, but a sloppy one that likely makes things worse.

Roger Prynne
29-07-2015, 21:47
The idea is to calibrate to the maximum lock of your wheel, and then the per car steering lock, is automatically configured for each individual car as it would be IRL.

jason
29-07-2015, 21:57
The idea is to calibrate to the maximum lock of your wheel, and then the per car steering lock, is automatically configured for each individual car as it would be IRL.

Works perfectly for me t500 and the guys that I know that use t300s , if you don't like the turning performance of a particular car cant you just adjust the steering sensitivity in the car setup .. I'm sorry I cant remember the right title for it .

What's it called Roger?

Roger Prynne
29-07-2015, 22:03
Steering Ratio.

Determines how fast or slow the wheel reaches full lock.

AdM1
29-07-2015, 22:14
Steering Ratio.

Determines how fast or slow the wheel reaches full lock.

Sort of.. It increases how many degrees you get in the wheel movement adjacent to how many degrees you apply to the wheel.

A low ratio mean less lock on the steering wheel is needed to create full lock on the wheels. So yes it does make it faster but only because it shortens the amount of degrees you need to put in to achieve full lock.

jason
29-07-2015, 22:27
Thanks guys.

It may be just the ticket that the above mentioned to help alleviate his issue as he is obviously uncomfortable with the way the steering is or is just used to arcade type steering ratios.

Gravit8
29-07-2015, 23:03
Thanks guys.

It may be just the ticket that the above mentioned to help alleviate his issue as he is obviously uncomfortable with the way the steering is or is just used to arcade type steering ratios.

Nah. I want it to work like a real sim. Calibrated and all. With bump stops and all. If I'm in a 270 degree car, I want the bump stop there at 90* full lock. Not another 800 degrees of rotation for no reason. Shouldn't have to alter or adjust steering ratios per vehicle. The vehicles feel much better, not to mention consistent in their native steering mode with no ratios applied. That's why I look for a vehicle and stay with it awhile. If I bother to boot up the game at all.
Last time was just after the first patch.

ChrisK
29-07-2015, 23:17
Steering Ratio.

Determines how fast or slow the wheel reaches full lock.

There's also steering sensitivity in the calibration screen. It's where dead zones etc are.
I have that turned up to 70

Raikku
30-07-2015, 01:01
...You can be sure that by the time you enter the market with pcars 2 you will not be on your own in the sim console market place.

That's right, in example it will be very interesting to see how Assetto Corsa convert to consoles. And we don't know if maybe Reiza or Sector 3 plan something for
consoles too.

Gravit8
30-07-2015, 01:50
That's right, in example it will be very interesting to see how Assetto Corsa convert to consoles. And we don't know if maybe Reiza or Sector 3 plan something for
consoles too.

AC and everyone else should Just stick to PC builds if that's where there comfort zone is. Ports are a joke. Got enough bad ones to go around. There is obviously not a lot of motivation to rebuild games once they do it a certain way the first time.
GT7 and Forza 6 are fine for console. We don't need pretenders coming around selling rehashed garbage code that doesn't work.

jason
30-07-2015, 01:59
hahahaha Oh master race PC person above ?

your opinion is unfortunate , I see your point but as a console player I am looking forward to the likes of AC , Dirt rally and Reiza or sector 3 giving consoles a crack as its good for those studios and good for sim racing.

This is what's needs to be done to keep it thriving and the interest of sim racing rising so we continue to get improved products for the future.

My opinion.

Gravit8
30-07-2015, 02:36
hahahaha Oh master race PC person above ?

those days are over my friend.

No not really. I have a decent PC, but I don't use it much. Mostly consoles to keep it simple. Yet I know the days of PC elitism are never going to die, unless the consoles do. Which they very well could the whole porting scene/dilemma hurts consoles big time. Hurts gaming in general as it's nearly impossible to determine how games are being developed and for what particular hardware. It's dumb to ask developers to do things three different times three different ways and it clearly doesn't work half the time.

Somebody like valve or anyone smart enough to realize a modular gaming system with upgrade able parts is the future will figure it out. Then bye bye consoles. They will always try to push boxes with a ten year hardware span and that just isn't realistic anymore.
Bring on a modular upgrade able steam box and let's get rid of all these different platforms and consolidate the work developers do to one stop shopping. so they don't have to be screwing the consumers pushing crap products out on platforms they have no business developing for.

jason
30-07-2015, 02:42
No not really. I have a decent PC, but I don't use it much. Mostly consoles too keep it simple. Yet I know the days of PC elitism are never going to die, unless the consoles do. Which they might the whole port scene/dilemma hurts consoles

Somebody like valve or anyone smart enough to realize a modular gaming system with upgrade able parts is the future will figure it out. Then bye bye consoles. They will always try to push boxes with a ten year hardware span and that just isn't realistic anymore.
Bring on a modular upgrade able steam box and let's get rid of all these different platforms and consolidate the work developers do to one stop shopping. so they don't have to be screwing the consumers pushing crap products out on platforms they have no business developing for.

Steam boxes , upgradable yes , bud once the motherboard doesn't take the required latest ram and or cpu ,GPU its life is over and you are up for another steam box. Motherboards don't last for ever and are not infinitely upgradable.

I believe you are right on the part that 10year life span of a console isn't realistic anymore and I'm sure Sony And Microsoft realise this also , they will have another console out well before that this time around.

Consoles are here to stay look at ps4 sales .

Your steam box isn't going to last 10 years :) either

Raikku
30-07-2015, 03:10
I've always driven race sims pc-side. But doesn't stop me to be interested about console side's driving games too. Like this pCars here, my pal has this version and for some reason pc-version
from this just look horrible on my pc and also runs very poorly so it's good to have ps4-version too.

GT's and Forzas, I've played them too quite a much during these years. In beginning of this year I bought XOne and have spent some serious hours with F5 and FH2. On the other
hand I've been iR-member from 2009 and in general I've bought every sim which have been released in last 10y or so(I've ~380Gb of sim installs on my pc just now...)

About Steam box, I don't see that I would ever buy it. Pc is pc and you get so much better machine when you choose and install parts by yourself.

Gravit8
30-07-2015, 03:32
Steam boxes , upgradable yes , bud once the motherboard doesn't take the required latest ram and or cpu ,GPU its life is over and you are up for another steam box. Motherboards don't last for ever and are not infinitely upgradable.

I believe you are right on the part that 10year life span of a console isn't realistic anymore and I'm sure Sony And Microsoft realise this also , they will have another console out well before that this time around.

Consoles are here to stay look at ps4 sales .

Your steam box isn't going to last 10 years :) either

I think your missing the vision, but if you like bad ports, enjoy them by all means.
Don't need it to last ten years. Just need it to be upgrade able, and cheap like a console.
It's about consolidating developer talent into one development platform so bad ports become a thing of the past. There are clearly not enough talented cross platform problem solvers to deliver finished products that aren't a bug riddled mess.

I am as core a console gamer as the market has, owned 3 360's. Been with Sony since the first. Had several ps2's as well as several ps3's but I would ditch sony or Microsoft for a better platform, consolidated development cycles, and fewer broken ports in a heart beat.

jason
30-07-2015, 04:12
Then you will be left with a broken game instead of a broken port :) ........ It's not going to stop it .

Ok there are many many games , pc only that have been complete abortions no porting involved Sim city anyone .

