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T0MMY
02-09-2015, 01:50
Can't seem to find a thread that gathers all the tease SMS puts up on Instagram and upcoming cars from old announcement, so here's a thread for that. I'll try to keep it updated whenever I find anything.

These are all the contents confirmed or tease by SMS and not through leaks or modifying game files.

DLC Schedule/Plan (Last Update: May 2016) (http://i.imgur.com/utehbAo.jpg)

Game of the Year Edition Trailer (Complete Edition):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGD7jWLmfxg

Upcoming cars that SMS licensed and announced before the game released

Ford (http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/eleven-fords-to-be-included-in-project-cars/)
- 2012 Ford Focus ST (BTCC)

Lotus (http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/classic-lotus-race-cars-coming-to-project-cars/)
- 1968 Lotus 56 (Indy Car)

Bad News Section


Probably another 4ish months (from December). It's eating a hell of a lot of our time and we're falling behind on pCARS2. I'd also like to have a good selection of cool new things for the next game.

Original post: link (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?43313-Questions-and-answers-in-here&p=1198950&viewfull=1#post1198950)

Cancelled/Uncertain Status Tracks

- Classic Tracks ("SMS don't have the time and capacity to do them proper justice. There are cost considerations also" (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?43313-Questions-and-answers-in-here&p=1198708&viewfull=1#post1198708))
- Ovals ("It's not looking very likely. We're running into licensing issues with providing a non AI version of the ovals." (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?24686-Where-s-all-the-Oval-Tracks&p=1238601&viewfull=1#post1238601))

Swapped/Scrapped Cars Confirmed By SMS

Renault (http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/renault-joins-project-cars/)
- 1999 Renault Laguna BTCC (Swapped for Formula Renault 3.5 and Renault R.S. 01 (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?43313-Questions-and-answers-in-here&p=1198697&viewfull=1#post1198697))

Aston Martin (http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/seven-aston-martins-join-project-cars/)
- 1963 Aston Martin DP212 ("Same Fate as Renault Laguna BTCC", possibly swapped for Aston Martin Vantage GT12 (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?43313-Questions-and-answers-in-here&p=1198733&viewfull=1#post1198733))

Probably For Sequel


I can't say much but I can say it is not exclusive and fans of the pCARS series should have some good news very soon.

Original Link (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?38467-Upcoming-DLC-Tease-from-SMS-and-Speculation-(Spoilers)&p=1288813#post1288813)

fa-racing
02-09-2015, 02:08
v8 supercar!!!! yes!

jason
02-09-2015, 02:29
2012 Ford Fusion NASCAR Stock Car


2013 Ford Falcon FG (Australian V8 Supercar Car of the Future)

These are the 2 standouts for me ....


Nice work TOMMY !

MillsLayne
02-09-2015, 02:44
All of the Fords, Lotus', Renaults and Indycars intrigue me. Can't wait!

jason
02-09-2015, 02:51
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fa-racing
02-09-2015, 03:00
2013 Ford Falcon FG (Australian V8 Supercar Car of the Future)
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would have been better if it was a Holden though.. ;)

jason
02-09-2015, 03:06
would have been better if it was a Holden though.. ;)

I'm with ya bud :(

T0MMY
02-09-2015, 03:08
would have been better if it was a Holden though.. ;)

It would be even better if we have both Ford and Holden here :D

jason
02-09-2015, 03:09
HQ holden :) now that would be a challenge

MillsLayne
02-09-2015, 03:20
Hey, after Forza 6 announced that they were getting official V8 Supercars licensing, I'll take anything from V8S to have in the game.

Wizards ZA
02-09-2015, 03:34
The 2 BTCC's, Nascar and the Aston Gte would be great. V8 Supercar also.

c172fccc
02-09-2015, 03:58
WIP Car (Rallycross?)
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Nope, that's not RX.

It's this monster:

http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/RADBUL-09.jpg
http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/RADBUL-57.jpg

http://www.speedhunters.com/2015/04/a-bull-at-the-gate-mad-mikes-26b-tt-mx-5-has-arrived/

blacknred81
02-09-2015, 04:01
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Is this suppose to be Bannochbrae/Misty Loch or a completely new track? Cause I cant find any similarities with those pics and Bannochbrae....

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MillsLayne
02-09-2015, 04:13
Drifting? Lame.

c172fccc
02-09-2015, 04:20
Drifting? Lame.

Drifting with a 1000hp rwd car, that's not what I would call lame. I really can't wait to drive/drift this.

jason
02-09-2015, 04:24
It looks like weapon !

MillsLayne
02-09-2015, 04:32
Drifting with a 1000hp rwd car, that's not what I would call lame. I really can't wait to drive/drift this.

It'll be fun to drive, but for me personally, it won't get much use. I want proper race cars, but who knows, I might change my mind once I try it.

Cheesenium
02-09-2015, 04:49
Nope, that's not RX.

It's this monster:

http://www.speedhunters.com/2015/04/a-bull-at-the-gate-mad-mikes-26b-tt-mx-5-has-arrived/

That would be cool actually. Even when I'm not too fond of drift cars, I could still take it for a race in Spa.

Hopefully it will come with other JDM or American tuner machines so that they won't be merged into existing class. Hopefully its a brand new class.

If we are getting that tuned version of Mazda MX5, can we get other Mazda cars too? Like 787B, Mazda Cup, 2015 MX5, a tuned RX7 and Mazda diesel LMP2.

Can we have a RWB style Yellowbird please?


It'll be fun to drive, but for me personally, it won't get much use. I want proper race cars, but who knows, I might change my mind once I try it.

A drift car is still a race car. Except it is designed to go sideways fast than straight. It is still motorsport discipline.

T0MMY
02-09-2015, 06:11
Nope, that's not RX.

It's this monster:

http://www.speedhunters.com/2015/04/a-bull-at-the-gate-mad-mikes-26b-tt-mx-5-has-arrived/

Thanks for the confirmation, looking forward to have that in game.

Hope to see more of these in game and Mazda cars :cool:


Is this suppose to be Bannochbrae/Misty Loch or a completely new track? Cause I cant find any similarities with those pics and Bannochbrae....

It used to be called Fort Felix, there are a few videos of it on youtube but so far nothing seem to match. It is possible that SMS has overhauled the whole track.

dominiczeth
02-09-2015, 06:33
No i don't think so. It seems to be a completly new p2p Track.

balderz002
02-09-2015, 06:36
Aston Lola LMP1 - YES!
Aston GTE - YES!
Laguna BTCC 1999 - YEEESSSSSSS!

F1Aussie
02-09-2015, 09:31
HQ holden :) now that would be a challenge

XY GT phase III and XA falcon coupe or unrealesed XA phase IV, that would get the blood pumping!

x ImJakeyy
02-09-2015, 12:00
No i don't think so. It seems to be a completly new p2p Track.

I think it looks like Bannochbrae, obviously changes will have been made in the last 2-3 years on this circuit without us knowing :)

resmania
02-09-2015, 12:58
Cool track..

BMWE87
02-09-2015, 13:01
PCars needs more BTCC/WTCC.

balderz002
02-09-2015, 13:40
PCars needs more BTCC/WTCC.

Alot more Endurance Racing cars too (GT/ LMP).

Aritz
02-09-2015, 13:48
Alot more Endurance Racing cars too (GT/ LMP).

And Blackjack and h...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e35AQK014tI

:P

Synner40
02-09-2015, 14:03
2012 Ford Fusion NASCAR Stock Car


2013 Ford Falcon FG (Australian V8 Supercar Car of the Future)

These are the 2 standouts for me ....


Nice work TOMMY !

just give me the stock car and I'll be happy! (with Penske/Roush liveries) I have a love hate relationship with the caper. can't wait to take the modern gen 6(or gen 5) around Watkins glen short.

Cheesenium
02-09-2015, 14:04
PCars needs more BTCC/WTCC.

Definitely, I still hope SMS will license Ford Mondeo And BMW 320i that used to race with Renault Laguna BTCC.

Maybe grab Honda license for the new Civic WTCC for Touring Cars 2 and also the 90s Accord BTCC for races with Renault Laguna.

TwilightUA
02-09-2015, 14:33
Alot more Endurance Racing cars too (GT/ LMP).

There already 10 GT3 ( with Aston Martin Vantage GTE, if it's really will be in next dlc) and ̶3̶0̶ 15 LMP, while some classes have 1-3 cars.

1999 Renault Laguna BTCC. I wonder, can it be theoretically paired with 320TC and Focus BTCC? Does performance differs that much? Laguna has 300+ bhp 2.0 N\A engine IIRC

Ralf1973
02-09-2015, 14:35
I hope they release the other liverys from the Capri too, like the Pentosin and D&W Capris.
two Pics:
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http://germansimracinggroup.de/

blacknred81
02-09-2015, 14:57
just give me the stock car and I'll be happy! (with Penske/Roush liveries) I have a love hate relationship with the caper. can't wait to take the modern gen 6(or gen 5) around Watkins glen short.

Its the Gen 6, someone posted the WIP model of the car awhile ago (Cant find that picture though, maybe someone else has it)

T0MMY
02-09-2015, 15:03
Another screenshot of the (possible) September DLC track is released:

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I'm really looking forward to this track, it looks like a great place to bring out one of the road cars to cruise on it.

Psychomatrix
02-09-2015, 15:14
Look forward to new tracks and TC2 Car.The Vantage GTE should be on normal tracks faster than the GT3 Cars. Old GT2 Cars where pretty even to the GT3 Cars. So it will be interessting to see how fast the GTE in corners goes. But the Aston DLC seems to be must have.

Pink_650S
02-09-2015, 15:38
Another screenshot of the (possible) September DLC track is released:

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I'm really looking forward to this track, it looks like a great place to bring out one of the road cars to cruise on it.

Hopefully no point 2 point track.
Would be very disappointing, because it looks amazing!

steviraikkonen
02-09-2015, 15:47
The video on YouTube shows them doing laps :)

Pink_650S
02-09-2015, 16:28
The video on YouTube shows them doing laps :)

Thats great news :D

Davie675
02-09-2015, 16:33
The video on YouTube shows them doing laps :)

Link to the video?

TwilightUA
02-09-2015, 16:57
The video on YouTube shows them doing laps :)

Oh no. I hope that at least it will be long enough.

steviraikkonen
02-09-2015, 16:57
Just type project cars messing around in Scotland
I think that should do it

TwilightUA
02-09-2015, 17:00
Thanks

rocho
02-09-2015, 17:06
If I type that, the only result is an old build of Branochbrae. :(

steviraikkonen
02-09-2015, 17:09
Yeah its an old build but im led to believe that we are getting the finished version all shiny and that

FS7
02-09-2015, 17:15
Thanks for making this thread!
Some nice cars coming, and I'm really looking forward to getting more tracks.

snipeme77
02-09-2015, 17:21
bbbbbbbbbbbBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM... Clunk, clink, clunk... bbbbbbbbbbbBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Retro racing is a go! :)

Cheesenium
02-09-2015, 17:26
Thats one stunning looking track. Might be really fun with some classic F1s or touring cars.

