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Synystr
11-02-2016, 19:08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8NFu_-CUug

Also, can we have a serious look at the replay system? Half the cars aren't there, or if they are, they have a 50% chance of freezing on the grid.

Mahjik
11-02-2016, 19:19
It depends on the series. In some series, you are allowed to push a car "half" off the track so it would be the outside car's fault since they didn't move over.

Some series say you cannot push a car off the racing surface at all, in which it's the inside car's fault. It really depends on which rules/series are being followed.

ports
11-02-2016, 19:20
I'd say the white cars fault the black car had space to pass until the white car started veering to the left and causing the crash that's my opinion anyway.

DreamsKnight
11-02-2016, 19:22
normal race contact. the one vettel/webber it total different, with a clear (intimidatory) change of trajectory.

Motorhead Racer
11-02-2016, 19:39
Personally I'd say Black... there was never really the space to get by, it appears he was on the grass when trying to pass

Silraed
11-02-2016, 19:39
I would call racing incident, or if I had to pick one driver to be at fault it would be the inside car. But like Mahjik says it is hard to say without clear series guidelines.

The Webber/Vettel incident isn't comparable, it was a clear decision to turn into the other car. A "This is what I've got." kind of statement.

ex_
11-02-2016, 19:49
the lead car may not have had time to take notice of the pass attempt, and was merely setting up for the corner. That's my take... So the passing car is not necessarily at fault, but should have known not to pass at the last second before turn 1. That is one of my biggest pet peeves... Youd on't need to win on lap 1. be patient! If you're faster, then you're faster. You don't need to take advantage of the confusion on a start just to get a win. If you do, you're not that good...

CPU M Rossi
11-02-2016, 19:55
well my view of it is the person in the black car was being a bit aggressive at the start of the race and there really wasn't room for them to get beside the white car, also it seems they assumed that the person in the white car would know they were there and not move over to the left.
they why I race online is to be cautious around people I don't know and just assume they will wreck me given a chance. even tho most of my online races have been good and haven't seen many bashers but then again I tend to avoid the most popular class for online aka GT3.

ex_
11-02-2016, 20:01
well my view of it is the person in the black car was being a bit aggressive at the start of the race and there really wasn't room for them to get beside the white car, also it seems they assumed that the person in the white car would know they were there and not move over to the left.

exactly.

Nelson Pacheco
11-02-2016, 20:01
i blame the outside car

totally noob

He represents the typic noob that want to win in the first corner

Synystr
11-02-2016, 21:05
Spoiler alert, I'm the black car and this got me in a bit of trouble.

First, I'd like to say, in this league, I'm a bit notorious for my epic clutch bite points.

Secondly, while I agree this was a bit aggressive, I just basically drove straight into a gap that was there and got the pass about 70% done. This was not a dive bomb but just a great start.

Thirdly, I'm not trying to pin this on everyone, its just escalated into a pretty heated debate on our forums and thought I'd get some opinions of people outside our league.

Fourthly... the replays are buggy as hell.

Synystr
11-02-2016, 21:07
I also put the vettel webber crash in there as a joke... because when people take this too seriously... it starts to not get fun anymore.

Synystr
11-02-2016, 21:09
the lead car may not have had time to take notice of the pass attempt, and was merely setting up for the corner. That's my take... So the passing car is not necessarily at fault, but should have known not to pass at the last second before turn 1. That is one of my biggest pet peeves... Youd on't need to win on lap 1. be patient! If you're faster, then you're faster. You don't need to take advantage of the confusion on a start just to get a win. If you do, you're not that good...

I'm not faster than this guy. Thats actually RIP Chief Jedi and if you look at the time trial records... he owns most of the world records. So I had to get in front of him when I could.

Physical
11-02-2016, 21:11
It was the white cars fault. The black car had enough room to pass, was hitting the white line and not the grass, and held his line. The black car obviously had no idea that the white car was on his left, and as mentioned by someone else, steered to the left to setup for the next corner.

Was the black car being too aggressive? I don't think so. White car was just oblivious to his surroundings, and should be more aware of what's going on. Black car had every reason to pass to get to the lead.