Psychomatrix
30-07-2015, 04:49
I think consoles would never die. And microsoft will step by step open the system and allow mods and more customisation. The main problem of pc is that the market didn't grow anymore. When you see that 85% of project cars sells go to consoles than it's very clear that every studio will work for consoles. Racingsims are not profitable on pc only anymore. papyrus must close and the made the best sims at that time. Simbin is history. Sms is going the way that keeps them in the game and others will follow.

TrevorAustin
30-07-2015, 04:57
Nah. I want it to work like a real sim. Calibrated and all. With bump stops and all. If I'm in a 270 degree car, I want the bump stop there at 90* full lock. Not another 800 degrees of rotation for no reason. Shouldn't have to alter or adjust steering ratios per vehicle. The vehicles feel much better, not to mention consistent in their native steering mode with no ratios applied. That's why I look for a vehicle and stay with it awhile. If I bother to boot up the game at all.
Last time was just after the first patch.

That's EXACTLY what it does, you're arguing, in an aggressive way, for a feature that has been there from day one unless your wheel is broken. So for example the F1 car turns 90 degrees either way, then hits the soft lock. Exactly as if the rotation was set to 360 in the tm control panel.

Yet another overly aggressive response to several peoole politely explaining to you. My block list ia getting huge! But at least it makes this place appear to not be a playground.

Gravit8
30-07-2015, 06:04
That's EXACTLY what it does, you're arguing, in an aggressive way, for a feature that has been there from day one unless your wheel is broken. So for example the F1 car turns 90 degrees either way, then hits the soft lock. Exactly as if the rotation was set to 360 in the tm control panel.

Yet another overly aggressive response to several peoole politely explaining to you. My block list ia getting huge! But at least it makes this place appear to not be a playground.

You either misinterpret or did not read all the thread posts related to what I'm saying.
Originally this goes back to not being able to recalibrate from within an online lobby.
I'm saying I don't want to have to exit matches or sessions to get the soft lock to operate properly.
Pay attention before you come in swinging heavy handed. At least know what your talking about.
Really seems like you came in hot just looking for beef.
While it may seem prestigious to have a long block list, don't find it impressive. Seems .....






never mind

MLT24
30-07-2015, 07:24
Simply calibrate wheel in settings at 1080. Then whatever car you are driving, the game automatically will set up your wheel lock when you drive it and ffb is changing too, per car. No need to leave room or ever recalibrate your wheel unless it messes up. I calibrate once when I enter game at 1080 just to make sure since I play other racing games too. Thrustmasters T300 works perfect like this. Curious as to what wheel your using?

ChrisK
30-07-2015, 09:08
I think your missing the vision, but if you like bad ports, enjoy them by all means.
Don't need it to last ten years. Just need it to be upgrade able, and cheap like a console.
It's about consolidating developer talent into one development platform so bad ports become a thing of the past. There are clearly not enough talented cross platform problem solvers to deliver finished products that aren't a bug riddled mess.

I am as core a console gamer as the market has, owned 3 360's. Been with Sony since the first. Had several ps2's as well as several ps3's but I would ditch sony or Microsoft for a better platform, consolidated development cycles, and fewer broken ports in a heart beat.

So what you're proposing is a monopoly with no competition. Yay !! Wouldn't that work out great for consumers. Want a sim? Sure...only option is to drop a couple of grand on a PC. Great option. Just awesome. You should run for president....of China.

Roger Prynne
30-07-2015, 10:05
There's also steering sensitivity in the calibration screen. It's where dead zones etc are.
I have that turned up to 70

The only thing with that is that it affects all cars.

Mascot
30-07-2015, 11:28
Patch is being submitted today.

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?36235-Latest-patch-is-being-submitted-for-certification-today-%2830-July%29-what-is-included

bmanic
30-07-2015, 12:15
No it won't, especially not with calibration. What a mess. Why wouldn't you change the lock? Nor want calibration? Probably messes up the game or whatever. Driving around with more than 270 degrees of rotation, but trying to tell where the steering stops? No thanks. Would be cool if then you just make the mode change and lt stays locked in. But since YOU CANT HAVE IT CALIBRATED? What's the point? Cute work around for SMS, but a sloppy one that likely makes things worse.

?? Complete utter bollocks. Maybe it is a language barrier here but you make absolute no sense at all.

The wheel calibration in Project CARS works perfectly. Like Roger said, just set your wheel to maximum steering lock (900 or 1080 degrees, depending on your wheel). Then calibrate it in-game exactly as instructed by the game. This results in 1 to 1 simulation of each cars real steering lock.

bmanic
30-07-2015, 12:16
You either misinterpret or did not read all the thread posts related to what I'm saying.
Originally this goes back to not being able to recalibrate from within an online lobby.
I'm saying I don't want to have to exit matches or sessions to get the soft lock to operate properly.
Pay attention before you come in swinging heavy handed. At least know what your talking about.
Really seems like you came in hot just looking for beef.
While it may seem prestigious to have a long block list, don't find it impressive. Seems .....


Or you could learn to write coherent posts with a way less aggressive tone. Maybe people would then actually read and understand what you are writing. How about that?

TrevorAustin
30-07-2015, 12:23
Or you could learn to write coherent posts with a way less aggressive tone. Maybe people would then actually read and understand what you are writing. How about that?

Nobody has misinterpreted, he doesn't actually want help, just to whine and whinge. Nobody can be too thick ti realise it already, and always has worked perfectly. Hes had at least 4 perfectly easy to understand answers and isn't even reading them.

Gravit8
30-07-2015, 21:34
?? Complete utter bollocks. Maybe it is a language barrier here but you make absolute no sense at all.

The wheel calibration in Project CARS works perfectly. Like Roger said, just set your wheel to maximum steering lock (900 or 1080 degrees, depending on your wheel). Then calibrate it in-game exactly as instructed by the game. This results in 1 to 1 simulation of each cars real steering lock.

Maybe you guys just don't get it, aren't listening or whatever. But what part of "I don't want to drive a 270 degree car, like a formula A car, with 1080 degrees of rotation or without the soft lock set properly"? Are you not understanding? Haha
Reading comprehension people. You just sound ignorant trying to argue the wrong point just to be right or back the game. Driving without the soft locks is not something I want to do, so I have to back out of lobby's to get the real sim feel I want without playing a guessing game on where 90 degree lock input stops because the soft lock is missing. My t300 has soft stops for 270, ,540,900,1080. I'd like to use them. Every time and calibrate my setup properly.
Now go away shills or those who refuse to read an entire thread and just like to argue without the facts.
Why the heck would anyone want to drive a formula car with 800 extra degrees of rotation mixed in and no soft stop? Maybe Arcade guys like it, but I don't.

ChrisK
31-07-2015, 01:27
I suspect that if you were someone at the top of the time leaderboards you're feedback about the dynamics of the system compromising your ability to control the car and set fast times would be taken very seriously.

So...are you at the top of the leaderboards ? Or are you saying that those at the top of the leaderboards are just bodgy "arcade racers" and truly talented superstar drivers like you are somehow disadvantaged by this issue.

Gravit8
31-07-2015, 02:20
I suspect that if you were someone at the top of the time leaderboards you're feedback about the dynamics of the system compromising your ability to control the car and set fast times would be taken very seriously.

So...are you at the top of the leaderboards ? Or are you saying that those at the top of the leaderboards are just bodgy "arcade racers" and truly talented superstar drivers like you are somehow disadvantaged by this issue.

I could care less about a leader board on my sim. Can't compare what a pad user is doing, to a stock wheel driver, to a tuned wheel and setup driver. They are playing by different standards for different reasons. All achieving similar results.
I want realism always. Not sure what leader boards have to do with my preference for racing each car in its native steering mode with the soft lock enabled. I guess you like bringing them up, but usually people who do that post up their own times to brag or pretend to. What's your point? Sure someone could get on the leader boards with a flight stick if they felt like it.

jason
31-07-2015, 02:24
My new racing cockpit , still have to work on FOV and which button will be the wipers.