Maybe even bringing road cars there would be really fun too.

Jezza819
02-09-2015, 17:28
Classic Hockenheim was in my track wish list so I will be very happy. :)

chig88
02-09-2015, 18:24
Never thought I'd say this, but..... I'm looking forward to driving the Renault Megane :D

FS7
02-09-2015, 20:31
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Mbondracing
02-09-2015, 21:09
That laguna brings back so many memories, used to watch touring cars at thruxton and snetterton with my dad, would love to have that in the game, along with the rest of the grid...including the volvo estate! would be amazing!

CreasingCurve1
03-09-2015, 03:04
HQ holden :) now that would be a challenge
I disagree I want a 2 Door LC Torana with a 202 and Weber carburettors.

Dmitry Afanasyev
03-09-2015, 11:04
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/s750x750/sh0.08/e35/11820686_1637450196523893_365215899_n.jpg

Wow! Test Track looks amazing now. Can't wait to go back there

Invincible
03-09-2015, 11:11
I hope we can also do races there! Not only practice... One could use the circle to prepare for ovals ;)

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
03-09-2015, 11:32
Damn! That looks so much nicer than it used to. :D

Hopefully they fixed the issues on the high side of the oval.

Cheesenium
03-09-2015, 11:55
The test track looks amazing!

If we are getting a drift Miata, I think i'll spend a lot of time trying to drift there.

maurice-pascale
03-09-2015, 11:58
I hope we can also do races there! Not only practice... One could use the circle to prepare for ovals ;)

Yeah that would be brilliant, when we could choose, for race's, the layouts on the Test Track.....there are so much nice cirquits and a very nice oval to test all the top speeds of the cars.......

hope this track is next....i really really hope ^^

mrbrownnose
03-09-2015, 12:03
0vals

T0MMY
03-09-2015, 12:36
The test track looks fantastic!

Just updated the first post with new screenshots

x ImJakeyy
03-09-2015, 15:03
Am I the only one that thinks the Test Track could be given to us free just in a update instead of DLC?

Sankyo
03-09-2015, 15:08
Am I the only one that thinks the Test Track could be given to us free just in a update instead of DLC?
Yes :p
The devs don't work for free...

Invincible
03-09-2015, 15:08
Am I the only one that thinks the Test Track could be given to us free just in a update instead of DLC?

Never took that into consideration, but now that you've said it... :D

Cheesenium
03-09-2015, 15:36
Am I the only one that thinks the Test Track could be given to us free just in a update instead of DLC?

I won't complain if it's free :p

FLX81
03-09-2015, 15:51
It is more of a tool than an actual track, a feature if you will. As such imho it should be free. Also I think its too niche for a large amount of people to spend money on.

x ImJakeyy
03-09-2015, 16:23
It is more of a tool than an actual track, a feature if you will. As such imho it should be free. Also I think its too niche for a large amount of people to spend money on.

That's what I'm thinking its more a fun proving ground, will have to wait and see what happens in the next patch and DLC

x ImJakeyy
03-09-2015, 16:25
Yes :p
The devs don't work for free...

(Cough) Free Cars (Cough)

Its exactly the same as them, and ohh we had this same track in the WMD builds, all depends how much was changed since the WMD build version of this track.

MacPhisto
03-09-2015, 16:55
Or it can just be packaged in a DLC as something extra. Well I'm sure SMS can figure out a good way to distribute and their DLC prices are really reasonable anyway.

bigsilverhotdog
03-09-2015, 17:40
I don't have a problem with the DLC strategy of this game so far but the test track really needs to be free. It's a tool for tuning and testing cars, and as such should not be restricted to only those that purchase the DLC for it. Plus it would be great publicity and a chance to get PCARS some positive press.

It also looks much nicer than it used to. Great work! I'm overall quite excited for the content that is coming up... but then I'd be excited for almost anything new and somewhat interesting from a racing point of view. I like almost every race car and race track ever invented. ;-)

crowtrobot
03-09-2015, 17:55
Or it can just be packaged in a DLC as something extra. Well I'm sure SMS can figure out a good way to distribute and their DLC prices are really reasonable anyway.
Even if it's in the DLC as something "extra", the likely public perception would be that you have to *pay for* the Test Track, rather than it being a free bonus with something you paid for. More or less equivalent, but it's an important distinction. I will be buying the content anyway, but I think it would be a smart move and good publicity to just release it for free.

yusupov
03-09-2015, 18:01
correct, if you release something for free, that means people DONT have to pay anything for it if they want it :P

Machinaea
03-09-2015, 18:18
Tommy, do you have any other source for the Mad Mike's MX5 or is it simply because it really looks like it could be it (I've not seen any other information/screens related to that car yet)? It definitely looks like a drift car and similar to the MX5, but could there be other similar cars to fit the bill?

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
03-09-2015, 18:56
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Hmmm... Yeah, if it's not that then someone is building a pretty exact replica of it and SMS is modeling that... It seems like it's pretty early in the development phase still yet the shape of the handbrake, the mechanism on the bottom, the shifter, the ladder-like thing, the extinguisher, the hole on the dash (low poly as it is currently), the roll-cage (though either it's still just a hint off or the angle is playing tricks on me)... They're pretty much identical, the hole for the shifter is a bit too square still but it's still early days for the car. Would be surprised if it didn't turn out to be that one.

k.merse
03-09-2015, 19:10
OK, if that Aston and that bumpy road on the images under it come in the next DLC, I'll get back to playing PCars. I'm officially excited :)
Oh and a Mazda would bring some much needed variety into the car park.

FS7
03-09-2015, 19:47
Another shot of the test track:

https://igcdn-photos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s750x750/sh0.08/e35/11374180_898001030274365_1392449778_n.jpg

Flaw3dGenius
03-09-2015, 19:51
Another shot of the test track:

https://igcdn-photos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s750x750/sh0.08/e35/11374180_898001030274365_1392449778_n.jpg

Why are these shots really low res? Any 1080p shots anywhere?

Neil Hopwood
03-09-2015, 20:00
Another shot of the test track:

https://igcdn-photos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s750x750/sh0.08/e35/11374180_898001030274365_1392449778_n.jpg

Damn, I almost didn't recognize it. Looks amazing.

Invincible
03-09-2015, 20:03
Damn, I almost didn't recognize it. Looks amazing.

It certainly does. Can't wait to blast trough the high speed circle and then take a left onto the short twisty hillclimb section again!

John Hargreaves
03-09-2015, 20:13
Another shot of the test track:

https://igcdn-photos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s750x750/sh0.08/e35/11374180_898001030274365_1392449778_n.jpg

Looks like they got rid of the dirt section if that's the bit I'm thinking of

Neil Hopwood
03-09-2015, 20:17
Looks like they got rid of the dirt section if that's the bit I'm thinking of


It was originally tarmac. AJ just added the dirt for a fun test. It was never meant to stay.

John Hargreaves
03-09-2015, 20:23
I did like that section though while it lasted. Guess I'll have to wait 'til 2.0 :rolleyes:

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
03-09-2015, 20:33
Yeah, the initial gravel tests were a lot of fun, but obviously nowhere near release quality. =)

Neil Hopwood
03-09-2015, 21:05
Yeah, the initial gravel tests were a lot of fun, but obviously nowhere near release quality. =)

I still find it amusing that AJs hacked in dirt was better than most other games final dirt physics

MillsLayne
03-09-2015, 21:58
That oval looks like something out of Destruction Derby! Where are my Capers at!

T0MMY
03-09-2015, 22:45
Tommy, do you have any other source for the Mad Mike's MX5 or is it simply because it really looks like it could be it (I've not seen any other information/screens related to that car yet)? It definitely looks like a drift car and similar to the MX5, but could there be other similar cars to fit the bill?

It is pretty much identical to the real car dash that's why I label it that, that's the only shot of the car we have.

Gordon
04-09-2015, 05:11
Is this suppose to be Bannochbrae/Misty Loch or a completely new track? Cause I cant find any similarities with those pics and Bannochbrae....

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This IS Bannoch Brae.

The latest pics of a Scottish track are not.

mjemec11
04-09-2015, 06:12
Drag strip?

https://scontent-vie1-1.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s750x750/sh0.08/e35/11931133_966757050034760_1750671414_n.jpg

Invincible
04-09-2015, 06:14
Yes, there is one on the test track :D

But I've never seen it with the road marking tough... looks amazing!

LukeC
04-09-2015, 06:37
I'm massively excited about the test track. Does anyone know roughly what the circumference of that outer circle is? And will we get absolute freedom to combine the layouts how we want?

T0MMY
04-09-2015, 07:17
The test track sure looks good, hope it get release soon. The oval will be fantastic with Caper on it.

Sankyo
04-09-2015, 07:19
Why are these shots really low res?
Because they are teasers? :)

T0MMY
04-09-2015, 09:40
First shot of the 1952 Mercedes 300 SL W194 on Scottish track release:

https://instagram.com/p/7NCcNITBiW/

On a phone now, I'll add the shot to the first post later

Cheesenium
04-09-2015, 09:47
First shot of the 1952 Mercedes 300 SL W194 on Scottish track release:

https://instagram.com/p/7NCcNITBiW/

On a phone now, I'll add the shot to the first post later

Reposted on imgur.

http://i.imgur.com/MJU3Qpk.png?1

That is one beautiful screen shot.

Scuderia Paul
04-09-2015, 10:52
Wow, that looks absolutely beautiful. Looking forward to having a dusk drive on this track in that Mercedes or Aston Martin DBR1 in particular.

dodge33cymru
04-09-2015, 13:06
That does look visually stunning, but it appears to be a stretch of modern roads in Britain/Scotland that is not set up as a racing venue. For example, there are no barriers, guardrails, hay bales or even cursory safety protection as in the Isle of Man TT, yet the features are modern, such as the street sign format and the car outside a residence.

If I remember the original Bannochbrae, it was more geared towards being a fictional historic venue but this has been updated to have a somewhat modern vibe, which makes me ask once more "what is this game trying to be?". That's not meant as a trolling point or aggressively, but the more I see about the game, the less certain I am about what it's attempting to portray. It looks more like something that would have been created for World of Speed than Project CARS.

I will probably write something longer about the general topic, but am I the only one looking at the pictures thinking "looks stunning, but I'm never going to use it"?

snipeme77
04-09-2015, 13:32
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FS7
04-09-2015, 18:04
Reposted on imgur.

http://i.imgur.com/MJU3Qpk.png?1

That is one beautiful screen shot.
I'd like to know if I can park the Mercedes and drive that yellow car on the right of the image.

santiagomo87
04-09-2015, 18:14
First shot of the 1952 Mercedes 300 SL W194 on Scottish track release:

https://instagram.com/p/7NCcNITBiW/

On a phone now, I'll add the shot to the first post later

I might be wrong but wouldn't this car be the 300 SLR?

