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breyzipp
28-03-2017, 06:35
Thanks @F1_Racer68!

I have no knowledge of WTAC at all but still seriously looking forward to driving this thing. :)

Tank621
28-03-2017, 11:33
Group 5 Skyline
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"Nissan were the kings of the Super Silhouette series, and the stand-out car was the Project CARS 2-bound DR30 Skyline driven and tuned by Masahiro Hasemi (the only Japanese driver to win a Formula One Grand Prix—albeit the non-championship Japanese GP in 1975). "

Grijo
28-03-2017, 13:25
I see you're attempting a flying lap, I don't think dragging the rear wing on the grass is very aerodynamically efficient, though.

Oh, Oh, wait: when people say "flying lap", is not like this? Humm, maybe that´s why I always lose all the races. I think I played too much Flatout and Destruction Derby... :p


Now seriously, I think that @breyzipp, @Tank621 and @F1_Racer68 are making a great job to keep us informed about new cars. But I´m anxious waiting some news about some cars and categories:

Group 5 – Will BMW 320 and Zakspeed Capri return in Pcars 2? Besides the new Skyline, will have another new addition (Say Lancia Beta please!!!)? I have to say that´s one of the best categories in Pcars, at least for me.

Group A - Will BMW M3, Merc 190E and Sierra return in Pcars 2? Will have a new addition to that?

Trans Am – We will have vintage cars in this category? Like Mustang Fastback and Cuda AAR (Say yes!!!)? I miss that kind of competition like we had in NFS Shift 2 and Grid, would be an awesome addition IMO.

In this post, Remco´s Law does not apply since this is not a car request post...who I´m kidding, yes, this is kinda a car request post :p

RacingAtHome
28-03-2017, 14:30
Oh, Oh, wait: when people say "flying lap", is not like this? Humm, maybe that´s why I always lose all the races. I think I played too much Flatout and Destruction Derby... :p


Now seriously, I think that @breyzipp, @Tank621 and @F1_Racer68 are making a great job to keep us informed about new cars. But I´m anxious waiting some news about some cars and categories:

Group 5 – Will BMW 320 and Zakspeed Capri return in Pcars 2? Besides the new Skyline, will have another new addition (Say Lancia Beta please!!!)? I have to say that´s one of the best categories in Pcars, at least for me.

Group A - Will BMW M3, Merc 190E and Sierra return in Pcars 2? Will have a new addition to that?

Trans Am – We will have vintage cars in this category? Like Mustang Fastback and Cuda AAR (Say yes!!!)? I miss that kind of competition like we had in NFS Shift 2 and Grid, would be an awesome addition IMO.

In this post, Remco´s Law does not apply since this is not a car request post...who I´m kidding, yes, this is kinda a car request post :p

The RS500 Group A was confirmed in the article. Would be surprised if the others aren't returning from Group 5/A seeing as they had them in Project CARS 1 and not much would have changed in that regard. Although, I have been wrong thousands of times before.

Tank621
28-03-2017, 14:45
Another confirmed car in the article-
'The Japanese Super Silhouette series ran at the Fuji Speedway for five iconic seasons between ’79 and ’84 under Group 5 regulations. Those five seasons of Group 5 regs (identical to the European series, which meant even the BMW M1 that comes with Project CARS 2 raced at Fuji)'

Tank621
28-03-2017, 14:47
I wonder if that refers to the M1 Procar or an actual Group 5 M1

RacingAtHome
28-03-2017, 14:57
I wonder if that refers to the M1 Procar or an actual Group 5 M1

Going by that they used the word "even", i'll say it's more a fit into a category outside its' own. Although we could have been caught out.

breyzipp
28-03-2017, 15:13
All good stuff! At work now, will update the topic list tonight :)

Azure Flare
28-03-2017, 16:50
Group 5 Skyline
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"Nissan were the kings of the Super Silhouette series, and the stand-out car was the Project CARS 2-bound DR30 Skyline driven and tuned by Masahiro Hasemi (the only Japanese driver to win a Formula One Grand Prix—albeit the non-championship Japanese GP in 1975). "

Gran Turismo 2 memories right there. And more recently, R3E. This thing is damn fun.

breyzipp
28-03-2017, 23:22
Ok, updated the topic post where needed, let me know if you see some errors.

2017 Nissan GT-R NISMO (under modern road, was already there)
2017 Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 SMS-R (under the tuned / custom cars, now we know what that mystery R34 is :p) (I gave it year 2017 since SMS tuned it in 2017 if that's okay even though the car itself is much older)
1979 BMW M1 (under new group 5 category)
1982 Hasemi Motorsport Nissan DR30 Skyline (under new group 5 category)
1986 Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 (under new group A category)
2017 Nissan GT-R Nismo GT3 (under GT3, already had it there but as the 2016 version, since the article clearly states it's the RWD 2017 version I changed it)


By the way I ABSOLUTELY dig the R34 SMS-R in these sexy liveries, especially this one. :)

http://www.projectcarsgame.com/uploads/2/0/6/5/20658008/nissan12_orig.jpg

Since there is no racing number on the livery would there be a special time attack car group in the game? That EVO IV from yesterday and this R34 SMS-R would already fit nicely in it.

Let me also mention that I absolutely adore the reasoning and the 4 variations of Skyline / GT-Rs that we get :
* 2017 R35 GT-R NISMO: latest and greatest road going version => must have!
* 2017 R35 GT-R GT3: latest and greatest racing version => must have!
* 1982 Group 5 Hasemi Motorsport Nissan DR30 Skyline => Group 5 is probably one of my favorite racing series ever so bring it on! (fingers crossed for a Lancia Montecarlo Beta Turbo as well in the future :p)
* SMS-tuned Skyline R34: as the article says this car makes so much sense to bring as a tuned version into the game. Normally I'm not a fan of the fictional cars like Marek, RWD and SMS-tuned cars but in this case it indeed makes a lot of sense.

Tank621
30-03-2017, 15:08
From the Long Beach article
'Enter the savior hailing from Nazareth (Pennsylvania), a refugee from post-war Italy. Having tip-toed around what would become the usual Turn 1 carambolage, Mario Andretti became the first-ever US winner of the US Grand Prix, and the first winner of a Grand Prix using a ground-effects car (the Lotus 78 in Project CARS 2).'
That is a 2nd mention of the 78 in articles, looks like they don't mean the 79 after all
I also had a look and its was definitely the 78 that Andretti won in

RacingAtHome
30-03-2017, 17:39
From the Long Beach article
'Enter the savior hailing from Nazareth (Pennsylvania), a refugee from post-war Italy. Having tip-toed around what would become the usual Turn 1 carambolage, Mario Andretti became the first-ever US winner of the US Grand Prix, and the first winner of a Grand Prix using a ground-effects car (the Lotus 78 in Project CARS 2).'
That is a 2nd mention of the 78 in articles, looks like they don't mean the 79 after all
I also had a look and its was definitely the 78 that Andretti won in

Which was the other article to mention the 79? Can't remember.

Tank621
30-03-2017, 18:24
The AMG / NSX one

RacingAtHome
30-03-2017, 18:31
The AMG / NSX one

Yeah. Just had a look. Not sure if it's a mistake or not.

Tank621
30-03-2017, 19:00
The 79 was in PCars wasn't it so I wouldn't think it was a mistake

RacingAtHome
30-03-2017, 20:08
The 79 was in PCars wasn't it so I wouldn't think it was a mistake

No. Lotus 78 was.

Tank621
30-03-2017, 20:21
Ah you are correct, perhaps it is a mistake

MillsLayne
31-03-2017, 03:29
http://www.projectcarsgame.com/uploads/2/0/6/5/20658008/nissan3_orig.jpg

I didn't know that this was one of the Skyline's coming to PC2 until I saw this picture today. Even better, I literally just found out that it's a Group 5 car, so now this is what I'm most excited for. Taking the G5s to Fuji. Mmmmm.

hkraft300
31-03-2017, 06:15
I hate Fuji. Don't gel with the tightening-radius turns.
Loving the Gr5 action.
Also hoping the Lotus 79 mention isn't a typo. If the 79 and 78 are both in pc2, it will almost render the 78 redundant.

honespc
31-03-2017, 13:07
Not a fan of Fuji too. Soulless track is soulless

Silraed
31-03-2017, 13:16
I've always thought Fuji was one of those tracks with great character. Each to their own I guess.

hkraft300
31-03-2017, 13:36
I'm sure it has character. Too much character for me :o

F1_Racer68
31-03-2017, 14:17
I've said it before, and I'll say it again..... My mind is a very warped place.....

