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ZiggyUK
08-08-2015, 01:41
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Welcome to [TGC-MCE] MultiClass Experience by The Gentlemen's Club

This is a non-points league specifically designed for existing TGC members and the latest PNC members to race together in a true multiclass situation.


There are three classes involved in this multiclass series the Gr.5, Gr.A and Clio Club. There are also three driver groups.

When you register for this event you will be randomly placed into one of three groups. These groups are Alpha, Bravo & Charlie. Each week the groups rotate the classes see the calendar post below.


As it is much easier to listen and watch a video then read we should be grateful if you would watch the following promo



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Hopefully that should have wetted your taste buds and given an insight as to what this series is aimed at.






Please note that the host lobby will start at 18:30 UTC with a 15min practice a 15min qualifying and the race will begin exactly at 19:00 UTC. All races will be carried out in a 2x2 rolling start formation.



As a reminder to all : -

The ‘TGC’ events are based around bringing together like minded drivers whose values set them apart from those you may come across in Public Lobbys.

• Typical drivers are mellow, relaxed, considerate and thoughtful drivers.
• You are guaranteed a race where everybody can enjoy racing without the fear of being needlessly wrecked.
• Our members drive according to rules and common sense.
• No matter if you are alien fast or more on the slower side of the scale, we appreciate your participation and you will find people here that match your own abilities.
• Our members will always help each other out when needed and will freely provide guidance and setup assistance.

So there you have it. Contrary to belief you do not need to be an Alien or Veteran to enjoy racing in any of the TGC series. All you need to have is the correct mind-set for a fair race and respect for your fellow driver.

Ziggy UK


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ZiggyUK
08-08-2015, 01:41
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Signing up for the series is a very simple procedure. All you have to do is click on the following link and it will load up a really easy to follow form. Basically enter your name. Please do not register if you are not a TGC or PNC driver. See our [TGC-NCC] (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?21977-TGC-NCC-The-Gentlemen-s-Club-New-Comers-Club-Recruitment-OVER-SUBSCRIBED) thread first.





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For those about to ask the question: we are asking you to log you name so we know the correct amount of drivers we are likely to have which will enable us to divide the groups sensibility and calculate how many DS we shall need.

ZiggyUK
08-08-2015, 01:41
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Weeks 4 to 6 of this series ...





02 SEP 2015 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150902T1830&p0=1440&msg=%5BTGC-MCE%5D&font=hand&csz=1&swk=1)

09 SEP 2015 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150909T1830&p0=1440&msg=%5BTGC-MCE%5D&font=hand&csz=1&swk=1)

16 SEP 2015 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150916T1830&p0=1440&msg=%5BTGC-MCE%5D&font=hand&csz=1&swk=1)










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TEAM ALPHA

Gr.5

Clio

Gr.A









TEAM BRAVO

Gr.A

Gr.5

Clio









TEAM CHARLIE

Clio

Gr.A

Gr.5




future dates and tracks will be announced as and when required.



Click on the button below for the organisers Event Posters with additional details about each race as it is announced


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ZiggyUK
08-08-2015, 01:41
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To see just who has been assigned to which group then click on the link below




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We will endeavour to keep this updated as often as we can.

ZiggyUK
08-08-2015, 01:42
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Qualifying for these events will be via the in game qualifying option.


The lobby's will be open from 18:30 UTC



18:30 » 18:45 = Practice

18:45 » 19:00 = QUALIFYING

19:00 » 20:00 ± 15min = Race



Please do not expect any sympathy if you are late. If you start from the very back of the pack then it is nobody's but your own fault :D

ZiggyUK
08-08-2015, 01:42
214554 (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?36723-TGC-MCE-The-Gentlemen-s-Club-MultiClass-Experience&p=1077334&viewfull=1#post1077334)




TGC-MCE RULES & REGULATIONS


The Gentlemen’s Club follow the Rules & Regulations as set by the official FIA/MSA Blue Book and not necessarily as dictated by the game.

A car alone on the track may use the full width of the track. However, as soon as it is caught by a car which is about to lap it the driver must allow the faster driver past at the first possible opportunity. If the driver who has been caught does not seem to make full use of the rear-view mirrors, flag marshals will display waved blue flags to indicate that the faster driver wants to overtake. Any driver who appears to ignore the blue flags will be reported to the Clerk of Course.

Due to the limitations of the flags in the game the lapping car may flash his headlights a couple of times when he is within 200 metres of the car he is lapping. TeamSpeak is also an alternative depending on which TS channel the drivers are in. Lapped cars should hold their race line and it is the lapping cars responsibility to make the safe pass. The lapped car may give the lapping car the racing line should they wish when the track conditions allow this and their intention is obvious i.e. along a main straight.



Curves, as well as the approach and exit zones thereof, may be negotiated by the drivers in any way they wish, within the limits of the track. Overtaking, may be done either on the right or on the left.

Obvious rule but see below to define the ‘limits of the track’.



Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out on either the right or the left. A driver may not deliberately leave the track without justifiable reason. More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any driver moving back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off-line, should leave at least one car width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner. However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited. Any driver who appears guilty of any of the above offences will be reported to the stewards of the meeting.

Simply drive responsibly and remember you can only make one change of direction as a defensive move.



The next ruling is the easiest of rules but one that seems to get misunderstood more than any other ruling.

Drivers must use the track at all times. For the avoidance of doubt:

(a) the white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not, and;

(b) a driver will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with the track.

(c) Repetition of serious mistakes or the appearance of a lack of control over the car (such as leaving the track) will be reported to the Clerk of Course and may entail the imposition of penalties up to and including the exclusion of any driver concerned.

Should a car leave the track for any reason the driver may rejoin. However, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any advantage. A ‘Drive Through’ penalty may be imposed for any driver believed to have gained any advantage.

It is not permitted to drive any car unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers at any time.

So if you drive around any circuit than as long as you do not cross the white lines at either side of the track you “On the track”. As soon as all wheels cross over the white lines then you are classified as being “Off Track”. Drivers often believe that the kerbs are part of the track but they are not. They are there to allow you to run over them with outer set of wheels whilst keeping the inside set still in contact with the track.

Hopefully the following screenshots should help.

ON TRACK
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Hopefully the above pictures make it clear.

The worse track in the game as far as I am aware for running wide is the Imola track. If you watch this video of Radicals racing on the track you will see they never completely cross the white lines. On board from Radical UK Cup Imola round (http://youtu.be/Tec1_oHDrqE) .

Now we do not expect everyone to be perfect, that doesn’t happen in real life drivers either, but we do expect you to try and obey the rules. It’s not always easy to see the line from inside the cockpit so it may help to check some replays if you are in doubt about your lines. Minor incidents can be overlooked but blatant violations will not.

If it is found you are deliberately cutting corners, running wide etc. lap after lap to gain any kind of advantage then you will be penalised with a 30»60sec penalty to be applied to your end time.

If you lost control and ended up in the gravel, barrier, etc. and have lost time then this is not recognised as gaining an advantage and ignored.

Should either a ‘Stop-Go’ or ‘Drive Through’ penalty be imposed and notified during the last five laps, or after the end of the race or, depending on the case for duration races during the last 10 minutes, or cannot be imposed for operational reasons, an alternative time penalty of no less than 30 seconds and no more than one minute shall be added to any penalty period and the elapsed time of the car concerned.

If you do go off wider than expected you are to allow any cars that are following you to pass before re-joining, you may not block a car by coming back onto the track prematurely unless they have obviously allowed you the room to do so.

The Clerk of Course reserves the right to make any amendments to any of the above rulings per track. Where we feel that going wide at a corner is necessary in an endurance race then we shall announce this before the race and usually within the race specific Supplementary regulations document.



No competing vehicle shall be driven in the reverse direction of the track except for the minimum distance to remove it from an unexpected situation and then only under official supervision.

Obvious, but still worth mentioning.



FLAG CONDITIONS:

You are expected to drive as though flag signals are in place at all times.

The most prominent one would be at a scene of an accident. If you are following cars and they slow down because of an accident in front of them you may not use this as an opportunity to overtake. You must slow down and fall behind them going past the scene of the incident in single file. Once clear of the incident then racing may continue. Should you overtake a car under a yellow flag situation (other than the car(s) involved in the incident) you must relinquish that position back to the driver within the next 3 turns.



NON FIA/MSA RULINGS but TGC RULES & REGULATIONS:

RESET BUTTON: As much as we would like to disable the reset option it is unfair to do so due to certain game glitches.

However you are to only use the reset button as the last resort. If you are spotted pressing the reset button as soon as you left the track you will be penalised with a complete lap penalty. We appreciate at times i.e. glued to a guard rail or lying on your roof top requires the use of the reset button but it cannot be used at any other time. If you are in the gravel at a corner than it is your responsibility to drive the car back on to the track, not to just press the reset button. You may even be disqualified for unnecessary use of the reset button.

You are not allowed to use the reset button when cars are approaching your area. Please wait until the track is clear and ensure that you will not respawn directly in front of an opponent.

Remember if you have to use the reset button that the likelihood is that your race should be over anyway.

FLASHING HEADLIGHTS: You may not use your headlights as a distraction technic. Headlight flashing is reserved for lapping manoeuvres only.

SYNC BUG: If any driver is suffering from lag during the formation lap i.e. other drivers inform them of this, then please follow this procedure:-

[1] Pull over into a large gravel trap/run off area etc. away from the track. Please get as far away from the track as possible as your car still shows up on the HUD map. If you park close to the track itself others may see you as a spun car when they are racing. Be considerate.

[2] Turn off your engine (and lights when applicable). You are then able to act as a marshal at that point. You can then report any potential hazards (yellow flag), lapping situations (blue flag) or report any violations of the track limits. Alternatively you may leave the session if you so choose.
Likewise, the same applies to a driver that develops a lag issue during the race.

END OF RACE: The race is over once the Position 1 driver crosses the finish line on their final lap no matter what lap you are on. You are to continue racing in the lap you are on until you pass the S/F line.

Please do not start “chatting about your race” in TeamSpeak until all drivers have crossed the finish line.

You are *not allowed to leave the session until the game returns you to the lobby. This ensures any replays required for bug hunting or video creation contain all the correct vehicles.



INCIDENTS/ACCIDENTS: Should you knock/push/shunt another driver off of the track by your own fault then you are to slow down and wait for them to re-join the race and take back their position. This rule applies even if you are lapping another driver, every driver is to be shown the same respect and is entitled to be on the track. Your own fault does include rear ending them because they braked earlier than you did and it caught you off-guard.

Although endurance races are expected to be a non- contact sport please expect a little “push-n-shove” here and there. We do not need drivers screaming like hormonal teenagers about a little shunt that only broke their tail light and did not actually affect their race other than that. However should the stewards receive complaints of an individual constantly driving without consideration of other drivers then that driver may incur point deductions or be black flagged from the race resulting in the race points being reassigned.

You should report any incident or violation of the rules to the stewards. This can be done via the forum thread, PM a steward directly or email to ziggyuk@live.co.uk

Clerk of Course:
ZiggyUK (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/member.php?40287-ZiggyUK)

Race Director:
FlyingKman (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/member.php?109512-FlyingKman) / Photonenbert (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/member.php?82389-Photonenbert)

Stewards:
Patrick Kulinski (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/member.php?9352-Patrick-Kulinski)
Alex Hobbs (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/member.php?6884-Alex-Hobbs)
t0daY (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/member.php?81391-t0daY)


There will be a 24hr window from the race finish time in which time to make a complaint to the Stewards.

The Stewards may take up to 48hrs from receipt of any complaint to complete their investigation.

Drivers may retract their complaint at any time prior to a decision being announced but not afterwards.

Track violation penalties as advised by the Stewards can be applied immediately following any race without prejudice or delay.

Once a penalty is announced no correspondence will be entered into and the Race Director decision will be final.

ZiggyUK
08-08-2015, 01:42
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TGC-MCE STARTING PROCEDURE

Please read the following carefully. To begin with it may sound confusing but it is harder to write out than it is to do. We have been running this technic now at TGC for some time and it soon becomes very natural.

Everyone will need to have the TeamSpeak client installed. Operational microphone is not necessary but you will need to hear the race controller.

Once on the grid do not move, ignore the starting lights/sound. Sitting still on the grid at race start can create yellow flags but no penalties are applied. This will be the only time you are allowed to ignore Yellow Flags.

As we are using the in-game qualifying you will be placed on the grid in the necessary order.

The pole position leader will lead the pack at a very slow pace whilst the rest of the drivers create the formation single file snake. Once the last driver is in position he can then advise the pole leader to increase to formation lap speed. You are to leave at least one car’s length between yourself and the car in front and the maximum of 5 car lengths.

The formation lap will be carried out at max speed of 50mph/80kph unless otherwise advised by the race controller.

During the formation lap you are allowed to steer left/right to warm up your tyres but you are not allowed to perform brake checks or practice starts. At no time should you need to use your brakes. Applying the brakes means the car behind you sees your brake lights which in turn cause a concertina effect spreading out the field unnecessarily or causing prerace incidents which will result in vehicle damage.

Should you for whatever reason manage to spin out during the formation lap then you are required to wait until all the cars have passed by before re-joining the track and fall in to the rear of the pack. Do not retake your original position.

As the pole position car approaches a predetermined marker all drivers should then start forming up in a 2x2 formation. To stop any confusion the pole position driver / odd numbers will always start on the left hand side of the track. Although this would not be the case on every track I think it is easier to keep to one standard that everyone understands. Therefore the following formation should happen.

1 – 2
3 – 4
5 – 6
7 – 8


It is now advisable to get as close as possible to the car in front of you – tailgating would be the usual expression as you near the main start/finish straight.

The pole position car will continue at the formation lap speed right up to the start/finish line. As soon as the pole position driver crosses the start/finish line the race begins. The following cars can now increase their speed but must stay in a 2x2 formation right up to the S/F Line with no overtaking the car immediately in front of you. Should a driver spin out for whatever reason at this point you are to ignore their position and continue towards the S/F line unless it is unsafe to do so. You must not slow down once you have started accelerating towards the S/F line. Once you have passed the S/F line you are free to break formation and overtake.

ZiggyUK
08-08-2015, 01:42
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Gr.5

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Ford Capri Zakspeed








Group 5 rules dictated that the lines of the production model needed to be maintained above the wheel arches, the suspension layout had to be unchanged and the engine taken from a production unit in the manufacturer’s line. Aside from that… Make it wide. Make it low. Make it fast. Very fast. This gave Zakspeed team chief Erich Zakowski and Ford Europe’s Chief Engineer Thomas Ammerschalger a free brief to create a far more purebred racing car than had been allowed with the MkI, and the raked windscreen and long lines of the Capri was an ideal platform for creating a car to fight the BMWs and Porsches on the same terms.














