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Pamellaaa
08-09-2015, 21:44
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Welcome to the [TGC-G40]. A short league started exclusively for members of The Gentlemen’s Club and [TGC-PNC] drivers. This league is designed to offer a more competitive environment than ad hoc races and introduces an element of teamwork and tactics into the racing. The theme for this season will be a British Touring Car Championship support series and as such we will be racing at British race tracks that appear on the BTCC Calendar.

The [TGC-G40] season is contested over 5 event nights. All 5 events are double headers, providing 10 races throughout the season, with all races counting towards the final championship positions. At the start of each night there will be a 15 minute qualifying session which will determine the grid order for race 1, the grid order for race 2 will be determined by the finishing order from race 1. Both races will be 20mins in length with a short break between.

We shall include a pre-season warm up race at the beginning of the season which does not count towards the championship.

The below video gives you an impression of what we have in store for the next few weeks.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LKNIQKG5AQ&feature=youtu.be






The ‘TGC’ leagues are based around bringing together like minded drivers whose values set them apart from those you may come across elsewhere.

• Typically our drivers are mellow, relaxed, considerate and thoughtful drivers.
• You are guaranteed a race where everybody can enjoy racing without the fear of being needlessly wrecked.
• Our members drive according to official FIA rules/regulations and common sense.
• No matter if you are alien fast or on the slower side of the scale, we appreciate the participation of all our drivers and you will find people in TGC that match your own abilities.
• Our members will always help each other out when needed and will freely provide guidance and setup assistance.
• Each Team consists of two drivers. If you do not have a friend at the current time who wishes to sign up with you then do not worry there are always others in the same boat and we shall do our best to find you a suitable team mate. It is also possible to have a Team of one.
• Races for this league will be held every Wednesday.
• You don't have to do every race, even if you just can make two or three races of the season, we would be glad to have you on board.
• If you have questions feel free to post in this thread.

So there you have it. Contrary to popular belief you do not need to be an Alien or Veteran to enjoy racing in any of the TGC series. All you need to have is the correct mind-set for a fair race and respect for your fellow driver. Even if you have never tried multiplayer online racing before you are more than welcome.

Pamellaaa
08-09-2015, 21:44
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You must be a TGC member at either Gentleman or PNC status to register for this league

Signing up for this league is a very simple procedure. Below is a link to the current team’s List where you can see which teams have already registered and the livery they have chosen.

You will notice that all teams must use the same team livery although at times there are two liveries that are matched to choose from in the selection.

Please click on the link below to see drivers who have already registered..


http://i.imgur.com/yVAP2q4.png (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JhLFJI0DJhfWZwZyJwHdqPUIECaa89e51GpTHNtoO4o/edit?usp=sharing)



Whilst registering you will be asked to select a team livery. The following is a list of available liveries and I shall attempt to remove liveries asap from this list when they have been taken but be aware that this may not always be 100% up to date, this will be done on a first come first served basis. Please note that custom liveries are not allowed.





Currently signed up drivers without teammates:

Yeratel84
mcarver2000
Quelus (Delilah)
Harabla
James D





Spikegrw (relief)
Elmo (relief)
Nevil Wigbels (relief)
Iceman07 (relief)




Now all you have to do is click on the following link and it will load up an easy to follow form. The majority of questions are option buttons or drop down selection menus so it does not take very long at all to register.

If you already have a driver you would like to race with only one of you will need to complete the form. Otherwise please sign up as an individual and every effort will be made to pair you up with a suitable driving partner before the season starts, please be aware that this may mean that not everyone gets to drive with their first choice livery.



http://i.imgur.com/kL05WOW.png (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1BnWqp6YH2KZPhk5bai8F4oLAXDQ1dKCidulWRJkGKQM/viewform?usp=send_form)



There is also provision made for relief drivers within the form. A relief driver will stand in for an absent driver and score points for the Team. However they maintain there own driver points.

Pamellaaa
08-09-2015, 21:44
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[TGC-G40] Ginetta G40 Challenge Season 1 Calendar:

16/09/2015 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150916T19&p0=%3A&msg=Pre+Season+Test&font=slab&csz=1) Brands Hatch Indy - Pre-Season Race - Done


23/09/2015 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150923T19&p0=%3A&msg=Race+1+-+Donington+Park+GP+&font=slab&swk=1) Donington Park GP - 1+12 Laps per race
in-game date 23/09/2015
Race 1: 11:00
Conditions: Hazy
Race 2: 14:00
Conditions: Light Cloud

30/09/2015 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150930T19&p0=%3A&msg=Race+2+-+Oulton+Park+International&font=slab&swk=1) Oulton Park International Circuit - 1+11 Laps per race
in-game date 30/09/2015
Race 1: 11:00
Conditions: Overcast
Race 2: 14:00
Conditions: Light Rain

07/10/2015 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20151007T19&p0=%3A&msg=Race+3+-+Snetterton+300&font=slab&swk=1) Snetterton 300 - 1+9 Laps per race
in-game date 07/10/2015
Race 1: 11:00
Conditions: Medium Cloud
Race 2: 14:00
Conditions: Light Cloud

14/10/2015 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20151014T19&p0=%3A&msg=Race+4+-+Snetterton+300&font=slab&swk=1) Silverstone National - 1+18 Laps per race
in-game date 14/10/2015
Race 1: 11:00
Conditions: Rain
Race 2: 14:00
Conditions: Overcast

21/10/2015 (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20151021T19&p0=%3A&msg=Race+5+-+Brands+Hatch+GP&font=slab&swk=1) Brands Hatch GP - 1+14 Laps per race
in-game date 21/10/2015
Race 1: 17:00
Conditions: Light Cloud
Race 2: 21:00
Conditions: Clear


Qualification starts at 19:00 UTC, we start on time, no exceptions, don’t be late! Practice sessions will be open earlier in the day for those wishing to train together.

Pamellaaa
08-09-2015, 21:45
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Please see at the below link a full list of drivers who have signed up to compete in this series.

http://i.imgur.com/yVAP2q4.png (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JhLFJI0DJhfWZwZyJwHdqPUIECaa89e51GpTHNtoO4o/edit#gid=2135465061)

Below you can see an image of each livery already chosen by a team, please note that this list will be updated regularly but the most up to date information will always be in the link provided above.



http://i.imgur.com/zFVEiga.png

Thunder Buddies


Vane #54


Pamellaaa
FlyingKman




http://i.imgur.com/h174xeU.png
Mad Max Motorsports


Machuca #18


t0daY
Photonenbert


http://i.imgur.com/O6inqCO.png
PzR


Kortex Sport #34


Tricky
PzR Slim


http://i.imgur.com/L8zb2OZ.png
Confection Connection


Vollmer #58


Battenberg
Alex "Hobnob" Hobbs


http://i.imgur.com/Wmk3l1t.png
Team Oachkatzlschwoaf Racing



Karsten #2


DrKabel
XiondrapoS


http://i.imgur.com/kV0WkDV.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/WJDYieI.png





Cutting Edge Motorsport


Apex #14 & 15


Miagi
Falcon


http://i.imgur.com/Oi5wbkE.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/uxicRBB.png





TwistedNator


Convex #10 & 11


TimmyNator #10
TwistedNav #11



http://i.imgur.com/t4pUKTw.png
BridgeStoners


Outback #31


Will Fly
Melbonkers



http://i.imgur.com/1yxnDdq.png
Convict Colony Racing


Hunt Club #72


SillySausage
x ImJakeyy



http://i.imgur.com/gzji6Cz.png
BadBoys Racing


No Regret #24


Gopher04
Cluck


http://i.imgur.com/Ftlmh3a.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/8kb4BNJ.png




Riff-Raff Racing Team


Shalstone #28 & #29


ZiggyUK
MikeyTT
Nick Claydon



http://i.imgur.com/j4pd6PY.png
Fast Turtle Motorsport


Ginetta #80


NemethR
Checamon


http://i.imgur.com/USSQ6jq.png
SCAR


Curleys #19


Alex Salmon
BumperCarrotNL


http://i.imgur.com/TvnIca5.png
Puffy V-tec Racing Team


Rimaa #44


PuffPirat
Gio_Vtec


http://i.imgur.com/J0Uq1oD.png
S.O.L Racing


Kmax #36


Stevie_F
AlexOki


http://i.imgur.com/AJZsxTC.png
Rage Don't Quit Racing


Imochi #16


Marek Haase
Love Story


http://i.imgur.com/qM5dFQj.png
http://i.imgur.com/IyHSc6M.png
Midland Motorsport


Bielik Racing #12 & #13


Neil Bateman
Hellbringer


http://i.imgur.com/NB62pqm.png
Strike Team


Borda #50


Stinger_LP
Mark Baggaley






It has become apparent that we are going to need to run two simultaneous lobbies rather than a single lobby as we already have too many signups to accomodate in a single lobby on most tracks with potentially more to come before the league gets started out. Following much discussion about how to make each lobby as competitive as possible and keeping things as transparent as possible the following procedure has been settled on:



Every driver is asked to complete a time trial time around Snetterton 100 in the Ginetta G40
I will track the leaderboard from here. (http://cars-stats-steam.wmdportal.com/index.php/leaderboard?track=3427627286&vehicle=310900789)
Each team will have their times averaged in order to allow for fair comparisons without splitting any teams up, this can be tracked here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KubP1PvRo_Ng37_zE3N1fB-WclARr29bL8M7sjFfZlc/edit?usp=sharing) (I will keep this as up to date as possible but will not be able to update this everytime a time changes)
At the cut off date I will do a final refresh of the spreadsheet, take the latest figures and rank each team from fastest to slowest average laptime, this list will then be split in half giving us a G40A and a G40B league.
Each league will run as a seperate entity, they will use the same points system and weather conditions but drivers will be competing only amongst their league for overall points championships.

Additional Details/Notes:


The cut off for the time trials will be Monday 21st September at 19:00 UTC (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150921T19&p0=%3A&msg=Time+Trial+Cutoff&font=slab&swk=1), this will be the time when the final spreadsheet refresh is done and any improvements to laptimes after this will not be counted.
Laptimes can be improved as often as you like, the only time that will count is the time on the leaderboard on Monday 21st September at 19:00 UTC (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150921T19&p0=%3A&msg=Time+Trial+Cutoff&font=slab&swk=1).
Any driver not submitting a time trial by this time will be given a nominal laptime equal to the slowest entered time + 1 second.
Individual drivers are encouraged to submit laptimes as well as those in a team, this will allow a division amongst teams and individuals to be made fairly and it could help people decide who they wish to team up with prior to the event start.
For the upcoming pre-season test/race session we will split the lobby based on this spreadsheet (if required), it is understood that not everyone will have an opportunity to submit a time between now and then which is why the cut off for the season proper isn't until two days before the first official race.


This system was decided on as we want to make each of the two lobbies as close and as competitive as possible without splitting up any already formed teams or alienating anyone, this structure puts everyone with drivers of equal pace as much as is possible and should ensure we have two closely matched leagues running where everyone has a chance of doing well.

Pamellaaa
08-09-2015, 21:45
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The points structure for this series is as follows:

http://i.imgur.com/AKAYSxw.png

Every driver who completes the race will receive a single point. This is designed to encourage everyone to try to reach the end of every race wherever possible.

Please see below for current drivers championship standings:

http://i.imgur.com/ET1PDDN.png (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JhLFJI0DJhfWZwZyJwHdqPUIECaa89e51GpTHNtoO4o/edit#gid=119354892)

G40A:
http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=218954&d=1443165321&thumb=1

G40B:

Please see below for current teams championship standings:

http://i.imgur.com/IRxasyl.png (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JhLFJI0DJhfWZwZyJwHdqPUIECaa89e51GpTHNtoO4o/edit#gid=84828746)

G40A:

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=218956&d=1443165325&thumb=1

G40B:

Pamellaaa
08-09-2015, 21:45
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Important Addition:

It has come to my attention that the Ginetta G40 suffers from the Project Cars camber issue where the car performs better with 0 camber despite this not being accurate in the real world, although this has been seen by some to be a bug/exploit it is something in the game at present and it is something that we can not do anything about or legislate around as we simply cannot check the camber that any given car is running.

With this in mind setup remains completely free and all drivers are free to use any settings they so desire with the knowledge that this issue exists and many drivers find this is an advantage, it is therefore advised that everyone in setting their car up try running with 0 camber and if it improves the car stick with it.







The Gentlemen’s Club follow the Rules & Regulations as set by the official FIA/MSA Blue Book 2013 and not necessarily as dictated by the game.


14.4. A car alone on the track may use the full width of the track. however, as soon as it is caught by a car which is about to lap it the driver must allow the faster driver past at the first possible opportunity. If the driver who has been caught does not seem to make full use of the rear-view mirrors, flag marshals will display waved blue flags to indicate that the faster driver wants to overtake. Any driver who appears to ignore the blue flags will be reported to the Clerk of Course.

The lapping car may flash his headlights twice when he is within 100 metres of the car he is lapping. TeamSpeak is also an alternative depending on which TS channel the drivers are in. Lapped cars should hold their race line and it is the lapping cars responsibility to make the safe pass. The lapped car may give the lapping car the racing line should they wish when the track conditions allow this and their intention is obvious i.e. along a main straight.


14.4.1. Curves, as well as the approach and exit zones thereof, may be negotiated by the drivers in any way they wish, within the limits of the track. Overtaking, may be done either on the right or on the left.

Obvious rule but see item 14.5 to define the ‘limits of the track’.


14.4.2. Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out on either the right or the left. A driver may not deliberately leave the track without justifiable reason. More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted.

Any driver moving back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off-line, should leave at least one car width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner.

However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited. Any driver who appears guilty of any of the above offences will be reported to the stewards of the meeting.

Simply drive responsibly and remember you can only make one change of direction as a defensive move. Drive like you paid for it, not as if you stole it.


The next ruling is the easiest of rules but one that seems to get misunderstood more than any other ruling.

14.5. Drivers must use the track at all times. For the avoidance of doubt:

(a) the white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not, and;

(b) a driver will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with the track.

