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dizralph
08-08-2015, 23:06
hopefully patch 4.0

jason
09-08-2015, 00:14
I honestly believe it will never be 100% bug free .... In saying that I praise the dev team for working hard to fix the problems that are there at the moment ..... If all things are fixed and improved like the patch notes say they will have come along way .

AfterAll14
09-08-2015, 00:16
It's not bug free after 4 years of development. Why do you think it will ever be bug free?

AdM1
09-08-2015, 00:16
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Lol I jest, hopefully before the 10th patch, if we even get that far? We'll have to wait and see.

t0daY
09-08-2015, 00:19
Tell me 1 game which is to 100% bugfree oO Those patch support SMS doing is more than amazing... dont know why still people complaining about everything negative they find on the game... its just getting annoying :)

AdM1
09-08-2015, 00:22
Tell me 1 game which is to 100% bugfree oO Those patch support SMS doing is more than amazing... dont know why still people complaining about everything negative they find on the game... its just getting annoying :)

Urm lol! So I assume you'd rather everyone just kept shut and that way nothing actually gets acknowledged and/or fixed?

People will complain about a product that works properly so are you really surprised people kick up a fuss when something doesn't work as it should?

t0daY
09-08-2015, 00:24
Urm lol! So I assume you'd rather everyone just kept shut and that way nothing actually gets acknowledged and/or fixed?

People will complain about a product that works properly so are you really surprised people kick up a fuss when something doesn't work as it should?

Almost every bug is known and they working hard to fix everything. We all know that but starting every day new threads about the same things, the same questions, the same bugs is in my eyey not neccessary. Nothing gets acknowledged and/or fixed? Do you even read the patchnotes?!

Psychomatrix
09-08-2015, 00:39
Nobody must read negative threads. but everybody concentrate on this threads even they didn't have the same version. Maybe people see only the negative things what people write and switch then in attack mode. But in 90% of all cases the people say they like the game. But where when not here can they talk about the experience they made?

Liquid7394
09-08-2015, 03:43
Almost every bug is known and they working hard to fix everything. We all know that but starting every day new threads about the same things, the same questions, the same bugs is in my eyey not neccessary. Nothing gets acknowledged and/or fixed? Do you even read the patchnotes?!
He never said nothing gets acknowledged and/or fixed, he was saying IF everyone just kept shut then nothing would get acknowledged and/or fixed. And to answer your question about why people still complain about every negative thing still, it's quite simple, they're not fanboys, so when they see something negative they'll complain because it's a negative aspect of a game they like and they want to see it improve.

I've encountered several landmine bugs, pit stop bugs, levitating bugs, loss of FFB, invisible walls, stuck in pits bugs etc. since release and it's getting ridiculous at this point. I've had to resort to re-installing the game to see if it helps. You say starting new threads about the same subjects is unnecessary and I agree, but saying "don't know why still people complaining about everything negative they find on the game...it's just getting annoying" is also completely unnecessary. You knew what this thread would be yet you still clicked on it, if you don't want to read complaints then don't click on the thread. It's not hard.

Racer Pro
09-08-2015, 03:55
patch 9.0

321Respawn
09-08-2015, 04:01
Pointless thread which will just lead to trolling and flame wars just close it now .
Every game has bugs at least SMS are working on fixing them which is more than you can say about many bigger studios .

bodyshop
09-08-2015, 06:27
Pointless thread which will just lead to trolling and flame wars just close it now .
Every game has bugs at least SMS are working on fixing them which is more than you can say about many bigger studios .

Name one.

Sankyo
09-08-2015, 06:38
Name one.

EA.

Cholton82
09-08-2015, 06:46
EA.

What he said ! And PD

Pink_650S
09-08-2015, 07:10
It's not bug free after 4 years of development. Why do you think it will ever be bug free?

Name a bug-free game and prove it please.
Thank you.

madmax2069
09-08-2015, 07:19
It's not bug free after 4 years of development. Why do you think it will ever be bug free?

Theres really no such thing as bug free software.

Flihp
09-08-2015, 08:25
Name a bug-free game and prove it please.
Thank you.