BMW 320 Turbo








The engine is the famous 2L M12 block which was later used to power the Brabham F1 cars to their victories. Power is quoted at 650 hp @ 9,000 rpm although more was available at the twist of the boost knob. The turbo is routed through a fairly sizeable air to air intercooler. This technology was a bit new back then and was the first time that big power turbo cars were starting to emerge on to the world’s race tracks. Those who could master the tech and produce the power reliably, were the ones who converted outright speed into race wins










Gr.A

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BMW M3 E30 DTM






In 1988 the M3 was succeeded by an M3 Evo. A year later BMWs racing machine remained virtually unbeatable, engine output of 300 horsepower enabling the BMW M3 to easily outperform its touring car competitors.

The BMW M3 the went on in international touring car racing in supreme style for no less than five years. Bringing home the European Touring Car Championship several times, winning the German Touring Car Championship (DTM) twice, and scoring a number of victories and championships on an international level, the BMW M3 soon became the most successful touring car of all times









Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evo2 DTM






The Evo II had its racing debut on the North Loop of the Nürburgring in the DTM on 16 June 1990.

The touring car developed for Group A racing on the basis of this sports saloon went on to acquire legendary status. Mercedes-Benz took the first three places in the DTM championship in the 1992 season with this vehicle, which was referred to succinctly as the “Evo II”. Today, the Evo II presents a fascinating spectacle as a works racing car from Mercedes-Benz Classic competing in historic motor sport events








Clio Cup

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Renault Clio Cup Car






The Clio Cup also has a proven path to top-rung motorsport, with eight of its previous drivers having gone on to the BTCC, others progressing to GT driving or, in Rob Huff's case, to be World Touring Car champion.

Naturally the basics of the road car remain, but the 1.6-litre turbo engine has been tweaked from 197bhp/177b ft to 217bhp/199lb ft thanks to exhaust, induction and ECU tuning. The engines are sealed to prevent tampering, and the Cosworth ECU can, says Renault be read only by Renault Sport Technologies

ZiggyUK
08-08-2015, 01:42
214557 (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?36723-TGC-MCE-The-Gentlemen-s-Club-MultiClass-Experience&p=1077334&viewfull=1#post1077334)


[Q] Can I use driving aids?
[A] We set AIDS to real life within the lobby. So you will have access to any aids that are used on the real car.

[Q] Can I use an "external" view?
[A] Yes, you can.

[Q] Are custom setups allowed?
[A] Full custom setups are allowed and will be necessary anyway to increase fuel loads etc

[Q] Are we allowed to make use of pit stops?
[A] Please refer to the Supplementary Regs for each race. These will be listed in the thread and made contain mandatory pit stops within specific windows or open pit stops or no pit stops.

[Q] How to I convert UTC to my own time zone?
[A] UTC = Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the primary time standard by which the world regulates clocks and time. It is one of several closely related successors to Greenwich Mean Time (GMT). For most purposes, UTC is synonymous with GMT, but GMT is no longer precisely defined by the scientific community. This two links are going to help you:

http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx
http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/

[Q] How can I get help with my setup?
[A] An hour or two before our regular sessions and also during the weekends there are plenty of members online on our Teamspeak server. Don't hesitate to join one of the rooms and state your problems, you usually will get advice from our experienced members.

[Q] How can I learn more about setups and racing in general?
[A] A book I like to recommend is "Driving on the Edge" by Michael Krumm. is one of the best books on this topic around, especially for beginners and people that aren't native English speakers.

ZiggyUK
08-08-2015, 01:42
214784 (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?36723-TGC-MCE-The-Gentlemen-s-Club-MultiClass-Experience&p=1078149&viewfull=1#post1078149)

Once again our own beloved MelBonkers (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/member.php?80589-MelBonkers) has agreed to collect the links to everybody's race video's each week and make a collection of them here in this single post so you do not have to trawl through the thread

RACE ViDEO POST (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?36723-TGC-MCE-The-Gentlemen-s-Club-MultiClass-Experience&p=1078149&viewfull=1#post1078149)





TGC LIVERIES

The Clio Cup TGC Livery by Eugene Flerko

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t0daY
08-08-2015, 05:20
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Hello Gentlemen,

We hope you’ll enjoy our fifth race as we are going to Brno.

Team Alpha: Renault Clio
Team Bravo: Gr. 5
Team Charlie: Gr. A

Date: 9th September 2015
Practice Start: 18:30 UTC
Qualifying Start: 18:45 UTC
Race Start: 19:00 UTC

Race: 1+31 laps (Rolling Start with Formation Lap)

Ingame Time: 14:00
Time progression: 1x
Weather Forecast: Practice and qualifying are expected to be rain affected, the early stages of the race may be dry but visibility will be
limited and rain is expected to affect the later stages of the race with the conditions deteriorating as time moves on
Weather progression: 2x
Driving Aids: Real

The pole driver will lead the field through the formation lap. We are going to make the 2x2 formation after Turn 13.

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Greetings,

ZiggyUK & Hobbs & Pamellaaa & Photonenbert & FlyingKman & t0daY

falcon2081
08-08-2015, 06:13
Who did the voice in the video? Sounded sexy lol....j/k. All signed up.

Tricky
08-08-2015, 07:56
Nice work guys, looks exciting.

Will Fly
08-08-2015, 08:00
Groovy baby.
see nothing about teams, so every man for himself.:D

Topsie
08-08-2015, 08:02
Sounds great guys!

NemethR
08-08-2015, 08:04
Registered, I think, aldough I cannot see myself neither in Team A, nor B nor C on that list.
Is it updated manually, or did I do something wrong?



Also just a question, I might have missed it, but is the Ford Sierra deliberatly missing from the Group A list, or was it just forgotten?

NemethR
08-08-2015, 08:06
Who did the voice in the video? Sounded sexy lol....j/k. All signed up.

I think it's Alex Hobbs's sound :)

miagi
08-08-2015, 08:22
Hooray!
Fantastc video ^^

gift
08-08-2015, 08:22
very great idea, i gonna join in awooo!

MelBonkers
08-08-2015, 08:37
Awesome! Will definitely register! Ziggy, do you want me to collect videos after the races? I'd gladly help you with that!

javoresku
08-08-2015, 08:52
Alternatively you may leave the session if you so choose.




You are *not allowed to leave the session until the game returns you to the lobby.

Which one?

Puffpirat
08-08-2015, 09:13
Awesome video guys and great idea to get us going :) this is supposed to be longer than 3 races right? Because I'm not sure to sign up because I will miss both the first and the last race (holiday and business trip).

Tricky
08-08-2015, 09:15
Also just a question, I might have missed it, but is the Ford Sierra deliberatly missing from the Group A list, or was it just forgotten?

I don't know any more than you officially, but last I knew the Sierra was a lot faster in the straights and a bit imbalanced to the other Group A cars.

Pamellaaa
08-08-2015, 09:25
Also just a question, I might have missed it, but is the Ford Sierra deliberatly missing from the Group A list, or was it just forgotten?

As above, it is a bit unbalanced so it was left out, it also means that we have two nice classes of two cars each and a single make option in the Clios.


Registered, I think, aldough I cannot see myself neither in Team A, nor B nor C on that list.
Is it updated manually, or did I do something wrong?

It will be updated manually, if you have done the form and hit submit you are doing things right :)

NemethR
08-08-2015, 09:30
I don't know any more than you officially, but last I knew the Sierra was a lot faster in the straights and a bit imbalanced to the other Group A cars.


As above, it is a bit unbalanced so it was left out, it also means that we have two nice classes of two cars each and a single make option in the Clios.


We did 2 Gr.A races, in that I was part in.
1st was in Oulton Park
2nd at Ruapuna park

In both cases, the "all mighty" Ford Sierras were not in the top 3.
Race 1 was dominated by the BMW's, and race 2 was won by a Mercedes followed by BMW's.

I don't see how that car would be overpowered.

Also I don't care much, as I would not race that car anyway, but some maybe would. :)

On the other hand, what IS overpowered is the BMW against the Ford in Gr.5.
I am 2 seconds faster per lap on Zolder with the BMW.

While with the Gr.A cars I am within 0,3 sec of each other:

BMW M3 E30: 1:40,876
Ford Sierra RS500: 1:41,089
Mercedes 190E Evo II: 1:41,152

BMW 320 Turbo: 1:35,991
Ford Zakspeed Capri: 1:37,877

Pamellaaa
08-08-2015, 09:31
http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by ZiggyUKhttp://forum.projectcarsgame.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?p=1077339#post1077339)
Alternatively you may leave the session if you so choose.




http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by ZiggyUK http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?p=1077339#post1077339)
You are *not allowed to leave the session until the game returns you to the lobby.



Which one?

It is both, The quote about not leaving the lobby is for those who have completed the race and will therefore be in the replays throughout the race - you should never leave until the game has put everyone back in the lobby and the opportunity to save replays has passed. The quote about leaving is for if someone has lag problems at the start of the race that are going to cause issues for other drivers - in this scenario the replays won't be affected too badly as its very close to the start of the race and if they don't want to marshall they are better out of the lobby than potentially causing lag.

Besides the above this is something that will almost certainly get revisited when the new patch hits as the game will then allow us to return to pit box and retire and remain in the lobby (and therefore the replays) whilst spectating the remainder of the race, this may well make any form of marshalling much easier and will hopefully also be a good way to get footage for those wanting to create videos.

Pamellaaa
08-08-2015, 09:34
We did 2 Gr.A races, in that I was part in.
1st was in Oulton Park
2nd at Ruapuna park

In both cases, the "all mighty" Ford Sierras were not in the top 3.
Race 1 was dominated by the BMW's, and race 2 was won by a Mercedes followed by BMW's.

I don't see how that car would be overpowered.

Also I don't care much, as I would not race that car anyway, but some maybe would. :)

Both of those tracks are twisty technical tracks where a straight line advantage may not help, the tracks that we are doing for the MCE are going to be bigger tracks where a straight line speed advantage could lead to significantly faster laptimes, the Sierra also has adjustable wastegate pressure which neither of the other two have potentially offering another unfair advantage on tracks where this can be used to improve lap times.

javoresku
08-08-2015, 09:39
214551


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Alex Hobbs
08-08-2015, 11:15
Who did the voice in the video? Sounded sexy lol....j/k. All signed up.

Uhhh I made the video so thanks I guess? :P

javoresku
08-08-2015, 11:42
Is this going to be limited to just 32 participants (one full lobby)? And if not, how is the splitting of lobbies going to be handled?

t0daY
08-08-2015, 11:45
Is this going to be limited to just 32 participants (one full lobby)? And if not, how is the splitting of lobbies going to be handled?

No limitations about participants :) Just sign up and watch out what happens next wednesday :p

javoresku
08-08-2015, 11:52
No limitations about participants :) Just sign up and watch out what happens next wednesday :p

Already did, and can't wait for wednesday. I will do the first three races, maybe even the 02 SEP one, after that I am off on vacation until Oct 1st.

Battenberg
08-08-2015, 12:04
Looking very slick guys, great stuff! Looking forward to this :D

Giovtec
08-08-2015, 14:11
Right!!! let's check my name on the Team Charlie list..... :eagerness: (TEAM ALPHA) :nightmare:

well then, i guess is time to tame the beast :tongue-new:

x ImJakeyy
08-08-2015, 14:27
Signed up, now to wait and see which handful I will be driving on wednesday :p

quelus
08-08-2015, 16:41
Wooo, I'm so excited! It will be great, I've already signed up.

There's also new patch incomming with several new features:\
http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?36676-Project-CARS-All-Platforms-Patch-3-0-Release-notes

Man, the experience is getting better and better from the game side as well as from the TGC side :)))

ZiggyUK
08-08-2015, 16:53
Awesome! Will definitely register! Ziggy, do you want me to collect videos after the races? I'd gladly help you with that!

I was going to ask if you would not mind doing that assuming you wanted to be part of this. Good man :encouragement:

MelBonkers
08-08-2015, 17:10
I was going to ask if you would not mind doing that assuming you wanted to be part of this. Good man :encouragement:

Ziggy,

Could you mail me the Videos. jpg so I can make a post and you can link to that post :eagerness:

ZiggyUK
08-08-2015, 17:34
Ziggy,

Could you mail me the Videos. jpg so I can make a post and you can link to that post :eagerness:

Done :cool:

ctd
08-08-2015, 19:55
Yes! Have been waiting for this. Registred now. :D

Stevie_F
08-08-2015, 20:14
Registered :)

Puffpirat
08-08-2015, 20:32
And remember guys, with great power comes great responsibility :cool:

t0daY
08-08-2015, 20:33
And remember guys, with great power comes great responsibility :cool:

Spiiiidermaaaaaaan :D :D Btw I come back to your question few hours ago. This series wont be just 3 races. We just announced the first 3 of them :)

ZiggyUK
08-08-2015, 20:37
Just so you know - there is no strategic reason for waiting to register. The Class's rotate each week so you will be driving in all three classes over time.

Usually I prefer at least 7 > 10 days registration period but as this is a lot shorter can we please continue to get the signups registered so the organisers can sort this out for Wednesday. Remind those in TeamSpeak you see.

Alex Hobbs
08-08-2015, 21:22
Also the most recent open slot in the driver list won't be the team you're entered in, entries are staggered and time delayed to ensure max randomness ;)

Puffpirat
08-08-2015, 21:41
Btw I come back to your question few hours ago. This series wont be just 3 races. We just announced the first 3 of them :)


Just so you know - there is no strategic reason for waiting to register. The Class's rotate each week so you will be driving in all three classes over time.

Usually I prefer at least 7 > 10 days registration period but as this is a lot shorter can we please continue to get the signups registered so the organisers can sort this out for Wednesday. Remind those in TeamSpeak you see.
Thanks for the responses guys, I was a bit quick with my question. I just didn't want to occupy a spot and potentially hinder someone from racing when I can only make one of the first 3 races :)

wodm
08-08-2015, 22:11
well, enjoy guys. I cant register as i work wednesday evenings :( but, i do hope you all have a hell of a lot of fun.

ZiggyUK
08-08-2015, 22:25
Thanks Mick .. hopefully we will have something set up soon at the weekends for you :eagerness:

XiondrapoS
09-08-2015, 01:16
Wow really exciting! In fact I when I saw that mail I just had to sign up right away using my phone while being at work :)

I'm really grateful for all the hard work you organizers put in each and every week so that we members always have something going on without needing to worry about anything at all. I really appreciate all the energy and time you guys spend to come up with, test and organize all those races for us week in and week out. Everything is handled so diligently and always with the community in mind.