(c) Repetition of serious mistakes or the appearance of a lack of control over the car (such as leaving the track) will be reported to the Clerk of Course and may entail the imposition of penalties up to and including the exclusion of any driver concerned.

14.5.1. Should a car leave the track for any reason and without prejudice to 14.5(c), the driver may rejoin. However, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any advantage. A ‘Drive Through’ penalty may be imposed for any driver believed to have gained any advantage.

So if you drive around any circuit than as long as you do not cross the white lines at either side of the track you “On the track”. As soon as all wheels cross over the white lines then you are classified as being “Off Track”. Drivers often believe that the curbs are part of the track but they are not. They are there to allow you to run over them with outer set of wheels whilst keeping the inside set still in contact with the track.


http://i.imgur.com/KcafGoV.png


http://i.imgur.com/jtsv9Sl.png


http://i.imgur.com/EFKhiak.png


Now we do not expect everyone to be perfect, that doesn’t happen in real life either, but we do expect you to try and obey the rules. It’s not always easy to see the line from inside the cockpit so it may help to check some replays if you are in doubt about your lines. Minor incidents can be overlooked but blatant violations will not.

If it is found you are deliberately cutting corners, running wide etc. lap after lap to gain any kind of advantage then you will be penalised with a 30»60sec penalty to be applied to your end time.

If you lost control and ended up in the gravel, barrier, etc. and have lost time then this is not recognised as gaining an advantage and ignored.

12.6 (h) Should either a ‘Stop-Go’ or ‘Drive Through’ penalty be imposed and notified during the last five laps, or after the end of the race or, depending on the case for duration races during the last 10 minutes, or cannot be imposed for operational reasons, an alternative time penalty of no less than 30 seconds and no more than one minute shall be added to any penalty period and the elapsed time of the car concerned.

If you do go off wider than expected you are to allow any cars that are following you to pass before re-joining, you may not block a car by coming back onto the track prematurely unless they have obviously allowed you the room to do so.

The Clerk of Course reserves the right to make any amendments to the above ruling per track. Where we feel that going wide at a corner is necessary in an endurance race then we shall announce this before the race.


14.6. No competing vehicle shall be driven in the reverse direction of the track except for the minimum distance to remove it from an unexpected situation and then only under official supervision.

Obvious, but still worth mentioning.


FLAG CONDITIONS

You are expected to drive as though flag signals are in place even when they do not appear in the game.

The most prominent one would be at a scene of an accident. If you are following cars and they slow down because of an accident in front of them you may not use this as an opportunity to overtake. You must slow down and fall behind them going past the scene of the incident in single file. Once clear of the incident then racing may continue.

Should you overtake a car under a yellow flag situation (other than the car(s) involved in the incident) you must relinquish that position back to the driver within the next 3 turns.


NON FIA/MSA RULINGS but TGC RULES & REGULATIONS

RESET BUTTON: Yep that damn reset button. We would like to really disable the reset option but with so many track glitches and car collision bugs it would be unfair to do so.

You may only use the reset button as the last resort. If you are spotted pressing the reset button as soon as you left the track you will be penalised. We appreciate at times i.e. free falling through the track, glued to a guard rail or lying on your roof top requires the use of the reset button but it cannot be used at any other time. If you are in the gravel at a corner than it is your responsibility to drive the car back on to the track, not to just press the reset button. You may even be disqualified for unnecessary use of the reset button.

You are not to use the reset button when cars are approaching your area. Please wait until the track is clear and that you will not spawn directly in front of an opponent (obviously this is not an option if you are free falling from 10,000 feet in the air as happens on some tracks).

Remember if you have to use the reset button that the likelihood is that your race should be over in reality.


FLASHING HEADLIGHTS
You may not use your headlights as a distraction technic. Headlight flashing is reserved for lapping manoeuvres only as specified under 14.4.0 above.

SYNC BUG
If any driver is suffering from lag during the formation lap i.e. other drivers inform them of this, then please follow this procedure:-

Press start, select retire to pits and remain in the lobby until the session is complete and people have had a chance to save the replays, during this time you are encouraged but not forced to view the race as a spectator and can help the race directors and stewards with track limit and collision enforcement.

INCIDENTS

Should you knock/push/shunt another driver off of the track and you are at fault then you are to slow down and wait for them to re-join the race and take back their position. This rule applies even if you are lapping another driver, every driver is to be shown the same respect and is equally entitled to be on the track. Your own fault does include rear ending them because they braked earlier than you did and it caught you off-guard.

Although racing is expected to be a non-contact sport please expect a little “push-n-shove” here and there. We do not need drivers screaming like hormonal teenagers about a little shunt that only broke their tail light and did not actually affect their race other than that. However should the stewards receive complaints of an individual constantly driving without consideration of other drivers then that driver may incur point deductions or be black flagged from the race resulting in the race points being reassigned.

You should report any incident or violation of the rules to the stewards. This can be done via the forum thread, PM a steward directly or email to ziggyuk@live.co.uk

Clerk of Course:
ZiggyUK

Race Director:
Pamellaaa / Tricky



There will be a 24hr window from the race finish time in which time to make a complaint to the Stewards.

The Stewards may take up to 48hrs from receipt of any complaint to complete their investigation.

Drivers may retract their complaint at any time prior to a decision being announced but not afterwards.

Track violation penalties as advised by the Stewards can be applied immediately following any race without prejudice or delay.

Once a penalty is announced no correspondence will be entered into and the Race Director decision will be final.

Pamellaaa
08-09-2015, 21:45
http://i.imgur.com/zoskUJv.png


Ginetta G40 Challenge Profile

Designed by Ginetta’s engineers in their Leeds factory in the UK, the G40 was set to elevate and refresh their junior racing series in 2009 and road version went on to receive Autosport's National Car of the Year Award for 2010.Described as a raw and engaging, this car has gone on to prove popular with drivers and fans alike thanks to the great racing and entertainment it often provides.The G40 weighs in at 900kg and is powered by the Ford Zetec 1.8l which provides 104hp. The transmission features a 6-speed Quaife sequential with a hydraulic clutch.

As a lot of the current TGC members started out with this car in our meet and greet sessions it seemed like the ideal candidate for the focus of our first league.


http://i.imgur.com/hkDVKQr.jpg

Pamellaaa
08-09-2015, 21:45
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Qualification will begin at exactly 19:00 UTC at each event and will last for 15 minutes.

When you are on an out or an in lap, or you have already given up the lap you are on you should make every effort to yield to faster drivers coming through, please note that if you are on a hot lap you will never be required to yield to anyone regardless of relative pace.

It is recommended that you run with headlights on during quick laps to help slower traffic identify faster cars who may wish to pass. Turn off your lights if you current lap has been invalidated and preferably if you know that you are unable to beat your session fastest lap.

There is no qualifying session for race 2, the grid for race 2 is determined by your finishing position in race 1.

Pamellaaa
08-09-2015, 21:45
http://i.imgur.com/e1btWW0.png

The TGC standing start procedure will be used throughout this league, please note that to be involved with this league you must have attended at least one TGC-ATS session to familiarise yourself with this procedure, this procedure works as follows:




When on the grid no-one moves until instruction is recieved from the race controller.
On the race controllers instruction the leader may move off and the warm up lap is underway.
All cars must follow the lead car around maintaining the gap to the car in front of them between 0.5 and 1.5 seconds.
Before the final corner (or in another appropriate position as determined by the race controller) the call will be made to move to the correct side of the grid in preparation for stopping in your spot.
When all cars are on the grid the following call will made by the race controller or another steward “Red Red Red Green” on green the race is a go.




Please note the following rules apply during the starting procedure:




There is no specific speed limit, the pace of the field is controlled by the lead car.
Excessive weaving to warm up tyres - using more than 50% of the track width and falling back in order to accelerate and practice starts - is prohibited
(item 3.7.6 of the Official Ginetta Challenge Regulations BARC/MSA)
If you spin out during the warm up lap you must stay off the track until the final car has passed you and start from the back of the grid.
Overtaking on the warm up lap is strictly forbidden.
When the race controller calls “odds on the left and evens on the right” you must use the position that you are in when the call is made as positions may have changed due to spinners or retirements.
If a track has the pole position slot on the right hand side of the grid this grid slot is ignored - the pole sitter is always on the left hand side of the grid, this means that the pole driver will use grid slot 2 at certain tracks.

Pamellaaa
08-09-2015, 21:45
http://i.imgur.com/gY9UI8h.png

This section will be used as a one stop shop to view any race videos uploaded by our competitors, as and when videos are posted they will be added to this post.

Pamellaaa
08-09-2015, 21:45
http://i.imgur.com/3vGwTP2.png


[Q] Can I use driving aids?
[A] All TGC races have lobbies set on "Real" driving aids, as the Ginetta G40 has no ABS, TCS or STC no aids will be permitted in this series, in other leagues and events where the real life equivalent cars have driving aids then they will be permitted.

[Q] Can I use an “external” view?
[A] Yes, you can.

[Q] Can I use my own custom livery?
[A] Custom Liveries are not allowed until such time as Devs allow server download of liveries.

[Q] Are custom setups allowed?
[A] Full custom setups are allowed and will be necessary anyway to increase fuel loads

[Q] How to I convert UTC to my own time zone?
[A] UTC = Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the primary time standard by which the world regulates clocks and time. It is one of several closely related successors to Greenwich Mean Time (GMT). For most purposes, UTC is synonymous with GMT, but GMT is no longer precisely defined by the scientific community. This link will convert UTC to your local time. (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx)

[Q]How can I get help with my setup?
[A] An hour or two before our regular sessions and also during the weekends there are plenty of members online on our Teamspeak server. Don't hesitate to join one of the rooms and state your problems, you usually will get advice from our experienced members.

[Q] How can I learn more about setups and racing in general?
[A] A book I like to recommend is “Driving on the Edge” by Michael Krumm.

[Q] My framerate is pretty low in multiplayer, what can I do?
[A] Beside the resolution, AA, reflections and envmap are the three biggest hitters, so lower those if you want more performance

ZiggyUK
08-09-2015, 21:46
And we are off :D

By signing up to this league you have agreed to abide to all the rules and regulations as set down above and to any Supplementary Regulations issued against a specific track.

t0daY
08-09-2015, 22:40
And we are off :D

Registered!! :) Well done guys :)

falcon2081
08-09-2015, 23:21
Registered!

Giovtec
08-09-2015, 23:23
Ok, I have the chance to move my work schedule, so.... REGISTERED!! :cool

miagi
09-09-2015, 01:05
Hello :)

ZiggyUK
09-09-2015, 01:21
Has anyone read the text below "END of RACE"? Because it looks like copy and past from a time long ago...

yep there are a number of changes that need to be made in there, it will be changed tomorrow I guess.

miagi
09-09-2015, 01:43
14.4.1. Curves, as well as the approach and exit zones thereof, may be negotiated by the drivers in any way they wish, within the limits of the track. Overtaking, may be done either on the right or on the left.

I think I might not understand the meaning of that rule. Could it be explained please?



Excessive weaving to warm up tyres - using more than 50% of the track width ... - is prohibited
Oh come one that rule doesn't look sensible, on a track like Outlon Park, 50% track width means there is barely any room for weaving left. On some parts of Silverstone, 50% track width might be more than Outon Parks widest track spot :/
Make up your mind what you want to achieve with that rule and phrase it in a way to make clear to the driver what you want em to do resp. not to do.

ZiggyUK
09-09-2015, 02:37
Hi miagi my old mucker :)


I think I might not understand the meaning of that rule. Could it be explained please?

That is one we have always used since day 1 mate > you have always raced against that one. It means you decide you own racing line approaching, through and exiting a corner as no as you respect the track limits (keep at least one wheel inside the white line). You can overtake anybody either on the inside or the outside. There is no rules that says you must always overtake on the left or always overtake on the inside etc.


One thing missing from the posted older R&R is this bit as well :-


Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out on either the right or the left. A driver may not deliberately leave the track without justifiable reason. More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any driver moving back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off-line, should leave at least one car width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner. However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited. Any driver who appears guilty of any of the above offences will be reported to the stewards of the meeting.

Although you should know that from the [TGC-MCE] races







Oh come one that rule doesn't look sensible, on a track like Outlon Park, 50% track width means there is barely any room for weaving left. On some parts of Silverstone, 50% track width might be more than Outon Parks widest track spot :/
Make up your mind what you want to achieve with that rule and phrase it in a way to make clear to the driver what you want em to do resp. not to do.

Not my rule mate that is the official Ginetta/BARC agreed to. in fact nearly all series have the 50% rule. We, TGC, as you know don't overly push that one unless drivers are being stupid. We do however NOT allow burn outs.

in fact just for you here is the screen shot of that part of their regs :p

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It was not so much the weaving but the race practice starts. They are prohibited by Ginetta in the same way they are prohibited in DTM, Blancpain and the BTCC and most others

DTM
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Blancpain
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BTCC
217726

Eurocup Megane Trophy
217727

I shall not go on but I guessing you understand anyway.

NemethR
09-09-2015, 06:19
Registered, this sound very-very nice!

I love the car, and love the British Tracks.
Looking forward to it.

Pamellaaa
09-09-2015, 07:23
End of race stuff removed as none of it was relevant, start procedure change made.

Burnouts are a non-issue in the G40s, you try and do one with 100hp and the tyres these cars have!

cluck
09-09-2015, 07:44
Registered :)

Great choice of car for the first post-release league :yes:.

KamyKaze1098
09-09-2015, 08:37
Great news. I'm on board. Race on :cool:

Battenberg
09-09-2015, 09:32
Mint! I've signed up as a free agent :)

Puffpirat
09-09-2015, 09:53
Yay league racing :) Well done guys, really looking forward to it.

PzR Slim
09-09-2015, 10:19
Wow! Looks absolutely fantastic. Registered and can't wait.

