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JA96
08-08-2015, 05:19
Lets start off the hype... With some urm, rumours/facts...

So the next DLC will be here within the next few weeks. Presumably a car expansion pack.

Free car #3 is the RUF RT12 R if you look at the on demand page by SMS you can see the outline of this car.

GT Planet suggests it will be the new for old car pack(?) (take this with a pinch of sea salt)

This would fit in with free car#3

The cars within that pack if true are rumoured to be the RUF Yellowbird, 2015 Ford Mustang GT, 66 Mustang Fastback and 2 other vehichles.

Does anyone have any more info?

Now seems the right time to post a cheeky thread to build up hype for this months DLC

Dutchmountains
08-08-2015, 05:24
Comming soon:glee:

Wacky99
08-08-2015, 06:29
BMW 2002 is mentioned in the Patch 3.0 notes.

Scuderia Paul
08-08-2015, 06:50
Assuming this is correct so far I hope there is a race car included. PCars is a proper racing sim so the focus should be there.

We'll find out when v3.00 releases on PC I guess.

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
08-08-2015, 07:45
Assuming this is correct so far I hope there is a race car included. PCars is a proper racing sim so the focus should be there.The focus already is there, race cars account for over 2/3 of all the cars in the game! Doesn't mean every single DLC has to have racing car content in it, even if the next couple of DLC packs were all about street cars the racing cars would still massively outnumber them. =)

I hope the predictions turn out to be true, the missing Rufs and the whole old vs. new pack are my most anxiously awaited additions.

MAARTEN
08-08-2015, 08:06
I think there is already a ton of german cars in Pcars. Now it's time to add some japanese ones!

Iconic cars like the Mazda RX7, Nissan Skylines, Toyota Supra MKIII and MKIV, Imprezas. A JDM hot hatch like the Honda Civic Type-R.

Black_Gold_Saw
08-08-2015, 08:33
Boring; We already have that car. Only without a spoiler.
What MAARTEN said: Rx-7, Supra, Skylines.

Linus27
08-08-2015, 08:55
Yep, none of the rumoured cars interest me and we have enough German cars. Give us some Japanese cars gets my vote.

NemethR
08-08-2015, 09:24
...
The cars within that pack if true are rumoured to be the RUF Yellowbird, 2015 Ford Mustang GT, 66 Mustang Fastback and 2 other vehichles.


BMW 2002 Turbo, for sure.
NO Mustang GT, as that has been replaced with the Mustang already in the game.
RUF Yellowbird maybe.

Free Car #3 is the RUF RT12, has nothing to do with the DLC tough.
Also there are some leaked pictures of a Toyota LMP car floating around on the net.

NemethR
08-08-2015, 09:25
I think there is already a ton of german cars in Pcars. Now it's time to add some japanese ones!

Iconic cars like the Mazda RX7, Nissan Skylines, Toyota Supra MKIII and MKIV, Imprezas. A JDM hot hatch like the Honda Civic Type-R.

Sorry, but we don't yet have rice growth simulated in the game, so we can't make fuel for those cars atm. :D

TrevorAustin
08-08-2015, 09:34
Not that bothered but even less bothered about more variations on the same old german cars again. Some variation would be much more interesting. Although I'm 100 times more interested in the patch than any new cars.

plakplak
08-08-2015, 09:39
BMW 2002 Turbo, for sure.
NO Mustang GT, as that has been replaced with the Mustang already in the game.


You are wrong, initially in licence deal there was a 2013 Mustang Shelby GT500, it was replaced later by Mustang 302R which is in game. But 2015 Mustang GT was licenced separately later.

danowat
08-08-2015, 09:48
Proper clickbait thread title.

barmydoughnut
08-08-2015, 09:49
I'm not all that bothered about road cars neither Japanese cars unless they are race spec. If there were to be Japanese cars introduced then I feel that there would need to be more point to point street circuits like azure coast and cali highway to get the most out of them. However that is not really what this ga.e is about as it is focused more on actual race spec car and tracks which I prefer.

Psychomatrix
08-08-2015, 09:55
If it's a road car dlc then I'm saving money. If I want drive road cars I play forza 5 because the road car physics are not that good that I will buy a dlc with them. But everybody is free to decide
http://youtu.be/evXd_GELUvg

NemethR
08-08-2015, 10:03
If it's a road car dlc then I'm saving money. If I want drive road cars I play forza 5 because the road car physics are not that good that I will buy a dlc with them. But everybody is free to decide

Who ever said, it will be a road car DLC?!

BMW 2002 Turbo - race car
Ford Mustang GT - race car
RUF Yellowbird - don't know.
???
???

Psychomatrix
08-08-2015, 10:16
The capri 3000 or 2600 RS is tha a MUST when the race version of the 2002 its in the dlc. imo

galaxyjack
08-08-2015, 11:34
Bmw 2002 turbo, Ruf Yellowbird and Mustang Gt are road cars. You can see their screenshots on GTPlanet. They will possibly include one or two race cars (Btcc, Indy etc) in next dlc so that everyone buys it.

lifeofbrian
08-08-2015, 11:37
Now a BTCC pack would be AMAZING! To me their road cars seem like they've been quickly tossed together to add some content. A proper licensed BTCC pack with Thruxton would be gold.


Bmw 2002 turbo, Ruf Yellowbird and Mustang Gt are road cars. You can see their screenshots on GTPlanet. They will possibly include one or two race cars (Btcc, Indy etc) in next dlc so that everyone buys it.

maurice-pascale
08-08-2015, 11:53
Now a BTCC pack would be AMAZING! To me their road cars seem like they've been quickly tossed together to add some content. A proper licensed BTCC pack with Thruxton would be gold.

All the DLC cars we get are older created cars which are ready since almost a year.....i saw the 2015 mustang GT on the WMD Portal over a year ago......they just release them later.......so all DLC cars are long time ready and are scheduled for all the month we will get DLC' in the future.......i just hope for some suprises with new manufactures for a DLC.....for now it seems we all almost know what will come in the DLC's till 2016.......i just hope after it it goes on and on......

Psychomatrix
08-08-2015, 12:02
The bmw 2002 as road car makes no sense. as racecar whe can use it in touring car class against escort and mercedes. Indycar sounds nice but I hope that come together with the oval dlc.

Pink_650S
08-08-2015, 12:06
Sorry, but we don't yet have rice growth simulated in the game, so we can't make fuel for those cars atm. :D

Well, thank god we have rain in the game, so we can fuel all the british cars :p

yusupov
08-08-2015, 12:11
the escort & mercedes are road cars, as will be the 2002, as are ALL the cars named by nemethR.

and for the 'dis is racing game' ppl, congratulations, you save $5 this month.

Aisakey
08-08-2015, 12:20
Sorry, but we don't yet have rice growth simulated in the game, so we can't make fuel for those cars atm. :D

http://apollo-na-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/1431740629/LowQualityBait.png

Azure Flare
08-08-2015, 12:21
Lets start off the hype... With some urm, rumours/facts...

This, right here. This statement sums up this entire thread, minus facts/any actual concrete evidence.

Also, it quickly became a request thread on the 5th reply, I think it's a new record.

MAARTEN
08-08-2015, 12:33
I only drive road-cars. I think they are more challenging and fun to drive than Formula 1 and hardcore race-cars.

Fong74
08-08-2015, 12:39
For all those who do not like road cars so far in pCars, there has been a major improvement (although only a small change has been made to the physics) in handling with patch v2.5 for the PC. As this is also included in the v3.0 for consoles, the road cars could be worth a re-visit. I like race cars more, too, but I surely will check out some road cars after the update definitely.

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?36240-Street-Car-tire-physics-HUGE-improvement-since-patch-2-5-on-PC-Major-respect!&highlight=caterham+physics


So far the once leaked dlc list corresponded to the released packs. So we can assume the next dlc will be "new for old". If so, what could that mean in the context of the two cars that we can be pretty sure, that they will be available soon: the Ruf RT12 R and the BMW 2002. Ruf is new, 2002 is old. But where is the connection? Both are german cars, ok. But different manufacturers. Could the yellowbird (which is a cool car imo) be the counterpart of the Ruf RT12 R?

yusupov
08-08-2015, 13:56
what would the 2002 counterpart be though?

T0MMY
08-08-2015, 14:01
I did some poking around, the next DLC should have:

- '66 Ford Mustang
- '15 Ford Mustang GT
- BMW 2002 Turbo
- BMW 320 Touring Car
- Ruf CTR Yellowbird
- Ruf RT12R (Free Car 3)

Schnizz58
08-08-2015, 14:28
I'm afraid y'all are on the wrong track.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--6bNM-2qB--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1373652214529674922.jpg

TrevorAustin
08-08-2015, 14:32
Looks like something the a team knocked up in a barn with some old scrap:)

bmanic
08-08-2015, 16:36
If it's a road car dlc then I'm saving money. If I want drive road cars I play forza 5 because the road car physics are not that good that I will buy a dlc with them. But everybody is free to decide.

Have you actually tried them lately? The road cars got their tires updated (at least the super cars) and are now driving really well.

EDIT: ah noticed that you are on Xbone. You'll have the updated tires in the 3.0 patch. Try the road cars then. :)

NemethR
09-08-2015, 17:02
Sorry, but we don't yet have rice growth simulated in the game, so we can't make fuel for those cars atm. :D

I got a Racist / Stereotype "dislike" for this.
Come on guys, have some sense for jokes.

JA96
09-08-2015, 17:41
The post says August DLC... The Free car is free downloadable content (DLC) and due in August. Please read the post properly. The Toyota TS040 and GT86 aren't finished yet

yusupov
09-08-2015, 19:55
other than the '15 mustang, looks like awesome dlc to me. hopefully will get some people to give the road cars an honest try

Tom Cornwell
09-08-2015, 20:38
The old '66 mustang will be something totally different to what we already have which is nice. Road cars or race cars, new cars are always a good thing in my eyes.

Scuderia Paul
09-08-2015, 22:07
I hope the BMW 3 Series BTCC is included. That could be a fabulous addition to the roster.

tgrey
09-08-2015, 23:02
I think there is already a ton of german cars in Pcars. Now it's time to add some japanese ones!

Iconic cars like the Mazda RX7, Nissan Skylines, Toyota Supra MKIII and MKIV, Imprezas. A JDM hot hatch like the Honda Civic Type-R.

+1 for more Japanese cars... both a road and race spec miata/mx-5 would be incredible. Some Hondas would be nice, but for a hot hatch I really want to see a Mazdaspeed 3, and not just because I own one ;)

Sasquatch
09-08-2015, 23:04
Boring; We already have that car. Only without a spoiler.

And two less cylinders, two more turbochargers, one less differential, the front axles, a driveline, 100+ more ponies, and standard track equipment.

I'll take it before a late 90's Toyota Supra street-tuner-kid mobile. In place of those demanded street-tuner-mobiles how about Lexus RCF GT3's, or even the Gazoo LFA - OH! Maybe even a Gazoo GT86 for GT5 class? Then we'll be talking.

Race cars. Race cars.

mrbrownnose
10-08-2015, 17:12
If it's posted elsewhere i'm sry.

snipeme77
10-08-2015, 21:54
...But how about some good old American boats? Ford Thunderbird, Cadillac Coupe Deville, Pontiac Le Mans, Chevy Bel Air... Nothing like the smell of some overheating, underpowered engines getting .2 MPG and classic FM on the radio mixed with screaming tires. (This was a joke guys calm down)

diesel97
10-08-2015, 22:28
And the car whish list starts :uncomfortableness:

Schnizz58
10-08-2015, 22:50
...But how about some good old American boats? Ford Thunderbird, Cadillac Coupe Deville, Pontiac Le Mans, Chevy Bel Air... Nothing like the smell of some overheating, underpowered engines getting .2 MPG and classic FM on the radio mixed with screaming tires.
Crasher heaven.

TMoney
10-08-2015, 23:02
...But how about some good old American boats? Ford Thunderbird, Cadillac Coupe Deville, Pontiac Le Mans, Chevy Bel Air... Nothing like the smell of some overheating, underpowered engines getting .2 MPG and classic FM on the radio mixed with screaming tires.