213883

ChrisK
31-07-2015, 02:30
I could care less about a leader board on my sim. Can't compare what a pad user is doing, to a stock wheel driver, to a tuned wheel and setup driver. They are playing by different standards for different reasons. All achieving similar results.
I want realism always. Not sure what leader boards have to do with my preference for racing each car in its native steering mode with the soft lock enabled. I guess you like bringing them up, but usually people who do that post up their own times to brag or pretend to. What's your point? Sure someone could get on the leader boards with a flight stick if they felt like it.

You haven't really been talking about it as your preference though have you ? You've been passing judgement that anyone who doesn't agree with your estimation of the steering dynamic is an "arcade racer" and is somehow less in tune or concerned with realism than you are.

The reason the leaderboards are relevant is that despite the issues you bring up, some people seem to be getting it to work pretty well with a wheel. Like I said, if you were one of those top guys you're opinion on the dynamic would be based on somewhat solid foundations. My contention is that you're probably just trying to make excuses as to why you're not faster. Or best case, you've just not been particularly effective at making a case that your issue is significant.

If you want realism, there's no substitute for dare I say it....realism.

Tomcul
31-07-2015, 09:12
Lock stops would be nice tho.. T500rs set to 1080, onscreen driver stops turning the wheel but I can continue to turn mine..

xxTheGoDxx
31-07-2015, 13:21
Lock stops would be nice tho.. T500rs set to 1080, onscreen driver stops turning the wheel but I can continue to turn mine..

That works on my DFGT (900° wheel)... Check you settings and maybe recalibrate, I had no lock when I first tried the game w/o making a profile for it in the Logitech driver software.

Gravit8
31-07-2015, 13:39
You haven't really been talking about it as your preference though have you ? You've been passing judgement that anyone who doesn't agree with your estimation of the steering dynamic is an "arcade racer" and is somehow less in tune or concerned with realism than you are.

The reason the leaderboards are relevant is that despite the issues you bring up, some people seem to be getting it to work pretty well with a wheel. Like I said, if you were one of those top guys you're opinion on the dynamic would be based on somewhat solid foundations. My contention is that you're probably just trying to make excuses as to why you're not faster. Or best case, you've just not been particularly effective at making a case that your issue is significant.

If you want realism, there's no substitute for dare I say it....realism.


Dude. You funny. Put words in other,people's mouth much? Jeez. I'm done. Guess you missed someone throwing that "Arcade racer" tag at me earlier in the thread.? Run along now. Really just talking about my preference if your paying attention. Stop trying to clown people over how fast or slow they might be? Don't even know me. Project much onto others? Excuses? Your just going to invent whatever you wan to rant against right?

For police below. I said I was done didn't I? Not sure how else to handle griefers. What do you suggest. Did I handle that wrong or aggressively. Tried to get my point across as passively as possible. Why warn ME when I'm already trying to diffuse the situation?

Roger Prynne
31-07-2015, 13:52
That's enough now 'ChrisK' and 'Gravit8' lets move on.

Tomcul
31-07-2015, 14:05
That works on my DFGT (900° wheel)... Check you settings and maybe recalibrate, I had no lock when I first tried the game w/o making a profile for it in the Logitech driver software.

Settings all ok I'm on ps4 might be ok on pc..

Gravit8
03-08-2015, 23:23
hahahaha Oh master race PC person above ?

your opinion is unfortunate , I see your point but as a console player I am looking forward to the likes of AC , Dirt rally and Reiza or sector 3 giving consoles a crack as its good for those studios and good for sim racing.

This is what's needs to be done to keep it thriving and the interest of sim racing rising so we continue to get improved products for the future.

My opinion.

It's an unfortunate side effect of being exposed to lots of crappy ports. AC doesn't even gave good AI on PC. Is not complete there. Nor is PCars. Leave em there on PC. Don't try to turn us console users into your beta testers while the studio cuts it's teeth trying to learn how to port games. On our dime and time.
Why give unfinished PC games any free cash for garbage code on console?
Unless your some kind of cheer leader/fan or something just grateful to have a developer sell you garbage and promise it has a future. Regardless if it does or not.
Developers like pay checks. Not rebuilding games with bugs introduced into them via console release.
They'd obviously rather play a broken game than work on fixing it.

Liquid7394
03-08-2015, 23:26
Settings all ok I'm on ps4 might be ok on pc..
Have you tried changing the T500 to 900°?

jason
03-08-2015, 23:39
I have mine at 900 at 1080 its a little too much.

gotdirt410sprintcar
03-08-2015, 23:40
Could a fanboi be a girl?
SLIDERS SLIDERES SLIDERS not yelling big issue for me. Thanks for the hard work

Gravit8
03-08-2015, 23:54
I'm just saying, it was never easier to be an informed customer.
I don't say you should not complain if something is broken, thats ok. But on the other hand, it was never easier to know what you buy before you spend money than today and avoid stuff that does not fit your needs.

That it's sad, that today you have do accept that many things are broken or unfinished on release (not only software) is another story.




Sorry, not a native speaker... and no idea what this means. :)




If your willing to wait. Sure real feed back is available. But games like this rely on big websites pre release to hype them up.
Gamer gate has just recently exposed what all of us old school gamers already knew. The pre release hype is usually BS paid marketing. Can't be trusted anymore. Got to wait til it gets into hands that actually paid for and want to play the game. Not lazy writers who want a job reviewing crap they could care less about playing.
I do not agree that it's easy to get good and reliable info pre release. This game rated highly in big media. But we all know that's a joke now. The people that care have raised their voices.

Fre.Mo
04-08-2015, 06:43
Have you tried changing the T500 to 900°?

When you calibrate a t500 at 900° is there, in game, a steering lock at this value or is there a deadzone between 900 and 1080?

Is there a difference between, calibrating the wheel at a lesser steering angle and changing the car steering to a faster ratio?

jason
04-08-2015, 06:48
I actually don't think you get that Fre.Mo e.g past the 900 mark with any car. With race cars its not as if you are drifting and you need that type of rotation.

TrevorAustin
04-08-2015, 07:28
When you calibrate a t500 at 900° is there, in game, a steering lock at this value or is there a deadzone between 900 and 1080?

Is there a difference between, calibrating the wheel at a lesser steering angle and changing the car steering to a faster ratio?

If you calibrate it at 900 thats the maximum in game lick it can have (although i think the maximum in game soft lock is 900 anyway) then whatever the car you choose will impose a sift lock at that cars setting, so ford focus 900 degree soft lock, formuls a 270 degree soft lock, etc. I used to change my wheel settings all the time but no need to as the game already does it.

Konan
04-08-2015, 19:57
Informed customer my eye, if that was the case and everyone waited for everything to be reviewed first then nothing would ever get bought!
It's apologists making up excuses that has things the way they are, especially in the gaming industry.
Anyway, that's enough ranting from me, I'm loving Project Cars these days so I'm happy.
Good luck.


I believe i WAS well informed...watched allmost every video of the game on Youtube in anticipation of release and NEVER did i see one showing the bugs/glitches etc... Would be bad advertising i guess...should have known they'd only show the good stuff...there were also no communications pre-release about the things they left out after...
Don't get me wrong,i love the game and play as often as possible but i DO think most of us were expecting more...