Schadows
04-09-2015, 19:35
217220Made me wish once again that we had touge (japanese mountains pass) in the game, or at least drift dedicated tracks like Ebisu.
With realistic physics like in sims, it's always a great achievement (and a great pleasure once you succeded in doing it) to tackle those corners while drifting.

lifeofbrian
04-09-2015, 19:55
A lot of cars in the OP list that I like, but not a lot of competitors in the game for them. A Chevrolet/Holden/Vauxhall license will solve a lot of this. I wish they released packs like Raceroom do. It seems like there's so little thought or care gone in to the cars they give us. Racing cars from 5 or 10 years apart may be ok for 10 year old console kiddies, but the mature PC master race need more to take this game seriously. And what the hell is that track, this ain't Need for Speed, and who asked for Ruapuna? I love this game but I shake my head at SMS sometimes.


Aston Lola LMP1 - YES!
Aston GTE - YES!
Laguna BTCC 1999 - YEEESSSSSSS!

Pamellaaa
04-09-2015, 21:16
I'd like to know if I can park the Mercedes and drive that yellow car on the right of the image.

Looks like the A class to me, in which case you already can!

TwilightUA
04-09-2015, 21:21
Looks like the A class to me, in which case you already can!

I don't think that hatchback can be in A class ;)

Cholton82
04-09-2015, 21:41
Racing cars from 5 or 10 years apart may be ok for 10 year old console kiddies, but the mature PC master race need more to take this game seriously.

Tongue in cheek surely 👊

hkraft300
04-09-2015, 23:15
It seems like there's so little thought or care gone in to the cars they give us. Racing cars from 5 or 10 years apart may be ok for 10 year old console kiddies, but the mature PC master race need more to take this game seriously. And what the hell is that track, this ain't Need for Speed, and who asked for Ruapuna? I love this game but I shake my head at SMS sometimes.

What the f...?
I will encourage everyone to run a private race with their buddies in LMP900+LMP1 cars. that Lola Aston LMP car is a stunning addition! They're a close enough match in performance and makes for an exciting race, also difficult and different with the variety of cars on the track. Sure it's fantasy, but so much fun!
Also a GT1 vs "GT1X" race is cracking - the Zonda R and Ruf SMS-R are so fast in the straights they give the Merc CLK and McLaren Long Tail a hard time.
So about the Vantage GTE: will the M3 get a GT2/GTE spec for the 2 cars to race together? It wouldn't matter really, nor my above suggestions if SMS were to only release 1-3 cars per competition class. They do put so much thought and care in every car that 1-make races are tough and, most importantly, fun - an aspect some serious sim racers seem to forget.

Can't wait to throw that Lola Aston Martin LMP car in the mix with the LMP1H and LMP900 cars ;)

NBRacing16
04-09-2015, 23:24
I cant wait for a test track style location with many layouts for testing any car setups

hkraft300
05-09-2015, 00:02
I cant wait for a test track style location with many layouts for testing any car setups

As long as the private lobbies don't degenerate into just drag and cruise lobbies like GT5+6 it's fine lol
Console kiddies know what I'm talking about lol

stangnutlx
05-09-2015, 00:10
ive said it before and I'll say it again. SMS does what they want and don't listen. Majority of the racers want race cars, GT3, 2015 Trans am cars etc. Keep pumping out these lame cars I'm sure the sales will diminish

T0MMY
05-09-2015, 00:20
ive said it before and I'll say it again. SMS does what they want and don't listen. Majority of the racers want race cars, GT3, 2015 Trans am cars etc. Keep pumping out these lame cars I'm sure the sales will diminish

I actually want these classics more than GT3, there are enough GT3 at the moment and many classes could use more cars there.

Would like to modern Trans Am though

stangnutlx
05-09-2015, 00:23
I actually want these classics more than GT3, there are enough GT3 at the moment and many classes could use more cars there.

Would like to modern Trans Am though

id love an old trans am series with 60's muscle cars

MadMuhammad6
05-09-2015, 00:33
ive said it before and I'll say it again. SMS does what they want and don't listen. Majority of the racers want race cars, GT3, 2015 Trans am cars etc. Keep pumping out these lame cars I'm sure the sales will diminish

A lot of it would come down to licensing costs mate. I honestly believe they're doing an awesome job with diversity while giving the majority what they want ie: GT3

TwilightUA
05-09-2015, 00:34
ive said it before and I'll say it again. SMS does what they want and don't listen. Majority of the racers want race cars, GT3, 2015 Trans am cars etc. Keep pumping out these lame cars I'm sure the sales will diminish

Why people on the internet never speak for themselves? I'm sure that racers, who want more GT3 cars, aren't majority at all. If you want something - that's fine to tell us, but don't say for others.

thmxvr
05-09-2015, 00:49
I might be wrong but wouldn't this car be the 300 SLR?

Unfortunately for all of us, you are wrong. This is the road version of the famous LeMans racer. Of the few SLR built, only 2 were coupe and those 2 were never raced, also they have "side vents" that the car in this image do not have. We might get excited thinking both the SL and SLR will come in a "Road vs Race" car pack.

Although it should be noted that some of the SL were later modified to be raced (mostly in the US) and the car is pretty cool, just not Sterling Moss cool.

hkraft300
05-09-2015, 00:55
ive said it before and I'll say it again. SMS does what they want and don't listen. Majority of the racers want race cars, GT3, 2015 Trans am cars etc. Keep pumping out these lame cars I'm sure the sales will diminish


id love an old trans am series with 60's muscle cars


Each to their own, mate. This game has such a broad variety of cars, and adding more every few weeks. Have some appreciation for the work some people are putting into these DLC.

You dig trams am and muscle cars but the following car list is just so lame...




Upcoming cars that SMS licensed and announced before the game released

Aston Martin (http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/seven-aston-martins-join-project-cars/)
- 1959 Aston Martin DBR1 (September DLC)
- 1963 Aston Martin DP212
- 2009 Aston Martin DBR1-2 (Is this the Lola Aston Martin B09/60?)
- 2013 Aston Martin Vantage GTE

Ford (http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/eleven-fords-to-be-included-in-project-cars/)
- 2012 Ford Fusion NASCAR Stock Car
- 2012 Ford Focus ST (BTCC)
- 2013 Ford Falcon FG (Australian V8 Supercar Car of the Future)

Lotus (http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/classic-lotus-race-cars-coming-to-project-cars/)
- 1962 Lotus 25 (Formula One car)
- 1965 Lotus 40 (open-top sports car)
- 1965 Lotus 38 (Indy 500 winner)
- 1970 Lotus 49C (Formula One car)
- 1967 Lotus 51 (Formula Ford car)
- 1968 Lotus 56 (Indy Car)

Mercedes (http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/project-cars-welcomes-mercedes-benz/)
- 1952 Mercedes 300 SL W194 (September Free Car/DLC)

Mitsubishi (http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/the-mitsubishi-lancer-evolution-comes-to-project-cars/)
- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI Tommi Mäkinen Edition
- Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX FQ 360

Radical (http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/three-radicals-coming-to-project-cars/)
- Radical RXC Turbo

Renault (http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/renault-joins-project-cars/)
- 1999 Renault Laguna BTCC
- 2009 Renault Mégane Trophy II
- 1978 Renault Alpine A442B

DLC Plan/Released (http://i.imgur.com/VIgeKxN.jpg)

T0MMY
05-09-2015, 01:02
Another shot of the 1952 Mercedes 300 SL W194 released:

https://instagram.com/p/7OcdWEzBtx/

Elaine The Racer
05-09-2015, 01:33
And I thought the 2015 indycar's was coming? Isn't that the old spec aero on the DW12?

Elaine The Racer
05-09-2015, 01:46
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Mahjik
05-09-2015, 02:28
Folks, it's been said that videos created by taking the product apart will not be allowed. I've removed the posts containing such video.

aerchak
05-09-2015, 02:44
I'm concerned. Will it be possible once we have IndyCar in the game for enough parts to be able to haphazardly fly off of the cars?

I feel like having more stuff flying through the air than circa 1968 Vietnam is a crucial part of the immersion of an IndyCar sim at this point.

T0MMY
05-09-2015, 03:33
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Nice, more shots on the Indycar. Where did you find that? Don't see it on Instagram

NuclearPenguin
05-09-2015, 04:09
They were out for a while now. Not sure where they are originally from.

http://i.imgur.com/VtNIryi.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KeBQKfq.jpg

Cheesenium
05-09-2015, 05:42
ive said it before and I'll say it again. SMS does what they want and don't listen. Majority of the racers want race cars, GT3, 2015 Trans am cars etc. Keep pumping out these lame cars I'm sure the sales will diminish

That's false, I like a lot of these classic cars because they offer vastly different driving experience to the modern cars and different challenges to even learn how to drive.

Different people has different taste in cars. For me, I like more 80s Group 5 and Group C. Also more 90s Trans Am and GT1. The issue with the games classic cars are there aren't enough in each class. 1 Group C, 2 Trans Am and 2 Group 5s aren't enough where I am using other games to stratch that itch.

Not to forget, SMS is consist of staff who made GT Legends which is a racing game that only had classic cars which it still did well. Classic cars is part of this company's DNA, whether you like it or not, I am glad that they are keeping to it because it adds more gameplay variety.

antraxx25
05-09-2015, 06:34
http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=216961&d=1441156408

If it's a Mazda MX5 and Mazda brand comes ,I hope later we'll get the Mazda 787B also.

Azure Flare
05-09-2015, 06:43
I hope later we'll get the Mazda 787B also.

I will never for the life of me ever figure out why everyone has a major hard-on for a car that was in reality no better than it's predecessors and only won 1 race because it didn't break.

tgrey
05-09-2015, 07:09
http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=216961&d=1441156408

If it's a Mazda MX5 and Mazda brand comes ,I hope later we'll get the Mazda 787B also.

I know I'm in the minority requesting road cars, since obviously *EVERYONE* wants only race cars (sarcasm)... but if Mazda shows up I'd really love to see the Mazdaspeed 3 (maybe even both generations?) and the Mazdaspeed MX-5. Both are a blast to drive.

But enough of the wish lists... we have enough of those already... What's the story on that test track? It looks like an incredible addition... a drag strip, a skidpad, some nice twisty hills, a banked circle... OH MAN!!! I really hope that's something intended to fill that "coming soon" box.

hkraft300
05-09-2015, 07:38
I will never for the life of me ever figure out why everyone has a major hard-on for a car that was in reality no better than it's predecessors and only won 1 race because it didn't break.

Because JDM ;)
Audi R8 won because it didn't break, and it was designed so when it did break, it was quick and easy to fix.
Anyway, the Mazda is unique historically - quad rotor engine and its unique symphony. Rotaries got banned after that. I'd like to see turbine and rotary hybrids back in LMP alongside piston engines. Make it interesting for engineering geeks.
Anyway. Lola Aston Martin B09/60 V12 LMP1 *drool*

Test track looks interesting and gorgeous.

