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seek
10-08-2015, 16:05
Hey, just wondering what is the best car for drifting?

jason
10-08-2015, 16:08
I'm not up to speed on this but the bac mono seems great to me when I took it for a run , it just want to fry the tyres ��

Aisakey
10-08-2015, 17:26
I often drive the Caterham R500 and I think it's rather tail happy while still being controllable. So I'd think it's appropriate.

Grijo
10-08-2015, 17:30
Nissan Silvia S-15...only a joke! Caterham Seven Classic and Ford Escort RS 1600 imo.

BellCurve
10-08-2015, 17:32
BMW 1M or the RUF RGT8.

You have to flick them in early and feather the throttle through. Once I got the hang of it I almost found it metatative haha.

:)

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
10-08-2015, 19:55
BMW 1M or the RUF RGT8.

You have to flick them in early and feather the throttle through. Once I got the hang of it I almost found it metatative haha.

:)Was about to name exactly those two. I use them with my OEM style setups and they work great for drifting (though I substitute All Weather tyres for the RGT-8). Many racing cars would actually work quite nicely for drifting as well if it wasn't for the low maximum steering locks (racers tend to hover around 20-24 degrees, street cars around 28-35 degrees, cars built for drifting even up to 45-55 degrees and more, sadly we don't have those in-game). There are still some that really like sliding though, like the Lotus 49 and 72D (especially on the oldest tyre compounds), as well as some more unexpected ones like some race cars with bias ply racing tyres (Caper and Mustang Trans-Am come to mind).

EDIT: Oh and the Red Pig (Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.8 AMG) is also a slide monster. =)

maurice-pascale
10-08-2015, 20:00
Absolutely the McLaren 12c

fa-racing
11-08-2015, 02:02
The formula A is pretty good at drifting.

madmax2069
11-08-2015, 03:13
All of the atoms are good with drifting

Racer Pro
11-08-2015, 03:45
Hey, just wondering what is the best car for drifting?project cars is not for drift , if you want drift buy need for speed or any arcade game.

madmax2069
11-08-2015, 03:51
project cars is not for drift , if you want drift buy need for speed or any arcade game.

No, just no

Racer Pro
11-08-2015, 04:02
No, just nono? if you drift in race you loose, normal race is way faster than drift.

TheReaper GT
11-08-2015, 04:10
no? if you drift in race you loose, normal race is way faster than drift.

Agreed, but drifting is not for normal racing, it's for drift races. I suck on drift but I admire those who can go sideways all around a track. I know the game do not have an official drift mode but I don't mind people setting up and arranging their own drift battles, it's theirs game copies and they use at their discretion. The new spectator and replays modes will help one to be a judge on said battles and bring the drift in this game to a whole new level. Maybe sms could even throw some drift tires in the dough for those who love the sideways sport.

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
11-08-2015, 04:21
no? if you drift in race you loose, normal race is way faster than drift.Maximum grip is attained when the tyres are slipping a bit, around 5 to 12 degrees slip angle depending on the type of tyre, so depending on the car you're in you might have to focus on trying to pull slight four wheel drifts in all corners to maximize your grip and minimize your times. If you're not sliding the vintage F1 cars around you're leaving a lot of time on the table. Practicing drifting also makes you get used to how grip is lost and gained, and controlling the car on the edge, it's fantastic practice for keeping calm in sudden extreme situations during races and surviving them intact. In a tight race I'm much more afraid of a person who I know to be a good drifter as well, because I know they're more comfortable on the edge and can recover from going slightly over it better than people who never practice controlled sliding.

Plus, most importantly, it's ever so much fun, which is why people do it in the first place. And it's so much more fun in a simulator than an arcade game because you're actually in control of the car. There's not that much joy to be gained from just the act of drifting in an NFS game or a Ridge Racer game, because it requires no effort to start, control and end slides (though the game experience as a whole can be fun, particularly in Ridge Racer games). =)

But of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Racer Pro
11-08-2015, 04:26
Maximum grip is attained when the tyres are slipping a bit, around 5 to 12 degrees slip angle depending on the type of tyre, so depending on the car you're in you might have to focus on trying to pull slight four wheel drifts in all corners to maximize your grip and minimize your times. If you're not sliding the vintage F1 cars around you're leaving a lot of time on the table. Practicing drifting also makes you get used to how grip is lost and gained, and controlling the car on the edge, it's fantastic practice for keeping calm in sudden extreme situations during races and surviving them intact. In a tight race I'm much more afraid of a person who I know to be a good drifter as well, because I know they're more comfortable on the edge and can recover from going slightly over it better than people who never practice controlled sliding.