This is a racing game not a drive in movie theater. :cool:

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
11-08-2015, 04:09
...But how about some good old American boats? Ford Thunderbird, Cadillac Coupe Deville, Pontiac Le Mans, Chevy Bel Air... Nothing like the smell of some overheating, underpowered engines getting .2 MPG and classic FM on the radio mixed with screaming tires.Could be fun, especially if we got realistically hopeless 50s-70s period road tyres (somewhere in the 0.6-0.7 lateral G region in the dry) to go with them. =)


This is a racing game not a drive in movie theater. :cool:Hehe, but it'd be quite interesting to see how difficult it could be to sail those kinds of cars around a track as quickly as possible. =)

Rayge
11-08-2015, 04:14
I thought this was a Racing Sim... not a street car collecting game.

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
11-08-2015, 04:42
I thought this was a Racing Sim... not a street car collecting game.There's absolutely no reason it couldn't be both, plus considering you don't buy cars in the game it's not really about "collecting" them anyway.

As long as the cars are realistically implemented and you use them to race I don't see how adding any type of car would diminish the "racing sim" aspect of the game. People race all kinds of cars, and have since the history of the automobile. And it's not like anyone is forced to drive anything in the game, there are still plenty of options for people not interested in road cars (more than 2/3 of the line up is still consisting of pure racing cars). =)

Ally_bassman
11-08-2015, 07:14
I think the 'new & old' DLC rumour is pretty spot on.

Especially the BMW 2002 Turbo and BMW 320si Touring car (This is in the initial car list)

Fingers crossed! I'll just buy the DLC for the 320si!

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
11-08-2015, 09:05
Fingers crossed! I'll just buy the DLC for the 320si!And I'd buy it just for the 2002 Turbo, yay, something for everyone. =)

Invincible
11-08-2015, 09:18
I want the 320si so badly. And the new 2015 Mustang GT. :D

danowat
11-08-2015, 09:30
This BMW 320si touring car, is it the E90 that was used in WTCC and BTCC?

Invincible
11-08-2015, 09:35
This BMW 320si touring car, is it the E90 that was used in WTCC and BTCC?

Yes (well, if I am not totally off. But I am 99,9 % sure).

danowat
11-08-2015, 09:41
Yes (well, if I am not totally off. But I am 99,9 % sure).

Sweet, if it is indeed this months pack, then it's all killer, no filler, just thinking about decent rivals / matches to the pack?

- '66 Ford Mustang

Anything rival it?, or single make racing only?

- '15 Ford Mustang GT

Again, what can rival this?, maybe fit in with the Lancer et al?

- BMW 2002 Turbo

Rival for the Escort?, or is the 2002 a bit too powerful?

- BMW 320 Touring Car

Nothing (unfortauntely) to rival this, maybe SMS could add another BTCC/WTCC car to match it?

- Ruf CTR Yellowbird

Can't think of anything off the top of my head, pretty unique piece of kit.

- Ruf RT12R (Free Car 3)

CTR3 is a maybe a bit quick to match it?

T0MMY
11-08-2015, 09:42
This BMW 320si touring car, is it the E90 that was used in WTCC and BTCC?

Based on the original announcement, it is said to be the BTCC version of the E90 3 series: BMW Announcement (http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/slightly-mad-studios-welcomes-bmw-to-project-cars/)

danowat
11-08-2015, 09:45
Based on the original announcement, it is said to be the BTCC version of the E90 3 series: BMW Announcement (http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/slightly-mad-studios-welcomes-bmw-to-project-cars/)

Excellent, hopefully it will come with a decent compliment of BTCC liveries.........

NemethR
11-08-2015, 09:45
Sweet, if it is indeed this months pack, then it's all killer, no filler, just thinking about decent rivals / matches to the pack?

- '66 Ford Mustang

Road C class

- '15 Ford Mustang GT

Road B

- BMW 2002 Turbo

If race car: Gr. 2, if road car: Road A Class. (Hope its a race car)

- BMW 320 Touring Car

Nothing. Maybe Gr. A could "rival" that

- Ruf CTR Yellowbird

Road B class

- Ruf RT12R (Free Car 3)

Road A, most likely on pair with the Zonda Cinque, Gumper Apollo

In my opinion: See above :)

danowat
11-08-2015, 09:47
In my opinion: See above :)

Yeah, just makes me more disappointed with the way PCars grouping system works :(

T0MMY
11-08-2015, 09:49
Sweet, if it is indeed this months pack, then it's all killer, no filler, just thinking about decent rivals / matches to the pack?

- BMW 320 Touring Car

Nothing (unfortauntely) to rival this, maybe SMS could add another BTCC/WTCC car to match it?


For that one, we can check back to SMS's Ford license announcement which has the Ford Focus ST BTCC listed: Ford Announcement (http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/eleven-fords-to-be-included-in-project-cars/)

But there might be some changes to that list, like the Ford Focus ST road car has been swapped for the Ford Focus RS and 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 being swapped for the GT4 Mustang we have now.

RoccoTTS
11-08-2015, 09:53
Sweet, if it is indeed this months pack, then it's all killer, no filler, just thinking about decent rivals / matches to the pack?

- '66 Ford Mustang

Anything rival it?, or single make racing only?

- '15 Ford Mustang GT

Again, what can rival this?, maybe fit in with the Lancer et al?

- BMW 2002 Turbo

Rival for the Escort?, or is the 2002 a bit too powerful?

- BMW 320 Touring Car

Nothing (unfortauntely) to rival this, maybe SMS could add another BTCC/WTCC car to match it?

- Ruf CTR Yellowbird

Can't think of anything off the top of my head, pretty unique piece of kit.

- Ruf RT12R (Free Car 3)

CTR3 is a maybe a bit quick to match it?

This is from the patch 3.0 release notes :
* Escort MK1 and DLC BMW 2002 Turbo – rebalanced the AI performance.

So i think the BMW 2002 Turbo is in the Gr. 2 with the Escort MK1 and the Merc.

danowat
11-08-2015, 09:56
This is from the patch 3.0 release notes :
* Escort MK1 and DLC BMW 2002 Turbo – rebalanced the AI performance.

So i think the BMW 2002 Turbo is in the Gr. 2 with the Escort MK1 and the Merc.

That 'Roten Sau' is a beast!

Might be an interesting mix with the 2002 in there now........

Bealdor
11-08-2015, 09:59
This is from the patch 3.0 release notes :
* Escort MK1 and DLC BMW 2002 Turbo – rebalanced the AI performance.

So i think the BMW 2002 Turbo is in the Gr. 2 with the Escort MK1 and the Merc.

This doesn't essentially mean that those cars are balanced against each other. Sounds more like balancing their AI performance against the player.
Of course I could be wrong though.

NemethR
11-08-2015, 10:13
This doesn't essentially mean that those cars are balanced against each other. Sounds more like balancing their AI performance against the player.
Of course I could be wrong though.

Well, the Escort Mk1, and the 300SEL are pretty nicely balanced.

Bealdor
11-08-2015, 10:32
Like I said, I could be wrong. :p

RoccoTTS
11-08-2015, 11:05
We'll know the answer SMSoon :cool:

amazed
11-08-2015, 11:24
Based on the original announcement, it is said to be the BTCC version of the E90 3 series: BMW Announcement (http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/slightly-mad-studios-welcomes-bmw-to-project-cars/)

Assuming the 328 has been swapped for the 2002?

I think I read that somewhere?

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
11-08-2015, 11:45
Assuming the 328 has been swapped for the 2002?

I think I read that somewhere?Yeah, makes a ton more sense, though I was a bit disappointed by the 328 going away...

x ImJakeyy
11-08-2015, 14:22
This BMW 320si touring car, is it the E90 that was used in WTCC and BTCC?

Yes if I am correct its the WTCC spec car

Im Sorry
11-08-2015, 14:58
Believe what you want from this ;)
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/project-cars-dlc.327456/

MysterG
11-08-2015, 15:05
Merged

united93
11-08-2015, 15:11
you seem to have good insight ,Is there a chance of a GT3 pack , the field is good but needs more depth , Nissan GTR , Ford gt40 Jaguar xkr ? , understand there is now ferrari and lambo licence in this one , but i hope that with sales their budget for pc2 is higher and we'll get more manufactures

JA96
11-08-2015, 16:24
you seem to have good insight ,Is there a chance of a GT3 pack , the field is good but needs more depth , Nissan GTR , Ford gt40 Jaguar xkr ? , understand there is now ferrari and lambo licence in this one , but i hope that with sales their budget for pc2 is higher and we'll get more manufactures

The GT40 MK1 would be a lovely addition, so would the Nismo GTR GT3

x ImJakeyy
11-08-2015, 16:56
And now we have a car request thread, I'm sure any car related thread turns into a request thread

Invincible
11-08-2015, 18:32
Of course it does. Remco was the first to make this thesis. And it still has to be disproved yet.

galaxyjack
11-08-2015, 20:26
I know this is a racing simulator but it doesn't mean you can't race with a road car. It means you can race with any car you want.

bmaytum
11-08-2015, 20:44
And now we have a car request thread, I'm sure any car related thread turns into a request thread

In that spirit of car requests, I'd like to get the Mazda 767B that dominated Le Mans and other tracks to win in ..... 1992 (?) or so. It was my favorite closed car in original GRID game, blasting around Spa !

snipeme77
11-08-2015, 21:31
Honestly all I want is a sort of "No car left behind" attitude. PLEASE NO MORE SINGLE CAR CLASSES... Anyway, all the cars you've all mentioned thus far are cool, but what class will they race in?

Old and new theory's
BMW 2002? Ford Escort and the 6.8 Merc I'm guessing...
BMW M3 WTCC BTCC touring car thing... Maybe matched up against the DTM Merc. (Don't know how they stack up against each other)
Ford Mustang Fastback. Could it go in the same class as the BMW 2002?
Ford Mustang 2015. Maybe matched up against the Evo and friends (Forgot class name, Road C I think)
Ruf Yellowbird. Road B maybe? It is a super car.
Ruf looks like a GT3RS but isn't. Again B I'm guessing.

Toyota Theory's.
Toyota LMP1 car... Well that was easy.
Toyota/Scion FRS. Again the class with the Evo maybe...
Toyota Nascar of somesort... Someone mentioned this on GT planet, don't think it will happen but will be happy if it does
.

x ImJakeyy
11-08-2015, 22:36
Honestly all I want is a sort of "No car left behind" attitude. PLEASE NO MORE SINGLE CAR CLASSES... Anyway, all the cars you've all mentioned thus far are cool, but what class will they race in?

Old and new theory's
BMW 2002? Ford Escort and the 6.8 Merc I'm guessing...
BMW M3 WTCC BTCC touring car thing... Maybe matched up against the DTM Merc. (Don't know how they stack up against each other)
Ford Mustang Fastback. Could it go in the same class as the BMW 2002?
Ford Mustang 2015. Maybe matched up against the Evo and friends (Forgot class name, Road C I think)
Ruf Yellowbird. Road B maybe? It is a super car.
Ruf looks like a GT3RS but isn't. Again B I'm guessing.

Toyota Theory's.
Toyota LMP1 car... Well that was easy.
Toyota/Scion FRS. Again the class with the Evo maybe...
Toyota Nascar of somesort... Someone mentioned this on GT planet, don't think it will happen but will be happy if it does
.

BMW 320si WTCC/BTCC will match with the Focus BTCC when that does arrive.

W/BTCC stand no chance against a DTM

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
12-08-2015, 04:34
Honestly all I want is a sort of "No car left behind" attitude. PLEASE NO MORE SINGLE CAR CLASSES... Anyway, all the cars you've all mentioned thus far are cool, but what class will they race in?

Old and new theory's
BMW 2002? Ford Escort and the 6.8 Merc I'm guessing...
BMW M3 WTCC BTCC touring car thing... Maybe matched up against the DTM Merc. (Don't know how they stack up against each other)
Ford Mustang Fastback. Could it go in the same class as the BMW 2002?
Ford Mustang 2015. Maybe matched up against the Evo and friends (Forgot class name, Road C I think)
Ruf Yellowbird. Road B maybe? It is a super car.
Ruf looks like a GT3RS but isn't. Again B I'm guessing.