T0MMY
05-09-2015, 08:41
The newest screenshot of the 1952 Mercedes 300 SL W194 has been added to the first post

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They were out for a while now. Not sure where they are originally from.

The Indycar sure looks good in those shots, won't be putting it up the first post since I want this thread to collect shots released by SMS on social sites themselves.


I know I'm in the minority requesting road cars, since obviously *EVERYONE* wants only race cars (sarcasm)... but if Mazda shows up I'd really love to see the Mazdaspeed 3 (maybe even both generations?) and the Mazdaspeed MX-5. Both are a blast to drive.

But enough of the wish lists... we have enough of those already... What's the story on that test track? It looks like an incredible addition... a drag strip, a skidpad, some nice twisty hills, a banked circle... OH MAN!!! I really hope that's something intended to fill that "coming soon" box.

It will be rather disappointing if the Mazda license doesn't come with any road cars unless it is the same case as Aston Martin, where the road cars and racing ones seems to be split into 2 different licenses. I really want a stock MX5 if pCARS is really getting Mazda.

The test track sure looks incredible, the huge bank curve will be fun to speed around. Not sure how the drag strip will be implemented in game though.

mjemec11
05-09-2015, 08:46
300 SL confirmed as the next free car.

FLX81
05-09-2015, 09:21
I just wish it would have those glorious anti-vulture struts. Lets hope there are no big birds in the DLC that could crash into your windscreen...

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MillsLayne
05-09-2015, 09:26
I will never for the life of me ever figure out why everyone has a major hard-on for a car that was in reality no better than it's predecessors and only won 1 race because it didn't break.

That livery. Look at it. LOOK AT IT! Haha

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/norinews/imgs/b/7/b77feedf.jpg

I couldn't even tell you why I love this car. I just do, and if it came to pCARS, I'd drive the hell out of it.

Cheesenium
05-09-2015, 10:04
I will never for the life of me ever figure out why everyone has a major hard-on for a car that was in reality no better than it's predecessors and only won 1 race because it didn't break.

Because it is probably the only rotary engine Le Mans winner for the last 30-40years if not the only one. It is also the only Japanese manufacturer win in Le Mans where it became an icon for Japan. That Renesis livery is quite memorable too as I don't even remember any race cars having that sort of color combo that made it easy to remember and recognise. Probably those GT games does contribute in making it even more famous.

And I do like to see Group C expanded a bit. There isn't many choices left to expand that class as the iconic a Porsche 962 is owned by EA forever.

Other than Jaguar, Nissan or Mazda, there aren't any more well known ones. Group C has a lot of other cars but they are not famous at all where most people want to see them.

medse87
05-09-2015, 12:16
I will never for the life of me ever figure out why everyone has a major hard-on for a car that was in reality no better than it's predecessors and only won 1 race because it didn't break.

You have to love the sound and it looks great.

Mattze
05-09-2015, 12:59
I will never for the life of me ever figure out why everyone has a major hard-on for a car that was in reality no better than it's predecessors and only won 1 race because it didn't break.

It's one of the most iconic Le Mans winners ever created. I find, the title "Project CARS" defines exactly this type of cars. I hope, it comes in one of the future DLCs or in Project CARS 2

tclancey
05-09-2015, 13:02
I'm rather excited!!

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
05-09-2015, 19:10
Unfortunately for all of us, you are wrong. This is the road version of the famous LeMans racer.Nope, it is in fact the W194, Mercedes' Grand Prix car for 1952, which predates both the SLR (W196S) and the road car (W198). =)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W194

FS7
05-09-2015, 20:58
https://igcdn-photos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t51.2885-15/e35/11809811_118608368491016_813059203_n.jpg

T0MMY
06-09-2015, 03:11
Nice, now we have the first shot of the Aston Martin GTE.

TwilightUA
06-09-2015, 03:36
I kinda like these extra headlights. They change car appearance in a good way. Same goes with 300 SEL.

hkraft300
06-09-2015, 03:45
I kinda like these extra headlights. They change car appearance in a good way. Same goes with 300 SEL.

Because endurance racing!! ;)

Is racing. Is good.

blacknred81
06-09-2015, 04:18
https://igcdn-photos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t51.2885-15/e35/11809811_118608368491016_813059203_n.jpg

TBH I almost mistook that for a real life photo......

E_Luckow
06-09-2015, 04:48
Amazing!

marcelo carbon
06-09-2015, 04:57
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Slowsley
06-09-2015, 05:23
TBH I almost mistook that for a real life photo......

Ha! Me too up until you said that.

Cheesenium
06-09-2015, 06:56
TBH I almost mistook that for a real life photo......

Same for me, I thought who posted a photograph in the wrong thread. Until I saw Yiro tires. :rolleyes:

snipeme77
06-09-2015, 12:41
Wow that picture had me fooled too...

snipeme77
06-09-2015, 12:43
Folks, it's been said that videos created by taking the product apart will not be allowed. I've removed the posts containing such video.

Yeah, that was my bad, I linked the wrong video... sorry

snipeme77
06-09-2015, 18:38
Well I was hanging around GT planet and found some possible goodies. Here's the link https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/project-cars-dlc.327456/
Please note I have no idea if these pictures are allowed or not... Please don't sue, college isn't cheap... :)
Remove pics from post, don't want to get banned. Still can be seen on GT planet

balderz002
06-09-2015, 19:35
Great images!

MrEllawood
06-09-2015, 22:28
But what about Florence (Mugello) Circuit? Possible to have it in the future?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2SL5qTxek0

Other contents, that WMD members tried or saw, but won't be published?

T0MMY
06-09-2015, 22:40
Well I was hanging around GT planet and found some possible goodies. Here's the link [removed]
Please note I have no idea if these pictures are allowed or not... Please don't sue, college isn't cheap...

Pretty sure those are pCARS content but I don't think SMS will like to see their old WMD WIP shots leaked in the official forums.

Nice shots though.


But what about Florence (Mugello) Circuit? Possible to have it in the future.

Other contents, that WMD members tried or saw, but won't be published?

There are a bunch of tracks that WMD tried and saw (Classic Hockenheim, Spa, Silverstone and so on), I might make a list of them if I could find videos of them.

Linus27
06-09-2015, 22:46
Mugello would be a great addition.

Alan Dallas
06-09-2015, 22:55
But what about Florence (Mugello) Circuit? Possible to have it in the future?


Other contents, that WMD members tried or saw, but won't be published?
All in due time. Patience friends, patience. :)

Cheesenium
07-09-2015, 03:07
But what about Florence (Mugello) Circuit? Possible to have it in the future?

Other contents, that WMD members tried or saw, but won't be published?

Mugello and Suzuka are probably the only tracks that wont be available due to licensing issues. Mugello still has a chance but Suzuka is unlikely.

There are other tracks, like classic Spa, classic Monza, Scotland track and also the test track, those will be added to the game via DLC. We used to test very early version of those track which they were taken out of alpha builds early on. It is only Mugello and Suzuka that were taken out close to release due to licensing issues.

Akra
07-09-2015, 08:45
With the addition of the Aston Martin GTE, will they speed up the BMW M3 GT2 to match the cars so they can compete against each other? If they slow down the GTE to GT3 speeds then it'll just be the same as the Vantage GT3 we already have.

T0MMY
07-09-2015, 09:14
I'm pretty sure they will be class in GT3 but GTE is car generally faster in corners and the Vantage GTE runs a V8 while the GT3 has a V12, it won't be the exact same car.

New screenshot of the GTE is released:

http://i.imgur.com/dezdrS3.png

MillsLayne
07-09-2015, 09:16
^Beat me to it! It had the #nextrelease hash tag, too, on Instagram. Can't wait!

seb02
07-09-2015, 09:46
I'm pretty sure they will be class in GT3 but GTE is car generally faster in corners and the Vantage GTE runs a V8 while the GT3 has a V12, it won't be the exact same car.

New screenshot of the GTE is released:

http://i.imgur.com/dezdrS3.png

It won't be a good idea to class her in gt3

maurice-pascale
07-09-2015, 09:58
I'm pretty sure they will be class in GT3 but GTE is car generally faster in corners and the Vantage GTE runs a V8 while the GT3 has a V12, it won't be the exact same car.

New screenshot of the GTE is released:

http://i.imgur.com/dezdrS3.png

But it is total boring...3 same cars.....looks almost same, just a little difference with engine......vantage is the mkst boring aston martin, for beginners....and now we got 3 of an boring car.......not a good idea.....nothing exciting......and looks not very great......i thought the vantage GTE will be a road car and this would make it better......there left a road Aston Martin.......

and its true 2 same cars in one class is boring....dont matter if v8 or v12........new brand would be great or just the VULCAN!

graveltrap
07-09-2015, 10:22
The Aston looks fantastic, very nice to see a proper GTE car make it into the game, I really hope it isn't lumped into the GT3 class like the BMW and its characteristics altered to suit!

It will make for an interesting comparison to the GT3 car on the track, it should less grip and have more top end from my understanding of the different classes.

Hopefully we will see some more GTE cars making an appearance in the game, but the marques involved would look to be difficult, except for Corvette maybe?


Scotland looks rather good as well, a proper playground for the road cars ;)

Cheesenium
07-09-2015, 10:23
With the addition of the Aston Martin GTE, will they speed up the BMW M3 GT2 to match the cars so they can compete against each other? If they slow down the GTE to GT3 speeds then it'll just be the same as the Vantage GT3 we already have.

M3 is quite competitive in their current GT3 class which I think Vantage GTE would fit just now. It will be a Vantage with better cornering capabilities but lower acceleration than GT3. I actually tried pitting GT3, with GT2 and GTE in AC, they seemed to be quite competitive with each other and considering that AC does not do any BoP like SMS or R3E. They use direct manufacturer data. It just doesnt feel authentic so I moved them to separate class while the game has enough cars in different class. GTE, GT3 and GT2 should be able to race with each other fairly, especially after BoP.

I still prefer to see Vantage GTE and M3 GT moved to a new GT2 class. Then, SMS license more cars to fit that class, like C6R, 458, P4/5, Jaguar XJR GT2, Cadillac CTS GT2 or make a fictional flat 6 Ruf for GT2.

QPRLad
07-09-2015, 10:33
It would be strange to see them release 1 GTE car. Unless they do another pack with other GTE spec cars, such as a Corvette, Ferrari (unlikely), Ruf & dodge Viper.
I've only based that list on the Le Mans entry list. This would mean they would need to change the endurance classes and introduce the GTE otherwise you have a very small GTE Championship (if they choose to do one). By the looks of it, it could be an all Aston Pack.

Cheesenium
07-09-2015, 10:41
It would be strange to see them release 1 GTE car. Unless they do another pack with other GTE spec cars, such as a Corvette, Ferrari (unlikely), Ruf & dodge Viper.
I've only based that list on the Le Mans entry list. This would mean they would need to change the endurance classes and introduce the GTE otherwise you have a very small GTE Championship (if they choose to do one). By the looks of it, it could be an all Aston Pack.