I love Fuji.... Although I prefer the version without the chicane as that breaks the rythem of the track for me.

Tank621
31-03-2017, 15:29
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F1_Racer68
31-03-2017, 15:39
237327 No doubt in my mind.... KTM X-Bow GT4

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cluck
31-03-2017, 15:49
Saab springs to mind

(woo hoo, 2 jokes for the price of 1, it must be Friday)

FS7
31-03-2017, 18:33
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I bet there's a lot of people wondering why SMS posted a real life pic instead of a in-game screenshot.

cluck
31-03-2017, 18:45
I bet there's a lot of people wondering why SMS posted a real life pic instead of a in-game screenshot.Meh, I've taken better ;)

(that's not to say I took this screenshot, just that I've taken better shots than this in pCARS2)

hkraft300
31-03-2017, 22:24
just that I've taken better shots than this in pCARS2)

Photo mode confirmed :D

breyzipp
31-03-2017, 22:43
KTM X-Bow GT4, who-hooo!!!!

( was one of my wishlist cars after seeing it on the Bathurst 12h in 2017 :p)

Now both Alpine's SMS. ;)

cluck
31-03-2017, 23:19
Photo mode confirmed :DBelieve it or not, there is no "photo mode" :). I can only speak for myself but I know that all of the screenshots that I've taken are either straight from external view or, at most, with an in-game filter. As you're probably aware, SMS don't do 'photo modes', it really is "what you see is what you get". My shots are taken with DS2X, so not even with stupid AA settings.

Azure Flare
01-04-2017, 01:20
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How awesome is the KTM X-bow GT4? It has a canopy for a windshield and roof!

hkraft300
01-04-2017, 01:32
Believe it or not, there is no "photo mode" :). I can only speak for myself but I know that all of the screenshots that I've taken are either straight from external view or, at most, with an in-game filter. As you're probably aware, SMS don't do 'photo modes', it really is "what you see is what you get". My shots are taken with DS2X, so not even with stupid AA settings.

Screenshots confirmed :rolleyes:

Azure Flare
01-04-2017, 01:35
Screenshots confirmed :rolleyes:

*F12 key confirmed :cool:

RacingAtHome
01-04-2017, 01:51
*F12 key confirmed :cool:


SMS FOCUSING ON PC ONLY FEATURES!? OMFG #RIOT #IHATESMS #FUDGEIANBELL

*may not have happened*

FS7
01-04-2017, 01:55
*F12 key confirmed :cool:
Do you mean a Steam key for the Ferrari F12 DLC?

RacingAtHome
01-04-2017, 02:16
Do you mean a Steam key for the Ferrari F12 DLC?

I think we already have that. It's called the Chevrolet Corvette C7.

Scuderia Paul
01-04-2017, 07:16
The KTM X-BOW GT4 is one of those cars that I have been yearning to try for a long time. The PCars2 car list is getting more and more impressive.

Just some more Toyota race car love and I'll be delighted.

cluck
01-04-2017, 10:14
Screenshots confirmed :rolleyes::D

Not aimed at yourself but I realise my post could be mis-interpreted. I'm not saying there is no "photo mode", as we had in pCARS, but the key thing is that there are no special 'boosters' when taking shots, unlike certain other games. It is truly breathtaking at times, to just hit pause, flick to external view, pan the camera around and then slowly pull your chin up from the floor as you realise you've got something like this on your screen (again, this is not necessarily one of my shots, just an example - NB: this is also not a leaked shot, this is taken straight from the pCARS2 Nissan article page that went up this week)

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If you thought Project CARS was beautiful, and would occasionally stop you dead in your tracks, mouth agape, wondering "how is that even possible?", well, be prepared for that to happen pretty much constantly in the sequel.

I suspect SMS might want to get shares in drive manufacturers because people's hard drives are going to fill up pretty quickly with screenshots after it's released. I've already taken well over 100GB of shots :o.


My apols for the slight off-topic, this is possibly the wrong pcars2 thread for this. Feel free to move it to the right place mods :)

hkraft300
01-04-2017, 11:15
:D

Not aimed at yourself but I realise my post could be mis-interpreted. I'm not saying there is no "photo mode", as we had in pCARS, but the key thing is that there are no special 'boosters' when taking shots, unlike certain other games. It is truly breathtaking at times, to just hit pause, flick to external view, pan the camera around and then slowly pull your chin up from the floor as you realise you've got something like this on your screen (again, this is not necessarily one of my shots, just an example - NB: this is also not a leaked shot, this is taken straight from the pCARS2 Nissan article page that went up this week)

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If you thought Project CARS was beautiful, and would occasionally stop you dead in your tracks, mouth agape, wondering "how is that even possible?", well, be prepared for that to happen pretty much constantly in the sequel.

I suspect SMS might want to get shares in drive manufacturers because people's hard drives are going to fill up pretty quickly with screenshots after it's released. I've already taken well over 100GB of shots :o.


My apols for the slight off-topic, this is possibly the wrong pcars2 thread for this. Feel free to move it to the right place mods :)

So you're telling me that's an in game screenshot and not a real photo...
I'm on a lowly ps4 and there's plenty times I've stopped to admire the scenery and details.
SMS doesn't need any photo filtering mode to make the game look pretty, because the graphics is that good.

cluck
01-04-2017, 11:48
So you're telling me that's an in game screenshot and not a real photo...
I'm on a lowly ps4 and there's plenty times I've stopped to admire the scenery and details.
SMS doesn't need any photo filtering mode to make the game look pretty, because the graphics is that good.Yes :) . No artificial flavours or colourings, 100% natural, Project CARS 2 goodness :yes:

Drive along, hit pause, switch to external view, rotate, zoom, invoke bokeh press F12 ...


et voila

Tank621
03-04-2017, 16:20
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Tank621
03-04-2017, 19:22
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jaredinhouston
03-04-2017, 22:07
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Seems to be GT4 is gonna be just as packed as GT3!

poirqc
03-04-2017, 22:11
GT4 rocks!

Cheesenium
04-04-2017, 07:01
Seems to be GT4 is gonna be just as packed as GT3!

Hopefully we will get 570S GT4 and AMG GT4 in pcars 2 too. Those 2 are my top 3 GT4s that I really want.

RacingAtHome
04-04-2017, 09:47
Hopefully we will get 570S GT4 and AMG GT4 in pcars 2 too. Those 2 are my top 3 GT4s that I really want.

I don't see why we shouldn't but... WHAT ABOUT THE MASERATI! Or the Panoz.

We have the 570S and the AMG GT3.

breyzipp
04-04-2017, 10:23
I was just going through the confirmed list and realized we already have some great new gems like the NSX (road & GT3), F-Type SVR, 720S, GT-R NISMO, R34 SMS-R, EVO VI TA, P1 GTR, 240ZG, XJR-12, ZX-Turbo, 300ZX, X-Bow GT4, GT LM, 650S GT3, GT-R GT3 all new to the series. And I assume that the best has yet to come. From a marketing perspective it makes perfect sense to keep the best goodies until the end. You will want to reveal the most wanted cars closer to release date so that it sticks to the memory of potential customers. If the launch date is indeed the targetted september, whatever will be revealed in august will stick to casual/potential gamers' minds more than whatever was revealed in february.

* Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini have all been confirmed already but no cars have been revealed yet. There are dozens of awesome cars for each brands throughout motorsport history.
* LMP1 and open wheelers could be considered the pinacle of modern racing but barely anything has been revealed yet. More news to come for sure!
* Dirt tracks will be in the game but apart from the F-150 Funhaver we don't have much yet that's suited for them.
* While American tracks seem to have been booming the most with the obvious courses like Daytona, Indianapolis and Long Beach (already represented a lot in other games) there are still over a dozen of tracks that still need to be revealed.

I think we're still in for a treat. :)

RacingAtHome
04-04-2017, 10:26
I was just going through the confirmed list and realized we already have some great new gems like the NSX (road & GT3), F-Type SVR, 720S, GT-R NISMO, R34 SMS-R, EVO VI TA, P1 GTR, 240ZG, XJR-12, ZX-Turbo, 300ZX, X-Bow GT4, GT LM, 650S GT3, GT-R GT3 all new to the series. And I assume that the best has yet to come. From a marketing perspective it makes perfect sense to keep the best goodies until the end. You will want to reveal the most wanted cars closer to release date so that it sticks to the memory of potential customers. If the launch date is indeed the targetted september, whatever will be revealed in august will stick to casual/potential gamers' minds more than whatever was revealed in february.

* Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini have all been confirmed already but no cars have been revealed yet. There are dozens of awesome cars for each brands throughout motorsport history.
* LMP1 and open wheelers could be considered the pinacle of modern racing but barely anything has been revealed yet. More news to come for sure!
* Dirt tracks will be in the game but apart from the F-150 Funhaver we don't have much yet that's suited for them.
* While American tracks seem to have been booming the most with the obvious courses like Daytona, Indianapolis and Long Beach (already represented a lot in other games) there are still over a dozen of tracks that still need to be revealed.

I think we're still in for a treat. :)

We do know that the Lamborghini Super Trofeo is in game. (Server screenshots)

Tank621
04-04-2017, 15:47
Interesting stuff from the Mitsubishi article
Ford Sierra Cosworth Confirmed
Evo VI Tommi Mäkinen Edition is confirmed
Lancer Evolution IX FQ 360 confirmed
Lancer Evolution X FQ 400 confirmed

Tank621
04-04-2017, 20:29
I am wondering which Sierra Cosworth they are referring to as it could be a road version, the group A touring car (from PCars 1) or even perhaps a Group A rally car. Who knows it might be more than one.
This is what is said in the article:-
'the big Group A cars themselves became obsolete overnight. Ford responded by swapping the mighty Sierra Cosworth (also in Project CARS 2) with the Escort'
-which suggests a Group A Sierra but as this part of the article is discussing rally cars it does somewhat subtly hint at a rally version
Anyway I'll let Breyzipp figure out what catagory to put it in.:p

RacingAtHome
04-04-2017, 21:17
I am wondering which Sierra Cosworth they are referring to as it could be a road version, the group A touring car (from PCars 1) or even perhaps a Group A rally car. Who knows it might be more than one.
This is what is said in the article:-
'the big Group A cars themselves became obsolete overnight. Ford responded by swapping the mighty Sierra Cosworth (also in Project CARS 2) with the Escort'
-which suggests a Group A Sierra but as this part of the article is discussing rally cars it does somewhat subtly hint at a rally version
Anyway I'll let Breyzipp figure out what catagory to put it in.:p

I think they said about the Group A Touring Car in the Nissan article.

breyzipp
04-04-2017, 21:24
Interesting stuff from the Mitsubishi article
Ford Sierra Cosworth Confirmed
Evo VI Tommi Mäkinen Edition is confirmed
Lancer Evolution IX FQ 360 confirmed
Lancer Evolution X FQ 400 confirmed

Thanks, added them all to the list. The VI under retro road, the IX and X under modern road.
The Sierra was already under Group A, not sure if we will get that class or that it would just be part of retro road.
The Time Attack EVO is under custom/tuned.

Cheesenium
05-04-2017, 05:53
I am wondering which Sierra Cosworth they are referring to as it could be a road version, the group A touring car (from PCars 1) or even perhaps a Group A rally car. Who knows it might be more than one.
This is what is said in the article:-
'the big Group A cars themselves became obsolete overnight. Ford responded by swapping the mighty Sierra Cosworth (also in Project CARS 2) with the Escort'
-which suggests a Group A Sierra but as this part of the article is discussing rally cars it does somewhat subtly hint at a rally version
Anyway I'll let Breyzipp figure out what catagory to put it in.:p

Sounds like it is just the same Sierra we had in Pcars 1 which is the Group A touring car version.

The big Group A cars that went obsolete probably the the early to mid 80s Group As such as Volvo 240, BMW 635i, Jaguar XJ-S and so on that won't fit into pcars 1's Group A. Based on R3E, they had to be significantly boosted in the stats to stand toe to toe with the newer Group As they had in that game.

Still, I would love to see the Godzilla R32 and Holden Commondore Group A in Pcars 2.

hkraft300
05-04-2017, 07:38
Still, I would love to see the Godzilla R32 and Holden Commondore Group A in Pcars 2.

The older cars could be put in a separate Gr A2 class if they do show up.
The commodore was built to group A regs for only 1-2 years iirc. Did ok, then Godzilla and Cosworth Fords etc showed up and then V8SC was born because Aussie cars were no longer competitive.

Tank621
05-04-2017, 07:52
Group A is one of my favourites so I'd be glad to see it return. It will be interesting to see if they've expanded the class

Cheesenium
05-04-2017, 11:51
The older cars could be put in a separate Gr A2 class if they do show up.
The commodore was built to group A regs for only 1-2 years iirc. Did ok, then Godzilla and Cosworth Fords etc showed up and then V8SC was born because Aussie cars were no longer competitive.

V8SC was born not because Aussie cars were not competitive. The Sierra was essentially made by Aussies and it managed to go toe to toe with the Godzilla in ATCC.

The reason V8SC ended is because Group A rules are utterly retarded like there was a clause that any Group A race car needs to have the same exact door as the road car which Nissan exploited it by making the road car door as light as possible while everyone else still using the relatively heavier doors. The whole homoglation was exploited left and right by various parties yet it is still a BoP mess where not only the Aussies dump them, the Japanese and Germans dump them too to create their own version of touring cars. The Aussie Group A turned into the rather facinating V8SC. The Germans turned their Group A based DTM (1992 was the last year under Group A regulations) that eventually evolved into the modern DTM we have. Lastly, the Japanese was so sick of Group A because it turned their JTCC into Godzilla single makes, Super GT was literally born after they dump Group A.

hkraft300
05-04-2017, 13:53
Was there also something about Gr A homologation rules that hindered safety (the "same door as road car" related?) As the cars were getting faster?
Well we got DTM, JGTC and V8SC out of it so it's not all bad :)

Tank621
05-04-2017, 15:54
I assume this means the C9:-
'TWR was asked to send their new car, the XJR-9, to run the full IMSA season as well as the Group C World Sportscar Championship. It won on its debut at the Daytona 24 Hour. In the WSC, it fought a running battle against the Sauber Mercedes (also in Project CARS 2)'

Tank621
05-04-2017, 15:59
They just keep teasing us:-
'Pulling out of sportscar racing, though, wasn’t the only momentous thing to happen to Jaguar in ’93 because that was also the year the V12 would come back to break Jaguar’s heart.

But that’s a story best left for tomorrow when one more Jaguar in Project CARS 2 is revealed …'

Mad Al
05-04-2017, 16:05
They just keep teasing us:-
'Pulling out of sportscar racing, though, wasn’t the only momentous thing to happen to Jaguar in ’93 because that was also the year the V12 would come back to break Jaguar’s heart.

But that’s a story best left for tomorrow when one more Jaguar in Project CARS 2 is revealed …'

Stop with the double posting, please!
you don't need to post this in both threads, one or the other

Tank621
05-04-2017, 16:57
Stop with the double posting, please!
you don't need to post this in both threads, one or the other

Sorry, i'm just trying to sure everyone sees the news. If you all want me to just post on one thread let me know which one you want and I'll stick to it

Konan
05-04-2017, 17:01
Sorry, i'm just trying to sure everyone sees the news. If you all want me to just post on one let me know which one you want and I'll stick to it

No biggy mate... :cool:i suggest you post confirmed cars over here,confirmed tracks in the "track thread" an all the rest in the 99-100% thread..;)

Grijo
05-04-2017, 17:16
Sorry, i'm just trying to sure everyone sees the news. If you all want me to just post on one thread let me know which one you want and I'll stick to it

I´m seeing all news for sure! Thanks @Tank621 and everyone who´s bringing news since I don´t have an account in none social network (Facebook, Instagran, Twitter, Whatsapp and so go on).

PS: Don´t call me old, I´m a "vintage" man :p

Roger Prynne
05-04-2017, 17:17
I'm going to get shot for this.... but here is the complete car list for pCARS2 :cool:

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F1_Racer68
05-04-2017, 17:18
I´m seeing all news for sure! Thanks @Tank621 and everyone who´s bringing news since I don´t have an account in none social network (Facebook, Instagran, Twitter, Whatsapp and so go on).

I know it means more work for you, but you can still check/view those pages without having accounts. I check the www.instagram.com/projectcarsgame (http://www.instagram.com/projectcarsgame) page daily wihtout an account. You can also check www.twitter.com/projectcarsgame

Or just check back here and let others post it for you in the forums :D

Grijo
05-04-2017, 17:19
I'm going to get shot for this.... but here is the complete car list for pCARS2 :cool:

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Yeah, I opened... I hate you Roger :p

Grijo
05-04-2017, 17:23
I know it means more work for you, but you can still check/view those pages without having accounts. I check the www.instagram.com/projectcarsgame (http://www.instagram.com/projectcarsgame) page daily wihtout an account. You can also check www.twitter.com/projectcarsgame

Or just check back here and let others post it for you in the forums :D

Thanks for the tip bro, I didn´t knew that :D

F1_Racer68
05-04-2017, 17:26
I'm going to get shot for this.... but here is the complete car list for pCARS2 :cool:

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I was only hoping I wasn't going to get a virus from this.... but I had to see what the file contained. Just had to see what Roger had to say this time. Well played sir, well played :D

RacingAtHome
05-04-2017, 17:31
I thought it was going to be something witty. I was disappointed.

