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Krus Control
18-11-2015, 19:45
I thought, in light of the low time trial participation across all of PCARS that we could all benefit from a thread where people post their best times or times that they've been chasing. Use this site if you haven't been: http://pcars.13ms.de/

My times (I'm GT86 Lover):
Anything I've done at Azure Coast. A few are faster than others but all are top notch. You probably won't catch any. And if you do you can be sure I'll be revisiting.
300SL and SEL at Nordschleife. These aren't perfect but are very fast.
Ford Escort at Bathurst. Edged somebody out for this time. Quite fast.

Times I can't beat:
ducduc (forza VR 46) RS500 at Imola: 1:48.141 craziness
Algo 300SEL at Brands Hatch GP: 1:43.705
80Daze Aston DBR1/300 at Donnington GP: 1:46.939

5layerDave
19-11-2015, 07:35
Inspired me to have a play around with the GT86 family ( Including the Scion ) . I have a few decent times on a handful of tracks. Not sure I really want to put a public target on any of them for the sake of my own ego. Just put the #1 times at Azure stage1 for the 86 and the GT86 and the Scion. I'll try with the quicker versions of both, then move to stage 2. I'll try and keep you motivated to go faster. edit, now with Rocket Bunny versions also.
It appears to smash me into the wall after I cross the line, so all those above times have been set with me hitting the brakes to stop on the finish line. Now onto stage2.

EvoM3
19-11-2015, 08:54
I thought, in light of the low time trial participation across all of PCARS that we could all benefit from a thread where people post their best times or times that they've been chasing. Use this site if you haven't been: http://pcars.13ms.de/

My times (I'm GT86 Lover):
Anything I've done at Azure Coast. A few are faster than others but all are top notch. You probably won't catch any. And if you do you can be sure I'll be revisiting.
300SL and SEL at Nordschleife. These aren't perfect but are very fast.
Ford Escort at Bathurst. Edged somebody out for this time. Quite fast.

Times I can't beat:
ducduc (forza VR 46) RS500 at Imola: 1:48.141 craziness
Algo 300SEL at Brands Hatch GP: 1:43.705
80Daze Aston DBR1/300 at Donnington GP: 1:46.939

Quite fast? I just beat your Bathurst/Escort time by a full second. :)

iKasbian
19-11-2015, 10:13
Makes me laugh, these so called 'aliens' giving it the big 'I AM' and then being shot down in flames :p

I'd like you guys to get off your PC's with your shiny steering wheels and try to replicate your times on the Xbox with a controller, trust me, you'll fail.

5layerDave
19-11-2015, 10:21
I just tried Bathurst in the Escort and I am laughably off pace.

5layerDave
19-11-2015, 10:22
Why would anyone want to do this without a wheel?

iKasbian
19-11-2015, 12:23
Why would anyone want to do this without a wheel?


:confused:

Well, more people play Pcars without a wheel than with so there must be some kind of draw to it :rolleyes:

Keep trying! :D

5layerDave
19-11-2015, 12:39
I played V Rally with a Playstation 1 controller , tapping away like a madman in the Evo but still, a wheel makes ProjectCars feel pretty good to me. I have no doubt it would take me many hours to become anywhere near as capable with an xbox controller, if I even could.

Does anyone know if smashing into the wall after crossing the finish line on Azure Stage 1 renders the time invalid?

Krus Control
19-11-2015, 12:39
That's friggin fast at Bathust M3. I'll have to give it another go. My other times mentioned are honestly more competitive though.

5layerDave
19-11-2015, 13:38
Krus, your Nordschleife Mercedes300SEL time is smoking. Congrats. I'm 26 seconds off it! Please tell me you have tweaked the car's settings. Mine is completely stock. Really fun car to throw about. I'll be trying to get my time much closer.

Krus Control
19-11-2015, 14:02
I've always thought that 8:18 is possible but haven't locked one in. Actually the track limits were a bit more extreme and tight when I set this. Now you can set a faster time by running wide in certain places. Anyway here is my setup:
222341
Diff at 25% acc and 46% dec
Longitudinal bias 55.5%

PTG Baby Cow
19-11-2015, 19:01
Krus ur on pc right?

