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WILDSTYLEZ
28-11-2015, 17:00
Hello everybody ! Since patch 6.0 with the new tire model , it is impossible to drive the top times on the leaderboards . the lap times have all become slower and the Bentley Continental , I have also taken away power . I 'm always very happy down the leaderboards it excites me much on the after patch with the tires and with the Bentley were leaderboards not deleted . What shoud that ? please you take care of it .

Mahjik
28-11-2015, 20:20
There are still more tire changes coming, so there will likely be a leaderboard set after the next round of tire updates.

Fanapryde
28-11-2015, 21:19
What do you see as top times ?
I improved from 16th to 8th today with Audi R8 LMS @ Zolder. And I left about half a second at the first chicane...

EvoM3
29-11-2015, 07:04
I've set heaps of 1st places since the patch.. maybe the problem is between your keyboard and your chair?

inthebagbud
29-11-2015, 07:37
There are still more tire changes coming, so there will likely be a leaderboard set after the next round of tire updates.

No not again please

Androphonomania
29-11-2015, 08:38
In general the times in GT3 at least, dropped 0.8 - 1sec(with exceptions)... other classes are not affected that much and it depends on track. But as more tyre changes are coming lets wait for a reset.

iKasbian
29-11-2015, 09:11
I've set heaps of 1st places since the patch.. maybe the problem is between your keyboard and your chair?


With respect, Evo, its very easy to boo hoo peoples findings, its a common theme on these boards....

There is so many variables here at work that it stands to reason a tyre model change can effect lap times.

EvoM3
29-11-2015, 10:39
With respect, Evo, its very easy to boo hoo peoples findings, its a common theme on these boards....

There is so many variables here at work that it stands to reason a tyre model change can effect lap times.

No.

A common theme on the board is people looking at everything else other than their own driving and blaming their platform, hardware, patch, car setup, whatever for being slow... a poor tradesman always blames his tools as the saying goes. Plenty of people are still going fast... want to go fast? Practice and learn every surface, every bump on every corner... that's how it's done.

iKasbian
29-11-2015, 13:19
No.

A common theme on the board is people looking at everything else other than their own driving and blaming their platform, hardware, patch, car setup, whatever for being slow... a poor tradesman always blames his tools as the saying goes. Plenty of people are still going fast... want to go fast? Practice and learn every surface, every bump on every corner... that's how it's done.


Well as the saying goes, you can't tell grandma how to suck eggs....

Its a very black and white outlook you have there, basically telling the quickest guys in the world on xbox to 'try harder'.

Egotistical and disrespectful. Get some sun, kid.




Just got this message from one of the quickest guys on Xbox :-

"if i had a wheel n pc 36 prob v easy, but pad no chance on xbox lol."

Krus Control
29-11-2015, 14:46
Well as the saying goes, you can't tell grandma how to suck eggs....

Its a very black and white outlook you have there, basically telling the quickest guys in the world on xbox to 'try harder'.

Egotistical and disrespectful. Get some sun, kid.




Just got this message from one of the quickest guys on Xbox :-

"if i had a wheel n pc 36 prob v easy, but pad no chance on xbox lol."

There is nothing egotistical or disrespectful about anything Evo said. Go ahead and take your whiney little girl stance again though. God forbid anybody ever disagree with you or you'll scream and stamp your feet.

iKasbian
29-11-2015, 15:10
There is nothing egotistical or disrespectful about anything Evo said. Go ahead and take your whiney little girl stance again though. God forbid anybody ever disagree with you or you'll scream and stamp your feet.

The irony is its you who has stamped your feet in a child like way, your argument - (A) you don't like me - (B) it doesn't suit your agenda...


The top guys on xbox in certain cars on certain tracks are many seconds off what you can/have achieved. It's the scale, not just tenths but many seconds.

Now, go stamp your feet some more, how many times have you reported my posts :rolleyes:

Mahjik
29-11-2015, 17:03
No not again please

It may happen once they settle on all the changes for the pCARS1 tire model. At some point, and I have no idea when, they will likely cut off any changes going further for the tire model in pCARS1 and possibly have one last reset (at least I would). I'm just speculating based on what I would do.

inthebagbud
29-11-2015, 21:10
It may happen once they settle on all the changes for the pCARS1 tire model. At some point, and I have no idea when, they will likely cut off any changes going further for the tire model in pCARS1 and possibly have one last reset (at least I would). I'm just speculating based on what I would do.

Well if they do this again the xbox leader boards will be pretty much non existent and why should we bother to try again posting TT times when they could wipe it again in the future?

