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breyzipp
13-07-2017, 18:36
Diablo GTR was at least used in the Lamborghini Supertrophy series

Yes just read that as well.

It also competed in the 2003 Bathurst 24h in "class A" with the following cars :
The leading class contained vehicles eligible for international FIA N-GT, American Grand-Am GT and the Australian Nations Cup Group 1 category. It featured BMW M3 GTR, Ferrari 360 N-GT, Mosler MT900R, Porsche 996 GT3-RS, Porsche 996 GT3-RC, Lamborghini Diablo GTR, and the controversial 7.0 litre version of the Holden Monaro, the 427C, which did not have a production counterpart (the Holden Monaro CV8 road car was only available with a 5.7 litre Gen III V8 engine).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Bathurst_24_Hour

And also won the 2003 and 2004 Australian Nations Cup:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Australian_Nations_Cup_Championship

But in the first place it seemed to be a Super Trofeo Lamborghini one-make race, after 4 years doing that with the Diablo SV-R, the car was replaced with the Diablo GTR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_Diablo#Diablo_SV-R

Seems to me the Diablo SV and GT were both street legal, the SV-R and GT-R not anymore (they are also under "factory racing specials" :p)

snipeme77
13-07-2017, 18:38
238613

Here is the Super GT version I was talking about. Still a great looking and sounding race car!

breyzipp
13-07-2017, 18:42
So the Diablo GTR will be the missing car in the GTO class then most likely?

We only have 1 slot for misc TBA and I'm 99% sure that's for the Lambo Huracan ST. No way SMS would just dump that in GT3 (I expect the Huracan GT3 to be there).

snipeme77
13-07-2017, 18:46
Well I asked for a big Wang, and I got it with the Diablo GTR

Also we're still missing the GTE car

wicken
13-07-2017, 19:14
Also we're still missing the GTE car
It's obviously the Ferrari 488 GTE

snipeme77
13-07-2017, 19:16
It's obviously the Ferrari 488 GTE

My bad, it was removed. Well there went my hope for a Spyker....

1185323118
13-07-2017, 19:18
My bad, it was removed. Well there went my hope for a Spyker....

Maybe they should do a DLC and add plenty old GT2 cars into GTE class :P

breyzipp
13-07-2017, 19:45
Maybe they should do a DLC and add plenty old GT2 cars into GT2 class :P

FTFY :)

dault3883
13-07-2017, 20:17
FTFY :)

agreed GTE cars would be running laps around the old GT2 cars like the spyker

breyzipp
13-07-2017, 22:17
Ok some updates again.

EVERY car that is still TBA on the Project CARS website is in bold orange. There are 2 more TBA cars as was said on these forums, one under road cars, one under misc to lead to a total of 189+8=1997 cars including DLC. I added both these as well and the misc. car is most likely the Huracan Super Trofeo which I then moved under GT racing. It's performance should be somewhat between the GTE cars and the R.S. 01 I believe.

With the new info of the Sesto Elemento and the Diablo GTR and the speculation of the 488 GTB and 330 P4 we now still have one car missing. :)

Also note that it's hard to judge where exactly these road cars fit in (road A B C D E F G) so take that with a grain of salt.

Tank621
13-07-2017, 22:33
189+8=1997

238620

breyzipp
13-07-2017, 22:36
Found this on GTP.

Well that confirms the Lambo's and also road B for the Aventador. ;)

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/attachments/lambo-png.660148

breyzipp
13-07-2017, 22:39
238620

It's the truth you know. You subtract 1 from that last 8 (7 remaining) and add that subtracted 1 to the first 8 (becoming 9). Then you place that remaining 7 at the end. Voila, 1997. :P

Tank621
13-07-2017, 22:39
Can't read a word of it but that UI looks so much more user friendly. Massive improvement over the 1st game and fixes one of my few minor complaints

breyzipp
13-07-2017, 22:43
And I even missed that standard Huracan from that screenshot. So we have all cars now???

WORLD FIRST FOR ME!?!?!?!?

dault3883
13-07-2017, 22:55
what is the difference between the Huracon GT3 and Huracon ST?

Tank621
13-07-2017, 22:55
And I even missed that standard Huracan from that screenshot. So we have all cars now???

WORLD FIRST FOR ME!?!?!?!?

Unless we're wrong about something, I was wrong on that Toyota, it can happen again

Good spot BTW, I didn't notice that

Tank621
13-07-2017, 22:56
what is the difference between the Huracon GT3 and Huracon ST?

ST stands for Super Trofeo its a single make series, with a different level of performance to GT3. I'm pretty sure it's one of the support categories for IMSA

dault3883
13-07-2017, 23:01
ST stands for Super Trofeo its a single make series, with a different level of performance to GT3. I'm pretty sure it's one of the support categories for IMSA

it is i dont watch imsa's support series i would watch the continental tire challenge but they dont do the races live so i watch weather tech for imsa and watch Pirelli world challenge main series and love their GTS series which is gt4

wicken
13-07-2017, 23:04
And I even missed that standard Huracan from that screenshot. So we have all cars now???

WORLD FIRST FOR ME!?!?!?!?

Not quite buddy ;)
I reached there a lot earlier; you can find mine on PlaystationTrophies.

breyzipp
13-07-2017, 23:07
Not quite buddy ;)
I reached there a lot earlier; you can find mine on PlaystationTrophies.

Never used that site, clicky link to the list plz! :)

And I hope you aren't WMD or have WMD relatives because that would be cheating. :)

rosko
13-07-2017, 23:13
Found this on GTP.

Well that confirms the Lambo's and also road B for the Aventador. ;)

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/attachments/lambo-png.660148

Maybe a worry to much but not entirely sold on the UI for car selection.

wicken
13-07-2017, 23:13
Never used that site, clicky link to the list plz! :)

And I hope you aren't WMD or have WMD relatives because that would be cheating. :)

https://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/project-cars-2-a/307470-project-cars-2-car-track-list.html

I'm sure you will recognize something as an earlier extract from my list was used by AR12, among other websites before the official reveal from SMS.

breyzipp
13-07-2017, 23:18
https://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/project-cars-2-a/307470-project-cars-2-car-track-list.html

I'm sure you will recognize something as an earlier extract from my list was used by AR12, among other websites before the official reveal from SMS.

Hmm so not the 488 GTB then. But.... grrr damn car brand sorted list :P

and got it, thinking of the "unrevealed" brands first :)

2015 Toyota GT-86 Rocket Bunny Street

That was the Scion SR-F from PC1 I think. Great to have it back too.

Still that 488 GTB would be a nice filler so Ferrari has something tied up with the Huracan or Aventador as well. Ooh well... maybe DLC.

Thanks for the help wicken!

I assume your circuit list is also verified? Will update that tomorrow then. :)

wicken
13-07-2017, 23:28
Hmm so not the 488 GTB then. But.... grrr damn car brand sorted list :P

I suppose you could tell me where you have heard of a 488 GTB :P



I assume your circuit list is also verified? Will update that tomorrow then. :)

Well, I did have all that hard work of using Cluck's post to include all the layouts. I hope all that wasn't for nothing ;)

breyzipp
13-07-2017, 23:55
I suppose you could tell me where you have heard of a 488 GTB :P

It was purely speculation from my part. :P Because there is a gap in the Ferrari road cars IMO:

2013 Ferrari LaFerrari
2002 Ferrari Enzo Ferrari
1984 Ferrari 288 GTO

That list just asks for the 488 GTB road car. If you want to drive something that is not a hypercar but more towards a modern supercar, there is nothing. Well there is the Enzo of course but it's already 15 years old now. Meanwhile Porsche and Lamborghini both have something new in that segment, the 911 GT3 RS (2016) and the Huracan/Aventador (2015/2012). But I bet SMS thought we'd use the Enzo in that "battle". Hmmmm, maybe so. If I would have to pick just ONE, the 488 GTB or the Enzo... I'd pick the Enzo. :) Well not complaining at all, I was just almost 100% certain that missing car would be the 488 GTB esp. after seeing the Huracan come in GT3, ST and road versions. Was almost certain the 488 would be GTE, GT3, road.

At least my 330 P4 speculation was correct (speculated by Tank621 too). But that one was easier to think about.

Some great reveals/confirmations today. Seriously can't wait to try all this. In PC1 I wasn't all that into road cars apart from the lower tiers (hot hatches and such) but here... can't wait to try the 288 GTO, Enzo, 911 GT3 RS, 720S just to name a few. :)

Anyway got the list updated now but some road cars are probably in the wrong class. I hope WMD or someone who has the pre-release game can help with that. Would like to get it accurate.

dault3883
13-07-2017, 23:57
so are we not getting a ferrari GTE car?

Roger Prynne
14-07-2017, 00:00
^ You mean the 488?

breyzipp
14-07-2017, 00:15
so are we not getting a ferrari GTE car?

2016 Ferrari 488 GTE car is on the list. Some gorgeous livery screenshots from WMD in the sticky thread as well. :)

Folks I've run the now known road cars through the TBA's from the official page again and I believe Road A and B are messed up in there (mixed + 1 car missing like Mad Al stated). But I think Road C until Road G are nicely assorted alphabetically and if we fit in the now known TBA's this matches perfectly. So I think Road C => Road G is now pretty much final.

Road A & B is a bit of speculation, maybe both Pagani's are in road A, maybe not. Can anyone from WMD check the first page with the game and give feedback if it's correct or not? Thanks in advance!

dault3883
14-07-2017, 00:33
ok thanks brey i must of skimmed right over it my bad

wicken
14-07-2017, 06:54
breyzipp get ready for a detailed display of all car classes. If I missed anything please let me know as I barely woke up.