As for the old saying goes "you can't win the race on the first lap" I don't believe this statement at all. It's important to stay up front in the pack because that means there will be less cars in your way slowing you down. Also, you know how Pcars works, the front pack are the good clean racers while the middle and back pack are the dirty amatures...most of the time. So its important to stay up front to stay competitive in the race.

kevin kirk
11-02-2016, 21:12
In it being just a game terms, the car that veered over to the left is at fault. Allthough, If this was actually real and you was strapped to this car running the risk of tearing up a very expensive car.Then add that with the pucker potential of you knowing the very moment your real life wheel touches that real life grass, its going to stop your momentum and pitch you left instantly into that wall left of you. I promise that unless his first name is pastor, the driver of the black car would not have took that risk to make that move with so little space. The red bull video means nothing since there was far more room between those cars to the edge of the track.

mr_belowski
11-02-2016, 21:22
the white car only had to move over a few inches to cause an accident. While folks should hold their line, you were relying on this guy being inch-perfect whilst he was bashing up through the gears, checking his mirrors, and generally getting his head into the race. It's just too much to ask of an opponent - the move was too risky and, IMO it was your fault. If I were in his position I too wouldn't have expected you to send one up the outside into that gap (from his point of view it probably looks less than a car width), and I'd feel a bit disappointed that your start-line aggression had caused an avoidable accident.

I wouldn't get all narky about it though - these things happen :)

rams1de
11-02-2016, 21:24
I very much doubt the driver of the white car checked his mirrors before moving off his original line. Typical cause of many online crashes among good and bad racers.

mr_belowski
11-02-2016, 21:25
Don't question The Chief ;)

Krus Control
11-02-2016, 21:31
While I do think the black car's driver is a knob, I don't think it's his fault. He had room to squeeze in there. The white car did not defend outside there. It was stupid and immature to dive in there, but there was room. And there is no way it's the white car's fault. If anything it's a lesson to defend all the way outside when you want the outside. I'll call it a racing incident and I think it would be judged as such IRL. That doesn't mean it wasn't a stupid thing to try and dive in there.

kevin kirk
11-02-2016, 21:35
Might as well blame Bernie for this too

Innerspace_HQ
11-02-2016, 21:53
My two bobs is it's a racing incident, although at the point of passing the black car had his left tyres on the white line, not the grass, and the white car would have been able to see the nose of the black by the time the accident happened, although it was all over in seconds so maybe they didn't... only they can say what they saw. Or you could've put the replay into cockpit mode or something too to prove you were visable?

It was a bold move, you were relying on the white car being inch perfect - although imo it would be hard to say they didn't know you were there. It was a racing incident and fortune favours the bold, they didn't give you much room (didn't have to either) so you took a big chance and it didn't work.

ex_
11-02-2016, 22:08
It was the white cars fault. The black car had enough room to pass, was hitting the white line and not the grass, and held his line. The black car obviously had no idea that the white car was on his left, and as mentioned by someone else, steered to the left to setup for the next corner..

No, because in a game, you cannot possibly know that someone is there at every moment. Youd on't have spotters, you don't have 360 vision etc. It is both car's responsibility to avoid collisions, and the lead car clearly has the perogative to choose his or her own line through a corner. If there is reasonable expectation that the area on the left is going to be clear, it is the fault of the passing car if he put his ass in a place where it doesn't have room. Period.

ex_
11-02-2016, 22:12
While I do think the black car's driver is a knob, I don't think it's his fault. He had room to squeeze in there. The white car did not defend outside there. It was stupid and immature to dive in there, but there was room. And there is no way it's the white car's fault. If anything it's a lesson to defend all the way outside when you want the outside. I'll call it a racing incident and I think it would be judged as such IRL. That doesn't mean it wasn't a stupid thing to try and dive in there.

just because you think you can squeeze, doesn't mean you always should try. Besides, he did not have room in this situation. He appeard to have room for a moment, but as soon as he started moving thee, it was already being closed. So, it was unsafe to make the maneuver, IMO

ex_
11-02-2016, 22:12
Might as well blame Bernie for this too

Actually, yes. I blame socialism. People who think they can take righfully earned spots from others in society :)

Mahjik
11-02-2016, 22:37
No, because in a game, you cannot possibly know that someone is there at every moment. Youd on't have spotters

You do if you use Crew Chief. ;)

