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BigAlex
02-02-2016, 18:59
Then I went to set a TT for Formula C. After many laps I couldn't find my lap time anywhere. Then I figured out that TT in PS4 is separated by classes. This means that we will only see FA's in the leaderboard since they're faster than the others. So TT's in PS4 are useless for most of the cars unless you pick the fast car in the respective class.... In summary, NO TT per car in PS4....Another example of amateur design.

JessicaWalter
02-02-2016, 19:34
it's been discussed. as far as i can remember from previous threads it's a limit of the consoles servers (?) because they can't separate the lists by that many factors. someone else can clarify and correct, or specify more precisely...but it's not amateur game design. if you think you can make a better game go ahead.

ports
02-02-2016, 19:42
Time trial is my thing it's what i love doing chasing time :) but i don't do TT in pcars any more because of the limited leaderboards i'm having to use drive club to get my TT fix know all cars all tracks can be used no limitations but i'd rather be on pcars doing TT and not free practice saving laps with Apps.

odemode
02-02-2016, 19:46
Stop whinging, its getting boring now.

BigAlex
02-02-2016, 20:09
it's been discussed. as far as i can remember from previous threads it's a limit of the consoles servers (?) because they can't separate the lists by that many factors. someone else can clarify and correct, or specify more precisely...but it's not amateur game design. if you think you can make a better game go ahead.

Sorry but I am the customer here.

BigAlex
02-02-2016, 20:11
Stop whinging, its getting boring now.

Just don't read as you don't care for this...let's say smoother...this game characteristic.

JessicaWalter
02-02-2016, 20:43
Sorry but I am the customer here.

you're a customer complaining about something the developers have no control over. if i watch a porn and wish the movie gave me an old-fashioned but it doesn't that isn't from amateur filmmaking. it's from a limit that can't be breached due to the technology of the medium.

beetes_juice
02-02-2016, 21:23
you're a customer complaining about something the developers have no control over. if i watch a porn and wish the movie gave me an old-fashioned but it doesn't that isn't from amateur filmmaking. it's from a limit that can't be breached due to the technology of the medium.

Ahhhhh you win the internet today with that. :p

OP:

Consoles are held back with LB because MS/Sony have limitations on the # of LB a game can have. On the pc side of things they are not limited by steam (think SMS owns the servers) for the # of boards; full boards for each car and track.

When I was playing on consoles and doing TT I just brought up my laptop and viewed the pc board times to see where I stand in each car/track combo.

BigAlex
03-02-2016, 00:07
Ahhhhh you win the internet today with that. :p

OP:

Consoles are held back with LB because MS/Sony have limitations on the # of LB a game can have. On the pc side of things they are not limited by steam (think SMS owns the servers) for the # of boards; full boards for each car and track.

When I was playing on consoles and doing TT I just brought up my laptop and viewed the pc board times to see where I stand in each car/track combo.

It would be better not have any TT at all.

JessicaWalter
03-02-2016, 00:56
It would be better not have any TT at all.

well that's your opinion. im glad sms doesn't feel that way.

inthebagbud
03-02-2016, 07:55
Whilst the limitation is with sony/ms this is only because sms decided to use their server. If sms had used their own servers they could have implemented leaderboards like the pc.

Presumeably sms took a commercial decision based n cost/benefit .

I would hope that going forward in pcars 2 they realise this was a mistake and give consoles proper TT boards

And yes I do like TT but as beetes_juice says just have to check pc boards and screen shot my times for posterity

UberSoldat
06-02-2016, 21:29
If driveclub can do it...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
07-02-2016, 05:42
If driveclub can do it...

Can they? Not being sarcastic; if they have leaderboards for equal or greater cars x tracks, then that's a great reason to pressure Sony to knock off the BS. Call it antitrust protest.

STEELJOCKEY
09-02-2016, 04:29
98 cars multiplied by how many tracks 88 + 2 gokarts multiplied by 100 tracks = 8824 (that's just the cars I have in my garage, haven't bought all the cars, but do have all the track, so there is probably a couple more hundred leaderboards than that)

Xbox only allowed to have 1000 leaderboards, PS4 probably similar, so unfortunately something had to give.

JessicaWalter
09-02-2016, 04:43
70+ cars multiplied by how many tracks = how many thousand leaderboards?

Xbox only allowed to have 1000 leaderboards, PS4 probably similar, so unfortunately something had to give.

yeah it's over 9000 and that's even a little low (i got tired of counting)...imagine 9000 different leaderboards

PureMalt77
09-02-2016, 10:45
I agree with the whole LB limitation, but: you can still press R2 and roll down page by page through hundreds of scores. Of course, only the top 10 or 20 have ghosts...
But the game could implement a filter per car, and just roll the page for me, scanning the results and displaying only the times for that car, or am I talking BS here?

Mezzanine
09-02-2016, 15:18
yeah it's over 9000 and that's even a little low (i got tired of counting)...imagine 9000 different leaderboards

I wonder how you guys technically imagine a 'leaderboard' on a steam server.
I'll most likely be one simple database which does not care if there are 100 or 1.000000 assets/'leaderboards' saved.
I've read the UI implementation has been changed two weeks before release.
I wouldn't blame sony/ms with only rumour but no exact knowledge how it technically done, in the end it was just the
sms ui developer not beeing able or not given the time to implment a proper filter on the database.

ports
09-02-2016, 15:44
Can they? Not being sarcastic; if they have leaderboards for equal or greater cars x tracks, then that's a great reason to pressure Sony to knock off the BS. Call it antitrust protest.

Yeah they can mate, Every car and every track all separate leaderboards no limitations also there's leaderboards for the motorbike classes as well and drive club has quite a lot of content i'd say more than pcars all the tracks can be run in reverse as well .

Sloskimo
09-02-2016, 16:29
I wonder how you guys technically imagine a 'leaderboard' on a steam server.
I'll most likely be one simple database which does not care if there are 100 or 1.000000 assets/'leaderboards' saved.
I've read the UI implementation has been changed two weeks before release.
I wouldn't blame sony/ms with only rumour but no exact knowledge how it technically done, in the end it was just the
sms ui developer not beeing able or not given the time to implment a proper filter on the database.

i'm not sure how you imagine a database, but it certainly cares when it's selecting from a million records or 100, load wise.

Mezzanine
09-02-2016, 17:37
i'm not sure how you imagine a database, but it certainly cares when it's selecting from a million records or 100, load wise.

Load is related to to it's access & change frequency but not the number of assets saved.

Sloskimo
09-02-2016, 18:27
Load is related to to it's access & change frequency but not the number of assets saved.

Yes, ok. Or maybe not.

BigAlex
11-02-2016, 16:56
This is so easy to deploy from a System analysis standpoint. Also each player should have access to his history, his tracks, cars, laptimes, etc. This is so in the face that I really don't get it...

Olijke Poffer
08-05-2016, 20:30
Is this why I only see ghost data from the 30 best laps on the leaderboard? I want to race against a ghost of a friend but there is no ghost data to load.. Bummer.