Drift

Mazda MX-5 RADBUL


Vintage Formula A Championship

Lotus Type 25 Climax
Lotus Type 78 Cosworth
Lotus Type 98T Renault Turbo


FA

Formula A


Vintage Formula C Championship

Lotus Type 49 Cosworth
Lotus Type 49C Cosworth
Lotus Type 72D Cosworth


FC

Formula C


Vintage Formula Vintage - F3

Lotus Type 51


FR

Formula Rookie


Formula Renault 3.5

Formula Renault 3.5


FX

Formula X


G40 Junior

Ginetta G40 Junior


Group 4

BMW M1 Procar


Group 5

BMW 320 Turbo Group 5
Ford Capri Zakspeed Group 5
Nissan 280ZX IMSA GTX
Nissan Skyline Super Silhouette
Porsche 935/77
Porsche 935/80


Group 6

Porsche 936 Spyder
Renault Alpine A442B


Group A

Audi V8 quattro DTM
BMW M3 E30 Group A
Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth Group A
Mercedes-Benz 190E Evolution II
Nissan Skyline BNR32 Group A


Group C

Jaguar XJR-9
Jaguar XJR-9 LM
Nissan GTP ZX-Turbo
Nissan R89C
Nissan R89C LM
Porsche 962C
Porsche 962C Langheck
Sauber C9 LM
Sauber C9


GT1

Ferrari F50 GT
McLaren F1 GTR "Long Tail"
Mercedes-Benz CLK LM
Nissan R390 GT1
Panoz Esperante GTR-1
Porsche 911 GT1
Toyota GT-One


GT3 (the Endurance and the multiple Bentley versions are also here)

Acura NSX GT3
Aston Martin Vantage GT3
Audi R8 LMS
Bentley Continental GT3
BMW M6 GT3
BMW Z4 GT3
Cadillac ATS-V.R GT3
Ferrari 488 GT3
Ginetta G55 GT3
Lamborghini Huracán GT3
McLaren 650S GT3
Mercedes-AMG GT3
Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG GT3
Nissan GT-R GT3
Porsche 911 GT3 R
Renault R.S. 01 GT3


GT4

Aston Martin Vantage GT4
BMW M3 GT4
Ford Mustang Boss 302R1
Ford Mustang RTR GT4
Ginetta G55 GT4
KTM X-Bow GT4
Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport
Toyota GT-86 Rocket Bunny GT4


GT5

Ginetta G40 GT5


GTE

Aston Martin Vantage GTE
BMW M6 GTLM
Chevrolet Corvette C7.R
Ferrari 488 GTE
Ford GT LM GTE


IMSA GTO

Audi 90 IMSA GTO
Ferrari F40 LM
Ford Mustang Cobra SCCA TransAm
Lamborghini Diablo GTR
Nissan 300ZX IMSA GTS
Nissan 300ZX LM


Indy

Dallara IR-12 Chevrolet Road
Dallara IR-12 Chevrolet Speedway
Dallara IR-12 Honda Road
Dallara IR-12 Honda Speedway


Kart One

Kart


LMP1

Audi R18 e-tron quattro
Marek RP 339H LMP1
RWD P30 LMP1
Toyota TS040 Hybrid LMP1


LMP2

Ligier JS P2 (Honda, Judd, Nissan)
Marek RP 219D LMP2
Oreca 03
RWD P20 LMP2


LMP3

Ginetta LMP3
Ligier JS P3


LMP900

Audi R8
Bentley Speed 8
BMW V12 LMR
Ferrari 333 SP
Toyota GT-One LMGTP


Road A

Ferrari LaFerrari
McLaren 720S
McLaren P1
Pagani Huayra BC
Porsche 918 Spyder
Radical RXC Turbo


Road B

BAC Mono
Ferrari Enzo
Ford GT
Jaguar XJ-220 S TWR
Lamborghini Aventador LP 700-4
Lamborghini Veneno
Pagani Zonda Cinque Roadster
Porsche 911 GT3 RS


Road C

Acura NSX
Aston Martin Vantage GT12
Audi R8 V10 plus
Chevrolet Corvette C7 Z06
Lamborghini Huracán LP 610-4
McLaren 570S
McLaren F1
Mercedes-AMG GT R
Nissan GT-R Nismo
Toyota GT-86 Rocket Bunny Street


Road D

Aston Martin DB11
BMW 1M Coupe StanceWorks Edition
Caterham Seven 620 R
Chevrolet Camaro ZL1
Jaguar F-Type SVR
KTM X-Bow R


Road E

BMW 1-Series M Coupe
Ferrari 288 GTO
Ford Mustang GT
Honda Civic Type-R
Mercedes-AMG A 45
Mercedes-AMG C 63 S
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX FQ360
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X FQ400


Road F

Audi A1 quattro
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME
Renault Mégane R.S. 275 Trophy-R


Road G

BMW 2002 Turbo
Ford Escort Mk1 RS1600
Ford F-150 RTR Funhaver
Ford Mustang 2+2 Fastback
Toyota 86
Toyota GT86


R.S. 01

Renault Sport RS. 01


RX Lites

Olsbergs MSE Supercars Lites


Stockcar Series

Ford Fusion Stockcar


Super Trofeo

Lamborghini Huracán Super Trofeo


Track Day A

Aston Martin Vulcan
Ginetta G57-P2
McLaren P1 GTR
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI SVA
Pagani Zonda Revolucion
Radical SR8 RX


Track Day B

Caterham SP/300.R
Honda 2+4 Concept
Lamborghini Sesto Elemento
Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 SMS-R
Radical SR3 RS


Touring Car

BMW 320TC
Mercedes-AMG A 45 SMS-R Touring
Renault Megane R.S. SMS-R Touring
Opel Astra TCR


TC1

Renault Clio Cup


V6 Megane Trophy

Renault Megane Trophy V6


V8SC

Ford Falcon FG


Vintage Indy

Agajanian Watson Roadster
Lotus Type 38 Ford
Lotus Type 56


Vintage Prototype B

Ferrari 330 P4
Ford MkIV
Lotus Type 40 Ford


Vintage RX

Ford Escort Mk1 RS1600 Rallycross


Vintage Touring - GT A

Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 Trans-Am
Ferrari 365 GTB/4 Competizione
Jaguar E-Type V12 Group44
Nissan Fairlady 240ZG GTS-II


Vintage Touring - GT B

BMW 2002 StanceWorks Edition
Ford Escort Mk1 Racing
Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.8 AMG


Vintage Touring - GT C

Aston Martin DBR1/300


Vintage Touring - GT D

Mercedes-Benz 300SL W194


WRX

Ford Focus RS GRX
Honda Civic GRC
Mini Countryman RX
Mercedes-AMG A 45 SMS-R Rallycross
Renault Megane R.S. SMS-R Rallycross
Volkswagen Polo RX Supercar

breyzipp
14-07-2017, 07:05
great stuff wicken!!! Will update it this evening There is some stuff missing though like the R.S. 01 Trophy. Please tell me that one (and Huracan ST) are one-make classes that can properly be selected for multi-class as 1 car, and that they are not just part of a "misc"-class. ;)

The same question goes for vintage open wheel & open wheel, I would think they are further split up like in PC1?

also, are you sure for example the honda civic is in road E and not F?

Also i saw a video of a mercedes road car in the same race as a renault around brands hatch, with both your and my list that seems not possible, unless it was multiclass perhaps.


would be great if someone could just make an in-game video scrolling through all the cars or car classes so we get the data the most accurate way :)



and whaaaat the 720S is in higher Road class than the Veneno? :confused:

Veneno: (Factory claim)
Top speed: 355 km/h / 221 mph
0-60 mph (sec):2.4
0-100 km/h (sec):2.5

720S: Performance
Top speed 341 kph (212 mph)
0 - 100 kph 2.9 s

That's what I could quickly find. Granted that 720S is faster than I thought (coming really close to the P1), but... hmmm.

ryandtw
14-07-2017, 07:08
I still keep asking about this: What's the difference between the pCARS 1 ('2013') and the pCARS 2 ('2016') versions of the RWD LMPs (P20 LMP2, P30 LMP1)? For example, is the 2016 P30 narrower than the 2013 model?

wicken
14-07-2017, 08:21
great stuff wicken!!! Will update it this evening There is some stuff missing though like the R.S. 01 Trophy. Please tell me that one (and Huracan ST) are one-make classes that can properly be selected for multi-class as 1 car, and that they are not just part of a "misc"-class. ;)

The same question goes for vintage open wheel & open wheel, I would think they are further split up like in PC1?

also, are you sure for example the honda civic is in road E and not F?


Alright now that I'm awake, I missed some stuff such as: touring cars, the one make classes, modern formula cars and the sub divisions of vintage open wheel.

The other classes are properly filtred as I have a source which is rather close to WMD.

hkraft300
14-07-2017, 08:29
I still keep asking about this: What's the difference between the pCARS 1 ('2013') and the pCARS 2 ('2016') versions of the RWD LMPs (P20 LMP2, P30 LMP1)? For example, is the 2016 P30 narrower than the 2013 model?

Good question! Be awesome if they're more in line with '16 regs.
I'd hope they're slightly better balanced too. In pc1 they were a little bit faster than the Oreca/alpine, but if the same performance is retained maybe the Ligier is competitive against them anyway.
I didn't know the Ligier gets the Nissan engine too! 3 engine options. Well done!

Roger Prynne
14-07-2017, 09:05
I still keep asking about this: What's the difference between the pCARS 1 ('2013') and the pCARS 2 ('2016') versions of the RWD LMPs (P20 LMP2, P30 LMP1)? For example, is the 2016 P30 narrower than the 2013 model?

Not as far as I know.

F1_Racer68
14-07-2017, 11:02
I still keep asking about this: What's the difference between the pCARS 1 ('2013') and the pCARS 2 ('2016') versions of the RWD LMPs (P20 LMP2, P30 LMP1)? For example, is the 2016 P30 narrower than the 2013 model?

As I said somewhere else.... They are fictitious cars, created by SMS to begin with. So really, they can call them.whatever year they want. I doubt there has been any change to them at all unless there were significant rule changes to things like aero packages, etc. in real life which SMS would be sure to model in game as well given their obsession with accuracy.

galaxyjack
14-07-2017, 11:55
we have a newcomer, Lamborghini Huracan lp610-4

honespc
14-07-2017, 12:22
Would have been great to see TVR as well. Loved those Frankenstein cars, with this part from this manufacturer, another piece from other, etc.

Tank621
14-07-2017, 12:23
Would have been great to see TVR as well. Loved those Frankenstein cars, with this part from this manufacturer, another piece from other, etc.

May I direct you attention to the car request thread http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?21910-What-cars-do-you-want-to-see-in-game/page478

honespc
14-07-2017, 12:25
Too late, unless last minute DLC surprises

Tank621
14-07-2017, 12:28
Too late, unless last minute DLC surprises

We only know the launch DLC but we know there's going to be at least 4 DLC packs (including tracks and cars) to come later on. If the first game is anything to go by there is a good chance we will see some new manufacturers

VelvetTorpedo
14-07-2017, 12:39
Watching the car selection screen video, I appreciate the "Control Difficulty" scale under the info. The "Corner Speed" scale is a nice touch also.

breyzipp
15-07-2017, 02:12
Big update! (I basically did the entire list completely over again)

* removed all the links to evidence when we were still in speculation/proof mode since thats now irrelevant.
* used all the exact in-game car model names, years etc.
* used the in-game car classes.
* sorted the cars classes now from fastest/newest to slowest/oldest since that made more sense with how SMS names the classes. And makes more sense too, if you now go to prototypes for example you first see LMP1 at the top instead of having to scroll all the way to the bottom.
* I added all the links from the feature articles from the SMS news page to the appropriate car, but now only for those cars that were the article's main story.

todo :
* Soon I will start digging through the WMD videos again and start linking those videos to both the car list and the track list. Will also be a nice overview for you WMD'ers to see which cars and tracks you haven't shown yet. ;)

request :
Could this thread be made sticky? (along with the confirmed track list) Since people won't post here much anymore now that all cars are known... But it can be of valuable for potential new players who sneak around the forum for info, especially closer to release date.

snipeme77
15-07-2017, 04:39
0H BUDDY, CAN'T FREAKING WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Konan
15-07-2017, 05:00
request :
Could this thread be made sticky? (along with the confirmed track list) Since people won't post here much anymore now that all cars are known... But it can be of valuable for potential new players who sneak around the forum for info, especially closer to release date.

Sticky it is...as well as the track list...

breyzipp
15-07-2017, 08:44
Sticky it is...as well as the track list...

Cheers!

Konan
15-07-2017, 08:52
Cheers!