Plus, most importantly, it's ever so much fun, which is why people do it in the first place. And it's so much more fun in a simulator than an arcade game because you're actually in control of the car. There's not that much joy to be gained from just the act of drifting in an NFS game or a Ridge Racer game, because it requires no effort to start, control and end slides (though the game experience as a whole can be fun, particularly in Ridge Racer games). =)

But of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion.drift = kid and arcade for me, and yes everyone have their opinion.

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
11-08-2015, 04:29
Maybe sms could even throw some drift tires in the dough for those who love the sideways sport.For the most part drift tyre = high/maximum/extreme performance summer tyre, the higher the performance usually the better, usually ends up being semi-slicks in higher series. You need a lot of grip to maximize speeds while drifting, which is a scoring concern. The same stuff you'd put on a road car or track day car to try and get the best lap times. GoodYear Eagle F1, Falken Azenis, Yokohama Advan, Toyo Proxes. So we essentially already have drift tyres on the road cars in the form of the All Weather/P Zero and Street-Medium/P Zero Corsa tyres. Lets also not forget that the inaugural D1GP season was won with slick tyres, which were banned afterwards. =)

If there was something I'd love to see for drifting it'd be a high steering lock option on some cars, increasing it to around 50 degrees center to lock.

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
11-08-2015, 04:31
drift = kid and arcade for me, and yes everyone have their opinion.Fair enough, though is real life drifting also "arcade" to you? Isn't simulating accurate real world drifting behavior by definition simulation instead of arcade?

madmax2069
11-08-2015, 05:05
no? if you drift in race you loose, normal race is way faster than drift.

Thats funny, ive drifted in many races and won, yes I know drifting isnt the fastest way around the track but its hell of a lot of fun. And even funny when you drift and people get mad.

We paid for our game, if we want to drift in the game that is up to us, not you.

Racer Pro
11-08-2015, 05:11
Thats funny, ive drifted in many races and won, yes I know drifting isnt the fastest way around the track but its hell of a lot of fun. And even funny when you drift and people get mad.

We paid for our game, if we want to drift in the game that is up to us, not you.ok fine but i want an option in the lobby for drift on/off

TheReaper GT
11-08-2015, 05:17
ok fine but i want an option in the lobby for drift on/off

You seem disturbed today, bro. It's all right with you?
No one is taking about official drift support, some people just wanna know how to do it in their own games.

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
11-08-2015, 05:20
ok fine but i want an option in the lobby for drift on/offI think naming the lobby would suffice, and it's not like the game currently has a drift "mode" for holding drifting competitions, you'd probably have to use Free Practice for it.

Racer Pro
11-08-2015, 05:22
You seem disturbed today, bro. It's all right with you?
No one is taking about official drift support, some people just wanna know how to do it in their own games.sorry everyone i just hate drift in racing game, i just not want to see everyone drift online when i make a serious race.

TheReaper GT
11-08-2015, 05:26
sorry everyone i just hate drift in racing game, i just not want to see everyone drift online when i make a serious race.

I don't think you have to worry about that, no one will try to win a race by drifting, it's a bad move all the way. But some like minded people can setup their own lobbies to do it, with a judge as spectator. As our friend said, naming the lobbies would do the trick.

motu
11-08-2015, 08:01
drift = kid and arcade for me, and yes everyone have their opinion.

Have a look what real drift racing means

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ADqxPsSPXk

Jaroslav Turna
11-08-2015, 08:19
ok fine but i want an option in the lobby for drift on/off

Just out of curiosity ... how would you do that?

Drifting is style of driving and can be achieved in fact with any car. It is not something you can switch On or Off (at least in a simulator).

havocc
11-08-2015, 08:53
McLaren P1 without TC and diff lock :D

NemethR
11-08-2015, 09:00
I found the BAC Mono, Mercedes 300SEL, Caterham 7 Classic, the most controllable while drifting.