Tricky
09-09-2015, 10:56
Team PzR.... TBH :rolleyes:


Great to see all the interest, only a week away from the test event. :highly_amused:

PzR Slim
09-09-2015, 11:07
Team PzR.... TBH :rolleyes:


Great to see all the interest, only a week away from the test event. :highly_amused:

lol, just like old times! I'm up for it :cool:

DrKabel
09-09-2015, 11:14
Registered, I'm really excited! :D
And big thanks to all the guys who work behind the scenes and organize these leagues and events! (Top) hats off to you :D

Elmo
09-09-2015, 11:14
http://i.imgur.com/3vGwTP2.png



[Q] How can I learn more about setups and racing in general?
[A] A book I like to recommend is “Driving on the Edge” by Michael Krumm.


Reading this reminded me that the 2015 Edition of the book will be available next week: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Driving-Edge-2015-Science-Race/dp/191058407X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1441797067&sr=8-2&keywords=driving+on+the+edge

Plenty of people followed my recommendation during the WMD days and the feedback has always been very positive. A must-read for any sim-racer that wants to improve his craft.

Will also be made available as an ebook at a later stage.

Tricky
09-09-2015, 11:19
Reading this reminded me that the 2015 Edition of the book will be available next week: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Driving-Edge-2015-Science-Race/dp/191058407X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1441797067&sr=8-2&keywords=driving+on+the+edge

Plenty of people followed my recommendation during the WMD days and the feedback has always been very positive. A must-read for any sim-racer that wants to improve his craft.

Will also be made available as an ebook at a later stage.

Hey Elmo, it's my Birthday next month....

AlexOki
09-09-2015, 11:36
Registered, looking forward to this our first league racing, well first for me with TGC

Pamellaaa
09-09-2015, 11:45
Hi Guys, I have made a few changes to the first few posts, I have now added all the current signed up drivers next to the livery name and image to aid with people forming teams, I have removed the Machuca and Vane liveries as these are now confirmed in use by the first two teams to sign up and have therefore been placed in the Teams and Drivers sections.

A couple of people are going to get PMs shortly asking for second choice liveries as their selections have already gone to the teams, remember folks that when a team is formed and has selected their livery that livery becomes unavailable for selection so start thinking about who you will want to race with and what livery your team will want to run as it is going to be first come first served!

Edit to say that the names next to the liveries do not have to form a team together, if you wish to change your selection (or need to because it becomes unavailable) that is perfectly fine, send me a PM or post in here and I will deal with all requests as quickly as I can.

Thank you all for the kind words, it should be a lot of fun :)

NemethR
09-09-2015, 12:26
Edit to say that the names next to the liveries do not have to form a team together, if you wish to change your selection (or need to because it becomes unavailable) that is perfectly fine, send me a PM or post in here and I will deal with all requests as quickly as I can.


Sorry, I don't get this part :)

Is it so, that a choosen livery is by first come-first served basis, or is it so that teams get the priority?!

Pamellaaa
09-09-2015, 12:43
Sorry, I don't get this part :)

Is it so, that a choosen livery is by first come-first served basis, or is it so that teams get the priority?!

A team will always be given priority, liveries are first come first served amongst teams but I have posted a list now to show who has requested which livery to help people with forming teams. In effect the liveries are assigned to teams and then become unavailable for selection, the liveries that people have selected when they have signed up as an individual are treated as a request (and remain open to others) until they are able to form a team, those who wish to race on their own will unfortunately need to be a bit flexible with their livery selection :)

MikeyTT
09-09-2015, 13:48
Registered :)

Personals Ad:
Fun, introverted, fairly quick peddler, seeks similar GSOH partner to spend Wed evenings thrashing the nuts of the G40s around the best of the UK tracks. Not necessarily seeking long term relationship, just looking for NSA fun ;)

I'm registered under Volmer #58, but if you want to form a team, I'm not precious if one of the other 2 car teams is still available.

NemethR
09-09-2015, 14:00
At the same pace, looking for a team mate :D
Preferred are slow drivers, just as me.

Timmynator
09-09-2015, 14:19
Signed up, too.

@ MikeyTT and NemethR: Either of you wanna team up? I'm looking for a teammate as well.

Will Fly
09-09-2015, 15:26
so from what i can tell its a team thing is that wright ?
how many per team
team name BridgeStoners.

and looking for a team m8

Pamellaaa
09-09-2015, 15:36
so from what i can tell its a team thing is that wright ?
how many per team
team name BridgeStoners.

and looking for a team m8

It is a team things but individual points are also going to be scored, so there is both a team and a drivers championship to play for.

There are 2 cars per team and each team has to use the same livery (or one of the few that are obviously paired).

t0daY
09-09-2015, 15:59
http://i.imgur.com/h174xeU.png
Mad Max Motorsport


Machuca #18


t0daY
Photonenbert








Team Mad Max Motorsport is ready to win the Championship :p :D :)

Battenberg
09-09-2015, 16:01
I just want to check something, to make sure I haven't made a mistake in my sign up. As a relief driver, if all teams have both drivers present, will I still be able to enter to score my driver points (I guess as a privateer for admin purposes)? I guess the only sticky point would be which livery to use.

Neil Bateman
09-09-2015, 16:10
I just want to check something, to make sure I haven't made a mistake in my sign up. As a relief driver, if all teams have both drivers present, will I still be able to enter to score my driver points (I guess as a privateer for admin purposes)? I guess the only sticky point would be which livery to use.


Good point, not sure how many events i can make and thought of relief driver, but may end up not being able to race at all if grids are full, at the same time if you have a single car team it takes away a car and livery from others and if you can only make 2 of the events for example seems a bit selfish.

Pamellaaa
09-09-2015, 16:31
I just want to check something, to make sure I haven't made a mistake in my sign up. As a relief driver, if all teams have both drivers present, will I still be able to enter to score my driver points (I guess as a privateer for admin purposes)? I guess the only sticky point would be which livery to use.


Good point, not sure how many events i can make and thought of relief driver, but may end up not being able to race at all if grids are full, at the same time if you have a single car team it takes away a car and livery from others and if you can only make 2 of the events for example seems a bit selfish.

If all teams have both drivers present then you will still be able to compete and score your own individual points, in ideal circumstances you would only sign up as a relief driver if you are likely to be unable to attend all the races. In terms of livery anyone running as a relief driver will be in the appropriate team livery where sensible or any free livery in the event they are not covering (but this should be consistent for any races in the season where this is the case)

Grids being full will not be an issue, there is a plan for this and everyone who signs up will be assured of a place assuming they can attend on any given day.

Ideally we will not have many relief drivers, we want as many teams as possible and we understand that not everyone can commit to 5 weeks in a row, understanding this having some relief drivers is neccassary but in an ideal world the majority will sign up to race with a team.

Neil Bateman
09-09-2015, 16:39
If all teams have both drivers present then you will still be able to compete and score your own individual points, in ideal circumstances you would only sign up as a relief driver if you are likely to be unable to attend all the races. In terms of livery anyone running as a relief driver will be in the appropriate team livery where sensible or any free livery in the event they are not covering (but this should be consistent for any races in the season where this is the case)

Grids being full will not be an issue, there is a plan for this and everyone who signs up will be assured of a place assuming they can attend on any given day.

Ideally we will not have many relief drivers, we want as many teams as possible and we understand that not everyone can commit to 5 weeks in a row, understanding this having some relief drivers is neccassary but in an ideal world the majority will sign up to race with a team.

I can check my rota tomorrow and if god forbid i am down to work lates on almost all the events and therefore miss most of them i will change to a relief driver and free up a car and livery for someone else, if i can make all the races then i will be looking for a team mate, only an idiot would take me up on this offer.

Battenberg
09-09-2015, 16:48
words

Cool, thanks for clearing that up. I intend to make every race, so I've teamed up with Hobbs. This is our anthem:


www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnWN8J25tz8

Alex Hobbs
09-09-2015, 17:00
Cool, thanks for clearing that up. I intend to make every race, so can my entry be changed to no team mate, and the 'Vollmer #58' livery as 1st choice. If needed, second choice would be 'Curleys #19'. I'm not fussy, to be honest.

@Hobbs, this is our opportunity to form the confection connection! Or perhaps 'Shuttleworth's Racing Team':


www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnWN8J25tz8

Sounds good, lets' do it :D

(Confection Connection ftw)

Pamellaaa
09-09-2015, 17:37
Sounds good, lets' do it :D

(Confection Connection ftw)
It is done, as is the PzR team and Team Oachkatzlschwoaf Racing!

Timmynator
09-09-2015, 18:16
Actually, looks like I'll be teaming up with my old pre-release teammate TwistedNav!

Get ready for some crazy TwistedNator (that's our team name) antics! We always had the craziest PR releases and wildest bitches at the after-parties :D

PzR Slim
09-09-2015, 19:00
It is done, as is the PzR team and Team Oachkatzlschwoaf Racing!

Woot! Project Zero Racing to give it it's full title from back in the glory days of Forza!

Stevie_F
09-09-2015, 20:09
Registered! Looking forward to racing with you all in a league, game on :pride:

Also, team mate slot available :)

MelBonkers
09-09-2015, 20:44
Registered! And proud team member of Will Fly ;-)

Photonenbert
09-09-2015, 20:53
Team Mad Max Motorsport is ready to win the Championship :p :D :)

YAUSA!

checamon
09-09-2015, 21:40
Hi guys,

I'd like to team up with someone. I'm not fast but I'm taking it seriously and am really competitive. Would love to learn and improve with you. I have time to attend all races.

I don't mind the livery... I just want to have some fun races and battles. Unlike the last MCE race, man what a disaster, need to look at my rain technique, I wasn't the last in quali but the race... Puf! I span out once almost every 5 laps. I kept giving grief to the Clios!

Really loving TGC, thanks guys for organising these events!

XiondrapoS
10-09-2015, 00:41
Introducing the Oachkatzlschwoaf Racing Team

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Today it is our distinct pleasure to exclusively announce the founding of an organization that promises to shape the landscape of motorsports like not many before: Team Oachkatzlschwoaf Racing. Mr. Squee Rell, the founding father of the team, has spared no expenses in his venture to make an impression. As such he has hired an excellent pit crew, an outstanding engineering staff and two drivers, one of the most excellent on the grid, and one that is thoroughly mediocre. The Austrian duo of DrKabel and XiondrapoS are looking to prove themselves against the very best in the world.

The team is set to enter the Ginetta G40 League powered by The Gentlemen's Club, certainly one of the most prestigious leagues in the history of motorsports. The Pre-Season Race is less than a week away and we will see just what they bring to the table.

Mr. Squee Rell has provided us with the following statement:
"A couple of nights ago I dreamt that I was the owner of a racing team and in that dream it felt nice and good. So when I woke up and my butler finished clothing me, I decided to go out and throw a couple of millions at some people and here we are now."



Article by Mike Hawk, Autocarrace Magazine

ZiggyUK
10-09-2015, 01:27
Registered :)

Personals Ad:
Fun, introverted, fairly quick peddler, seeks similar GSOH partner to spend Wed evenings thrashing the nuts of the G40s around the best of the UK tracks. Not necessarily seeking long term relationship, just looking for NSA fun ;)

I'm registered under Volmer #58, but if you want to form a team, I'm not precious if one of the other 2 car teams is still available.

Hi Mikey > you want to team up for old time sake (no Naruko this time). I am guessing the other half of Riff Raff Racing (Nick) is not going to be available as yet. No pressure, just an option

ZiggyUK
10-09-2015, 01:38
1. From experience Relief drivers are always in short supply apart from the first race so you are more or less guaranteed a drive in a team livery

2. If two shift workers can sort it out amongst themselves to cover a season then there is nothing against you teaming up with another driver to create a 3 man team. Obviously only 2 predetermined drivers may score points for their team at any singular event.

3. Although unlikely, if you should find yourself not driving for a team then you are viewed as a ghost driver and your position is not counted. This ensures rival battle between teams is not upset and a season won or lost due to the presence of a ghost driver.

4. If you are driving as a ghost driver then you are to use the TGC Custom livery (see below). We ask all drivers to install this livery or at the least install the AI only opponent livery so that it is easy to identify in Videos.


Full TGC Livery 217779


AI Only TGC Livery 217780


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Should at any point we introduce in game stewards then they will also use this livery.

ZiggyUK
10-09-2015, 02:15
Do we have any Volunteers to be race Stewards (were is Patrick when I need him). Please do not accept this light heartily as it can be a very serious role to play.

A race steward can either be a participating driver or a non participating TGC member.

Your role is accept complaints made against drivers and examine all video footage and witness statements. You are to remain unbiased at all times and only deal with the facts. You will converse with the other two Stewards, the race director and the Clerk of Course (if needed) to reach a decision as to whether a plaintiffs pleadings are upheld or not and any penalties or point deductions to be applied to the defendant in case.

Obviously should the defendant be your team mate then you are not allowed to be part of the proceedings.


There will be a 24hr window from the race finish time in which time to make a complaint to the Stewards.

The Stewards may take up to 48hrs from receipt of any complaint to complete their investigation.

Drivers may retract their complaint at any time prior to a decision being announced but not afterwards.

Track violation penalties as advised by the Stewards can be applied immediately following any race without prejudice or delay.

Once a penalty is announced no correspondence will be entered into and the Race Director decision will be final.



FULL COPY of [TGC-G40] Rules and Regulations in PDF format for you to print (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ulhnpkxrdc9r3d6/%5BTGC-G40%5D%20Rules%20%26%20Regulations.pdf?dl=0)

Timmynator
10-09-2015, 09:22
Could TwistedNav and I please get Convex #10 / #11 as our team livery? My initial choice is already taken by another team...

NemethR
10-09-2015, 09:44
Signed up, too.

@ MikeyTT and NemethR: Either of you wanna team up? I'm looking for a teammate as well.

Thanks for asking Timmy, sure would have been interested, you found a team mate already, just wanted to thank you for the question :)

Iceman07
10-09-2015, 10:44
I think I could be a relief driver for the first race and maybe some other races as well. But as my summer holiday ends on 28th of September I'm not at home at my simrig anymore. I have my old wheel (Logitech DFGT) in Graz now (where I study), but I'm not sure if I've got enougth time to do the whole season.