Yep...this evening...going to a birthday party...LOL

Rodgerzzz
16-07-2017, 10:09
Seriously considering taking a week or two off work when this comes out.. so many awesome cars in that list that I can't wait to drive!

F1_Racer68
16-07-2017, 12:23
Seriously considering taking a week or two off work when this comes out.. so many awesome cars in that list that I can't wait to drive!

My vacation dates were already booked for the release before the digital preorder was even available :D

VelvetTorpedo
16-07-2017, 12:27
I already requested September 22 off :D

dault3883
16-07-2017, 12:59
I already requested September 22 off :D

and watch the release time for september 22 wont be till after you would have gotten off of work LOL

breyzipp
16-07-2017, 13:20
Rest assured I won't be working September 22nd either. Still doubting if I should take the day off or call in sick. :)

amazed
16-07-2017, 13:30
Rest assured I won't be working September 22nd either. Still doubting if I should take the day off or call in sick. :)

*wonders whether to email these posts to breyzipp's boss* :devilish:

dault3883
16-07-2017, 13:34
*wonders whether to email these posts to breyzipp's boss* :devilish:

you do that and he gets fired we will know who to blame and black list LOL :devilish:

Konan
16-07-2017, 13:40
Who says his boss isn't a member of this forum?

breyzipp
16-07-2017, 13:41
you do that and he gets fired we will know who to blame and black list LOL :devilish:

Let's hope they fire me from September 21th on then. :)

And that extra day would be to get well rested aforehand + go in hamster mode and fill my fridge. :)

Konan
16-07-2017, 13:44
Move the fridge next to your setup...saves you the trouble of getting up...:cool:

breyzipp
16-07-2017, 13:46
But then I have nothing to do during the loading screens. :)

dault3883
16-07-2017, 13:52
But then I have nothing to do during the loading screens. :)

when do you plan to eat if you are going to the fridge during the loading screens LOL

Mowzer
16-07-2017, 13:59
Move the fridge next to your setup...saves you the trouble of getting up...:cool:

You will need the microwave too :encouragement:.

dault3883
16-07-2017, 14:19
You will need the microwave too :encouragement:.

just move the rig to the kitchen LOL

hkraft300
16-07-2017, 14:39
just move the rig to the kitchen LOL

Says the man without a wife :p

dault3883
16-07-2017, 14:48
Says the man without a wife :p

im just saying its easier to move the rig to the kitchen than the fridge and the microwave to the living room LOL

Konan
16-07-2017, 15:03
Besides...people will be too busy to eat anyway...:cool:

Mowzer
16-07-2017, 15:12
Besides...people will be too busy to eat anyway...:cool:

Eating is for quitters lol

amazed
16-07-2017, 15:13
Besides...people will be too busy to go to work anyway...:cool:

FTFY

dault3883
16-07-2017, 15:27
im sorry if i got to work i got to work. weights the two on the scales: Work and make money or stay home play video games and make no money

im sorry if those are my two choices im going to work to make money i can play when i get home its apart of being an adult responsibility's over fun

Konan
16-07-2017, 16:15
im sorry if i got to work i got to work. weights the two on the scales: Work and make money or stay home play video games and make no money

First choice: my son
Second choice: my other son :rolleyes:

Anyway...let's get back on topic...

ryandtw
17-07-2017, 04:03
Of all the whining and complaining with the LMP1 (myself included), I'm actually looking forward towards driving the new Ligier LMP2 and the actual LMP3 cars! With proper multi-class scoring implemented on pCARS 2, now racing multiple classes - especially when racing in a lower class - is going to be more exciting than ever! People keep thinking about those latest LMP1 these days, such as the Porsche 919 - but it seems LMP2 has been overlooked a bit too much. One of the biggest complaints of pCARS 1 is the lack of actual closed-top LMP2 cars - now with the 'new' (2016) Ligier, that box has been pretty much checked. I can't wait to drive one of these - as well as the new LMP3 cars that pCARS 2 has to offer as well!

dault3883
17-07-2017, 04:05
im looking forward to driving the McLaren 650s the most. while Lmp1 and 2 cars have always been great to look at iv always trully loved the GT cars more

hkraft300
17-07-2017, 07:10
I'm actually looking forward towards driving the new Ligier LMP2 and the actual LMP3 cars! With proper multi-class scoring implemented on pCARS 2, now racing multiple classes - especially when racing in a lower class - is going to be more exciting than ever!

+1. I reckon the LMP3 cars will be a little easier to drive (easier than GT cars perhaps, with less power and more grip) and make for better competition.
The LMP2 class has a fair bit of variety with 3 engine options for the Ligier. Super excited to lap in the Ligier and Ginetta.

breyzipp
17-07-2017, 08:41
I fully agree with the last few posts.

In LMP class I agree the LMP2 and LMP3 classes will be fun. LMP3 is now a real LMP3 class (unlike in PCARS1) and I'm looking forward to playing these. Also thoroughly enjoyed the "Road to Le Mans" support race during the 24h of Le Mans which was an interesting mix of LMP3/GT3 multiclass which we will be able to reproduce in PCARS2's multiclass system.

I agree with Dault about GT cars as well though, it's a class I feel really comfortable with in most racing games. What will also be interesting for me is that PCARS2 seems to be the first game that has all the modern racing classes right. No more GT3 mixed with GTE in the same class like every other game seems to do (Assetto Corsa, Forza, even Project CARS1). I think this is actually the first game on consoles that has GTE as a separate class. I'm really looking forward to feeling the difference between the GT3 and the GTE cars (with assists set to REAL), for example take the Ferrari 488 GT3 out on a track for some hot laps, then to the same with the GTE variant. Also very much looking forward to multiclass races including both GTE and GT3 and seeing how that works out on different tracks (also for AI behaviour).

Interesting times ahead for sure!

Fanapryde
17-07-2017, 09:43
In pCars 1:
Players in Project CARS will be able to experience the thrill of karting in two forms - 125cc shifter karts perfect for short circuits and the more powerful 250cc Superkarts capable of speeds up to 160mph.
Which was great.

Now in pCars2 we get this:
2011 KART 100CC

Has SMS really replaced the 125 shifter and superkart with the 100cc ??? :sorrow:

hkraft300
17-07-2017, 14:32
Has SMS really replaced the 125 shifter and superkart with the 100cc ??? :sorrow:

Don't despair. Reckon the 100cc won't be half bad with the new physics goodies.

hkraft300
17-07-2017, 15:39
... we will be able to reproduce in PCARS2's multiclass system...


Call it blasphemy, but I'll be using multi class and custom championships for some unholy combinations.
Track A and GT1?
GTE and GTO?
Group C and LMP900? I wonder if any of these are close in lap times over a range of different tracks...

dault3883
17-07-2017, 15:46
Call it blasphemy, but I'll be using multi class and custom championships for some unholy combinations.
Track A and GT1?
GTE and GTO?
Group C and LMP900? I wonder if any of these are close in lap times over a range of different tracks...

i thought we werent getting custom championships?

RacingAtHome
17-07-2017, 15:58
i thought we werent getting custom championships?

We're not on release.

Fanapryde
17-07-2017, 16:29
Don't despair. Reckon the 100cc won't be half bad with the new physics goodies.
Probably not, but a 100cc is by no means a 125 shifter. Been therre, done that IRL, hence I would feel bad if the 125 shifter will not be included.

FS7
17-07-2017, 17:09
In pCars 1:
Players in Project CARS will be able to experience the thrill of karting in two forms - 125cc shifter karts perfect for short circuits and the more powerful 250cc Superkarts capable of speeds up to 160mph.
Which was great.

Now in pCars2 we get this:
2011 KART 100CC

Has SMS really replaced the 125 shifter and superkart with the 100cc ??? :sorrow:
That sucks, 250cc superkart was very fun to drive, very fast, lots of grip.

breyzipp
17-07-2017, 23:17
I started adding the videos from the WMD thread to both the car list and track list. Pages 30-50 have been done.

hkraft300
18-07-2017, 01:07
I started adding the videos from the WMD thread to both the car list and track list. Pages 30-50 have been done.

Gets full car list confirmed.

Makes another list :p
:glee:

Love your work mate.

dault3883
18-07-2017, 01:16
Gets full car list confirmed.

Makes another list :p
:glee:

Love your work mate.

hes commited and dedicated you gotta give the man that LOL

Cheesenium
18-07-2017, 03:29
Call it blasphemy, but I'll be using multi class and custom championships for some unholy combinations.
Track A and GT1?
GTE and GTO?
Group C and LMP900? I wonder if any of these are close in lap times over a range of different tracks...

I had been doing that with builds. They are insanely fun but it can also be quite imbalanced like the 1999 Toyota LMP900 will destroy the 1998 Toyota GT1 on straights despite they look almost the same. Mechanically, both are quite different cars even though it's only 1 year difference. There are so many fun ways to combined classes together in one.

The PWC style combination is great fun too but I always throw in some really slow classes as the rolling road blocks. I do have a "modified" PWC for a bit more excitement with LMP1, GT3, TCR and either Clio or Ginetta cup car.

Personally, I hope to see what you guys can come out with after Pcars 2 is released. Mine is rather tame, to be honest but I did tried some crazy combinations like FX, Group C, Track day 1 and LMP1.

hkraft300
18-07-2017, 07:27
I'll be sure to try those combos.

GT4+TCR+Clio?
Aus GT-ish.

Multi-class suggestions will need a thread post release :)

Might actually push me to more AI/offline races.

Tank621
18-07-2017, 07:30
I'll be sure to try those combos.

GT4+TCR+Clio?
Aus GT-ish.

Multi-class suggestions will need a thread post release :)

Might actually push me to more AI/offline races.

Are you saying that someone should make a list of authentic multiclass combinations? I think I might know a guy for that Haha

EHM
18-07-2017, 07:32
I'm gonna spam Road E, F and G AI on the Ring then wait a few minutes for the traffic to spread out then fly through with something just a tad bit faster. :devilish:

Cheesenium
18-07-2017, 07:33
I'll be sure to try those combos.

GT4+TCR+Clio?
Aus GT-ish.

Multi-class suggestions will need a thread post release :)

Might actually push me to more AI/offline races.

I think you can try some really outlandish combinations such as Road B, GTO, Group 5 and GT3 in one class. If the performance is roughly the same, then, they might spawn as combined randomised grid.

I did quite enjoyed GTO and Group 5 combination for a bit of a random grid feel. The multiclass feature is a fun addition to the game.