Thank you guys! :)

MelBonkers
09-08-2015, 10:04
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RACE 01 - 12-08-2015 - Silverstone GP

Pamellaa - Renault Clio - https://youtu.be/IMhArvQyy_k
Laurens Van Rossem - BMW M3 - https://youtu.be/tLnbn4J9AM4
Perfixalot - BMW M3 - https://youtu.be/l_VTK8caN8c
ZiggyUK - Renault Clio - https://youtu.be/2gI-bms3htE
ZiggyUK - Renault Clio - https://youtu.be/O1uyvdb3L8s
Tricky - Renault Clio - https://youtu.be/SSazZN0uHuU

soufian elamriti
09-08-2015, 13:26
somany rulez the blue part on the picture is not the track anymore clear but you can stil use it to overtake happens also in real life

t0daY
09-08-2015, 13:29
somany rulez the blue part on the picture is not the track anymore clear but you can stil use it to overtake happens also in real life

At TGC you are not allowed to use it to overtake other cars. Might be happen in RL but not in TGC. We are going after the official FIA rules and you have to be atleast with 2 wheels on track otherwise you will get a penalty or even disqualified.

Puffpirat
09-08-2015, 14:03
To add to that: what happens in real life when you overtake off track? You either give the position back or you get a penalty. See Kvyat at the Hungarian GP as a recent example.

Timmynator
09-08-2015, 17:43
Signed up :) Scrounged up a hard drive and I'm itching to race again on Wednesday.

€dit: Quick question, will the upper two classes be bound to their car choice? e.g. take out the M3 in the first race and you'll have to compete with it in every race you run in that class?

ZiggyUK
09-08-2015, 21:59
Signed up :) Scrounged up a hard drive and I'm itching to race again on Wednesday.

€dit: Quick question, will the upper two classes be bound to their car choice? e.g. take out the M3 in the first race and you'll have to compete with it in every race you run in that class?

Only when you are driving in the Clio Cup Class :) No being locked to a livery either as everyone will be rotating weekly.

Wojciech Siek
09-08-2015, 23:09
214552 (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?36723-TGC-MCE-The-Gentlemen-s-Club-MultiClass-Experience&p=1077334&viewfull=1#post1077334)



To see just who has been assigned to which group then click on the link below




214587 (http://docs.google.com/forms/d/1IWq6GpQPZaodFKXj8jaPZDEDSuLMSN8daUl9mKnGjso/viewform)


We will endeavour to keep this updated as often as we can.

This link only takes me to the question form and when submitted it won't take me to the drivers list. To which group I've been assigned to?

x ImJakeyy
10-08-2015, 00:20
This link only takes me to the question form and when submitted it won't take me to the drivers list. To which group I've been assigned to?

Seems the Google Docs link has been broken

ZiggyUK
10-08-2015, 03:09
Nope it was done intentionally.

I put a bit of fun and games up whilst the initial registrations are being done so that "no-one" has more time than anyone else to prepare.

The group lists will reappear tomorrow at some point. I have often found that sometimes a Monday morning has an increase on registrations > can't think why ... lol

Marek Haase
10-08-2015, 09:14
Nope it was done intentionally.

I put a bit of fun and games up whilst the initial registrations are being done so that "no-one" has more time than anyone else to prepare.

The group lists will reappear tomorrow at some point. I have often found that sometimes a Monday morning has an increase on registrations > can't think why ... lol

Of course, I work whole weekend so finally have some time on Monday morning to catch up with everything not work related :)

Pamellaaa
10-08-2015, 11:35
I am going to do my best to attend this Wednesday but I am still having issues with my pedals :( now that the brake is fixed (with a load cell! WOHOO!) the accelerator has stopped working properly again, I have just spoken to Thrustmaster support and they said that they can sell me 2 replacement potentiometers for my throttle (or clutch, same part) for €20 which isn't too bad at all but it isn't going to be done for a few days as the parts will take some time to arrive and then I have to figure out how to fit them. I will do some practice tonight and see if this is going to be drive-able in its current state or not, last night it was awful but it seems to be intermittent so fingers crossed. (if not I will do my best to attend as a marshall or something!)

javoresku
10-08-2015, 12:51
Nope it was done intentionally.

I put a bit of fun and games up whilst the initial registrations are being done so that "no-one" has more time than anyone else to prepare.

The group lists will reappear tomorrow at some point. I have often found that sometimes a Monday morning has an increase on registrations > can't think why ... lol

Cant stop those who want to prepare in advance - one in three practice sessions will be with the right car class.

ironik
10-08-2015, 14:13
I'm in !
Thanks Ziggy for your email ;)

t0daY
10-08-2015, 14:31
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Hello Gentlemen,

we welcome everybody to the first MCE session wuhuu :). Our first track will be Silverstone GP.

Date: 12th August 2015

Team Alpha: Group 5
Team Bravo: Group A
Team Charlie: Renault Clio Cup

Practice Start: 18:30 UTC
Qualifying Start: 18:45 UTC
Race Start: 19:00 UTC

Race: 1+30 laps (Rolling Start with Formation Lap)
Ingame Time: 15:00
Time progression: 1x
Weather Forecast: A dry afternoon is expected with patchy cloud interspersed with sunny spells throughout the race.
Weather progression: 1x

The pole driver will lead the field through the formation lap. We are going to make the 2x2 formation after turn 15 (Stowe).

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Greetings,

ZiggyUK & Hobbs & Pamellaaa & Photonenbert & FlyingKman & t0daY

MikeyTT
10-08-2015, 14:55
Registered, but typically the 1st 3 races I'm away from home :(

Nice twist with the switching of classes around each week. Should be a great deal of fun :)

Bagaz
10-08-2015, 17:21
Signed up :)
Can't wait for my first race (read cock ups) as a PNC

falcon2081
10-08-2015, 18:04
Well fellas I will not be able to make it this Wednesday and Sunday. I gotta head out of town for work. SIGH........:chargrined:

ZiggyUK
10-08-2015, 18:18
Of course, I work whole weekend so finally have some time on Monday morning to catch up with everything not work related :)

Sorry Marek, but you have to admit it is kind of funny ..... in a wicked way. As JAWS said why not practice all three anyway - there are all fun to drive :D

ZiggyUK
10-08-2015, 18:59
Team Group is Live people ... see post #5 (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?36723-TGC-MCE-The-Gentlemen-s-Club-MultiClass-Experience&p=1077337&viewfull=1#post1077337)


All vacation/holiday applications have been cancelled.

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10-08-2015, 19:28
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cluck
10-08-2015, 20:08
Best get practicing then I suppose :D.

I will be slower than usual, I'm trying to get used to life sans-Rift at the moment (still no Windows 10 drivers) and as I only have a G25, I'm short of buttons so I am going to try and avoid any close racing (I use a TH8RS shifter, which has no buttons on it at all :o).

ZiggyUK
10-08-2015, 20:23
Best get practicing then I suppose :D.

I will be slower than usual, I'm trying to get used to life sans-Rift at the moment (still no Windows 10 drivers) and as I only have a G25, I'm short of buttons so I am going to try and avoid any close racing (I use a TH8RS shifter, which has no buttons on it at all :o).

Button box time maybe ...

cluck
10-08-2015, 21:14
Button box time maybe ...I've got one, it just isn't mounted in any useful manner. I really need 3 buttons on the wheel - look left, look right and look behind - the rest I can do from the button box without trouble.

Doesn't matter though as I'll do my customary spin off at the first corner and spend the rest of the race trying to play catch up :D.

x ImJakeyy
10-08-2015, 21:43
I've got one, it just isn't mounted in any useful manner. I really need 3 buttons on the wheel - look left, look right and look behind - the rest I can do from the button box without trouble.

Doesn't matter though as I'll do my customary spin off at the first corner and spend the rest of the race trying to play catch up :D.

I need a button box or more buttons on the wheel, damn G25 only with 2 useful buttons.

cluck
10-08-2015, 22:19
I need a button box or more buttons on the wheel, damn G25 only with 2 useful buttons.I wouldn't mind if the damn shifter still worked, but that packed up ages go and I replaced it with the TH8-RS, before realising that it had no buttons on it whatsoever :(

At some point I'll replace the wheel. The pedals are starting to pack up now (throttle is a bit wayward) so I suspect I'm on borrowed time with the wheel.

I also wish I was any good at Silverstone, but try as I might, I cannot find a natural flow on it. I'll put some concerted effort in tomorrow evening. With default setup I did a 2m06 lap on my first lap in practice, after the out lap so I'd like to know what others are putting in to see where that ranks (with no changes other than ramping the boost up and adding a notch to 5th gear got me a 2m03 time in time trial).

t0daY
10-08-2015, 22:30
I need a button box or more buttons on the wheel, damn G25 only with 2 useful buttons.

Look at my signature :P Button Mod for the G25 :)

cheap alternative would be this here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/367/dp/B00CLQIFUS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439245818&sr=8-1&keywords=numpad

Pamellaaa
10-08-2015, 23:01
Its about time to start posting practice laptimes right? in Group Charlie 1 (Clios) I am seeing 2:25.0 but its far from a perfect lap, I think I could probably dip into the 2:23s with a bit more time in the setup, a working throttle pedal and less alcohol consumed. One thing is for certain though, its a brilliant car to throw around Silverstone.

Where is everyone else at?

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I feel as though i should be excluded from that because i voted for everything. Though i assume only one vote actually counted. I also assume no prize for the winner?

t0daY
10-08-2015, 23:16
Its about time to start posting practice laptimes right? in Group Charlie 1 (Clios) I am seeing 2:25.0 but its far from a perfect lap, I think I could probably dip into the 2:23s with a bit more time in the setup, a working throttle pedal and less alcohol consumed. One thing is for certain though, its a brilliant car to throw around Silverstone.

Where is everyone else at?

I did also some laptime during the making of the awesome MCE intro video. I was with default setup and messed up brake bias (because I was playing all the time with my rotarys and lost it where standard was :D) around 2:25-ish. So I think you are more than fine Pam :)



I feel as though i should be excluded from that because i voted for everything. Though i assume only one vote actually counted. I also assume no prize for the winner?

No comment... :D :D

ZiggyUK
11-08-2015, 01:15
I feel as though i should be excluded from that because i voted for everything. Though i assume only one vote actually counted. I also assume no prize for the winner?

I did notice that Twiggy .. anyway your first vote was 44 and then you did the 40,41,42,43,... etc so I took your 44.

At the moment we do not really have a winner as drivers can still sign up before Wednesday :)

ZiggyUK
11-08-2015, 01:17
Its about time to start posting practice laptimes right? in Group Charlie 1 (Clios) I am seeing 2:25.0 but its far from a perfect lap, I think I could probably dip into the 2:23s with a bit more time in the setup, a working throttle pedal and less alcohol consumed. One thing is for certain though, its a brilliant car to throw around Silverstone.

Where is everyone else at?

I think when I tested on a default with the Clio I was around 2:28 so you are fine. It was only when the tank go low that I was in the 2:25s

javoresku
11-08-2015, 03:54
Its about time to start posting practice laptimes right? in Group Charlie 1 (Clios) I am seeing 2:25.0 but its far from a perfect lap, I think I could probably dip into the 2:23s with a bit more time in the setup, a working throttle pedal and less alcohol consumed. One thing is for certain though, its a brilliant car to throw around Silverstone.

Where is everyone else at?

2:26.X for race pace, 2:25.5 for qually. Can find around half a second if I manage to put together my best sector times.
And on the acohol thing - I've found between two and three pints give me the best laptimes.

Giovtec
11-08-2015, 05:50
Is there anyone who can share a setup for the Turbo Beast or the default is a decent one? :confused:

anyways, i caught the flu :( but no matter, i will be there for sure, the only thing that can stop me now is my ISP. :/

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Neil Bateman
11-08-2015, 06:20
I need to find me a 9-5 job because right now i am missing nearly every dam race including this one.:mad:

Keithb23
11-08-2015, 06:46
I need to find a 5 - 9 job so I can start racing again, lol! I actually have this week off, but I don't think it would be fair to join, just for the one race. I might drop in and spectate, though, if that's working. I haven't tried it yet myself.:)

Blackvault
11-08-2015, 06:48
I need to find a 5 - 9 job so I can start racing again, lol!

Hello Keith, I hope you're well mate.

Keithb23
11-08-2015, 06:52
I'm very well, but awfully tired lately. We've been absolutely smashed with new car deliveries and I've been working 6 days a week, and staying late into the evening at least two nights as well. This has been going on since April and I finally told my boss I need some r&r before I'm completely burned out. I have taken my Nissan 350z out track day racing twice this summer, though, and it's been a blast. I'll post all about it in the off-topic forum.

ZiggyUK
11-08-2015, 07:21
@Keith : You can join in this Wednesday mate, we miss you Keithy baby. As Neil was supposed to be in my group (see post 5) why not take his place. Clio Cup ;p at Silverstone GP.

Nevil Wigbels
11-08-2015, 08:32
I was reluctant to sign up for various reasons, but I miss racing with you guys too much and I sure could use some practice (if I'm not too late).

I hope it's no problem that I can't participate on 19th as we have Sail 2015 here in Amsterdam next week ;)

Pamellaaa
11-08-2015, 09:08
2:26.X for race pace, 2:25.5 for qually. Can find around half a second if I manage to put together my best sector times.
And on the acohol thing - I've found between two and three pints give me the best laptimes.

Indeed there is a definite sweet spot for improved laptimes!

Will anyone be on for some practice this evening? I will be home late but will probably be up for a few laps around 9PM if there are others around.

Topsie
11-08-2015, 09:18
Indeed there is a definite sweet spot for improved laptimes!

Will anyone be on for some practice this evening? I will be home late but will probably be up for a few laps around 9PM if there are others around.
I will - need to find a way of stopping the front left overheating:)

miagi
11-08-2015, 09:26
Is there anyone who can share a setup for the Turbo Beast or the default is a decent one? :confused:

anyways, i caught the flu :( but no matter, i will be there for sure, the only thing that can stop me now is my ISP. :/

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I managed to do a 2:02.3 in the Capri @ default wastgate pressure and there is still some setup tweaks I could try. But the Capri setup is already pretty solid, just want to try it with fuel and maybe fine tune. I can post that setup today evening.

I tried the BMW first, but had trouble getting around the track with whatever I tried so I switched over to the Capri. I can revisit the BMW and try to do a setup, but I'm not sure it will work out.

Pamellaaa
11-08-2015, 09:27
I will - need to find a way of stopping the front left overheating:)

Yeah I was seeing that, I jumped into hotlap and the first lap on tyres at ideal temperatures was noticeably more grippy than after even one lap in free practice as the front left gets so hot so quickly. I have a few things I want to try out tonight setup wise so will probably try to make a bit of a session of it :)

ironik
11-08-2015, 09:41
What's the rule for the wastegate pressure by the way ?

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I think I missed something? Was this something we had to fill in the form?

ironik
11-08-2015, 09:53
It was a little game while the drivers groups were offline. ;)

Pamellaaa
11-08-2015, 10:02
What's the rule for the wastegate pressure by the way ?