Nevil Wigbels
10-09-2015, 11:14
Signed up as a reserve driver, for the time being, as I have to sort some things out first.

miagi
10-09-2015, 11:20
Signed up as a reserve driver, for the time being, as I have to sort some things out first.
Still better than as reverse driver :X
Hi Nevil nice to see you :)

Pamellaaa
10-09-2015, 11:46
Added 3 new teams to the first few posts:

Miagi & Falcon
TwistedNav & TimmyNator
WillFly & Melbonkers.

Thanks all for signing up, Will and Mel I have taken Will's original team name that he posted much earlier, are you happy with this?

Falcon & Miagi I will need a team name from you at some point :)

I think I am not completely up to date with the team sign ups again, if I have missed anyone let me know!

Puffpirat
10-09-2015, 12:16
Miagi & Falcon
And I thought we were friends now :sorrow:

falcon2081
10-09-2015, 14:04
And I thought we were friends now :sorrow:

Kinda hard to tell who you are directing this too lol. Good to see you back though.

Puffpirat
10-09-2015, 14:12
To you obviously ;) looking forward to this, you guys will be a tough team to race against!

miagi
10-09-2015, 14:15
To you obviously ;) looking forward to this, you guys will be a tough team to race against!
^^ oh yeah

t0daY
10-09-2015, 16:17
^^ oh yeah

zzZzzZZz will be easy ;) :D :D

Will Fly
10-09-2015, 16:29
217807

but yes BridgeStoners for me and Mo please

Gopher04
10-09-2015, 16:32
Just registered, teamed up with Cluck...

Long time since we've seen that team name Will..

Will Fly
10-09-2015, 16:36
Just registered, teamed up with Cluck...

Long time since we've seen that team name Will..

Back in the day :D
my team names older than Alex.

cluck
10-09-2015, 17:01
Team "BadBoys" reporting for duty :D

"BadBoys BadBoys, what ya gonna do, what ya gonna do when the pack starts chasing you"

Will Fly
10-09-2015, 17:05
Are you really a bad boy Cluck we know Gopher is :D

cluck
10-09-2015, 17:08
Are you really a bad boy Cluck we know Gopher is :DYep :yes:

(no, not really)

Gopher04
10-09-2015, 17:34
Are you really a bad boy Cluck we know Gopher is :D

What me..I sh** candy I'm so sweet.

checamon
10-09-2015, 18:16
Registered! Looking forward to racing with you all in a league, game on :pride:

Also, team mate slot available :)

I'm still looking for a teammate, if you are up for it!

Timmynator
10-09-2015, 20:42
What me..I sh** candy I'm so sweet.

So you eat a lot of liquorice?

NemethR
11-09-2015, 07:46
I'm still looking for a teammate, if you are up for it!

And I am looking for someone too :D

AlexOki
11-09-2015, 08:57
Nemeth I am one of those slow drivers out there if you are interested in having me on your team I will have no problem either

NemethR
11-09-2015, 09:32
Nemeth I am one of those slow drivers out there if you are interested in having me on your team I will have no problem either

Hello Alex, Mr. Checamon contacted me a little bit earlier, so at the moment it looks like I will team up with him, as he was faster (contacting me).
But thank you very much for your interests, I would be up for it, but can only have 1 team mate :)

MikeyTT
11-09-2015, 10:10
Hi Mikey > you want to team up for old time sake (no Naruko this time). I am guessing the other half of Riff Raff Racing (Nick) is not going to be available as yet. No pressure, just an option

Yes, why not, that sounds like a plan. Like old times, although this time, I'll hopefully be able to make a few more of the events.

Thoughts on livery? What about the Shalstone cars?

Edit:
@Pam; Could you update the google doc to show Ziggy and me as team Riff-Raff please.

NemethR
11-09-2015, 10:15
Introducing to you:

Fast Turtle Motosrport. ready for battle
http://www.launchpadwebservices.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/rocket-turtle.jpg


Drivers:
* Checamon
* NemethR

Car: #80 Ginetta

Neil Bateman
11-09-2015, 11:42
I can only make maybe 3 of the races so if needed can change to a relief driver and hopefully get to drive in a couple of races.

Pamellaaa
11-09-2015, 12:05
3 new teams added:

SillySausage & Jakeyy
Ziggy & MikeyTT
NemethR & Checamon

I think I am now completely up to date with the registered teams both in the posts on here and the spreadsheet, if anyone things I have missed them please let me know :)

Gopher04
11-09-2015, 12:46
3 new teams added:

SillySausage & Jakeyy
Ziggy & MikeyTT
NemethR & Checamon

I think I am now completely up to date with the registered teams both in the posts on here and the spreadsheet, if anyone things I have missed them please let me know :)

Just need to update our Team name, I'm pretty sure we're going with 'BadBoys Racing' Cluck will let you know if it needs altering again.

Pamellaaa
11-09-2015, 12:50
Just need to update our Team name, I'm pretty sure we're going with 'BadBoys Racing' Cluck will let you know if it needs altering again.

Thanks Goph, will put it in my next round of changes this evening unless I hear otherwise.

cluck
11-09-2015, 13:05
I really like BadBoys Racing so we're good to go with that :yes:.


Bad Boys, Bad Boys :D

http://www.clucksworld.co.uk/b3ta/badmuppets2_trailer_fulllar.gif

(I created that just over 8 years ago - only took about 12 hours :o)

mcarver2000
11-09-2015, 18:12
Looking for a teammate.... I am not an alien, but I am a consistent finisher and tend to stay out of trouble.....

Giovtec
11-09-2015, 21:05
I demand a team name for all of us "lone drivers"

I will take care of the livery... just for the LULZ ;)

217880
217881

I might be unavailable to race on Sunday, so.... Good weekend Gents!!

Yeratel84
12-09-2015, 13:33
Registered and after speaking to KamyKaze we decided to join forces, driving the #12/#13 Bielik Racing cars (team name TBD at the moment)

Pamellaaa
12-09-2015, 17:23
New team added, team name added for Badboys racing and Convict Colony Racing and an up to date list of the drivers without teammates has been added to the registration post.

Gopher04
12-09-2015, 19:48
an up to date list of the drivers without teammates has been added to the registration post.

All 8 of them, not a hard one for them to sort out...;)

AlexOki
12-09-2015, 20:12
Looking for a teammate.... I am not an alien, but I am a consistent finisher and tend to stay out of trouble.....
MCARVER so am I if you need one let me know

ZiggyUK
13-09-2015, 17:03
Yes, why not, that sounds like a plan. Like old times, although this time, I'll hopefully be able to make a few more of the events.

Thoughts on livery? What about the Shalstone cars?

Edit:
@Pam; Could you update the google doc to show Ziggy and me as team Riff-Raff please.

@Pam > Please add Nick Claydon to our little team. That way between the 3 of us we should be able to cover all races.

Pamellaaa
14-09-2015, 12:24
Hi Guys, a couple of important updates, first has been added to the Teams & Drivers post:



It has become apparent that we are going to need to run two simultaneous lobbies rather than a single lobby as we already have too many signups to accomodate in a single lobby on most tracks with potentially more to come before the league gets started out. Following much discussion about how to make each lobby as competitive as possible and keeping things as transparent as possible the following procedure has been settled on:



Every driver is asked to complete a time trial time around Snetterton 100 in the Ginetta G40
I will track the leaderboard from here. (http://cars-stats-steam.wmdportal.com/index.php/leaderboard?track=3427627286&vehicle=310900789)
Each team will have their times averaged in order to allow for fair comparisons without splitting any teams up, this can be tracked here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KubP1PvRo_Ng37_zE3N1fB-WclARr29bL8M7sjFfZlc/edit?usp=sharing) (I will keep this as up to date as possible but will not be able to update this everytime a time changes)
At the cut off date I will do a final refresh of the spreadsheet, take the latest figures and rank each team from fastest to slowest average laptime, this list will then be split in half giving us a G40A and a G40B league.
Each league will run as a seperate entity, they will use the same points system and weather conditions but drivers will be competing only amongst their league for overall points championships.

Additional Details/Notes:


The cut off for the time trials will be Monday 21st September at 19:00 UTC (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150921T19&p0=%3A&msg=Time+Trial+Cutoff&font=slab&swk=1), this will be the time when the final spreadsheet refresh is done and any improvements to laptimes after this will not be counted.
Laptimes can be improved as often as you like, the only time that will count is the time on the leaderboard on Monday 21st September at 19:00 UTC (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150921T19&p0=%3A&msg=Time+Trial+Cutoff&font=slab&swk=1).
Any driver not submitting a time trial by this time will be given a nominal laptime equal to the slowest entered time + 1 second.
Individual drivers are encouraged to submit laptimes as well as those in a team, this will allow a division amongst teams and individuals to be made fairly and it could help people decide who they wish to team up with prior to the event start.
For the upcoming pre-season test/race session we will split the lobby based on this spreadsheet (if required), it is understood that not everyone will have an opportunity to submit a time between now and then which is why the cut off for the season proper isn't until two days before the first official race.


This system was decided on as we want to make each of the two lobbies as close and as competitive as possible without splitting up any already formed teams or alienating anyone, this structure puts everyone with drivers of equal pace as much as is possible and should ensure we have two closely matched leagues running where everyone has a chance of doing well.


and the second has been added to the rules and regulations post.


Important Addition:

It has come to my attention that the Ginetta G40 suffers from the Project Cars camber issue where the car performs better with 0 camber despite this not being accurate in the real world, although this has been seen by some to be a bug/exploit it is something in the game at present and it is something that we can not do anything about or legislate around as we simply cannot check the camber that any given car is running.

With this in mind setup remains completely free and all drivers are free to use any settings they so desire with the knowledge that this issue exists and many drivers find this is an advantage, it is therefore advised that everyone in setting their car up try running with 0 camber and if it improves the car stick with it.




If anyone has any questions about any of the above please let me know :)

Oh, and one less important update:


@Pam > Please add Nick Claydon to our little team. That way between the 3 of us we should be able to cover all races.

Done :)

Pamellaaa
14-09-2015, 14:27
One additional change: 3 new people added to the signed up drivers without teammate list:


gio_vtec
AlexOki
Puffpirat
BumperCarrotNL
Alex Salmon
Stevie_F
mcarver2000
BioForce
Bagaz (Mark Baggaley)
Quelus (Delilah)
Harabla






Spikegrw (relief)
Elmo (relief)
Nevil Wigbels (relief)
Iceman07 (relief)
Neil Bateman (relief)


Any of you guys in talks to teamup? we want as many teams as possible involved :)

SillySausage
14-09-2015, 14:45
Convict Colony Racing ready for action!

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Giovtec
14-09-2015, 15:13
In any case, if a teammate is required, just reply me a ;)

if not, then... Team Forever Alone :cool:

Puffpirat
14-09-2015, 15:21
In any case, if a teammate is required, just reply me a ;)

if not, then... Team Forever Alone :cool:
I can't just reply with ;) says message is to short ;) wanna team up?

Giovtec
14-09-2015, 15:50
I can't just reply with ;) says message is to short ;) wanna team up?

aight! let me know if you have any name for the team :cool:

Puffpirat
14-09-2015, 16:10
aight! let me know if you have any name for the team :cool:
Puffy v-tec could come across wrong :p are you ok with the #44 livery? I believe your pick is already taken by a team?

Pamellaaa any reason behind the coloring in the Google sheet? Are the liveries up to date?

Giovtec
14-09-2015, 16:14
Puffy v-tec could come across wrong :p are you ok with the #44 livery? I believe your pick is already taken by a team?


Yeah livery is fine, let's go with the Puffy V-tec Racing Team :D

Puffpirat
14-09-2015, 16:15
Awesome :D

Pamellaaa
14-09-2015, 16:22
Puffy v-tec could come across wrong :p are you ok with the #44 livery? I believe your pick is already taken by a team?

Pamellaaa any reason behind the coloring in the Google sheet? Are the liveries up to date?

Green = done, Anything else = Something else, I keep changing them and messing around so it doesn't make a huge amount of sense I am just using it to remind me what I need to do with who and when.

Liveries aren't 100% accurate on the spreadsheet I don't think but the forum posts are up to date, spreadsheet liveries are on the TDL soon.

Giovtec
14-09-2015, 16:24
@ pam: one more fo the list. :D

Puffy V-tec Racing Team #44

Puffpirat & Giovtec

falcon2081
14-09-2015, 16:30
Oh snap! Puff and Gio? Another strong team comes out of the woodwork.

Puffpirat
14-09-2015, 16:42
I can already hear my crew chief yelling "let Gio pass for the championship" ;)

cluck
14-09-2015, 17:38
Snetterton time set (with default setup as always :D). Can go a little faster but struggling with a bitch of a headache this evening so might give it another go tomorrow - I know I can take another couple of tenths off my time, just a question of hooking it all up on one single lap.

Giovtec
14-09-2015, 17:45
I can already hear my crew chief yelling "let Gio pass for the championship" ;)

nice one... should i be laughing? hehe ;) kdng!

But don't worry "Puffy" :rolleyes: i will do my best.

Puffpirat
14-09-2015, 18:04
nice one... should i be laughing? hehe ;) kdng!

But don't worry "Puffy" :rolleyes: i will do my best.

:p but there was actually a background behind it. I might miss a round, depends on work and if I'm needed for another test trip. So there could very well be a situation where I can help you. Hope that didn't come over wrong :)

AlexOki
14-09-2015, 18:15
Bagaz (Mark Baggaley)
Could we possibly make a team?
Let me know
Thanks

Giovtec
14-09-2015, 18:19
:p but there was actually a background behind it. I might miss a round, depends on work and if I'm needed for another test trip. So there could very well be a situation where I can help you. Hope that didn't come over wrong :)

naa,, no problem. :cool:

Bagaz
14-09-2015, 18:51
Bagaz (Mark Baggaley)
Could we possibly make a team?
Let me know
Thanks
Absolutely dude. Got a name in mind?