We only got one GT2 too despite there are quite a few GT2s in real life.

It is possible that we get an all Aston pack that releases the remaining licensed Aston Martin in the game.

T0MMY
07-09-2015, 10:41
I heard if you flip through the community events, there is a mention on Aston Martin Expansion. Pretty sure we are getting 3 Aston Martin in this DLC and a Mercedes as a free car.

Mascot
07-09-2015, 11:17
Can be added to OP:

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Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
07-09-2015, 11:29
If they slow down the GTE to GT3 speeds then it'll just be the same as the Vantage GT3 we already have.It wouldn't. GTE cars generally are lower power and weight than GT3 cars, with more efficient aero. Even if the Aston GTE was to be slowed down to match the GT3 lineup, it'd still be different to drive, generally it should monster the GT3s in the corners but on the straights the GT3s would claw back a bit. It'd be a different car to drive from the GT3 car, just like the M3 GT is different from the GT3 cars.

Also how different is the level of performance in the two classes, and what is it down to? During development there was a not insignificant amount of talk about this, and among other things we found that GTE tyres generally are just plain better than GT3 tyres, the gap between the cars would be smaller with the same rubber underneath them. When GT3 and GT2/GTE cars are on the same track at the same time but in different classes they usually put extra restrictions on the GT3 cars to create a bigger gap between them. And even then the gap isn't that massive. It's a bit hard to compare because the cars tend to run on different tracks for the most part, but Spa and Silverstone seem to be fairly consistent for both, and this year both will run Nürburgring (Blancpain hasn't yet). On Silverstone this year the difference between pole times in GTE and GT3 has been less than a second. On Spa the Blancpain GT3 cars actually managed a faster Fastest Lap than the GTE cars in WEC, 2:18.751 vs 2:18.774 (WEC pole time was quicker than Blancpain pole time, which were surprisingly high compared to the fastest lap, usually the pole is much quicker than the fastest lap). Similarly last year the fastest laps on those tracks were less than 1 second apart. In 2012 GT3 cars were actually There are also some smaller series where the two go head to head, with slight balancing adjustments, so there's a real life precedent.

Guess at the end what I'm getting at is that I really hope ACO and FIA stop futzing about and settle on a high level GT racing class, so that we can get rid of this situation where there are two equally fast classes going about and splitting the manufacturer efforts and series... The classes are so damn close to each other in speed they should just make a compromise, use the same specs, and get the possibility of bigger grids for all the series they run.

Sasquatch
07-09-2015, 12:41
But it is total boring...3 same cars.....looks almost same, just a little difference with engine......vantage is the mkst boring aston martin, for beginners....and now we got 3 of an boring car.......not a good idea.....nothing exciting......and looks not very great......i thought the vantage GTE will be a road car and this would make it better......there left a road Aston Martin.......

and its true 2 same cars in one class is boring....dont matter if v8 or v12........new brand would be great or just the VULCAN!

Well, wow. A "beginner car"? What? It's simply Aston Martin's modern flagship choice for Motorsport. Professional Motorsport. I hate to tell you this, it's not the "same car" if there's two drastically different engine units. And those saying GTE is faster than GT3... GT3 isn't exactly slow.

But you lost total credibility when you thought it was a road car. Why would you think a "Aston Martin Vantage GTE" is a road car, really? C'mon.

I guess folk gotta complain about something and then be completely unknowledgeable of their opinion.

QPRLad
07-09-2015, 12:54
On Spa the Blancpain GT3 cars actually managed a faster Fastest Lap than the GTE cars in WEC, 2:18.751 vs 2:18.774 (WEC pole time was quicker than Blancpain pole time, which were surprisingly high compared to the fastest lap, usually the pole is much quicker than the fastest lap). Similarly last year the fastest laps on those tracks were less than 1 second apart. In 2012 GT3 cars were actually There are also some smaller series where the two go head to head, with slight balancing adjustments, so there's a real life precedent.


Remember that the in game cars are not this years spec.

Can anyone confirm the difference between a GTE and a GT3 car with out stating that one is faster in corners?
My understanding is that the FIA have more control over the BoP on GTE cars & there are a lot more restrictions. Where as GT3 is upgrade a standard road car to go as fast as you can without too many restrictions? Obvious much more to it but with out including too much detail?

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
07-09-2015, 13:21
Remember that the in game cars are not this years spec. No, but the devs did the same thing that real life organizations do with them: They adjusted to BoP to get them to be competitive. Many supposedly new cars in GT racing were actually built years ago, they just keep updating them and adjusting the BoP. This is essentially what the devs did, because without BoPping there is no GT racing. At least no GT3 racing.
Can anyone confirm the difference between a GTE and a GT3 car with out stating that one is faster in corners?
My understanding is that the FIA have more control over the BoP on GTE cars & there are a lot more restrictions. Where as GT3 is upgrade a standard road car to go as fast as you can without too many restrictions? Obvious much more to it but with out including too much detail?FIA has no control over GTE cars, they're owned by ACO. GT3 isn't exactly FIA either, the classification was created by the SRO Group, though SRO is FIA backed and these days FIA seems to handle the classification to a large extent at least.

GT2/GTE achieves parity (= all cars roughly the same pace) via a highly restrictive ruleset, they limit many things you can do to the cars, and it's up to the manufacturers to make their cars as fast as possible within those guidelines. Though they do a decent amount of BoPping these days via wavers they hand out allowing certain cars to work outside the rules to some extent.

GT3 is much more free, the manufacturers can do just a fast racing car and FIA/SRO will take care of the balancing after that.

The GT2/GTE approach is much more expensive, because the manufacturers are tightly limited in what they can do so improving performance is very difficult. They can't just increase power and throw more wings at it, they have to try and maximize the efficiency of every little thing. Quick searches on the internet would suggest that for example a GTE spec Porsche 911 GT3 RSR (GT3 name from the base car, not from the FIA classification) could cost around 800 000 €. These cars are more thoroughbred racing cars.

On the other side of things the GT3 approach is much easier, the manufacturers can just make the car more powerful, or lighter, or add wings, or something like that, and if it ends up too fast FIA/SRO will peg it down a bit. Efficiency isn't as much of a concern, so development is easier and cheaper. A Huracan GT3 costs only around 360-370 000 €, less than half of the GTE Porsche. They aren't as thoroughly built for racing as the GTE machinery is, but they're still far far far removed from any road going car.

Essentially GTE imposes the speed internally, the cars are built to go as fast as they go, whereas in GT3 the pace comes more externally via restrictions. Tight rules vs. aggressive BoPping. Unrestricted (take off the ballast weights and intake restrictors) the GT3 cars would monster the GTE machinery.

Akra
07-09-2015, 13:27
I'm not sure your price for a GTE car is correct there. The new Ferrari 488 GTE is expected to cost around €400,000. I don't see why the Porsche would be double that. It should also be said that many GT3 and GTE cars are developed together now. The 488 GT3 is reported to be almost identical to the GTE, so development costs aren't that linear either.

dannydizzal
07-09-2015, 13:29
All About the BTCC for me, 1999 Laguna? OMG.

T0MMY
07-09-2015, 13:30
Can be added to OP:

[Screenshot removed]



I just removed it from the post since the first post is getting a bit too long, there is a link "Additional screenshots" that will bring you to imgur which will have all the screenshots not listed at the first post there.

Now it is bold and red, should be quite hard to miss now :)

Jescott71
07-09-2015, 13:42
GTE cars are harder to drive. They have far less traction control and no ABS, unlike GT3 cars. And like Jussi said, GTE is a much more pure form of racing, there's much less Balance of Performance type stuff than there is in GT3.

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
07-09-2015, 13:49
I'm not sure your price for a GTE car is correct there. The new Ferrari 488 GTE is expected to cost around €400,000. I don't see why the Porsche would be double that. It should also be said that many GT3 and GTE cars are developed together now. The 488 GT3 is reported to be almost identical to the GTE, so development costs aren't that linear either.Yeah, they've started to equalize a bit, especially since the manufacturers are indeed starting to develop the two together (another reason why they really need to come up with a compromise and not run two almost identically quick classes, it's ridiculous), and the Porsche price may have been a bit higher than it ended up being (it was projected price at that point), but if the 488 GTE is really going to be that cheap then I'd be surprised. 4 year old 458 GT2's in 2013 spec are still going for over 300 000 on the used market, and the only references to the price of the 488 GTE I found said "upwards of 450 000 €" (http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/report-vettel-to-test-ferrari-488-gtb/), or more like 630 000€ (http://blog.axisofoversteer.com/2015/08/this-is-ferrari-488-gte-that-will-fight.html).

Akra
07-09-2015, 14:33
That says upwards of $450,000. Convert dollars to Euros and you get €400,000. That's around the same price as the others. To push it an extra €200,00, you'll be more than every other car.

Also remember that Ferrari officially support most of the teams (AF Corse is basically a works team) so an old car isn't that old really, since it's had works support. The exceptions are teams which run the Nurburgring 24/VLN as Ferrari will not support those cars. This isn't just a 4 year old car that hasn't had work done it.

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
07-09-2015, 14:39
That says upwards of $450,000. Convert dollars to Euros and you get €400,000. That's around the same price as the others. To push it an extra €200,00, you'll be more than every other car.Upwards also doesn't mean it'll cost that much, it means it should cost at least that much. I know that the cars do get updates, but I found a couple of comparisons between the prices of used and new chassis for GTE cars (Corvette C6.R and 458 GT2) and the differences in price between new and used were at least 100k, even if the cars were the same spec, and also found two for sale notices of 458 GT2's from last year, 420k$ a pop. I'm not saying that the 488 GTE won't be 400k€, but if it will then I'll be massively surprised, since it'd essentially be the same price/cheaper than a used GTE car.

QPRLad
07-09-2015, 15:03
Price Debate: http://radiolemans.0157.org/content/gte-versus-gt3

"It's a mess. As things are, we have two GT categories that are equally as quick but go about it in two completely different ways. In GTE, supposedly the pinnacle of GT racing, making a car quicker involves developing the minutiae within a defined set of regulations (ignoring waivers for the moment). If you want to go faster in GT3 you stick a bigger wing on the boot or widen the car by a foot. As a result, it is much cheaper because there isn't much as development time/money needed to improve the car. For example, the two 911s. The R (GT3-spec) costs 304,500 euro plus VAT, whereas the RSR (GTE) costs 498,000 euro plus VAT. Source: Porsche Motorsport website." Quote taken from the article.

Some good comments below this article but it seems the article is asking which one is better.

TheReaper GT
07-09-2015, 15:08
The real difference between the two classes is the real purpose of each. Gte is supposed to be more reliable for long endurance races. While gt3 are supposed to be fast in sprint races. I know both car classes race in both types of racing, but I think that was not the idea behind the different regulations.

dodge33cymru
07-09-2015, 15:44
The real difference between the two classes is the real purpose of each. Gte is supposed to be more reliable for long endurance races. While gt3 are supposed to be fast in sprint races. I know both car classes race in both types of racing, but I think that was not the idea behind the different regulations.