MS Freecell. :p

pock1910
09-08-2015, 09:01
hopefully patch 4.0

The answer to this question was given in 1936 by Alan Turing: ;)

Turing machines and the halting problem (http://www.decodedscience.com/turing-machines-and-the-halting-problem/12672)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=macM_MtS_w4

FS7
09-08-2015, 11:46
Having bugs smashing on the windshield on a hot summer day would be a good feature to add, having kangaroos at Bathurst & deers at Nordschleife would be interesting too. If SMS includes Istanbul they could have dogs on the track. That's all part of the "realism."

But seriously, making a topic asking when the game will be bug-free is kind of silly, at least SMS is still working on the game and making improvements, which is quite different from CM which abandons its F1 games after 2 console patches.

maurice-pascale
09-08-2015, 11:51
Tell me 1 game which is to 100% bugfree oO Those patch support SMS doing is more than amazing... dont know why still people complaining about everything negative they find on the game... its just getting annoying :)

Tropico 5


got no patches and i saw no bugs


bug free :)

Ramjet
09-08-2015, 11:55
Having bugs smashing on the windshield on a hot summer day would be a good feature to add, having kangaroos at Bathurst & deers at Nordschleife would be interesting too. If SMS includes Istanbul they could have dogs on the track. That's all part of the "realism."

This ^ me want ! DLC perhaps ? :pig:

N0body Of The Goat
09-08-2015, 12:08
Tropico 5


got no patches and i saw no bugs


bug free :)

My googlefu says otherwise. ;)

http://forum.kalypsomedia.com/showthread.php?tid=27330

AfterAll14
09-08-2015, 12:10
Name a bug-free game and prove it please.
Thank you.

First of all what is bug free for me: when I play game for a long time and don't expirience bugs.
From what I played in last years - Pro Evolution Soccer 2012/13. And many others, but this game I played for hundreds of hours.

maurice-pascale
09-08-2015, 12:31
My googlefu says otherwise. ;)

http://forum.kalypsomedia.com/showthread.php?tid=27330

But the first patch after 3 month is very nice....and this little patch notes are good......bjt when i played it i never noticed something.....means there are less bugs then somewhere else :)

th3-5tig
09-08-2015, 12:33
Angry birds

t0daY
09-08-2015, 13:22
Tropico 5


got no patches and i saw no bugs


bug free :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poQ130oH4dM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i30t8FKF-N4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1wB8kc-n8k

I stop at this point... No game is bugfree... There is NO game out there without any bugs. Small little bugs or huge big bugs... Doesnt matter, bug is bug...

t0daY
09-08-2015, 13:24
First of all what is bug free for me: when I play game for a long time and don't expirience bugs.
From what I played in last years - Pro Evolution Soccer 2012/13. And many others, but this game I played for hundreds of hours.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnZdIWeZ66E


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2489IFrdTs

I can do this all day long.. Because you dont have these bugs it doesnt mean its bug free...

t0daY
09-08-2015, 13:25
Angry birds

Hmpf... I think you got me :D :D

Iwanchek
09-08-2015, 13:56
Tell me 1 game which is to 100% bugfree oO Those patch support SMS doing is more than amazing... dont know why still people complaining about everything negative they find on the game... its just getting annoying :)

your obligation is to say such things like that. You canīt be critical, you canīt complain....write only good things or write down what they tell u to write. I agree with the first sentence tho, but this game is stuck on 60-70%, itīs far from good or running optimal!

maurice-pascale
09-08-2015, 14:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poQ130oH4dM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i30t8FKF-N4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1wB8kc-n8k

I stop at this point... No game is bugfree... There is NO game out there without any bugs. Small little bugs or huge big bugs... Doesnt matter, bug is bug...