Also Renault Clio with cold tyres owns them all.

NemethR
11-08-2015, 09:03
I don't think you have to worry about that, no one will try to win a race by drifting, it's a bad move all the way. But some like minded people can setup their own lobbies to do it, with a judge as spectator. As our friend said, naming the lobbies would do the trick.

Actually, there are some corners where you are faster, when you drift, with cars, that can do that. Like the Mercedes 300SEL at Nurburgring.
If I drift the car (just a bit) I am around 1.5 sec fater per lap. Compared to the lap when I avoid any drifting.

Racer Pro
11-08-2015, 09:34
Just out of curiosity ... how would you do that?

Drifting is style of driving and can be achieved in fact with any car. It is not something you can switch On or Off (at least in a simulator).ok , i just not want everyone drift in a serious race, anyway if i want a serious race i just make a private lobby ;)

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
11-08-2015, 09:48
Actually, there are some corners where you are faster, when you drift, with cars, that can do that. Like the Mercedes 300SEL at Nurburgring.
If I drift the car (just a bit) I am around 1.5 sec fater per lap. Compared to the lap when I avoid any drifting.That's more the tyres than the corners probably, the Pig uses old bias ply tyres that live at high slip angles (maximum grip should be around 12 degrees of slip), so you need to slide it around all corners to get the maximum grip. Slide it too much though and you'll get less grip and more wear.

creepyd
11-08-2015, 09:50
The W Motors Lykan Hypersport is by far the best car for going sideways around corners imo.
It's my favourite car to drive because of it too.
Lots of power, no grip what so ever, great fun.

PS. There's a Mythbusters episode where they convincingly bust the fact that drifting might be faster round corners than non-drifting.
They even manage to match the time set by a professional drifter in a proper car set up for drifting when driving in a non-drift manor. Completely busted.

NemethR
11-08-2015, 10:16
The W Motors Lykan Hypersport is by far the best car for going sideways around corners imo.
It's my favourite car to drive because of it too.
Lots of power, no grip what so ever, great fun.

PS. There's a Mythbusters episode where they convincingly bust the fact that drifting might be faster round corners than non-drifting.
They even manage to match the time set by a professional drifter in a proper car set up for drifting when driving in a non-drift manor. Completely busted.

It depends, there ARE situations when drifting is faster, that is a fact :)
Mosty its not, but in certain situations it is.

miagi
11-08-2015, 10:37
The W Motors Lykan Hypersport is by far the best car for going sideways around corners imo.
It's my favourite car to drive because of it too.
Lots of power, no grip what so ever, great fun.

PS. There's a Mythbusters episode where they convincingly bust the fact that drifting might be faster round corners than non-drifting.
They even manage to match the time set by a professional drifter in a proper car set up for drifting when driving in a non-drift manor. Completely busted.
Esp. in low grip situations, some drift can be an advantage. Ben Collins talked about small drifts in his Ferrari 458 GTE (it's a GTE right?) in wet conditions and that it makes him quicker compared to other drivers if I remember correctly. Also on gravel drifting is very common in WRC for example, one of the reasons is that braking on gravel is by far not as easy as on tarmac.

Btw. I also like to drive the Lykan for the same reason ^^ it goes sideways a lot and compared to power and torque the grip is let's say, below average. But I still see that car as a fantasy car :X

Grijo
11-08-2015, 10:42
I miss my drifting days in Shift 2 and Grid using cockpit view. Maybe not a real simulators but a lot of fun!

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
11-08-2015, 11:49
Esp. in low grip situations, some drift can be an advantage. Ben Collins talked about small drifts in his Ferrari 458 GTE (it's a GTE right?) in wet conditions and that it makes him quicker compared to other drivers if I remember correctly. Also on gravel drifting is very common in WRC for example, one of the reasons is that braking on gravel is by far not as easy as on tarmac.yeppers, and it also depends a lot on your equipment and what you allow as "drifting". Fastest way in any car is always sliding around corners at the optimum slip angle, which for modern racers is usually almost invisible when viewed from footage (unless you get the camera just right to show the slight slides) but the drivers definitely feel it, but for some older cars or even modern cars on certain tyre types can be very noticeable. Going around a corner with bias plies at their peak slip angle of around 10-12 degrees can be very visible indeed, and I'd already call it a drift.