I believe there is free tuning on this, if you can turn it up without blowing the engine and it improves your laptimes you should go for it. I am sure Ziggy can confirm one way or another but that is my understanding.

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11-08-2015, 10:04
Great idea, looking forward to this one!

miagi
11-08-2015, 10:20
Talked with t0daY about the wastegate pressure and he said, do what you can and like. I didn't had the impression the car needs more torque in corners!!! Actually need to go bit off throttle in some of the corners I should be able to go flat out. However, on the straights it gives an advantage. See what you can handle and then go for it and don't forget to check engine damage.

Giovtec
11-08-2015, 10:59
I managed to do a 2:02.3 in the Capri @ default wastgate pressure and there is still some setup tweaks I could try. But the Capri setup is already pretty solid, just want to try it with fuel and maybe fine tune. I can post that setup today evening.

I tried the BMW first, but had trouble getting around the track with whatever I tried so I switched over to the Capri. I can revisit the BMW and try to do a setup, but I'm not sure it will work out.

Ahhh! Well then, i will give it a go to that capri today.
Thanks! :D

NemethR
11-08-2015, 11:06
I managed to do a 2:02.3 in the Capri @ default wastgate pressure and there is still some setup tweaks I could try. But the Capri setup is already pretty solid, just want to try it with fuel and maybe fine tune. I can post that setup today evening.

I tried the BMW first, but had trouble getting around the track with whatever I tried so I switched over to the Capri. I can revisit the BMW and try to do a setup, but I'm not sure it will work out.

Thats interesting, as I cannot drive properly with the Capri, and I am 2 sec a lap faster with the BMW :D
Driving styles I think.

BumperCarrotNL
11-08-2015, 12:03
for team bravo,

i tried the BMW and the mercedes. i could not drive the mercedes at all so i tried the BMW after but i get verry high engine temps (120 degrees celcius) so i decided to short shift (instead of gearing up at 9k i now do at 8k and it seems to be okayish now but you lose about 2 seconds a lap :/) and my front left tire is overheating. i got the pressure up but it doesn't change much and now i am just having green sides and a red middle (on the indicator for tire temps in-game) and after 10 laps my tire wear on FL was 92% and all the others were about 25 % :)

i use 2.7L when short shifting at 8K so doing the race without refueling is fine (i can do about 17 laps more than the race is going to be)
but time wise without short shifting i was doing about 2:16 but i reccon i can drop that by 1-1.8 seconds tho, the engine wouldn't like that, and so i am doing 2:17:9** if i drive a quick lap.

miagi
11-08-2015, 12:25
for team bravo,

i tried the BMW and the mercedes. i could not drive the mercedes at all so i tried the BMW after but i get verry high engine temps (120 degrees celcius) so i decided to short shift (instead of gearing up at 9k i now do at 8k and it seems to be okayish now but you lose about 2 seconds a lap :/) and my front left tire is overheating. i got the pressure up but it doesn't change much and now i am just having green sides and a red middle (on the indicator for tire temps in-game) and after 10 laps my tire wear on FL was 92% and all the others were about 25 % :)

i use 2.7L when short shifting at 8K so doing the race without refueling is fine (i can do about 17 laps more than the race is going to be)
but time wise without short shifting i was doing about 2:16 but i reccon i can drop that by 1-1.8 seconds tho, the engine wouldn't like that, and so i am doing 2:17:9** if i drive a quick lap.
Well than your tire pressure is already too high. Lower the temps of the front left by managing the temps. Silverstone GP like Hockenheim is a track where most cars and tires can't go flat out all the time in a race. Luffield is a good spot to reduce the heat in the front left, that also helps for the next fast right Copse.

Have you opend the radiator duct?

Pamellaaa
11-08-2015, 12:39
Well than your tire pressure is already too high. Lower the temps of the front left by managing the temps. Silverstone GP like Hockenheim is a track where most cars and tires can't go flat out all the time in a race. Luffield is a good spot to reduce the heat in the front left, that also helps for the next fast right Copse.

Have you opend the radiator duct?

Indeed, the Clios are going to suffer with this as well, I think I had my pressures too high at the end of my testing yesterday and will simply need to find a better way to manage them with driving style.

Giovtec
11-08-2015, 12:57
Thats interesting, as I cannot drive properly with the Capri, and I am 2 sec a lap faster with the BMW :D
Driving styles I think.

what is your fast lap time? i did a little practice yesterday and i was around 2:09xx pretty sure i can lower it cuz i was practicing at night and i have to be quiet (sshhh) :sleeping: , but just to know what time are you guys recording. ;)

Pamellaaa
11-08-2015, 13:00
Seems like there is going to be around 10 seconds per lap between GR.5 and GR.A and another 10 seconds between GR.A and the Clios. Going to work out nicely and should see each of the slower two classes lapped around twice by the class ahead and the Clios around 4 times by the GR.5.

Giovtec
11-08-2015, 13:10
Seems like there is going to be around 10 seconds per lap between GR.5 and GR.A and another 10 seconds between GR.A and the Clios. Going to work out nicely and should see each of the slower two classes lapped around twice by the class ahead and the Clios around 4 times by the GR.5.

as long as your pedals are in the mood to race, you will see me overtaking you at least once :p

Pamellaaa
11-08-2015, 13:12
as long as your pedals are in the mood to race, you will see me lapping you at least once :p

There were ok-ish last night, I have calibrated them to ignore the last 10% of travel, they are still very jumpy but I think it will be driveable, very glad I am in the Clio and not the Gr.5 for this though, fingers crossed the new pots arrive this week and I can get them fitted and tested at the weekend :)

javoresku
11-08-2015, 13:19
and the Clios around 4 times by the GR.5.

That makes it a 1+26 laps race for the Clio. Around 56-58l of fuel for the distance( I am getting 2.2l/lap rounded up for safety). Should not be a problem for tires to last if you stop around lap 13-15.

Pamellaaa
11-08-2015, 13:23
That makes it a 1+26 laps race for the Clio. Around 56-58l of fuel for the distance( I am getting 2.2l/lap rounded up for safety). Should not be a problem for tires to last if you stop around lap 13-15.

Yeah something similar to what I am seeing although I haven't done any long tyre life runs yet. I was seeing a lot of degradation (~10% after 2-3 laps) on the front left so I may have a play around with a two stop low fuel aggressive strategy as an alternative as this will be a little bit more flexible in the event of an unscheduled stop to repair any damage.

Keithb23
11-08-2015, 14:32
@Keith : You can join in this Wednesday mate, we miss you Keithy baby. As Neil was supposed to be in my group (see post 5) why not take his place. Clio Cup ;p at Silverstone GP.

Well you've twisted my rubber arm, Ziggy! Clio it is. Guess I'll have to get that dash ready now, eh? Now where have I put my steering wheel....oh, and I need to find my shifter too...looks around muttering under his breath and wanders off... :)

Edit:
Done! Registered for the race. Looking forward to tomorrow.

Timmynator
11-08-2015, 14:51
I'm a bit confused by our race duration: 60 min +- 15min?

Does that mean we should gear up for a 60 min race with 15 extra in case we have to restart the whole thing once or twice?

That would make it:
1+ 29ish laps for Gr 5
1+ 27ish laps for Gr A
and
1+ 26ish laps for Clio

at an assumed 2:05/2:15/2:25 per lap for the respective classes.

Or am I being too conservative?

javoresku
11-08-2015, 14:55
I'm a bit confused by our race duration: 60 min +- 15min?

Does that mean we should gear up for a 60 min race with 15 extra in case we have to restart the whole thing once or twice?

That would make it:
1+ 29ish laps for Gr 5
1+ 27ish laps for Gr A
and
1+ 26ish laps for Clio

at an assumed 2:05/2:15/2:25 per lap for the respective classes.

Or am I being too conservative?
Race duration is 1+30 laps. That is for the turbo beasts. Around 1+28 for the Gr.A, and around 1+26 for the Clios.




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Tricky - always the optimist :D

Just checked the driver groups. Ziggy, please, close the registrations as i am the only one to put my chips on 53.

Pamellaaa
11-08-2015, 14:56
I'm a bit confused by our race duration: 60 min +- 15min?

Does that mean we should gear up for a 60 min race with 15 extra in case we have to restart the whole thing once or twice?

That would make it:
1+ 29ish laps for Gr 5
1+ 27ish laps for Gr A
and
1+ 26ish laps for Clio

at an assumed 2:05/2:15/2:25 per lap for the respective classes.

Or am I being too conservative?

It will be slightly different at each track dependent on conditions and race length, this race is 1+30 which will be a little bit over an hour for GR.5 and therefore everyone else as well. At some tracks we might pick a comparatively low lap count that will give us around 45 minutes of race and at others we might have higher lap counts leading to 75 minute races, essentially they will all be approximately an hour :)

XiondrapoS
11-08-2015, 14:58
I might struggle to make it to the first as I just found out that there's a work BBQ tomorrow afternoon. Hope I'll be able to get home in time and find some time to practice before that :S

miagi
11-08-2015, 15:03
I'm a bit confused by our race duration: 60 min +- 15min?

Does that mean we should gear up for a 60 min race with 15 extra in case we have to restart the whole thing once or twice?

That would make it:
1+ 29ish laps for Gr 5
1+ 27ish laps for Gr A
and
1+ 26ish laps for Clio

at an assumed 2:05/2:15/2:25 per lap for the respective classes.

Or am I being too conservative?
I havn't tested with full fuel but I expect my avg pace in Group 5 to be in 2:03 or faster. But that is without pit stop and with smooth lapping. Something between 61 and 65 minutes of racing it should be.

t0daY
11-08-2015, 15:17
I'm a bit confused by our race duration: 60 min +- 15min?

Does that mean we should gear up for a 60 min race with 15 extra in case we have to restart the whole thing once or twice?

That would make it:
1+ 29ish laps for Gr 5
1+ 27ish laps for Gr A
and
1+ 26ish laps for Clio

at an assumed 2:05/2:15/2:25 per lap for the respective classes.

Or am I being too conservative?

Have a closer look to our poster timmy :) Race duration will be 1+30 as mentioned in the poster :) The times are just numbers for you that you know +- how long the race will be :)

** http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?36723-TGC-MCE-The-Gentlemen-s-Club-MultiClass-Experience&p=1079216&viewfull=1#post1079216 **

ZiggyUK
11-08-2015, 16:02
Great to see Nevil and Keith back here > we missed you guys. No problem about the 19th Nevil or whatever it was

ZiggyUK
11-08-2015, 16:03
I think I missed something? Was this something we had to fill in the form?

Just a bit of fun mate > you know me :D

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11-08-2015, 16:07
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For the summer months when everyone's on holiday this is a good sign-up


It's Herbie Time again


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZqxunZNxyQ

ZiggyUK
11-08-2015, 16:08
I believe there is free tuning on this, if you can turn it up without blowing the engine and it improves your laptimes you should go for it. I am sure Ziggy can confirm one way or another but that is my understanding.

Yep wastegate > do what you want ... if you blow the engine it is your own fault so no fits of rage over TeamSpeak.

ZiggyUK
11-08-2015, 16:14
I'm a bit confused by our race duration: 60 min +- 15min?

Hi Timmy, we are hosting a 60min race but as I cannot guarantee that a race with it's formation lap will be exactly 3,600 seconds and that there are people that nit pick I thought having a 15min leeway covers my arse. Also some tracks may run that tiny bit longer later on in the series due to weather conditions etc.

Aim for a 60min Race each week though but if we are not over the s/f at precisely 20:00UTC I am not responsible for your dinner ending up in the oven/dog/whatever.

Timmynator
11-08-2015, 16:21
Have a closer look to our poster timmy :) Race duration will be 1+30 as mentioned in the poster :) The times are just numbers for you that you know +- how long the race will be :)


Aargh, that's what I get for not looking properly. All the info is there and I just didn't see it ;)

Thanks for the clarification, guys.

t0daY
11-08-2015, 16:58
Aargh, that's what I get for not looking properly. All the info is there and I just didn't see it ;)

Thanks for the clarification, guys.

No problem.. its hard to find the post because our threads are so alive :p

ironik
11-08-2015, 17:09
T0day, who are you from WMD? :chuncky::chuncky:

Nevil Wigbels
11-08-2015, 17:28
Great to see Nevil and Keith back here > we missed you guys. No problem about the 19th Nevil or whatever it was

Team Charlie 1 :yes: Clio :yes: sweet :) Thanks Ziggy!

Twiggy145
11-08-2015, 17:52
I did notice that Twiggy .. anyway your first vote was 44 and then you did the 40,41,42,43,... etc so I took your 44.

At the moment we do not really have a winner as drivers can still sign up before Wednesday :)

It was also a test to see if you were paying attention :D

MelBonkers
11-08-2015, 18:11
Need to test the Group A cars. What to choose? I like the 190 EVO II for the looks, but is it faster? The M3 looks agile and nimble. Need to do some testing tomorrow!

ZiggyUK
11-08-2015, 18:14
@Twiggy: I am always paying attention ... whether I give a sh*t or not is something completely different :D

just joking guys .... love you all really and all contributions you make are taken into consideration.. Anyway I would not go to all that trouble of creating a form to not look at the results :D

BumperCarrotNL
11-08-2015, 19:06
Well than your tire pressure is already too high. Lower the temps of the front left by managing the temps. Silverstone GP like Hockenheim is a track where most cars and tires can't go flat out all the time in a race. Luffield is a good spot to reduce the heat in the front left, that also helps for the next fast right Copse.

Have you opend the radiator duct?



ye seems like i have to...

ye i opened my radiator to 100%

but i can't get good temps in for the brakes they're always to low, got that down to 0% already. with brake pressure at 95% and something around 60% at the front and 40% in the back

does anyone know how i can get the temp of my FL tire down without highering pressure and/or driving 'slower' through taxing corners but have the FR tire at about the same temp?

Tricky
11-08-2015, 19:08
At the moment we do not really have a winner as drivers can still sign up before Wednesday :)

Ha, and you counted me out so quickly...:wink-new:

Laurens Van Rossem
11-08-2015, 19:59
I wont be able to get any practice in, what's the best setup in the database for group A?

BumperCarrotNL
11-08-2015, 20:09
well.. i am not good at setups and this car/track combo seems pretty tough but i can sent you the pics of my setup. you will have to take it easy in 2 corners, luffield and stowe.
you at least don't have too much tire wear and you won't overheat your engine if you keep the enige below 8K RMP. i will sent the pics in a bit.

BumperCarrotNL
11-08-2015, 20:19
sorry for doing it this way... it was the easiest way and i am sure it's okayish :)

https://gyazo.com/a674cdade9b2f01a57095f88b5895ceb
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This is for the BMW!