Originally perhaps, but that's almost certainly no longer the case. GT3s run potentially far more endurance races each year than GTEs these days and the majority of current cars are built with this in mind. Only really ones like the Cadillac, Callaway Corvettes and maybe the Reiter-built cars (Gallardo, Camaro) are focused for sprint racing, the others regularly participate in longer events.

TheReaper GT
07-09-2015, 15:46
Originally perhaps, but that's almost certainly no longer the case. GT3s run potentially far more endurance races each year than GTEs these days and the majority of current cars are built with this in mind. Only really ones like the Cadillac, Callaway Corvettes and maybe the Reiter-built cars (Gallardo, Camaro) are focused for sprint racing, the others regularly participate in longer events.

Yeah, I guess financial costs of gte cars push gt3 to action.

Cheesenium
07-09-2015, 16:11
Yeah, I guess financial costs of gte cars push gt3 to action.

The other reason is, you can literally bring a GT3 to anywhere in the world to race without needing a new car which made it attractive for teams. You could bring a GT3 to IMSA GTD, Blacpain or GT300, you still can use the same car after BoP. $500,000 for a race car, IMO, I really dont think it is that expensive compared to other motorsports.

In the mean time, a lot of more advanced features like carbon tubs or LMP1 level safety are rapidly being brought down to GT3s to make them safer to run with less risk on driver injuries. I remember the new R8 GT3 built on the same regulations on safety for LMP1. The new R8 GT3 is pretty much a new chassis with new aero and better safety designs, like you can remove the roof to remove the driver like an open wheel under a serious collision where medics suspect that the driver might experience spinal injury. Everything else, like engines are largely the same with LMS Ultra that is in the game.

So, at the end, you have GT3s that are cheaper to run, cheaper to buy, safer and it is pretty usable in many series in the world.

More importantly, who doesnt like race prepped super cars on the grid?

dodge33cymru
07-09-2015, 16:12
I think it's more that certain races allowed GT3 and have grown in prestige. Whilst not quite Le Mans, races like Bathurst 12 Hours, Spa 24 Hours and particularly the Nurburgring 24 Hours now carry a lot of prestige and are worth building cars for. That the market now includes the US and the big American enduros is even bigger reason for GT3s to have an endurance focus.

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
07-09-2015, 16:58
Originally perhaps, but that's almost certainly no longer the case. GT3s run potentially far more endurance races each year than GTEs these days and the majority of current cars are built with this in mind. Only really ones like the Cadillac, Callaway Corvettes and maybe the Reiter-built cars (Gallardo, Camaro) are focused for sprint racing, the others regularly participate in longer events.Indeed, off the top of my head I can name the Bathurst 12H, the Spa 24H, the whole 24H Series by Hankook (24h races on Silverstone, Barcelona, Dubai and Paul Ricard, 12h races on Brno, Mugello and Zandvoort), the 1000km Paul Ricard (or 1000km Nürburgring last year) which lasts roughly 6 hours, 24h of Nordschleife and the whole VLN series (several 4 and 6 hour races on Nordschleife) and the 24H of Nürburgring that run GT3 cars in endurance races. GTE I can think of 24H Le Mans, Petit Le Mans (10h), 12H Sebring, 24H Daytona, 6H Watkins Glen, the 7 6H races in WEC, the 5 4h races in the European Le Mans series and... Well there are probably some more, but can't remember any right now.

Point being that GT3 is by no means a sprint class these days, especially considering the number of participants in GT3 classes I'm pretty certain GTE does a lot less endurance racing overall in this day and age.

dodge33cymru
07-09-2015, 17:04
GTE I can think of 24H Le Mans, Petit Le Mans (10h), 12H Sebring, 24H Daytona, 6H Watkins Glen, the 7 6H races in WEC, the 5 4h races in the European Le Mans series

And let's not forget that GT3s are eligible too, in all of those bar Le Mans and the 6H WEC rounds.

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
07-09-2015, 17:05
The other reason is, you can literally bring a GT3 to anywhere in the world to race without needing a new car which made it attractive for teams. You could bring a GT3 to IMSA GTD, Blacpain or GT300, you still can use the same car after BoP. $500,000 for a race car, IMO, I really dont think it is that expensive compared to other motorsports.Yeah, and the Pirelli World Challenge, the British, Britcar, Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Australian GT Championship, as well as the ADAC GT Masters, and probably a shit ton of others as well. =)

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
07-09-2015, 17:09
And let's not forget that GT3s are eligible too, in all of those bar Le Mans and the 6H WEC rounds.Ah yes, with more restriction than they'd run normally, but they do indeed allow them in the GTD class. =)

So yeah, really wish they'd just come up with a single class and stop all this nonsense.

dodge33cymru
07-09-2015, 17:17
Ah yes, with more restriction than they'd run normally, but they do indeed allow them in the GTD class. =)

So yeah, really wish they'd just come up with a single class and stop all this nonsense.

You and me both. There were originally plans to do that, but they got dropped despite chassis regulation being agreed. Frustratingly, the main reason the manufacturers couldn't agree was the method of engine BoPing (restrictor type).

Next year's GTEs will potentially be a few seconds faster than the current era though, so there may be more of a difference speed-wise, although looks-wise, with more shared chassis on the horizon and GTE now allowing bigger aero, they will probably converge even closer.

Seems most of the manufacturers supported convergence too, just a few opted against it (I'm looking at GM in particular).

Cheesenium
07-09-2015, 17:23
Yeah, and the Pirelli World Challenge, the British, Britcar, Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Australian GT Championship, as well as the ADAC GT Masters, and probably a shit ton of others as well. =)

There is even a GT3 series in Thailand called Thailand Super Series (http://www.thailandsuperseries.net/driver.php) that uses older generation of GT3 on single grid like having F430 GT3 with newer ones like Camaro GT3.

They had changed the series this year. Now, they had upgraded the GT3 such to newer GT3s such as Porsche 911, Camaro GT3, Audi R8 LMS, 458 Challenge and Gallardo GT3.

Looking at the results, they do have a GTC and GTM(GT4-like) class that race with GT3.

This series looks pretty interesting from the pictures.

http://s5.boxzaracing.com/news/03/7w/1427084006.jpg

http://p3.isanook.com/au/0/rp/r/w620/ya0xacm1w0/aHR0cDovL3AzLmlzYW5vb2suY29tL2F1LzAvdWkvMy8xNTUxNy8yMDBfMTQzMTMxNzQ5NS5qcGc=.jpg

http://p4.isanook.com/au/0/ud/3/15521/101.jpg

http://p3.isanook.com/au/0/rp/r/w620/ya0xacm1w0/aHR0cDovL3AzLmlzYW5vb2suY29tL2F1LzAvdWkvMy8xNTUxNy8yMTJfMTQzMTMxNzUxNC5qcGc=.jpg

EDITTED MULTIPLE TIMES: I am sorry if I had cause some confusion. It is very much a multiclass race with GT3s and GT4 along with a mixed car from various single car series.

Nevertheless, Thai Super Series has always been the more unique one like Japan's GT300 to me.

I just like to show that GT3s are literally everywhere in the world.

balderz002
07-09-2015, 17:26
For aslong as we have different interests being served, in the form of multiple organizations (like the FIA and all the others) self preservation comes into effect.

snipeme77
07-09-2015, 17:26
So what happened to the Red Bull pack that was suppose to come before this Aston pack?

amazed
07-09-2015, 17:32
The *leaked* list was never confirmed as "official" or set in stone......

hotak
07-09-2015, 17:53
There is even a GT3 series in Thailand called Thailand Super Series (http://www.thailandsuperseries.net/driver.php) that uses older generation of GT3 on single grid like having F430 GT3 with newer ones like Camaro GT3.

They had changed the series this year. Now, they had upgraded the GT3 such to newer GT3s such as Porsche 911, Camaro GT3, Audi R8 LMS, 458 Challenge and Gallardo GT3.

Looking at the results, they do have a GTC and GTM class that race with GT3.

This series looks pretty interesting from the pictures.

http://s5.boxzaracing.com/news/03/7w/1427084006.jpg

http://p3.isanook.com/au/0/rp/r/w620/ya0xacm1w0/aHR0cDovL3AzLmlzYW5vb2suY29tL2F1LzAvdWkvMy8xNTUxNy8yMDBfMTQzMTMxNzQ5NS5qcGc=.jpg

http://p4.isanook.com/au/0/ud/3/15521/101.jpg

http://p3.isanook.com/au/0/rp/r/w620/ya0xacm1w0/aHR0cDovL3AzLmlzYW5vb2suY29tL2F1LzAvdWkvMy8xNTUxNy8yMTJfMTQzMTMxNzUxNC5qcGc=.jpg

Seems like a nice series, would like to have something like that in pCars

Cheesenium
07-09-2015, 17:54
Seems like a nice series, would like to have something like that in pCars

I cant read Thai so my original post was a mistake.

It is pretty much a multiclass race with GT3s and GT4s on the same grid. And a mixed car racing with cars from 997 cup, R8 cup and Ferrari challenge. I wont deny that it was an interesting multiclass racing setup.

I am still a bit curious who made those Japanese tuners as they are competing with 997 cup.

It is quite hard to read the standings when all they wrote was the car number without car makes.

Sasquatch
07-09-2015, 19:24
So what happened to the Red Bull pack that was suppose to come before this Aston pack?
Like amazed said, it was never set in stone. Infact i'm pretty sure one of the SMS guys posted that the Season Pass pack content leak could be mixed or packs dumped. Maybe that Red Bull pack was dumped and exchanged for something else. They have been teasing the IndyCars models on their Instagram. (Please, I very much look forward to those Dallara's.)

But I kind of doubt that with SMS' Red Bull Air-Race game.

Without a doubt, I like surprises more than a predicted schedule. Makes things fun and interesting.

Yawism
07-09-2015, 20:01
This is fantastic work from SMS! I'm just hoping that they'll put the M3 GT and the Vantage V8 in their own GT2/GTE class and have it in the endurance career series with other GT3 cars. IMO i think the GT4 cars are too slow for multiclass racing with the LMPs (The AI frequently get stuck behind them).

MillsLayne
07-09-2015, 22:43
http://p3.isanook.com/au/0/rp/r/w620/ya0xacm1w0/aHR0cDovL3AzLmlzYW5vb2suY29tL2F1LzAvdWkvMy8xNTUxNy8yMDBfMTQzMTMxNzQ5NS5qcGc=.jpg

http://p4.isanook.com/au/0/ud/3/15521/101.jpg

What make is that green car? Looks like a V8 Supercar.

Plage
07-09-2015, 22:54
Looks like a Holden V8 Supercar.

FS7
07-09-2015, 22:59
https://igcdn-photos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t51.2885-15/e35/11821844_1479391642388440_1882534961_n.jpg

Pappa_Stig
08-09-2015, 00:07
What make is that green car? Looks like a V8 Supercar.