Bliman
12-02-2016, 01:00
This one is not difficult to judge.
The white car is at fault.
To quote a famous driver "you always have to leave the space".
First you were faster of the line and if you have pole position that doesn't mean you have all the road to yourself.
I can't belief there is so much debate over this.
He was almost totally in front of the car and then the other car goes to the left (probably for the corner) but totally forgets there is someone besides him.
What was he supposed to do after he got the better start, ease the throttle and get by in another corner, because it maybe saver?
He didn't go on the grass he didn't do anything wild, his start was just better and jumped in the gap which was available.
To quote another great driver
“Being a racing driver means you are racing with other people and if you no longer go for a gap that exists you are no longer a racing driver because we are competing.”
Now offcourse nobody must be upset about this incident, it is a game and it definitely isn't easy to see where your fellow racers are.

Haiden
12-02-2016, 01:06
I think it's very close to being a race incident, but I'd fault the black car, simply because...even if he had gotten through, at that speed and position, he most likely would have had to turn into the white car to take the corner. It was an overly aggressive move for the start of a race that length. I don't know how many laps there were, but the replay timer showed 46 minutes. There was plenty of time to tuck in, get through the first few corners and wait for a little room to work with. You can't win if you don't finish.

Sampo
12-02-2016, 01:17
A race incident. The white one was going for the racing line for the next corner. The black one tried to squeeze into a space the white one was going in. You can't judge inches from your rear view mirrors. Both are responsible for trying to race :)

Innerspace_HQ
12-02-2016, 02:11
“Being a racing driver means you are racing with other people and if you no longer go for a gap that exists you are no longer a racing driver because we are competing.”

Alonso?

I fully agree with what you're saying. It was a small space but a more alert driver would have left the room and simply placed the car in the right position to push the black cars entry line into the corner too wide to be effective thus negating any possible gain the black car may have had by that corner. Done it myself before, it works a treat providing the person you are racing understands racing lines.


I think it's very close to being a race incident, but I'd fault the black car, simply because...even if he had gotten through, at that speed and position, he most likely would have had to turn into the white car to take the corner.

Or go wheel to wheel up to the corner and brake early in the hope that your opponent, sensing the challenge, goes too deep trying to cover his own ass? Apply some pressure and hope you win that battle of will.

The white car left the room then closed it, at the point it was closed beyond any going back the black car would have been clearly visible, on any cam except maybe bumper. The entire nose was in front of driver's line of sight at time of accident. However, it happened at pace and is all over in seconds. I've raced FA a lot and from my own experience I'd have been more aware of what was going on behind and to the sides - ESPECIALLY at the start. Black car can't be blamed, but neither can the white particularly. Hence racing incident.

kevin kirk
12-02-2016, 02:15
This one is not difficult to judge.
The white car is at fault.
To quote a famous driver "you always have to leave the space".
First you were faster of the line and if you have pole position that doesn't mean you have all the road to yourself.
I can't belief there is so much debate over this.
He was almost totally in front of the car and then the other car goes to the left (probably for the corner) but totally forgets there is someone besides him.
What was he supposed to do after he got the better start, ease the throttle and get by in another corner, because it maybe saver?
He didn't go on the grass he didn't do anything wild, his start was just better and jumped in the gap which was available.
To quote another great driver
“Being a racing driver means you are racing with other people and if you no longer go for a gap that exists you are no longer a racing driver because we are competing.”
Now offcourse nobody must be upset about this incident, it is a game and it definitely isn't easy to see where your fellow racers are.............I am allways surprised at the people/players/fans that don't understand that the ayrton senna gap philosophy only makes sense if your ayrton senna giving a interview about a crash he was involved in. Any other time, its bad advice.

DreamsKnight
12-02-2016, 02:17
Spoiler alert, I'm the black car and this got me in a bit of trouble.

First, I'd like to say, in this league, I'm a bit notorious for my epic clutch bite points.

Secondly, while I agree this was a bit aggressive, I just basically drove straight into a gap that was there and got the pass about 70% done. This was not a dive bomb but just a great start.

Thirdly, I'm not trying to pin this on everyone, its just escalated into a pretty heated debate on our forums and thought I'd get some opinions of people outside our league.