Pamellaaa
11-08-2015, 21:27
Well another 15 laps in the Clio has seen a low fuel run drop into the 2:23s, I think this is achievable in Qualifying (assuming a clean and traffic free lap) but I suspect race pace will be low-mid 24s for the majority.

ironik
11-08-2015, 22:12
Hey guys!
I have a weird problem with the BMW 320: Around the 7th lap my car is having a really weird behavior. The braking is very unstable and the direction is wandering a bit in straight.
As soon as I have a contact or a spin, the car behavior is back to normal.
Any idea where it could come from ?

Cheers!

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11-08-2015, 23:04
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Photonenbert
11-08-2015, 23:33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjtIO8Ifrsw
"From the people who didnt bring you Lethal Weapon" :D


thanks to miagi Im now able to achieve 2:02:4 in the Ford Capri Zakspeed. ;)

SillySausage
12-08-2015, 01:58
Hey guys!
I have a weird problem with the BMW 320: Around the 7th lap my car is having a really weird behavior. The braking is very unstable and the direction is wandering a bit in straight.
As soon as I have a contact or a spin, the car behavior is back to normal.
Any idea where it could come from ?

Cheers!

I'm no expert but sounds like a tire temperature issue. Keep an eye on your temps because they may be dropping too low and causing instability then heating back up after the friction of a spin. I may be completely wrong but the symptoms sound similar to tire temperature issues I've had in the past.

miagi
12-08-2015, 03:02
I tried to make the BMW 320 Turbo work, but it still looks odd to me. It's also so different to the Capri. With that setup I made I hit a 2:01.9 in TT (waste gate pressure 2.4 bar like on the Capri). Then I tired it with full fuel and found that the car is easier to drive off limit than the Capri, besides the understeer mid-corner that sometimes causes the car to go wider than expected. On the limit it is much less predictable than the Capri imo. In the test session in lap 8 I picked up an oscillating force in the steering wheel, in lap 9 I was so bad that it made the car unstable on braking. Profiler only shows about 1% wear per lap. I went into the pits, got new tires and the car stopped wandering around down the straight. Also it picked up the pace quite noticeable after I changed tires. In the longer run with fuel I also noticed that my rear tires went for quite a bad heat cycle, mainly going up up up. The setup I post below, has increased rear tire pressure, but it's untested. Over that longer run I picked up 1,8% engine damage per lap, so the car might end up at 54% engine damage after 30 laps!
Handling wise, the lean in corners is quite big even with stiff suspension and stiff sway bars. Also the dive on braking is really huge. Seems like the car has a pretty high CoG.
I have trouble understanding that car, and driving it too. Not sure if my setup is worth anything, but maybe someone can use it as a starting point.

Add, something I found on the BMW suspension (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?36934-BMW-320-Turbo-Gr5-Spring-Travel).

BMW 320 T Setup (http://projectcarssetups.eu/#/viewsetup/27354423)

Before I did a longer run with the Capri. It is much more challenging off limit, but more comprehensible on the limit. I also drove it with 2.4 Waste Gate Pressure, pace is quite close and top speed too, but the Capri is better on Engine Damage, Tire Temps and Tire Wear. Well actually by numbers the tires on the BMW are easily good enough for 30 laps, but numbers are pointless when the car starts to wander left and right after 7 or 8 laps. And also the Capri should be able to do 30 laps with one tank of fuel, only just but with a little bit of fuel saving it should work. Pitting without fuel costs about 37 seconds and refuelling is quite slow :P
Comparing the two runs I did, in the first 7 laps pace was exactly the same, made a little mistake with the Capri in lap 4, made on in the BMW in lap 6, that was pretty much the only thing that create a gap between those two. So at the end of lap 7 before the last corner they were dead even. Then the BMW took the last corner better as it always does, and run into the oscillating force in lap 8. The pace dropped and the Capri pulled away 2 seconds per lap. Then I pitted and for the last few laps I did, pace was very even again.

Here is the Capri setup (http://projectcarssetups.eu/#/viewsetup/50166747), but please give the BMW a chance and test it.


A little add on:

http://youtu.be/WzRUoZgUmFQ

ironik
12-08-2015, 08:02
Well actually by numbers the tires on the BMW are easily good enough for 30 laps, but numbers are pointless when the car starts to wander left and right after 7 or 8 laps. And also the Capri should be able to do 30 laps with one tank of fuel, only just but with a little bit of fuel saving it should work. Pitting without fuel costs about 37 seconds and refuelling is quite slow :P
Comparing the two runs I did, in the first 7 laps pace was exactly the same, made a little mistake with the Capri in lap 4, made on in the BMW in lap 6, that was pretty much the only thing that create a gap between those two. So at the end of lap 7 before the last corner they were dead even. Then the BMW took the last corner better as it always does, and run into the oscillating force in lap 8. The pace dropped and the Capri pulled away 2 seconds per lap. Then I pitted and for the last few laps I did, pace was very even again.


This is really interesting Miagi!
I have the same exact problem with the BMW.
I'm starting to think that there is a bug hidden somewhere as when the car start wandering and being instable while braking, if I have a contact or if I make a big spin, the wandering goes away and the car is much much more stable again.

Weird!

I think I'm gonna go with the capri as there are so many let down with the BMW... :hopelessness:


I'm no expert but sounds like a tire temperature issue. Keep an eye on your temps because they may be dropping too low and causing instability then heating back up after the friction of a spin. I may be completely wrong but the symptoms sound similar to tire temperature issues I've had in the past.

Thanks but I don't think it's a heat problem. I didn't notice big heat change in tires... Always around 85-90°c

Hellbringer
12-08-2015, 08:32
Now at 53 Drivers


I'm confused, is that the current entry list? I don't see my name on it but I do see it on the 1st page links to click. Have I missed something?

Pamellaaa
12-08-2015, 08:46
I'm confused, is that the current entry list? I don't see my name on it but I do see it on the 1st page links to click. Have I missed something?

Its not the entry list, that is available in one of the first 10 posts that Ziggy put up, that list is everyones guesses for how many total signups we will have before the race!

Hellbringer
12-08-2015, 09:40
Ok right, gotcha!

Laurens Van Rossem
12-08-2015, 11:03
Need to test the Group A cars. What to choose? I like the 190 EVO II for the looks, but is it faster? The M3 looks agile and nimble. Need to do some testing tomorrow!

I had a look at the leaderboards and the M3 is way faster, about 1:10 a lap, but 2:12 for the 190.

Timmynator
12-08-2015, 11:58
Question is, will the M3 be the faster one in our hands, too? Usually the LBs are pretty indicative of a car's comparative speed but from the data that's been posted here, people don't seem to match the LB times so far.
Also keep in mind that LB times are probably set with a fast-lap setup instead of a full-race setup, e.g. low fuel and tuning the car to be good for just 1 lap (closed radiators & ducts, that kind of thing).

Of course it might be that all the really fast drivers just haven't said anything to come out swinging tonight...

That said, I'll be joining in the Merc.

ironik
12-08-2015, 12:06
I tested the group A a bit and I'm faster in the merc (Almost no tuning except rear aero. I was first in the leaderboard when I tried it)

Haha Laurens, I got it now ^^ 1:10, I thought it was a typo and you meant 2:10 ;) ;)

Timmynator
12-08-2015, 13:03
No rear aero on the Merc? You're brave ;)

ironik
12-08-2015, 13:41
No rear aero on the Merc? You're brave ;)

Haha no I decreased it to two IIRC. ;)

MelBonkers
12-08-2015, 13:58
I had a look at the leaderboards and the M3 is way faster, about 1:10 a lap, but 2:12 for the 190.

Laurens,

Thanx mate! I'm sure you mean a lap with the M3 is 2:10 and the Merc is 2:12....otherwise it's a minute faster ;-). But if everybody goes in the Merc, then maybe I got a chance of.......finishing on the podium LOL! As I still haven't done 1 meter of practicing I'm going to do the only sensible way of choosing between the two........rock-paper-scissors LOL! But I guess I'll go with the M3 ;-).

BumperCarrotNL
12-08-2015, 14:14
I had a look at the leaderboards and the M3 is way faster, about 1:10 a lap, but 2:12 for the 190.


I tested the group A a bit and I'm faster in the merc (Almost no tuning except rear aero. I was first in the leaderboard when I tried it)

Haha Laurens, I got it now ^^ 1:10, I thought it was a typo and you meant 2:10 ;) ;)


Laurens,

Thanx mate! I'm sure you mean a lap with the M3 is 2:10 and the Merc is 2:12....otherwise it's a minute faster ;-). But if everybody goes in the Merc, then maybe I got a chance of.......finishing on the podium LOL! As I still haven't done 1 meter of practicing I'm going to do the only sensible way of choosing between the two........rock-paper-scissors LOL! But I guess I'll go with the M3 ;-).

it says on the leaderboard which you see when setting up a practice sesion, the fastest lap done in the BMW is 1:10....... (group A BMW)

Laurens Van Rossem
12-08-2015, 14:16
Does anyone know what the fuel conumption on the M3 is?

SillySausage
12-08-2015, 14:23
Does anyone know what the fuel conumption on the M3 is?

Can't remember exact numbers but default fuel load of 90L I think was basically spot on for the race duration.

DrKabel
12-08-2015, 16:48
Guys I'll not be here for the race, there's always something that gets in the way :( Have fun!

Laurens Van Rossem
12-08-2015, 16:48
Not to show of my insane pace, but I can almost keep up with ai at 90... I must be doing something terribly wrong :s

TheDoctor46
12-08-2015, 17:21
Guys I'll not be here for the race, there's always something that gets in the way :( Have fun!
+1, sorry guys :dejection:

Marek Haase
12-08-2015, 17:37
I will practice a little bit now...

I see that Elmo is prepared to give us a lesson:
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ironik
12-08-2015, 17:50
Guys in alpha groups, don't use the BMW 320, there is something buggy with it...

Marek Haase
12-08-2015, 18:07
Due to unforeseen problems I might not be able to join you.

TeamSpeak has decided not to work any more for me.

Giovtec
12-08-2015, 20:11
not good, i almost flip my table, my connection was interrupted right on my 29th "ish" lap:(

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Stevie_F
12-08-2015, 20:16
Post Race Results (DQ on last corner due to not enough fuel saving. Would of been classed as 1st otherwise :()214949214950

Timmynator
12-08-2015, 20:18
That was an amazing race, apart from the Dip'n'Flip that cought my Merc on lap 21. Put me down into 3rd in class from 1st behind Hobbs and Papa H. Both of them then did me the favor of spinning out / puncturing their tire which gave me an opportunity to reclaim 1st in class and finish. Yay, my first TGC multiclass class victory :)

Big thanks also to Laurens for giving me an amazing fight for the first 10(?) laps - I don't think we were ever more than .5 sec apart.

I'm still sweating like a pig :D

Laurens Van Rossem
12-08-2015, 20:18
another crap race on a POS game. 2 * dip nd flip, 1 * alttab bug, 2 *massive lag spikes causing a spin, 1 * Random suspension damage...
Would have been an easy win (no disrespect, but tbh I was just playing around, was doing 2:12lows after..)

I don't know what the Group5 cars were doing at the start, but i'm not a punching bag and you shouldn't blame me after I get hit a quintillion times and pushed way off lane... (race start at 20m)

Anyway, here's the video, first 10 laps are close racing with natornator (http://www.twitch.tv/unicorn__plays/v/10661167)

I know a lot has been said about hating on the coders who put a lot of effort in, but having these bugs months after a delayed launch is a pure management issue...

edit:
Oh and also: 3 cars stuck on the grid? what is this? a first time making a game by 8 year olds??
I love the game and all, but the fact that the devs are even thinking about pcars2, and expecting people to invest in it while the current game is still a massive turd is just disrespectful to the community.

x ImJakeyy
12-08-2015, 20:23
Very fun race tonight in Lobby 2, me and Yera within 1-3 seconds the whole race until 2 laps to go when I had to make a splash and go, and then had the blackscreen/alttab bug, always get it in corners that bug for some reason.

But overall amazing race guys!

Twiggy145
12-08-2015, 20:25
Amazing Racing Group 1. Racing with Mo at the start until there was an incident with me, Mo and Sausage (Which was no ones fault). Fought my way back to 2nd in class 20 seconds behind Mark. There were some issues (Land Mines) which enabled me to overtake Mark for the Class Lead and kept it.

My First Victory. Loved fighting back from the back.

Mo, Great quali, piped my by 0.5 seconds(ish).

Overall great racing, shame about the bugs.

Replay is useless as some cars are invisible (No one left before end of session) and most of the Group A's showed up as Clios.

Can't wait for next week.

javoresku
12-08-2015, 20:27
Clean race for me in the Clio. No offtracks, no contact for 27 laps and I didn't finish last. After the finish the AI driver decided to run out of fuel trying to do the whole race distance instead of going back to the pits and got me a DQ. I don't remember my exact finish position, but I was behind Nevil and in front of Topsie.

t0daY
12-08-2015, 20:28
another crap race on a POS game. 2 * dip nd flip, 1 * alttab bug, 2 *massive lag spikes causing a spin, 1 * Random suspension damage...
Would have been an easy win (no disrespect, but tbh I was just playing around, was doing 2:12lows after..)

I don't know what the Group5 cars were doing at the start, but i'm not a punching bag and you shouldn't blame me after I get hit a quintillion times and pushed way off lane... (race start at 20m)

Anyway, here's the video, first 10 laps are close racing with natornator (http://www.twitch.tv/unicorn__plays/v/10661167)

I know a lot has been said about hating on the coders who put a lot of effort in, but having these bugs months after a delayed launch is a pure management issue...

edit:
Oh and also: 3 cars stuck on the grid? what is this? a first time making a game by 8 year olds??
I love the game and all, but the fact that the devs are even thinking about pcars2, and expecting people to invest in it while the current game is still a massive turd is just disrespectful to the community.

Calm down Laurens :O ... Everybody knowing the issues, a big patch is coming soon... After every race complaining about every bug helps nobody...

Sorry to hear that your race went so bad :(

Photonenbert
12-08-2015, 20:29
Results from Race 1

I had zero issues with overlapping you guys so well done there :)



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NemethR
12-08-2015, 20:32
Not a good race for me :(

I was way too slow anyway, but had an issue, that after a few laps, my car started to move from left to right to left to right, this happened to me 2 times,
so had to pit 2 times, and at the beginning I spun, and ended up in the middle of the Gr.A field, tried to pass the guys so that I don't get into their fight, so I tried to use the run-off area, for that I got 15 sec slowdown...

Ahh, well, maybe next time it will be better.

Congrats to: Photon, Twiggy, and Pam :)

NemethR
12-08-2015, 20:33
Results from Race 1

I had zero issues with overlapping you guys so well done there :)



Delilah actualy finished 2nd or 3rd, but run out of fuel on the inlap.
I was 5th, and Morituri was 4th

cluck
12-08-2015, 20:33
My first race in a couple of weeks and my first without the Rift for nearly a year. My apologies for some lack of calls, I forgot I had my mic turned off on quite a few occasions. Wasn't sure how I finished 2nd but had my pit garage not been before the S/F straight, I would have been DQ for lack of fuel - I only realised right at the last moment that I was down to 0.5L :o.