LPlates
11-08-2015, 12:16
Just out of curiosity ... how would you do that?

Drifting is style of driving and can be achieved in fact with any car. It is not something you can switch On or Off (at least in a simulator).

It is true that drifting a car is a combination of setup and driver technique, however a "drift" mode would setup the game to recognise drifting goals and award points based on achieving them.

At the moment an event is geared towards either a) complete x laps quicker than your opponents - aka racing; or b) complete a solo lap as fast as possible - aka time trial.

Azure Flare
11-08-2015, 12:16
I'd say the Rote Sau is pretty good. All it wants to do is drive aideways, so why not let do what it wants to do?

miagi
11-08-2015, 12:53
yeppers, and it also depends a lot on your equipment and what you allow as "drifting". Fastest way in any car is always sliding around corners at the optimum slip angle, which for modern racers is usually almost invisible when viewed from footage (unless you get the camera just right to show the slight slides) but the drivers definitely feel it, but for some older cars or even modern cars on certain tyre types can be very noticeable. Going around a corner with bias plies at their peak slip angle of around 10-12 degrees can be very visible indeed, and I'd already call it a drift.
Definition of drift or drifting is a good point here. In the case you described, in pCARS with certain setup I noticed that the LMP1 tend to go for high sideslip angle. Some drivers confuse that with the car getting out of control and back off, but that's no necessary. In a steady-state circular test the car may go for high sideslip angles, as long as that state is stable the car will do that all day long and I wouldn't call it drifting. For me drifting is when the car is balanced outside the stable cornering.

But opinions may differ on that topic, and I don't mind someone having a different view on it and transition from stable to unstable cornering can be a smooth transition. Some tires don't show a precise grip peak at high load or high lateral forces, so transition from the stable area to the unstable path can be smooth too. That is a typically case on wet surface or gravel anyway.

NemethR
11-08-2015, 13:01
It is true that drifting a car is a combination of setup and driver technique, however a "drift" mode would setup the game to recognise drifting goals and award points based on achieving them.

At the moment an event is geared towards either a) complete x laps quicker than your opponents - aka racing; or b) complete a solo lap as fast as possible - aka time trial.

Well, it says Community Assisted Racing Simulation.

So, this is not a Rally simulation, nor a Drifting simulation.
It is a Racing simulation, and it does that pretty well.

baz00ka
11-08-2015, 13:06
try McLaren F1. this car i found you just have to slip it a little (not wide drifts by any means tho it can do them plenty should you desire) to get a decent time or beat AI even at default 80%. even AI with their simplified physics slip them a bit. too little grip for the power it has but lends itself nicely to on the edge slip because of that engine and throttle response and actually goes around faster as result. not sure anyone can drive it like that in real life tho as those are real high speed drifts with little margin for error. maybe someone like Senna would.

LPlates
11-08-2015, 13:28
Well, it says Community Assisted Racing Simulation.

So, this is not a Rally simulation, nor a Drifting simulation.
It is a Racing simulation, and it does that pretty well.
True enough. Although they have announced Rally in Project C.A.R.S 2 so they are clearly flexible about the title and feature set.

Pink_650S
11-08-2015, 13:36
Nissan Silvia S15... Oh wait... :frown-new:

smartin13
11-08-2015, 13:43
the gumpert apollo is very good for drifting. pure fun :)

Grijo
11-08-2015, 13:47
Nissan Silvia S15... Oh wait... :frown-new:

Exactly what i said in post #4!!!! ;)

Pink_650S
11-08-2015, 13:55
Exactly what i said in post #4!!!! ;)

Haha, oops! :rolleyes:

Invincible
11-08-2015, 14:01
I like the RUF RGT8 when it comes to drifting. Or the BAC Mono on the trackday tires.

John Hargreaves
11-08-2015, 14:04
It is true that drifting a car is a combination of setup and driver technique, however a "drift" mode would setup the game to recognise drifting goals and award points based on achieving them.