Ok but on ps4 there is no patch...thats why i think no bug for the released ps4 version...
and it all have to do with HOW much bugs and not with all games have bugs........sry but i really must say i notice at playing project cars everytime and every little race, practice or other things a bug....game breaking or not.....it is to extreme and kills my fun and i quit it......
i find it nice that they try to fix things, but it is to much to fix everything.....and whe Pcars 2 comes next year, i see black for the first one.....how want tbey manage all of it for both Pcars...big bug fixes for the first, then bug fixes for Pcars 2, DLC's for Pcars 2 (for Pcars 1 i am not sure if we ever will get DLC's again after the sequal)....

this is to much........it wozld be better they had only concentrait on the first Pcars and have waited much longer for Pcars (more years)......it is all much to fast and strange.....when i remember they worked almost 4 years for Pcars and release next year the sequel, i really wonder how it will go on there....so much time for a game which is after the sequel release dead!.....for which game should gamers choose to buy?? Pcars 1 or Pcars 2??....all will think " oh f* of the first one i will better buy Pcars 2, because the first is a bug game without hope".......all people would choose that way when Pcars 2 is released......for me it looks strange after long years of hard work for a game, whicb is next year useless and uninterest because a sequal is there, which have not all the mistakes of the first.....

so it seems like we never will get a full fixed Pcars (1)........and thats why i will buy the second (maybe)....a little bit more dirt ralley and it looks different.....but still like Pcars 1 could be.......

Assetto corsa's release for ps4 is also 2016.......i will try it, because i dont have a PC and i will see the difference...

amazed
09-08-2015, 14:19
PCars2 will not be next year.....

maurice-pascale
09-08-2015, 14:22
PCars2 will not be next year.....

A fully concentrait on the first would be better.....dont care for a second, when the first could be like the second.....
and maybe it release 2017.....makes no difference.....it is much to fast.......long work for a "unique" game, which is useless after Pcars 2....

AfterAll14
09-08-2015, 15:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnZdIWeZ66E


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2489IFrdTs

I can do this all day long.. Because you dont have these bugs it doesnt mean its bug free...

You didn't read my message? You don't understand english?
I NEVER expirienced ANY bugs in PES2012/13. In Project CARS I have a bug EVERY 5 MINUTES.

There are big diffrence between well done games and games like Project CARS, F1 2015. In a proper game you have to make a specific combination of input commands and behave very unusual way to get a bug. In pCARS you get bugs just for playing normally.

falm
09-08-2015, 15:49
For your original questions: NO. There will be always things that people consider "bugs" and real ones.

But, look at what happened in the weeks after release. And in my opinion the game is still young:
- Lots of fixes
- Improved performance on all platforms
- added new features
- free cars
- great DLC for a even better price
still lots of new stuff will come...

I'm happy and don't care about minor bugs, major one's seem to be sorted out now. This is what counts in the end: ongoing support :)

Iwanchek
09-08-2015, 16:15
For your original questions: NO. There will be always things that people consider "bugs" and real ones.

But, look at what happened in the weeks after release. And in my opinion the game is still young:
- Lots of fixes
- Improved performance on all platforms
- added new features
- free cars
- great DLC for a even better price
still lots of new stuff will come...

I'm happy and don't care about minor bugs, major one's seem to be sorted out now. This is what counts in the end: ongoing support :)

can you define"minor bugs"please.

TrevorAustin
09-08-2015, 16:17
Ok but on ps4 there is no patch...thats why i think no bug for the released ps4 version...
and it all have to do with HOW much bugs and not with all games have bugs........sry but i really must say i notice at playing project cars everytime and every little race, practice or other things a bug....game breaking or not.....it is to extreme and kills my fun and i quit it......
i find it nice that they try to fix things, but it is to much to fix everything.....and whe Pcars 2 comes next year, i see black for the first one.....how want tbey manage all of it for both Pcars...big bug fixes for the first, then bug fixes for Pcars 2, DLC's for Pcars 2 (for Pcars 1 i am not sure if we ever will get DLC's again after the sequal)....

this is to much........it wozld be better they had only concentrait on the first Pcars and have waited much longer for Pcars (more years)......it is all much to fast and strange.....when i remember they worked almost 4 years for Pcars and release next year the sequel, i really wonder how it will go on there....so much time for a game which is after the sequel release dead!.....for which game should gamers choose to buy?? Pcars 1 or Pcars 2??....all will think " oh f* of the first one i will better buy Pcars 2, because the first is a bug game without hope".......all people would choose that way when Pcars 2 is released......for me it looks strange after long years of hard work for a game, whicb is next year useless and uninterest because a sequal is there, which have not all the mistakes of the first.....

so it seems like we never will get a full fixed Pcars (1)........and thats why i will buy the second (maybe)....a little bit more dirt ralley and it looks different.....but still like Pcars 1 could be.......