Fourthly... the replays are buggy as hell.

If we want to point out, he moved first right then left when you were already there. And only a stupid don't try an easy overtake like that. And we have options to be also malicious saying he saw you.

But IMHO this is a normal race incident.

Innerspace_HQ
12-02-2016, 02:21
............I am allways surprised at the people/players/fans that don't understand that the ayrton senna gap philosophy only makes sense if your ayrton senna giving a interview about a crash he was involved in. Any other time, its bad advice.

Ha. I thought that was Alonso...

Back in my box lol.

I don't think this applies here though, it's a bold move for sure but wouldn't have been illegal.

Innerspace_HQ
12-02-2016, 02:22
It's quite polarising, this. Interesting to see people's opinions on it. Looks like most agree it's a racing incident though.

Warren1571
12-02-2016, 02:42
Yeah, I would say the black car was being seriously over ambitious. For one, even if he did get in front, he was always going to turn in on the white car going into the first corner, as the white car had the line.

The white car most probably had very little knowledge the black car was running up the outside like that - hmmm, perhaps he forgot to do a shoulder check to check his blind-spot before changing lanes?

Seriously though, the black car should have yielded. Over ambitious move that was always going to end badly and as usual everyone trying to get it all done before the first corner.

Although Pastor Maldonado would have been proud of that move :D

Innerspace_HQ
12-02-2016, 03:30
even if he did get in front, he was always going to turn in on the white car going into the first corner, as the white car had the line.

Not necessarily. Wheel to wheel and try and brake early like I mentioned above, some people will respond to the challenge by going too deep. So long as you watch what you're doing there is no need for the black car to turn in on the white. It can be abandoned at this point too remember.


The white car most probably had very little knowledge the black car was running up the outside like that - hmmm, perhaps he forgot to do a shoulder check to check his blind-spot before changing lanes?

I can't agree with that. I've raced lots of FA. If there's a nose that far in front of your line of sight then you know it's there in any cam except bumper which may have been the cam of choice, in which case lesson learned to use a different cam with more spacial awareness. Again... it's the start, how many of you actually just go about your business like nobody else is there at the start? I'm constantly looking around me until the first corner order is set.

Warren1571
12-02-2016, 04:22
Not necessarily. Wheel to wheel and try and brake early like I mentioned above, some people will respond to the challenge by going too deep. So long as you watch what you're doing there is no need for the black car to turn in on the white. It can be abandoned at this point too remember.



I can't agree with that. I've raced lots of FA. If there's a nose that far in front of your line of sight then you know it's there in any cam except bumper which may have been the cam of choice, in which case lesson learned to use a different cam with more spacial awareness. Again... it's the start, how many of you actually just go about your business like nobody else is there at the start? I'm constantly looking around me until the first corner order is set.

Agreed, the first corner could still have been up for grabs and the black could always pull out if necessary - or like you say the white car may go in too deep or visa versa.

I race in cockpit cam only and I agree with you to some degree that the white car could possibly have seen what was going on - hence the defensive move to try and cover the line.

Point taken about the visual awareness. I just know from my experience I have copped a few blindsides from not quite being able to see everything around me. The mirrors on FA aren't much help, hence I have a button mapped for looking left and right as well, but I find that usually causes me more trouble than it is worth as I lose focus on the track ahead.

I think I've just been the victim of other drivers being overly aggressive at the start and trying to win the race by the first corner. Which is possibly lending to my bias of the black car being in the wrong.

Innerspace_HQ
12-02-2016, 04:39
I think I've just been the victim of other drivers being overly aggressive at the start and trying to win the race by the first corner. Which is possibly lending to my bias of the black car being in the wrong.

I think a lot of people in here are suffering with that too ;) I do believe it was a bold move rather than a d*ck move. Black got a brilliant start and was chancing their arm in a narrow spot and white got a rubbish start and should have known there was going to be cars all round them at the start. Spacial awareness is so very important for the start. With a bit of looking around you can spot potential d*ck moves coming and adjust yourself accordingly to dance round their failed attempt at a corner.

davekojo
12-02-2016, 04:40
Racing incident but if I was forced to blame someone I'd say driver in the black car. From the first camera the white car initially looks like it moves right but in the second video (from behind the black car) it appears to be going back to the left before the black car pulls alongside it.