Toyota Theory's.
Toyota LMP1 car... Well that was easy.
Toyota/Scion FRS. Again the class with the Evo maybe...
Toyota Nascar of somesort... Someone mentioned this on GT planet, don't think it will happen but will be happy if it does
.2002 and old Fastback are likely candidates to join the Escort and the Pig.
M3 WTCC will stand alone for now, but looking at the old news posts on WMD Portal, the Ford license included a Focus BTCC, so eventually that could also happen. WTCC/BTCC indeed stands absolutely no effing chance whatsoever against DTM machines, WTCC/BTCC cars aren't that far off of GT4 level cars in terms of speed, while DTM eats GT3 cars for breakfast. Even GT1 cars from the 2000s would struggle against the DTM cars of the same period. =)
2015 Mustang would be road C, yeah.
Ruf Yellowbird... Probably C, considering the age, it is an 80s car after all, particularly if the tyres are realistically low grip.
The Rt12R would in all likelihood kick the ass of the GT3 RS from here to next week. It doesn't weigh much more but packs around 300 bhp extra power (it's over 700 bhp, around the same as the Huayra) and is AWD so it can put the power down. I see it going straight into the Road A category as the highest performance AWD road car in-game. It is a bit like an AWD version of a GT2 RS.

I'm sort of of two minds about the issue of single car classes. A lot of the time the most interesting cars are also the most dominant cars from their time, so the competition almost doesn't even matter, they couldn't compete anyway. The 90s active technology Williams F1 cars for example, put that in the game and no other car from the period could really touch it. Also for balanced online racing a single physics class is definitely the fairest and most balanced way to do it, which is why so many mods in games like rFactor include a "league edition" with different bodies but identical physics. Then there's the simple logistics side of things, making one car is quicker, I'd rather have one car now, to be joined by a friend later, than having nothing while waiting for the both of them. Most of the time at least, I'd rather have a car than not have a car overall, so if for example licensing reasons prevent getting more than one car from a series, I'd still like to have at least that one car. Like the DTM Mercedes, I'd rather have that than not have it.

But then again I do love variety, never really sticking with a single car for extended periods, and our GT3 lineup is a great example of how cars that are very different can end up very competitive against each other in the hands of various drivers. So, I can definitely see the want for as many cars in a class as possible.

mrbrownnose
12-08-2015, 06:31
Why is dragracing so misrepresented in games? I think many would love an NHRA licensed game.

NemethR
12-08-2015, 06:44
Why is dragracing so misrepresented in games? I think many would love an NHRA licensed game.

Because we love to turn the steeringwheel :D

hitmanvega
12-08-2015, 07:10
At least then my T300 wont heat up....;)
Because we love to turn the steeringwheel :D

TrevorAustin
12-08-2015, 08:26
I got a Racist / Stereotype "dislike" for this.
Come on guys, have some sense for jokes.

Don't let it get to you, some of the children love the rep system, not realising they have no rep to dish out:) They take them selves very seriously, lol. I'm sure I'll get one for this too:) Wait until you get a teenage stalker using up all his repping power on you once every 24 hours.

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
12-08-2015, 08:49
Why is dragracing so misrepresented in games? I think many would love an NHRA licensed game.There was a pretty dang good drag racing simulator back in the day, I think it was NHRA Drag Racing or something. There's a whole bunch of them inlcuding extensions and sequels it seems, and I saw some others like IHRA Drag Racing as well.

I guess it's because it's partly a bit more niche than other flavors of racing, and partly because it's so far removed from them. Drag racing has very different sort of tyres and drivetrains in use compared to other types of racing, the rules are very different, and the setups deal less with camber angles etc. and more with getting the engine tuned just right for the prevailing conditions (ambient pressure, temperature, humidity, altitude, etc.), and so on. A good drag racing game would need a massive focus on things that aren't as important for accurately simulating most other types of racing, and you can't use much normal racing stuff in proper drag racing, so you'd essentially almost need to build a separate game for it.

galaxyjack
12-08-2015, 10:27
As far as i know, there are four road car classes in the game.
Road D (Ford Focus, Renault Megane etc) Bmw 2002 turbo(road version) and '66 Mustang Fastback belong to road d
Road C (Mitsubishi Lancer Evo, Mercedes A45 etc) Ruf Yellowbird and 2015 Ford Mustang Gt belong to road c
Road B (Mercedes SLS Amg, McLaren F1 etc)
Road A (Mclaren P1, Pagani Huayra etc) Ruf Rt 12r belongs to road a

mrbrownnose
12-08-2015, 11:02
Yes a full blown dragracing game with bikes pro-stock or pro-mods funnycars and topfuel. Dragracing on forza4 was pretty big so i have no doubt it will sell.And maybe add bonneville as a dlc

Raven403
12-08-2015, 11:05
Road cars = Yawn, they're awful to drive in this game anyway.

Invincible
12-08-2015, 11:13
Road cars = Yawn, they're awful to drive in this game anyway.

Don't say that. Or at least give them another chance after patch 3.0. Some road cars really came to life with patch 2.5 on PC.

Bealdor
12-08-2015, 11:16
Road cars = Yawn, they're awful to drive in this game anyway.

From my experience with PC only patch 2.5 they'll be much better with patch 3.0 on the consoles too.

Raven403
12-08-2015, 11:20
From my experience with PC only patch 2.5 they'll be much better with patch 3.0 on the consoles too.

Right but RIGHT NOW they're awful I don't use em. And yeah I saw 3.0 should improve that but I'm still not over the moon about road cars. That's just my opinion, I prefer the purpose built racers in this game, so having more of those is what I'd like. The free cars all being road cars doesn't do anything for me.

Crazy Stiggy
12-08-2015, 11:31
Just add race cars please. I for one still think racing games that have you race road cars on tracks is dumb. Race tracks were built for race cars. I mostly played Forza, GT and PCars with race cars because race cars belong on a track and road cars on the streets.
Maybe we can get some time attack cars one day and some super touring cars from the old days.

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
12-08-2015, 11:32
Fair enough, people have their likes and dislikes. =)

I have always liked the street cars in pCARS though, I just never liked the default setups for most of them. Trying to use as many OEM figures and educated guesses that put them more along the lines of what you might see from a factory standard car already did wonders for them, and the stiffened tyres made them even better (3.0 for those not on PC).

The best motor races I've ever seen have all been the races held by Best MOTORing, driving normal, street condition sports cars against each other on track (Tsukuba, Fuji, Motegi...), the one where a Honda NSX-R was pitted against Lamborghini Gallardo and Murcielago still stands as probably my favorite race ever. My fondest wish is that someone would make that into a proper thing. Until then, we have simulators. =)

Raven403
12-08-2015, 11:51
Fair enough, people have their likes and dislikes. =)

I have always liked the street cars in pCARS though, I just never liked the default setups for most of them. Trying to use as many OEM figures and educated guesses that put them more along the lines of what you might see from a factory standard car already did wonders for them, and the stiffened tyres made them even better (3.0 for those not on PC).

The best motor races I've ever seen have all been the races held by Best MOTORing, driving normal, street condition sports cars against each other on track (Tsukuba, Fuji, Motegi...), the one where a Honda NSX-R was pitted against Lamborghini Gallardo and Murcielago still stands as probably my favorite race ever. My fondest wish is that someone would make that into a proper thing. Until then, we have simulators. =)

Yeah, could be if I spent some time tuning them I could improve the feel some, but im just not interested lol If the default tunes were better I might use one every now and then for kicks, but im not spending time tuning and whatnot.

amazed
12-08-2015, 12:01
That's why I use Jussi's tunes for the road (and some race) cars. He's done the hard work, so I don't have to.... ;)

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
12-08-2015, 13:31
Yeah, could be if I spent some time tuning them I could improve the feel some, but im just not interested lol If the default tunes were better I might use one every now and then for kicks, but im not spending time tuning and whatnot.If you would like to try sometime, I've made OEM style setups (based on as much real life data as I've been able to find, which naturally varies by car) for all the street cars, you can find them by following the link in my signature.

Though it's best to wait until 3.0, since that upgrade by itself makes the street tyres so much better anyway.

draughn101
12-08-2015, 15:32
I'd like to get the gt350r. I'll buy regardless

Raven403
12-08-2015, 15:41
Still waiting for any sign of the C7R :(

amitlr
12-08-2015, 17:54
Love the road cars as they are now (pre patch 3.0/2.5). This is the closest thing for me to real cars i have driven, and will probably drive in the future.
Same with the other 99% of the players. I can only guess most people here didn't drive anything close to some of these road cars, nevermind on a track.
An FQ-400 is not even a normal EVO. The "normal" EVO is not even a normal car. GT3's and GT4's are fun, but don't always offer the same challenge for me.
Trail breaking, loss of traction over fast bumps....this present more realism, especially on the ring.

Although they do feel like they are wearing cheap economy tyres, The physics is spot on.
The challenge is great. Reminds me intentionally using "comfort softs" in GT6 on anything with more than 300bhp and rear wheel drive.

Looking forward for patch 3.0 to address the tyre issue. I know i'll have a blast.

FS7
12-08-2015, 18:10
As far as i know, there are four road car classes in the game.
Road D (Ford Focus, Renault Megane etc) Bmw 2002 turbo(road version) and '66 Mustang Fastback belong to road d
Road C (Mitsubishi Lancer Evo, Mercedes A45 etc) Ruf Yellowbird and 2015 Ford Mustang Gt belong to road c
Road B (Mercedes SLS Amg, McLaren F1 etc)
Road A (Mclaren P1, Pagani Huayra etc) Ruf Rt 12r belongs to road a
Road car classes in PCars:

Road A
Ariel Atom 500 V8
Gumpert Apollo S
McLaren 12C
McLaren P1
Pagani Huayra
Pagani Zonda Cinque Roadster (Modified Car Pack)
Ruf CTR3
W Motors Lykan HyperSport (Free Car)

Road B
Ariel Atom 300 Supercharged
Ariel Atom Mugen (Modified Car Pack)
Audi R8 V10 Plus
BAC Mono
Caterham Superlight R500
McLaren F1 (Limited Edition Car Pack)
Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG
Ruf RGT-8

Road C1
Audi A1 Quattro (Free car)
BMW 1 M Coupé (E82)
Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X FQ400

Road C2
Ford Focus RS
Renault Mégane R.S. 265

Road D
Caterham Seven Classic

Linus27
12-08-2015, 18:55
Would love to see Road C2 have some more cars added, Civic Type R, VW Golf, Seat Leon, Vauxhall Astra etc.

Jake Fangio
12-08-2015, 20:51
I would like to see the BMW 2002,that would be cool.All these japanese car's aint got no soul,and i've had my fill of them with the 900000000000000000 of them in Gran Turismo.

NemethR
12-08-2015, 21:26
Road car classes in PCars:

Road A
Ariel Atom 500 V8
Gumpert Apollo S
McLaren 12C
McLaren P1
Pagani Huayra
Pagani Zonda Cinque Roadster (Modified Car Pack)
Ruf CTR3
W Motors Lykan HyperSport (Free Car)

Road B
Ariel Atom 300 Supercharged
Ariel Atom Mugen (Modified Car Pack)
Audi R8 V10 Plus
BAC Mono
Caterham Superlight R500
McLaren F1 (Limited Edition Car Pack)
Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG
Ruf RGT-8

Road C1
Audi A1 Quattro (Free car)
BMW 1 M Coupé (E82)
Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X FQ400

Road C2
Ford Focus RS
Renault Mégane R.S. 265

Road D
Caterham Seven Classic



That is just bad.

Seriously.

Ok, Caterham Classic is by far the slowest.
Ford is faster then the Megane.
The Audi A1 is in between the Ford and Megane, and way-way slower then the BMW, Mercedes A45, and EVO X

McLaren F1 is much faster then other Road B cars, it can do the same lap times as the McLaren 12C, and both are much slower then the Road A cars.
Gumpert Apollo is the fastest of them all.

I did drive every car, on 5 different racetracks, and the resulst show me the above.

FS7
12-08-2015, 21:56
That is just bad.