Roger Prynne
05-04-2017, 17:34
I thought it was going to be something witty. I was disappointed.

Oh well... one mans humor is another mans.... something or other? :joyous:

galaxyjack
05-04-2017, 19:03
They just keep teasing us:-
'Pulling out of sportscar racing, though, wasn’t the only momentous thing to happen to Jaguar in ’93 because that was also the year the V12 would come back to break Jaguar’s heart.

But that’s a story best left for tomorrow when one more Jaguar in Project CARS 2 is revealed …'

Probably XJ220 S TWR

I hope they won't skip these 3 cars.
-Jaguar D-Type
-Jaguar XJ13(even if only one was produced)
-Jaguar XKR-S GT(it would be a great addition to Road B cars)

rosko
05-04-2017, 19:30
Oh well... one mans humor is another mans.... something or other? :joyous:

I have the txt with all the cars I'm happy to post it if you want?

galaxyjack
05-04-2017, 19:49
I have the txt with all the cars I'm happy to post it if you want?

I am also a moderator. PM me :) if you have the list why do you look at this thread?

F1_Racer68
05-04-2017, 20:08
Probably XJ220 S TWR

I hope they won't skip these 3 cars.
-Jaguar D-Type
-Jaguar XJ13(even if only one was produced)
-Jaguar XKR-S GT(it would be a great addition to Road B cars)

Not quite. It's most likely the XJ220C

http://www.jaguarheritage.com/t/history_1990

"Jaguar also made another appearance at Le Mans in 1993 with a team of three specially prepared XJ220C’s which competed in the new Grand Touring class. Sadly the winning Jaguar was disqualified for an alleged technical infringement."

That technical infringement turned out to be a lack of Catalytic Converters

EDIT: Thanks to @RacingAtHome for confirming the "technical infringement".

galaxyjack
05-04-2017, 20:48
Not quite. It's most likely the XJ220C

http://www.jaguarheritage.com/t/history_1990

"Jaguar also made another appearance at Le Mans in 1993 with a team of three specially prepared XJ220C’s which competed in the new Grand Touring class. Sadly the winning Jaguar was disqualified for an alleged technical infringement."

That technical infringement turned out to be a lack of Catalytic Converters

EDIT: Thanks to @RacingAtHome for confirming the "technical infringement".

Or both maybe. I prefer S TWR because it is lighter, more powerful and faster.

F1_Racer68
05-04-2017, 20:50
Or both maybe. I prefer S TWR because it is lighter, more powerful and faster. No argument, but based on the comments in the article about the "V12 heartbreak in 1993", my money is on this specific XJ220C

Quote from article:

'Pulling out of sportscar racing, though, wasn’t the only momentous thing to happen to Jaguar in ’93 because that was also the year the V12 would come back to break Jaguar’s heart.

But that’s a story best left for tomorrow when one more Jaguar in Project CARS 2 is revealed …'

galaxyjack
05-04-2017, 21:20
No argument, but based on the comments in the article about the "V12 heartbreak in 1993", my money is on this specific XJ220C

Quote from article:

'Pulling out of sportscar racing, though, wasn’t the only momentous thing to happen to Jaguar in ’93 because that was also the year the V12 would come back to break Jaguar’s heart.

But that’s a story best left for tomorrow when one more Jaguar in Project CARS 2 is revealed …'

But in the leaked trailer there is S TWR.

237359
237360

There is something missing on the left of the car in first picture.

hkraft300
05-04-2017, 22:37
The twitter post could be the standard XJ220.
Don't recommend relying on the leaked trailer for confirmation.

galaxyjack
05-04-2017, 23:06
The twitter post could be the standard XJ220.
Don't recommend relying on the leaked trailer for confirmation.

Do you really think SMS and the WDM members prefer the standard XJ220 over S TWR?

Besides, XJ220C and XJ220S are nearly identical to each other. Why don't we have both?

Cheesenium
06-04-2017, 00:59
But in the leaked trailer there is S TWR.

237359
237360

There is something missing on the left of the car in first picture.

Definitely not the racing version. The current 2 GT1s in Pcars 1 will destroy them as the Jag is a bit too old and slow.

hkraft300
06-04-2017, 01:18
1.Do you really think SMS and the WDM members prefer the standard XJ220 over S TWR?

2. Besides, XJ220C and XJ220S are nearly identical to each other. Why don't we have both?

1. I'm not wmd or SMS, I wouldn't know. I said it could be the jaguar xj220 instead of the twr versions. If it were to be the race car, I'd imagine that teaser pic would sport some racing colours.

2. One is a road car, the other is a race car. Don't see why we can't have both. Unless twr or jaguar have something to say about it.

F1_Racer68
06-04-2017, 01:34
Do you really think SMS and the WDM members prefer the standard XJ220 over S TWR?

Besides, XJ220C and XJ220S are nearly identical to each other. Why don't we have both?

What is everyone's obsession with stating the "TWR" as though this were a specific version of the car?

The XJ220 was a joint venture between Jaguar and TWR. TWR built ALL of them, both race and production versions, in the same way that Multimatic is building ALL of the current Ford GTs.

There were no "special" "TWR" versions of this car.

Zpectre87
06-04-2017, 02:37
What is everyone's obsession with stating the "TWR" as though this were a specific version of the car?

The XJ220 was a joint venture between Jaguar and TWR. TWR built ALL of them, both race and production versions, in the same way that Multimatic is building ALL of the current Ford GTs.

There were no "special" "TWR" versions of this car.

I think there were, because those XJ220 S were road cars with improved performance over the standard XJ220. From memory they had well over 600 bhp and more than a match for the McLaren F1.

Wikipedia states those cars did exist and were converted from XJ220C race cars by TWR, much like some of the McLaren F1 GTRs were, but they're still road cars nonetheless.

The XJ220 was really no joke and won Le Mans in its class before the McLaren F1 did, but it was disqualified over a silly matter.

It's one of the most underappreciated cars ever built, and its faults can be encountered in cars that everyone worships instead. Even the McLaren F1 was not an accessible car, as the version in Project Cars should easily show: it lacks lateral grip to the point of scaring you, and takes longer to brake than a freight train.

Either way, Project Cars 2 is getting the ultimate version of the XJ220 road car, and if the reports are to be believed, this is going to be a scary beast to drive.

F1_Racer68
06-04-2017, 03:02
I think there were, because those XJ220 S were road cars with improved performance over the standard XJ220. From memory they had well over 600 bhp and more than a match for the McLaren F1.

Wikipedia states those cars did exist and were converted from XJ220C race cars by TWR, much like some of the McLaren F1 GTRs were, but they're still road cars nonetheless.

The XJ220 was really no joke and won Le Mans in its class before the McLaren F1 did, but it was disqualified over a silly matter.

It's one of the most underappreciated cars ever built, and its faults can be encountered in cars that everyone worships instead. Even the McLaren F1 was not an accessible car, as the version in Project Cars should easily show: it lacks lateral grip to the point of scaring you, and takes longer to brake than a freight train.

Either way, Project Cars 2 is getting the ultimate version of the XJ220 road car, and if the reports are to be believed, this is going to be a scary beast to drive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_XJ220

And I can provide other sources as well that all say the same thing. It was a joint venture between Jaguar and TWR.

From the above linked article:

"Jaguar and TWR had an existing joint venture, JaguarSport Ltd, formed in 1987 to produce racing cars. Jaguar's board made the decision that subject to contractual agreement, TWR and JaguarSport would be responsible for the XJ220. JaguarSport formed a new company, Project XJ220 Ltd, specifically to develop and build the XJ220.

The team that should determine the necessary engineering work and assess the car's financial viability was put in place during mid-1989, working from the TWR workshops. Mike Moreton headed the team, joining TWR to run the XJ220 project. Moreton came from Ford Motorsports where he led the team responsible for the Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Sierra_RS_Cosworth#Sierra_RS500_Cosworth), and was a project manager for the Ford RS200 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_RS200) Group B rally car program. Richard Owen was appointed chief designer, and the remainder of the team was made up of Jaguar and TWR staff, including Pete Dodd, the only member of the group of twelve responsible for the XJ220 concept. The exterior and interior designers who had worked on the XJ220 prototype, Keith Helfet and Nick Hull, rejoined the project when it became clear that more design work would be needed."