If i recall the times dont cross platform as equally as one would hope.

Krus Control
19-11-2015, 19:20
Yeah I'm on PC. Leaderboards are separate, but the conditions are identical and the exact same laps are possible across all platforms.

iKasbian
19-11-2015, 19:51
Yeah I'm on PC. Leaderboards are separate, but the conditions are identical and the exact same laps are possible across all platforms.


You're entitled to your opinion, however, your opinion is wrong.

Krus Control
19-11-2015, 20:02
What is different on consoles then?

RomKnight
19-11-2015, 20:15
The controller for those who don't play with a wheel :)

PTG Baby Cow
20-11-2015, 03:37
Pretty sure it's not as exact replica as everyone thinks. Know a few guys I play with that have it on xbox and pc and say they can't do the same laptimes on both.

iKasbian
20-11-2015, 12:03
What is different on consoles then?


Depends alot on car, wheel also gives a clear advantage.

Many top hotlappers have stated they can't replicate times across platforms.



What makes you so cock sure theres no difference then? wheres your proof?

Bealdor
20-11-2015, 12:14
What makes you so cock sure theres no difference then? wheres your proof?

Here:


The physics code is absolutely identical. There had to be some other variation there.


I can assure you the physics code is identical.

:)

iKasbian
20-11-2015, 12:58
Here:





:)




I'm going on personal experience and what top hotlappers have told me/I've seen. I've never been more than a second or so off top hotlappers all through forza series and yet now its perfectly acceptable I'm as much as 5 seconds off PC times? :confused:

You're telling me to just 'forget all that'?

iKasbian
20-11-2015, 13:04
http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?30539-DTA-Nordschleife-Stage-3-HLC-Completed

Look at the leaderboard on that time trial a friend of mine held.


Before that one of the quickest guys ever to play FM4 was thrashed by almost 2 seconds by a pc guy.

One of the top hotlappers on Xbox stated wheel users have huge advantage in slower cars thanks to much less tyre scrub (I can find his quote if you think I'm dreaming it up).

Anyway, theres differences, I'm sure of it. Don't know why, but there is.

Krus Control
20-11-2015, 13:15
Kinda sounds to me like this is just a stupid opinion of yours.

iKasbian
20-11-2015, 13:19
Kinda sounds to me like this is just a stupid opinion of yours.

You know what, I wasn't expecting anything different from yourself...




Quite fast? I just beat your Bathurst/Escort time by a full second. :)


LOL

Krus Control
20-11-2015, 13:21
The reason I started this thread is so that people would beat the times I posted.

iKasbian
20-11-2015, 13:26
The reason I started this thread is so that people would beat the times I posted.


With your setup I'd take more than a second, trust me.

Krus Control
20-11-2015, 13:33
Even tough you didn't even ask nicely
222396
Diff at 7% acc and 42% dec
Gearing at lowest

These times are fast. Even a second down I would call my time fast.

iKasbian
20-11-2015, 13:35
Even tough you didn't even ask nicely
222396
Diff at 7% acc and 42% dec
Gearing at lowest

These times are fast. Even a second down I would call my time fast.


I was referring to this setup :-

GTX670
AMD 8120 8 core 3.8GHz
Windows 7 Ultimate 64
Thrustmaster TX
Fanatec Clubsport Elite




:rolleyes:




You've given me that setup as if that'll make all the difference and yet you said not that long ago :-

"I'm sorry to hear that. Is quite fast with a wheel. Well there is nothing I can do for gamepad users. I would advise trying tighter front dampers but maybe the setup is just incompatible with gamepad driving."


Pfft...

Krus Control
20-11-2015, 14:34
And I'll bet you think you know how to drive.