I'm gonna spam Road E, F and G AI on the Ring then wait a few minutes for the traffic to spread out then fly through with something just a tad bit faster. :devilish:

I think this is doable if you set it to practise for a bit of a track day feel.

breyzipp
18-07-2017, 07:35
Are you saying that someone should make a list of authentic multiclass combinations? I think I might know a guy for that Haha

Lol you know what, I was already thinking of doing just that someday before I even read this. :)

1185323118
18-07-2017, 07:54
A list of cars that aren't returning to Pcars 2 (using class assignation in Pcars1)

Road Cars

Road {A}
2011 Ariel Atom 500 V8
2011 Gumpert Apollo S
2013 McLaren 12C (we have 720S now :P)
2014 Pagani Huayra (seems that WMD forgot to add the normal version)
2012 RUF CTR3 (I bet RUF's boss is crying now XD, CTR-3 could also be a good addition since it's pretty unique)
2012 RUF Rt 12 R
2014 W Motors Lykan

Road {B}
2011 Ariel Atom 300 Supercharged
2011 Ariel Atom Mugen
2011 Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG
1987 RUF CTR (CTR will be a great addition since it's a tuned car)
2013 RUF RGT-8
2013 Scion FR-S Rocket Bunny Street

Road {C}
2009 Ford Focus RS
2011 Renault Megane RS265

Road {D}
2011 Caterham Seven Classic
2013 Scion FR-S (rebadged GT86)


Track Day Cars

Prototype 2/LMP3 (Gr. CN Prototype)
2012 Palmer-Jaguar JP-LM

GT1X
2011 Pagani Zonda R
2014 RUF CTR3 SMS-R


Touring Cars

Vintage Stock Cars
1990 SMS Caper Monterey

Touring Class 3 (DTM)
2013 Mercedes-Benz C-Coupe DTM


Grand Touring Cars

GT3
2013 Audi R8 LMS Ultra
2012 BMW M3 GT2 (should be in GTE class(my favourite car in Pcars1, wish it can come back :( ))
2014 Bentley Continental GT3 (can't believe that WMD made 2015 and 2016 two separate versions but forget to bring 2014 together :P)
2012 McLaren 12C GT3
2014 RUF RGT-8 GT3

GT4
2013 Aston Martin Rapide S Hydrogen Hybrid


Prototype series

LMP1
2009 Aston Martin DBR1-2(aka Lola-Aston Martin B09/60) this car is actually a bit too outdated, should be in a class itself
2011 Audi R18 TDI (should be in a "retro LMP1" class with B09/60)

LMP2
2014 Alpine A450 (rebadged Oreca 03)


Open Wheeler Formula Series

Formula B
2011 SMS Formula B

Formula Gulf 1000
2013 FG1000

Kart One
2011 SMS 125cc Shifter Kart (the new one only has one forward gear)

Super Kart
2011 SMS 250cc Superkart

breyzipp
18-07-2017, 08:10
^^ And that is ALSO a list I was thinking about doing lol (the PCARS1 MIA list :p) but I decided not to since I figured it would just lead to complaining why car X or Y was not in the game anymore. ;)

hkraft300
18-07-2017, 08:14
Are you saying that someone should make a list of authentic multiclass combinations?


Lol you know what, I was already thinking of doing just that :)

Well.
An authentic multi-class list would be your forte.

I'm going outlandish like cheesy.
I'll be sure to give GTO+Gr5 a crack.

breyzipp
18-07-2017, 08:26
Aah well my 2 cents on the MIA list anyway :

2014 Pagani Huayra (seems that WMD forgot to add the normal version)
=> replaced by the Huayra BC

all RUFs
=> out due to Porsche being in, you see this happen in every new game now.

2013 Scion FR-S Rocket Bunny Street
=> Still in the game, just named Toyota now instead of Scion

2009 Ford Focus RS
=> This one I will miss but I have a strong suspicion it might be out because the new Focus RS might become a DLC. :) It is the ONLY Ford that didn't make it and Ford seems to be really easy to license since they are in about every racing game.

2013 Scion FR-S (rebadged GT86)
=> Thankfully!!! Toyota 86 and GT-86 is enough, Scion is just unneeded noise in the car list IMO.

2011 Pagani Zonda R
=> Replaced by the Zonda Revolucion

1990 SMS Caper Monterey
=> This I found odd, heck I didn't even know this was a fictional car. I hated it but people seemed to love it. With that open gap in vintage stockcar, this might be a clue for DLC as well. :)

2013 Mercedes-Benz C-Coupe DTM
=> Sad to see this one go since we don't have many touring cars yet. I'm sure it has it's reasons.

GT3/GT4
=> Won't miss a single thing since the PC2 list is WAY better.

retro LMP1
=> Sad but I kinda understand the reason. Too old for modern LMP1, too new for LMP900. And with only 2 cars... yes retro LMP1 would have been an option as a class on its own. I liked that Aston Lola though.

karts
=> Also suspicious move. Remove the 2 fictional shifter karts and replace them with only a 1 gear kart. You would think karts are on their way out but then we get the new Le Mans kart track as well. I also have a feeling we will get a real (not fictional) kart in one of the upcoming DLCs that will be a shifter kart and a bit stronger than the 100cc one. That is the only reason I can think of for this move. Or else because the PC1 karts were a bit too difficult maybe and were a place where many new players started out. I sure had one hell of a horror adventure with that 125cc shifter kart on that tight bended Glencairn opening race when I was still getting used to the game and playing with out-of-the-box settings. :P

Cheesenium
18-07-2017, 09:00
A list of cars that aren't returning to Pcars 2 (using class assignation in Pcars1)


The casualties isn't too bad, to be honest. I expected to lose more cars in Pcars 2 but I do miss some of the old cars like Lykan, Ruf, Focus, and Ariel. :(

Rodgerzzz
18-07-2017, 11:53
The BMW M3 GT is going to be a massive miss... one of the nicest driving vehicles in the game. I'm sure nearly the entire roster of current GTE cars will more than make up for it though.

breyzipp
18-07-2017, 12:40
The BMW M3 GT is going to be a massive miss... one of the nicest driving vehicles in the game. I'm sure nearly the entire roster of current GTE cars will more than make up for it though.

Well I am glad it's not in the GTE class or that would be the oddball, all the other GTE cars are the current ones. Personally I would have even liked to see the Z4 GT3, SLS GT3 and that 2014 Bentley be dropped out of GT3 as well to have a more modern field. Not that those cars (or the M3 GT2) should not be in the game, just not in the same class. There could always be a GT2 class and a "previous generation GT3" class as well for these cars.

Rodgerzzz
18-07-2017, 16:41
Well I am glad it's not in the GTE class or that would be the oddball, all the other GTE cars are the current ones. Personally I would have even liked to see the Z4 GT3, SLS GT3 and that 2014 Bentley be dropped out of GT3 as well to have a more modern field. Not that those cars (or the M3 GT2) should not be in the game, just not in the same class. There could always be a GT2 class and a "previous generation GT3" class as well for these cars.

Definitley, it wouldnt suit the current crop of GTE cars to have a car from a previous iteration of that class thrown in there. Whilst SMS have done brilliantly with filling classes, there's certain cars that don't need to be shoehorned into a class structure... why can't we just have a goddamn M3 GT class, get it sorted SMS! ;)

1185323118
18-07-2017, 19:56
Definitley, it wouldnt suit the current crop of GTE cars to have a car from a previous iteration of that class thrown in there. Whilst SMS have done brilliantly with filling classes, there's certain cars that don't need to be shoehorned into a class structure... why can't we just have a goddamn M3 GT class, get it sorted SMS! ;)

Maybe we can have a Retro GT2 class with M3, F430, the old V8 Vantage GT2, GT2 version of Panoz Esperante :P
GT2 class also had Spyker C8 and Jag XKR, would love to see them too!

Tank621
18-07-2017, 20:17
I've got an old programe from 2005 FIA GT at Silvestone, hardly the golden age of motorsport but certainly some nice cars
238842
238843
238844

dault3883
18-07-2017, 20:34
Tank You know i love those Ferrari 575/500's LOL

breyzipp
18-07-2017, 20:34
Goh, seeing that Tank I would just love to do a GT1 / GT2 multiclass race. :P

balderz002
19-07-2017, 14:46
Sorry about being late to the arty, and maybe recovering ground already discussed, but its a cool list, just for two things that I picked up on, and will notice during the game. I know its the opening list and DLC will come, but the fact the DBR1 and 300SL are in classes of 1 kinda bugs me. Some awesome and classic contempories exist for these classes, so I was hoping for a bit of an expansion. If you played Forza 4, you know of a few for the DBR 1, but an Aston DB2 would be great foil for the SL!

Tank621
19-07-2017, 15:35
Sorry about being late to the arty, and maybe recovering ground already discussed, but its a cool list, just for two things that I picked up on, and will notice during the game. I know its the opening list and DLC will come, but the fact the DBR1 and 300SL are in classes of 1 kinda bugs me. Some awesome and classic contempories exist for these classes, so I was hoping for a bit of an expansion. If you played Forza 4, you know of a few for the DBR 1, but an Aston DB2 would be great foil for the SL!

I suppose they are a little bit lonely, still at least we haven't got all vintage GT stuck together in 1 category like Forza, always feels wierd to have Ferrari 330s in the same race as a DBR1
If you've got anymore suggestions feel free to stick them on the request thread http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?21910-What-cars-do-you-want-to-see-in-game/page479

Tank621
19-07-2017, 17:26
They have named the class with the Ford MkIV, Ferrari 330 P4 and Lotus 40 Vintage Prototype B.
Does that suggest a degree of possibility for another Vintage Prototype class?

F1_Racer68
19-07-2017, 17:28
They have named the class with the Ford MkIV, Ferrari 330 P4 and Lotus 40 Vintage Prototype B.
Does that suggest a degree of possibility for another Vintage Prototype class?

It would at least suggest that they are keeping their options open.....

breyzipp
19-07-2017, 17:54
They have named the class with the Ford MkIV, Ferrari 330 P4 and Lotus 40 Vintage Prototype B.
Does that suggest a degree of possibility for another Vintage Prototype class?

That's like the Ford Fusion being in the "modern stock car" class in-game when it's the only stock car in the entire game, makes you wonder why that extra word needs to be there. :P

dault3883
19-07-2017, 17:57
That's like the Ford Fusion being in the "modern stock car" class in-game when it's the only stock car in the entire game, makes you wonder why that extra word needs to be there. :P

if the first game had had darlington raceway i could of gone days of thunder on it LOL

but your right since PC2 doesnt have the caper there is no need for MODERN to be with Stock car for pc2

Fight-Test
19-07-2017, 23:04
if the first game had had darlington raceway i could of gone days of thunder on it LOL

but your right since PC2 doesnt have the caper there is no need for MODERN to be with Stock car for pc2

Maybe he was alluding to the fact that they left modern in because we might see a older stock car in a dlc.

Wotever
22-07-2017, 15:32
Should be epic ! Geting ready for this :D

breyzipp
23-07-2017, 21:44
All videos from the WMD video link pages 1-50 are added now. But there are a lot more videos out there on YouTube. If you find any not on the list yet (and from build 722 or higher, +/- 13 July post date or newer) feel free to reply with the link and I will add them.

Just verified all links as well and corrected a few double posts.

dault3883
23-07-2017, 21:56
LOL even when the list is done its still not done LOL

rosko
23-07-2017, 22:34
A list of cars that aren't returning to Pcars 2 (using class assignation in Pcars1)





I think its strange the Ariel, Caterham 7 Classic & Palmer Jag are gone, first 2 classic track cars & later good partner for the radical.

dault3883
23-07-2017, 22:42
I think its strange the Ariel, Caterham 7 Classic & Palmer Jag are gone, first 2 classic track cars & later good partner for the radical.

odds are they simply couldnt secure the licensing for those cars for PCARS2

snipeme77
24-07-2017, 02:42
Maybe he was alluding to the fact that they left modern in because we might see a older stock car in a dlc.