SkechBG
04-08-2015, 22:35
I believe i WAS well informed...watched allmost every video of the game on Youtube in anticipation of release and NEVER did i see one showing the bugs/glitches etc... Would be bad advertising i guess...should have known they'd only show the good stuff...there were also no communications pre-release about the things they left out after...
Don't get me wrong,i love the game and play as often as possible but i DO think most of us were expecting more...


Totally agree with you... i like this game a lot but they promise some stuff and now we never recive it because they plan it to release in PC2 ... idk if i go buy it if they not fix some bugs like the invisible walls and pitbox stuck and crashes inside in whalls...i cant belive i buy all platform copy of this game day one and the game looks and feel like not finished !!! so why RELEASE a unfinished Product full with bugs ... not is better take your time and release it when is compleatly tested and free of bugs !!! idk im little desapointed i hope they make PCars better before GT7 and Asseto Corssa goes out... because if still in the same Buggy format i never more buy something from SMS...this is my opinion ... and im sad because this game have a potential to make a difference by far from others in the same class... lets see how this evolve... in the time ... because now i have a feel im a beta tester not a gemer who pay around 200 euros for enjoy the game in all platforms ...

wyldanimal
05-08-2015, 04:38
Totally agree with you... i like this game a lot but they promise some stuff and now we never recive it because they plan it to release in PC2 ... idk if i go buy it if they not fix some bugs like the invisible walls and pitbox stuck and crashes inside in whalls...i cant belive i buy all platform copy of this game day one and the game looks and feel like not finished !!! so why RELEASE a unfinished Product full with bugs ... not is better take your time and release it when is compleatly tested and free of bugs !!! idk im little desapointed i hope they make PCars better before GT7 and Asseto Corssa goes out... because if still in the same Buggy format i never more buy something from SMS...this is my opinion ... and im sad because this game have a potential to make a difference by far from others in the same class... lets see how this evolve... in the time ... because now i have a feel im a beta tester not a gemer who pay around 200 euros for enjoy the game in all platforms ...

I have not heard that one yet...
I expect that pCars 1 will still be patched, and more DLC's with new tracks and cars on a regular basis..

I'm not sure where ALL THIS "no more support for pCars 1 comes from

Konan
05-08-2015, 05:24
I have not heard that one yet...
I expect that pCars 1 will still be patched, and more DLC's with new tracks and cars on a regular basis..

I'm not sure where ALL THIS "no more support for pCars 1 comes from

For me,i never mentioned that...i think it's admireable that they put so much work in improving the game,thumbs up for that.
I was talking about the "smokescreen" that was put up before and on release...me ,and i'm sure a lot more, expected more of the game,considering the videos that were released on Youtube...i'm talking mostely about the things left out that i was expecting to have in the game...
On the other hand, i do realise that a further delay could have been a disaster for you guys.
But if there had been some communication on things cancelled or being added later,i still would have bought the game and be less dissappointed after...

Ian Bell
05-08-2015, 05:26
I just want to say that 3.0 is HUGE guys. Lots of requested updates, bug fixes, tweaks, new features.

I can't wait until you have it in your hands.

XmasTeaTowel
05-08-2015, 05:33
I just want to say that 3.0 is HUGE guys. Lots of requested updates, bug fixes, tweaks, new features.

I can't wait until you have it in your hands.

Has 3.0 been submitted to Microsoft yet? How long do you think till we see this patch on Xbone?

Umer Ahmad
05-08-2015, 05:36
What's more significant than "stonker"?

Ian Bell
05-08-2015, 05:41
What's more significant than "stonker"?

Doozie.

Ian Bell
05-08-2015, 05:41
Has 3.0 been submitted to Microsoft yet? How long do you think till we see this patch on Xbone?

We're intentionally not saying sorry, we caused some upset before when things were delayed.

Neil Bateman
05-08-2015, 06:04
We're intentionally not saying sorry, we caused some upset before when things were delayed.

Not saying? Well thats a bit upsetting.:)

Konan
05-08-2015, 06:07
Not saying? Well thats a bit upsetting.:)

Indeed...i don't know if the upset will be less this way...lol

mjemec11
05-08-2015, 06:42
I just want to say that 3.0 is HUGE guys. Lots of requested updates, bug fixes, tweaks, new features.

I can't wait until you have it in your hands.

#GetHyped

Can't wait till 3.0 hits the consoles. :cool:

jason
05-08-2015, 06:54
My Anticipation for this is extremely high ..... Thanks for the update Ian .

TrevorAustin
05-08-2015, 06:59
I just want to say that 3.0 is HUGE guys. Lots of requested updates, bug fixes, tweaks, new features.

I can't wait until you have it in your hands.

Snap:) stop teasing, what are the approximate timescales?

ElectricBlues85
05-08-2015, 07:44
I just want to say that 3.0 is HUGE guys. Lots of requested updates, bug fixes, tweaks, new features.

I can't wait until you have it in your hands.

I like all of this. I've largely managed to avoid the bugs that many have experienced so on a purely selfish level I'm really intrigued about the 'new features' more than anything else.

Fong74
05-08-2015, 08:35
Another stonker doozie comin our way! :p Im excited and curious what will be in the next package :D I was able to avoid most of the bugs also, but would love to see the game becoming a solid platform for leagues and cups, to which we are very much looking forward to.

Will the release notes become available this week, or will it rather be the next one? Just to be able to manage expectations of users who are not active here in the forums... :angel:

danowat
05-08-2015, 08:38
Any chance of some patch notes yet?

Titzon Toast
05-08-2015, 09:15
I just want to say that 3.0 is HUGE guys. Lots of requested updates, bug fixes, tweaks, new features.

I can't wait until you have it in your hands.

Ian, ye big tease, give us a few patch notes please!

EDIT.
06:26?! No messing around with you anyway.
Good man.

Maxime Parquet
05-08-2015, 09:46
Hope the loose of FFB setting while i'm on the track with the T300 is fixed :(

chig88
05-08-2015, 10:22
I just want to say that 3.0 is HUGE guys. Lots of requested updates, bug fixes, tweaks, new features.

I can't wait until you have it in your hands.

I really hope the landmine bug is fixed.

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?36489-Landmine-Issue

Fingers crossed!!!

Beltoon
05-08-2015, 10:26
I just want to say that 3.0 is HUGE guys. Lots of requested updates, bug fixes, tweaks, new features.

I can't wait until you have it in your hands.

Any announcement about this in the XB1 thread or have you guys given up on us. However, if the multiplayer lobby's don't get fixed I wouldn't even bother releasing 3.0 on XB1. We don't care about all the minor tweaks. We want to race. Together. Online.

Fre.Mo
05-08-2015, 11:18
I just want to say that 3.0 is HUGE guys. Lots of requested updates, bug fixes, tweaks, new features.

I can't wait until you have it in your hands.

We know you can't announce the release date since, if it is delayed you will be blamed for that, but at least please post the release notes...

Raven403
05-08-2015, 11:26
I just want to say that 3.0 is HUGE guys. Lots of requested updates, bug fixes, tweaks, new features.

I can't wait until you have it in your hands.

Why are we still operating under the "Lets make the Patches as big as possible" premise? Especially when MP is in its current state, would Hot Fix patches not be more prudent?

Mascot
05-08-2015, 11:51
Any chance of some patch notes yet?

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?36235-Latest-patch-is-being-submitted-for-certification-today-%2830-July%29-what-is-included&p=1069846&viewfull=1#post1069846

Ian Bell
05-08-2015, 11:52
Any announcement about this in the XB1 thread or have you guys given up on us. However, if the multiplayer lobby's don't get fixed I wouldn't even bother releasing 3.0 on XB1. We don't care about all the minor tweaks. We want to race. Together. Online.