AlexOki
14-09-2015, 19:01
S&*0 Sorry dude Stevie just asked and I accepted just 20 minutes ago

Bagaz
14-09-2015, 19:31
S&*0 Sorry dude Stevie just asked and I accepted just 20 minutes ago

Haha. Just my luck.
Any other takers? I don't wanna be alone...
Seriously I'll team up with anyone that will take me. :)

Stevie_F
14-09-2015, 19:34
Can you add AlexOki and I to the list please.

Team Name: S.O.L Racing
Livery: Kmax

I won't be able to attend the pre season race but will be available to all the others providing work doesn't overlap :)

donpost
14-09-2015, 19:41
Not sure if I'm going to get through the registration/induction process in time to take part but I've done a time anyway!

t0daY
14-09-2015, 19:45
Not sure if I'm going to get through the registration/induction process in time to take part but I've done a time anyway!

If you are not PNC I am afraid you can not participate to this league :/

donpost
14-09-2015, 19:49
I really need to start reading things properly :hopelessness:

t0daY
14-09-2015, 19:50
I really need to start reading things properly :hopelessness:

No problem! :p Get through NCC and then we see us here again :p :)

Giovtec
14-09-2015, 20:35
jgeez, you guys can't let me get closer, i am going to wait until all of you are sleeping :p

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cluck
14-09-2015, 21:16
jgeez, you guys can't let me get closer, i am going to wait until all of you are sleeping :p

218144...and I'm still the only one of us to set a time with default setup :D. But how tight is that leaderboard :o. Since donpost's time doesn't count (he's not allowed to take part in the league yet) there's less than 0.5s separating the top 9 times for this league so far :o :cool:.

Giovtec
14-09-2015, 21:27
...and I'm still the only one of us to set a time with default setup :D. But how tight is that leaderboard :o. Since donpost's time doesn't count (he's not allowed to take part in the league yet) there's less than 0.5s separating the top 9 times for this league so far :o :cool:.

yeah, so far so good.

Pamellaaa
14-09-2015, 22:22
There's less than 0.5s separating the top 9 times for this league so far :o :cool:.

Make that 10:

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Me and Kman plowed hours into getting into the 48s now, so damn close!

Edit: I have heard they are bugged but has anyone got a quick explanation of what the icons are supposed to mean (I/P C/D W/G E/I +/-) ?

cluck
14-09-2015, 22:44
Column 1 : Driving model (P = Pro, I = Intermediate)
Column 2 : Car Setup (C = Custom, D = Default)
Column 3 : Controller (W = Wheel, G = Gamepad)
Column 4 : View (E = External, I = Internal) - Here, External is any view other than cockpit cam I believe
Column 5 : Assists (ABS, TC, Autoclutch etc)


There are items for each column. For instance, I believe there is K for Keyboard under the controller heading, along with the other driving models.

EDIT : Also worth noting that if you change any setting in a car setup and then revert the settings to defaults, it will still appear as custom setup in the leaderboards. The only way to clear that is to delete your profile and start a new one.

Pamellaaa
14-09-2015, 22:49
Column 1 : Driving model (P = Pro, I = Intermediate)
Column 2 : Car Setup (C = Custom, D = Default)
Column 3 : Controller (W = Wheel, G = Gamepad)
Column 4 : View (E = External, I = Internal) - Here, External is any view other than cockpit cam I believe
Column 5 : Assists (ABS, TC, Autoclutch etc)


There are items for each column. For instance, I believe there is K for Keyboard under the controller heading, along with the other driving models.

Great thanks, I assume + means no assists and - means some assists?

Also what would cause my driving model to be intermediate rather than Pro? I selected Pro when I first launched the game.

cluck
14-09-2015, 22:50
Great thanks, I assume + means no assists and - means some assists?

Also what would cause my driving model to be intermediate rather than Pro? I selected Pro when I first launched the game.For the assists column, '+' indicates that some assists are logged as being used (although it used to be bugged, and might still be, that if you select 'Real Assists' then it shows those as having been used even if they haven't) whilst '-' means no assists in use at all. EDIT : I've never enabled 'Real Assists' so my times are almost always logged with a - .

EDIT : As for the driving model showing incorrectly, I don't know the answer to that. I believe it is still the case, however, that to change it you have to start a new profile, it is not possible to change it after the initial selection. Even if you change all the settings to be the equivalent of 'Pro', your times will appear in the leaderboard as 'Intermediate'.

XiondrapoS
14-09-2015, 22:59
Great thanks, I assume + means no assists and - means some assists?

You can actually just mouse over the symbols and then you'll get a list. The assists thing is still bugged if you've set them to real it will say you've driven with assists on (at least for me it did that).

Alex Hobbs
14-09-2015, 23:08
Hey guys, I'm in the process of making a vid about how to set up suspension, but it won't be done in time for anyone here to benefit from it. I believe in distributing knowledge and information as widely as possible for the benefit of others, so here is the raw script hopefully containing enough information to get people of all abilities to a level where they can make adjustments to the suspension and actually have an idea what they're doing. It's a lot of reading I know, but it's going to be a while before I can get the video done so for now this is the only format I have.

Good luck everyone, and I hope this helps :)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ghk5tZeFAjfuKeOdKHK_GmRhDhD2EY3UL23oyKGbV3s/edit?usp=sharing

cluck
14-09-2015, 23:10
Hey guys, I'm in the process of making a vid about how to set up suspension, but it won't be done in time for anyone here to benefit from it. I believe in distributing knowledge and information as widely as possible for the benefit of others, so here is the raw script hopefully containing enough information to get people of all abilities to a level where they can make adjustments to the suspension and actually have an idea what they're doing. It's a lot of reading I know, but it's going to be a while before I can get the video done so for now this is the only format I have.

Good luck everyone, and I hope this helps :)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ghk5tZeFAjfuKeOdKHK_GmRhDhD2EY3UL23oyKGbV3s/edit?usp=sharingWill give that a read tomorrow, thanks Alex :)

Giovtec
15-09-2015, 02:01
:devilish:

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:devilish:

SillySausage
15-09-2015, 03:39
I dropped like 10 positions in one night?!?! How close can these times be?!?!

falcon2081
15-09-2015, 04:13
I dropped like 10 positions in one night?!?! How close can these times be?!?!

They will drop even more. The "aliens" haven't posted anything yet lol.

NemethR
15-09-2015, 07:59
I set a time, tbh. I don't know how you guys are so much faster, as there are basicly only 3 braking zones, and the other corners are flat :D
Anyway, looking forward to the series, at least there will be someone who fights for last place :D

Pamellaaa
15-09-2015, 09:08
Hey guys, I'm in the process of making a vid about how to set up suspension, but it won't be done in time for anyone here to benefit from it. I believe in distributing knowledge and information as widely as possible for the benefit of others, so here is the raw script hopefully containing enough information to get people of all abilities to a level where they can make adjustments to the suspension and actually have an idea what they're doing. It's a lot of reading I know, but it's going to be a while before I can get the video done so for now this is the only format I have.

Good luck everyone, and I hope this helps :)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ghk5tZeFAjfuKeOdKHK_GmRhDhD2EY3UL23oyKGbV3s/edit?usp=sharing

Thanks Hobbs,

Very useful and a few things I can try out now, up until now by damper settings have been primarily based on moving sliders at random and seeing what happens!

Pamellaaa
15-09-2015, 11:36
Some updates :)

3 new teams added:




http://i.imgur.com/USSQ6jq.png
SCAR


Curleys #19


Alex Salmon
BumperCarrotNL


http://i.imgur.com/TvnIca5.png
Puffy V-tec Racing Team


Rimaa #44


PuffPirat
Gio_Vtec


http://i.imgur.com/J0Uq1oD.png
S.O.L Racing


Kmax #36


Stevie_F
AlexOki




Updated list of drivers without teammates:


Currently signed up drivers without teammates:

Stinger_LP
mcarver2000
BioForce
Bagaz (Mark Baggaley)
Quelus (Delilah)
Harabla






Spikegrw (relief)
Elmo (relief)
Nevil Wigbels (relief)
Iceman07 (relief)
Neil Bateman (relief)


First data entry into time tracking spreadsheet:


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(https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KubP1PvRo_Ng37_zE3N1fB-WclARr29bL8M7sjFfZlc/edit?usp=sharing)

TwistedNav
15-09-2015, 11:42
Very clear and concise description of suspension tuning, Hobbs, thank you.

cluck
15-09-2015, 11:45
I set a time, tbh. I don't know how you guys are so much faster, as there are basicly only 3 braking zones, and the other corners are flat :D
Anyway, looking forward to the series, at least there will be someone who fights for last place :DIn default setup all I can tell you is :-

S/F straight is flat out, obviously
First corner I take in 2nd, slow in and then mash the throttle about half way through it.
Second 'corner' I take in 4th with a slight lift of the throttle, hitting the inside kerb hard
Third corner I drop to 2nd and ease the throttle in.
Just hit the top of 3rd before braking early for the hairpin, which I have to take in 1st
About half way through the hairpin, mash the throttle, ease of a little as there's a hint of wheelspin and then it's foot flat to the floor to the end of the lap

It's a question of getting the right amount of power on, at the right time, out of the 1st and 3rd corners and the hairpin.

I still haven't run a perfect lap whereby I've taken each corner as quickly as I know I can in a single lap. Somehow I always fluff one of them up :(. Will try again tonight to see if I can bring my team average time down a tenth or two.

Hellbringer
15-09-2015, 11:48
Hi guys

I would like to participate in this, but please note I may not be able to make all of the races due to work commitments etc. I would hate to team up with someone and them feel I was letting them down via no-show's, so if anyone in a similar situation would like to team up, or I be place as relief driver, is that ok?

Pamellaaa
15-09-2015, 11:57
Hi guys

I would like to participate in this, but please note I may not be able to make all of the races due to work commitments etc. I would hate to team up with someone and them feel I was letting them down via no-show's, so if anyone in a similar situation would like to team up, or I be place as relief driver, is that ok?

I believe that Neil Bateman is in a similar situation, it might be worth contacting him to see if he wishes to form a (slightly part time) team.

Giovtec
15-09-2015, 14:22
http://i.imgur.com/PeWyjJD.png
[B]Important Addition:

It has come to my attention that the Ginetta G40 suffers from the Project Cars camber issue where the car performs better with 0 camber despite this not being accurate in the real world, although this has been seen by some to be a bug/exploit it is something in the game at present and it is something that we can not do anything about or legislate around as we simply cannot check the camber that any given car is running.

With this in mind setup remains completely free and all drivers are free to use any settings they so desire with the knowledge that this issue exists and many drivers find this is an advantage, it is therefore advised that everyone in setting their car up try running with 0 camber and if it improves the car stick with it.


@pam So regarding the camber issue can you confirm if those TT are being set with the 0 camber thingy?

BumperCarrotNL
15-09-2015, 14:26
I did use the 0.0 camber, made me about 0,4 faster. You are allowed to use it.

Giovtec
15-09-2015, 14:28
I did use the 0.0 camber, made me about 0,4 faster. You are allowed to use it.

ahh, well then, i wanted to double check the improvements.. :D

Puffpirat
15-09-2015, 14:28
@pam So regarding the camber issue can you confirm if those TT are being set with the 0 camber thingy?
Do it :p I will do it too if it makes the car faster :)

Giovtec
15-09-2015, 14:30
Do it :p I will do it too if it makes the car faster :)

Ok let's do it! just do it! ;)

cluck
15-09-2015, 14:37
If I see that by not using it, it adversely affects my team's average laptime then I will give in to the dark side and set camber to 0. Otherwise I shall be the lone beacon of purity amongst a sea of 'cheaters' :p.


EDIT : In a related note, what sort of times are the top guys putting in for Brands Indy? Just curious as there aren't that many times set on the leaderboard so I have no idea where I sit in the scheme of things. I still haven't pulled out a perfect lap (as ever, I always screw up something on each lap) but I know I'm only a few tenths at most from the best that I can wring out of the default setup.

Pamellaaa
15-09-2015, 14:45
We have no real option but to allow the removal of camber as we have no way to track what setup people are using, I didn't do much running before the change but by all accounts it is worth a few tenths so I would recommend that everyone at least tries it out, if it improves your car then stick with it.

MelBonkers
15-09-2015, 14:48
Will, I will do some tt runs this evening. I can't let you down mate ;-)

Gopher04
15-09-2015, 15:44
The 0 camber I don't think it will change, the last I heard they don't think it's anything that bad, and with the G40 it doesn't give as much of a boost compared with the Clio, I can match my times with or without the 0 camber, what you have to watch is the heat/tyre wear..

t0daY
15-09-2015, 16:09
Hello hello,

I did some changes to our teamspeak server. Every team got now their own channel with their name, picture of the livery and of course their drivers :) I thought its just a little nice gimmick, I'll try to keep it updated... if I forgot someone do not take it personal :p
If any team wants their own personal password for their channel you can pm me, write me a message in steam or in teamspeak and I will change it.

Good luck for tomorrow guys :) :)


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cluck
15-09-2015, 16:11
Hello hello,

I did some changes to our teamspeak server. Every team got now their own channel with their name, picture of the livery and of course their drivers :) I thought its just a little nice gimmick, I'll try to keep it updated... if I forgot someone do not take it personal :p
If any team wants their own personal password for their channel you can pm me, write me a message in steam or in teamspeak and I will change it.

Good luck for tomorrow guys :) :)

Fantastic stuff, thanks for that :).

Will Fly
15-09-2015, 16:14
Will, I will do some tt runs this evening. I can't let you down mate ;-)

I will be on as well Mo speak to you on ts

Neil Bateman
15-09-2015, 16:25
I believe that Neil Bateman is in a similar situation, it might be worth contacting him to see if he wishes to form a (slightly part time) team.

Just sent a message with the races i can and cannot race in, so if hellbringer fancies the idea maybe between us we can make most of the races.

Giovtec
15-09-2015, 16:58
The 0 camber I don't think it will change, the last I heard they don't think it's anything that bad, and with the G40 it doesn't give as much of a boost compared with the Clio, I can match my times with or without the 0 camber, what you have to watch is the heat/tyre wear..

well, i guess it will depend on drivers, i did lower it 0.35 in few laps, rather than yesterday more than 100 laps and it was hard to lower it..