Oh boy, I hope your right. I'll miss the Caper if nothing else because I can't jokingly call it the Crapper.

But on another note, with the vintage prototypes, how did the classing work back in the day with cars like that?

dault3883
24-07-2017, 03:06
Oh boy, I hope your right. I'll miss the Caper if nothing else because I can't jokingly call it the Crapper.

But on another note, with the vintage prototypes, how did the classing work back in the day with cars like that?

i was hoping the caper would be in it so i could do a reenactment of Days of Thunder at Daytona LOL

hkraft300
24-07-2017, 05:17
i was hoping the caper would be in it so i could do a reenactment of Days of Thunder at Daytona LOL

Well you could do talladega nights still.

dault3883
24-07-2017, 05:26
Well you could do talladega nights still.

not the same i want to hit the pace car LOL JK

breyzipp
24-07-2017, 05:57
Oh boy, I hope your right. I'll miss the Caper if nothing else because I can't jokingly call it the Crapper.

But on another note, with the vintage prototypes, how did the classing work back in the day with cars like that?

Back in the days (way back) I think there was no classing at all. It was just races for the fastest possible cars out there. Then later came the limit on engine displacement and that has been the only limit for a while too. Then came homologation etc into play.

Tank621
24-07-2017, 10:57
In the 1967 World Sportscar Championship it was split into Prototypes over 2000cc, Prototypes under 2000cc. There was also the International Championship for Sports Cars which was the GT categories of the WSC which had Division 1 (1300cc), Division 2 (2000cc) and Division 3 (2000+cc).

1967 was the year in which the Mk IV and 330P4 competed in. In 1968 the engine limit for the Group 6 prototypes was limited to 3 litres and GT was allowed 5 litre engines

balderz002
24-07-2017, 11:15
If you look at pages listing results of classic races like wiki and such like, they have them listed in engine capacity groups. such as GT3.0. GT5.0, S3.0, S750. some classes back in the day at the 24 hrs of Le Mans, only had 1 car per class.

banner77amc
24-07-2017, 17:11
Well you could do talladega nights still.

If you could only get out of the car midrace and yell "help me tom cruise!" the caper would be a welcome addition back

dault3883
24-07-2017, 17:13
If you could only get out of the car midrace and yell "help me tom cruise!" the caper would be a welcome addition back

Na i just want to be told to "HIT THE PACE CAR" LOL

konnos
25-07-2017, 09:15
I was just watching a couple of La Ferrari videos and I have to say, they look kinda weird. The car bounces on its tires/suspension way too much, without much consequence to its driveability. I think the effect is a bit overdone in this case, I would expect this from a saloon racecar most likely.

Also the green light (I think it's from the pitlane) is visible through the uphill tarmac leading to it at Sugo (it's from the link of the car video at page1), hopefully it will disappear at the final bug pass before release.

dault3883
25-07-2017, 09:24
I was just watching a couple of La Ferrari videos and I have to say, they look kinda weird. The car bounces on its tires/suspension way too much, without much consequence to its driveability. I think the effect is a bit overdone in this case, I would expect this from a saloon racecar most likely.

Also the green light (I think it's from the pitlane) is visible through the uphill tarmac leading to it at Sugo (it's from the link of the car video at page1), hopefully it will disappear at the final bug pass before release.

its probably an obsolete video

konnos
25-07-2017, 10:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMQ-4gOvfg0

The thing is that it's being played with gamepad and the exaggerated movements of the exterior camera make it look a little worse, but my spider sense is tingling on this one.

dault3883
25-07-2017, 10:15
only game i play with a wheel is project cars all my F1 games and Grid games and every thing else i play with a controll pad

Roger Prynne
25-07-2017, 13:13
^ Why is that, any particular reason?

banner77amc
25-07-2017, 16:09
^ Why is that, any particular reason?

I also play Project Cars with a wheel only. I did it because I could never get the controller set up just right and because I felt more involved.

Controller games are Forza, GranTurismo, and Need for Speed. Wheel racers are Dirt and Project Cars.

dault3883
25-07-2017, 16:56
^ Why is that, any particular reason?

because iv tried to program the wheel to other games and every time i do i lose my configuration of the wheels settings and button assignments on Project cars and after awhile that gets old having to reset the settings everytime i try to play another racing game.

also all my other games are as what Hkraft refers to as Simcade games like Codemasters F1 series games and Grid, need for speed and the nascar games and im used to using a control pad for those my logitech F310 works pretty dang good for those games. I never tried to do controller on Project cars i got the wheel and all for project cars iv always wanted to get into wheel racing right but on games like the ones above the wheel doesnt feel natural for some reason iv gotten too good with the pad on them

breyzipp
25-07-2017, 17:20
I also play Project Cars with a wheel only. I did it because I could never get the controller set up just right and because I felt more involved.

Controller games are Forza, GranTurismo, and Need for Speed. Wheel racers are Dirt and Project Cars.

Both Dirt Rally and Dirt 4 work well with a controller. I would even dare to say that Dirt 4 in gamer mode with all assists off beats Forza since the handling and FFB are better.

hkraft300
25-07-2017, 18:19
...
also all my other games are as what Hkraft refers to as Simcade games ...

*looks down from my high horse with extra elevated padded saddle*

dault3883
25-07-2017, 18:26
*looks down from my high horse with extra elevated padded saddle*

its true thats what codemasters games are as great of games as they are they are geared towards the masses not the sim racers only....kinda like forza

konnos
25-07-2017, 21:25
I was just watching a couple of La Ferrari videos and I have to say, they look kinda weird. The car bounces on its tires/suspension way too much, without much consequence to its driveability. I think the effect is a bit overdone in this case, I would expect this from a saloon racecar most likely.

I noticed no one commented regarding this. Does that mean it looks ok to everyone else?

dault3883
25-07-2017, 21:29
I noticed no one commented regarding this. Does that mean it looks ok to everyone else?

i commented on it said it might be an old video from early production

Tank621
25-07-2017, 22:01
I noticed no one commented regarding this. Does that mean it looks ok to everyone else?

I'd say using videos to see the behaviour of a car in game should always be taken with a pinch of salt. It's difficult to actually tell the impact of such effects from video alone, alas I have no actual experience of the game so videos and insight from those who do have early access are all I have to go on.

rosko
25-07-2017, 22:38
I'd say using videos to see the behaviour of a car in game should always be taken with a pinch of salt. It's difficult to actually tell the impact of such effects from video alone, alas I have no actual experience of the game so videos and insight from those who do have early access are all I have to go on.

I would say if the video shows obvious strange behaviour like in this video, I won't be needing any salt. Bug, wip, setup or just by design, it is unrealistic.

dault3883
25-07-2017, 22:39
I would say if the video shows obvious strange behaviour like in this video, I won't be needing any salt. Bug, wip, setup or just by design, it is unrealistic.

again you are probably looking at an old video

Edit: its also the Nurburgring Nordschliefe and it is in NO WAY smooth what so ever

rosko
25-07-2017, 22:48
again you are probably looking at an old video

Edit: its also the Nurburgring Nordschliefe and it is in NO WAY smooth what so ever

I know what track it is. And I'm certain it's a recent video.

dault3883
25-07-2017, 22:56
I know what track it is. And I'm certain it's a recent video.

just because the date says it was put up on July 2017 doesnt mean thats when it was recorded

rosko
25-07-2017, 23:28
just because the date says it was put up on July 2017 doesnt mean thats when it was recorded
You followed up my reply to your patronising comment with a patronising comment. :eek:Thanks.

Bliman
25-07-2017, 23:54
Yeah I have seen this video also.
It is this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMQ-4gOvfg0
I think it is the new build (referenced to the other video's I watched). But some would know for sure.
I think that it is as intended and I also think it's way to much and looks unrealistic.
You also see if he switches to inboard camera there is much less bouncing.
The one who played in the video said that he didn't change any car settings.

breyzipp
26-07-2017, 00:13
Yeah I have seen this video also.
It is this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMQ-4gOvfg0
I think it is the new build (referenced to the other video's I watched). But some would know for sure.
I think that it is as intended and I also think it's way to much and looks unrealistic.
You also see if he switches to inboard camera there is much less bouncing.
The one who played in the video said that he didn't change any car settings.

Reminds me of the Bannochbrae 720S E3 demo video where I also thought the car bounced a bit too much up and down. Let's hope it still gets tweaked a bit before release.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkqFbyH1xeY

Konan
26-07-2017, 03:30
Yep...it's being worked on right now as a matter of fact...:cool:

Fanapryde
26-07-2017, 05:41
I noticed no one commented regarding this. Does that mean it looks ok to everyone else?
I just had al look at the video. It is not the bouncing that bothers me (it's mostly the follow cam that accentuates this) but the way he cuts corners and drives over the grass (and the moment at the Karroussel) without being send into the barriers...
Like there is a magic hand in play (maybe the use of assists ?
That said, compared to RL, there seems to be not enough bouncing on the long straight imo.

breyzipp
26-07-2017, 06:50
Yep...it's being worked on right now as a matter of fact...:cool:

Great!!

Mahjik
26-07-2017, 13:19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0T0XWBC40


I just had al look at the video. It is not the bouncing that bothers me (it's mostly the follow cam that accentuates this) but the way he cuts corners and drives over the grass (and the moment at the Karroussel) without being send into the barriers...
Like there is a magic hand in play (maybe the use of assists ?
That said, compared to RL, there seems to be not enough bouncing on the long straight imo.

Why does everyone think touching grass is an insta-crash?

Fanapryde
26-07-2017, 13:51
Why does everyone think touching grass is an insta-crash?
Touching grass is not (always) equal to insta-crash.
But on the Nordschleife it is often so.
It is still a public road and the grass is not like it is laid on a very hard layer.
There are hundreds of vids like this (always grass related):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmeXt7qselo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvW7uVDBoEA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38CacmvFvvM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z_9j3ybbX4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCB_xB9Bqog


In the video I see at least 3 "grass moments" that IRL would have lead to a crash, not talking about some curbs that are a no-no on the Ring. Which lead me to believe there were assists involved.

breyzipp
26-07-2017, 13:57
Well we seem to have a theme for the next one...
Project CARS 3 - The Real Grass Simulator

Mahjik
26-07-2017, 13:59
Those crashes all started way before hitting the grass. There is a difference between going off into the grass at an angle and trying to recover, verses putting two wheels off on the grass on a straight or inside corner. I can say that if you off into the grass like in the videos above, you will slide in PC2 just like the cars in those videos. However if you put two wheels off driving down a straight like in the Bathurst video I posted, you won't spin and will will drive like in the video. I will also say braking while having one tire off is going to give you fits as well (just like in RL).

in short, it's more than just touching grass; it's what the car is doing when it touches the grass that matters most.

Mahjik
26-07-2017, 14:00
Actually, that last one was because of the raised curb not the grass...

Tank621
26-07-2017, 14:25
Why does everyone think touching grass is an insta-crash?

Not as bad as some comments I've seen on PCars 2 videos which claim it is unrealistic because "when 2 cars touch going more than 50mph they will crash". I mean have they ever seen a real life race?