Sorry, I was posting as a general response for all platforms.

I use 'new posts' exclusively and constantly miss the specific forum...

I can say that if anything, Xbox gets slightly more out of this than other platforms. Lobbies for example :)

Dazza
05-08-2015, 12:17
Sorry, I was posting as a general response for all platforms.

I use 'new posts' exclusively and constantly miss the specific forum...

I can say that if anything, Xbox gets slightly more out of this than other platforms. Lobbies for example :)

stop teasing, give us the patch notes :P

Invincible
05-08-2015, 12:23
Teasing is only half the fun if you don't hide the really important things. :p

Mascot
05-08-2015, 12:42
I just want to say that 3.0 is HUGE guys. Lots of requested updates, bug fixes, tweaks, new features.

I can't wait until you have it in your hands.

Yeah, but will we be flabbergasted..?

Ch1ps N Queso
05-08-2015, 13:16
Hopefully the new features include MP lobby stability and the ability to use game chat with a full grid of drivers.

Thanks for the hard work.

ChrisK
05-08-2015, 13:29
My Anticipation for this is extremely high ..... Thanks for the update Ian .

x2. After the pit in penalty bug I got in race 1 tonight....looking forward to that bastard of a bug going for good !

Yorkie065
05-08-2015, 13:34
Why are we still operating under the "Lets make the Patches as big as possible" premise? Especially when MP is in its current state, would Hot Fix patches not be more prudent?

Because even if you do small 'Hot Fix Patches' with only a few fixes in, they still have to go through the testing process with Sony and Microsoft, and of course internally. Whilst testing times would possibly be shorter as there is less to test, if you're constantly back and forth with multiple patches going, it could potentially get frustrating and confusing for both parties which could lead to further complications.

As for release on the actual patch notes, I think they may be holding back on those until they have a final confirmation of what will be in. They know what they submitted, but like we saw with the last two Xbox patches there were things that Microsoft picked up on that needed to be fixed again and re-submitted. If there's anything major that may not actually end up being able to make the patch as it needs more time to fix, then it could leave people disappointed and they therefore might be playing a bit safer this time round until they know the hand they've got is all good.

NemethR
05-08-2015, 13:39
#GetHyped

Can't wait till 3.0 hits the consoles. :cool:

Me too, as that will mean the PC players will get their patch 4.5 by that time :D

Fong74
05-08-2015, 14:14
[...]
As for release on the actual patch notes, I think they may be holding back on those until they have a final confirmation of what will be in. They know what they submitted, but like we saw with the last two Xbox patches there were things that Microsoft picked up on that needed to be fixed again and re-submitted. If there's anything major that may not actually end up being able to make the patch as it needs more time to fix, then it could leave people disappointed and they therefore might be playing a bit safer this time round until they know the hand they've got is all good.

Could this mean, that release notes are held back until MS greenlights the definite scope of the v3.0 patch from their end? Just a wild guess... Im really curious whats in the next patch so excuse my impatience which maybe stimulates the guesswork part of my brain too much atm :o

Olijke Poffer
05-08-2015, 14:17
I just want to say that 3.0 is HUGE guys. Lots of requested updates, bug fixes, tweaks, new features.

I can't wait until you have it in your hands.
I wish i had your confidence.. Let's hope you are right and we finally get a game we all would like to have when we bought Pcars.
Fingers crossed..

mjemec11
05-08-2015, 14:20
Me too, as that will mean the PC players will get their patch 4.5 by that time :D

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/attachments/diesel-discussion/105827d1348716949-murder-boneyard-fuuuuuuu.jpg

/s

CopperySinger5
05-08-2015, 14:41
Just wondering if there are any details about work-in-progress here. I took delivery of the limited edition on day one and have experienced frustrations with pretty much every single session since. I desperately want to like Project Cars as it attempts to implement all the things I have ever wanted in a racing title, but I can't help but become more and more disillusioned each time I fire it up and discover another issue. I know I am not alone on this...

TDU2 promised a patch to fix their game 4.5 years ago, Im still waiting and haven't seen it yet. so also with SMS "Be patient" smh.

IJerichoI
05-08-2015, 14:51
TDU2 promised a patch to fix their game 4.5 years ago, Im still waiting and haven't seen it yet. so also with SMS "Be patient" smh.

I understand that as if SMS don't deliver patches for ages. That is pretty unfair, isn't it, given that the game is out for 3 months and is receiving its 3rd major patch in due time?

Flaw3dGenius
05-08-2015, 14:58
TDU2 promised a patch to fix their game 4.5 years ago, Im still waiting and haven't seen it yet. so also with SMS "Be patient" smh.

I dont think it's coming mate...Some games just cannot be fixed.

Fong74
05-08-2015, 15:00
I understand that as if SMS don't deliver patches for ages. That is pretty unfair, isn't it, given that the game is out for 3 months and is receiving its 3rd major patch in due time?

Exactly.

We had around 140 fixes in 2 patches for the consoles....in 3 months....that makes 1,5 fixes per day roughly. If you take the QA overhead into account (which is necessary of course, but slows down release frequencies) that is an impressive number imho. If you have a tiny bit of experience with software development, you will surely realize that amazing performance SMS team has put out since release. Honestly, respect guys!

andycass
05-08-2015, 16:44
Exactly.

We had around 140 fixes in 2 patches for the consoles....in 3 months....that makes 1,5 fixes per day roughly. If you take the QA overhead into account (which is necessary of course, but slows down release frequencies) that is an impressive number imho. If you have a tiny bit of experience with software development, you will surely realize that amazing performance SMS team has put out since release. Honestly, respect guys!

I'm not sure if your defending the SMS team or not? Because what really is worrying is the fact that it needs so many fixes in the first place And will no doubt need many more in the future.

sirsilver1968
05-08-2015, 17:49
I just want to say that 3.0 is HUGE guys. Lots of requested updates, bug fixes, tweaks, new features.

I can't wait until you have it in your hands.

Straight from the Wookies mouth, thanks for letting us know Ian :)

Fong74
05-08-2015, 17:58
I'm not sure if your defending the SMS team or not? Because what really is worrying is the fact that it needs so many fixes in the first place And will no doubt need many more in the future.



That are different aspects imo. I was talking about patching/bugfixing performance. You are referencing the development process and its outcome to a certain point in time, namely the release date. I am pretty sure SMS would have chosen a later release if it would have been up to them alone.... So I dont feel its fair to impose negative aspects on the guys who, obviously, work very hard now to improve the situation and our experience with the game. They just try to make the best out of the situation. I never experienced such a performance in terms of bugfixes when it comes to racing titles. So, yes, Im quite impressed tbh

IJerichoI
05-08-2015, 20:20
Not to mention that the delays have costed huge amounts of money. And be glad that it wasn't released in November! The delays were for you, but at some point you have to release, otherwise you go broke. You mustn't forget that WMD with all of its aspects was completely new, and everyone had to learn. This was slowing down the development process at certain points, causing sometimes a back and forth. Not to mention the whole FSA thing. Everyone at WMD should know, that this wasn't always easy or a standart development process. Please show some respect to the work of SMS. These guys are doing this for you, with real passion. It is their IP, and be sure they want it to be as good as possible. Which might not be as some of you expect, but I for one have lots of fun with this GAME.

Edit: I forgot to say again: we're only three months from release, look at the game in half a year, it will surely be better and more complete than now. Was the case with other titles too.