At the moment an event is geared towards either a) complete x laps quicker than your opponents - aka racing; or b) complete a solo lap as fast as possible - aka time trial.

I think you've made a good point there; I think that when anyone mentions drift mode everyone always thinks they mean altering the physics, but pretty much any vehicle will drift given the right ratio of power, speed and grip. The cars in pCars will do what cars in the real world can do, so they are all driftable. Can't quite get my head round someone who says that just because they hate drifting it shouldn't be in the game though?

For information and enlightenment:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFcGm6NYayI

hkraft300
11-08-2015, 14:15
Why the hate for drifting? Drift is also a legitimate form of Motorsport. Like oval racing, rally, etc it's not to everyone's tastes, and you may not be a fond of the "culture" but how can you not enjoy the driving precision, the tire smoke and turbo awesomeness ;)
With the coming spectate mode, drifters can put on a good show :)
PCars being a racing simulator, it focuses on realism of vehicle/track detail and dynamics - because of this, drifting will be very possible, challenging and rewarding. It won't be so spectacularly sideways due to steering lock limitations of available cars (as discussed above), and tire choice.
Say... To mimic drift cars on semi-slicks, how about the GT3/4 or touring cars on rain tires? What do you think?
PCars + more smoke effect = epic drift show :)

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
11-08-2015, 14:23
Well, it says Community Assisted Racing Simulation.

So, this is not a Rally simulation, nor a Drifting simulation.
It is a Racing simulation, and it does that pretty well.Well there's also such a thing as a "drift race" (I loved those in rFactor, down Akina Downhill), and as a Finn I (have to, by law) take exception to the implication that rallying is somehow not racing. =)

Grijo
11-08-2015, 14:25
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Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
11-08-2015, 14:27
Say... To mimic drift cars on semi-slicks, how about the GT3/4 or touring cars on rain tires? What do you think?Racing rain tyres are far away from road semi-slicks, you'd probably be closer actually with just the slicks. But you do run into the problem of the racing cars (including GT3, GT4 and even the vintage touring cars but to a lesser extent) having too little steering lock, mostly in the 20-25 degree region. Road cars often have over 30 degrees of steering lock available, which is just about enough for drifting, but they still run way short of purpose built drift cars with around 50 degrees of steering lock. You can drift the racing cars, I know, I've done it, but you run out of steering lock really soon when trying to go for larger slides.

hkraft300
11-08-2015, 14:52
Ye big angles won't be possible in those racing cars, but they have the low, stiff chassis for it.
I was thinking maybe rain tires because they'll get nice and toasty to give less grip than the slicks. Just a thought, not that I've tried it. Yet ;)

chig88
11-08-2015, 15:11
Why the hate for drifting? Drift is also a legitimate form of Motorsport. Like oval racing, rally, etc it's not to everyone's tastes, and you may not be a fond of the "culture" but how can you not enjoy the driving precision, the tire smoke and turbo awesomeness ;)
With the coming spectate mode, drifters can put on a good show :)
PCars being a racing simulator, it focuses on realism of vehicle/track detail and dynamics - because of this, drifting will be very possible, challenging and rewarding. It won't be so spectacularly sideways due to steering lock limitations of available cars (as discussed above), and tire choice.
Say... To mimic drift cars on semi-slicks, how about the GT3/4 or touring cars on rain tires? What do you think?
PCars + more smoke effect = epic drift show :)

As you say, I'm kind of put off by the culture, but I definitely admire the driving precision.

Watching those guys in the Japanese drifting cars doughnuting the car with one leg out of the window is hugely impressive :D

hkraft300
11-08-2015, 15:16
I dare say that's the easy part.
During a "race" they are extremely sideways kissing the opponent's bumpers and track barriers just the right amount.
While going really fast. In a cloud of smoke.

Jaroslav Turna
11-08-2015, 15:43
How about 190E as a drift car ???

This was taken last weekend ... the blonde girl in rear window is my daughter .... you could say I love the culture as well as driving precision and showmanship presented by drivers :p

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Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
11-08-2015, 16:17
How about 190E as a drift car ???