TwistedNav
15-09-2015, 17:15
Thanks for all your hard work on TS Manu, but I can't enter my team lobby. Can you PM the default password, please? Thank you.

Puffpirat
15-09-2015, 18:41
If I see that by not using it, it adversely affects my team's average laptime then I will give in to the dark side and set camber to 0. Otherwise I shall be the lone beacon of purity amongst a sea of 'cheaters' :p.


EDIT : In a related note, what sort of times are the top guys putting in for Brands Indy? Just curious as there aren't that many times set on the leaderboard so I have no idea where I sit in the scheme of things. I still haven't pulled out a perfect lap (as ever, I always screw up something on each lap) but I know I'm only a few tenths at most from the best that I can wring out of the default setup.
Put in a time for you :) will be a fun race with those small toys ;)

Gopher04
15-09-2015, 18:43
Just a heads up guys with the G40, I was doing some testing in TT SP race, and online and it would be very wise to leave your front left tyre pressure at deafult, Pamellaa will confirm this, there seems to be a bug, if you go above 1.40 you will see a huge increase in temps and wear, I was running 1.48 and within 3 laps my front left was hitting 280F and was pretty much usless, 1.40 cancels this out, but if you want to go higher it be at your risk, I believe it is a known bug.

Pamellaaa
15-09-2015, 19:15
Just a heads up guys with the G40, I was doing some testing in TT SP race, and online and it would be very wise to leave your front left tyre pressure at deafult, Pamellaa will confirm this, there seems to be a bug, if you go above 1.40 you will see a huge increase in temps and wear, I was running 1.48 and within 3 laps my front left was hitting 280F and was pretty much usless, 1.40 cancels this out, but if you want to go higher it be at your risk, I believe it is a known bug.

Indeed, it is a weird one and according to this thread (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?37231-Ginetta-Junior-tire-overheating-bug) doesn't happen in practice or qualifying sessions pre-race so if you tune in free practice and then jump straight into a race you may not realise you have the issue until its too late. Given this it seems sensible to say that 1.40 is a recommended maximum, people are free to do what they want but should be warned that the problem exists.

Dio
15-09-2015, 19:49
So what time would you say that the races actually start? I am wondering since I may be able to race in this series.
I get off from work maybe 15 minutes before qualifying starts and it's a good 30 minute drive back to my house which puts me solidly at my place basically when the formation lap would be starting or around there.
I read in the OP that its a strict 19:00 start time for qualifying, but I know things happen, like disconnects and the sort, so would it be safe to assume that the race may start around 19:20 to 19:25 utc or am I just being too optimistic (or pessimistic), Haha.
But yeah with that said, I could run both races if I manage to make it home in time with the penalty of starting in the back, if official qualifying or the official race started about 5-10 minutes later than planned.

If it is impossible, its impossible. But in that case, what would be the over under that I could just run the second race and try not to muck up anybody's race?

Neil Bateman
15-09-2015, 21:05
I should be able to make tomorrow if there is a space but since my pc shut down on sunday i have been having a few issues with the graphics as well as game hanging on start up and shutdown.

Anyhow it didn't stop me from topping the TT leaderboard tonight at brands indy, i will make the most of it before the usual suspects come along and shoot me down.

Pamellaaa
15-09-2015, 21:33
So what time would you say that the races actually start? I am wondering since I may be able to race in this series.
I get off from work maybe 15 minutes before qualifying starts and it's a good 30 minute drive back to my house which puts me solidly at my place basically when the formation lap would be starting or around there.
I read in the OP that its a strict 19:00 start time for qualifying, but I know things happen, like disconnects and the sort, so would it be safe to assume that the race may start around 19:20 to 19:25 utc or am I just being too optimistic (or pessimistic), Haha.
But yeah with that said, I could run both races if I manage to make it home in time with the penalty of starting in the back, if official qualifying or the official race started about 5-10 minutes later than planned.

If it is impossible, its impossible. But in that case, what would be the over under that I could just run the second race and try not to muck up anybody's race?

Unlikely to get in for the first race as we will probably be running straight from qualifying into race so joining is likely to be shut out at around 19:12 or so. I have no problem with you joining the second race as a relief driver though and the first race as well if you can make it in time, it will be close though!

Pamellaaa
15-09-2015, 22:50
More changes, another team added:






http://i.imgur.com/AJZsxTC.png
Rage Don't Quit Racing


Imochi #16


Marek Haase
Love Story






And updated drivers without teammates list:


Currently signed up drivers without teammates:

Stinger_LP
mcarver2000
Bagaz (Mark Baggaley)
Quelus (Delilah)
Harabla
James D






Spikegrw (relief)
Elmo (relief)
Nevil Wigbels (relief)
Iceman07 (relief)

Neil Bateman (relief)

Neil Bateman
16-09-2015, 07:14
Me and hellbringer will be teaming up, will work on team name today and any livery that is available will be great.

falcon2081
16-09-2015, 07:43
Anyhow it didn't stop me from topping the TT leaderboard tonight at brands indy, i will make the most of it before the usual suspects come along and shoot me down.

Ooops! Already done lol.:cool:

Neil Bateman
16-09-2015, 10:30
Ooops! Already done lol.:cool:

Could have left it a little longer.:(

Pamellaaa
16-09-2015, 11:28
Ok guys, tonight is the pre-season race/test session, could I ask everyone to make sure that you are happy with the format and to have a quick read through of the first few posts again to make sure that you are familiar with the rules and regulations, the starting procedure and what is planned for this evening.

Could I also ask anyone who hasn't yet done an ATS session to learn the new starting procedure to be online a bit earlier than required where possible to allow us to do a quick run through of the procedure without delaying the start of the races or qualifying.

Tonights lobbies will be split according to the time trial system but this will be done in teamspeak this evening rather than formally in the thread as this will make it easier to talk to everyone initially and answer any questions people have before we split things up. I will ask people tonight to use the main Teamspeak G40 room (or the other designated room for the second lobby) and not the individual team rooms, we are going to work over the next week to get an easy to follow system active using the whisper button allowing people to talk to their teammates freely and to the whole group when required (by means of a push to talk button) but as we don't yet know who will be in each lobby and therefore haven't been able to organise the teamspeak rooms accordingly this system will not be in use tonight.

Please remember on Brands Hatch the pit lane feeds almost directly into the racing line, please be aware of this when leaving the pits and if there is a car approaching please wait to take your line allowing the faster car through.

During qualifying please have your headlights turned on if you are on a quick lap and off if you are on an out/in/slow lap, this will help people identify when they should and shouldn't yeild and will assist with keeping the chatter level as low as possible, please be patient during qualifying, remember this is a pre-season race and doesn't count towards the series in any way shape or form. The track will be very congested (more so than on any of the tracks on the main calendar) and you may not get a completely unimpeded lap in, there is no way around this and it will happen if you put 20+ cars on a very short track, be patient, drive cleanly and fairly and yeild to those on a fast lap where safe and appropriate.

Finally as this is the start of a formal league and understanding that the above whisper system will not be in place until the season proper starts next week we will ask that all communication during all race and qualifying sessions is kept to an absolute minimum leaving us with only essential communication!

I look forward to seeing you all on track this evening, I will be around in teamspeak from around 17:00 UTC if anyone has any questions.

Have fun guys!

cluck
16-09-2015, 11:37
Might as well get this out of the way now ... is the lobby up yet?

Really looking forward to tonight. I don't know about others, but this is the first time I've raced in a league so my excitement is tempered marginally by the immense fear I have of cocking it up completely :o. See you all on track later :).

Pamellaaa
16-09-2015, 11:39
Also updated the current time trial times for the lobby splitting spreadsheet: (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KubP1PvRo_Ng37_zE3N1fB-WclARr29bL8M7sjFfZlc/edit?usp=sharing)

218263

This will change significantly when I add in the nominal (slowest recorded time +1 second) for everyone yet to set a time, this won't happen for tonight as there has only been a couple of days of warning before this event but I will add this in over the next few days for anyone who hasn't submitted a time.

Dama The Crow
16-09-2015, 12:54
Make that 10:

218147

Me and Kman plowed hours into getting into the 48s now, so damn close!

Edit: I have heard they are bugged but has anyone got a quick explanation of what the icons are supposed to mean (I/P C/D W/G E/I +/-) ?

On this link you can see what that means when you set cursor on icon:

http://cars-stats-steam.wmdportal.com/index.php/leaderboard?track=3427627286&vehicle=310900789

MelBonkers
16-09-2015, 12:59
On this link you can see what that means when you set cursor on icon:

http://cars-stats-steam.wmdportal.com/index.php/leaderboard?track=3427627286&vehicle=310900789

Looks like Puffpirat and me are the only ones not having used driver's aids? Or is the bug that it's not shown correctly?

Puffpirat
16-09-2015, 13:02
Looks like Puffpirat and me are the only ones not having used driver's aids? Or is the bug that it's not shown correctly?
Yeah that should be the real aids showing as all aids bug. Otherwise cheaters ;) jk

Gopher04
16-09-2015, 13:03
Looks like Puffpirat and me are the only ones not having used driver's aids? Or is the bug that it's not shown correctly?

Still a leaderboard bug Mo, I only use real aids.

Gopher04
16-09-2015, 13:05
Ooops! Already done lol.:cool:

I really think you need to go to Specsavers falcon...:barbershop_quartet_

Giovtec
16-09-2015, 13:27
Looks like Puffpirat and me are the only ones not having used driver's aids? Or is the bug that it's not shown correctly?

Well the only thing i noticed is that you can turn ON/OFF assist in TT i set mine to Real (which in this case for Ginetta should be all assist OFF) but sometimes they are turn ON (as you can see most people has ON) that's why i set manually all to OFF (in this case for the Ginetta).

Gopher04
16-09-2015, 13:38
Well the only thing i noticed is that you can turn ON/OFF assist in TT i set mine to Real (which in this case for Ginetta should be all assist OFF) but sometimes they are turn ON (as you can see most people has ON) that's why i set manually all to OFF (in this case for the Ginetta).

Yeh I think your right, it doesn't seem to recognize real aids on the leaderboard, but manually set it does.

Will know at the next update for the leaderboard as I just set a faster time again, but this time turned off manually..

Giovtec
16-09-2015, 13:42
Yeh I think your right, it doesn't seem to recognize real aids on the leaderboard, but manually set it does.

Will know at the next update for the leaderboard as I just set a faster time again, but this time turned off manually..

yes, also it was a little bit annoying because it does not shows you the icons on the HUD like in other cars. so that is why i set manually all OFF

every time i was setting faster time it was with Assist ON, :/ so i have to work hard to beat it with Assist OFF.. xD

Giovtec
16-09-2015, 13:46
Also updated the current time trial times for the lobby splitting spreadsheet: (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KubP1PvRo_Ng37_zE3N1fB-WclARr29bL8M7sjFfZlc/edit?usp=sharing)

218263

This will change significantly when I add in the nominal (slowest recorded time +1 second) for everyone yet to set a time, this won't happen for tonight as there has only been a couple of days of warning before this event but I will add this in over the next few days for anyone who hasn't submitted a time.

Pam, from when did you get those times? (mine was set even before Falcon's time) because i can notice that my time is the only one not matching.

Pamellaaa
16-09-2015, 14:16
Pam, from when did you get those times? (mine was set even before Falcon's time) because i can notice that my time is the only one not matching.

Apologies, I just missed your time in my rush to get it done, fixed now:

218266

Link. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KubP1PvRo_Ng37_zE3N1fB-WclARr29bL8M7sjFfZlc/edit?usp=sharing)

Giovtec
16-09-2015, 14:23
Apologies, I just missed your time in my rush to get it done, fixed now:

218266

Link. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KubP1PvRo_Ng37_zE3N1fB-WclARr29bL8M7sjFfZlc/edit?usp=sharing)


Thank You !! ^^ :rolleyes:

Gopher04
16-09-2015, 14:39
Yeh I think your right, it doesn't seem to recognize real aids on the leaderboard, but manually set it does.

Will know at the next update for the leaderboard as I just set a faster time again, but this time turned off manually..

Yep we were right, if you turn off aids manually for TT it shows correctly..

KamyKaze1098
16-09-2015, 14:50
Sorry but please remove me from the sign up list.

Somethings came up and can't focus on racing for the moment.

Sorry Yera for breaking the team up.

cluck
16-09-2015, 15:01
Looks like Puffpirat and me are the only ones not having used driver's aids? Or is the bug that it's not shown correctly?Ahem, you've missed a few ;) (the '-' means no driver aids and autoclutch also turned off). I see others have answered the point about the LB being bugged in regards to what it registers if 'Real' is set on driver aids :).

EDIT : Forgot to say, how tight is that Snetterton leaderboard - 4th to 10th place separated by just 0.1s :o

falcon2081
16-09-2015, 15:06
Darn! I always forget to check my driving aids. Oh well.:suspicion: I did a couple of laps with all aids off and I was still still under Puff's time which is fine for me at the moment. I'm sure we he will beat it later lol.

Pamellaaa
16-09-2015, 15:38
Me and hellbringer will be teaming up, will work on team name today and any livery that is available will be great.

Thanks, I have added this to my to do list!

Puffpirat
16-09-2015, 15:39
Darn! I always forget to check my driving aids. Oh well.:suspicion: I did a couple of laps with all aids off and I was still still under Puff's time which is fine for me at the moment. I'm sure we he will beat it later lol.nope that's one hell of a time falcon! Without aero I'm only human ;)

falcon2081
16-09-2015, 16:29
nope that's one hell of a time falcon! Without aero I'm only human ;)

Oh please we all know you belong to the tier 1 Alien group! LOL.

MikeyTT
16-09-2015, 17:06
I shall be live streaming again tonight:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD_DllE8MZM

Hellbringer
16-09-2015, 18:02
Thanks, I have added this to my to do list!

I have registered myself officially and have put Neil as my teamate.

Midlands Motorsports, seeing as were both residing in the Midlands. Imaginative I know. Gone for the #50 livery please.