That is indeed a Holden VE Commodore V8 Supercar. The model which was replaced by the current one.

3800racingfool
08-09-2015, 01:24
This is fantastic work from SMS! I'm just hoping that they'll put the M3 GT and the Vantage V8 in their own GT2/GTE class and have it in the endurance career series with other GT3 cars. IMO i think the GT4 cars are too slow for multiclass racing with the LMPs (The AI frequently get stuck behind them).

Indeed. I think if they could put those two in their own class along with one or two other GTEs they could then revamp the Le Mans race to have proper LMP1, 2 and GTE Pro/Am categories which would be awesome.

#fingerscrossed

TheReaper GT
08-09-2015, 02:15
Indeed. I think if they could put those two in their own class along with one or two other GTEs they could then revamp the Le Mans race to have proper LMP1, 2 and GTE Pro/Am categories which would be awesome.

#fingerscrossed

I smell a Corvette C7.R request Hahaha. That would be awesome.

Paulpg87
08-09-2015, 08:54
Nice, hope new cars are properly implemented in the career mode with dedicated invitational events (i like to be forced using them) and with contracts when possible.

MillsLayne
08-09-2015, 08:57
So, with how often we've been seeing SMS tease the new Aston Martin GTE on Instagram, I'm guessing new DLC in the next week or so?

T0MMY
08-09-2015, 09:42
So, with how often we've been seeing SMS tease the new Aston Martin GTE on Instagram, I'm guessing new DLC in the next week or so?

They started teasing a week ago but I think we can expect them to come by the end of the month, like every DLC so far.

Cheesenium
08-09-2015, 09:43
So, with how often we've been seeing SMS tease the new Aston Martin GTE on Instagram, I'm guessing new DLC in the next week or so?

There is still another car, which is the Aston Lola's LMP1 that they havent tease yet.

QPRLad
08-09-2015, 09:51
There is still another car, which is the Aston Lola's LMP1 that they havent tease yet.

OMG OMG! saw that car at Le Mans back in 2009 & again this year during the AMR Festival Race! It was unbelievable.

danowat
08-09-2015, 09:58
Judging by a couple of videos I've seen on YouTube........

Are all assets for future DLC in the game now post 3.0 patch?, meaning we don't have to await a patch to allow them to release any new DLC?

Sankyo
08-09-2015, 10:18
Judging by a couple of videos I've seen on YouTube........

Are all assets for future DLC in the game now post 3.0 patch?, meaning we don't have to await a patch to allow them to release any new DLC?
Very likely not. There might be some bits and pieces, but no fully finished content.

danowat
08-09-2015, 10:39
Very likely not. There might be some bits and pieces, but no fully finished content.

So we are still likely to need a patch to enable DLC to release?

T0MMY
08-09-2015, 10:48
So we are still likely to need a patch to enable DLC to release?

Yep, if the September DLC is in game now we should see a bunch of videos about them on YouTube now.

danowat
08-09-2015, 11:00
Yep, if the September DLC is in game now we should see a bunch of videos about them on YouTube now.

There are, there are videos showing the Astons and the Toyotas

I would post a link, but I got told off last time.

Edit, infact the video shows....

List removed...

Dmitry Afanasyev
08-09-2015, 11:12
Edit, infact the video shows....
I think the reason why SMS asked you to remove the video is because this list shouldn't be mentioned in any way

x ImJakeyy
08-09-2015, 11:14
So we are still likely to need a patch to enable DLC to release?

From what I have seen in PC files, all that is there is, GUI files for menus, and the Motec displays for some cars, but I've not even seen any of this packs there.

The actual cars and track(s) will be added in the patch just before the DLC on PC

T0MMY
08-09-2015, 11:57
There are, there are videos showing the Astons and the Toyotas

I would post a link, but I got told off last time.

Edit, infact the video shows....

List removed...

Like what others has mention, those are just GUI files and please try to keep this thread on confirmed contents that are known through old announcement or from SMS official social sites.

3800racingfool
08-09-2015, 13:31
I smell a Corvette C7.R request Hahaha. That would be awesome.

Me? Request a Corvette in the game? Neveeerrrrr. :rolleyes:

marcelo carbon
08-09-2015, 23:15
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c172fccc
08-09-2015, 23:16
That's not a DLC, that's a mod.

Rob Prange
08-09-2015, 23:33
Removed the images to avoid further confusion.

NemethR
09-09-2015, 06:40
Imho. this do not post things that show what is in the game files from youtube, is a bit silly.

That is information available to all. You CAN watch those youtube videos on youtube, its not secret or something. Its not even hidden.
Who cares just a little bit does a search and finds them.
So saying do not post it here just has no effect, people search, and find them. Its just that they need to go to youtube...

Now if SMS would NOT want these infos leaked, they would not have placed those cars into the game already.
IF they did, and can be easily put into the actual game (and it is really easy), then I don't see the reason behind this: "Ohh, lets hide that..." thing.

Again if SMS would NOT want them leaked, they would not have placed them in the game yet. - As there is no reason for them to do so.

TheReaper GT
09-09-2015, 06:55
I think the problem is the misinterpretation by people that don't know about those hacks. And the hacks are not OK anyway.

NemethR
09-09-2015, 07:05
I think the problem is the misinterpretation by people that don't know about those hacks. And the hacks are not OK anyway.

But they are not hacks.
Well, depends.
If I use something in Windows, that is there, BUT you did not know, is it hacking?! I don't think so.
Same with PCars, it is not hacking the game, its just using what the game has already, without altering any cars in game/tracks/physics, etc.

Its not like if I would add 800HP to a car. <-- that would be hacking.

It is there, it is just hidden. Windows had hidden folders, and files too, but altering them is not hacking.
You have them, I have them, everyone has them. Its just "your" lack of knowledge how to use them.

yusupov
09-09-2015, 07:07
um thats a textbook example of a hack lol

NemethR
09-09-2015, 07:11
um thats a textbook example of a hack lol

"A hacker is someone who seeks and exploits weaknesses in a computer system or computer network."
-- wikipedia.

No such thing is done here.
A Hack would be if I increase the grip of my car, to gain an advantage.
Or if I would get onto your personal data while we are connected in game :D

yusupov
09-09-2015, 07:20
800 fantasy BHP is an advantage that is exploiting a weakness in the system. project cars does not allow you to add horsepower whenever you want. thats literally a hack...changing tire grip is the same thing so idk why this is a debate...

NemethR
09-09-2015, 07:25
800 fantasy BHP is an advantage that is exploiting a weakness in the system. project cars does not allow you to add horsepower whenever you want. thats literally a hack...changing tire grip is the same thing so idk why this is a debate...

Ohh, sorry, my bad, now I see what you mean.
I just messed it up during typing, replaced that part, to be better understandable. :)

T0MMY
09-09-2015, 08:21
"A hacker is someone who seeks and exploits weaknesses in a computer system or computer network."
-- wikipedia.

No such thing is done here.
A Hack would be if I increase the grip of my car, to gain an advantage.
Or if I would get onto your personal data while we are connected in game :D

Yea, opening the game files and digging through to find information is not exactly a hack but having a whole bunch of of upcoming content leak out is not something SMS would like to see and it kills off the hype when the new content comes too. The whole thing of not talking about it and not posting it is just as a respect to SMS, there are plenty of forums as well discussing it.

This one of the reason why I created this thread just to collect information on upcoming content that is officially announced.

NemethR
09-09-2015, 09:32
The whole thing of not talking about it and not posting it is just as a respect to SMS, there are plenty of forums as well discussing it.

This I can totally agree with, on the other hand if I as a company would want to make sure, that people don't talk about it, I would not place "hints" into the game files, especially if they can be explored very easily :)

Cheesenium
09-09-2015, 09:53
This I can totally agree with, on the other hand if I as a company would want to make sure, that people don't talk about it, I would not place "hints" into the game files, especially if they can be explored very easily :)

When you are working on a game, it is hard to eliminate all the files for future content as taking a content out isn't as easy as deleting a folder. Various files needed to make these future content work are spread out through out the game

At the same time, I think the reason that future content is patched in because they want to save time from certification process.

Akra
09-09-2015, 09:57
And let's not forget that GT3s are eligible too, in all of those bar Le Mans and the 6H WEC rounds.

Technically GT3s are not currently allowed in the IMSA GTD class. They're only let in with approval from IMSA. Next year IMSA is looking at a proper GT3 rule set but also requires IMSA partnership, which means they still have to approve cars, which is a sticking point for some cars. Aston Martin aren;t overly happy at having to pay to be allowed to have cars in it, even if its private entries.

T0MMY
09-09-2015, 11:03
This I can totally agree with, on the other hand if I as a company would want to make sure, that people don't talk about it, I would not place "hints" into the game files, especially if they can be explored very easily :)

Sometimes it is just content left from dev beta testing for upcoming content but if you tried digging the files this time, SMS didn't leave much clues in it. Unlike the Old vs New pack where people manage to dig out content of the DLC and the free car, bits of the 3 cars shown so far was found last month too but no one know whether is it the next pack or not.

I would suggest keeping the leaks somewhere else, this is SMS forum and they won't like that. Also lets back to the topic.

Angst1974
09-09-2015, 12:11
"A hacker is someone who seeks and exploits weaknesses in a computer system or computer network."
-- wikipedia.

No such thing is done here.
A Hack would be if I increase the grip of my car, to gain an advantage.
Or if I would get onto your personal data while we are connected in game :D

Or exposing information that the developer (licensor) wishes to keep confidential , which is what is being done, and is hacking , no matter how poorly obfuscated SMS has left it .

... For example it's still illegal to steal the car, even if SMS left it on the streets of south central Los Angelas with the windows open and keys on the seat.

Raven403
09-09-2015, 12:22
I'm pretty sure they will be class in GT3 but GTE is car generally faster in corners and the Vantage GTE runs a V8 while the GT3 has a V12, it won't be the exact same car.

New screenshot of the GTE is released:

http://i.imgur.com/dezdrS3.png

I get this has probably been said but

GTE isnt GT3 and that means the DLC aston is gonna be in a class by itself. Or it will be GT3 spec, where there is ALREADY a car that is almost exactly the same. This isnt that exciting to me. NEW cars to fill out some of the classes would be more exciting, For me anyway.

T0MMY
09-09-2015, 12:41
We have a classic Mercedes and Aston Martin coming as well, 1 car being a bit boring isn't too bad anyway. The DLC track looks fun too.

Raven403
09-09-2015, 13:14
We have a classic Mercedes and Aston Martin coming as well, 1 car being a bit boring isn't too bad anyway. The DLC track looks fun too.

Well this is all speculation anyway right?

Personally I'd like to see a NEW track like RedBull Ring instead of a Historic version of one we already have, but either way. It seems the C7R is a distant dream if a possibility at all but, hopefully GT1 gets some cars to compete and maybe fill out some of these other classes.