Innerspace_HQ
12-02-2016, 04:56
Racing incident but if I was forced to blame someone I'd say driver in the black car. From the first camera the white car initially looks like it moves right but in the second video (from behind the black car) it appears to be going back to the left before the black car pulls alongside it.

Aye, I'd agree with that. If absolutely forced to attribute blame it would be with black but only because black was coming from behind and can see more of the bigger picture.

artao
12-02-2016, 05:12
I agree with the general "racing incident" idea.
But if I'm gonna "blame" someone, it'd be the white car. Black had plenty of room to go for that gap and was rapidly gaining/passing at the moment of contact.
That said, I think white simply didn't realize black was there. As others have said: situational awareness is key. By sound alone, he should have known black was there.
Do you know if the driver of the white car is running Crew Chief? How about head tracking? Either/both of those would have helped avoid this incident.
It was certainly a drag race to the turn, but it looked like there was plenty of space before the turn to go for this.

Warren1571
12-02-2016, 05:23
Do you know if the driver of the white car is running Crew Chief?

Crew Chief is brilliant in those situations - I never race without it now. The crew chief "spotter" adds a level of awareness that you just can't achieve visually when racing in a sim like this.

Crew Chief could have easily helped avert the contact, leaving the white car with absolutely zero excuses.

Sir Quacky
12-02-2016, 06:08
Ian Bell. >.>

cmch15
12-02-2016, 07:21
Racing incident, both drivers reminded to leave racing room. :)

Edit: If anything, White moves over on Black but Black should have perhaps anticipated the gap could close as White may not have seen him.

seb02
12-02-2016, 07:24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8NFu_-CUug

Also, can we have a serious look at the replay system? Half the cars aren't there, or if they are, they have a 50% chance of freezing on the grid.

To me, this is the white car which is fault. It is deporte left for better turning the corner and did'nt see the black car.

Bealdor
12-02-2016, 07:39
Just a normal racing incident for me.One driver is a bit aggressive while the other one doesn't see him although he could have.


just because you think you can squeeze, doesn't mean you always should try.

Mr. Senna would disagree with you. ;)

Yorkie065
12-02-2016, 10:15
To me the white car is at fault. There was more than a car widths room + racing room on the outside there when the black car entered into the gap, and even when they were directly level pegging with both front and rear wheels alongside each other, there was a FA rear tyre width of a gap between the two. This is all before the braking zone too, about 20 metres infront of the 100 brake marker boarder so it's not like he's dive bombing down the outside. The contact is wheel to wheel and I'm almost certain from any camera angle used, the black car would have been in the picture of the white cars screen (unless the FOV was stupidly low then he may have not been).

I get the whole, "you can't win on the first corner" saying but it doesn't mean that under no circumstances can you try and take the lead into the first corner. If there is sufficient space and it is safe to do so, by all means go for it but be prepared to back out of the move if needed. There was sufficient space, there was a substantial speed difference and when he came into the gap, it looked like the leader (white car) was drifting right or holding position. The white car only started coming left once the black car was already dead on side by side, and already committed to the move. There was nothing he could do, he can't move left as he'd drop a wheel on the grass and coming onto the brakes would have more than likely ended with the same result. There was no way in knowing that he was going to move back left to move back to the racing line to take the corner either, and even then, he would be near enough out of sight to see it happening as he was sliding past. If I was the black car, in the same situation, I would have done exactly the same thing and tried the move around the outside.

Neil Bateman
12-02-2016, 10:52
Looked to me like the white car didnt think he had left enough room on the outside and was more concerned about the 2 cars about to pass on the inside, if you know you got a bad start and you cant see or dont have enough time to see where everyone around you is then hold a line because you are most likely going to be passed from both sides, if move over one way or the other your going to cause a crash.

N0body Of The Goat
12-02-2016, 10:55
I blame Wiggle.

Silraed
12-02-2016, 11:51
I get the whole, "you can't win on the first corner" saying but it doesn't mean that under no circumstances can you try and take the lead into the first corner. If there is sufficient space and it is safe to do so, by all means go for it but be prepared to back out of the move if needed.