LordDRIFT
05-08-2015, 20:58
I used to get excited about pcar patches. Now I'm a cynical: cant help but to wonder what will break and how many broken promises will there be. I don't care that the patch is huge. Im actually put off by it because historically the QA has been subpar. I say focus on fewer things and free up bandwidth more thorogh QA.

Fight-Test
05-08-2015, 21:17
Drift, I feel you have had such a bad go on this game. Im loving every second. I play hours a day and really only in one car and Ive got down maybe 8 tracks so far. At this rate I will only have 3 or 4 cars really down solid before end of year. Im probably down into the pennys on the hour as far as money spent and met a good bunch of guys to race with. Im so pumped about the next patch as the game is so close to something really unbelievable on a console.

Drift, I did get my ffb squared away but couldn't drop FFB level under 100 without losing tons of response from the road. Only had to drop Tire force to 70 to completely remove any fade with the classic settings and then I went back to the 66% which are even less stress on wheel. Still tons of FFB. I found that turning those scoops all the way down seemed to help with the feel also.

LordDRIFT
05-08-2015, 21:24
Drift, I feel you have had such a bad go on this game. Im loving every second. I play hours a day and really only in one car and Ive got down maybe 8 tracks so far. At this rate I will only have 3 or 4 cars really down solid before end of year. Im probably down into the pennys on the hour as far as money spent and met a good bunch of guys to race with. Im so pumped about the next patch as the game is so close to something really unbelievable on a console.

Drift, I did get my ffb squared away but couldn't drop FFB level under 100 without losing tons of response from the road. Only had to drop Tire force to 70 to completely remove any fade with the classic settings and then I went back to the 66% which are even less stress on wheel. Still tons of FFB. I found that turning those scoops all the way down seemed to help with the feel also.

I'm not surprised. I had to use different settings between both my t300's - the tolerances are not tight so I don't expect units to perform similarly. At 70/70 I feel everything. My old wheel was cranked way up to achieve the same effect. I think I mentioned that on one of my posts. My experience with the game is mainly wasting hours setting up ffb, only for another patch to come along and require me to start from scratch. Then there are the other odds and ends that show up as a result of the new code. It can be a chore. Feels like im always having to acclimate and find workarounds before I can begin to enjoy sessions.

medse87
05-08-2015, 21:25
Well done SMS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ptMOw4YEiY

It's not funny any more. You can't run endurance races in PC. Tire pressures are changing, Bathurst has invisible walls, the flat tire bug, the Harry Potter bug. Did I miss anything annoying? I'm starting to get really pissed.

Gravit8
05-08-2015, 21:44
I understand that as if SMS don't deliver patches for ages. That is pretty unfair, isn't it, given that the game is out for 3 months and is receiving its 3rd major patch in due time?

This would be the first to fix anything significantly, especially the several game breakers people keep complaining about. If it fixes anything.? So far we have seen two insignificant patches.
I think it's fair. People are still here waiting on a stonker,doozie or home run. Cause the first two were swings and misses.

Fight-Test
05-08-2015, 21:46
holy smokes thats a new one. Dang looks like a imaginary car was there. I wouldnt use the pit strategy menu while racing. Preset them all as its known that pits are jacked unless you follow this procedure. use the first one

simhqmotorsports.com/setups-pit-strategy-for-project-cars/

andycass
05-08-2015, 21:56
Not to mention that the delays have costed huge amounts of money. And be glad that it wasn't released in November! The delays were for you, but at some point you have to release, otherwise you go broke. You mustn't forget that WMD with all of its aspects was completely new, and everyone had to learn. This was slowing down the development process at certain points, causing sometimes a back and forth. Not to mention the whole FSA thing. Everyone at WMD should know, that this wasn't always easy or a standart development process. Please show some respect to the work of SMS. These guys are doing this for you, with real passion. It is their IP, and be sure they want it to be as good as possible. Which might not be as some of you expect, but I for one have lots of fun with this GAME.

Edit: I forgot to say again: we're only three months from release, look at the game in half a year, it will surely be better and more complete than now. Was the case with other titles too.

In half a year most people who bought this game will never see its full potential they'll have moved on. allot of the memory's they'll have of this game will be a buggy mess.
We all no this game should have been delayed from releasing i don't care if it would have cost them money from being delaying again. I'm a consumer i have no vested interest in this company (unlike some who defend everything with this game and shoot down every post they construe as negative) Making or loosing money should never be an excuse. I still had to pay full price.
To be honest i think your making excuses up for them and they would never standby the excuses you have made or they would be slaughtered for it.
I haven't played this game for over 2 weeks not because i'm bored of it or because i don't want to play it but because its pure frustrating.

LordDRIFT
05-08-2015, 23:34
I haven't played this game for over 2 weeks not because i'm bored of it or because i don't want to play it but because its pure frustrating.

I can relate to this. This is what happens when there is an absence of competition. People are forced to settle. Prime example is me buying a second t300, when I absolutely despise the product quality, to play a game that tries my patience because it's the only ticket in town.

madmax2069
06-08-2015, 00:26
Well done SMS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ptMOw4YEiY

It's not funny any more. You can't run endurance races in PC. Tire pressures are changing, Bathurst has invisible walls, the flat tire bug, the Harry Potter bug. Did I miss anything annoying? I'm starting to get really pissed.

Ive ran into that multiple times on Bathurst.

AdM1
06-08-2015, 00:33
Well done SMS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ptMOw4YEiY

It's not funny any more. You can't run endurance races in PC. Tire pressures are changing, Bathurst has invisible walls, the flat tire bug, the Harry Potter bug. Did I miss anything annoying? I'm starting to get really pissed.

I don't get this problem because I don't do endurance races.. Have you tried not doing endurance races? That should work..

madmax2069
06-08-2015, 02:02
I don't get this problem because I don't do endurance races.. Have you tried not doing endurance races? That should work..

Both times that I ran into that issue on Bathurst was in a online race not doing endurance racing. After a 4 lap race I noticed that after I finished the AI controlled car pulled into the pits and did that exact thing, went to pull into the box and hit a invisible wall. The next time I ran into this issue was a 5 lap race, they had weather enabled, it started raining after the second lap, went in to change tires and that was the result which ended the race for me because my AI couldn't get it into the box.

IJerichoI
06-08-2015, 07:34
In half a year most people who bought this game will never see its full potential they'll have moved on. allot of the memory's they'll have of this game will be a buggy mess.
We all no this game should have been delayed from releasing i don't care if it would have cost them money from being delaying again. I'm a consumer i have no vested interest in this company (unlike some who defend everything with this game and shoot down every post they construe as negative) Making or loosing money should never be an excuse. I still had to pay full price.
To be honest i think your making excuses up for them and they would never standby the excuses you have made or they would be slaughtered for it.
I haven't played this game for over 2 weeks not because i'm bored of it or because i don't want to play it but because its pure frustrating.

That is somewhat subjective, as I don't buy a game only to play it half a year and then forget it. If something is broken I wait until it is fixed, and play it later. But that is just my opinion (remembering game-breaking quest bugs in Skyrim for example).

However, my post was not meant to invalidate given facts, I just wanted to give some insight, why things are how they are, and to help people understand the situation.



Making or loosing money should never be an excuse.

This point is not really helpful - SMS is a company which has to pay employees, and failing with the project makes people lose their jobs in the worst case. Just like in any other company. And this is not because I gave money to them - this is just corporate thinking of my side. Desicions were not always easy or nice, but had to be made to ensure this is going forward.