Assetto corsa's release for ps4 is also 2016.......i will try it, because i dont have a PC and i will see the difference...

What else is 2016 then?

KK78
09-08-2015, 16:31
EA.

Poor old evil EA, always the scapegoat for glitchy games.

If only they were alone.

TrevorAustin
09-08-2015, 16:57
You didn't read my message? You don't understand english?
I NEVER expirienced ANY bugs in PES2012/13. In Project CARS I have a bug EVERY 5 MINUTES.

There are big diffrence between well done games and games like Project CARS, F1 2015. In a proper game you have to make a specific combination of input commands and behave very unusual way to get a bug. In pCARS you get bugs just for playing normally.

Ah, now I get you, so as I'm only getting one bug in P Cars, that means there aren't any others. What the hell is everybody moaning about all the time then, bunch of ingrates:)

amitlr
09-08-2015, 18:25
I think its also matter of personal perspective, what you look for in a game, and what you expect.
During all my years of sim racing , no game came near perfect at launch.
GT6 (and GT5) alone had about 15 patches over a course of a year. some were enhancements, but almost each one fixed some issues.
Some i did not care about, others changed my experience with the game.

For me, patch 2.0 wasn't that noticeable. Most changes and fixes did not relate to the issues i was having, except the FFB and random crashes.
Patch 3.0 on the other hand ,is already listing most of the things i looked for, and i look forward to it (love the road cars).
The way its going forward now, With each patch, which comes pretty often, i rediscover this game.

Difference between Pcars and other games IMO, is definitely the communication with the devs.
I don't care it didn't come out perfect, as long as the devs are listening and are open minded, which they seem to be so far.
With the little time between launch and now , seeing just how much was a fixed, and injected in, i am pretty sure that by the end of 2015 this title will more than live to its expectations, and than some.

bodyshop
09-08-2015, 18:45
EA.


Your happy to state on public forum that EA are a studio that don't fix bugs?



Your either brave or have bigger lawyers....;)

Jake Fangio
09-08-2015, 18:51
It would seem that this game has got a bad rap,with a large portion of the sim racing community.I'm a complete neutral here,I own pcars and all the others except iracing.And I rotate which ones are my favourites.But it would seem that on this forum people live and die by Pcars.And that makes you vunerble to attacks on the game.You get all angry and feed the OP,and it ends up in one long flame thread.Accept the game has bugs,like every other game in the world and don't react to threads that get under your skin.No game is perfect even Pcars,but it doesn't stop it being a really enjoyble game.

AlanK
09-08-2015, 18:52
I read a while ago that the only software that's 100% bug-free is the stuff that ran the Space Shuttles. Don't know if it's true - could just be NASA hype - but I bet they have some pretty rigorous beta testing!

Flaw3dGenius
09-08-2015, 18:58
I'l have a guess with Patch 12.0

Knightfall
09-08-2015, 20:01
I spent 4.5 hours this morning racing, completing some of my best races ever, in any game. To be honest with you, the game is so much fun now that new patch feel like more and more icing... One of my races earlier I lost because my tires went... First time ever for me, and it was because I was jamming the thing hard through turns to keep my lead. I gotta be honest... I don't see most of the bugs lamented about here...

Angst1974
10-08-2015, 00:44
I read a while ago that the only software that's 100% bug-free is the stuff that ran the Space Shuttles. Don't know if it's true - could just be NASA hype - but I bet they have some pretty rigorous beta testing!

Not true , or NASA hype , they free admit there were bugs .

http://history.nasa.gov/computers/Ch4-5.html

Mark Quigley
10-08-2015, 01:55
From what I understand which is very little, there will always be limitations with programing that need work arounds.
Again, talking from a perspective of understanding very little about this, I read things about floating point and I'm glad I drive a van for a living and not a programer :D

"Note that most floating-point numbers a computer can represent are just approximations. One of the challenges in programming with floating-point values is ensuring that the approximations lead to reasonable results. If the programmer is not careful, small discrepancies in the approximations can snowball to the point where the final results become meaningless."