There were 3 variants fo the XJ220. The original XJ220, the XJ220C which is the race car, and the XJ220S which is the production version of the XJ220C. The XJ220S differs from a normal XJ220, by replacing all the aluminum bodywork (except the doors) with carbon fiber, adding a front splitter, rear wing and also wider side sills. Bringing the total weight down to just over 1000kg, while the twin-turbo V6 was retuned to deliver 680 horsepower. Only 6 XJ220S versions were ever built.

Edit: My point originally was not that the S version wasn't special, but rather that NONE of them bore a "TWR" designation as some sort of "special edition".

hkraft300
06-04-2017, 09:48
Ye TWR built all of them, but there was the standard and the S and C versions and OK none of the cars actually had TWR at the end of its official name.
+TWR on the end of it makes it a touch more serious :) because we're all car guys and know who TWR were.
Like you wouldn't go "Oooo" if someone released a car with Prodrive or Cosworth at the end of its name :p

Olijke Poffer
06-04-2017, 13:16
Some great cars... ;) will be a lot of fun later this year (I hope)

RacingAtHome
07-04-2017, 15:55
Amusingly, (And to the annoyance of F1_Racer) they've called it the XJ220S TWR.

Tank621
07-04-2017, 16:01
Amusingly, (And to the annoyance of F1_Racer) they've called it the XJ220S TWR.

Dammit I was gonna say that

Grijo
07-04-2017, 16:07
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SOOOO SEXY!

rosko
07-04-2017, 17:03
nice in white, i remember seeing this revealed at the 1988 Birmingham motor show for the first time, i still have pictures of it somewhere. It was just so beautiful & futuristic for the time.

galaxyjack
07-04-2017, 19:24
237374

It is TWR :)

hkraft300
07-04-2017, 22:29
No. The original/standard xj220 looks so much better to me. Cleaner.
No doubt the S is faster and better in a racing sim.
But for my dream garage, to look at and drive IRL I'd take the original.


Amusingly, (And to the annoyance of F1_Racer) they've called it the XJ220S TWR.


237374

It is TWR :)

F1_racer getting trolled :p

F1_Racer68
07-04-2017, 22:31
Yep. Time to start calling all Ford GTs and Aston Martin Vulkans MM.

As in Ford GT MM and Aston Martin MM since they are built by MultiMatic.

Just because a Dollar is refered to as a "buck" in common speach, doesn't make it an official name..... Ah well c'est la vie.

hkraft300
07-04-2017, 22:44
Yep. Time to start calling all Ford GTs and Aston Martin Vulkans MM.

As in Ford GT MM and Aston Martin MM since they are built by MultiMatic.

Just because a Dollar is refered to as a "buck" in common speach, doesn't make it an official name..... Ah well c'est la vie.

But... but the XJ220S has TWR motor sport on the back of it? :D

Zpectre87
07-04-2017, 22:53
No. The original/standard xj220 looks so much better to me. Cleaner.
No doubt the S is faster and better in a racing sim.
But for my dream garage, to look at and drive IRL I'd take the original.

The standard XJ220 comes with a nice leather interior and I'm sure TWR wouldn't refuse a request that a standard car be fitted with the same power increments. :D


Yep. Time to start calling all Ford GTs and Aston Martin Vulkans MM.

As in Ford GT MM and Aston Martin MM since they are built by MultiMatic.

Just because a Dollar is refered to as a "buck" in common speach, doesn't make it an official name..... Ah well c'est la vie.

The GT1 and GT3 variants of the Ford GT had the defunct Matech name alongside Ford's. What's the problem?

It was relatively important because there was also a GT2 variant built by Doran in the USA.

Mad Al
07-04-2017, 23:29
Yep. Time to start calling all Ford GTs and Aston Martin Vulkans MM.

As in Ford GT MM and Aston Martin MM since they are built by MultiMatic.

Just because a Dollar is refered to as a "buck" in common speach, doesn't make it an official name..... Ah well c'est la vie.

Maybe Jaguar, as part of the licensing agreement, wanted TWR to get the recognition for the job they did in making the car..

Let's face it, plenty of cars have input from people other than those who name is on the badge..

rosko
08-04-2017, 09:38
Yep. Time to start calling all Ford GTs and Aston Martin Vulkans MM.

As in Ford GT MM and Aston Martin MM since they are built by MultiMatic.

Just because a Dollar is refered to as a "buck" in common speach, doesn't make it an official name..... Ah well c'est la vie.

http://www.projectcarsgame.com/newspc2/when-the-saturday-clubs-built-the-fastest-car-in-the-world-the-xj220s-twr-in-project-cars-2?lang=en

Probably explains it better than wiki.

Its worth noting it seem sms have taken to specifically reproducing replicas of cars that exist in real life, we see this with xjr9, mitsu sva & other cars that they maybe have intimate access to the cars & maybe the owners, if that is the case its pretty cool.

breyzipp
08-04-2017, 13:04
Do you really think SMS and the WDM members prefer the standard XJ220 over S TWR?

Besides, XJ220C and XJ220S are nearly identical to each other. Why don't we have both?

If cars are nearly identical that doesn't mean that you should have them both in game. I actually rather not have them both since they are very similar anyway. It's best the devs pic one and leave the other one out. Turn 10 also recently pulled that stunt where the Volvo S60 Polestar was already in the game and they added the Volvo V60 Polestar in a recent DLC. The only difference between both AFAIK is that one is a sedan and the other a wagon, not enough reason to warrant having both in the game IMO, especially not for an arcade racer like Forza.

GT6 was even worse with the half a dozen of pages of the same car. It went even as silly as having the full arsenal of Miata's and Eunos or even a GT-R "spotted" version where you could drive around in the release car but then covered by it's camouflage. I mean come on...

I do enjoy collecting let's say all generations of BMW M3 in Forza but that's something totally different since they are indeed different cars.

Seriously, for PCARS 2 give me a well thought out minimal selection of "similar" cars that each deserve to be here and don't feel like a copy of another one. I think with the Nissan GT-R and Lancer EVO reveals SMS did a pretty decent job so Ian once mentioning that all 170+ cars in PCARS 2 each of them deserve to be here and have a very good reason to be here seems to be valid so far. No copy/paste cars please! :)

Edit - Assetto Corsa also has for example in Porsche pack 2 :
Porsche 718 Boxster S Manual Transmission
Porsche 718 Boxster S PDK

I realise they come for the "price of one" since this pack also includes a car extra. And I also realise driving both can be a different experience and some fans prefer it that way. But for me that is not needed, I would rather have the devs or Porsche themselves decide which of both is best to have in the game and then give us that car.

This however I do support the full 100%:
Porsche 962c long tail
Porsche 962c short tail

Those cars drive very different in the way the aero works (as explained very well in this video: https://youtu.be/v-v4Eme8ybQ?t=13m). The dashboard is different as well so for me those are indeed 2 different cars.

RacingAtHome
08-04-2017, 13:57
If cars are nearly identical that doesn't mean that you should have them both in game. I actually rather not have them both since they are very similar anyway. It's best the devs pic one and leave the other one out. Turn 10 also recently pulled that stunt where the Volvo S60 Polestar was already in the game and they added the Volvo V60 Polestar in a recent DLC. The only difference between both AFAIK is that one is a sedan and the other a wagon, not enough reason to warrant having both in the game IMO, especially not for an arcade racer like Forza.

GT6 was even worse with the half a dozen of pages of the same car. It went even as silly as having the full arsenal of Miata's and Eunos or even a GT-R "spotted" version where you could drive around in the release car but then covered by it's camouflage. I mean come on...

I do enjoy collecting let's say all generations of BMW M3 in Forza but that's something totally different since they are indeed different cars.

Seriously, for PCARS 2 give me a well thought out minimal selection of "similar" cars that each deserve to be here and don't feel like a copy of another one. I think with the Nissan GT-R and Lancer EVO reveals SMS did a pretty decent job so Ian once mentioning that all 170+ cars in PCARS 2 each of them deserve to be here and have a very good reason to be here seems to be valid so far. No copy/paste cars please! :)

Edit - Assetto Corsa also has for example in Porsche pack 2 :
Porsche 718 Boxster S Manual Transmission
Porsche 718 Boxster S PDK

I realise they come for the "price of one" since this pack also includes a car extra. And I also realise driving both can be a different experience and some fans prefer it that way. But for me that is not needed, I would rather have the devs or Porsche themselves decide which of both is best to have in the game and then give us that car.