Seriously.

Ok, Caterham Classic is by far the slowest.
Ford is faster then the Megane.
The Audi A1 is in between the Ford and Megane, and way-way slower then the BMW, Mercedes A45, and EVO X

McLaren F1 is much faster then other Road B cars, it can do the same lap times as the McLaren 12C, and both are much slower then the Road A cars.
Gumpert Apollo is the fastest of them all.

I did drive every car, on 5 different racetracks, and the resulst show me the above.
I haven't driven every road car but I did notice considerable difference in lap times between the Road A cars when testing them at Silverstone GP.
Maybe SMS could do some work on the road classes on a future patch so that they're better balanced. Imo if one wants to have a balanced road car grid the best way to go atm is to set everybody to use the same car.

amitlr
12-08-2015, 22:00
If you would like to try sometime, I've made OEM style setups (based on as much real life data as I've been able to find, which naturally varies by car) for all the street cars, you can find them by following the link in my signature.

Though it's best to wait until 3.0, since that upgrade by itself makes the street tyres so much better anyway.

Just tried 2 of your OEM setups. the M135 and the A1. Brilliant setups. really liked it. Cars felt more planted.
Although i used the track tyres as i always do, but still a big difference. :yes:

galaxyjack
12-08-2015, 22:13
I don't think that they will divide C class into two groups. They can add Megane and Focus into D class so that Caterham Seven has some rival cars...A1 Quattro is slower than Lancer Evo and A45 Amg but faster than Focus and Megane, yet it is in the same class with Lancer Evo and A45 Amg.

galaxyjack
12-08-2015, 22:37
According to fastestlaps.com, Caterham Seven Classic is faster than Focus Rs on Rockingham National Circuit.

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/caterham_7_14_classic.html

Cheesenium
13-08-2015, 04:12
That is just bad.

Seriously.

Ok, Caterham Classic is by far the slowest.
Ford is faster then the Megane.
The Audi A1 is in between the Ford and Megane, and way-way slower then the BMW, Mercedes A45, and EVO X

McLaren F1 is much faster then other Road B cars, it can do the same lap times as the McLaren 12C, and both are much slower then the Road A cars.
Gumpert Apollo is the fastest of them all.

I did drive every car, on 5 different racetracks, and the resulst show me the above.

Why is it so bad? If you have better suggestion on cars classes, do write them up then.

The Focus is quite competitive with the Megane where the Focus is a bit slower than the Megane at corners. They are perfectly fine but I think A1 belongs in the same class.

However, A1 also trashes the 1M, A45 and Evo X on tracks with lots of corners but that car in my experience, it really lacks of top speed even compared to the Focus and Megane. I did quite a few races with road multiclass, it is quite common to see Focus and Megane overtaking my A1 on the straights. I really think the A1 needs to be put in Road C2 instead of C1.

Mclaren F1 should be in Road B because it handles like a pig in corners. It will be almost on par with Road A in tracks with more straights, like Dubai Club but it will fall behind on twisty tracks.

12C is the odd ball, it is too fast for Road B but too slow for Road A. It needs more cars that is on par with it which the game doesnt have till now so that they could be in a separate class.

Grumpet is alright, one of the faster Road As but the Atom and the rest can keep up with it.

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
13-08-2015, 04:36
They're street cars, they don't balance out perfectly in real life either, at best you can get rough performance classes like we have. That's one of the things I like about them so much, enables different level drivers to go head to head with one another by using different cars, or different tyres. Of course it doesn't really suit the purposes of a balanced out series, but I really wouldn't expect it to. The worst thing they could do is try and force the cars to balance out, taking out the personalities from the cars. =)

That said I'm not a massive fan of the current grouping either, I think we'd need more classes to better pick cars suited to racing each other, and drawing the borders again a bit. I'd also love to see the same car make appearances in different classes depending on the tyres it's running, the tyres are enough to change the performance of the cars massively. The 12C for example is much more capable against the faster Road A cars if it's allowed Track or Street Medium tyres while the others are on All Weathers. Unfortunately forcing setup limitations like that isn't really possible right now, not without a gentlemen's agreement.
Just tried 2 of your OEM setups. the M135 and the A1. Brilliant setups. really liked it. Cars felt more planted.
Although i used the track tyres as i always do, but still a big difference. :yes:Thanks. =)

Note that the M135 is a different car from the 1-Series M Coupe, which is what we have. The M135 isn't quite as special, and is significantly slower around a lap. The 1M Coupe can (based on FastestLaps* at least) more or less match the M3 E92 on most tracks, sometimes winning by a bit, sometimes losing by a bit.

For a more authentic experience I generally recommend staying with the tyres suggested. For example the McLaren F1 OEM setup I made is representing the softer original car from the early 90s, which indeed was sprung quite softly, and had a LOT of body roll even with the old tyres (best represented in-game by the Denloc tyres). If you put modern or even just high, track day kind of grip levels on a soft suspension like that (with the "McLaren F1" tyre choice) the forces are going to be so high that the car's body is just being thrown around, the suspension can't handle the amount of grip. The McLaren F1 is the extreme case, but not the only one. The "McLaren F1" tyres are putting out cornering performance on the level of the Street Medium tyres (so comparable to modern Extreme Grip tyres like the P Zero Corsa or Pilot Sport Cup 2), and with that you should use stiffer spring and damping options, much like the kit used in the McLaren F1 LM special edition, and available to the old spec F1 cars as well. I'm expecting the 2015 Mustang GT to also suffer from this, the base car has MASSIVELY soft suspension, it really needs upgraded spring rates to run proper performance rubber. =)

*On the subject of FastestLaps.com, everyone needs to remember that the majority of times there are more "the car can go at least this fast on this track", rather than "this is as fast as the car can go on this track". Those laptimes aren't the result of the kind of effort you see from race cars on a race weekend, they're often done by a guy who hasn't had that much time with the car, can't do many laps, may be using somewhat worn tyres on a press car, the weather conditions might not be optimal, they'd often get into trouble for wrecking the car, etc. etc. etc. For example on the Nordschleife I've seen in the past the times be suddenly improved by half a minute for some cars, just from changing the driver. Other times do come from proper factory efforts, like the Nismo GT-R lap around Nords.

So FastestLaps.com is a fun site with some nice information, but it is not gospel by any means.

JA96
13-08-2015, 05:11
This post is starting to lose context. This is supposed to be about the DLC not a car class rant lol!

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
13-08-2015, 05:28
I think we've gone through just about everything that we wanted to say about the DLC speculations quite early on. =)

NemethR
13-08-2015, 06:15
Why is it so bad? If you have better suggestion on cars classes, do write them up then.

The Focus is quite competitive with the Megane where the Focus is a bit slower than the Megane at corners. They are perfectly fine but I think A1 belongs in the same class.

However, A1 also trashes the 1M, A45 and Evo X on tracks with lots of corners but that car in my experience, it really lacks of top speed even compared to the Focus and Megane. I did quite a few races with road multiclass, it is quite common to see Focus and Megane overtaking my A1 on the straights. I really think the A1 needs to be put in Road C2 instead of C1.

Mclaren F1 should be in Road B because it handles like a pig in corners. It will be almost on par with Road A in tracks with more straights, like Dubai Club but it will fall behind on twisty tracks.

12C is the odd ball, it is too fast for Road B but too slow for Road A. It needs more cars that is on par with it which the game doesnt have till now so that they could be in a separate class.

Grumpet is alright, one of the faster Road As but the Atom and the rest can keep up with it.

I have not seen any track where the Megane would be faster then the Focus.
Also I did not see any track, where the A1 woul dbe faster then the 1M Coupe, A45 or EVO X.
I can manage times in between the Megane and Focus on all tracks with the A1.
That is bad.

Also: the McLaren F1 is bad in the corners, but makes up for it in the straights. For example even at Zolder the car is much faster then the rest of Road B

amitlr
13-08-2015, 13:22
Nice video with the Focus (ST) and Megane... :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR2uUb4d4NI

With a good setup i am able to beat the Evo and bmw with the A1 on the ring. Starting middle pack, or even towards the end.
Not so easy , and the main problem is always one rabbit that is almost impossible to catch. goes much faster than the rest of the pack.
Have to always block it on the last straight because of the A1 much lower top speed.
AI not at 100%, but i am working on it....

Not a perfect run by any means (missed a few gears), but you can see the rabbit here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vTQKtKW7vA

x ImJakeyy
14-08-2015, 16:05
Well 6 new cars in the files for the game within update 3.0

BMW 2002 Turbo
BMW 320si Touring Car
Ford Mustang Fastback 66
Ford Mustang GT 2015
RUF RT12R
RUF Yellowbird

bc525
14-08-2015, 19:07
Well 6 new cars in the files for the game within update 3.0

BMW 2002 Turbo
BMW 320si Touring Car
Ford Mustang Fastback 66
Ford Mustang GT 2015
RUF RT12R
RUF Yellowbird

Little disappointed with this group, I was hoping for some more racing class cars (mainly the Corvette C7R). This will be the first DLC for PCARS that I'll be passing up. Oh well, look forward to the next car/track pack.

yusupov
14-08-2015, 19:18
it looks to be my favorite pack yet :D

but agreed on the C7R!

Machinist90
14-08-2015, 19:21
Little disappointed with this group, I was hoping for some more racing class cars (mainly the Corvette C7R). This will be the first DLC for PCARS that I'll be passing up. Oh well, look forward to the next car/track pack.

ditto,besodes the 320 touring BMW...no interest but exciting for people who prefer road cars

amazed
14-08-2015, 19:24
but exciting for people who prefer road cars

Aye, all those road cars are gonna give @Jussi some work to do!

Can't wait for this Pack (and his setups)...:yes:

m355y
14-08-2015, 20:06
Little disappointed with this group, I was hoping for some more racing class cars (mainly the Corvette C7R). This will be the first DLC for PCARS that I'll be passing up. Oh well, look forward to the next car/track pack.

Me too. And the one out of those that does look interesting, the 320tc, will be in a class by itself won't it?

Might actually (and I never thought I'd say this) pass on this one.

Scuderia Paul
14-08-2015, 21:51
I will still buy the DLC but the BMW 320Si Touring Car is the only one I am excited for. I will certainly give the rest a blast but racing cars are where my interest lies. Cannot complain as we have done well with racing cars so far.

People who prefer road cars will be in heaven though!

T0MMY
15-08-2015, 01:58
If the 2002 Turbo class with the Escort and 300 SEL, this pack will be awesome for me. I really want more cars on that class.

maxter
15-08-2015, 05:19
If the 2002 Turbo class with the Escort and 300 SEL, this pack will be awesome for me. I really want more cars on that class.

Yes indeed, would love to see a Mazda RX3, Holden Torana GTR and maybe an Alfa Romeo GTA as well. Awesome

TheReaper GT
15-08-2015, 06:03
Read somewhere that some Red Bull files are included in the patch. Any PC user care to confirm?

danowat
15-08-2015, 08:51
Is the 2002 a road car?, or is it a race car?

Is the 66 Mustang a race car?, sure I read somewhere it was an SCCA (or something) race car?

x ImJakeyy
15-08-2015, 13:59
Read somewhere that some Red Bull files are included in the patch. Any PC user care to confirm?

Non in the visible files, so unless some is locked away. I doubt it until next months patch

x ImJakeyy
15-08-2015, 13:59
If the 2002 Turbo class with the Escort and 300 SEL, this pack will be awesome for me. I really want more cars on that class.

Judging by Patch 3.0's notes the BMW 2002 will be placed against the Escort.

x ImJakeyy
15-08-2015, 14:00
Little disappointed with this group, I was hoping for some more racing class cars (mainly the Corvette C7R). This will be the first DLC for PCARS that I'll be passing up. Oh well, look forward to the next car/track pack.

No offence but don't be looking for new brands yet, keep looking at what has been announced to come.

Then once what's been announced is done then expect new brands.