PTG Baby Cow
20-11-2015, 14:36
:)


I was not saying its a physics issue. I think its more of a hardware performance difference. For instance it is a known issue that the more cars you have on track with you the slower the times are. I think it can be similar for pc performance over the inferior piece of hardware known as xbox. I have seen frame rate drops in tt with me and 1 ghost on track, something im sure someone with a decent pc never does in tt mode. Frame rate drops cause time discrepencies. There truly is a difference between pc times and xbox times that is not related to driver skill. As i said i play with a few guys that have both pc and xbox, very consistent drivers, using the same input hardware (wheel) on both xbox and pc yet they cant match their times on pc/xbox. I also know of a few other consistent top xbox hotlappers that can not match times across platforms.

This has nothing to do with who is better, or if the physics are different. I believe the physics are exaclty the same, and dont have anyone arguing that. It is the same game, its just that 1:00 is not equal to 1:00 on the other platform.

iKasbian
20-11-2015, 14:41
And I'll bet you think you know how to drive.


200+ unassisted times on fm4 and long distant lorry driver for 15 yrs.... yea, got some idea, kid.

Krus Control
20-11-2015, 14:44
haha FM4 is such a joke. So you're good at a video game. That is absolutely not qualification for being good at driving. And if you think that long distance trucks have anything to do with cars on a racetrack that's just silly.

Bealdor
20-11-2015, 14:52
Come on guys, keep the disussion civil please.


I was not saying its a physics issue. I think its more of a hardware performance difference. For instance it is a known issue that the more cars you have on track with you the slower the times are. I think it can be similar for pc performance over the inferior piece of hardware known as xbox. I have seen frame rate drops in tt with me and 1 ghost on track, something im sure someone with a decent pc never does in tt mode. Frame rate drops cause time discrepencies. There truly is a difference between pc times and xbox times that is not related to driver skill. As i said i play with a few guys that have both pc and xbox, very consistent drivers, using the same input hardware (wheel) on both xbox and pc yet they cant match their times on pc/xbox. I also know of a few other consistent top xbox hotlappers that can not match times across platforms.

This has nothing to do with who is better, or if the physics are different. I believe the physics are exaclty the same, and dont have anyone arguing that. It is the same game, its just that 1:00 is not equal to 1:00 on the other platform.

Yeah, I've seen those lap time issues with many cars on track.
But I highly doubt that the XBONE has issues with a single car on track.

Krus Control
20-11-2015, 14:58
This is interesting though if there is indeed a difference between platforms. So also I guess if you don't have the fastest PC your times would suffer.

Bealdor
20-11-2015, 15:01
This is interesting though if there is indeed a difference between platforms. So also I guess if you don't have the fastest PC your times would suffer.

During late development I was able to test the game with my (back then new) main rig and my second rig (see my sig) and I didn't see any differences in my lap times in TT mode.

Krus Control
20-11-2015, 15:02
So from those of you who have seen this, how big of a difference is there between platforms?

PTG Baby Cow
20-11-2015, 15:04
Come on guys, keep the disussion civil please.



Yeah, I've seen those lap time issues with many cars on track.
But I highly doubt that the XBONE has issues with a single car on track.

I have seen it myself bealdor. I will get frame rate drops going into a corner or hard braking zone, and the car basically lag jumps to where it should be. I wish there were ways to show my framerate on xbox i would record a video. Even on track alone with a ghost this happens. Xbox isnt even capable of holding a steady frame rate with one car on track. I would venture to guess it has drops down to 20 fps. Which would have a profound effect on lap times.

Krus Control
20-11-2015, 15:21
I have seen it myself bealdor. I will get frame rate drops going into a corner or hard braking zone, and the car basically lag jumps to where it should be..

I get this online sometimes and it does affect laptime.

iKasbian
20-11-2015, 15:39
So from those of you who have seen this, how big of a difference is there between platforms?



Well, you have clearly boo hooed my opinion as you don't think I'm qualified enough... but still. It really depends on car and length of track.

Krus Control
20-11-2015, 16:07
Honestly it sounds like the difference is very small. Also some PC users are experiencing low frame rates and bad performance as well. Just look at how much AMD card users have complained in the past. It might not be as bad as XBOX but there is still this frame slowing on many PCs. I know I had a frame skip once and it saved in the replay and I lost over a tenth because of it. Even on XBOX times would be inconsistent on the same platform.

iKasbian
20-11-2015, 16:24
Honestly it sounds like the difference is very small. Also some PC users are experiencing low frame rates and bad performance as well. Just look at how much AMD card users have complained in the past. It might not be as bad as XBOX but there is still this frame slowing on many PCs. I know I had a frame skip once and it saved in the replay and I lost over a tenth because of it. Even on XBOX times would be inconsistent on the same platform.



