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jason
28-08-2015, 00:38
As the topic says why is it not possible to get the street car and the race car of the same car ? e.g the latest DLC packs ......... I know not all cars come out in race form .

But the ones that do could be in race fitout and street fitout , the model is in place in most cases ........

I know you cant keep everyone happy with your DLC and I have stated that I'm not a big fan of the street cars ....... It's more than likely to late to contemplate it now , but it would have been a great bonus and a good way to please all car fans of all types.

Extra work In the physics department know :(

TheReaper GT
28-08-2015, 01:45
We already have both race and road cars of the Audi r8, Mercedes sls, ruf rgt8 and mclaren 12c. It must be a license issue.

jason
28-08-2015, 01:48
May well be bud.

TheReaper GT
28-08-2015, 01:53
I forgot the mclaren f1 and ruf ctr3. I'd like to see new combos though. Maybe the new AMG GT and the glorious race version,mclaren 650s, vipers and corvettes.

resmania
28-08-2015, 01:55
Not possible unless SMS renew their license contract with the manufacturer.

aerchak
28-08-2015, 03:36
You know, I do agree with the OP, but I also understand why it isn't possible. God, I would love to have the GT350R to abuse.

And something like this: http://www.historictransam.com/images/WineCountry03/WC031315.jpg

I will never not like old Trans Am muscle cars. I love how they still race these in actual series down in Australia. Dammit, Australia. Why do you have to be so awesome?

jason
28-08-2015, 03:40
We love muscle cars in Australia .

Cheesenium
28-08-2015, 04:00
Dammit, Australia. Why do you have to be so awesome?

Because, it is Australia. :P

I love that country. Tonnes of muscle cars around.

At least for the Mustang 2+2, can we have racing liveries please? It is a perfect fit for Historic B as it has incredible acceleration but pretty awful handling.

Both BMW 2002 and Mustang 2+2 is classed in the Road section in the car selection screen for some weird reasons.

Plage
28-08-2015, 04:12
We love muscle cars in Australia .

But not as much as UTEs.

jason
28-08-2015, 04:13
But not as much as UTEs.

Anything with a v8 :)

aerchak
28-08-2015, 04:22
Yeah I was really hoping the 66 would be a stripped down T/A car. It's still awesome and fun to drive as it is, and I'm sure we'll have some custom racing liveries for it on PC soon enough.

Would have been cool to see one with yellow headlights and some obnoxious chin spoiler, as well as some way-too-wide smoke billowing vintage bias ply race tires.

Cheesenium
28-08-2015, 04:24
But not as much as UTEs.

Before I accidentally turn this into a car request thread.

I like to see the Ford UTE in pCARS. :(

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
28-08-2015, 05:10
Yeah I was really hoping the 66 would be a stripped down T/A car. It's still awesome and fun to drive as it is, and I'm sure we'll have some custom racing liveries for it on PC soon enough.

Would have been cool to see one with yellow headlights and some obnoxious chin spoiler, as well as some way-too-wide smoke billowing vintage bias ply race tires.FWIW the current tyres are definitely a racing bias plies, just not the way too wide kind. Road tyres would have significantly less grip than the current tyres. =)

Cheesenium
28-08-2015, 06:44
FWIW the current tyres are definitely a racing bias plies, just not the way too wide kind. Road tyres would have significantly less grip than the current tyres. =)

Hey Jussi, does that mean that the current 66 Mustang is designed as a race car form setup point of view?

I really dont mind having it as another car in Historic B. It is really fun to have long battles with the pig, Escort and 2002.

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
28-08-2015, 09:13
Hey Jussi, does that mean that the current 66 Mustang is designed as a race car form setup point of view?

I really dont mind having it as another car in Historic B. It is really fun to have long battles with the pig, Escort and 2002.Not necessarily from a setup point of view, Casey's explanation of the physics of Old vs. New (there's a thread for it) sounds like the default is based on the road car running a handling kit, so stiffer than the bone stock, but not racing spec. I expect though that you can stiffen the suspension up to racing levels quite easily though, and the tyres are already there. Whether the engine and brakes can keep up though...

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
28-08-2015, 09:24
Relevant quote:


Ford Mustang 2+2 fastback
The Mustang was a huge hit from day one, and with models like this it’s not difficult to see why. We’ve opted for the K Code engine with 271hp, 3.0:1 rear end ratio by default as it's best for most track use, 135 lb/in rear leaf spring from the handling package, and stiffer than stock front coils as the standard 100 lb/in guys just can't handle in hard track use especially in AI hands (but they are available in setup if you want to try the car as it came out of showrooms). Lots of other little bits were able to be taken and modified from the Escort Mk1 with minor edits as the architecture is essentially similar between the two cars. Aerodynamics are not good, suspension is rough around the edges, tires are nowhere near modern standards, and that engine is well beyond all of the above, but man...Is the slowest car in game also the most fun to race? I think maybe so. So yeah, handling package springs. I think the 100 lb/in springs would probably work on the track with road tyres and their lower grip (more grip = more forces acting on the car = more roll, dive, squat), but for the racing tyres the car is currently on they'd probably be way too soft, wobbling all over the place.

This is something that can happen these days as well. There is a fantastic video on YouTube where Tire Rack tested a Mustang with three different levels of modern sporty tyres. The first two were fine, but the last ones were so grippy it was starting to throw the body of the car around, the car felt more dangerous and unstable as a result. To run those tyres properly on a track the car would need stiffer suspension.

Cheesenium
28-08-2015, 09:35
Not necessarily from a setup point of view, Casey's explanation of the physics of Old vs. New (there's a thread for it) sounds like the default is based on the road car running a handling kit, so stiffer than the bone stock, but not racing spec. I expect though that you can stiffen the suspension up to racing levels quite easily though, and the tyres are already there. Whether the engine and brakes can keep up though...

I did 2 races with the 66 Mustang with Escort, 300SL and 2002, it seemed like it is a good fit for that class. Touring cars form that era arent exactly as well race prepped as modern race cars so I guess the Mustang would be fine there.

It is just I am confused on where the 66 Mustang belongs. It races with Historic B but it appears on the road cars section with road cars liveries.

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
28-08-2015, 09:53
Well it is a road car, but with the tyres it has it can do races as well.

Cheesenium
28-08-2015, 10:48
Well it is a road car, but with the tyres it has it can do races as well.

I can see from your point of view.

It is just that, in terms of polish, it does look a bit weird to see Mustang and 2002 being classed in the car selection UI as Road cars but they raced in Historic B. While for the Mustang, it odd to see it on track with no racing livery while other cars in Historic B has.

If SMS isnt doing anything about it, then, I cant do much about it. It is the OCD part of me that cant really get over this minor polish issue.

Also, the broken Huayra flaps.

toxicfiend
28-08-2015, 14:03
because we are thats why lol