KK78
21-08-2015, 12:16
Not sure if this posted elsewhere, did a quick search but could not find it, browsing through the Community Events this morning and I noticed that an upcoming event is in the RUF Yellow Bird as part of the New VS Old pack- makes me very happy :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CM7oNstWEAApsx0.jpg:large

Dmitry Afanasyev
21-08-2015, 12:23
Check this one https://instagram.com/projectcarsgame/ :)

NemethR
21-08-2015, 12:35
Only 1 race car - and even that is without any competition in its class :(

yusupov
21-08-2015, 12:38
man, i hope i dont whine when oval DLC comes like people are about this one...its optional guys.

NemethR
21-08-2015, 12:41
man, i hope i dont whine when oval DLC comes like people are about this one...its optional guys.

IF it would be optional you could buy each car seperately.

I see it like that:
Most people would not be interested in the Mustangs, or the old BMW, so lets pair them with the RUF CTR, and the Touring car, so that people who are interested in only the touring car, will also buy the pack :)

Bealdor
21-08-2015, 12:42
Threads merged.

poet
21-08-2015, 12:58
IF it would be optional you could buy each car seperately.

I see it like that:
Most people would not be interested in the Mustangs, or the old BMW, so lets pair them with the RUF CTR, and the Touring car, so that people who are interested in only the touring car, will also buy the pack :)


It's a perfectly understandable sales technique to ensure maximum sales of the DLC.


But it's still a d*ckmove and doesn't reflect well on SMS at all.

Raven403
21-08-2015, 13:05
IF it would be optional you could buy each car seperately.

I see it like that:
Most people would not be interested in the Mustangs, or the old BMW, so lets pair them with the RUF CTR, and the Touring car, so that people who are interested in only the touring car, will also buy the pack :)

Nailed it. Group the one car people actually want with 4 others no one does. 2 mustangs, a Yellowbird (Yawn) and another RUF (yawn again) and a BTCC CAR!? SWEET! Oh but there are no other cars in the BTCC's class...........awesome........ Wish the old mustang WAS SCCA Trans Am spec, would atleast make it MORE interesting. But after playing 3.0 on PC the road car physics atleast make them more fun to drive, so theres that

Mahjik
21-08-2015, 13:15
Just FYI, it's not based on "grouping cars nobody wants with a car everybody wants". There is no way to predict that.... The are cars being developed and released are the cars they have licenses for... Nothing more, nothing less... They don't have a BTCC license, but they have manufacturer license which includes a (older) BTCC car. With that, there will be the single BTCC car being released (at some point).

No one knows outside of the staff what deals are either pending or coming so there may be more cars coming from the "wish list" (i.e. they aren't going to announce anything until it's inked). However, I would say that the only thing we as users can count on for likely the rest of this year is the only the known 'already licensed' content (which will be more vehicles from the already known manufacturers).

NemethR
21-08-2015, 13:28
Just FYI, it's not based on "grouping cars nobody wants with a car everybody wants". There is no way to predict that.... The are cars being developed and released are the cars they have licenses for... Nothing more, nothing less... They don't have a BTCC license, but they have manufacturer license which includes a (older) BTCC car. With that, there will be the single BTCC car being released (at some point).

No one knows outside of the staff what deals are either pending or coming so there may be more cars coming from the "wish list" (i.e. they aren't going to announce anything until it's inked). However, I would say that the only thing we as users can count on for likely the rest of this year is the only the known 'already licensed' content (which will be more vehicles from the already known manufacturers).

I somehow can't believe, that a UK based company, cannot get the license for the BTCC, especially for such a title.

x ImJakeyy
21-08-2015, 13:42
I somehow can't believe, that a UK based company, cannot get the license for the BTCC, especially for such a title.

But you only get a BTCC licence to use liveries, driver names and team names, and other BTCC specific sponsors.

What is really needed is manufacture licences, hence why we are getting the Renault Laguna from the 90s, at some stage getting a Ford Focus BTCC.

If SMS could get all manufactures to agree to allowing all of 2014 or 2015 cars in, then SMS could approach TOCA to get a BTCC licence to use liveries, driver names and BTCC specific sponsors.

NemethR
21-08-2015, 13:48
But you only get a BTCC licence to use liveries, driver names and team names, and other BTCC specific sponsors.

What is really needed is manufacture licences, hence why we are getting the Renault Laguna from the 90s, at some stage getting a Ford Focus BTCC.

If SMS could get all manufactures to agree to allowing all of 2014 or 2015 cars in, then SMS could approach TOCA to get a BTCC licence to use liveries, driver names and BTCC specific sponsors.

Ok, but then why don't we have the DTM cars in the game, Manufacturers are present.
But the issue is the DTM license, also we could have the F1 BMW, Mercedes and McLaren in the game then, but we don't.

I am pretty sure, that manufacturers are tied to the series licence somehow.

poet
21-08-2015, 14:09
I somehow can't believe, that a UK based company, cannot get the license for the BTCC, especially for such a title.

There are well known (search is your friend) legal reasons why we'll probably never see a BTCC license in a game. :(

cpl
21-08-2015, 14:39
It's a perfectly understandable sales technique to ensure maximum sales of the DLC.


But it's still a d*ckmove and doesn't reflect well on SMS at all.

it also doesn't reflect what they tell us "On Demand" is.


PROJECT CARS ON DEMAND is our commitment to keeping Project CARS up-to-date with the greatest, freshest, and most critical content whilst also allowing players to pick and choose the cars & tracks they want - without being locked in to a pre-paid scheme.

sure. i don't need a season pass, but i don't get to pick and choose the cars and tracks i want. to get one car i have to buy the rest which i'm not even interested in. good that the dlc is very fairly priced.

Racer Pro
21-08-2015, 14:42
sms out the dlc now and take my money.

graveltrap
21-08-2015, 14:46
The road cars did get a very nice improvement with the last patch, so they (well the ones I have tried) are much better than before, the pack does have more appeal. Not to be a cynic but I wonder what the uptake would be if the Touring car was the free car for August...

Mahjik
21-08-2015, 14:50
Ok, but then why don't we have the DTM cars in the game, Manufacturers are present.
But the issue is the DTM license, also we could have the F1 BMW, Mercedes and McLaren in the game then, but we don't.

I am pretty sure, that manufacturers are tied to the series licence somehow.

SMS doesn't have a license for every car those manufacturers have/make. The license is only for a set number of cars.. For instance, here's what was provided from BMW:

http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/slightly-mad-studios-welcomes-bmw-to-project-cars/

With that, just because BMW has a DTM car, doesn't mean SMS has the license to use it..

Raven403
21-08-2015, 14:51
SMS doesn't have a license for every car those manufacturers have/make. The license is only for a set number of cars.. For instance, here's what was provided from BMW:

http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/slightly-mad-studios-welcomes-bmw-to-project-cars/

With that, just because BMW has a DTM car, doesn't mean SMS has the license to use it..

Heres my Question. Why WOULDNT you get the Bmw DTM car or the Audi when you have the Merc? What sense does that make? And theres gotta be more to it than that bc why are there no fake sponsor liveries on the Merc DTM?

Tomcul
21-08-2015, 14:55
So does that mean we'll see the rest of the bmw's that we don't have now?

Mahjik
21-08-2015, 14:55
Heres my Question. Why WOULDNT you get the Bmw DTM car or the Audi when you have the Merc? What sense does that make? And theres gotta be more to it than that bc why are there no fake sponsor liveries on the Merc DTM?

I don't know that Audi nor BMW were offering those licenses. I'm sure SMS would have gotten them if they were possible. Those that saw the early pCARS videos remember that SMS had modeled the Audi A4 DTM car originally (granted, it wouldn't compete logically with the Mercedes DTM car that was licensed).

As for the liveries, that has to do with the official series DTM license. The racing liveries were not allowed so it wouldn't appear as a possible infringement on the official DTM license.

Bealdor
21-08-2015, 14:57
Heres my Question. Why WOULDNT you get the Bmw DTM car or the Audi when you have the Merc? What sense does that make? And theres gotta be more to it than that bc why are there no fake sponsor liveries on the Merc DTM?

Because both companies said "No way!" when they were asked for their DTM cars. Actually it's more surprising that Merc said yes (with restrictions though) to their C Class DTM than not having the other cars too.

Raven403
21-08-2015, 14:58
I don't know that Audi nor BMW were offering those licenses. I'm sure SMS would have gotten them if they were possible. Those that saw the early pCARS videos remember that SMS had modeled the Audi A4 DTM car originally (granted, it wouldn't compete logically with the Mercedes DTM car that was licensed).

As for the liveries, that has to do with the official series DTM license. The racing liveries were not allowed so it wouldn't appear as a possible infringement on the official DTM license.

Interesting. Really woulda been nice to have a DTM field.

Raven403
21-08-2015, 14:58
Because both companies said "No way!" when they were asked for their DTM cars. Actually it's more surprising that Merc said yes (with restrictions though) to their C Class DTM than not having the other cars too.

Why?? What's the big deal

Bealdor
21-08-2015, 15:05
Why?? What's the big deal

The ITR is very strict regarding their licence.

Lawndarts
21-08-2015, 15:07
A race series license and manufacture license are completely different with vastly different licenses. Sometimes you need both manufacture and series license to do a series.

Let's take F1 for example; you must ship a game annually, you can't diverge from the rules and need to represent things that might otherwise be pointless in a game, you have to include all title and entitlement sponsors, not always included with the main license. Each sponsor has their own say in how their brand is represented, you have to have all drivers, cars, and tracks. Sounds great for us gamers! But it's a lot of work on a compressed timeline for developers, and the lisence can change each year just like the rules. Exceptions need to be negotiated ahead of time if any are allowed... Then you pay the fee and expected royalties.

I think we all want what's expected from these deals, but we don't want the rest of the product to suffer or be limited by them. So a couple cars, a livery editor, and most of the tracks, and we can easily fill some gaps.

poet
21-08-2015, 15:11
Isn't DTM licensed out to Simbins rental-microtransactions game RRRE?

Tompo
21-08-2015, 15:49
Then I'm wondering how you get those licenses for the 200+ cars from over 40 different vehicle classes in project cars 2, since it appears you can't get them for pcars 1.

NemethR
21-08-2015, 15:56
The problem is:

We have too many racing classes, that have 1 or 2 vehicles in them.
Its pointless.

Classes like the GT3, GT4 where you have a lot of cars, are the way to go, having a BMW 320si in the game is cool, but its just boring to have a Single make cup, when there are a lot more cars, that rae in that series. No point including only one car, then get another car for an already existing class.

They say sometimes less is more, well, I think less racing classes would be better, with more cars in them.

I mean its nice, to have a Clio Cup, and a Ginetta Cup, but having a:
- DTM Mercedes cup
- BTCC BMW cup
- Sauber C9 cup
- Ford GT40 cup
- Trans-Am Mustang cup
- Audi 90 IMSA GTO Cup
etc...

Is a bit pointless.
imho.

x ImJakeyy
21-08-2015, 16:09
Then I'm wondering how you get those licenses for the 200+ cars from over 40 different vehicle classes in project cars 2, since it appears you can't get them for pcars 1.

Because when you approach a company with a New IP they will just say no and walk away from you, but when you return with proof of sales of the 1st IP and want for DLC or a 2nd game they will think about it then.

Or you just have a LOT of money to let that do the talking.

diesel97
21-08-2015, 16:10
The problem is:

We have too many racing classes, that have 1 or 2 vehicles in them.
Its pointless.

Classes like the GT3, GT4 where you have a lot of cars, are the way to go, having a BMW 320si in the game is cool, but its just boring to have a Single make cup, when there are a lot more cars, that rae in that series. No point including only one car, then get another car for an already existing class.

They say sometimes less is more, well, I think less racing classes would be better, with more cars in them.

I mean its nice, to have a Clio Cup, and a Ginetta Cup, but having a:
- DTM Mercedes cup
- BTCC BMW cup
- Sauber C9 cup
- Ford GT40 cup
- Trans-Am Mustang cup
- Audi 90 IMSA GTO Cup
etc...

Is a bit pointless.
imho.

Maybe in 2 years the big picture will look brighter

Lawndarts
21-08-2015, 16:13
Then I'm wondering how you get those licenses for the 200+ cars from over 40 different vehicle classes in project cars 2, since it appears you can't get them for pcars 1.