I am not one of the top leader guys by any stretch, just focus on TT in which ever car comes up in career and spend time learning the track, how to tune, how to drive and with a 2nd place with Ariel 300 across all leaderboards I would be pretty much naffed off if that was wiped as I put a lot of time and effort , seemingly now for nothing :(

I know it is only your speculation but if this is to happen what's the point of anybody posting a TT time now

I get the feeling that pcars has now become a testing ground for pcars 2?

EvoM3
30-11-2015, 08:23
Well as the saying goes, you can't tell grandma how to suck eggs....

Its a very black and white outlook you have there, basically telling the quickest guys in the world on xbox to 'try harder'.

Egotistical and disrespectful. Get some sun, kid.




Just got this message from one of the quickest guys on Xbox :-

"if i had a wheel n pc 36 prob v easy, but pad no chance on xbox lol."

Sensitive little creature arnt you? You are the type of guy that always blames everything.. it's the games fault, it's the patch, it's xbox, it's your wheel...

The dev's have already came out and said the physics are the same on all platforms... Has it ever occured to you that maybe youre not as fast as you think you are?

Bottom line is, spend less time whinging and more time driving.. you'll go faster.

iKasbian
30-11-2015, 09:17
Sensitive little creature arnt you? You are the type of guy that always blames everything.. it's the games fault, it's the patch, it's xbox, it's your wheel...

The dev's have already came out and said the physics are the same on all platforms... Has it ever occured to you that maybe youre not as fast as you think you are?

Bottom line is, spend less time whinging and more time driving.. you'll go faster.


Its not me just saying it, theres many top of the table xbox hotlappers who say exactly the same. :)

Please, try and keep up... :rolleyes:

EvoM3
30-11-2015, 10:29
Its not me just saying it, theres many top of the table xbox hotlappers who say exactly the same. :)

Please, try and keep up... :rolleyes:

Keep up, lol, I'm not the one doing 2.40's around Bathurst in the Escort.. the only one who cant keep up here is you... ;)

You're so convinced it's the platform.. but position 3 on the PC leaderboard is 3.3 seconds behind me with a 2.39.9.. so if I never posted a time then a 2.39 on Xbox would seem fast wouldn't it...

Post up a video of you doing a 2.40 and I'll let you know whether it's your hardware or your driving. I know where my money is.

Also whats with your delusional signature? It doesnt say the car or track for starters so how is anyone going take up the challenge... secondly.. your insisting that the challenger use a pad.. why? That doesnt prove xbox times are any different because youre controlling the input device which will affect the results... you are delusional.

iKasbian
30-11-2015, 11:10
Keep up, lol, I'm not the one doing 2.40's around Bathurst in the Escort.. the only one who cant keep up here is you... ;)

You're so convinced it's the platform.. but position 3 on the PC leaderboard is 3.3 seconds behind me with a 2.39.9.. so if I never posted a time then a 2.39 on Xbox would seem fast wouldn't it...

Post up a video of you doing a 2.40 and I'll let you know whether it's your hardware or your driving. I know where my money is.

Also whats with your delusional signature? It doesnt say the car or track for starters so how is anyone going take up the challenge... secondly.. your insisting that the challenger use a pad.. why? That doesnt prove xbox times are any different because youre controlling the input device which will affect the results... you are delusional.


Keep up, lol, I'm not the one doing 2.40's around Bathurst in the Escort.. the only one who cant keep up here is you... ;)

You're so convinced it's the platform.. but position 3 on the PC leaderboard is 3.3 seconds behind me with a 2.39.9.. so if I never posted a time then a 2.39 on Xbox would seem fast wouldn't it...

Post up a video of you doing a 2.40 and I'll let you know whether it's your hardware or your driving. I know where my money is.

Also whats with your delusional signature? It doesnt say the car or track for starters so how is anyone going take up the challenge... secondly.. your insisting that the challenger use a pad.. why? That doesnt prove xbox times are any different because youre controlling the input device which will affect the results... you are delusional.




You're the one not keeping up with the points being put forward.



1. I've never said I'm a top hotlapper. I'm quite happy being a second behind top times.

2. Its not just me saying theres differences across platforms and inputs

3. anyone who thinks taking my 100 would be easy work would send me a message...



"That doesnt prove xbox times are any different because youre controlling the input device which will affect the results.."

Ok, kid, you're going to explain that one LOL

EvoM3
30-11-2015, 11:52
You're the one not keeping up with the points being put forward.



1. I've never said I'm a top hotlapper. I'm quite happy being a second behind top times.

2. Its not just me saying theres differences across platforms and inputs

3. anyone who thinks taking my 100 would be easy work would send me a message...



