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Don Rudi
18-03-2016, 06:35
Hi,

currently I use the Thrustmaster T150. I am looking for an upgrade, but am unsure which way to choose - either a pedal set T3PA pro, I guess the conical brake mod will bring some benefit when driving. Or upgrade to the T300RS first, to benefit from the brushless servo motor. What would you guys recommend?

LukeC
18-03-2016, 06:57
Hi,

currently I use the Thrustmaster T150. I am looking for an upgrade, but am unsure which way to choose - either a pedal set T3PA pro, I guess the conical brake mod will bring some benefit when driving. Or upgrade to the T300RS first, to benefit from the brushless servo motor. What would you guys recommend?

Ideally get the t300RS with the T3PA pro pedals. Anything else will be a compromise. Another option is the Logitech G29, which is a high quality force feedback wheel with excellent pedals. But only get it if it costs the same or less than the T300 RS.

BTW, I've been using the T300 for the last two years and I got the g29 on special on Wednesday and I found the g29 to be as good as the t300 in terms of force feedback, but not quite as strong in terms of resistance to turning, or torque. The T300 Rs being belt-driven is smoother and has a more gooey, rubbery feel, whereas the g29 feels more direct and mechanical. On the ps4 I find that the g29 is more precise with less input lag than the T300 RS and my lap times with the G29 are about 1-2 seconds per lap faster than with the T300 RS.

Another plus with the G29 is the fact that you have more buttons to assign things like brake bias, roll bar, seat forward/back etc.

Don Rudi
18-03-2016, 07:03
Ideally get the t300RS with the T3PA pro pedals. Anything else will be a compromise. Another option is the Logitech G29, which is a high quality force feedback wheel with excellent pedals. But only get it if it costs the same or less than the T300 RS.

That's the ultimate plan (including the TM Shifter). But as there is no readily available package, my budget demands to buy it in 2 steps, therefore the question :) Logitech is not an option for me

LukeC
18-03-2016, 07:18
That's the ultimate plan (including the TM Shifter). But as there is no readily available package, my budget demands to buy it in 2 steps, therefore the question :) Logitech is not an option for me

My T300 is experiencing force feedback fade and calibration issues at the moment. I have the T3 PA pedals because the brake pedal on the original pedal base snapped in half like a twig. The pedals on the T300 are truly terrible and the servo base and steering wheel are provide excellent feedback but have reliability issues. I still have my Logitech G 27 wheel, purchased in 2010 and still working perfectly, so having a malfunctioning T300 after less than two years is really dissapointing.

BTW, why is Logitech not an option for you? Is it the cost?

Don Rudi
18-03-2016, 07:27
Can you say something about the difference between the TP3A and TP3A pro pedals? It is about 60€s, is it worth the difference?

I like to have all stuff out of one hand, thus wheel, shifter and pedals all by Thrustmaster. I only had good experiences with them, I still use my stoneage Thrustmaster RGT Clutch wheel for Raceroom on my PC. The Logitech looks too much like a toy imho and I like the idea of changeable wheels on the T300.

LukeC
18-03-2016, 07:37
Can you say something about the difference between the TP3A and TP3A pro pedals? It is about 60€s, is it worth the difference?.

I only have experience with the TP3A Pro pedals, the all metal ones, and the stock pedals that come with the t300. The TP3A pro pedals are absolutely excellent in terms of feel and because they are made of metal they will not snap. Whatever you do, do not try to save a few bucks by getting the plastic ones. They feel like a toy; they have a tendency to squeak, and if you're strong like me you'll break them in no time.

Gary29
18-03-2016, 09:29
I have the T300RS, and I too think that the standard pedals are completely rubbish, my throttle broke after 5 months of fairly light use, I took them apart to see if they were serviceable, but they're very cheaply made and poor quality, t3pa are a massive improvement.

I can't fault the steering unit though, it's great.

Don Rudi
18-03-2016, 14:21
Aren't the TP3A made from metal as well? I will probably get the normal set and simply not use the default pedals (guess they are like my current T150 pedals), but replace them with the TP3A pro. Thanks for your input guys :)

LukeC
18-03-2016, 20:05
Aren't the TP3A made from metal as well? I will probably get the normal set and simply not use the default pedals (guess they are like my current T150 pedals), but replace them with the TP3A pro. Thanks for your input guys :)

The TP3A pedals that cost $99.99 on Amazon are plastic. I'm pretty sure they are exactly the same as the t300 RS stock pedals in terms of design, materials and potentiometers. The actual levers are made of plastic -- a brittle plastic it turns out. Avoid.