Fanapryde
26-07-2017, 15:01
Those crashes all started way before hitting the grass. There is a difference between going off into the grass at an angle and trying to recover, verses putting two wheels off on the grass on a straight or inside corner. I can say that if you off into the grass like in the videos above, you will slide in PC2 just like the cars in those videos. However if you put two wheels off driving down a straight like in the Bathurst video I posted, you won't spin and will will drive like in the video. I will also say braking while having one tire off is going to give you fits as well (just like in RL).

in short, it's more than just touching grass; it's what the car is doing when it touches the grass that matters most.
Well, some may be discutable, but the one in the Ferrari 458 is not imo.
I just took the time to watch the in game video again and I strongly believe that these moments would have lead to a crash irl (on the Nords):
01'15: Schwedenkreuz
01'40: Fuchsröhre
01'47: Adenauer Forst
02'46: Breidscheid...with some real luck, he may have gotten away with that though
04'45: just before Eschbach (he did hit the crash barrier but did not seem affected too much)
05'19: Pflanzgarten: full downhill, jumping the crest, hitting the raised curb on the right side, car unbalanced going wide in the right hander in the gravel at that speed: always crash : 1000%

Tank621
26-07-2017, 15:05
Interesting DLC news
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/project-cars-2-interview

"Are there any particular cars you still want to capture that have eluded you?

We have some cars coming for DLC that are these one-off million dollar race cars, of which there are three in the world type of thing. I can't tell you the name of the cars, but there are some that we really had to work hard to find private owners who'd let us run their cars."

VelvetTorpedo
26-07-2017, 15:19
That's exciting. Might be fun to put this in the "What DLC cars do you want" thread :) for all the speculation haha.

hkraft300
26-07-2017, 15:22
in short, it's more than just touching grass; it's what the car is doing when it touches the grass that matters most.

The way I see it:
Unloaded tyre + grass or kerb = not much. Outside loaded tyre + grass on the outside = say hello to my little concrete/armco friend.

F1_Racer68
26-07-2017, 22:21
The way I see it:
Unloaded tyre + grass or kerb = not much. Outside loaded tyre + grass on the outside = say hello to my little concrete/armco friend.

I would agree with that. I would also agree with Mahjik that simply touching grass does not = instaspin.

The problem is, as with most sim racer comments, is that's what we have become used to over the years. But just because every sim in history has done it this way DOESN'T MEAN IT'S REALISTIC.

Watch some real life racing (CTSCC, PWC, IWTC, BTCC, WTCC, hell, even IndyCar). There are PLENTY of real life examples of passes with wheels in the grass/off track. Does no one remember the now infamous "pass" by Alex Zanardi on Bryan Herta at Laguna Seca? Let me refresh your memory.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywsB65YfLOQ

(For the record: The pass was deemed legal because he completed it BEFORE he went off track.)

dault3883
26-07-2017, 22:34
i think if it had not been for alex zanardi loosing both his legs in that tragic accident he had would of been F1 material he was an incredible driver

rosko
26-07-2017, 22:40
I can catch the grass in Assetto Corsa, it really does depend on the situation. I'll wait till its out & see how it feels as you should feel the lack of traction right away.

Tank621
26-07-2017, 22:42
Watch some real life racing (CTSCC, PWC, IWTC, BTCC, WTCC, hell, even IndyCar). There are PLENTY of real life examples of passes with wheels in the grass/off track. Does no one remember the now infamous "pass" by Alex Zanardi on Bryan Herta at Laguna Seca?

(For the record: The pass was deemed legal because he completed it BEFORE he went off track.)

Didn't they change the rules afterwards because of that pass?
Zanardi is a complete legend, I don't think there is any other driver I have more respect for than him. Very successful Indycar driver, continued to be a strong competitor in racing long after his crash at the Lausitzring and is a 4 time Gold medal paralympian.


i think if it had not been for alex zanardi loosing both his legs in that tragic accident he had would of been F1 material he was an incredible driver

And Dault he did race in F1 (1991-94 and 1999) and scored 1 point in 41 starts driving for 4 different teams

FS7
26-07-2017, 22:44
i think if it had not been for alex zanardi loosing both his legs in that tragic accident he had would of been F1 material he was an incredible driver
Iirc Zanardi raced in F1 before he lost his legs.

Mahjik
26-07-2017, 22:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RbHj0DK2eU


Well, some may be discutable, but the one in the Ferrari 458 is not imo.
I just took the time to watch the in game video again and I strongly believe that these moments would have lead to a crash irl (on the Nords):
01'15: Schwedenkreuz
01'40: Fuchsröhre
01'47: Adenauer Forst
02'46: Breidscheid...with some real luck, he may have gotten away with that though
04'45: just before Eschbach (he did hit the crash barrier but did not seem affected too much)
05'19: Pflanzgarten: full downhill, jumping the crest, hitting the raised curb on the right side, car unbalanced going wide in the right hander in the gravel at that speed: always crash : 1000%

BTW, that is the LaFerrari not a 458. But, I don't agree with all of those... 4:45 is one where I expected things "not to work out" and they didn't.

Watch the video above, the guy stopped fairly well off track. Grass is a problem if you are trying to do maneuvers in it (i.e. hard acceleration, hard braking, hard turning). If you aren't doing any of those, it's not that much of a problem.


https://youtu.be/b88_EruzVds


https://youtu.be/1VRRubOnPLA

There are plenty more. I know many racers who have done and continue to do what the GT3 GT-R did with putting two wheels off the make the pass. They will do it in a heartbeat without a care unless the grass is wet.

What will be a problem (without assists) is doing things like putting one side of the car off tarmac and braking. That will cause you a problem in PC2 as well.

F1_Racer68
27-07-2017, 02:04
i think if it had not been for alex zanardi loosing both his legs in that tragic accident he had would of been F1 material he was an incredible driver

He drove in F1 (1991 - 1994) before he moved to CART ;)

Unfortunatley he didn't have any top tier drives. He ran mainly with Jordan and then Lotus as well as a brief "guest appearnace" with Minardi in 1992.

dault3883
27-07-2017, 02:36
He drove in F1 (1991 - 1994) before he moved to CART ;)

Unfortunatley he didn't have any top tier drives. He ran mainly with Jordan and then Lotus as well as a brief "guest appearnace" with Minardi in 1992.

if he had had a top tier ride he would of been awesome

Fanapryde
27-07-2017, 08:10
BTW, that is the LaFerrari not a 458. But, I don't agree with all of those... 4:45 is one where I expected things "not to work out" and they didn't.

I think you are mixing up now. :)
The LaFerrari features in the pCars video.
The one that crashed IRL on the Ring (the video I added) is a 458.

That aside, I don't (completely) disagree with you, I merely reacted to your quote as "why people think touching grass is a insta crash".
It is obviously not, but it can be, and the moments I pointed out in the LaFerrari video are almost certain insta crash, on the Ring that is.
I wrote before that you can not compare the off-road grass at the Ring to the almost concrete based grass on race tracks. It is soft, and even in dry conditions the grip is really low, even rejoining after a crash/spin is slow and difficult. Therefor I believe that the 'recovery' in the moment you agreed with (Eschbach) is not realistic either. Just rejoining like that after that hit ...

And since we are exchanging vids, how about this one: (starting at 00:35). (I'll give you that this is artificial grass, but that would be on a hard suface).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsQHqh8AQLs

As for the Roebling off-road video: did notice how much space there is available ? On the Ring --> Armco...

cmch15
27-07-2017, 11:25
Like there is a magic hand in play (maybe the use of assists?

I think the mix of it being played on pad with visual wheel filtering on, (probably) every assist on, which tends to make things behave in weird ways. And chase cam is for GTA, not racing, but that Ferrari does look like it basically has no damping on the rear.


Most of the videos are looking awesome, although I don't think VR videos are helping, as everything seems to look ludicrously fast. All the fixed cockpit view videos look normal.

banner77amc
27-07-2017, 12:16
Grass is ok if you hit it straight on and through... when you start to try to pull the momentum of the car out of it is the problem most of the time.

breyzipp
27-07-2017, 13:03
Grass is ok if you hit it straight on and through... when you start to try to pull the momentum of the car out of it is the problem most of the time.

Exactly! People seem to assume way too fast that if you hit grass you should automatically end up in the barriers which is so wrong! It depends on so many factors if you would do so or not, like accelleration/decelleration, momentum, AWD vs FWD vs RWD vs weight balance of the car, etc.

It's the same as driving on snowy roads in winter IRL. I never have winter tyres on my car and I never slide out of control either. Yes ABS helps with that but it doesn't even come into action. The simple knowledge of physics to not make any sudden or brutal changes to the momentum of your car is key. Accelerate slowly but when at high speeds, decelerate slowly as well. And adjust your speed (well in time) to the radius of corners that you will take. In short: anticipate the situation well aforehand. I love driving in snow tbh, if only we could stop this global warming so we have some snow in winter again in Belgium. :(

Mahjik
27-07-2017, 13:45
I think you are mixing up now. :)
The LaFerrari features in the pCars video.
The one that crashed IRL on the Ring (the video I added) is a 458.

In your message you say:


Well, some may be discutable, but the one in the Ferrari 458 is not imo.
I just took the time to watch the in game video again and I strongly believe that these moments would have lead to a crash irl (on the Nords):
01'15: Schwedenkreuz
01'40: Fuchsröhre
01'47: Adenauer Forst
02'46: Breidscheid...with some real luck, he may have gotten away with that though
04'45: just before Eschbach (he did hit the crash barrier but did not seem affected too much)
05'19: Pflanzgarten: full downhill, jumping the crest, hitting the raised curb on the right side, car unbalanced going wide in the right hander in the gravel at that speed: always crash : 1000%


So it appears you are referring to the PC2 LaFerrari with your timestamps correct? You don't make a distinction in what you typed since you started by talking about the 458. The assumption with the timestamps following that comment is that you are saying the PC2 video is a 458.

Anyway, with the 458 video, it appears he's braking for the left hand turn when he drops a wheel (the fact that the car spins inward is a sign of that as there is more traction on the tarmac side when he tries to brake). Hard to say exactly without telemetry or a footbox video but most drivers would brake some at that spot to load/steady the car for the turn. If so, then yes that's a spin or at least will require some quick hands (and it will in PC2 as well). The car is also pretty loaded which is also one of the things I mentioned.


And since we are exchanging vids, how about this one: (starting at 00:35). (I'll give you that this is artificial grass, but that would be on a hard suface).

That's also a damp track. You have damp turf and possibly a web curb, which then the car spins into wet grass. As I mentioned, when things are wet, the variables change.


As for the Roebling off-road video: did notice how much space there is available ? On the Ring --> Armco...

The point of that video was people perceive you cannot stop on grass, which is incorrect as well. Based on how rF1/rF2 handle non-tarmac surfaces like ice, people believe that is real life which is not correct. You can slow down and stop on "dry" grass. Wet grass is a different animal.

banner77amc
27-07-2017, 13:49
Exactly! People seem to assume way too fast that if you hit grass you should automatically end up in the barriers which is so wrong! It depends on so many factors if you would do so or not, like accelleration/decelleration, momentum, AWD vs FWD vs RWD vs weight balance of the car, etc.