TBH, Kid, your opinion is groundless, the way you promenade around this place like some superior being and then get shot down in flames....


Get some sun, failing that get some vitamin pills...

PTG Baby Cow
20-11-2015, 16:27
I've gotten those skips that were worth .1 if not more in 5 places. Literally I think it can be worth a second difference across platform depending on, how good the pc is, and how good the particular xbox is. My team won't do cross platform comps specifically for this reason. A guy on my team claims around 1 second faster on pc.

Krus Control
20-11-2015, 16:42
TBH, Kid, your opinion is groundless, the way you promenade around this place like some superior being and then get shot down in flames....


Get some sun, failing that get some vitamin pills...

Honestly I don't know where you come up with this. Me being "shot down in flames" certainly did not happen. There is no such thing as an unbeatable lap. I started this thread to have some competition on specific laps and it worked great. I don't know why you think I'm promenading around because it's just not the case. I at no point acted superior. Basically nothing you have said here has any basis in reality.

Krus Control
20-11-2015, 16:46
If you're experiencing these frame skips the literal time discrepancy is a problem. But you will be losing more time just by having to drive through this and deal with a changing world speed. If you're getting these skips often it would indeed be seconds on a track like Nordschleife.

iKasbian
20-11-2015, 17:07
I don't know why you think I'm promenading around because it's just not the case. I at no point acted superior. Basically nothing you have said here has any basis in reality.


You need a reality check then sunshine.

Theres lots of users on this forum pissed off with your high almighty preaching


You've belittled my opinion on this particular issue, even though Its not just me stating it, many top class hotlappers say the same thing.

Krus Control
20-11-2015, 17:19
The
You need a reality check then sunshine.

Theres lots of users on this forum pissed off with your high almighty preaching


You've belittled my opinion on this particular issue, even though Its not just me stating it, many top class hotlappers say the same thing.

Again you're just making things up. I'm a pretty typical participant of this forum. There are just absolutely not lots of users pissed off about me. That's preposterous. My belittling your opinion was only in response to you belittling mine. Instead of explaining real issue like baby cow you just pronounced me wrong. I don't know what you think you're accomplishing but all I see is you looking stupid.

iKasbian
20-11-2015, 17:26
The

Again you're just making things up. I'm a pretty typical participant of this forum. There are just absolutely not lots of users pissed off about me. That's preposterous. My belittling your opinion was only in response to you belittling mine. Instead of explaining real issue like baby cow you just pronounced me wrong. I don't know what you think you're accomplishing but all I see is you looking stupid.


You need to go through the posts... it was you who belittled my opinion and then my ability, even go as far as saying FM4 doesn't provide a certain skill set needed to have an opinion...

Krus Control
20-11-2015, 18:09
If I offended you it was because I don't like you.

iKasbian
20-11-2015, 18:13
If I offended you it was because I don't like you.


Ah, so this is the real reason, nothing to do with facts in the matter at hand ( as I have produced), your argument is as shallow and egotistical as you are...

Go away, you spotty little git...

Krus Control
20-11-2015, 18:42
I honestly don't even know what you're arguing about any more.

Bealdor
20-11-2015, 18:50
Last warning guys, stop the handbagging or this thread is done and warnings will get handed out.
Take your personal issues to PM if you must.

iKasbian
20-11-2015, 19:00
I honestly don't even know what you're arguing about any more.



I was never arguing, it was you who stated this :-


Yeah I'm on PC. Leaderboards are separate, but the conditions are identical and the exact same laps are possible across all platforms.


But could only back it up with this :-



Kinda sounds to me like this is just a stupid opinion of yours.


haha FM4 is such a joke. So you're good at a video game. That is absolutely not qualification for being good at driving. And if you think that long distance trucks have anything to do with cars on a racetrack that's just silly.