"That doesnt prove xbox times are any different because youre controlling the input device which will affect the results.."

Ok, kid, you're going to explain that one LOL

Just quickly, I'm not a kid. Give up on the condescending tone you use all the time.. If anyone is the student here it's you.

If you cant see the problem with forcing a pad user to compete with a wheel user to push a (wrong) point that xbox lap times are slower than PC times, you are too ignorant to have a sensible debate with. Part of your ammunition is a PM from an xbox user saying if they had a wheel they could do a 36.. if that is true all it proves is that xbox times are matched to PC times.. so no idea why you would put up a post that proves you are wrong.. thanks for playing, better luck next time.

Maybe it's time you put down the keyboard and picked up the control pad - I know you are not very fast so I put together a guide to help you find a bit of time:

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?36327-Advanced-Track-Guide-BATHURST-%28EvoM3%29

iKasbian
30-11-2015, 12:11
Instead of relying on a video game to stroke your ego may I suggest you find yourself a good woman....

When you grow up maybe you'll take other peoples views/findings with alittle more respect instead of dismissing them out of hand, without ANY good reason....

Cheers

:cool:

Krus Control
30-11-2015, 15:32
This is an exceptional guide Evo. Actually much better than most any guide I've read for any track. Lots of great advice in there. And for iKasbian. He is too ignorant to have a sensible debate with. All he cares about is an opportunity to bring up "the best players in the world on xbox" who it honestly sounds like aren't that fast. And he will not drop this nonsense about xbox being seconds slower even though the devs have addressed it multiple times.

Mahjik
30-11-2015, 17:19
I get the feeling that pcars has now become a testing ground for pcars 2?

Not at all. They are releasing and testing separate pCARS2 builds which have nothing to do with pCARS1. A few things have made their way back into pCARS1, like some of the "popular" tire heat modeling. However, it's actually the other way in which pCARS1 will likely see less changes to keep everything stable going forward. That is the typical software lifecycle (fewer changes to reduce the risk of knock-on effects of changing things).

A.S
30-11-2015, 17:24
It may happen once they settle on all the changes for the pCARS1 tire model. At some point, and I have no idea when, they will likely cut off any changes going further for the tire model in pCARS1 and possibly have one last reset (at least I would). I'm just speculating based on what I would do.

I think, it is just logical and needs to happen. How else can a leaderboard stand sound, if driven under different physics?
Personally i enjoy the leaderboard and "best times" idea alot, as it is an independent oppertunity to "try ones best".

PTG Baby Cow
30-11-2015, 18:05
I think, it is just logical and needs to happen. How else can a leaderboard stand sound, if driven under different physics?
Personally i enjoy the leaderboard and "best times" idea alot, as it is an independent oppertunity to "try ones best".

I agree... I just wish there was a logical solution for populating the leaderboards. It's a bit sad going to a track and seeing a wooping 20 people in total have times on the track.

Im going to try and keep this krus, evo, kasabian bit to a minimum. I've voiced where I stand on that and there is a discrepency that is very hard to test which has no involvement of pad vs wheel. That arguement is a seperate one. And i feel for the pad users that they may not be able to achieve the times wheel users have set, but to me being branded as a racing sim I do feel that peripherels almost shouldn't match up equally, surely as the keyboard users on pc will likely say they cant match times with the wheel users.

A.S
30-11-2015, 18:57
They need a clean-up anyways.. many have laptimes of 10 .. or 5 or 9 seconds for a whole track :P (bug?)

Rogo
08-12-2015, 08:29
I can do 1:24:000 and can possible go 3 to 4 tenths faster in a Mclaren GT3 on Brands Hatch. Top leaderboard time is 1:23:9

EvoM3
09-12-2015, 00:42
I agree... I just wish there was a logical solution for populating the leaderboards. It's a bit sad going to a track and seeing a wooping 20 people in total have times on the track.

Im going to try and keep this krus, evo, kasabian bit to a minimum. I've voiced where I stand on that and there is a discrepency that is very hard to test which has no involvement of pad vs wheel. That arguement is a seperate one. And i feel for the pad users that they may not be able to achieve the times wheel users have set, but to me being branded as a racing sim I do feel that peripherels almost shouldn't match up equally, surely as the keyboard users on pc will likely say they cant match times with the wheel users.

Yeah if you gave sebastian vettle a xbox controller to drive his F1 car I'm sure he would be posting different times. Probably slower but maybe with enough practice could match the times.

Anyway I dont believe patch 6.0 makes it any harder to compete on the leader board... thats been proven.

Chin
09-12-2015, 01:09
For reference, I have set several fastest laps since the patch, as well. Mostly the Ginetta GT4, plus a mix of others...