Again: this is my own view of things, I'm not in the position to speak or excuse for SMS.

stella-stig
06-08-2015, 07:59
I think the reason for the game getting release full of bugs is because they where running out of money... all I want to do is to be able to qualify or race with out it freezing when someone joins or leaves the lobby on multiplayer.. But it looks like this can't be fixed might as well and go play some golf

ChrisK
06-08-2015, 08:05
I think the reason for the game getting release full of bugs is because they where running out of money... all I want to do is to be able to qualify or race with out it freezing when someone joins or leaves the lobby on multiplayer.. But it looks like this can't be fixed might as well and go play some golf

Does your game freeze when someone leaves the race ? I only experience that in qualifying.

stella-stig
06-08-2015, 08:08
Does your game freeze when someone leaves the race ? I only experience that in qualifying.

I've had it a few times when I've been racing someone has left and it has froze

Titzon Toast
06-08-2015, 08:20
I've had it a few times when I've been racing someone has left and it has froze

Have you jumped over to the PS4 from the Bone Stig?

Mr Schumacher
06-08-2015, 08:41
Mr bell.. Can we expect hopefully to receive a patch for console gamers (XB1 and PS4) that will allow us (the consumer) to have the freedom of CAMERA view adjustability.. I noticed on the PC version, you can move forward and backward and side to side on the hood cam, you can even sit the camera on th dash right behind the window.. PLEASE INCLUDE THAT AMAZING FEATURE TO BOTH PS4 and XB1.. Besides that, the game is AMAZING.. FORZA DOESENT STAND A CHANCE.. Well if we get more cars soon they won't stand a chance.. LOL.. Thanks again chewy AKA MR BELL..

Fanatest
06-08-2015, 08:50
Mr bell.. Can we expect hopefully to receive a patch for console gamers (XB1 and PS4) that will allow us (the consumer) to have the freedom of CAMERA view adjustability.. I noticed on the PC version, you can move forward and backward and side to side on the hood cam, you can even sit the camera on th dash right behind the window.. PLEASE INCLUDE THAT AMAZING FEATURE TO BOTH PS4 and XB1.. Besides that, the game is AMAZING.. FORZA DOESENT STAND A CHANCE.. Well if we get more cars soon they won't stand a chance.. LOL.. Thanks again chewy AKA MR BELL..

This is one of my most requested features and ant understand why they removed it from the consoles? :(

medse87
06-08-2015, 08:53
holy smokes thats a new one. Dang looks like a imaginary car was there. I wouldnt use the pit strategy menu while racing. Preset them all as its known that pits are jacked unless you follow this procedure. use the first one

simhqmotorsports.com/setups-pit-strategy-for-project-cars/

This was a preset pit strategy, but it fucked up the tire pressures. Again.


I don't get this problem because I don't do endurance races.. Have you tried not doing endurance races? That should work..

Best advice ever. Maybe some of us want to drive longer MP races with pit stops.

Fong74
06-08-2015, 10:01
Best advice ever. Maybe some of us want to drive longer MP races with pit stops.

You can do so. Just turn off tire changes in the strategy (it should be the only strategy available on your system, as it could happen that pCars chooses another one randomly). You can do 1,5-2h races with GT3s or LMPs e.g. and pit if needed for repairs or refueling. We tested it with our racing community and it works just fine. No red/blue tires anymore when exiting the pits.

Weather changes are a no-go with this approach unfortunately. But if things get fixed we should be able to use that awesome feature again.

medse87
06-08-2015, 10:18
You can do so. Just turn off tire changes in the strategy (it should be the only strategy available on your system, as it could happen that pCars chooses another one randomly). You can do 1,5-2h races with GT3s or LMPs e.g. and pit if needed for repairs or refueling. We tested it with our racing community and it works just fine. No red/blue tires anymore when exiting the pits.

Weather changes are a no-go with this approach unfortunately. But if things get fixed we should be able to use that awesome feature again.

All nice, but the fun in longer races is the strategy part. And for that tire changes are a must. Having to make so many compromises makes it pointless.
And even in a 20 lap race in the Group 5 cars it happens fairly often that you get the Harry Potter levitate bug that can roll your car and put it on its roof. It's always funny when you drive 17 laps only to strand on your roof in lap 18.

stella-stig
06-08-2015, 11:47
I just want to say that 3.0 is HUGE guys. Lots of requested updates, bug fixes, tweaks, new features.

I can't wait until you have it in your hands.

Is Ian talking about how is head is

danowat
06-08-2015, 11:49
Have you jumped over to the PS4 from the Bone Stig?

That Stella Stig isn't THE Stella Stig.

Fong74
06-08-2015, 12:26
All nice, but the fun in longer races is the strategy part. And for that tire changes are a must. Having to make so many compromises makes it pointless.
And even in a 20 lap race in the Group 5 cars it happens fairly often that you get the Harry Potter levitate bug that can roll your car and put it on its roof. It's always funny when you drive 17 laps only to strand on your roof in lap 18.

Different issues, aren't they? If you get your car destroyed (for whatever reason, be it bug or regular crash) you have at least the option to pit and continue your race with the used tires like stated before.

Should pit strategy get fixed: sure

Is real strategy with changing tires more fun: sure


I just wanted to show a way to get the best out of the title currently, when you like to do longer races online.

medse87
06-08-2015, 12:54
Different issues, aren't they? If you get your car destroyed (for whatever reason, be it bug or regular crash) you have at least the option to pit and continue your race with the used tires like stated before.

Should pit strategy get fixed: sure

Is real strategy with changing tires more fun: sure


I just wanted to show a way to get the best out of the title currently, when you like to do longer races online.


Yes, they are different problems. But both make long races pointless and annoying.

And getting the best out of the title currently means, at least for me, not doing longer races at all. I like the game and the driving is fun, but being in a race for 30 mins and more only to end it with a bug is just bad and poor quality management by the devs.

Fong74
06-08-2015, 13:25
Thats quite a binary point of view you have there....either the full package, or none. But hey, thats your opinion and Im fine with it. I am hanging out with guys in pCars with priority on longer runs, so we had to find a way to make that possible for us. Trade-offss are something we can live with atm and with the tires lasting 1,5-2h, thats ok so far for us. I understand that others want more in that respect. My take is, that I'll be very happy when strategies/setups start working as intended, which will be with the next patch hopefully.

BTW, any info on the release notes just to get BTT :p

medse87
06-08-2015, 13:32
It's not a binary view. You just seem to be happy making a lot of compromises. I would like to play the game with its full potential what we can hopefully do with patch 3.0.

Fong74
06-08-2015, 13:51
Fair enough. I did not mean to compromise you or your opinion :o

J.P.Montoya
06-08-2015, 14:06
I just hope the 3.0 update corrects the deadzone on Motion controls on PS4 and fixes the slider on AI difficulty to at least multiples of 5, then I can play on 75% difficulty for example

medse87
06-08-2015, 14:15
Fair enough. I did not mean to compromise you or your opinion :o

No worries. Maybe I sound a little harsh. But we've done a lot endurance races and tournaments already. I could finish 2 out of 5 endurance races without having a bug and rolled my BMW M3 in 3 out of 8 races (Harry Potter Levitate bug) in our tournament. So, you could say. I'm quite pissed at the moment and need the patch desperately.

LordDRIFT
06-08-2015, 14:22
This is one of my most requested features and ant understand why they removed it from the consoles? :(

When the added tandem controller support with wheels I was looking forward to this. Imagine my surprise. I haven't found a way to use the controller as a button box either; if this cant be done why did we even get tandem support?

LordDRIFT
06-08-2015, 14:24
Best advice ever. Maybe some of us want to drive longer MP races with pit stops.