XiondrapoS
16-09-2015, 18:08
I just had this Tire Temperature Bug where my front left tire was at over 140°C at a tire pressure of 1.40. I was doing a race sim in a single player race session without AI opponents and it seemed to start after I had a spin. I did another test run right after without a spin and the temperatures stayed consistent for all 24 laps. Really strange this one.

Alex Hobbs
16-09-2015, 21:00
Well, that was intense :D race 1 was nothing special for me, just lapping and keeping track of my deltas, but race 2 was my favourite non-ncc race of all time. Was leading for a good long while but Gopher got the run on me and I psyched myself out when I tried to turn more than the car wanted to. Battled back up to 5th which I'm ok with, was still an amazing race :D

Neil Bateman
16-09-2015, 21:02
I have registered myself officially and have put Neil as my teamate.

Midlands Motorsports, seeing as were both residing in the Midlands. Imaginative I know. Gone for the #50 livery please.

Great minds think alike, thats what i was going to suggest when i saw your location.;)

Tricky
16-09-2015, 21:07
Lobby 2 First race results
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(one error, first two positions should be reversed)

Lobby 2 Second race results (sorry forgot to scroll down)
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cluck
16-09-2015, 21:07
Aside from a sync glitch in the parade lap (probably my brother doing something on his PC), which forced me to brake to avoid what I thought were 4 or 5 cars crashing, I had a lot of fun tonight. First race was awesome, lots of REALLY close nose-to-tail racing. Tonight re-inforced why this car is one of the most fun cars in the game for good old-fashioned racing.

Seriously psyched now for the first race proper :snowman:

Giovtec
16-09-2015, 21:14
Well, that was intense :D race 1 was nothing special for me, just lapping and keeping track of my deltas, but race 2 was my favourite non-ncc race of all time. Was leading for a good long while but Gopher got the run on me and I psyched myself out when I tried to turn more than the car wanted to. Battled back up to 5th which I'm ok with, was still an amazing race :D

yeahh,, you stole it from me... :< but in a silly attempt to keep it close i got penalty,, then WillFly (i guess) took 6th.. lesson learned..

But it was fun for me to race with all the Gents (Hats).

Cheersss!!

Ps: I have the best Teammate :rolleyes:

falcon2081
16-09-2015, 21:15
Race 1 - Was great for me. Had a great battle with Puff as usual until I made a dumb mistake going into turn 1 and hit the sand which slowed my car way too much.

Race 2 - t0day jinxed me before the race. I think him and Pam may have some voodoo dolls of myself and Miagi lol...Kidding. Anyways I made a stupid move during the formation lap. Weaved too hard and almost lost it and went into the grass so I was relegated to the back of the pack. I made my way during the race but got hit by FlyingKman's car before the last corner. I spun into the grass and my race was effectively over as I had 6% Aero DMG. Oh well. Lesson's learned but I had a great time.

quelus
16-09-2015, 22:01
My both races weren't lucky.

1st one - was running 7th, then someone decided to go 3-wide in the hairpin and made me spin. I dropped to 16th but managed to finish 8th.

2nd - someone lost control in the last corner, couldn't avoid him dropped to the end of the pack and wasn't able to reach the top 10.


Let's hope it won't happen when racing for points.
Overall it was fun and I like the standing start procedure.

Pamellaaa
16-09-2015, 22:14
Qualifying Results:

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Race 1 Results (Battenberg and Salmon are transposed here) :

218294218295
Race 2 results :

218298218299

Big thanks to everyone who attended and made the event so much fun!

I look forward to next Wednesday and doing it all again, I will start putting in the "penalty" times for people who haven't yet set a TT lap in the next few days to give people an idea of where they will be ranked come Monday :)

cluck
16-09-2015, 22:47
As if to reinforce how tight this league is going to be with this car, just look at our quali-times from the 'A' lobby - just 1.2 seconds separated 1st from 17th :o. I really cannot wait for next Wednesday :D.

SillySausage
17-09-2015, 04:57
Woo! 7th in the first race and 5th in the second and not even at my strongest track! I'm glad I'm in the B lobby, that way I actually have a fighting chance! Great close racing all round gents! Checamon's defensive driving in the first race has stuck in my head as a highlight. :)

Will Fly
17-09-2015, 07:09
race 1 had a coming together with Elmo got the short straw. (bloody Devs:D)
race 2 had the tyre bug front left was a nightmare to get round the right handers
well done to my team m8 Mo

great race all look forward to the real thing.

NemethR
17-09-2015, 07:28
Ohh, these two races were not the best for our team.

In the first race Checamon was fighting for 8th palce, but spun, and lost it.
And for technical reasons, he was not able to start the 2nd Race.

:(

As for me, I spun on the first lap of the 1st race, after that I catched up, but was spun a 2nd time around the end of the race, finally ended up 15th.
The 2nd Race started pretty good, I was up to 10th, but did a stupid move, and lost the car on the curbs...
Ended up in last palce, but had a lot of fun in the final laps, "fighting" with 7th and 8th palce (once they lapped me I chased them for some laps.)

one interesting thing was, that I qualified with a 54.6 time, and did similar laps in the 1st race.
In the Warmup before the 2nd race I followed MikeyTT and, I managed a 53.4 --> Learned his lines. (This was the 2nd fastest lap in the warmup, only MikeyTT was faster)
This was a revelation for me, maybe in the future I need to do such "stuff" again, to learn better lines :)

All in all, altough the races were to forget, I had lots of fun with you guys, as always :)

Tricky
17-09-2015, 07:32
Mikey - Since we were together the whole time I was thinking of combining our videos once your's is up. Should be entertaining.

YERA, did you record? would be interested in seeing our contact back, not that I don't believe you but even watching my video back I get the impression you were just behind me and not along side at all. It's possible the game was just not perfectly positioning the cars. I'd check the replay file but it was right at the end.

Neil Bateman
17-09-2015, 07:47
I watched my replay and had cars missing, cars stuck on the grid and incorrect liveries, sadly tricky yours was one of the cars missing so totally ruined the replay, i assume it was because you left and came back at some point.

Great races for me, mainly the second race, what a battle that was between the top 4.

falcon2081
17-09-2015, 08:22
It was decided that we would rather have everyone race than worry about having perfect replays. We will try and minimize having people leaving but things happen. The good thing is that having 21 people or so save their replays their will obviously be one person who will always have a intact replay. If need be we can have that person upload his replay for all of us to download and use. At least for the time being until the devs come out with a fix.

TwistedNav
17-09-2015, 08:23
Congratulations to all the admins responsible for putting this league together. As last night's races show, the format is a great one, and the racing intense throughout the grid. Another classic example of not needing big power to have big fun. Behaviour on track was exemplary all round.

Had a fantastic battle with Hellbringer during the second race which went on for a good 10 laps or so. Really looking forward to the league proper.

PzR Slim
17-09-2015, 08:25
Night to forget for me. Huge thanks to Tricky for hosting a well organised lobby.

Gopher04
17-09-2015, 08:50
First race for me was nothing exciting, finished 4th after a really bad start of the grid, god these cars need a power boost, race 2 was such a good race for atleast 15 laps I think, battling with Elmo, Hobbs, and someone else can't actually remember who, for 1st place, then at Graham Hill bend got clipped on the rear left which sent me off track, believe it was Hobbs, then seemed to suffer from a very hot tyre from there on.

Alex Hobbs
17-09-2015, 09:18
Wasnt me I'm afraid goph, we never made contact :) I wonder if the tyre overheating after damage is a bug or if the game actually simulates bodywork rubbing the tyre.

ZiggyUK
17-09-2015, 09:32
Congrats to my Team mate (MikeyTT) for an outstanding performance in the Riff Raff Racing Team. Sorry could not be there for the pre-season warm up but roll on next Wednesday. If the other RRR driver (Nick Claydon) is able to race next Wednesday then I will Relief drive for a team that needs it.

I will hopefully see some of you guys later as I need to do the "Standing Start" initiation training at the ATS tonight.

ZiggyUK
17-09-2015, 09:32
Convict Colony Racing ready for action!

PMSL at that one :encouragement:

ZiggyUK
17-09-2015, 09:32
Not sure if I'm going to get through the registration/induction process in time to take part but I've done a time anyway!

Your platform shows you as a XBOX1 user. TGC only runs PC events

ZiggyUK
17-09-2015, 09:33
Hi guys

I would like to participate in this, but please note I may not be able to make all of the races due to work commitments etc. I would hate to team up with someone and them feel I was letting them down via no-show's, so if anyone in a similar situation would like to team up, or I be place as relief driver, is that ok?

Don't forget you can have 3 man teams due to this situation.

ZiggyUK
17-09-2015, 09:33
So what time would you say that the races actually start? I am wondering since I may be able to race in this series.
I get off from work maybe 15 minutes before qualifying starts and it's a good 30 minute drive back to my house which puts me solidly at my place basically when the formation lap would be starting or around there.
I read in the OP that its a strict 19:00 start time for qualifying, but I know things happen, like disconnects and the sort, so would it be safe to assume that the race may start around 19:20 to 19:25 utc or am I just being too optimistic (or pessimistic), Haha.
But yeah with that said, I could run both races if I manage to make it home in time with the penalty of starting in the back, if official qualifying or the official race started about 5-10 minutes later than planned.

If it is impossible, its impossible. But in that case, what would be the over under that I could just run the second race and try not to muck up anybody's race?


Unlikely to get in for the first race as we will probably be running straight from qualifying into race so joining is likely to be shut out at around 19:12 or so. I have no problem with you joining the second race as a relief driver though and the first race as well if you can make it in time, it will be close though!

@Dio ... as far as I was aware you never progressed to PNC status and still remain a NCC. You need to attend further Thursday night meetings to obtain a PNC status. Once you have that you may then run in the leagues.

ZiggyUK
17-09-2015, 09:33
Me and hellbringer will be teaming up, will work on team name today and any livery that is available will be great.

That's brilliant news. Don't forget the relief drivers that are left can always fill in for you to gain "Team Points" when you are not available.

Gopher04
17-09-2015, 10:16
Wasnt me I'm afraid goph, we never made contact :) I wonder if the tyre overheating after damage is a bug or if the game actually simulates bodywork rubbing the tyre.

Well maybe there is still collision problem as someone clipped my rear left, normally if its not a heavy hit the culprit doesn't feel nout but the receiver does..as for the tyre overheating I would say a bug, I was caught on the RL, and my FR is what overheated, which doesn't take a hit on this track.

Tricky
17-09-2015, 10:20
Congrats to my Team mate (MikeyTT) for an outstanding performance in the Riff Raff Racing Team.

Mikey had a good race, I was witness to it all :) I lead both races at some points but there was very little between us pace wise, and Mikey held the the lead at the key times. The second race I couldn't hold the lead (had problems getting re-used to low fuel running after running a full tank first race), then Mikey's tactics/defensive line backed us up into 3rd and 4th behind. Things went a bit pear shaped for me then :)

Battenberg
17-09-2015, 10:38
This league is going to be sooo good. I had a fun 1st race recovering from a spin, and got into Alex S, cluck and photon's party towards the end of the race. The second race started well, but I damaged the car and kept falling back with silly spins.

Onto the next one!

Pamellaaa
17-09-2015, 10:52
With the tyre pressure thing Casey suggests here (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?37231-Ginetta-Junior-tire-overheating-bug&p=1119570&viewfull=1#post1119570) that its a warm pressure problem and that it hits a cliff of sorts


Excellent testing going on here, guys. Really helped track down the issue quickly. (it might have revealed two at the same time, in fact) Looks like it will be an easy fix, but for the short term try to keep the hot pressures below 1.8bar and you should be fine. I think the reason it doesn't happen in free practice and qualy is that you start on cold tires and never really get over the cliff where i turns bad.

So I guess contact or a slide which is out of the ordinary could heat the tyre up to a point where the pressure exceeds the tipping point and the problem occurs, 1.40 seems safe for most but if your driving style/setup is very heavy on tyre temps (and therefore pressures) you may need to set your cold pressure a bit lower to build in some safety margin. I was looking at my telemetry at points during yesterdays racing and was seeing pressure of 1.79bar on the grid which would have caused issues if I heated the tyres much further.

I think to combat this all we can say is that we will release the information on day and time of year and weather conditions early to give people an opportunity to thouroughly test their pressures to ensure they won't run into this problem, we can share knowledge to an extent but it will be slightly different for each driver as to how low your pressure needs to be to be safe, thankfully now we have pressure info in telemetry its easy enough to run laps while keeping an eye on the issue to see when it kicks in, hopefully this will be patched soon but until it is we have a workaround.

@Gopher04 - Getting it on the front right is new, does it display the same characteristics? I can only assume that it affects both fronts equally but we only tend to notice it on the left as most tracks are clockwise, I have been overheating my front right in Snetterton 100 Time Trial but I put that down to a lack of straights to cool the tyre and pushing very hard on a very heavily left hand biased track it could have been a symptom of the same issue but one that was less obvious than it is at Brands.



@Dio ... as far as I was aware you never progressed to PNC status and still remain a NCC. You need to attend further Thursday night meetings to obtain a PNC status. Once you have that you may then run in the leagues.

He was promoted a couple of weeks back, at Ruapuna in Frookies, if memory serves, I am sure Hobbs will know what happened with this although I suspect its another case of changed name or steam name causing confusion.

Gopher04
17-09-2015, 11:07
@Gopher04 - Getting it on the front right is new, does it display the same characteristics? I can only assume that it affects both fronts equally but we only tend to notice it on the left as most tracks are clockwise, I have been overheating my front right in Snetterton 100 Time Trial but I put that down to a lack of straights to cool the tyre and pushing very hard on a very heavily left hand biased track it could have been a symptom of the same issue but one that was less obvious than it is at Brands.

No I don't think it is the same bug, after the knock on the left and ending up on the grass the RF for some reason just suffered for what ever reason, it wasn't the brown tyre, is was still green, but 210 in temp but was was getting alot of tyre wear which is unusal for the track, normally for me the FR is the coolest tyre.

Glad we found some good stuff for Casey, just call us the Bug Hunters.