I made a few stupid mistakes, but happy with my fastest laptime (I set 2 consecutive laps at 2m03s) on what was almost a stock setup - all I did was drop the rear wing one notch and add an extra notch to 5th gear.

EDIT : Ah, so Delilah ran out of fuel, that explains why I was bumped up to 2nd. I'm more than happy for Delilah to have 2nd and me 3rd :).

Nevil Wigbels
12-08-2015, 20:37
I had a great race with Twisted in the Clio, so much fun and intense at the same time! I'm totally wasted but it was worth it :) Some guys were asking for upload the replay file, so here it is (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0-K3IPEk4FIdUJ1WFItTEloQ0U/view?usp=sharing)

Laurens Van Rossem
12-08-2015, 20:41
Calm down Laurens :O ... Everybody knowing the issues, a big patch is coming soon... After every race complaining about every bug helps nobody...

Sorry to hear that your race went so bad :(

Well we had those big patches 2.5 times... It's just getting really annoying that we haven't had a bug free race in years.. Instead they focus on airplanes, dlc and pcars2...

Timmynator
12-08-2015, 20:43
Would have been an easy win (no disrespect, but tbh I was just playing around, was doing 2:12lows after..)


That's like saying "no offense, but you didn't deserve any of that". Low blow, offense taken. If you've got something to prove, do it on the track.

TwistedNav
12-08-2015, 20:43
So good to be racing with real people again, I've been absent for a while, and I apologise - there are lots of names I don't recognise, but the racing is as clean and respectful as it always was. What a race to come back with too. Myself and Nevil were within half a second of each other for the last ten laps. My mirrors full of blood-thirsty Clio. I really thought I'd bested him, but he pulled off a spectacular overtake on the last corner and we crossed the line side by side with Nevil taking it by a bumper - the best racing I've ever experienced online! Huge respect to Nevil - I was so proud of my overtake down the inside at the hairpin, but he saved up the piece de resistance until the very last moment. Utterly enthralling. So looking forward to the next outing. TGC really does encapsulate what racing should be about :-)

Forgive my ignorance, but how do I watch the replay?

t0daY
12-08-2015, 20:44
Well we had those big patches 2.5 times... It's just getting really annoying that we haven't had a bug free race in years.. Instead they focus on airplanes, dlc and pcars2...

Can not agree with you. You should know better that different teams working on different projects. I know its frustrating but its really not helping...

But again, they are not forgetting pcars1, in fact their patch support is more than amazing (and I know this should be all ingame at first place but it is how it is...)

Lets hope for a better race next week with the new patch :)

Gopher04
12-08-2015, 20:46
Just wondering guys, people going on about lag problems, it always seems that maybe half dozens people are recording the race, surely this is going to use alot of bandwidth, and not help the problem..

MelBonkers
12-08-2015, 20:48
Well, what a race! I was not so well prepared and had done two laps just before the official practise started. I chose the BMW M3 and I guess that was a good choice. Did 2m13s8 in quali and was really comfortable with default setup. At the start I just couldn't hear my engine over the roaring engines of the Capri's in front of me and blew my start. Twiggy had a great start and I chased him during the first two laps, which were AWESOME and promised a great and close race. Then Twiggy spun in lap 3 I guess and me thinking about the incident left me spinning coming out of Luffield. This damaged my car and I had to let the whole field pass through. I went straight into the pits and repaired the damaged and got new tires. The first complete lap after I exited the pits I did my fastest lap of the race 1m14s0. Then I knew I could fight my way back to the podium and maybe even for a win. I started working my way through the field until I got 8th place and was about 20 seconds behind Twiggy. Then my car flipped upside down going through turn 5. After a couple of rolls I ended up on my wheels but couldn't move as my left rear tire was on the straight. So there you go. A race which I was confident I could fight for the win.......blown to shreds :-S. But hey that's racing! And thanks Nevil for asking if I was ok :eagerness: . Looking at how this race went I'm looking forward to next Wednesday and hopefully will be more lucky than today.

Thanks to all for a great race and see you soon on track!

t0daY
12-08-2015, 20:49
Just wondering guys, people going on about lag problems, it always seems that maybe half dozens people are recording the race, surely this is going to use alot of band width, and not help the problem..

If you record for example with shadowplay or dxtory you are not using any bandwidth at all. Streaming could be an issue (like twitch streaming etc...) but not recording on to your HDD :)

x ImJakeyy
12-08-2015, 20:49
Well we had those big patches 2.5 times... It's just getting really annoying that we haven't had a bug free race in years.. Instead they focus on airplanes, dlc and pcars2...

I'm sorry but pCARS 1 is getting a MASSIVE patch in the next few days and yet you can say they've given up and focusing on pCARS2, Red Bull Air Race and DLC.....

Red Bull Air Race is a different team, DLC guys can't patch bugs, and well pCARS 2 is very minor guys who again aren't needed to patch bugs.

Twiggy145
12-08-2015, 20:49
Just wondering guys, people going on about lag problems, it always seems that maybe half dozens people are recording the race, surely this is going to use alot of band width, and not help the problem..

Recording won't use any bandwidth, However you may be referring to twitch streaming which will. Recording my use some CPU but should affect the game too much. :D

cluck
12-08-2015, 20:51
Just wondering guys, people going on about lag problems, it always seems that maybe half dozens people are recording the race, surely this is going to use alot of band width, and not help the problem..Unless I'm wrong, I can't see it using any more internet bandwidth than they are using to play as normal - the recording software is only recording what's being displayed onscreen after all :).#

EDIT : Dammit, mega ninja'd :o.

MelBonkers
12-08-2015, 20:51
Twisted mate good to have you back! And that goes for Nevil and Keith as well! Good you guys are back!
So good to be racing with real people again, I've been absent for a while, and I apologise - there are lots of names I don't recognise, but the racing is as clean and respectful as it always was. What a race to come back with too. Myself and Nevil were within half a second of each other for the last ten laps. My mirrors full of blood-thirsty Clio. I really thought I'd bested him, but he pulled off a spectacular overtake on the last corner and we crossed the line side by side with Nevil taking it by a bumper - the best racing I've ever experienced online! Huge respect to Nevil - I was so proud of my overtake down the inside at the hairpin, but he saved up the piece de resistance until the very last moment. Utterly enthralling. So looking forward to the next outing. TGC really does encapsulate what racing should be about :-)

Forgive my ignorance, but how do I watch the replay?

Laurens Van Rossem
12-08-2015, 20:55
That's like saying "no offense, but you didn't deserve any of that". Low blow, offense taken. If you've got something to prove, do it on the track.

That's not what I meant, you did deserve it. I was right on your bumper for 20 minutes and you didn't screw up. The reason I'm so mad is that I think I've proven myself plenty of times, and now this game makes me look like an idiot with a bunch of excuses for being last..

ZiggyUK
12-08-2015, 21:02
@Laurens: This sort of attitude is not befitting a TGC member and as such I will not tolerate your offensiveness to both the other drivers and the development team.

As Timmy pointed out above, your comment is totally disrespectful towards your fellow drivers. Also TGC has worked close and hard with SMS so insulting them is also insulting a good deal of us.

Until such time as we see an improvement I shall be removing your club status.

quelus
12-08-2015, 21:07
Results from Race 1

I had zero issues with overlapping you guys so well done there :)



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Oh I was second and it DQed me on AI lap just before the pit entry lol.

Was like 40 secs behind Photorobert.

Fun race guys, thanks.

Oh ye and Cluck almost got me, but theres was some overlapping issue with someone i guess.

Nevil Wigbels
12-08-2015, 21:09
Forgive my ignorance, but how do I watch the replay?

Well, first you have to place the .med file in the media folder, which on my system is C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\userdata\11151117\234630\local\project cars\media\ It should be the same or something similar on yours. Then you have to start pCars and in the menu navigate to My Home - My Profile - Highlights. If all is right it should be visible there. Just click (or double click) to start it.

edit: I watched the replay a bit and for some reason your car is displayed as a Capri, not a Clio :confused:

Papa H
12-08-2015, 21:15
That was an amazing race, apart from the Dip'n'Flip that cought my Merc on lap 21. Put me down into 3rd in class from 1st behind Hobbs and Papa H. Both of them then did me the favor of spinning out / puncturing their tire which gave me an opportunity to reclaim 1st in class and finish. Yay, my first TGC multiclass class victory :)

Big thanks also to Laurens for giving me an amazing fight for the first 10(?) laps - I don't think we were ever more than .5 sec apart.

I'm still sweating like a pig :D

Hey Timmynator, i got the dipflip too, but didnt get to much damage, also had a titanic battle with Hobbs, for the first 10 or so laps , he just wouldnt go away...........lol

Topsie
12-08-2015, 21:21
Had fun, but had to pit three times in a row to change my tyres once:(

Bagaz
12-08-2015, 21:28
Not a good race for me :(

I was way too slow anyway, but had an issue, that after a few laps, my car started to move from left to right to left to right, this happened to me 2 times,
so had to pit 2 times, and at the beginning I spun, and ended up in the middle of the Gr.A field, tried to pass the guys so that I don't get into their fight, so I tried to use the run-off area, for that I got 15 sec slowdown...

Ahh, well, maybe next time it will be better.

Congrats to: Photon, Twiggy, and Pam :)

Hey NemethR I hope I didn't contribute to your 15 second penalty. We were swapping places quite a lot in the first few laps and that car of yours looks an absolute pig to drive!

ZiggyUK
12-08-2015, 21:54
Good fun race. Had excellent battle for lap after lap with checamon. Lots of tapping going on in the corners but all in the right way (reminded me of BTCC to be honest). Looking forward to the next phase and driving the Gr.A car next week.

As long as it saved okay I will create and upload a replay video as I am sure checamon would love to see it.

Pamellaaa
12-08-2015, 21:55
Well that was an epic race for me, myself and Battenberg were never more than about 3 seconds apart throughout and it was very close, clean and technical racing. I have recorded my reply, I am going to stitch it together now and get it uploading, its a big big file so it will take some time but it should be up in the next few days! The replay is missing a lot of the cars that were lapping us and I have a couple of cars that I know to be Clios showing up as other things but the main interest is me vs battenberg and we are both shown correctly.

Thanks all for the race, can't wait for the next one.

Bagaz
12-08-2015, 22:00
http://youtu.be/V9aIHJwDU5Y

Short replay of a problem I had which I believe is popularly referred to as a 'land mine' at Silverstone tonight.
If it wasn't so comical to watch back I might have been ever so slightly annoyed lol.

Sorry to the guy that hit me on that corner, I hope it didn't affect your race too much. I think it was s group 5 car contrary to what the reply portrayed.

And twiggy... Looking forward to next week. Can't have been much difference in lap times between us.

Thanks all involved in group 1 for another great race.

ironik
12-08-2015, 22:07
Well, that was a great race, as always with you guys.
I did some laps as a training with the BMW 320, just enough to find that the car was kind of "buggy".
So I took the Capri and well, the two cars are really different!
Anyway I missed my start and eventually managed to go back to third. I spun after an overtaking.
As I only took 90l (default) I pitted around lap 25 and as I had no idea of fuel consumption, I took something like 20l.
I was third near the end with a good margin so I slowed down to save fuel. Then I saw my ranking going down for no reason. I finished the race and got DQ.
That was odd. :cool:

Anyway, thanks for the race guys!

Gopher04
12-08-2015, 22:07
Interesting to see so many D&P's, not so good for you guys, but it does tally up from previous events here, it's one of the worst tracks for it and the most consistant, I still believe it's mesh related somehow, some tracks suffer alot more from the D&P than others, going to be worth taken notes on other tracks as we move around them again..(forecast for the GT3's at Bathurst..none)

Any of you guys who suffered from the D&P have any sort of telemetry showing when it happened, would be a good idea to put it up here so Elmo can grab so we can keep an eye on.

Twiggy145
12-08-2015, 22:16
http://youtu.be/V9aIHJwDU5Y

Short replay of a problem I had which I believe is popularly referred to as a 'land mine' at Silverstone tonight.
If it wasn't so comical to watch back I might have been ever so slightly annoyed lol.

Sorry to the guy that hit me on that corner, I hope it didn't affect your race too much. I think it was s group 5 car contrary to what the reply portrayed.

And twiggy... Looking forward to next week. Can't have been much difference in lap times between us.

Thanks all involved in group 1 for another great race.

Shame about that mate, You had that in the bag. You we're 20 secs ahead, not getting away and i wasn't catching. Unlucky. Another Couple of laps and you would have passed me

cluck
12-08-2015, 22:19
Oh I was second and it DQed me on AI lap just before the pit entry lol.

Was like 40 secs behind Photorobert.

Fun race guys, thanks.

Oh ye and Cluck almost got me, but theres was some overlapping issue with someone i guess.Nope, I was pushing too hard on well-worn tyres and simply ran out of talent. Could have been a very close finish but alas, my absence of talent prevented that happening :D.

XiondrapoS
12-08-2015, 22:26
Am I just imagining things or were most of the D&P's from Group A cars?

Anyways I had quite a good race despite not really having the time to practice a lot, and spontaneously changing my car of choice right before the race from the BMW to the Ford since a lot of people here were saying there was something wrong with the BMW. I came in 4th because Kman had some troubles right as I had caught him, but got DQ'd on the inlap because I ran out of fuel right on the pit entry :(

Nevertheless I had a really great and consistent race!

Battenberg
12-08-2015, 22:47
Well that was an epic race...

That was mega! It's great going wheel to wheel with people I can trust, thanks for the great racing Pam. Also thanks for the good heads up driving to those lapping us. I was very happy with how my race went, that was one of my best drives on here. Unfortunately my Clio's left rear suspension ceased to exist on the last lap, and it put me out of the race. I think I could have held off Pam with my healthier tyres to take the win. Here's a video of what spoiled my race:
https://youtu.be/HWBpZKWrFgs

Also from Pam's POV:
https://youtu.be/IMhArvQyy_k?t=3673 (Also note Pam is a Mercedes in my vid, but a Clio in his :confused:. Something funky happened to all the replay files)

I've never had a landmine bug before, but I didn't hit anything/anyone throughout the whole race, and it struck out of nowhere. On another note, this replay overhaul can't come quick enough. That little moment took forever to get to - what a faff! I had a go at finding Mohammed's landmine hit afterwards, but It was like finding a needle in a haystack. Also, the game doesn't like seeking backwards through a huge replay file - it crashed twice. Definitely going to set up ShadowPlay for the next one.