Also can we get some Scca style numbered liveries for the 2+2. I think that would be great to hammer around with other classic tourers

TheReaper GT
09-09-2015, 13:33
I get this has probably been said but

GTE isnt GT3 and that means the DLC aston is gonna be in a class by itself. Or it will be GT3 spec, where there is ALREADY a car that is almost exactly the same. This isnt that exciting to me. NEW cars to fill out some of the classes would be more exciting, For me anyway.

But the engine placement alone makes the car a whole different beast. The v8 vantage gt4 is a road car adapted to track, the v12 vantage gt3 is a race car but the engine is so big that it is almost in the same spot as in the road version. In the v8 gte the engine being smaller, is placed far back and lower in the engine bay. Optimizing the car's center of gravity and making room for aero ducts in the front.

Sankyo
09-09-2015, 13:43
But they are not hacks.
Well, depends.
If I use something in Windows, that is there, BUT you did not know, is it hacking?! I don't think so.
Same with PCars, it is not hacking the game, its just using what the game has already, without altering any cars in game/tracks/physics, etc.
...

It is there, it is just hidden.
It's not 'hidden'. It is not available to the user because it has been encrypted, and it is not available in the game anywhere. Any normal user will not ever run into this by accident, you have to deliberately alter the game's files by unencrypting/unpacking them and modifying files so the content becomes available in the game. That is hacking.

Cheesenium
09-09-2015, 14:13
I get this has probably been said but

GTE isnt GT3 and that means the DLC aston is gonna be in a class by itself. Or it will be GT3 spec, where there is ALREADY a car that is almost exactly the same. This isnt that exciting to me. NEW cars to fill out some of the classes would be more exciting, For me anyway.

If GTE isnt "supposed" to be in GT3, then, why is M3 GT is in GT3 where essentially it is a car made in the pre-GTE days?

I do not mind seeing having a new GT2 class to accommodate these more endurance focused cars but the question is, will SMS do that? Will people whine again because GT3 got less cars and end up with another 2 cars class?

However, I think it would be better if GT2 and GTE moved to a separate class but if there arent any more vehicles to expand that class, I am not sure whether will it be a good idea. I really do not mind seeing a RT12 Ruf that is made into a GT2, like what R3E and iRacing had. I would like to have a flat 6 Porsche-look-alike in this game

GTE and GT3 Vantage is a fairly different car, both are made under different regulations, different engine size and different aerodynamics which at the end, GTE will drive differently from GT3.

NemethR
09-09-2015, 14:13
It's not 'hidden'. It is not available to the user because it has been encrypted, and it is not available in the game anywhere. Any normal user will not ever run into this by accident, you have to deliberately alter the game's files by unencrypting/unpacking them and modifying files so the content becomes available in the game. That is hacking.

I have to disagree Remco,

If I edit a zipped XLS document, I am Hacking it?!

It is encrypted, and not accessible by anyone without a proper software to open/read it. Any normal user, will never see the file, nor can he open it without a proper editor. I have to deliberately open the ZIP file with a special program to open such files, I need to extract that file, then open MS Excel (a propgram not available to all), and I need to modify it, if I want my changes to be visible.

I don't think that is hacking. And its just as easy to open/edit the game files.
All you need is the apropriate extractor, that is publicly available, and then edit text files.

Hacking would be maybe if the files would be password protected, and I would brute-force the password.

No disrespect, its just another view :)
Not that it makes any difference, but I see it in another way.

cluck
09-09-2015, 14:40
Did somebody say Aston Martin GTE?

217746


(I'm available for modelling if anybody wants to pay me £1000 per shot :D)

(This was on the official Project CARS Twitter feed by the way, in case anybody is wondering)

Sankyo
09-09-2015, 14:54
I have to disagree Remco,

If I edit a zipped XLS document, I am Hacking it?!

It is encrypted, and not accessible by anyone without a proper software to open/read it. Any normal user, will never see the file, nor can he open it without a proper editor. I have to deliberately open the ZIP file with a special program to open such files, I need to extract that file, then open MS Excel (a propgram not available to all), and I need to modify it, if I want my changes to be visible.

I don't think that is hacking. And its just as easy to open/edit the game files.
All you need is the apropriate extractor, that is publicly available, and then edit text files.

Hacking would be maybe if the files would be password protected, and I would brute-force the password.

No disrespect, its just another view :)
Not that it makes any difference, but I see it in another way.

If the zip file were password-protected, it would be hacking because obviously people wouldn't want you to get the Excel sheet. A plain zip file would only be for saving storage space. The game's files are encrypted/packed because obviously the devs don't want people to mess with the files. It's their property.
Furthermore, in order to get to the contents of the Excel file the only way would be to unzip it and load it in Excel. That's the intended way. In order to get to the packed contents of the game, you'll have to play the game, not unpack the files, and then you'll get what the devs intended you to get.

By your reasoning, a locked bike can be taken away by anyone who wants to because it only takes a good bolt cutter to get rid of the lock, and it won't be stealing :)

snipeme77
09-09-2015, 15:05
Do a barrel roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Andjem
09-09-2015, 15:06
speaking as a devils advocate there is no hacking needed to open the relevant folder in windows explorer and view the gui files which reference several upcoming and unannounced cars. :)

TheReaper GT
09-09-2015, 15:08
speaking as a devils advocate there is no hacking needed to open the relevant folder in windows explorer and view the gui files which reference several upcoming and unannounced cars. :)

But it's needed to show the cars on game menu

Andjem
09-09-2015, 15:10
But it's needed to show the cars on game menu

Agreed. That is definitely not cricket.

crowtrobot
09-09-2015, 15:11
@Remco:

Respectfully disagree. The .bffs are installed on our computer, as part of a product we paid for. I'd say it's our prerogative whether we want to open/manipulate/"hack" the files that are part of what we paid for. That comes into question in the case of modifying the physics to gain advantage online, as that's affecting someone else's enjoyment of the game, but as far as unpacking the .bffs for personal edification, that's fair game IMHO.

Also, if I remember correctly, you were quite involved at NoGrip when NFS:Shift was being unpacked so that the console DLCs & mods could be added to the PC Version of the game (http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=166542). Why is it different now?

snipeme77
09-09-2015, 15:18
I do not mind seeing having a new GT2 class to accommodate these more endurance focused cars but the question is, will SMS do that? Will people whine again because GT3 got less cars and end up with another 2 cars class?



Personally I would be the one to complain, I like these GTE and GT2 cars coming into GT3. It just shows how some people (And series) like to build their cars. Some focus on downforce while other hammer on power... YET the cars are close, and fun to drive together.

That being said, in Project Cars 2 I wouldn't mind seeing a GT2/GTE class as hopefully they'll have more cars for the class.
Same can be said for Group C, DTM, Nascar, V8 supercars... So on

T0MMY
09-09-2015, 15:18
There are bit too much talk about "hacking" game files in the thread, now lets get back on topic with the first screenshot of the 2009 Aston Martin DBR1-2:

217755

Raven403
09-09-2015, 15:22
If GTE isnt "supposed" to be in GT3, then, why is M3 GT is in GT3 where essentially it is a car made in the pre-GTE days?

I do not mind seeing having a new GT2 class to accommodate these more endurance focused cars but the question is, will SMS do that? Will people whine again because GT3 got less cars and end up with another 2 cars class?

However, I think it would be better if GT2 and GTE moved to a separate class but if there arent any more vehicles to expand that class, I am not sure whether will it be a good idea. I really do not mind seeing a RT12 Ruf that is made into a GT2, like what R3E and iRacing had. I would like to have a flat 6 Porsche-look-alike in this game

GTE and GT3 Vantage is a fairly different car, both are made under different regulations, different engine size and different aerodynamics which at the end, GTE will drive differently from GT3.

Oh no I understand the differences believe me, I see GT3 in Pcars as sort of being the one GT umbrella but then they have GT1 cars, and the GTx cars which arent evenly matched and each of those classes consist of just 2 cars. GT3 has an entire field of entries, and if this GTE spec Aston comes in its one more in the field. On top of that its "NEW but not NEW" for me, yes its a different car, but it looks pretty much the same as the GT3 Aston we already have, so it doesnt get me goin like a whole new Make/Model GT car, like a Nismo GTR or C7R/C6R would, thats all I mean. Hey more cars the better, I was just offering my opinion, I see alot of people are excited for it regardless so thats good.

Now the LOLA Aston, thats a nice entry.

I think for me what would be most exciting as I said before is filling out the existing classes, like GT1, GTx, Touring, LMP2 those kinds of things. GT3 has a good share of cars in the field already.

Mahjik
09-09-2015, 15:24
Why is it different now?

Because he's the moderator of a forum owned by SMS, and SMS have requested that information which was shipped in a protected manner not be posted on their own forum. How is it hard to understand and/or comply with SMS's wishes on their own forum? There are plenty of non-SMS forums (like NoGrip) where such conversations can be had, but it's SMS's desires for that NOT to be on their own forum.

crowtrobot
09-09-2015, 15:30
Because he's the moderator of a forum owned by SMS, and SMS have requested that information which was shipped in a protected manner not be posted on their own forum. How is it hard to understand and/or comply with SMS's wishes on their own forum? There are plenty of non-SMS forums (like NoGrip) where such conversations can be had, but it's SMS's desires for that NOT to be on their own forum.
Agree Mahjik, that wasn't my point. It's their house, they can certainly lay the rules down about what we can or can't talk/post about here, I have no problem there. Was just pointing out how unpacking .bff files is suddenly disreputable hacking for this game, but not another.

As Tommy said though, getting too OT. That LMP looks sweet, looking forward to the next DLC pack.

Raven403
09-09-2015, 15:30
Because he's the moderator of a forum owned by SMS, and SMS have requested that information which was shipped in a protected manner not be posted on their own forum. How is it hard to understand and/or comply with SMS's wishes on their own forum? There are plenty of non-SMS forums (like NoGrip) where such conversations can be had, but it's SMS's desires for that NOT to be on their own forum.

I just want to ask, and seriously not to be a smart ass. But isnt that a bit backwards? Wouldnt you WANT people sharing that kind of stuff on your OWN forum where you know people are positive towards it instead of uncontrolled elsewhere on the internet?

Schnizz58
09-09-2015, 15:34
I just wish it would have those glorious anti-vulture struts. Lets hope there are no big birds in the DLC that could crash into your windscreen...
Looks like something Hannibal Lechter would drive. :)

snipeme77
09-09-2015, 15:37
I have a question about the DLC. (I know shocker)
Why isn't the fourth Aston in this pack as well, the hard top racer? (DB212)

Jussi Viljami Karjalainen
09-09-2015, 15:37
@Remco:

Respectfully disagree. The .bffs are installed on our computer, as part of a product we paid for. I'd say it's our prerogative whether we want to open/manipulate/"hack" the files that are part of what we paid for.These days you can't "buy a game" or "own a game" to a very large extent. What you essentially have is a "license to use a game", which doesn't give you the authority to go open up encrypted files, or extract 3D models, etc.

Not saying that as a personal opinion as such, since I do like modding and looking into stuff like this, but the legal position is shaky.