Pamellaaa
17-09-2015, 11:21
No I don't think it is the same bug, after the knock on the left and ending up on the grass the RF for some reason just suffered for what ever reason, it wasn't the brown tyre, is was still green, but 210 in temp but was was getting alot of tyre wear which is unusal for the track, normally for me the FR is the coolest tyre.

Glad we found some good stuff for Casey, just call us the Bug Hunters.

Weird, I have heard of some issues after a trip to the grass where the tyre seems to have permanently reduced grip but I thought it happened to all tyres at the same time and mostly in the wet.

On the subject of bug hunting I have a theory about why we sometimes get different finishing positions to those we see on the track (Like Tricky-Mikey and Battenberg-Salmon) that I would like to test, if I get a chance tonight I will see if I can grab someone and try it out.

Timmynator
17-09-2015, 11:21
2nd - someone lost control in the last corner, couldn't avoid him dropped to the end of the pack and wasn't able to reach the top 10.


That might've been me, I got into a drift going into the last corner (around P5 at that time) in the first lap and ended up backwards in the grass having to let the entire field pass except the very last car. I thought I might've hit someone while out of control, so I asked in TS after the race but looks like you were already gone. So sorry if I negatively impacted your race.

OTOH, despite spinning out in Race 2 I really found some pace and managed to claw my way back to P9 from second to last. Wow it's fun if you have a fast car :) Had some nice close racing with Mark Baggaley for some laps, I think we switched positions a few times.

Good call of the organizers to split the groups performance-wise, our group was really close.

Pamellaaa
17-09-2015, 11:30
Good call of the organizers to split the groups performance-wise, our group was really close.

Glad it worked well for you, the pace was close in our lobby too with 17 cars qualifying within 1.2 seconds!

In truth yesterdays split was a bit of a bodge as we don't have laptimes from everyone yet (as there was only a couple of days notice given) and I tried to split evenly based on who was online rather than everyone who has signed up to compete. Come Monday when the time trial closes and we know what the split will be throughout the season things should be even closer as the split will be based on everyones performance and will be carried throughout the season :)

Martin G Webb
17-09-2015, 11:40
I'm really pleased to hear that the split went well. The admin team put a lot of time and effort into a system that would be fair but kept the performance and racing close.

Feedback is always welcome, especially positive stuff when the admin's have put time and effort into trying to make things fair, without being heavy handed.

Great work on this guys, well done.

SillySausage
17-09-2015, 12:05
I'm really pleased to hear that the split went well. The admin team put a lot of time and effort into a system that would be fair but kept the performance and racing close.

Feedback is always welcome, especially positive stuff when the admin's have put time and effort into trying to make things fair, without being heavy handed.

Great work on this guys, well done.

Great work organising last night gents! :)

Just one thing I think Jakey and I were discussing before the race last night, for those you aren't able to regularly check the forum, the notice regarding the Snetterton qualifier seemed to slip through the cracks for a lot of people (even though it is on the first page). I know I personally basically stumbled upon the notice by chance and quite a few people in lobby B never saw it before it was shunted down the pages of the forum. Might I just suggest maybe sending the notice out as a separate email to all participants just to make sure everyone knows to set a time before they're 'penalised' without knowing why.

Pamellaaa
17-09-2015, 12:15
Great work organising last night gents! :)

Just one thing I think Jakey and I were discussing before the race last night, for those you aren't able to regularly check the forum, the notice regarding the Snetterton qualifier seemed to slip through the cracks for a lot of people (even though it is on the first page). I know I personally basically stumbled upon the notice by chance and quite a few people in lobby B never saw it before it was shunted down the pages of the forum. Might I just suggest maybe sending the notice out as a separate email to all participants just to make sure everyone knows to set a time before they're 'penalised' without knowing why.

Thanks, and good thinking on the email, I will see what I can do.

Yeratel84
17-09-2015, 12:30
Mikey - Since we were together the whole time I was thinking of combining our videos once your's is up. Should be entertaining.

YERA, did you record? would be interested in seeing our contact back, not that I don't believe you but even watching my video back I get the impression you were just behind me and not along side at all. It's possible the game was just not perfectly positioning the cars. I'd check the replay file but it was right at the end.

I didn't record it but can check my replay and record that (it wasn't a short race anyway and I'm free today)

EDIT: Can't record it given your car's not showing on my replay (that and both Neil and Tricky have matching liveries, both different from those they used last night)

XiondrapoS
17-09-2015, 12:51
So I guess contact or a slide which is out of the ordinary could heat the tyre up to a point where the pressure exceeds the tipping point and the problem occurs, 1.40 seems safe for most but if your driving style/setup is very heavy on tyre temps (and therefore pressures) you may need to set your cold pressure a bit lower to build in some safety margin. I was looking at my telemetry at points during yesterdays racing and was seeing pressure of 1.79bar on the grid which would have caused issues if I heated the tyres much further.

@Gopher04 - Getting it on the front right is new, does it display the same characteristics? I can only assume that it affects both fronts equally but we only tend to notice it on the left as most tracks are clockwise, I have been overheating my front right in Snetterton 100 Time Trial but I put that down to a lack of straights to cool the tyre and pushing very hard on a very heavily left hand biased track it could have been a symptom of the same issue but one that was less obvious than it is at Brands.



No I don't think it is the same bug, after the knock on the left and ending up on the grass the RF for some reason just suffered for what ever reason, it wasn't the brown tyre, is was still green, but 210 in temp but was was getting alot of tyre wear which is unusal for the track, normally for me the FR is the coolest tyre.

I had this bug once on my front left only in a practice race (with damage turned off) and in the second race yesterday in both front tyres. The 210° (I presume Fahrenheit, which would be around 100°C) on the front right was a few degree under what I was experiencing, however that might just be down to the fact that I basically suffered from this bug from the start of the race. My front left was getting up to a toasty 150°C which basically made it impossible to take any of the right handers decently. I also may have noticed an increase in my front left break temperature, but I'm not absolutely certain of that.

MelBonkers
17-09-2015, 18:50
Well, those were two fantastic races! In the first race I snatched 5th spot in qualifying less than 1 minute from the finish of the qualifying session. I had a bad start and lost 2 places or so. Then I got a contact with someone and fell back in the field. I also had a small contact with XiondrapoS (sorry! my bad!) that made him spin on the grass. I waited for him to rejoin and pass me and then I continued my race. I concentrated on trying to work my way back up the field, but in the end 11th place was the maximum I could get out of that race. The second race however was far better than expected. Started 11th and worked my way up to 6th place. By that time I was the first of the non-aliens chasing the alien group. Two cars made contact in front of us (Gopher and Hobbs?) which brought me in 4th place. My goal then was to clinch on nr. 3 (today) and don't let the gap grow more than 1 second. When we crossed the finish I was 8 or 9 tenths behind today, which really made my day. This felt like a victory. I had the pace, was very consistent, didn't make any mistake and could hold on to the aliens. I hope this promises to be a great and intense season and this race gave me confidence to score some points.

See you all on Sunday!

MikeyTT
17-09-2015, 19:33
Quite an eventful race at the time, although reviewing the video now it really doesn't show how close Tricky was harassing me throughout the entire race, or races actually. One of the closest two races I've had for a while, where it really was nose to tail most of the way.

@Tricky - If you want to do a combination video, then I'd love to see that.

Race 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuDTMwJ_M0E

Race 1 Highlights:
00:34 - Get a nudge into T1, and yield to Tricky, now sat in P2
02:05 - Line up well for the last corner and outdrag Tricky for P1
02:45 - Get a poor exit and lose P1, Tricky back in front
06:20 - Get a great exit and get P1 back
12:15 - Make a meal of passing a backmarker and risk Tricky getting too close
19:10 - Bit of contact, and Tricky yields any position he would have gained
20:20 - Close finish, with me maintaining P1

Race 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9nURFD4CPA

Race 2 Highlights:
01:00 - After a poor start I tried to hang onto P1 through T1, but had to yield into T2 to Tricky, now sat in P2
02:38 - Get a good run down the main straight and outbrake Tricky to regain P1
16:05 - Tricky makes a move in T1 and takes P1 off me
17:10 - Good run through T1 and I regain my P1 position back by T2
17:40 - Slow on purpose to back Tricky into P3 :)
17:55 - Big slide through T1
20:35 - Finish the 2nd race in P1, after what was quite a fraught race trying to stay in-front and not make any mistakes

Giovtec
18-09-2015, 06:52
This is what i think Puffy. :rolleyes:

Puffy V-tec Racing Team HYPE!!:cool:

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Puffpirat
18-09-2015, 07:39
Wow! Who's the alien now ;)

falcon2081
18-09-2015, 14:55
Wow! Great to see my apprentice becoming a alien lol. Guess those late night practice/talks are helping out. Great job.

Giovtec
18-09-2015, 15:13
Wow! Great to see my apprentice becoming a alien lol. Guess those late night practice/talks are helping out. Great job.

yeah I've been practicing during night which helps me to stay more focus, unfortunately our Time Zone for the race events is on the early afternoon so, it's hard to stay focused because there is more activity around me :/

SillySausage
18-09-2015, 16:05
yeah I've been practicing during night which helps me to stay more focus, unfortunately our Time Zone for the race events is on the early afternoon so, it's hard to stay focused because there is more activity around me :/

Poor you! I do our races at 5AM! :)

Giovtec
18-09-2015, 17:23
Poor you! I do our races at 5AM! :)

believe it or not, i would rather that schedule.. xD

Pamellaaa
18-09-2015, 18:02
OK, another update, two new teams added, and one removed as KamyKaze unfortunately had to drop out, new teams:




http://i.imgur.com/qM5dFQj.png
http://i.imgur.com/IyHSc6M.png
Midland Motorsport


Bielik Racing #12 & #13


Neil Bateman
Hellbringer


http://i.imgur.com/NB62pqm.png
Strike Team


Borda #50


Stinger_LP
Mark Baggaley







I have made some assumptions about liveries here, if anyone wishes to change anything please let me know :)

Updated list of drivers seeking teammates:




Currently signed up drivers without teammates:

Yeratel84
mcarver2000
Quelus (Delilah)
Harabla
James D






Spikegrw (relief)
Elmo (relief)
Nevil Wigbels (relief)
Iceman07 (relief)


I think I am now up to date with almost everything, I will aim to get the timing spreadsheet updated tonight with up to date times and the nominal times for those who haven't completed a lap but it may have to be tomorrow as there is current rugby (and :very_drunk:) to attend to!

Marek Haase
18-09-2015, 20:04
It was fun racing on Wednesday.

From my perspective:

Race 1:


https://youtu.be/6Xvr5AlPnQ4

Race 2:


https://youtu.be/RczHyhL0F4s

MelBonkers
18-09-2015, 20:43
YES YES YES YES YES!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d27gTrPPAyk&feature=youtu.be&t=54s
P.s. the french comments under the video are just hillarious!

cluck
18-09-2015, 21:14
god help any mere mortals trying to get on the Snetterton 100 leaderboard :D.

(and that includes me now, by the looks of it :o)

MelBonkers
18-09-2015, 22:21
god help any mere mortals trying to get on the Snetterton 100 leaderboard :D.

(and that includes me now, by the looks of it :o)

Hahahahaha! Top 40 all entrees for the G40 league :D

Gopher04
19-09-2015, 08:43
god help any mere mortals trying to get on the Snetterton 100 leaderboard :D.

(and that includes me now, by the looks of it :o)

Better get your arse in gear teamie..:chargrined:

Tricky
19-09-2015, 09:24
...

Here are my combined videos; (top half is me, lower half is Mikey)

Race 1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bh3xkuFBZo


Race 2

Second race is still processing.

EDIT: 8hrs later... STILL processing

cluck
19-09-2015, 09:25
Better get your arse in gear teamie..:chargrined:Tell me about it :o. I'm going to need some setup help or some driving tips if I'm to set a faster time because I've reached the limit of what I can do both here and at Donington :(. One thing I know that isn't helping me is my slightly iffy throttle but, really, I'm all out of talent now :(.

EDIT : I've taken another look at that leaderboard table. The top 30 places are separated by one second. That is utterly insane!

mcarver2000
19-09-2015, 16:15
Unless someone steps up and offers to join, it looks as if Terrestrial Racing will be forced to run a 1-man "team".

Pamellaaa
19-09-2015, 19:02
Leaderboard (http://cars-stats-steam.wmdportal.com/index.php/leaderboard?track=3427627286&vehicle=310900789)times have been updated, I have added in the nominal times for all those who haven't submitted a time yet, link is here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KubP1PvRo_Ng37_zE3N1fB-WclARr29bL8M7sjFfZlc/edit?usp=sharing):

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As always if I have missed anyones time, you aren't shown on here or I have made a mistake let me know and I will correct it!

x ImJakeyy
19-09-2015, 19:18
Well this isn't looking good for me, just went to do some practice for the race, and my pedal cable seems to have finally died.

Getting messed up throttle, Brake and clutch measurements, going to try and get a G25 connector and self repair, or if I can find some G25 pedals local at a cheap price :)

Pamellaaa
19-09-2015, 19:24
Link updated at the request of an unnamed German fellow who name refers to the current 24 hour period we are in, Link here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KubP1PvRo_Ng37_zE3N1fB-WclARr29bL8M7sjFfZlc/edit?usp=sharing), Image here:

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t0daY
19-09-2015, 19:37
Link updated at the request of an unnamed German fellow who name refers to the current 24 hour period we are in, Link here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KubP1PvRo_Ng37_zE3N1fB-WclARr29bL8M7sjFfZlc/edit?usp=sharing), Image here:

Lalalalalalalala :D :D Mad Maaaaaax!! :D Thanks for updating my time <3

Giovtec
19-09-2015, 20:05
Link updated at the request of an unnamed German fellow who name refers to the current 24 hour period we are in, Link here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KubP1PvRo_Ng37_zE3N1fB-WclARr29bL8M7sjFfZlc/edit?usp=sharing), Image here:

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Just lower mine (again) :cool: but no worries, it will be lowering more later,, ;) hehe