This was taken last weekend ... the blonde girl in rear window is my daughter .... you could say I love the culture as well as driving precision and showmanship presented by drivers :p

214858Get Casey to bump up the steering lock* and return the street tyres as options (I loved that stage during development, trying out all sorts of cars like the vintage touring cars and the Radicals, which are road legal in the UK, with street tyres :)) and it'd work quite well. Heck, I already like drifting the 190E in-game, but the point of no return isn't too far out due to the low steering lock. =)

*Note: I'm not being serious, this would be unrealistic for the car. Would be nice to have a slightly modified drift version of it though...

John Hargreaves
11-08-2015, 19:15
Well, it says Community Assisted Racing Simulation.


Community Assisted Racing Simulation

:rolleyes:

If a real car can do it on a real track then its all good imo.

Azure Flare
12-08-2015, 00:46
(I loved that stage during development, trying out all sorts of cars like the vintage touring cars and the Radicals, which are road legal in the UK, with street tyres :))

Hopefully, we can do that for the sequel. I'd be that idiot who would try cars with slicks on rally courses just for shits and giggles. :p

Bouyo
12-08-2015, 02:00
Caterham R500 all day.

No downforce, skinny tyres and boat loads of power, what more do you need!

creepyd
12-08-2015, 07:03
I really like the Caterham R500 and in fact do often drift it very slightly round those 3rd gear type bends, it definitely seems faster.

I think there are two kinds of drifting though, there's the being on the limit kind that can actually make you faster.
Then there's the throwing it completely sideways to look cool or score points in a drift race - that's never going to make you faster.

Ryzza5
12-08-2015, 08:48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bKpuIYtT1o&list=PLJO09rIH740pDHZUBTv7WtSWJzAGUvXjA&index=17

danowat
12-08-2015, 08:55
I reckon the 300SEL 6.8 AMG is a peachy drift car, so much power and so controllable, you can pretty much hold it just on the edge, even with the controller.

John Hargreaves
12-08-2015, 09:02
What's the general principle of a good drift setup? Is it just a case of getting it as low and stiff as possible, or is there a trick to getting the back end loose without it just sliding out of control into a spin?

I fancy giving it a try

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
12-08-2015, 10:55
What's the general principle of a good drift setup? Is it just a case of getting it as low and stiff as possible, or is there a trick to getting the back end loose without it just sliding out of control into a spin?

I fancy giving it a tryMany drifters from Japan have said that a good drift setup is a balanced track setup. They want the car to be neutral by itself, then coax it to do stuff using the controls. Then some others just go for maximum rear stiffness to reduce grip there, making it easier to get the tail out. It varies from person to person. I just use the OEM style setups and make them dance via the controls. =)

High acceleration lock is helpful though, it makes sure both the driven wheels spin.

Invincible
12-08-2015, 11:17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bKpuIYtT1o&list=PLJO09rIH740pDHZUBTv7WtSWJzAGUvXjA&index=17

Bet that video will make the "I-want-to-turn-left-and-left-and-left"requests have their great comeback :p

Jaroslav Turna
15-08-2015, 12:44
....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDnGARfhKAc

John Hargreaves
15-08-2015, 17:00
I've been having a lot of fun with the 1M, taking it out in light rain. What tyres do you prefer for drifting?

Racer Pro
15-08-2015, 17:07
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bKpuIYtT1o&list=PLJO09rIH740pDHZUBTv7WtSWJzAGUvXjA&index=17Indianapolis is not in project cars.

miagi
15-08-2015, 17:25
Indianapolis is not in project cars.
Well what did you saw there?

John Hargreaves
15-08-2015, 19:57
I‘m making progress getting the 1M to drift in the dry. It‘s amazing how much setup changes are reflected in the behaviour of the car, but a few small tweaks have changed the 1M from pure frustration to predictability and control. Main thing I have done is increase rear tyre pressure and up the diff settings a bit. Completely changes the behaviour of the car so you have confidence slinging it into a corner and steering with the throttle.
I‘m still in the trial and error phase, but having plenty of fun trying to master the whole process of getting a stable and predictable car that is happy going sideways.

John Hargreaves
15-08-2015, 19:59
Indianapolis is not in project cars.

Indianapolis is not in Project Cars yet - who knows what they have in the pipeline?

Ryzza5
15-08-2015, 23:33
Yes, note the upload date.