Bagaz
12-08-2015, 22:47
Shame about that mate, You had that in the bag. You we're 20 secs ahead, not getting away and i wasn't catching. Unlucky. Another Couple of laps and you would have passed me

Oh I'm not so sure about that. Although I was catching you towards the end I'm sure I would have bottled it and screwed it all up somehow.
Would have looked good on the replay though bow vs merc.

Pamellaaa
12-08-2015, 23:00
That was mega! It's great going wheel to wheel with people I can trust, thanks for the great racing Pam. Also thanks for the good heads up driving to those lapping us. I was very happy with how my race went, that was one of my best drives on here. Unfortunately my Clio's left rear suspension ceased to exist on the last lap, and it put me out of the race. I think I could have held off Pam with my healthier tyres to take the win. Here's a video of what spoiled my race:


It was one of my best ever races too, I think you had it in the bag as well if I am honest, there were two or 3 points in the lap I was closing right up on you but I just didn't have the grip to get that final move made. I am still not sure if I changed tyres and they went off very quickly or they just failed to change - when I was recording my replay from the onboard view I couldn't hear them being changed but there was a very long pause after the fuel was finished if they weren't and the only damage to speak of was 4% aero from my earlier minor tangle with SillySausage, I will check this again from other angles though to be sure I know if they changed or not, will also check my pit strategy.

It seemed that I had a slight edge on fresh tyres but I never quite managed to build a gap early in the race and as we both started to burn through the rubber you were quicker again. It would have been interesting to see if I could have kept you behind had it not been for the lapping car at Maggots, despite being so close we barely swapped positions at all excluding that one (side note, the lapping car isn't in my reply either :( ) Either way it was immense fun, bad luck given how your race finished but I couldn't be more pleased with the battle we had up until that point - many thanks and it has just made me more eager to get my throttle pedal sorted for next week.

My replay is uploading now and I should be able to post it in the morning, the first couple of laps are missing for some reason but that was before you caught me anyway so I was basically just circulating alone up until that point, no big loss. You can see (or rather hear) in the replay some time after the second stop my throttle pedal got a bit worse and became more digital, I only noticed it when I was watching back but I think that was part of the reason I ran wide a few times at Copse, it was one of the few places that I was using a balanced throttle to help guide the front of the car, in the race I put it down to worn tyres but now I think the throttle made it worse, thankfully it didn't make me any slower, just a bit more wild.

falcon2081
13-08-2015, 01:03
Great race report fellas. Congrats to those who won and shame to hear about the issues that hampered some of you. I will be eagerly awaiting a YouTube version of the race to watch.

x ImJakeyy
13-08-2015, 01:10
Any way to export/record the replays without having to watch the whole race?

Keithb23
13-08-2015, 01:26
A big thank you to the gents in the 2nd lobby for a fun race. I toodled along in last pretty much the whole way. I didn't practice so I was really focusing on not getting in the way and not making any stupid mistakes. I believe I accomplished both goals, I didn't hear any complaints from the blokes passing anyway, lol! One fellow mentioned hitting a landmine in a corner and I do recall being overtaken by a Capri just before the last corner before s/f and then it suddenly came to a dead stop and I banged into him. Was that the landmine incident? So glad I didn't swear and get upset, would have been most unseemly!

The Clio was fun, if a bit, shall we say, pedestrian in performance? A good choice for me though, not having raced online for a few months now. It did point out to me, however, that if one falls behind in the slowest group, it is very difficult to catch back up once traffic from overtaking cars starts happening. I know we aren't supposed to really slow down to let people by, we're supposed to stay on the line and it's up to the passing car to go off-line and pass when safe, but I tend to instinctively slow down and move over if the overtaking car is about to pass in the corner, I like to give lots of room so that there isn't any doubt as to which side I want them to overtake me on. Had I been up to speed with the rest of my group from the start, I probably would have been more focused on the fight within my own group and less inclined to move off line and slow down. So a word of caution to you fellows moving from the Group 5 or A cars to the Clio, keep up with the group or suffer the consequences. My race engineer was being a real c__t about my lap times being erratic. Man, that guy formerly known as 'The Stig' can be a right pain in the arse at times! I should have shut him up before the race started.

Other than the incident with the other car that hit a land mine (I think) there were no technical issues for me in any of the three sessions. The game ran very smoothly, I didn't notice any really laggy cars (Ziggy I know you did at the end of the race, don't remember who it was.) and my pit stop was perfect once I remembered I had to close the pit menu manually after sitting there for like 30 seconds...doh! I can definitely say that the online experience has improved by a great deal since I last participated in a multiplayer race. Every session loaded quickly and without any dramas. Not once did I hear someone say 'cross your fingers'. There was some kind of disconnect issue with a capri left on the starting grid but it didn't seem to affect me in my race.

Thanks to the faster drivers for passing safely and not giving me any real 'moments'. Thanks also to the people who gave instructions and made their wishes known when they were in a close battle. I hope to race with some of you again, perhaps on a Sunday.

Cheers to all!

x ImJakeyy
13-08-2015, 01:52
A big thank you to the gents in the 2nd lobby for a fun race. I toodled along in last pretty much the whole way. I didn't practice so I was really focusing on not getting in the way and not making any stupid mistakes. I believe I accomplished both goals, I didn't hear any complaints from the blokes passing anyway, lol! One fellow mentioned hitting a landmine in a corner and I do recall being overtaken by a Capri just before the last corner before s/f and then it suddenly came to a dead stop and I banged into him. Was that the landmine incident? So glad I didn't swear and get upset, would have been most unseemly!

The Clio was fun, if a bit, shall we say, pedestrian in performance? A good choice for me though, not having raced online for a few months now. It did point out to me, however, that if one falls behind in the slowest group, it is very difficult to catch back up once traffic from overtaking cars starts happening. I know we aren't supposed to really slow down to let people by, we're supposed to stay on the line and it's up to the passing car to go off-line and pass when safe, but I tend to instinctively slow down and move over if the overtaking car is about to pass in the corner, I like to give lots of room so that there isn't any doubt as to which side I want them to overtake me on. Had I been up to speed with the rest of my group from the start, I probably would have been more focused on the fight within my own group and less inclined to move off line and slow down. So a word of caution to you fellows moving from the Group 5 or A cars to the Clio, keep up with the group or suffer the consequences. My race engineer was being a real c__t about my lap times being erratic. Man, that guy formerly known as 'The Stig' can be a right pain in the arse at times! I should have shut him up before the race started.

Other than the incident with the other car that hit a land mine (I think) there were no technical issues for me in any of the three sessions. The game ran very smoothly, I didn't notice any really laggy cars (Ziggy I know you did at the end of the race, don't remember who it was.) and my pit stop was perfect once I remembered I had to close the pit menu manually after sitting there for like 30 seconds...doh! I can definitely say that the online experience has improved by a great deal since I last participated in a multiplayer race. Every session loaded quickly and without any dramas. Not once did I hear someone say 'cross your fingers'. There was some kind of disconnect issue with a capri left on the starting grid but it didn't seem to affect me in my race.

Thanks to the faster drivers for passing safely and not giving me any real 'moments'. Thanks also to the people who gave instructions and made their wishes known when they were in a close battle. I hope to race with some of you again, perhaps on a Sunday.

Cheers to all!

Was fun racing with you Keith, hopefully you can make it to more races with the TGC, whether they be the MCE, GEN or NCC races.

I'm the same when people are lapping, I like to get off the racing line and give them that (as they are the quicker driver) but their are just some times it's not possible. Most drivers in the real racing world also like to get off the racing line and give it to the faster guys.

I didn't really hear any complaints the whole race from contact or other incidents, only complaints when people were talking about custom liveries, that's what caused me to spin just a small distraction in the background that can effect the race for anyone.

Tricky
13-08-2015, 06:43
Good race last night, was a close battle at the front of the clios in lobby 2. I assume those that got DSQ after crossing the line will keep their positions? I didn't pre-plan my pit stop so ran excessive fuel in the end.

Pamellaaa
13-08-2015, 07:28
Here is my replay of the race, as before its missing lap 1 and 2 but and there are a few cars missing but it shows the battle between me and Battenberg nicely.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMhArvQyy_k

As mentioned in previous posts towards the end of the race I have a few track limit problems at Copse due to worn tyres and throttle problems, still undecided about if I had fresh tyres or not but I am not leaning towards unchanged tyres causing the problems.

At the point where I went offline at Maggots/Becketts and Battenberg got past me was as a result of a lapping car coming through and me having to leave room, this car is unfortunately not on my replay.

Laurens Van Rossem
13-08-2015, 07:58
Any way to export/record the replays without having to watch the whole race?

Sadly, there is none. The best way is just to play the replay and record it while you have something else to do. I wish the game had some sort of auto spectate mode like LoL has, would be so much easier to make videos.
Here's my replay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLnbn4J9AM4
I guess I'm out of the season and the other races now, so farewell and have fun guys!

PerFixAlot
13-08-2015, 08:03
Thanks for an enjoyable race.

I wasn't fast. I wasn't consistent.
Well, I was sweating fast and consistently.

Though I have little affinity for these cars, I had a really good time.

This was my first ever race with manual clutch and H-pattern shifter, so I was mostly just struggling to remind myself to not brake with my left foot the whole race.
It took a toll on my ability to concentrate and pay attention and steadily, along with tyre wear, my lap times got worse and worse.

I suppose that was as I expected, and in the end I was actually really satisfied with the race and my performance, at least until the Dip 'n' Flip/Landmine problem wrecked my car in lap 23.
It's funny, even though my times got slower and slower, lost positions, I felt more and more like I made progress as the race went on. It simply felt like an accomplishment because I didn't majorly mess up a down-shift or tried to brake with the wrong foot, as happened loads of time in the couple of practice session I had earlier.

Here's my video of the race:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_VTK8caN8c

And the replay file is here:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=8DB9666B8E1965DD!25688&authkey=!AGxR-7dc9Xa6mDM&ithint=file%2cmed

ironik
13-08-2015, 08:04
I guess I'm out of the season and the other races now, so farewell and have fun guys!

:frown-new:

TwistedNav
13-08-2015, 08:20
Well, first you have to place the .med file in the media folder, which on my system is C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\userdata\11151117\234630\local\project cars\media\ It should be the same or something similar on yours. Then you have to start pCars and in the menu navigate to My Home - My Profile - Highlights. If all is right it should be visible there. Just click (or double click) to start it.

edit: I watched the replay a bit and for some reason your car is displayed as a Capri, not a Clio :confused:

Thanks Nevil, I will have a look this evening - I've got to see that last corner move you pulled on me from your perspective - it was a real Rossi on Lorenzo at Barcelona move - timed to perfection! I'm still buzzing thinking about it now :-)

Looking at my replay, Nevil, you seem to be driving a Group A M3. Very strange.

I don't seem to be able to 'like' anyone's posts. Can someone provide a solution? Thanks.

Really stoked for the remaining races, now. Dirt Rally will have to take a backseat!

Pamellaaa
13-08-2015, 08:22
I don't seem to be able to 'like' anyone's posts. Can someone provide a solution? Thanks.

Usually a screen refresh fixes it, I have a similar thing with certain posts - I think it relates to a post that has only recently been posted or edited.

Alex Hobbs
13-08-2015, 09:47
Good to see the race went well for most :D My race was good, I had a nice setup dialled in but once the rear tyres started to wear the rears were locking too mch under braki g and I had a spin.

I think I got dip and flip but without the flip. I was being lapped by kman (no contact) when my front right dropped and I lost front grip. I called it to kman just so he knew I wasnt in control but I really thought it was a puncture at the time. As I limped to the pits I looked on the external cam and it looked like my rear suspension had collapsed. Once I started to steer the inside of the car would lift up a lot, to the point I'm pretty sure it would have flipped if I didnt countersteer each time. After 3 of these the car settled down and went back to normal. I've had this a few times when racing with you guys over the past months, but since I've always countersteered so its never fully flipped. Was still a good race though even with the bugs, just a bit of racer's luck I guess :)

TwistedNav
13-08-2015, 09:53
Hmm, I never have a 'like' option for anyone's posts. Anyone else have this?

ZiggyUK
13-08-2015, 09:59
Hmm, I never have a 'like' option for anyone's posts. Anyone else have this?

We also are not able to "Like" your posts either .... odd ..... I will see if we can find a solution to that. Is their a min post you have to make first?

Glad to have you, Nevil, Keith, Ironik, etc back with us again. The family is reuniting :D

BioForce
13-08-2015, 09:59
I can like every others posts exept yours and Ziggy atm. Strange...

TwistedNav
13-08-2015, 10:12
Oh well, just assume that I like your posts! :-)

r3dm15t
13-08-2015, 10:30
Yeah it was great last night, really enjoyed the mixed class race. I was running that BMW GR5 and boy that was a handful when the tyres went off, all alittle bum squeezy. I think some additional time in testing would have proven valuable, having to pit twice. However it was nice to see all the guys blatting round, with a mix of battles go on throughout the field. See you on the grey stuff soon.

ironik
13-08-2015, 10:31
We also are not able to "Like" your posts either .... odd ..... I will see if we can find a solution to that. Is their a min post you have to make first?

Glad to have you, Nevil, Keith, Ironik, etc back with us again. The family is reuniting :D

I never left you guys. I always had an eye on you. ;)
I have to admit that I lost interest in pCars after the release but now that many bugs are corrected and that TGC is back to a kind of "league" racing, I'll stick with you guys :D

I'm looking forward the return of TGC ranked leagues. The system we were running @WMD was just great ^^

Nevil Wigbels
13-08-2015, 11:23
Thanks Nevil, I will have a look this evening - I've got to see that last corner move you pulled on me from your perspective - it was a real Rossi on Lorenzo at Barcelona move - timed to perfection! I'm still buzzing thinking about it now :-)

I thought you went a litte wide in the last chicane, and we came out of it side by side but I have not seen the replay yet, hopefully tonight ;)


Looking at my replay, Nevil, you seem to be driving a Group A M3. Very strange.

That's quite odd indeed...


I don't seem to be able to 'like' anyone's posts. Can someone provide a solution? Thanks.

The like button is also missing with posts you made, anyone else is fine for me... weird.


Really stoked for the remaining races, now. Dirt Rally will have to take a backseat!

Same here ;)

Battenberg
13-08-2015, 11:43
Any of you guys who suffered from the D&P have any sort of telemetry showing when it happened, would be a good idea to put it up here so Elmo can grab so we can keep an eye on.

I was running Tom Shane's profiler during the race, but I neglected to save the session:rolleyes:. I saved the replay though, So I'll have a play to see if I can re-record the telemetry. If not I'll try out the dev cams and try to get a better shot of what went on.

Meanwhile, here's a compilation of everyone's reports (+ vids where possible), to keep it all in 1 place. If anyone can help, it'll be great to make Silverstone raceable again. I love this track, just not the booby traps!