There is something very different about pcars 2 that we don't know yet. And that core reason is likely what justifies a version 2, instead of continuing to expand on the first. Licenses aren't always about adding content, they can be harder to obtain if you have content that a License does not favor or the type of license is limited so the vehicles can be used freely through the game.

Notice R3R had to release modules for DTM etc. and the content isn't mixed with the rest of the game.

Pcars 2 announced some neat features that we think would have been a great enhancement to version 1, but what they didn't tell us was how the core game is structured. Personally I'm worried about dirt in pcars 2... Sounds fun but it's a whole different avenue of development, FX, racing discipline, cars, etc. and that means resources that could be used to add more Tarmac content are being used elsewhere. I'd hoped that pcars would finally be that racing franchise that goes deeper into racing, not wider.

Also remember, SMS are now working on a flight sim due out next year also... So as a business they are also going wide before more firmly establishing themselves as a definitive racer first. If they had patience and focused on eliminating our reasons for ever needing to play another racing game, they could be the modern day Sim Bin of the late 90's/early 2000's. That's a hell of a legacy to reestablish, then open a new division for other completely different products. But hey, it's 2015 and the eve of a new recession so business needs to seek new customers as consumers continue to vanish... Games market is firmly driven by the lower/middle class and despite growth in the games space (always new gamers), gamers are buying fewer products than they used to. So i can't fault SMS, just wish someone would take the lead on a definitive racer we have all been wanting.

Flaw3dGenius
21-08-2015, 16:39
Because when you approach a company with a New IP they will just say no and walk away from you, but when you return with proof of sales of the 1st IP and want for DLC or a 2nd game they will think about it then.

Or you just have a LOT of money to let that do the talking.

Wasnt Race Room a new ip?

And i doubt Simbin had lots of money.

rocafella1978
21-08-2015, 17:51
Maybe in 2 years the big picture will look brighter
i say in 3-5 years someone will come around with a new idea, atm I think it is licensing issues for pCARS for most manufacturers and i really don't expect many more vehicles to be added to their classes in current pCARS. too many lonely/ single cars, left to run their own classes, basically PORSCHE (RUF) CUP gallore. some LMP1, LMP2, GT3 and GT4...that is it.(of course open wheels...) other studios and publishers have managed to come out with various vehicles / quantity in classes, also much more fun for consumer to get DLC packs as classes.

one thing which amazes me, yet not implemented, but advertised as sim racing game as real as it gets (love the game, don't get me wrong) BUT you can NOT run multiclass event like 24hrs of LeMans or other iconic multiclass events, because game does not have or support classes seperation/ scoring and results system....

anyways, i think just way too many useless cars in the game, but surely something to do with licensing.

Glad I have my PC and able to play and race other games. but again, pCARS is great just a tad too many bugs, glitches and problems and the lack of 1st level (or whatever it is called) support by and from SMS directly.

diesel97
21-08-2015, 17:59
i say in 3-5 years someone will come around with a new idea, atm I think it is licensing issues for pCARS for most manufacturers and i really don't expect many more vehicles to be added to their classes in current pCARS. too many lonely/ single cars, left to run their own classes, basically PORSCHE (RUF) CUP gallore. some LMP1, LMP2, GT3 and GT4...that is it.(of course open wheels...) other studios and publishers have managed to come out with various vehicles / quantity in classes, also much more fun for consumer to get DLC packs as classes.

one thing which amazes me, yet not implemented, but advertised as sim racing game as real as it gets (love the game, don't get me wrong) BUT you can NOT run multiclass event like 24hrs of LeMans or other iconic multiclass events, because game does not have or support classes seperation/ scoring and results system....

anyways, i think just way too many useless cars in the game, but surely something to do with licensing.

Glad I have my PC and able to play and race other games. but again, pCARS is great just a tad too many bugs, glitches and problems and the lack of 1st level (or whatever it is called) support by and from SMS directly.

What i meant in my statement was that all the rest of the DLC's might fill in the empty holes in the classes.There are alot of "coming soon " options left so who know's maybe multi class could be one of them.

Racer Pro
21-08-2015, 18:05
sms give the dlc before the xbox one patch 3.0 for ps4 and pc owner.

Hornetvenom
21-08-2015, 18:17
Just a thought. If due to licensing SMS cannot give us other BTCC cars or cars that can race in the same category as the BMW, can they not do what they have done with the prototype class and make a few of their own cars? It's far from ideal but it'd mean we could have a more interesting touring championship should we want to.

maurice-pascale
21-08-2015, 18:20
Its just sad that they release soooo much cars as a DLC which are ready to launch since over a year ago......saw the ford mustang GT 2015 over a year ago on the WMD site...

all this cars would be great for the launch of Pcars.....

i just hope there wil be REAL new content in the next DLC's over the month's.......for now there is no suprise in there....all cars and DLC's are allready known and not very suprising

TheReaper GT
21-08-2015, 18:21
Just a thought. If due to licensing SMS cannot give us other BTCC cars or cars that can race in the same category as the BMW, can they not do what they have done with the prototype class and make a few of their own cars? It's far from ideal but it'd mean we could have a more interesting touring championship should we want to.

I don't think so, because prototypes can be made by any person in the world if they respect regulations. Touring models must be production cars.

Cheesenium
21-08-2015, 18:24
Isn't DTM licensed out to Simbins rental-microtransactions game RRRE?

Yes, R3E has the DTM license along with the German GT3 championship license, ADAC and also 1992 DTM where it is the last DTM that uses Group A rules. They also had a lengthy relationship with WTCC. The game is pretty strong in terms of touring content but they do not have any road cars while their prototypes are all fictional so far. Their classic cars content is still a little weak at the moment as they only have the excellent Group 5 and Group A.

R3E doesn't work on rental or microtrasactions system. The game pretty much works on expansion style business model where you buy the content you want. Sort of a DIY game to have only the content you like. It just the awful store is quite misleading to new players. Also, Simbin is dead where the game is handled by a new studio called sector 3 where they had been constantly improving the game since last year.

It is a pretty good game now with some unique content that Pcars or other games doesn't have. I put in about $80 and I own almost all the content in the game so far. R3E is definitely worth playing now, in my opinion as they do have content like DTM, WTCC and a massive Group 5 roster that Pcars doesn't have while they do have plans for a 90s trans am and Group C pack in the future which made this game compliments some of Pcars's weakest content. I quite enjoy the physics too, a little bit feel like the old GTR or Race 07 but with some very good improvements, like their new transmission model and upgraded tires. Instead of some people complaining Pcars has too many "cup" cars as SMS doesn't have as much money and track record to license more manufacturers to expand those classes, I pick up a few racing games so they compliment each other's weakness and play by their strengths.

Pcars is absolutely amazing in GT racing with full weather cycles and day/night and also some of the road cars are good fun to drive while other games has their strengths lies elsewhere. It is the best long race racing game for me so far where I always turn to Pcars if I want a lengthy battle with the really good AI. I can't deny that some content like classic race cars are generally weaker than modern cars which I hope it will be expanded upon in the future.

Hornetvenom
21-08-2015, 18:27
I don't think so, because prototypes can be made by every person in the world of they respect regulations. Touring models must be production cars.

In reality yes. Let's not get away from this being a game however. Look at Formula A etc. We all know it's based on F1 and accept it. I don't think they're as limited as you think mate. (I could be wrong and probably am.)

Bealdor
21-08-2015, 18:28
Its just sad that they release soooo much cars as a DLC which are ready to launch since over a year ago......saw the ford mustang GT 2015 over a year ago on the WMD site...

Where did you get this impression from? The latest vehicle artist's post for this car is from June 2015. The first(!) physics pass was introduced in March 2015 (first pass means it's far from finished btw).
So please don't accuse SMS of allegedly holding one year old content back to sell it later as DLC because it's simply not true.

Cheesenium
21-08-2015, 18:32
Just a thought. If due to licensing SMS cannot give us other BTCC cars or cars that can race in the same category as the BMW, can they not do what they have done with the prototype class and make a few of their own cars? It's far from ideal but it'd mean we could have a more interesting touring championship should we want to.

There is also Focus BTCC that is licensed for the game but I am not too sure what happened to it so the BMW 320i won't be a solo car in that class.

Hopefully, there will be more licenses coming in the future for Pcars. The new WTCC Cruze would be a fantastic fit for Pcars.

TheReaper GT
21-08-2015, 18:32
In reality yes. Let's not get away from this being a game however. Look at Formula A etc. We all know it's based on F1 and accept it. I don't think they're as limited as you think mate. (I could be wrong and probably am.)

But again, formula cars are not production cars.

x ImJakeyy
21-08-2015, 18:35
Its just sad that they release soooo much cars as a DLC which are ready to launch since over a year ago......saw the ford mustang GT 2015 over a year ago on the WMD site...

all this cars would be great for the launch of Pcars.....

i just hope there wil be REAL new content in the next DLC's over the month's.......for now there is no suprise in there....all cars and DLC's are allready known and not very suprising

The mustang wasn't ready one year ago, they may have started work 1 year ago.

Also having a model fully made is only part of the job, then audio, physics and other stuff has to be done.

Just because a model might be finished doesn't mean its ready to ship

Hornetvenom
21-08-2015, 18:38
But again, formula cars are not production cars.

I'm aware. The regulations though are very strict. I honestly do not think it'd be seen as a problem, and as I said.... It was nothing more than a thought. I don't ever see it happening.

FS7
21-08-2015, 19:49
Are PC & PS4 players getting DLC next week? Or do we have to wait for slow Microsoft to release the X1 patch?

Sasquatch
21-08-2015, 20:08
I don't think so, because prototypes can be made by every person in the world of they respect regulations. Touring models must be production cars.

I think some are forgetting the RUF RGT8 GT3 & RUF CTR3 SMS-R GT1X are completely fictional production-based race cars.

I don't see why a Renault Megane RS265 and Ford Focus RS can see the same imaginary touring car treatment to rival the upcoming BMW 320i. Throw some wildcards in there, the BMW 1M and the Mistubishi EvolutionX... it's not impeding a WTCC/BTCC license. I love seeing dev's take a real car and dream a race car version up - Gran Turismo held some fantastic, rather unbalanced, imaginary creations under the licenses.

TheReaper GT
21-08-2015, 20:12
I think some are forgetting the RUF RGT8 GT3 & RUF CTR3 SMS-R GT1X are completely fictional production-based race cars.

I don't see why a Renault Megane RS265 and Ford Focus RS can see the same imaginary touring car treatment to rival the upcoming BMW 320i. Throw some wildcards in there, the BMW 1M and the Mistubishi EvolutionX... it's not impeding a WTCC/BTCC license. I love seeing dev's take a real car and dream a race car version up - Gran Turismo held some fantastic, rather unbalanced, imaginary creations under the licenses.

This is a whole different thing, the maker help develop those cars, even build one RGT8 GT3, in my opinion they are not fantasy, they are visions. We are talking about entirely made up cars here. Even if SMS make a BTCC focus not based on the real thing, it will be a BTCC focus and need the proper license, which I bet would be even harder to get, since it not reflects the real car.

Invincible
21-08-2015, 22:06
This is a whole different thing, the maker help develop those cars, even build one RGT8 GT3, in my opinion they are not fantasy, they are visions. We are talking about entirely made up cars here. Even if SMS make a BTCC focus not based on the real thing, it will be a BTCC focus and need the proper license, which I bet would be even harder to get, since it not reflects the real car.

And on top of that, SMS already HAS the Ford Focus BTCC licence (2012 Focus ST).

Sasquatch
21-08-2015, 22:20
This is a whole different thing, the maker help develop those cars, even build one RGT8 GT3, in my opinion they are not fantasy, they are visions. We are talking about entirely made up cars here. Even if SMS make a BTCC focus not based on the real thing, it will be a BTCC focus and need the proper license, which I bet would be even harder to get, since it not reflects the real car.

Wouldn't a vision make it fantasy though? It simply does not exist beyond the digital realm.