This however I do support the full 100%:
Porsche 962c long tail
Porsche 962c short tail

Those cars drive very different in the way the aero works (as explained very well in this video: https://youtu.be/v-v4Eme8ybQ?t=13m). The dashboard is different as well so for me those are indeed 2 different cars.

However, the XJ220S TWR and XJ220C are used for different purposes. One was a homologated GT1 car and the other was the original car that allowed for the race car to be developed and raced.

Tank621
08-04-2017, 14:01
ICYMI the Sauber Mercedes was confirmed in the Jag XJR 9 article a little while ago-
"it fought a running battle against the Sauber Mercedes (also in Project CARS 2)"
Presumably refering to the C9

Tank621
08-04-2017, 20:01
237381

Zpectre87
08-04-2017, 20:14
Regarding the XJ220S, if the specs are to be believed, this car is gonna be serious business. Don't be surprised to see it outperforming the McLaren F1. It'd perhaps take the F1 LM to outpace it.

We were robbed of the F50 GT due to Mercedes "cheating" and building a race car first and road car second rather than the opposite, as well as possible pressure from the powers that be at F1, so the F50 remained more of an experiment rather than a serious contender. :(

NOTE: I love the CLK-GTR all the same. :D


Edit - Assetto Corsa also has for example in Porsche pack 2 :
Porsche 718 Boxster S Manual Transmission
Porsche 718 Boxster S PDK

Everyone will say they prefer the manual but in league racing the same people will choose the PDK, lol. :D

Especially when a sizeable amount of sim racers still use wheels with only two pedals.

This should've been an option rather than two different cars. Out of all the racing games I've ever played, I only recall a few in which choosing your transmission meant exactly that instead of choosing between automated and manual shifting. Those were Super Monaco GP (automatic was easier but much slower), Need for Speed III Hot Pursuit and its sequel High Stakes.

proterra1
08-04-2017, 21:23
237381

That's easy - Audi R8. We need harder ones like a couple of weeks ago!

Azure Flare
09-04-2017, 00:05
That's easy - Audi R8. We need harder ones like a couple of weeks ago!

Yeah! Give us some that even WMD members have trouble with!

honespc
09-04-2017, 08:40
eemm, does the R8 come "equipped" with the forced neutral gear bug after performing a jump...., again?

breyzipp
09-04-2017, 10:41
ICYMI the Sauber Mercedes was confirmed in the Jag XJR 9 article a little while ago-
"it fought a running battle against the Sauber Mercedes (also in Project CARS 2)"
Presumably refering to the C9

Indeed missed it, thanks for the reminder!
Added it now. :)

Tank621
09-04-2017, 19:04
237382

Bealdor
09-04-2017, 20:13
I thought Audi have withdrawn their LMP program...?
Quite a unique design too...

honespc
09-04-2017, 20:40
The Audi R8...,has the gearbox bug been fixed?, because it was one of the most ashaming issues in the game to be honest, not only because it felt so ridiculous but also because it wasn't fixed eventually, rendering the car useless

c172fccc
09-04-2017, 22:45
The Audi R8...,has the gearbox bug been fixed?, because it was one of the most ashaming issues in the game to be honest, not only because it felt so ridiculous but also because it wasn't fixed eventually, rendering the car useless

Don't worry, yes, it's fixed.

ryandtw
10-04-2017, 04:13
I thought Audi have withdrawn their LMP program...?
Quite a unique design too...

Yeah, Audi withdrawn their LMP program, mainly because of the Dieselgate controversy. The GT and touring car programs are still fine, since they don't use diesel; it's just that the Audi LMPs since 2006 have been using diesel, but then we had the parent company's (Volkswagen) controversy of emissions cheating on its diesel vehicles (as well as Audis and, to a lesser extent, Porsches) and the return of the Porsche LMP program (Porsche is, again, part of the Volkswagen group). Audi has decided that electric is the future, so the involvement with Formula E did expand, so far as I know.

cxMilk
10-04-2017, 06:18
Yeah, Audi withdrawn their LMP program, mainly because of the Dieselgate controversy. The GT and touring car programs are still fine, since they don't use diesel; it's just that the Audi LMPs since 2006 have been using diesel, but then we had the parent company's (Volkswagen) controversy of emissions cheating on its diesel vehicles (as well as Audis and, to a lesser extent, Porsches) and the return of the Porsche LMP program (Porsche is, again, part of the Volkswagen group). Audi has decided that electric is the future, so the involvement with Formula E did expand, so far as I know.
Pretty sure his "question" was remarking on R18 ≠ R8.

hkraft300
10-04-2017, 08:14
Yeah, Audi withdrawn their LMP program, mainly because of the Dieselgate controversy. The GT and touring car programs are still fine, since they don't use diesel; it's just that the Audi LMPs since 2006 have been using diesel, but then we had the parent company's (Volkswagen) controversy of emissions cheating on its diesel vehicles (as well as Audis and, to a lesser extent, Porsches) and the return of the Porsche LMP program (Porsche is, again, part of the Volkswagen group). Audi has decided that electric is the future, so the involvement with Formula E did expand, so far as I know.

Audi LMP1 cancellation was, according to Audi, that the LMP1 BoP/energy rules put diesel at a disadvantage. They'd been complaining for a couple years their fuel tank capacity was too small, restricted by ACO. That's their "official" reason AFAIK.

I suppose dieselgate and cost cutting by VW has a big part to play in it.
Off topic: Only just found out some of Renault's small diesels have been found to be breaching NOx limits too, and that they'd been under investigation from French authorities since 2014!
I wonder how many other companies are cheating emissions tests.

Zpectre87
10-04-2017, 09:14
Audi LMP1 cancellation was, according to Audi, that the LMP1 BoP/energy rules put diesel at a disadvantage. They'd been complaining for a couple years their fuel tank capacity was too small, restricted by ACO. That's their "official" reason AFAIK.

I suppose dieselgate and cost cutting by VW has a big part to play in it.
Off topic: Only just found out some of Renault's small diesels have been found to be breaching NOx limits too, and that they'd been under investigation from French authorities since 2014!
I wonder how many other companies are cheating emissions tests.

TBH Audi going diesel has always been a marketing ploy, which was very successful for them until the Dieselgate, as the TDI cars were not only the most economical, but also won the races. :D

I think Peugeot only went diesel to be competitive against Audi, though. It helped that Peugeot has presence in markets where diesel cars are common (Europe and South America, withe the exception of Brazil due to some stupid law).

It explains why Toyota never bothered to make a diesel prototype, as their biggest market is the US, where diesel cars were never very successful outside of trucks.

hkraft300
10-04-2017, 14:29
Top level racing for manufacturers is always, unfortunately, a marketing exercise more than R&D.
Peugeot built a beast of a diesel to battle Audi.
Wouldn't the 908 be an epic addition to pcars! /end car request

hkraft300
11-04-2017, 14:52
I spy with my little eye...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KuENMxrpXk&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=i1ZRwRenrIGOauax-6


Some cars to be added to this list.
Also a Clio at 1:06, 1:18, 1:23!

Mad Al
11-04-2017, 15:39
I spy with my little eye...



Some cars to be added to this list.
Also a Clio at 1:06, 1:18, 1:23!

Should have gone to Specsavers... ;)

Try looking at the Cars when they are shown in the showroom (around 1 minute in)

jimmyb_84
11-04-2017, 15:52
Top level racing for manufacturers is always, unfortunately, a marketing exercise more than R&D.
Peugeot built a beast of a diesel to battle Audi.
Wouldn't the 908 be an epic addition to pcars! /end car request

You say that, but Audi TFSI was developed in the Le Mans LMP and is now fitted to most road cars, also Toyota,'s LMP program is partly funded by their R&D budget.

To say it's not revelant isn't entirely true

Aile_Bleue
11-04-2017, 16:03
hkraft300 : I think it's a Mégane not a Clio ;)

Mad Al
11-04-2017, 16:09
hkraft300 : I think it's a Mégane not a Clio ;)

As I said.. check out the showroom shots

237402


but what is this....

237403

Aile_Bleue
11-04-2017, 16:14
Wellllll I don't know... BMW ?... Subaru ?... Mercedes ? ... But these car brands are not in rallycross...?

Tank621
11-04-2017, 16:51
237404

Mahjik
11-04-2017, 16:58
For those wanting to see the actual video: https://www.instagram.com/p/BSwIyP3jzmq/

Tank621
11-04-2017, 17:33
For those wanting to see the actual video: https://www.instagram.com/p/BSwIyP3jzmq/

Cheers for that, I forgot to link it

hkraft300
11-04-2017, 22:39
hkraft300 : I think it's a Mégane not a Clio ;)


Should have gone to Specsavers... ;)


:hopelessness:
I think you're both right.