The TP3A Pro pedals, the ones that cost $149.99 on Amazon, are a completely different design and the entire thing is made of metal, including the levers. The feel and durability is another world compared to the plastic ones. I think the full name is Thrustmaster VG T3PA-pRo 3-pedal add-on set.

Don Rudi
18-03-2016, 21:02
The TP3A pedals that cost $99.99 on Amazon are plastic. I'm pretty sure they are exactly the same as the t300 RS stock pedals in terms of design, materials and potentiometers. The actual levers are made of plastic -- a brittle plastic it turns out. Avoid.

The TP3A Pro pedals, the ones that cost $149.99 on Amazon, are a completely different design and the entire thing is made of metal, including the levers. The feel and durability is another world compared to the plastic ones. I think the full name is Thrustmaster VG T3PA-pRo 3-pedal add-on set.

That's valuable info, as I always thought TP3A were (partially) metal as well. I will go for the pro version, now I just need to find a shop, they seem hard to get in Germany. Only found them at the wheelstand shop in the Netherlands so far.

LukeC
18-03-2016, 21:50
That's valuable info, as I always thought TP3A were (partially) metal as well. I will go for the pro version, now I just need to find a shop, they seem hard to get in Germany. Only found them at the wheelstand shop in the Netherlands so far.

A specialist shop is the only way you'll get them. Amazon US is an option if the exchange rate is good, and if they still offer free shipping.

Don Rudi
19-03-2016, 06:05
A specialist shop is the only way you'll get them. Amazon US is an option if the exchange rate is good, and if they still offer free shipping.

Amazon US would mean 21% additional German taxes. But these guys are really fast and reliable: https://www.wheelstandcentre.nl/product-thrustmaster-t3pa-pro-3-pedals-add-on-ps3-ps4-pc-xbox-one.html

Stupid question - will these pedals have an effect on lap times or "only" on the immersion of racing (which is reason enough for me already)?

LukeC
19-03-2016, 10:27
Amazon US would mean 21% additional German taxes. But these guys are really fast and reliable: https://www.wheelstandcentre.nl/product-thrustmaster-t3pa-pro-3-pedals-add-on-ps3-ps4-pc-xbox-one.html

Stupid question - will these pedals have an effect on lap times or "only" on the immersion of racing (which is reason enough for me already)?

21% is a pretty hefty tax. I had no idea Germany did this.

With regard to lap times they should help beacause they will give you more feel, especially the brake pedal, which is very heavy on the Pro pedals and more like an actual car brake. You may wish to look into the possibility of modding your brake pedal with a load cell in the future, which will make it feel even more realistic.

Don Rudi
19-03-2016, 12:10
21% is a pretty hefty tax. I had no idea Germany did this.

With regard to lap times they should help beacause they will give you more feel, especially the brake pedal, which is very heavy on the Pro pedals and more like an actual car brake. You may wish to look into the possibility of modding your brake pedal with a load cell in the future, which will make it feel even more realistic.

Yes, for stuff from outside the European Union we have to pay 19% tax and 2% customs fee. Depending on the conversion rate it can still be worth it, though.

Load cell sounds like a good idea, I wasn't aware that it is available for Thrustmaster pedals as well, I thought it was just an option for Fanatec pedals.

LukeC
19-03-2016, 20:41
Yes, for stuff from outside the European Union we have to pay 19% tax and 2% customs fee. Depending on the conversion rate it can still be worth it, though.

Load cell sounds like a good idea, I wasn't aware that it is available for Thrustmaster pedals as well, I thought it was just an option for Fanatec pedals.

Bodin makes load cell mods for the non pro thrustmaster pedals. I honestly don't know if anyone makes load cells for the pro pedals, so you'll need to do some research. But honestly, the brake pedal in the pro set feels so good you will likely find that you won't need a load cell mod.

Edit: I see that Ricmotech makes a load cell mod for the T3PA pro pedals.

Don Rudi
20-03-2016, 08:12
Oh, 169 US$ for a load cell, guess my driving has to catch up with my hardware first ;)

LukeC
20-03-2016, 09:19
Oh, 169 US$ for a load cell, guess my driving has to catch up with my hardware first ;)

That's pretty expensive, but as I said you'll most likely find the brake pedal very realistic and intuitive and you won't need a load cell mod.

Don Rudi
30-03-2016, 07:48
Just a little update - I got myself the TH8A H-Shifter and the T3PA Pro pedals for Easter - what a difference! My laptimes increased, as I need to get used to using the clutch and can't brake with my left foot anymore, but the whole experience is far more immersive now :D Can't wait to upgrade my T150 to the T300RS in a month or two.

LukeC
30-03-2016, 09:04
Glad you're happy with your new toys. Have fun.