I have to admit I was surprised with how damning people have been about this in this thread. From some of the responses I would be lead to believe a driver should simply hold position and not make any moves at all until after the first corner regardless of how good your launch was.

Mulder71
12-02-2016, 11:57
I'm not faster than this guy. Thats actually RIP Chief Jedi and if you look at the time trial records... he owns most of the world records. So I had to get in front of him when I could.

huh..that's nonotreally, i've seen that name on the leaderboards, Chief Jedi is someone else isn't it? Nonotreally is decent but not that fast, indeed chief jedi is very fast..i'm able to get close to him on most tracks but i don't think i've beaten him many times on the leaderboards.

Mulder71
12-02-2016, 12:04
Anyway..it's a bad idea to go round the outside, no way to overtake that way even you didn't crash there is no way this was gonna do you any good.
You should have taken him on the inside, the space was there, so you're at fault anyway. The other guy..well he could have given some room, he had the inside anyway, so his fault as well. Bad driving from your side bad attitude from the other..50/50 racing accident.

Yorkie065
12-02-2016, 12:59
Anyway..it's a bad idea to go round the outside, no way to overtake that way even you didn't crash there is no way this was gonna do you any good.
You should have taken him on the inside, the space was there, so you're at fault anyway. The other guy..well he could have given some room, he had the inside anyway, so his fault as well. Bad driving from your side bad attitude from the other..50/50 racing accident.

Actually, it would have been best for him to go around the outside. The leader was drifting right slightly, the 2 other cars infront of him starting on the right side of the grid were moving left meaning the gap between 1st and 2nd was getting smaller and would have continued to do so into and through the braking zone. Even if there was no contact from his move, and he didn't make the move stick into 1st turn he would have had a very good chance of securing second position by keeping his car on the outside of the other cars, and taking away the accelerating line of the cars on his inside. It's also a lot safer, because if everyone tries to bottle neck onto 1 line in the first turn it knocks back down the line of cars, with people trying to squeeze in small gaps, stay longer on the brakes, slow down more and hesitate on the throttle and it gets worse the further back in the field you are. If you have 2 lines of cars going through 1 corner, less traffic and therefore the people behind don't get affected as much and decrease the chance of being rear ended as there is a better flow from the cars.

Prime example of that happened my latest league race at Watkins Glenn. I got a good start on the left hand side of the track (in 8th position), the outside for turn 1, and immediately got alongside the car starting on my inside (7th). Coming into turn 1, there were basically 2 lanes of traffic. The guy who was directly infront of me on the left got a good start too and moved from 6th to 5th before turn 1. The guy who was in 5th originally was now in 6th was on the inside. The inside lane was slower through the corner as that's where most of the cars were, and there was a nice gap between me (on the outside) and the next car in the outside lane infront of me. Using that to my advantage I braked later, allowing me to get onto the outside of 6th position going through the actual turn. Coming out through the exit, I could accelerate when I wanted as I had the room, where-as the guys on the inside had to wait until the car infront was hard on the throttle to avoid going into the back of them. This allowed me to get a decent exit and I ended up tucking in directly under the rear wing to take and secure 7th position. Had I of not done that and just hovered around the outside of the guy I started alongside, I probably wouldn't have made the place up and made everyone else behind that little bit slower.

Bliman
12-02-2016, 16:18
............I am allways surprised at the people/players/fans that don't understand that the ayrton senna gap philosophy only makes sense if your ayrton senna giving a interview about a crash he was involved in. Any other time, its bad advice.

I know all to well why Senna did say that and he knows he was at fault there but couldn't admit it.
But that doesn't take away from the wisdom of the quote. First quote was from Alonso btw.
Now I judge this incident which was clearly a race accident, but the blame lies almost completely at the white driver.
I find you must always go for a gap as long as it isn't a kamikaze action with no chance of a positive outcome.
The move could go a few ways, either the black driver had so much momentum that he was in front before the corner.
Or the white driver could keep up with him and simply take the inside line and take the race line after the corner (see what Hamilton did for a few races to Rosberg at the start) or one of the driver misses the braking zone and probably lose the place.
Now I say this if this was a real race, in this game it is very difficult to look around with only the game (me on the xbox one would be having it very difficult to see where everyone is, especially because I can't install mods).
So I find that no two side must make a big fuss about the incident because there are to many variables to make the best judgement in a split second.

havocc
12-02-2016, 16:22
Hamilton-Rosberg lol

Doge
12-02-2016, 16:43
Someone buy some mirrors for the guy in the white car. He had absolutely no clue where the other guy was.