It's the same as driving on snowy roads in winter IRL. I never have winter tyres on my car and I never slide out of control either. Yes ABS helps with that but it doesn't even come into action. The simple knowledge of physics to not make any sudden or brutal changes to the momentum of your car is key. Accelerate slowly but when at high speeds, decelerate slowly as well. And adjust your speed (well in time) to the radius of corners that you will take. In short: anticipate the situation well aforehand. I love driving in snow tbh, if only we could stop this global warming so we have some snow in winter again in Belgium. :(

Some people remember the bad games that made a car spin out when it touched grass just a bit. Even in motor racing its never that dramatic. Its over correction that makes it dramatic.

breyzipp
27-07-2017, 17:04
Some people remember the bad games that made a car spin out when it touched grass just a bit. Even in motor racing its never that dramatic. Its over correction that makes it dramatic.

What I mostly remember from grass in racing games is the horror experience in Forza Motorsport :

* FM5 has this unrealistic "slow grass" which was Turn 10's answer to corner cutting.... LMAO. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F60P5r0P7fk)
* FM6 has this unrealistic "pulling grass" so when you drive with 2 wheels on grass, 2 on tarmac, the grass is pulling you deeper into it in a very unrealistic way. You seriously need to steer heavy out of it to get back on the tarmac. Feels extremely unrealistic.

So honestly, the grass in PCARS 2 looks quite green to me compared to other games' grass problems...

cmch15
27-07-2017, 17:26
Generally I think PC1 grass was pretty good when you put a wheel or two off. But I wonder whether PC2 grass will prevent the "top drivers" using the grass to help slow them down under braking, by driving half on the grass and opening up corner entries... ☺️

banner77amc
27-07-2017, 17:27
GT also had grass pull or grass slick issues as I remember. Seemed to be outside passing would ruin any chances if one wheel hit sod.

rosko
27-07-2017, 17:30
I think you are mixing up now. :)
The LaFerrari features in the pCars video.
The one that crashed IRL on the Ring (the video I added) is a 458.

That aside, I don't (completely) disagree with you, I merely reacted to your quote as "why people think touching grass is a insta crash".
It is obviously not, but it can be, and the moments I pointed out in the LaFerrari video are almost certain insta crash, on the Ring that is.
I wrote before that you can not compare the off-road grass at the Ring to the almost concrete based grass on race tracks. It is soft, and even in dry conditions the grip is really low, even rejoining after a crash/spin is slow and difficult. Therefor I believe that the 'recovery' in the moment you agreed with (Eschbach) is not realistic either. Just rejoining like that after that hit ...

And since we are exchanging vids, how about this one: (starting at 00:35). (I'll give you that this is artificial grass, but that would be on a hard suface).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsQHqh8AQLs

As for the Roebling off-road video: did notice how much space there is available ? On the Ring --> Armco...

He applies the brakes to avoid lumbering car.

Mahjik
27-07-2017, 17:59
Generally I think PC1 grass was pretty good when you put a wheel or two off. But I wonder whether PC2 grass will prevent the "top drivers" using the grass to help slow them down under braking, by driving half on the grass and opening up corner entries... ☺️

Yep, using the grass for extra braking is not going to be a thing in PC2. ;)


For everyone, I'm not going to say the behavior when hitting the grass for all weather conditions and all possible permutations will be perfect in PC2. I will say for most normal conditions (dry grass) the behavior will be for the most part mirror what you people see in RL videos. I'm sure there are going to be plenty of situations that people find where the behavior is not "exact" to RL. I'm not sure there is a sim out there today that you can't poke at and find weird cases. But I do think PC2 will move the bar a little higher in this area as well as few others. ;)

breyzipp
27-07-2017, 18:14
Generally I think PC1 grass was pretty good when you put a wheel or two off. But I wonder whether PC2 grass will prevent the "top drivers" using the grass to help slow them down under braking, by driving half on the grass and opening up corner entries... ☺️

Wouldn't that be easily fixed by giving grass a little bit of "ice surface" slippery character? AKA you can't have much grip there so grass would be bad for accelerating and bad for braking? And it would be quite bumpy from speeding through it, especially with stiff suspension (hey, just like in real life :p)

Mahjik
27-07-2017, 18:19
The bumpy part is what we miss in sims.. It just takes a lot of resources currently to be able to process it as well as the track modelers being able to create a believable surface. That is going to be the next thing in sims.

cmch15
27-07-2017, 18:56
Wouldn't that be easily fixed by giving grass a little bit of "ice surface" slippery character?

I guess so, but not too much. We don't want to be doing 360's in gravel at 40kph (Assetto ;).

If the grass was the same as PC1 it would still be ok IMO. I did try to join the slow down on the grass braking club, but I couldn't train myself to do it. It just goes against instinct and isn't as enjoyable as driving properly.


The bumpy part is what we miss in sims.. It just takes a lot of resources currently to be able to process it as well as the track modelers being able to create a believable surface. That is going to be the next thing in sims.

I imagine the addition of RallyX has helped with how it handles different surfaces?!

Tank621
27-07-2017, 19:16
The real question is whether or not the grass has accurately modelled growth rates for each season?

I mean you can hardly call it a simulator if not

dault3883
27-07-2017, 19:23
The real question is whether or not the grass has accurately modelled growth rates for each season?

I mean you can hardly call it a simulator if not

the grass growth rate is the last thing im worried about

Konan
27-07-2017, 19:28
The real question is whether or not the grass has accurately modelled growth rates for each season?

I mean you can hardly call it a simulator if not

It has but you'll never notice it since the maintenance guys keep it short...LOL

dault3883
27-07-2017, 19:33
It has but you'll never notice it since the maintenance guys keep it short...LOL

Hey look at that the Grass cutters are out LOL

F1_Racer68
27-07-2017, 19:46
Wouldn't that be easily fixed by giving grass a little bit of "ice surface" slippery character? AKA you can't have much grip there so grass would be bad for accelerating and bad for braking? And it would be quite bumpy from speeding through it, especially with stiff suspension (hey, just like in real life :p)

The thing is IRL, even braking, accelerating, and steering on ice is quite possible and relatively easy..... so long as you KNOW you are on that ice ;) (and no, oyu don't need special studded/spiked tires). I have 34 years of Canadian winter driving experience to back that up LOL

Grass is the same IRL. If you know you are on it and accommodate for it, you can manage quite easily. As mentioned though, the loss of grip caused by the stiff suspension over a very bumpy surface is an entirely different thing.

Mahjik
27-07-2017, 19:50
I imagine the addition of RallyX has helped with how it handles different surfaces?!

Yep!


The real question is whether or not the grass has accurately modelled growth rates for each season?

I mean you can hardly call it a simulator if not

On September 22nd, you will see the trademark of LiveGrass (seriously). ;)

breyzipp
27-07-2017, 20:04
The bumpy part is what we miss in sims.. It just takes a lot of resources currently to be able to process it as well as the track modelers being able to create a believable surface. That is going to be the next thing in sims.

Tbh I wouldn't even worry much about it and frankly I don't care much about the grass either for the "next thing" in sims. As someone already said, grass was already quite fine in PC1. I hope the next thing is further enhancing the realism feel and innersion, more tracks and locations, more real life championships licenses. Keep the grass for the cows IMO. :)


The real question is whether or not the grass has accurately modelled growth rates for each season?

I mean you can hardly call it a simulator if not

I can already hear Ben Collins through the radio: *SHSSCK* "we have some local rain in the back of the circuit, be careful on your next pass there as we expect the grass to have grown a bit" *SHSSCK*

Exclusive sneak peak of... :


Well we seem to have a theme for the next one...
Project CARS 3 - The Real Grass Simulator

amazed
27-07-2017, 20:07
It has but you'll never notice it since the maintenance guys keep it short...LOL

Lawnmower racing for PC3 confirmed! :p

rosko
27-07-2017, 20:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAql7fO1vvw

3:51

breyzipp
27-07-2017, 20:26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAql7fO1vvw

3:51

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjNPwTr5Sk4

0:44
(not about Kyle Bush crashing but the 3 cars dodging him and just racing through the grass without any problem other than some dust)

Tank621
27-07-2017, 20:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjNPwTr5Sk4

0:44
(not about Kyle Bush crashing but the 3 cars dodging him and just racing through the grass without any problem other than some dust)

Breyzipp, are you feeling ill or something because those are some ovals

breyzipp
27-07-2017, 20:33
Breyzipp, are you feeling ill or something because those are some ovals

Haha. :P

Well it was the second video result of my "racing grass" Google search. ;)

This was the first result FYI. :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJel8dJuPH8

banner77amc
27-07-2017, 20:59
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble but the game exists already for lawnmower racing

239063

rosko
27-07-2017, 21:33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAql7fO1vvw

3:51

These cars should be difficult to drive even on tarmac. Tyres back then were really very poor & yet seems to become a rally car on the grass here.

Mahjik
27-07-2017, 22:42
These cars should be difficult to drive even on tarmac. Tyres back then were really very poor & yet seems to become a rally car on the grass here.

That's the Lotus 25, not the 49 which is completely different. The Lotus 25 is pretty under powered (under 200hp) compared to the latter cars like the 49 at over 400hp.... Listen to some of the comments of the car:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L1tHavnd9w

F1_Racer68
28-07-2017, 01:14
These cars should be difficult to drive even on tarmac. Tyres back then were really very poor & yet seems to become a rally car on the grass here.

You seem to be completely ignoring the fact that the driver did EXACTLY what he should have done, which is the same thing you do in ice and snow. No suddent movements, and no sudden change in speed. He kept steady throttle (you can hear it on the video) and slowly eased the car back onto the tarmac. There was absolutely NO REASON for that car to spin just because it hit grass.

Watch this video of the classic battle between Rene Arnoux and Gilles Villeneuve in 1979 at the French GP at Dijon. Pay attention to Arnoux at the 1:25 mark.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nxwn3OHkEw

Just to clarify, this is what he drove over.......