You say that, but Audi TFSI was developed in the Le Mans LMP and is now fitted to most road cars, also Toyota,'s LMP program is partly funded by their R&D budget.

To say it's not revelant isn't entirely true

I stand corrected. Although petrol and diesel direct injection systems have been around a while, motorsport tech does eventually trickle down to road cars. Tyres, carbon brakes and chassis, fuel injection and ecu systems...
*cough*dieselgate*cough*
I just don't like the boardroom marketing and brand image talk. Also I think top level motorsport needs to be less restrictive on hybrid tech, specifically the direction of R&D only in electric motor+battery storage. Electric motor-generator units are amazingly simple (compared to internal combustion engines) by nature. It's all the control and integration algorithms that get tricky.

breyzipp
11-04-2017, 23:26
Will have to update the car list tomorrow, bed time. :D

Azure Flare
12-04-2017, 02:33
Remember the Indycar fro PCars 1? We got 'em up to spec now.

RacingAtHome
12-04-2017, 02:40
Remember the Indycar fro PCars 1? We got 'em up to spec now.

I assume IndyCar don't like the old spec ones. Even though we already have them.

breyzipp
12-04-2017, 06:46
I added the following:

group 2 rally
1970 Ford Escort RS 1600 (link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KuENMxrpXk))

rallycross
2016 OMSE Supercar Lites "Ford Fiesta" (link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KuENMxrpXk))
2016 Ford Focus RS RX (link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KuENMxrpXk))
2016 Honda Civic Coupe (link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KuENMxrpXk))
2015 Mini Countryman RX (link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KuENMxrpXk))
201? Renault Megane (SMS-RX?) (link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KuENMxrpXk))
2016 Volkswagen Polo RX (link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KuENMxrpXk))


Missing anything? I wonder wth that Megane is, ProDrive is working on a 2018 Megane RX but it's got a massive diffuser at the rear so it's not the car from the video. Me thinks SMS has made their own "SMS-RX" version of the Megane similar to the SMS-R race cars. :)

Tank621
12-04-2017, 07:41
Did I see somewhere that the Indycars in PCARS 2 were from 2016?
Also good to see official liveries (I know we can only see a tiny bit but that is definitely Hinchcliffe's #5 car)

Aile_Bleue
12-04-2017, 08:23
For the Mégane RX / SMS, Renault has planned for 2018 a Mégane 4 RX... So the Mégane in the trailer is probably a car made by SMS ! But nothing is sure...

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RacingAtHome
12-04-2017, 11:34
Did I see somewhere that the Indycars in PCARS 2 were from 2016?
Also good to see official liveries (I know we can only see a tiny bit but that is definitely Hinchcliffe's #5 car)

Yes you did. I'm hoping they have the Coyne liveries. (Including the greatest pink)

Konan
12-04-2017, 11:45
Did I see somewhere that the Indycars in PCARS 2 were from 2016?

Yes it was confirmed by The American over at GTP...

Edit:looks like i got ninja'd ^ but that's no wonder since he almost lives overthere...lol

RacingAtHome
12-04-2017, 13:27
Yes it was confirmed by The American over at GTP...

Edit:looks like i got ninja'd ^ but that's no wonder since he almost lives overthere...lol

Lives over there? Where did you get that from? ;)

Zpectre87
12-04-2017, 13:41
All this drifting in RX humbles me. :D

Konan
12-04-2017, 13:45
All this drifting in RX RUMBLES me. :D

FTFY :p

F1_Racer68
12-04-2017, 15:23
Did I see somewhere that the Indycars in PCARS 2 were from 2016?
Also good to see official liveries (I know we can only see a tiny bit but that is definitely Hinchcliffe's #5 car)

Hinchcliffe's #5 is already in the current game. HE was the consultant on the IndyCar handling and SPM was the team that provided all the data, so that livery went in.

For pCARS2, it will be 2016 from what I recall, but that is OK since the 2017 cars are the same spec (aero, etc are frozen for this year). The only thing that changed is liveries and driver/team pairings. So I doubt we will see Newgarden in Penske, Bourdais in Coyne, etc. But on a positive note, we might get the Ganassi Target retro livery ;)

Grijo
12-04-2017, 15:34
Hinchcliffe's #5 is already in the current game. HE was the consultant on the IndyCar handling and SPM was the team that provided all the data, so that livery went in.

For pCARS2, it will be 2016 from what I recall, but that is OK since the 2017 cars are the same spec (aero, etc are frozen for this year). The only thing that changed is liveries and driver/team pairings. So I doubt we will see Newgarden in Penske, Bourdais in Coyne, etc. But on a positive note, we might get the Ganassi Target retro livery ;)

One of the most beautiful Indycar liveries for me. But what I want really is Rahal Miller´s livery :D

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F1_Racer68
12-04-2017, 16:21
One of the most beautiful Indycar liveries for me. But what I want really is Rahal Miller´s livery :D

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For me, it's this one I want.......

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And how cool is this shot? Two legends of CART/ChampCar/IndyCar in one image.... Greg Moore and Alex Zanardi...

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Grijo
12-04-2017, 16:48
And how cool is this shot? Two legends of CART/ChampCar/IndyCar in one image.... Greg Moore and Alex Zanardi...

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Good times...great taste for liveries :D

RacingAtHome
12-04-2017, 17:02
Hi guys.
http://www.automobilsport.com/upload/americanseries/champcar-2007/champcar2007-europe/champcar-lagunaseca.jpg

Mahjik
12-04-2017, 17:04
Gents, let's get back on topic "confirmed car list". There is another thread for "car wishes".

Grijo
12-04-2017, 17:07
Gents, let's get back on topic "confirmed car list". There is another thread for "car wishes".

My bad, I started it, sorry. But these were not car wishes posts...only liveries wishes posts :p

I´ll try not repeat that...sometimes my posts derail a littile bit

breyzipp
12-04-2017, 20:24
Yes it was confirmed by The American over at GTP...

Edit:looks like i got ninja'd ^ but that's no wonder since he almost lives overthere...lol

Uhm are we sure it will be the 2016 spec IndyCars? I thought The American was saying that the cars would follow the 2016 ruleset (not sure about what exactly, was this not about pit crew behaviour or general racing rules or something?).

I could add the 2016 Honda and 2016 Chevrolet IndyCars to the confirmed car list (also with IndyCar license already officially confirmed I think?) but for how I read the American's post I was not entirely certain about that.

RacingAtHome
12-04-2017, 20:38
Uhm are we sure it will be the 2016 spec IndyCars? I thought The American was saying that the cars would follow the 2016 ruleset (not sure about what exactly, was this not about pit crew behaviour or general racing rules or something?).

I could add the 2016 Honda and 2016 Chevrolet IndyCars to the confirmed car list (also with IndyCar license already officially confirmed I think?) but for how I read the American's post I was not entirely certain about that.

I'm sure if it was regarding the 2015 cars, he'd have said 2015 ruleset.

Konan
12-04-2017, 20:45
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/q-a-with-ianbell-read-op-process-of-updating.353715/page-43#post-11773568

Can't really decipher that....

F1_Racer68
12-04-2017, 20:57
I'll try and find the actual post again, however, I look at these 2 together:

"But we can talk about IndyCar: we're now an officially licensed IndyCar Game." - Andy Tudor
http://www.pocket-lint.com/review/140275-project-cars-2-gameplay-preview-racing-realism-amplified-to-new-heights

"2016 (we have the license for 2016 season)" - The_American (GTPlanet)

My takeaway from those and other comments made elsewhere (which I will endeavour to find) all point at 2016 spec cars. For the record, the aero kits are the only thing that ever changed anyways. And the 2016 changes were mandated by IndyCar to avoid debris from the flimsy crap the manufacturers came up with in 2015.

I believe we even saw screen shots showing both the Honda and Chevrolet cars in both Road Course and Speedway aero packages (may have been leaked, but thought they were official). As the license dictates 2016 rule set, why would it not also dictate 2016 car spec? Rule set and car spec go hand-in-hand.......

Azure Flare
13-04-2017, 02:41
Well, since the cat is kind of out of the bag...

The Indycars that will feature will be 2016 spec, both in Chevy and Honda flavors. There also may or may not be both roadcourse/speedway bodywork and superspeedway bodywork.

RacingAtHome
13-04-2017, 10:48
Well, since the cat is kind of out of the bag...