Reading things like this I assume things will never be perfect only the best they can be.

falm
10-08-2015, 09:02
can you define"minor bugs"please.

Not being able to hear my race engineer through my headset when I start the game wrong (with controller enabled).
Annoying, but not game braking and there is a workaround available.

I'll consider bugs as minor when an workaround is available.

Invincible
10-08-2015, 09:17
I think it will be "bug-free" at patch 4.5.

But to me, a game does not need to be free of every single bug to be considered "bug-free". If there are no bugs that disturb me and my playing experience, it is enough. When there are some really minor bugs, and the amount of work needed to get rid of them would be disproportionately high - well, let them live. Bugs have rights too :p

the-D-
10-08-2015, 09:24
I read a while ago that the only software that's 100% bug-free is the stuff that ran the Space Shuttles. Don't know if it's true - could just be NASA hype - but I bet they have some pretty rigorous beta testing!

The 'space' shuttle is nothing more than an aeroplane, it's never been to 'space', if you believe nasa about anything, you might as well think we live on a spinning ball shooting around a vacuum lol

Invincible
10-08-2015, 09:36
The 'space' shuttle is nothing more than an aeroplane, it's never been to 'space', if you believe nasa about anything, you might as well think we live on a spinning ball shooting around a vacuum lol

What the... you serious? Come on, you gotta be kidding, right?!

the-D-
10-08-2015, 09:43
What the... you serious? Come on, you gotta be kidding, right?!

Ask nasa for a live feed of the spinning ball from any of the 'satellites ' or the under water ISS, they will tell you they only have photoshop composites, we live in a time of near photorealistic visuals that can fool the mind to believe anything,...it's easier to be fooled than it is to be convinced you've been fooled.

Invincible
10-08-2015, 09:48
And what the hell do you think we live on? A flat plate?

Jeez...

Bealdor
10-08-2015, 09:51
Your sarcasm detector seems to be broken, Invincible.

TrevorAustin
10-08-2015, 09:56
Your sarcasm detector seems to be broken, Invincible.

I can't actually be certain it has, unless you know them personally. I have a fweling these may be serious posts, I do hope I'm wrong:)

That isn't sarcasm, it's extreme fringe, lol.

Fong74
10-08-2015, 09:57
There is no such thing like a bug-free software. It just doesn't exist. Even very crucial softwares like nuclear plant or sattelite controls do have bugs....and they are by far not as complex as a multi-platform racing simulator.

So my, maybe disillusioning, answer from a pure technical pov is: never

But of course I do believe, that pCars will be in a state some day that most of us users will call "bug-free". I believe it will take another 1-2 patch cycles beyond v3.0 for that. This of course depends on how many extensions, new features etc will be introduced in the future, as those increase the chances of new bugs to occur.

Invincible
10-08-2015, 10:02
Your sarcasm detector seems to be broken, Invincible.

I really hope it actually IS sarcasm. But somehow I have a bad feeling that it isn't. That's why.

the-D-
10-08-2015, 10:04
I can't actually be certain it has, unless you know them personally. I have a fweling these may be serious posts, I do hope I'm wrong:)

That isn't sarcasm, it's extreme fringe, lol.

Anyone seen my tinfoil hat? I know it's around here somewhere:D

Mahjik
10-08-2015, 16:08
I spent 4.5 hours this morning racing, completing some of my best races ever, in any game. To be honest with you, the game is so much fun now that new patch feel like more and more icing... One of my races earlier I lost because my tires went... First time ever for me, and it was because I was jamming the thing hard through turns to keep my lead. I gotta be honest... I don't see most of the bugs lamented about here...

That was probably my reference.

To be fair, there is no such thing "today" as "bug free software". Every single piece of software has "bugs" as people would like to refer to them.. However, some disciplines have far less of them than others (flight and space, and military systems have lower tolerances for defects). You guys would shudder if you saw Microsoft's bug database for their OS's.

To answer the OP, there will never be a patch version where this product is bug free. And that's not saying the developers are doing anything wrong, it's just not a realistic expectation of software today.

bmanic
10-08-2015, 23:07
ah.. /s