239066

That is dried grass and loose sand. How'd he make out?

banner77amc
28-07-2017, 02:26
He had dirt aero ;)

amazed
28-07-2017, 09:12
Adjustable air suspension....;)

Konan
28-07-2017, 09:14
239068

dault3883
28-07-2017, 13:31
Konon is that your car LOL JK

F1_Racer68
28-07-2017, 13:47
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble but the game exists already for lawnmower racing

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I'm IN for this. Got my ride all ready to go:

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dault3883
28-07-2017, 14:10
I'm IN for this. Got my ride all ready to go:

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this is the product of a John Deere Jaguar Coupling LOL JK

Konan
28-07-2017, 17:08
Konon is that your car LOL JK

I wish...:cool:

dault3883
28-07-2017, 17:42
239068

Konan you put your tires on the wrong side. the tread is going the wrong way LOL :p

Konan
28-07-2017, 17:44
That's because it's based on a Belgian tank: one speed forward and five backwards...:p

F1_Racer68
28-07-2017, 17:47
That's because it's based on a Belgian tank: one speed forward and five backwards...:p

Clearly that tank was designed AFTER consuming copious amounts of Belgian Ale ;)

Konan
28-07-2017, 17:52
Clearly that tank was designed AFTER consuming copious amounts of Belgian Ale ;)

Belgian engineer acquired uniform:

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dault3883
28-07-2017, 17:55
Belgian engineer acquired uniform:

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at least you belgians can make waffles right LOL JK :p

Tank621
28-07-2017, 18:27
That's because it's based on a Belgian tank: one speed forward and five backwards...:p

Belgium built a tank? What did it do? hide at the first sight of all the stolen Czech tanks that the Germans were using

Konan
28-07-2017, 18:29
Belgium built a tank? What did it do? hide at the first sight of all the stolen Czech tanks that the Germans were using

That's where the five speeds backwards came in handy...:p

banner77amc
28-07-2017, 18:31
Sometimes Alcohol can really loosen up your abilities ;)

Konan
28-07-2017, 18:32
Sometimes Alcohol can really loosen up your abilities ;)

That's what you think at that time at least...:cool:

dault3883
28-07-2017, 18:36
That's where the five speeds backwards came in handy...:p

one thing Belgians and french have in common....Retreating LOL JK :p

Konan
28-07-2017, 18:40
Don't get me started on our history mate...you'd be surprised...
Anyway enough of my silly rambling...let's move on...

Nice full carlist ey...:p

Tank621
28-07-2017, 18:56
One thing I find a little bit odd is the change in this category

Vintage Formula F1 {C}
1967 Lotus Type 49 Cosworth {vid}
1970 Lotus Type 49C Cosworth
1972 Lotus Type 72D Cosworth

I can understand having the 49C with one or the other but having the original 49 and 72D in the same category seems like it could be a bit unbalanced

breyzipp
28-07-2017, 19:56
Belgium built a tank? What did it do? hide at the first sight of all the stolen Czech tanks that the Germans were using

We don't build stuff, we let other countries build it and they buy them with civilian tax money. :)

Most famous tank from the Belgian army is the Leopard 1A5 tank, German of origin. I don't think we have them anymore at the moment tbh. During the annual parades the only thing we see is some vehicles on boring rubber wheels. :P

http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/europe/belgium/main_battle_tank/leopard_1a5/pictures/Leopard_1_main_battle_tank_Belgium_Belgian_Army_028.jpg

Konan
28-07-2017, 20:40
During the annual parades the only thing we see is some vehicles on boring rubber wheels. :P

...going backwards...:p

F1_Racer68
28-07-2017, 22:25
We don't build stuff, we let other countries build it and they buy them with civilian tax money. :)

Most famous tank from the Belgian army is the Leopard 1A5 tank, German of origin. I don't think we have them anymore at the moment tbh. During the annual parades the only thing we see is some vehicles on boring rubber wheels. :P

http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/europe/belgium/main_battle_tank/leopard_1a5/pictures/Leopard_1_main_battle_tank_Belgium_Belgian_Army_028.jpg

Think they have been retired globally. We used them in Canada too. Were actually a pretty good tank in their day.

dault3883
28-07-2017, 22:33
Think they have been retired globally. We used them in Canada too. Were actually a pretty good tank in their day.

what you couldnt buy tanks from your american neighbors? bet shipping would of been cheaper LOL

Konan
28-07-2017, 22:38
what you couldnt buy tanks from your american neighbors? bet shipping would of been cheaper LOL

You can never beat German reliability...:cool:

Tank621
28-07-2017, 22:39
what you couldnt buy tanks from your american neighbors? bet shipping would of been cheaper LOL

Because they wanted a good tank...

But apparently they didn't want the best because if they did they would have gotten some Challenger 2s

We have gone waaayyy off topic but I don't care tbh. My name ain't Tank for nothing


You can never beat German reliability...

Nah German tanks are too overcomplicated I mean look at the Panther it spent most of its time broken down or shearing off its own drive sprockets

Konan
28-07-2017, 22:40
The list is complete...how can we go on topic...LOL

Tank621
28-07-2017, 22:44
The list is complete...how can we go on topic...LOL

DLC? Maybe they can add in a T-34 or something

Konan
28-07-2017, 22:46
Nah...i like the Tiger way better...(although that is a bad example of German Reliability)

dault3883
28-07-2017, 22:51
SMS next game Project Tanks release date yet to be announced LOL

Tank621
28-07-2017, 22:54
Can we start a new off topic thread just talking about tanks? I could do this for a month

dault3883
28-07-2017, 22:55
Can we start a new off topic thread just talking about tanks? I could do this for a month

sure but you should be the one to start it Tanks started by Tank LOL

Tank621
28-07-2017, 23:04
sure but you should be the one to start it Tanks started by Tank LOL

Yeah about that...

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?50917-Tank-s-Tank-talk&p=1348129#post1348129

Bliman
29-07-2017, 10:31
If you go off the track with one side with a tank do you end in the barrier?
Is this realistically simulated or do you only slow down. ;)?

breyzipp
29-07-2017, 10:43
If you go off the track with one side with a tank do you burst through the barrier?
Is this realistically simulated or do you only slow down. ;)?

FTFY. :)

Cote Dazur
29-07-2017, 12:45
Is there a list of the cars new to PCars2, same for the tracks? So just the new to PCars 2 minus all we already have in PCars 1

Roger Prynne
29-07-2017, 14:51
Is there a list of the cars new to PCars2, same for the tracks? So just the new to PCars 2 minus all we already have in PCars 1

No, but you could use these lists and work it out for yourself.

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?49899-Project-CARS-2-The-FULL-car-list-at-launch-Sept-22nd-(all-197-cars)

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?49905-Project-CARS-2-The-FULL-track-list-at-launch-Sept-22nd

breyzipp
29-07-2017, 15:10
Is there a list of the cars new to PCars2, same for the tracks? So just the new to PCars 2 minus all we already have in PCars 1


No, but you could use these lists and work it out for yourself.

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?49899-Project-CARS-2-The-FULL-car-list-at-launch-Sept-22nd-(all-197-cars)

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?49905-Project-CARS-2-The-FULL-track-list-at-launch-Sept-22nd

To help you with working it out yourself, the following could be handly. :)

all PCARS1 cars : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FZsbSUYE5aRcLFD6Zh6Xi1Eso7_cN2Hl1BjYVqPByjs/edit#gid=0
all tracks on my XBox One racing games (you can filter out PCARS1) : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XJ-sC4eQmhQbLv6VcrvP29d8nsSTVyVGgUDlRmy5R90/edit#gid=1361994266

banner77amc
31-07-2017, 12:54
Is there a list of the cars new to PCars2, same for the tracks? So just the new to PCars 2 minus all we already have in PCars 1

If anyone has a list like this its BreyZipp

breyzipp
31-07-2017, 13:53
If anyone has a list like this its BreyZipp

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dault3883
31-07-2017, 14:11
they dont call Breyzipp the List Master for nothing

Tank621
31-07-2017, 15:20
All Hail Lord Breyzipp of the House Breyzipp, First of his Name. Warden of the Lists and Protector of The Spreadsheets, Keeper the Car Lists and the Track Lists and Breaker of Disorganisation

dault3883
31-07-2017, 15:27
All Hail Lord Breyzipp of the House Breyzipp, First of his Name. Warden of the Lists and Protector of The Spreadsheets, Keeper the Car Lists and the Track Lists and Breaker of Disorganisation

and a remarkable Control Pad user at that LOL

on a serious note Descrimination of pad users must end have we learned nothing of what segregation does in the past

Tank621
31-07-2017, 15:30
and a remarkable Control Pad user at that LOL

on a serious note Descrimination of pad users must end have we learned nothing of what segregation does in the past

I mostly use a controller too, it's a right pain in the backside to get the wheel out

dault3883
31-07-2017, 16:03
I mostly use a controller too, it's a right pain in the backside to get the wheel out

thats why i built my rig up so i wouldnt have to put it up

banner77amc
31-07-2017, 16:33
thats why i built my rig up so i wouldnt have to put it up

I need mine to be an automatic transforming controller to rig set up. Currently its about as hard to crawl into as a Indy/F1 cockpit.

dault3883
31-07-2017, 16:48
I need mine to be an automatic transforming controller to rig set up. Currently its about as hard to crawl into as a Indy/F1 cockpit.

im telling you you need the playseat challenge it folds up too so it would keep the wife happy banner

amazed
31-07-2017, 19:04
I mostly use a controller too, it's a right pain in the backside to get the wheel out

Shouldn't keep the wheel in your backside.... *badum-tish*

cmch15
01-08-2017, 08:59
im telling you you need the playseat challenge it folds up too so it would keep the wife happy banner

I'll second that, I really like my Challenge. "She" is still not happy but does agree it's better than I had before.

I used to have a homemade folding table but I had to rebuild and attach everything each time. Being able to leave everything attached means I can be setup in 5mins as opposed to 15+.

banner77amc
01-08-2017, 12:04
im telling you you need the playseat challenge it folds up too so it would keep the wife happy banner

I'm considering a room dedicated to it with the playseat... but in the next few months it will be time to look for Project BMW E30 so I must choose my money spend wisely.

dault3883
01-08-2017, 14:05
I'm considering a room dedicated to it with the playseat... but in the next few months it will be time to look for Project BMW E30 so I must choose my money spend wisely.

so the wife letting you get another BMW?

banner77amc
01-08-2017, 14:19
so the wife letting you get another BMW?

Yes and hopefully I can find one that runs but that I can tinker with. Perhaps make it look similar to this eventually... 239140

Tank621
02-08-2017, 11:03
Looks like we're getting a Ferrari article today, I will link it when it's released

breyzipp
02-08-2017, 11:26
Looks like we're getting a Ferrari article today, I will link it within 3 minutes after it's released

FTFY. :p

Tank621
02-08-2017, 13:01
FTFY. :p


Nevermind we have a video instead, but I imagine an article will follow up soon enough

http://youtu.be/qpP1qJeVMNA

Rober
02-08-2017, 14:57
http://www.projectcarsgame.com/newspc2/ferrari-comes-to-project-cars-2.html?lang=en

It's up

and updated car list: http://www.projectcarsgame.com/newspc2/ferrari-comes-to-project-cars-2.html?lang=en

FS7
02-08-2017, 15:09
Nevermind we have a video instead, but I imagine an article will follow up soon enough

http://youtu.be/qpP1qJeVMNA
There's always all this talk about license deals and how game developers don't get to choose which cars to put in the game, all the limitations imposed by manufacturers, etc, so after watching this trailer (as well as previous ones) and seeing the car list on the official website one really has to admit SMS has done a great job with car selection, most of the cars on the list are cars that are interesting to drive and are highly requested by fans.

Tank621
02-08-2017, 15:18
There's always all this talk about license deals and how game developers don't get to choose which cars to put in the game, all the limitations imposed by manufacturers, etc, so after watching this trailer (as well as previous ones) and seeing the car list on the official website one really has to admit SMS has done a great job with car selection, most of the cars on the list are cars that are interesting to drive and are highly requested by fans.

And plenty of unique cars too. As much as this isn't the longest carlist in the world there is a good portion of cars I haven't seen in games before. I always prefer a unique list to a long one