If I offended you it was because I don't like you.




Pathetic argument, you fail :rolleyes:

iKasbian
20-11-2015, 19:02
Last warning guys, stop the handbagging or this thread is done and warnings will get handed out.
Take your personal issues to PM if you must.



Lock it, I'll take a warning for fighting my corner and not bowing down to idiots like Krud Control...

5layerDave
20-11-2015, 23:42
Don't lock it! Just get it back on track! ( pun intended ). Cadwell Woodland- Ariel Atom 500 V8 - 0:40.578. I need to improve this time to take back the #1 spot. Car set up completely untouched. Might need tweaking to find improvement. Fun short track, great for hotlapping.

EvoM3
21-11-2015, 00:58
OP - you may want to go and check your 300sl/Bathurst time :rolleyes:

iKasbian
21-11-2015, 07:16
Don't lock it! Just get it back on track! ( pun intended ). Cadwell Woodland- Ariel Atom 500 V8 - 0:40.578. I need to improve this time to take back the #1 spot. Car set up completely untouched. Might need tweaking to find improvement. Fun short track, great for hotlapping.


Someone likes your external view, traction control, Abs, stability control, autoclutch time and yet my top times using cockpit cam and zero assists means nothing... so, it continues..




OP - you may want to go and check your 300sl/Bathurst time :rolleyes:

:cool:




No insults from me, just the facts for everyone to see :D

5layerDave
21-11-2015, 09:04
I'll go and check but I was sure I was using no assists besides auto clutch.

iKasbian
21-11-2015, 11:32
I'll go and check but I was sure I was using no assists besides auto clutch.


Maybe the leaderboard info is wrong then :confused:






There is no such thing as an unbeatable lap.


And yet your OP says this :-



Post Unbeatable/Best Times Here All Cars/Tracks


So, which is it?

cluck
21-11-2015, 15:33
If you have assists set to 'Real' then the leaderboard will show most of those assists as having been used, even if they haven't :).

iKasbian
23-11-2015, 15:22
If you have assists set to 'Real' then the leaderboard will show most of those assists as having been used, even if they haven't :).

Ok, thanks for explanation

Great place for a laugh this :D

konnos
24-11-2015, 14:06
iKasbian you need to relax a bit, you are reading way too much into things said.

"Post Unbeatable/Best Times Here All Cars/Tracks", this can mean that people are encouraged to post times they FEEL are unbeatable and then someone else can post times that they feel are very very good for their skill level. He didn't come here to brag, if that's how you see his OP as, you took offense for no reason.

Krus Control
24-11-2015, 14:09
Thanks for that Konnos. Beat EvoM3's Bathurst time in Ford Escort BTW.

konnos
24-11-2015, 14:13
I don't mean to defend anyone, but after reading this thread in one go, i just feel there has been un-necessary drama.

Krus Control
24-11-2015, 14:14
lol there has been. Just that one guy though.

iKasbian
24-11-2015, 16:57
iKasbian you need to relax a bit, you are reading way too much into things said.

"Post Unbeatable/Best Times Here All Cars/Tracks", this can mean that people are encouraged to post times they FEEL are unbeatable and then someone else can post times that they feel are very very good for their skill level. He didn't come here to brag, if that's how you see his OP as, you took offense for no reason.



I never took offense?

I stated my opinion based on my own personal finds and many other top hotlappers strong opinions and got this reply from the OP


Kinda sounds to me like this is just a stupid opinion of yours.




From then on I just wanted to show up KRUs for what he is, someone who plays the game WAY to much and who's head is to big to get through his bedroom door...

Krus Control
24-11-2015, 17:07
You really showed me

iKasbian
24-11-2015, 17:10
You really showed me


Correction, you showed yourself...

Krus Control
24-11-2015, 17:13
All these successful insults. What am I to do?

Bealdor
24-11-2015, 17:14
Ok that's enough now. I'm going to close this thread because it won't get any better anyway.

Krus Control, feel free to open a new, clean thread to continue/restart your hotlap competition.

iKasbian, if you don't want to participate in said competition ignore those threads from now on. It's that simple.