I mean if SMS make a, in-the-case-a "vision" BTCC Focus, and it's not a BTCC Focus. This is because what is represented in game is a Ford Focus RS and not a S2000 Ford Focus ST Mk3. It's simply a touring car that's granted under the Ford branding license and Focus trademark name. It's the samething as DTM. There's clearly a modern Mercedes DTM spec C-Class in the game. You put the exact DTM spec Audi A4 which was modeled in alpha stages.. you literally are representing the DTM without their rights.

Gran Turismo ran away with their own digital realm creation of touring cars including a Toyota Altezza, Subaru Impreza, Mitsubishi FTO, Mazda RX7, Honda S2000, etc. Because those cars represented real things - they simply were not. It wasn't a representation of the Super Taikyu series at all.

They smacked "LM Edition" at the end of their name and done. Later to be "Super Touring" or something now.

Neil Hopwood
21-08-2015, 22:39
The mustang wasn't ready one year ago, they may have started work 1 year ago.

Also having a model fully made is only part of the job, then audio, physics and other stuff has to be done.

Just because a model might be finished doesn't mean its ready to ship

Plus if you saw a model is was probably the LODX model (maybe LODA). There are still 4 or 5 other models that need to be done. Plus textures and what not. 1 finished model means very little.

snipeme77
21-08-2015, 23:26
Wouldn't a vision make it fantasy though? It simply does not exist beyond the digital realm.

I mean if SMS make a, in-the-case-a "vision" BTCC Focus, and it's not a BTCC Focus. This is because what is represented in game is a Ford Focus RS and not a S2000 Ford Focus ST Mk3. It's simply a touring car that's granted under the Ford branding license and Focus trademark name. It's the samething as DTM. There's clearly a modern Mercedes DTM spec C-Class in the game. You put the exact DTM spec Audi A4 which was modeled in alpha stages.. you literally are representing the DTM without their rights.

Gran Turismo ran away with their own digital realm creation of touring cars including a Toyota Altezza, Subaru Impreza, Mitsubishi FTO, Mazda RX7, Honda S2000, etc. Because those cars represented real things - they simply were not. It wasn't a representation of the Super Taikyu series at all.

They smacked "LM Edition" at the end of their name and done. Later to be "Super Touring" or something now.

He's got a point you know...

diesel97
22-08-2015, 00:22
He's got a point you know...

correct me if i'm wrong but i thought the RUF does race in a series .

snipeme77
22-08-2015, 00:31
correct me if i'm wrong but i thought the RUF does race in a series .

I think you clicked on the wrong thing...
Yeah, all Ruf's have a respective class.

TheReaper GT
22-08-2015, 00:34
I think you clicked on the wrong thing...
Yeah, all Ruf's have a respective class.

He is taking about real life. And yes there were rufs on world challenge by pirelli.

diesel97
22-08-2015, 00:35
I think you clicked on the wrong thing...
Yeah, all Ruf's have a respective class.

yes, it would have more sense if i quoted ealier post

MitchR32
22-08-2015, 01:07
He is taking about real life. And yes there were rufs on world challenge by pirelli.

No there weren't....Porsche yes.

TheReaper GT
22-08-2015, 01:12
No there weren't....Porsche yes.

Yes they were few years ago.

Lawndarts
22-08-2015, 02:20
Nope, RUF has not made a competition car.

Sasquatch
22-08-2015, 03:37
He is taking about real life. And yes there were rufs on world challenge by pirelli.

RUF does not and has not competed in the Pirelli World Challenge.

Also, FYI, as much as I remember - RUF hasn't had a competitive race car since the 1997 Pikes Peak with two CTR2-Sport "Yellowbird Prototype".

TheReaper GT
22-08-2015, 03:39
RUF does not and has not competed in the Pirelli World Challenge.

Also, FYI, RUF hasn't had a competitive race car since the 1997 Pikes Peak with two CTR2-Sport "Yellowbird Prototype".

Ok...

Str8shooter
22-08-2015, 04:13
I was there for Rennsport at Daytona in 2007 and took a few pictures.

Is this one of the CTR2-Sport " Yellowbird Prototypes "

215872215873

TheReaper GT
22-08-2015, 04:18
^^gorgeous thing

poet
22-08-2015, 07:07
R3E doesn't work on rental or microtrasactions system. The game pretty much works on expansion style business model where you buy the content you want.

No, it really is rental microtransactions.
You get a couple of cars and tracks and have to buy each car and track you want, or bundles of them, and if they turn their servers off or their servers are down (which they are often enough) then you have no way at all to play the game, none.
You aren't "buying" anything, just renting as long as they decide to keep their servers turned on.

I realise the game has it's fans, but it genuinely is a horrible way to do things.

Ancient
22-08-2015, 07:45
Works well on Iracing..

Sasquatch
22-08-2015, 21:00
I was there for Rennsport at Daytona in 2007 and took a few pictures.

Is this one of the CTR2-Sport " Yellowbird Prototypes "

Oh man, memories there. Such a surprising treat to see that was. I didn't have a camera on me that day, cheers for the pics!

Cheesenium
23-08-2015, 04:35
No, it really is rental microtransactions.
You get a couple of cars and tracks and have to buy each car and track you want, or bundles of them, and if they turn their servers off or their servers are down (which they are often enough) then you have no way at all to play the game, none.
You aren't "buying" anything, just renting as long as they decide to keep their servers turned on.

I realise the game has it's fans, but it genuinely is a horrible way to do things.

If thats what you call renting, then, I hope you do not own any games on Steam as Steam essentially rents you games for your money.

I disagree on the game still has the same horrible business model. It used to be expensive but ever since the end of the last year, they moved on to the packs sort of DLC where the game is pretty decently priced now.

I spent about $100 and I have 90% of all the content in the game. And this game along with AC compliments very well with pCARS.

Francorchamps
23-08-2015, 05:40
I really don't understand that model of buying separate DLC. I haven't bought any DLC of PCars because it seems so expensive. I know it's not expensive. It's only a few euro's but in the back of my mind there is this voice that says if you wait you will get a bundle of all the DLC for half the price. If they had introduced a season pass I would have definitely bought it right away. I guess having to pay multiple times each month for packs is not the best way to sell DLC. Why not bundle the DLC every month and have like the august pack, september pack ..? That way you know immediately what you will be spending each month.

TheReaper GT
23-08-2015, 05:45
To be honest, the price is very low. In the other hand I'd like a season pass just for the practical side of it. By the on demand chart we can expect what is coming and have a pretty good guys of the costs.

Francorchamps
23-08-2015, 06:02
Depends on how you look at it. 9 euro a month is not much but €100 a year is really expensive. And if they really support it 2 years like they indicate it will cost €200 + the game. I guess if they had a season pass of let's say €40 they would generate more money than they will now. People that have stopped playing PCars would probably have shilled out the money already and come back every month to check out their new stuff.

I never sold a video game in my life so I could be dead wrong on this. Also I'm a console player so maybe in the PC sim world this is common practice and they make a good buck on the SIM fanbase alone.

T0MMY
23-08-2015, 09:14
The no season pass thing is more like a trick made by SMS to me, usually when game allow the player to have a choice of season pass or paying DLC separately I always grab the seasons pass during a huge sale and never bother to buy the DLC separately. Never really like the idea of paying a huge sum of money to get a bundle of content that I might not like. So far I've bought every DLC pCARS release, this is the first time I buy every DLC a game release on day 1.

Machinist90
23-08-2015, 09:38
the thing I like more about R3E's dlc that it's more focused towards a specific league,for example DTM Experience 2014,a decent expansion with championship rather then "here have some random cars you can race around in some quick race weekend"

x ImJakeyy
23-08-2015, 11:23
The no season pass thing is more like a trick made by SMS to me, usually when game allow the player to have a choice of season pass or paying DLC separately I always grab the seasons pass during a huge sale and never bother to buy the DLC separately. Never really like the idea of paying a huge sum of money to get a bundle of content that I might not like. So far I've bought every DLC pCARS release, this is the first time I buy every DLC a game release on day 1.

Huge sum of money?

Racing Icons Pack = £3
Audi Ruapuna Pack = £5
Old & New = £3 (probably)

No idea where the money grab is on that, also go and play iRacing where 1 car can cost £10

Sasquatch
23-08-2015, 13:53
The no season pass thing is more like a trick made by SMS to me, usually when game allow the player to have a choice of season pass or paying DLC separately I always grab the seasons pass during a huge sale and never bother to buy the DLC separately.

Or the DLC pricing has already factored the once existing season pass savings included. But really, you already have the choice of paying for DLC or not. It hasn't changed. There shouldn't be more than that.

The entire season pass idea is pretty terrible.

Just Another Frog
23-08-2015, 14:26
Or the DLC pricing has already factored the once existing season pass savings included. But really, you already have the choice of paying for DLC or not. It hasn't changed. There shouldn't be more than that.

The entire season pass idea is pretty terrible.

I'm not so sure a Car pass is such a terrible idea. A full price F5 season pass is £31.99 and for that price you get 80 cars.
I've not done the exact maths but i'm pretty sure you're getting nowhere near as many vehicles in PCars for the same amount of money.

Personally I think SMS should have been a bit more adventurous and given the DLC away free of charge to try and stimulate actual game sales instead. I own (and play a lot) PvZ: Garden warfare and during it's existence every single addition to the game has been completely free of charge, resulting in a (still) very, very healthy gaming community and I assume a continued steady flow of unit sales. You can say a lot of bad things about EA but on this occasion I think they have their marketing policy spot on.

Just a thought.

T0MMY
23-08-2015, 15:01
Huge sum of money?

Racing Icons Pack = £3
Audi Ruapuna Pack = £5
Old & New = £3 (probably)

No idea where the money grab is on that, also go and play iRacing where 1 car can cost £10

I'm not saying a huge sum to be paid for pCARS and the DLC SMS is charging is ridiculously cheap for today's standards, I've bought and enjoy every single one of them so far too. For season pass, generally you are paying a bigger sum of money in advance for content that you may or may not like. Season pass is always cheaper than buying every single pack individually which makes me wanting them but normally end up regret picking up. One experienced I had most recently is The Crew, the season pass promised 14 cars to be released initially (they added more now) and among the whole season pass there like 4 cars that I'm interested. Similar things happen to Borderlands 2 for me, buying the whole season pass and turn out only half the DLC packs are good and I could have save a bit more than buying separately.

I prefer the idea of no season pass that SMS is using here.

Sasquatch
23-08-2015, 16:07
I'm not so sure a Car pass is such a terrible idea. A full price F5 season pass is £31.99 and for that price you get 80 cars.
I've not done the exact maths but i'm pretty sure you're getting nowhere near as many vehicles in PCars for the same amount of money.


Oh, FM5... No. Because 95% of them were recycles from previous Forza titles. Forza Horizon was a season pass which fooled you with the idea of new cars and then you got FM4's DLC again, and a retexture of sections of the existing map. Forza is probably the worst example to give because it's entirely focused on model recycles - they are car models Turn10 layed outside the game for you to pay or "give for free for community love" for later.

Driveclub's SP was actually an ideal season pass. $25 for $75ish of content. And boy is there a lot of actual content.

Apoc112
23-08-2015, 16:23
Oh, FM5... No. Because 95% of them were recycles from previous Forza titles. Forza Horizon was a season pass which fooled you with the idea of new cars and then you got FM4's DLC again, and a retexture of sections of the existing map. Forza is probably the worst example to give because it's entirely focused on model recycles - they are car models Turn10 layed outside the game for you to pay or "give for free for community love" for later.

Driveclub's SP was actually an ideal season pass. $25 for $75ish of content. And boy is there a lot of actual content.

This is here nor there, but I'm pretty sure you're misinformed. The reason for the lower car count in FM5 was that they couldn't re-skin and re-use most of the older models, cars or tracks. I didn't purchase the FM5 season pass regardless because I'd rather be selective and "vote with my $", so I like how SMS has chosen to do theirs.

Unfortunately, it probably means they're going to get less money from me in the long run because I won't be purchasing any more content until the game gets patched up and MP is playable on xbox.

bcredeur97
23-08-2015, 18:38
Any word on an approximate release date for the August DLC?