I think some are confusing the reported overheating issue with a change to the possible lap times. Devs have said the cars are still capable of the same lap times, you just can't do them lap after lap...this is where you need to look for your additional time. :mask:

EvoM3
09-12-2015, 06:53
For reference, I have set several fastest laps since the patch, as well. Mostly the Ginetta GT4, plus a mix of others...

I think some are confusing the reported overheating issue with a change to the possible lap times. Devs have said the cars are still capable of the same lap times, you just can't do them lap after lap...this is where you need to look for your additional time. :mask:

Spot on.. people should spend more time working on their driving and less time blaming the game :)

Can we open the competitive tims thread again please?

Psychomatrix
09-12-2015, 08:30
Resetting the leaderboards is a bad idea on xbox. I've lost complet interest in that section because I've put a lot of time in that section and now all times are gone. And I'm not the only one. The leaderboards on xbox a on some track combos nearly empty. I take that no more serious because I ask myself how long it will happen to the next reset. In real motorsport track records staying even a rule change happen.

EvoM3
09-12-2015, 08:37
Resetting the leaderboards is a bad idea on xbox. I've lost complet interest in that section because I've put a lot of time in that section and now all times are gone. And I'm not the only one. The leaderboards on xbox a on some track combos nearly empty. I take that no more serious because I ask myself how long it will happen to the next reset. In real motorsport track records staying even a rule change happen.

I would be strongly against a leaderboard reset but in favour of a tidy up... perhaps a script that looked at the top 10 times of each track/car combo and removed if it's impossible... otherwise I would leave it.. I have lots of WR's at the moment and I wont be bothered to get them back if they are reset.

iKasbian
09-12-2015, 15:25
I've got lots of world record times, suppose that proves how poorly contested most leaderboards are.. nothing to brag about really.

PTG Baby Cow
09-12-2015, 15:33
Yeah if you gave sebastian vettle a xbox controller to drive his F1 car I'm sure he would be posting different times. Probably slower but maybe with enough practice could match the times.

Anyway I dont believe patch 6.0 makes it any harder to compete on the leader board... thats been proven.

Why are you quoting me? I said it has nothing to do with pad/wheel/keyboard. I believe there are differences in times across platform with the same driver using the same input methods. Wheels and pads both work across platform if you have certain ones. I have some guys reporting an average of 1 second slower on pc, i have guys reporting the opposite and this is with them using the same input method and doing the driving for both platforms. Something in the hardware end is not jiving.

iKasbian
09-12-2015, 15:38
Why are you quoting me? I said it has nothing to do with pad/wheel/keyboard. I believe there are differences in times across platform with the same driver using the same input methods. Wheels and pads both work across platform if you have certain ones. I have some guys reporting an average of 1 second slower on pc, i have guys reporting the opposite and this is with them using the same input method and doing the driving for both platforms. Something in the hardware end is not jiving.



Sadly some find it easier to dismiss others finding out of hand and use the 'SKILL' card....

Rose tinted glasses syndrome.

EvoM3
10-12-2015, 00:35
I've got lots of world record times, suppose that proves how poorly contested most leaderboards are.. nothing to brag about really.

Guess you better get some more practice.

223484

iKasbian
10-12-2015, 09:02
Guess you better get some more practice.

223484



Great time there, very impressive


Very sadly spare time to play a video game is in very short supply. I'm a full time dad to 3 young children, my partner died when the youngest was just 6 months. I've got an online business which is taking much of my spare time/energy aswell.


I did start by saying :-


Will have ago at the bathurst time in the Mk1 Escort, will be pleased if I get within 5 seconds of you Pc guys


Got well within that so relatively happy. Mihalo has admitted he found a setting(OPTION?) that made the car quicker/easier to drive (2 seconds?), its not just myself who thinks thats true, theres a few elite drivers who can't get close to his time either.

FA RACING 01
10-12-2015, 11:58
Still some big ego's around here I see.

DinoM
21-12-2015, 09:05
There are still more tire changes coming, so there will likely be a leaderboard set after the next round of tire updates.

I think after all the important physical change, you must reset the leaderbord.

Mulder71
04-01-2016, 19:00
If you did a time once you can do it again, or at least get very very close. So in the end a reset would be fine, just a shame for all the hours that people have put in.

Only thing i've noticed lately in hotlapping is that it takes me the first lap to get the tires working optimal..annoying..but i haven't been hotlapping with Formula A for long, maybe it was like that before the patch also.
I'ld love to put blame on the patch though and say that's why i haven't been able to top any Formula A board yet ;)