Plato99
12-02-2016, 16:47
No-one died.
End of.

Konan
12-02-2016, 17:22
Personally I'd say Black... there was never really the space to get by, it appears he was on the grass when trying to pass

I agree

Flat_out
12-02-2016, 17:26
White cars fault all day long.Not using mirrors to see what's around him!!

Nelson Pacheco
12-02-2016, 22:09
White cars fault all day long.Not using mirrors to see what's around him!!

the guys that race with me... guess what?
they always use the camera in front, the one near the road
how can they see where is the other car like that?
I dont even bother explaining them that online probably the best using a 3rd camera view... to avoid crashes
but its always good to hear them complaining when i give them small touches

who the hell race online with a front camera near the asfalt? noobs?

J4M35_R
13-02-2016, 09:10
Great start by the black car and the white one didn't really change direction, so probably a racing incident. Watch the start of the British Grand Prix and both the Williams went to the inside of the track.

Mulder71
13-02-2016, 09:12
On some tracks i like that camera because it gives you the best feel for the car.. but in an online race i would allways go for cockpit, 3rd person is too arcade for me but indeed is best for avoiding collisions.

Mulder71
13-02-2016, 09:23
Actually, it would have been best for him to go around the outside. The leader was drifting right slightly, the 2 other cars infront of him starting on the right side of the grid were moving left meaning the gap between 1st and 2nd was getting smaller and would have continued to do so into and through the braking zone. Even if there was no contact from his move, and he didn't make the move stick into 1st turn he would have had a very good chance of securing second position by keeping his car on the outside of the other cars, and taking away the accelerating line of the cars on his inside. It's also a lot safer, because if everyone tries to bottle neck onto 1 line in the first turn it knocks back down the line of cars, with people trying to squeeze in small gaps, stay longer on the brakes, slow down more and hesitate on the throttle and it gets worse the further back in the field you are. If you have 2 lines of cars going through 1 corner, less traffic and therefore the people behind don't get affected as much and decrease the chance of being rear ended as there is a better flow from the cars.

In this situation, inside. He can't fully overtake before the corner so there is nothing to be gained on the outside here. If the leader messes up the first corner he will go outside and knock you off, if he doesn't than you are stuck on the outside while other pass you on the inside. really..nothing to be gained on the outside here.
Outside would only work here if you can do a full overtake and make corner entry clearly before the second car than you have great position for optimal corner entry and exit and will be clear of the pack a bit

Cruising to the inside would cause the cars on the right to change their direction slightly..he did have the speed advantage over them so they would give room for an inside move..the car in front is moving left for maximum corner entry rather than defending position so he is giving you space to take him on the inside, he would be stuck on the outside.

Leper Messiah
13-02-2016, 09:28
Racing incident with 50-50 blame. It was a small gap, probably too small with little margin for error (as what happened). White car was IMO watching more for cars down the inside on the right so was maybe concentrating more in that area then drifted slightly left and contact.

What's clear to me from those putting all blame on one or the other is the racing drivers mentality of blaming someone else, even in a game ;) LOL!

Warren1571
13-02-2016, 13:51
"you yield".... "no, you yield" ..... "Surely he's not gonna go for it and lift"..... "oh crap, I'm not letting it go, the line is mine, if he turns in..grrrr."

Always gonna end in tears!!!

Sir Quacky
13-02-2016, 14:21
Ian must be the cause of this, clearly you can tell he is driving one of them.

Synystr
04-10-2016, 04:17
huh..that's nonotreally, i've seen that name on the leaderboards, Chief Jedi is someone else isn't it? Nonotreally is decent but not that fast, indeed chief jedi is very fast..i'm able to get close to him on most tracks but i don't think i've beaten him many times on the leaderboards.

No the replay is bugged. Youll see two cars in the first grid spot. Trust me... I know who hit me lol

BigAlex
04-10-2016, 20:49
The black car has set its space until the white car change its trajectory. probably he was not aware...