Racer Pro
23-08-2015, 18:40
Any word on an approximate release date for the August DLC?
nothing before the xbox one patch 3.0 out :(

snipeme77
23-08-2015, 20:02
nothing before the xbox one patch 3.0 out :(

Won't be long I'm sure, At least we know it's coming. (Yep looking at you Overkill.)

Liquid7394
23-08-2015, 20:14
Any word on an approximate release date for the August DLC?
Check the community events, there's a Yellowbird event scheduled for the 28th I believe.

Plato99
23-08-2015, 21:43
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Oh, FM5... No. Because 95% of them were recycles from previous Forza titles. Forza Horizon was a season pass which fooled you with the idea of new cars and then you got FM4's DLC again, and a retexture of sections of the existing map. Forza is probably the worst example to give because it's entirely focused on model recycles - they are car models Turn10 layed outside the game for you to pay or "give for free for community love" for later.

Driveclub's SP was actually an ideal season pass. $25 for $75ish of content. And boy is there a lot of actual content.

Turn 10 are still at it. Tarting the Peugeot 905 ln FM6 ilike its some great new feature. I seem to remember driving it in FM3 or 4.

T0MMY
24-08-2015, 00:47
SMS released a bunch of screen shots on the new and old DLC on their Instagram: https://instagram.com/projectcarsgame/

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jason
24-08-2015, 01:06
1 race car :(

Cheesenium
24-08-2015, 01:14
1 race car :(

2 race cars in that pack. Both BMW should go to touring cars.

Rayge
24-08-2015, 02:02
1 race car :(

Both of the BMWs are race cars. But I know how you feel.

jason
24-08-2015, 02:11
Maybe its me but these packs to me are disappointing :( ....

Sasquatch
24-08-2015, 02:53
Both of the BMWs are race cars. But I know how you feel.
Are you sure? The 2002 Turbo doesn't have a cage/buckets? I've seen folk say the Mustang 2+2 is a race car too... again, doesn't have a cage/buckets/anything race car about it?

Cheesenium
24-08-2015, 03:45
Are you sure? The 2002 Turbo doesn't have a cage/buckets? I've seen folk say the Mustang 2+2 is a race car too... again, doesn't have a cage/buckets/anything race car about it?

The 2002 goes with the Mercedes Benz 3000SL and Ford Escort which also doesnt have roll cages and buckets. People back then just do not care about safety as much as we do now, unfortunately.

Mustang 2+2 chassis raced in that touring class too but unfortunately, it isnt the car that pCARS licensed. The one that raced with BMW 2002 and Escort was a Shelby tuned one, not Ford version.

Sasquatch
24-08-2015, 03:55
The 2002 goes with the Mercedes Benz 3000SL and Ford Escort which also doesnt have roll cages and buckets. People back then just do not care about safety as much as we do now, unfortunately.

Mustang 2+2 chassis raced in that touring class too but unfortunately, it isnt the car that pCARS licensed. The one that raced with BMW 2002 and Escort was a Shelby tuned one, not Ford version.

But they did, come on the 1970's wasn't the 1950's. Plenty of race cars had cages. Especially top tier motorsport.

http://www.bmwism.com/alpinas%20bmw/bmw_alpina_2002.jpg

And the "Red Pig" Mercedes 300SEL does indeed have a full blown multipoint cage.

But the Escort does not, I give you that atleast. It's indeed simply a road car. The 2002 Turbo should be nice competition to that.

jason
24-08-2015, 04:04
should be called the street car pack .

x ImJakeyy
24-08-2015, 11:55
should be called the street car pack .

When a BMW 320si WTCC isn't a street car?

Bealdor
24-08-2015, 12:05
should be called the street car pack .

And? What's the issue with this? Let's do a little DLC recap:

LE Edition DLC: Race cars 4:1 Road cars
Racing Icons DLC: Race cars 5:0 Road cars
Audi Ruapuna DLC: Race cars 3:0 Road cars

Nobody complained about the lack of road car content there (apart from Jussi maybe ;)).
If you ask me, it was about time for a few additional road cars.

resmania
24-08-2015, 12:11
I love driving road cars in pCARS despite of lack of road tracks. One wish though, level of sound detail for road cars are bit disappointing compare to racing cars. Hope Mustang has great sound this time..

RoccoTTS
24-08-2015, 13:15
I like race cars more than road cars, but some people asked for more road cars.
So it's a good thing this dlc has some road cars in it.
And i'm buying it because i like variety.

Im Sorry
24-08-2015, 13:21
It's simple.If you don't like the dlc don't buy it.

I won't be buying it just because Im not keen on the cars.

Every dlc won't please everyone!

danowat
24-08-2015, 13:26
After getting reacquainted with the road cars after patch 3.0, loving the Mercedes SLS AMG round Silverstone, great combo, I am really looking forward to the road cars in the new pack, the question is.............when...........

Raven403
24-08-2015, 13:28
After getting reacquainted with the road cars after patch 3.0, loving the Mercedes SLS AMG round Silverstone, great combo, I am really looking forward to the road cars in the new pack, the question is.............when...........

Yeah 3.0 totally changed my opinion of the road cars, actually had fun racing a few around Watkins glen

steviraikkonen
24-08-2015, 13:30
We will probably get two dlc packs at once at this rate, that's a positive spin for everyone :)

fry-diz
24-08-2015, 13:31
v8 and btcc cars need to HURRY UP

Raven403
24-08-2015, 13:53
v8 and btcc cars need to HURRY UP

Are v8 supercars on the docket?

I know FM6 just announced a partnership with V8 Supercars. I'm just wondering if pcars is supposed to get em?

x ImJakeyy
24-08-2015, 13:54
Are v8 supercars on the docket?

I know FM6 just announced a partnership with V8 Supercars. I'm just wondering if pcars is supposed to get em?

We have 1 V8 licensed, which is the Ford. Maybe if more licenses are in the works now, there could be some others coming.

Raven403
24-08-2015, 13:55
We have 1 V8 licensed, which is the Ford. Maybe if more licenses are in the works now, there could be some others coming.

Sweet, good to know thanks. I'm not bothered with having every car and real life livery, but having a few cars with even fictional liveries would be cool

Invincible
24-08-2015, 13:59
Are v8 supercars on the docket?

I know FM6 just announced a partnership with V8 Supercars. I'm just wondering if pcars is supposed to get em?

http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/eleven-fords-to-be-included-in-project-cars/

Look closely - you might stumble upon something...

(And no, there won't be a Ford Shelby GT500 - this one has been swapped into the Boss 302 we already have).

Raven403
24-08-2015, 14:01
http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/eleven-fords-to-be-included-in-project-cars/

Look closely - you might stumble upon something...

Ah gotcha. Cool. Having the other btcc car with the coming BMW will b cool too

Thanks for the link

Invincible
24-08-2015, 14:11
Ah gotcha. Cool. Having the other btcc car with the coming BMW will b cool too

Thanks for the link

You're welcome.

And I am also looking forward to any BTCC or WTCC car.

Raven403
24-08-2015, 14:13
You're welcome.

And I am also looking forward to any BTCC or WTCC car.

Me too. Any new race cars I'm in.

It'll be very cool to get Indy and Nascar too. I know alot of people aren't too bothered but I know I'll enjoy it.

Knightfall
24-08-2015, 15:58
I have been searching old threads for sometime this morning, and I can't find what I am looking for.

Would someone be so kind as to post or link the graphics for all the DLC plans for project cars? We have seen this graphic a number of times on the forums.. Kind of badge shaped...

Thanks in advance.

TheReaper GT
24-08-2015, 16:03
I have been searching old threads for sometime this morning, and I can't find what I am looking for.

Would someone be so kind as to post or link the graphics for all the DLC plans for project cars? We have seen this graphic a number of times on the forums.. Kind of badge shaped...

Thanks in advance.

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Knightfall
24-08-2015, 16:46
Thanks much Reap!

EDIT: Saved the image to avoid having to ask again in future.

Jakob
24-08-2015, 20:59
The Volkswagen CC would be awesome to go with the Ford Focus.

I'm really hoping to see some BTCC action in this game.

MillsLayne
24-08-2015, 21:49
Me too. Any new race cars I'm in.

It'll be very cool to get Indy and Nascar too. I know alot of people aren't too bothered but I know I'll enjoy it.

I'll enjoy both of those immensely along with any BTCC cars we can get.

3800racingfool
24-08-2015, 22:00
C'mooooooon Eleanor! I'm getting all antsy waiting for this pack to drop. :o

x ImJakeyy
24-08-2015, 22:40
The Volkswagen CC would be awesome to go with the Ford Focus.

I'm really hoping to see some BTCC action in this game.

All depends which Focus we get, NGTC or Super 2000, I doubt it will be NGTC if we are getting a Super 2000 BMW.

The CC is NGTC, so just wouldn't play fair with the Focus and BMW

Jakob
24-08-2015, 22:47
All depends which Focus we get, NGTC or Super 2000, I doubt it will be NGTC if we are getting a Super 2000 BMW.

The CC is NGTC, so just wouldn't play fair with the Focus and BMW

Oh, I don't know spec types and all that, I would love to have a Volkswagen (preferably the CC from BTCC) to race in this game, along with a couple other Cars to rival it.

bcredeur97
25-08-2015, 01:05
sorry for late reply! I love forums but im on way too many xD


nothing before the xbox one patch 3.0 out :(
Well that should be out any day now? they might release it same day!


Won't be long I'm sure, At least we know it's coming. (Yep looking at you Overkill.)
Yep! Can't wait!


Check the community events, there's a Yellowbird event scheduled for the 28th I believe.
Today is the 24th so maybe wednesday? speculating of course.

jason
25-08-2015, 06:32
My money is on tonight :) " SLides a 20 to table puts sunnys on "

danowat
25-08-2015, 09:00
Wonder if we will have to wait till the XBO patch is released?, that would probably mean not getting the August pack in August though........

maurice-pascale
25-08-2015, 09:42
Would be great when they release the DLC's for ALL platforms, when PS4 and PC got the patch....and when the xbox player cry because the DLC is earlier out then the patch for xbox, then they just must wait till the patch released and then they can download the DLC....when they have a problem with it, that the patch comes later then the DLC...

this is just better for all others, then waiting for the xbox one players......

for now all DLC's come in the last 3 days of a month......why not in the beginning or middle?...always on the last few days....

NemethR
25-08-2015, 09:59
Would be great when they release the DLC's for ALL platforms, when PS4 and PC got the patch....and when the xbox player cry because the DLC is earlier out then the patch for xbox, then they just must wait till the patch released and then they can download the DLC....when they have a problem with it, that the patch comes later then the DLC...

this is just better for all others, then waiting for the xbox one players......

for now all DLC's come in the last 3 days of a month......why not in the beginning or middle?...always on the last few days....

I agree, DLC should be available to players, when the Patch drops.

IF Micro$oft takes a year to approve a patch, that is not the fault of the PS4 or PC players, no need to "punish" them.

diesel97
25-08-2015, 12:13
Would be great when they release the DLC's for ALL platforms, when PS4 and PC got the patch....and when the xbox player cry because the DLC is earlier out then the patch for xbox, then they just must wait till the patch released and then they can download the DLC....when they have a problem with it, that the patch comes later then the DLC...

this is just better for all others, then waiting for the xbox one players......

for now all DLC's come in the last 3 days of a month......why not in the beginning or middle?...always on the last few days....

I dont see the diference , 30 days is 30 days , doesnt matter when they start the clock

Cheesenium
25-08-2015, 17:23
Would be great when they release the DLC's for ALL platforms, when PS4 and PC got the patch....and when the xbox player cry because the DLC is earlier out then the patch for xbox, then they just must wait till the patch released and then they can download the DLC....when they have a problem with it, that the patch comes later then the DLC...

this is just better for all others, then waiting for the xbox one players......

for now all DLC's come in the last 3 days of a month......why not in the beginning or middle?...always on the last few days....

Agreed, it makes no sense for PC and PS4 players to wait for the lengthy certification process that Microsoft has.

Machinist90
25-08-2015, 17:28
I think the title is about to change to "september"

Sasquatch
25-08-2015, 17:39
I think the title is about to change to "september"

There is 7 days left of August, and the US PSN store hasn't even updated yet besides the Driveclub free car.