That was an amazing race, apart from the Dip'n'Flip that cought my Merc on lap 21.


...As I limped to the pits I looked on the external cam and it looked like my rear suspension had collapsed. Once I started to steer the inside of the car would lift up a lot, to the point I'm pretty sure it would have flipped if I didnt countersteer each time...


Hey Timmynator, i got the dipflip too, but didnt get to much damage...



https://youtu.be/V9aIHJwDU5Y?t=26Short replay of a problem I had which I believe is popularly referred to as a 'land mine' at Silverstone tonight.

Mohammed's landmine (from Pam's onboard, white BMW 2 cars ahead)
https://youtu.be/IMhArvQyy_k?t=2390. Same person as MelBonkers below? This was at T5 too. We don't get the fidelity of other cars' movements from our own personal replay files (netcode etc.), so you only really see a 'smoothed out' version of the roll in the distance - not useful for analysis, but proof nonetheless.

...Then my car flipped upside down going through turn 5. After a couple of rolls I ended up on my wheels but couldn't move as my left rear tire was on the straight....

These two were at the same spot, T8 Woodcote Corner:

... at least until the Dip 'n' Flip/Landmine problem wrecked my car in lap 23...
https://youtu.be/l_VTK8caN8c?t=3281


...2 * dip nd flip...
http://www.twitch.tv/unicorn__plays/v/10661167?t=47m57s [I could only find 1]

So far, all of the above were Group A cars afaik, mine was in a Clio:

Here's a video of what spoiled my race:
https://youtu.be/HWBpZKWrFgs

Also from Pam's POV:
https://youtu.be/IMhArvQyy_k?t=3673

...And one unlucky Capri ate it hard too:

...One fellow mentioned hitting a landmine in a corner and I do recall being overtaken by a Capri just before the last corner before s/f and then it suddenly came to a dead stop and I banged into him. Was that the landmine incident?

NemethR
13-08-2015, 12:49
Hmm, I never have a 'like' option for anyone's posts. Anyone else have this?

Odd thing is, I don't have a "Like" option for your post either, but have one for all the other posts.

Timmynator
13-08-2015, 12:58
I'll have a look at the Profiler data tonight, might find something there from when the car went weird. Felt like on braking it "fell through" the track on the right front and then wouldn't come "back up". Driving forwards didn't work either, reversing was ok but ultimately only a reset (after a thorough check of my surroundings!) was the way to get going again...

Looks like I'll miss next week's race, though, I've been ordered on a business trip...

Giovtec
13-08-2015, 13:41
Maybe stupid questions, but i'm new in this racing sim's:D.

While i was driving the BMW 320 Turbo Group 5 from lap 14 i noticed some sort of left rear tyre high temp and on the straights my car was wobbling from left to right, my questions are... Was that a tyre puncture? or some suspension damage? pointing out i did not have any crashes and the worst thing is that around lap 27 i start noticing same condition. (i did pit for fixing in lap 16 which weirdly took me big amount of seconds only for fixing)

anyone who can kindly :rolleyes: explain me that? ...... Pleaseeee.. ;)

Pamellaaa
13-08-2015, 13:48
Maybe stupid questions, but i'm new in this racing sim's:D.

While i was driving the BMW 320 Turbo Group 5 from lap 14 i noticed some sort of left rear tyre high temp and on the straights my car was wobbling from left to right, my questions are... Was that a tyre puncture? or some suspension damage? pointing out i did not have any crashes and the worst thing is that around lap 27 i start noticing same condition. (i did pit for fixing in lap 16 which weirdly took me big amount of seconds only for fixing)

anyone who can kindly :rolleyes: explain me that? ...... Pleaseeee.. ;)

A few others experienced this and the general consensus is that its a bug that is particular to that car (or possibly even that car and track combination) and not a puncture or any specific deliberate behaviour. I believe that Elmo has communicated this to the Devs.

XiondrapoS
13-08-2015, 13:50
While i was driving the BMW 320 Turbo Group 5 from lap 14 i noticed some sort of left rear tyre high temp and on the straights my car was wobbling from left to right, my questions are... Was that a tyre puncture? or some suspension damage? pointing out i did not have any crashes and the worst thing is that around lap 27 i start noticing same condition. (i did pit for fixing in lap 16 which weirdly took me big amount of seconds only for fixing)

I think that was the problem (bug?) miagi and a few others were talking about a few pages back. I did some practice with the BMW as I originally intended to go with that car instead, but I did not have time to do some long runs so I have not experienced this problem. After reading about it here I then decided to switch to the Ford spontaneously.

ironik
13-08-2015, 13:51
Maybe stupid questions, but i'm new in this racing sim's:D.

While i was driving the BMW 320 Turbo Group 5 from lap 14 i noticed some sort of left rear tyre high temp and on the straights my car was wobbling from left to right, my questions are... Was that a tyre puncture? or some suspension damage? pointing out i did not have any crashes and the worst thing is that around lap 27 i start noticing same condition. (i did pit for fixing in lap 16 which weirdly took me big amount of seconds only for fixing)

anyone who can kindly :rolleyes: explain me that? ...... Pleaseeee.. ;)

I had the same problem with the BMW. Actually It's happening way sooner for me (lap 7-8) but it's really annoying around lap 10 for me.

I think there is a bug hidding somewhere in the BMW 320.
This is not related to anything I can explain and worst, if you make a small contact against an armco for exemple, the weird behavior / wandering / wobbling is gone !

Regarding your rear tyres high temp, it's due to the rear locking up under braking, for no reason. As the temp goes higher, it's getting worst and worst.

ironik
13-08-2015, 13:53
A few others experienced this and the general consensus is that its a bug that is particular to that car (or possibly even that car and track combination) and not a puncture or any specific deliberate behaviour. I believe that Elmo has communicated this to the Devs.

I have a footage of this if you want Elmo ?
Should I post it somewhere ?

Giovtec
13-08-2015, 13:53
A few others experienced this and the general consensus is that its a bug that is particular to that car (or possibly even that car and track combination) and not a puncture or any specific deliberate behaviour. I believe that Elmo has communicated this to the Devs.

Uuff!! Ok, well then, thanks for the answer.. :cool:

Pamellaaa
13-08-2015, 14:04
I have a footage of this if you want Elmo ?
Should I post it somewhere ?

Absolutely, post it here for further discussion and maybe ping Elmo a quick PM to make sure he sees it as well, I would also add it to Miagi's thread (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?36934-BMW-320-Turbo-Gr5-Spring-Travel) as there is a good chance the issues are related, alternatively start your own bug thread with your information, your video and quoted information from those above who were experiencing the issue.

miagi
13-08-2015, 14:04
On The BMW 320 T it's a force that makes the car wander at higher speeds. On the CLK-LM it was a strong steering rattle. It is reproduceable, different ppl experienced it, it is not really comprehensible physics wise. Would be good if Casey could have a look into it.

Giovtec
13-08-2015, 14:11
I think that was the problem (bug?) miagi and a few others were talking about a few pages back. I did some practice with the BMW as I originally intended to go with that car instead, but I did not have time to do some long runs so I have not experienced this problem. After reading about it here I then decided to switch to the Ford spontaneously.

i tried that Capri but it was a failuire every single lap, :B

Giovtec
13-08-2015, 14:18
Well i hope there is no patch so people suffer what i did suffer. :p

BTW just kidding!! we need patcheSS !! ;)

ironik
13-08-2015, 14:26
On The BMW 320 T it's a force that makes the car wander at higher speeds. On the CLK-LM it was a strong steering rattle. It is reproduceable, different ppl experienced it, it is not really comprehensible physics wise. Would be good if Casey could have a look into it.

Yeah you can feel it in the wheel.
I noticed that the rear tyres are getting hotter and hotter while it's happening. As soon as you have a contact, this behavior vanishes and the rear tyres start to cool down again.

MelBonkers
13-08-2015, 14:46
Odd thing is, I don't have a "Like" option for your post either, but have one for all the other posts.

Same here!

MelBonkers
13-08-2015, 14:51
Mohammed's landmine (from Pam's onboard, white BMW 2 cars ahead)
https://youtu.be/IMhArvQyy_k?t=2390. Same person as MelBonkers below? This was at T5 too. We don't get the fidelity of other cars' movements from our own personal replay files (netcode etc.), so you only really see a 'smoothed out' version of the roll in the distance - not useful for analysis, but proof nonetheless.


Battenberg, thank you very much for finding that one. That is exactly me. MelBonkers = Mohammed el Gueriri. I changed my inlog to my XBox One profile name. Maybe I should change my login back to Mohammed el Gueriri ;-). But that is me :D. Flying through the air ;-)

mcarver2000
13-08-2015, 14:51
I was probably the Capri in question. The IED took me by surprise as well. Too bad you had to suffer from my fate. At least this time, my car survived the explosion to only lose the front cowling (35+ aero damage). Caused me to lose about 2.5 seconds a lap. The whole incident lost me 1 position at the finish. Since my race was fairly uneventful, the landmine at least made it more interesting (if not frustrating).


A big thank you to the gents in the 2nd lobby for a fun race. I toodled along in last pretty much the whole way. I didn't practice so I was really focusing on not getting in the way and not making any stupid mistakes. I believe I accomplished both goals, I didn't hear any complaints from the blokes passing anyway, lol! One fellow mentioned hitting a landmine in a corner and I do recall being overtaken by a Capri just before the last corner before s/f and then it suddenly came to a dead stop and I banged into him. Was that the landmine incident? So glad I didn't swear and get upset, would have been most unseemly!

<snip>

Pamellaaa
13-08-2015, 14:58
Battenberg, thank you very much for finding that one. That is exactly me. MelBonkers = Mohammed el Gueriri. I changed my inlog to my XBox One profile name. Maybe I should change my login back to Mohammed el Gueriri ;-). But that is me :D. Flying through the air ;-)

Indeed that was an interesting experience when it happened in real time as well.

@battenberg was this visible in your replay, would be good to see it from slightly closer.

ironik
13-08-2015, 15:00
Battenberg, thank you very much for finding that one. That is exactly me. MelBonkers = Mohammed el Gueriri. I changed my inlog to my XBox One profile name. Maybe I should change my login back to Mohammed el Gueriri ;-). But that is me :D. Flying through the air ;-)

Hey Mo! Nice to see you again haha :D

I have to find a microphone even if my english is awfull and I'm a bit shy ^^

x ImJakeyy
13-08-2015, 15:25
Just rendering out my footage from last nights race, not much to be seen apart from me and YERA lapping, should have it in this thread tonight :)

Battenberg
13-08-2015, 16:19
Ugh, I've tried over the last hour to get a better shot, but it keeps crashing on me. :(

Elmo
13-08-2015, 16:37
On The BMW 320 T it's a force that makes the car wander at higher speeds. On the CLK-LM it was a strong steering rattle. It is reproduceable, different ppl experienced it, it is not really comprehensible physics wise. Would be good if Casey could have a look into it.

Could you give a detailed explanation what the issue is in one post please? So I can notify the physics guys.

t0daY
13-08-2015, 16:41
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Hello Gentlemen,

we hope everybody had great fun on the first race :). Our next track will be Nürburgring GP.

Team Alpha: Renault Clio Cup
Team Bravo: Group 5
Team Charlie: Group A

Date: 19th August 2015
Practice Start: 18:30 UTC
Qualifying Start: 18:45 UTC
Race Start: 19:00 UTC

Race: 1+30 laps (Rolling Start with Formation Lap)
Ingame Time: 15:00
Time progression: 1x
Weather Forecast: A dry afternoon is expected with patchy cloud interspersed with sunny spells throughout the race.
Weather progression: 1x

Driving Aids: Real

The pole driver will lead the field through the formation lap. We are going to make the 2x2 formation on the straight between turn 13 and 14 (Hatzenbects-Bogen & Veedol).

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Greetings,

ZiggyUK & Hobbs & Pamellaaa & Photonenbert & FlyingKman & t0daY

ironik
13-08-2015, 16:46
Could you give a detailed explanation what the issue is in one post please? So I can notify the physics guys.

I'm currently uploading a video.
I'll make a post as soon as it's online.

ironik
13-08-2015, 17:19
Link to the post (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?37021-Potential-bug-with-BMW-320-T&p=1082485#post1082485)

MikeyTT
13-08-2015, 17:41
Really unhappy about missing the race last night. After driving nearly 200miles to the hotel for the customer meeting today, I find it gets cancelled first thing this morning. So another 200miles back up north and 5 hours in the car as it's a bit wet, and everyone forgot how to drive in the wet.

I ran a few laps on Tue night and in the GrpA with 30l of fuel I was sat in the mid 2:11s, which would have put me in a good place for the race it seems :(

Oh well, at least I got to give my new car a decent drive out, so silver lining and all that :)

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cluck
13-08-2015, 18:14
Oh well, at least I got to give my new car a decent drive out, so silver lining and all that :)

215010Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag :yes:

TwistedNav
13-08-2015, 18:16
That is one sexy beast, Mikey! I see the occasional one on my commute, and they make me drool every time. So much more attractive than the Astons too - and far less common (in West London anyway!).

miagi
13-08-2015, 20:45
In the CLK-LM pretty consitently after 19-20 laps around Hockenheim GP on my setup (http://projectcarssetups.eu/#/viewsetup/51504132), the wheel start vibrate very bad at higher speeds. While tire wear reached 60% on front left, FR 28, RL 33 and RR 22.

On the BMW 320 T it was different, different effect, it made the car sway left and right at higher speeds. The car was only picking up ~2% wear per lap and it started at lap 8. Changing tire did fix it.

MikeyTT
13-08-2015, 20:48
That is one sexy beast, Mikey! I see the occasional one on my commute, and they make me drool every time. So much more attractive than the Astons too - and far less common (in West London anyway!).

Thanks. I was originally looking at the RS5, but it just didn't wow me. As soon as I saw this, my mind was close to being made up. Then when I drove it, there was no contest. It's the semi-sensible V6s, but it really is just damned awesome. The driving experience is just that; an experience. Couldn't be happier :)

Timmynator
13-08-2015, 21:00
I'm afraid my Profiler telemetry doesn't yield a lot of info. It split my dip'n'flip lap into two laps, the original lap it looks like a massive traction loss on the Front Left which might've caused the car to rotate "into" the right front tire which then went through the track. The "went through the track" is pure speculation on my part, but that's the way it feels, similar to when in development we caught those spots where the car would dip its tires through the track.
Second "lap" (it's really only a weird sector that doesn't comply with the known ones for this track) shows something interesting, though: absolutely constant values for each tire while in "D'n'F"-mode with this time the Front Right (!) having absolutely no grip. The normal values at the end seem to be from when I reset the car.

Don't know how much it helps, but here are the screens in question:

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€dit: Sorry for the humongousness, I keep forgetting that my Surface has such a high resolution...