I left it alone because I was hoping he was being sarcastic. Its like saying, "I don't have issues with the game because I don't play it. Have you tried not playing it? That may solve your problem".

MelBonkers
06-08-2015, 15:01
Sorry, I was posting as a general response for all platforms.

I use 'new posts' exclusively and constantly miss the specific forum...

I can say that if anything, Xbox gets slightly more out of this than other platforms. Lobbies for example :)

YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!

fabiangc
06-08-2015, 18:06
I just want to say that 3.0 is HUGE guys. Lots of requested updates, bug fixes, tweaks, new features.

I can't wait until you have it in your hands.

You should take over F1 license.

RyanLaFalce
06-08-2015, 18:49
I hope the Oval DLC has been included on this. I've been waiting for this since release.

AdM1
06-08-2015, 19:00
I hope the Oval DLC has been included on this. I've been waiting for this since release.

No DLC is separate to the Patch updates.

FS7
06-08-2015, 20:06
You should take over F1 license.
No.
Making a licensed F1 game means SMS will be limited to do only whatever FOM allows them to do, which can compromise the quality of the game.

I'd rather have SMS add all the current F1 tracks to PCars, maybe add some tracks from previous F1 seasons too.

TrevorAustin
06-08-2015, 20:06
I hope the Oval DLC has been included on this. I've been waiting for this since release.

Not been hinted at, rumoured or even mentioned so not a clue where that came from.

Liquid7394
06-08-2015, 21:23
When the added tandem controller support with wheels I was looking forward to this. Imagine my surprise. I haven't found a way to use the controller as a button box either; if this cant be done why did we even get tandem support?
It was added for photo mode and menu functionality. Would've been nice to use it as a button box. but unfortunately we can't. I just picked up a Bluetooth keyboard for £10 for extra buttons.

SkechBG
06-08-2015, 21:56
I have not heard that one yet...
I expect that pCars 1 will still be patched, and more DLC's with new tracks and cars on a regular basis..

I'm not sure where ALL THIS "no more support for pCars 1 comes from

i heard it everyware and im confused too... what must be PC1 in the future i hope we can enjoy the good game with less important bugs before pc2 comes out :) and later i hope pc2 to not bring the same bugs like this one... i know is hard work but dammm the game have a potential to smash every other in the same class specialy in consoles !!! on console we have only GT and Forza and both dont have the spirit of the PC and hes potential.. idk if you understand me but im frustrated because i like this game A LOT and every bug make me feel bad :) sorry for my bad English too... but im from Spain ... let see Patch 3.0 any news !? abut release date !?

UKpitbull
06-08-2015, 22:58
i heard it everyware and im confused too... what must be PC1 in the future i hope we can enjoy the good game with less important bugs before pc2 comes out :) and later i hope pc2 to not bring the same bugs like this one... i know is hard work but dammm the game have a potential to smash every other in the same class specialy in consoles !!! on console we have only GT and Forza and both dont have the spirit of the PC and hes potential.. idk if you understand me but im frustrated because i like this game A LOT and every bug make me feel bad :) sorry for my bad English too... but im from Spain ... let see Patch 3.0 any news !? abut release date !?

PC-DIRECTX 12=AWESOMENESS.......:cool:

The Monk
07-08-2015, 00:43
Maybe it came from here: http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?24686-Where-s-all-the-Oval-Tracks

Mr Schumacher
07-08-2015, 04:01
Mr bell.. Can we expect hopefully to receive a patch for console gamers (XB1 and PS4) that will allow us (the consumer) to have the freedom of CAMERA view adjustability.. I noticed on the PC version, you can move forward and backward and side to side on the hood cam, you can even sit the camera on th dash right behind the window.. PLEASE INCLUDE THAT AMAZING FEATURE TO BOTH PS4 and XB1.. Besides that, the game is AMAZING.. FORZA DOESENT STAND A CHANCE.. Well if we get more cars soon they won't stand a chance.. LOL.. Thanks again chewy AKA MR BELL..

Olijke Poffer
07-08-2015, 08:08
You can't tell if forza doesn't stand a change since it is not released. A Dutch member of the xboxworld.nl site was able to test drive forza 6 on gamescom and he told us the feeling of the cars is not like forza 5 but more feeling of the car on the road. We only can wait and see if Forza doesn't stand a change against Pcars.

Fong74
07-08-2015, 10:18
Fingers crossed for all Forza fans concerning the upcoming title. I must say, though, that I got no positive feedback from several GamesCom visitors on FM6 at all unfortunately. Still more a graphics demo than driving simulation. Fitted weather effects with aquaplaning that is too strong to use it for serious racing e.g. Basically no turn-around to get the title more into Forza1/2 direction. T10 continues the way they chose since FM4. Lets see what the final product offers for XBOne-Racers.

Fong74
07-08-2015, 10:19
Patch Notes v3.0 released:
http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?36676-Project-CARS-All-Platforms-Patch-3-0-Release-notes

Olijke Poffer
07-08-2015, 10:24
No sign of the save setup bug At the Xbox camp...

Bealdor
07-08-2015, 10:27
No sign of the save setup bug At the Xbox camp...

Really?



Pitting, Tuning, Setups, Strategy
* Fixed more cases where a vehicle’s default setup would not be correctly applied.
* Fixed an issue that at times caused a setup from one car to be applied to a different car.
* Ensure that the Default pitstop strategy is set to the Active one on each session start, to prevent issues with previously configured and now irrelevant strategies being active.
* Fixed an issue where, if you customized a setup that was automatically loaded from your saved setups, and then drive and return to pits, the customized setup would be lost and your setup will be reset to the previously saved setup.
* Fixed an issue in online races where the pit crew would ignore any changes made to the pit strategy once the player’s car was stationary in the pit box.

Olijke Poffer
07-08-2015, 12:27
Lol.. I missed that one indeed. Thanks for pointing... :barbershop_quartet_

Titzon Toast
07-08-2015, 12:28
That's an impressive list, it's going to improve things no end.
I had my fingers crossed that the option to disable the racing line in online lobbies would have been included though.
Compared to what SMS have done here though, it's not even close to being an issue.
This patch can't come soon enough, I can't wait!

Fong74
07-08-2015, 12:35
Let the patch come out, we'll test it, report issues (if there should be any), and once the dust hast settled a bit we can adress minor things like the racing line in lobbies etc. Valid point imo btw. But after the last patches I am very, very confident SMS will fix/change future issues reported for sure. Awesome to know there is a studio that reacts to what the users report. Im really some kind of overwhelmed by the v3.0 patch notes tbh...

Cant wait too :angel:

robdok
07-08-2015, 17:39
Still I do not see game save during the race?
When we get these all the amendments?
Even today?

AdM1
07-08-2015, 18:14
Really?

Yeah I'm hoping the fix is in there but none of those specifically address the actual tune save set up bug where it only saves A-D etc.

Maybe I'm not reading correctly but can you highlight which one represents the issue posted in this thread. http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?35792-Problem-with-saving-a-set-up-after-Patch-2-0-Xbox-One

Perhaps I'm being a retard and struggling to see it if so please reassure me but I'm still a little concerned this problem I am having may still be there after 3.0.

Flaw3dGenius
07-08-2015, 22:22
GUI – sliders throughout the game interface now supports smaller increments and decrements when changing their associated values.

Wooooooooooo finally! :cool:

Umer Ahmad
07-08-2015, 22:43
We have an official patch3.0 thread now so I'm closing this one to keep the questions/conversation in one place. Use the official thread linked in my sig below