The Indycars that will feature will be 2016 spec, both in Chevy and Honda flavors. There also may or may not be both roadcourse/speedway bodywork and superspeedway bodywork.

Hmm. I wonder if that may or may not is the usual not actually a possibility but the most likely situation at the current stage.

IceShaft
13-04-2017, 13:01
From this preview video BMW M6 GT3 confirmed!
Along with Cadillac CTS-V GT3, Ginetta G55 GT3 and Bentley Continental GT3.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pvX9OuvtrU

Tank621
13-04-2017, 14:36
That brings the total number of GT3s up to 8 and they all seem to be be fairly up to date which is good to see

F1_Racer68
13-04-2017, 15:41
That brings the total number of GT3s up to 8 and they all seem to be be fairly up to date which is good to see And we haven't even seen what we might get from "the trifecta". I expect the GT3 class to be close to double of what we have seen so far (estimating 14 based on existing and new cars)

breyzipp
13-04-2017, 18:35
And we haven't even seen what we night get from "the trifecta". I expect the GT3 class to be close to double of what we have seen so far (estimating 14 based on existing and new cars)

My predictions from earlier this year : http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?50109-Speculation-about-the-GT3-cars-in-PCARS2
With this new reveal I'm still 100% on track. :)

disclaimer - I'm not WMD affiliated or something nor do I have access to the game or the WMD forums. Just my healthy car enthousiast estimations. ;)

Konan
13-04-2017, 18:45
disclaimer - I'm not WMD affiliated or something nor do I have access to the game or the WMD forums. Just my healthy car enthousiast estimations. ;)

I can confirm that...;)

breyzipp
13-04-2017, 18:50
I can confirm that...;)

And I'm always coming too late to see some leaked content that later gets pulled so I'm really clueless as what's going one behind the scenes. Hence why I'm probably the perfect author for the first post of this thread huh? :D

breyzipp
13-04-2017, 19:28
Ok topic-post updated thus far. I added the new GT3 cars and also both 2016 IndyCars. Rallycross cars were already added yesterday. If I'm missing something let me know.

Over the weekend I will also divide the cars better into sections since it starts to get a bit difficult to keep a good overview.

wicken
13-04-2017, 23:38
For the Mégane RX / SMS, Renault has planned for 2018 a Mégane 4 RX... So the Mégane in the trailer is probably a car made by SMS ! But nothing is sure...

The RX versions from Renault and Mercedes are fictitious, the others are official licensed cars.

breyzipp
14-04-2017, 06:18
The RX versions from Renault and Mercedes are fictitious, the others are official licensed cars.

Mercedes? Was that the mystery car from the video?

wicken
14-04-2017, 08:55
Mercedes? Was that the mystery car from the video?
Yes, it was.
This was all planned out apparently, as this was a Easter-egg for those who like to check every detail frame by frame.

Tank621
14-04-2017, 09:19
Sorry for the double post but this video cotained a couple of new cars https://youtu.be/Uw9ezoqLuqA
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That middle picture looks interesting...

wicken
14-04-2017, 09:45
Sorry for the double post but this video cotained a couple of new cars
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That car looks like a 1963 Lotus Type 25 Climax.

Tank621
14-04-2017, 09:49
That's what I was thinking, I just forgot the number but the interesting thing is the middle pic below it because those are not DW12 Indycars

proterra1
14-04-2017, 10:05
That's what I was thinking, I just forgot the number but the interesting thing is the middle pic below it because those are not DW12 Indycars

Looks like a real life photo to me, not an in game shot.

Tank621
14-04-2017, 10:18
The lighting does seem a little different to most of what we've seen but if it is a real life photo I'm not sure why they wouldn't puck an up to date one to match their content unless they were thinking of having older Indycar generations. It could just be a mistake but I guess we'll find out in due course.

breyzipp
14-04-2017, 18:15
That car looks like a 1963 Lotus Type 25 Climax.

Indeed it is, double checked some PCARS 1 footage to compare and it's AFAICS the same car. Added to the list.
I sure hope the Type 40 Ford will return as well, that car was so fun to drive and the sound is amazing. :) Was my fav of the Lotus expansion.

IceShaft
14-04-2017, 18:48
Breyzipp you can add the Audi R8 LMS GT3 as well ;)

breyzipp
14-04-2017, 18:51
Breyzipp you can add the Audi R8 LMS GT3 as well ;)

Was that also in the Red bull Ring gameplay video?

btw also added this one from the RX trailer :
201x Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG SMS-RX

The mystery car is indeed the A45 AMG. I named both fictional rallycross cars "SMS-RX" so it's in line with the "SMS-R" race cars. If later the in-game name gets revealed I'll update. Or wait, since SMS-RX sounds so cool the devs better put that in the game. ;)

IceShaft
14-04-2017, 19:11
It's in another video I posted earlier, it's from the same preview event but this time in the gt3 race at the Red Bull Ring the player is chasing the new shiny Audi! :D

breyzipp
14-04-2017, 19:38
It's in another video I posted earlier, it's from the same preview event but this time in the gt3 race at the Red Bull Ring the player is chasing the new shiny Audi! :D

Got it, thanks!

Azure Flare
15-04-2017, 03:06
That's what I was thinking, I just forgot the number but the interesting thing is the middle pic below it because those are not DW12 Indycars

Probably an oversight when making that. We don't have the older cars, just the 2016 spec cars.

F1_Racer68
15-04-2017, 03:12
You don't seem to have it on your list yet, but the Aston Martin GT3 is now also confirmed

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This is from the latest VVV Game Play Preview video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDTJBhKIgRM

breyzipp
15-04-2017, 08:10
Probably an oversight when making that. We don't have the older cars, just the 2016 spec cars.

Can we be sure about that? It has been said PC2 will have the official 2016 IndyCar license but that doesn't mean no retro or classic IndyCars can be in the game right?

If you look at the context of that picture, if they need to put a picture under the title "new motorsport series" then I would think the first thing that anyone of the dev team would think about is probably the IndyCar series. Since it's obviously not a modern DW12 I would think it's more likely an older IndyCar open wheeler.

dault3883
17-04-2017, 15:09
on the confirmed list i noticed there was no mention of the LMP1 Prototypes like Audi Porsche and Toyota will they be on there

RacingAtHome
17-04-2017, 15:29
on the confirmed list i noticed there was no mention of the LMP1 Prototypes like Audi Porsche and Toyota will they be on there

Yes. They just haven't announced them yet.

dault3883
17-04-2017, 15:39
Yes. They just haven't announced them yet.

ok thanks im still trying to learn the forum still havent found a guide to the forum that would let me know all the rules and privaldges and how to gain certain privledges (honestly obviously not by spaming)

joelsantos24
17-04-2017, 16:51
***under construction***

(...)

* Info from The_American that the game already has 10 or more GT3 cars and that both car brands and SMS prefer to keep the freshest cars in the game: link (https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/q-a-with-ianbell-read-op-updated-2-15.353715/page-22#post-11735101) & link (https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/q-a-with-ianbell-read-op-updated-2-15.353715/page-23#post-11735780)
I take it, then, that it's very unlikely we'll see the BMW Z4 GT3 or the McLaren MP4-12C GT3? That's a shame.

dault3883
17-04-2017, 16:53
I take it, then, that it's very unlikely we'll see the BMW Z4 GT3 or the McLaren MP4-12C GT3? That's a shame.

i hope they put some type of Mclaren GT3 car in there as they still race them in the Blancapain gt series and other series around the world im a huge fan of mclaren

joelsantos24
17-04-2017, 17:04
i hope they put some type of Mclaren GT3 car in there as they still race them in the Blancapain gt series and other series around the world im a huge fan of mclaren
Well, we have the McLaren 650S GT3 in the list, which is the model currently used in the Blancpain championship.

There're numerous manufacturers currently competing with new models: BMW, with the new M6 (pulling back the older Z4 model); McLaren, with the new 650S (pulling back the MP4-12C); Mercedes-Benz AMG, with the new GT model (pulling back the SLS); etc. My point in the previous post, was that SMS is, apparently, focused on providing merely the most recent models, leaving the older ones out, like the MP4-12C, the Z4 and the SLS.

I'm a big fan of Mercedes and BMW, and I love the Z4 and the SLS, so I'd love to have those models also made available. Unfortunately, they're not going to be included.

dault3883
17-04-2017, 17:11
Well, we have the McLaren 650S GT3 in the list, which is the model currently used in the Blancpain championship.

There're numerous manufacturers currently competing with new models: BMW, with the new M6 (pulling back the older Z4 model); McLaren, with the new 650S (pulling back the MP4-12C); Mercedes-Benz AMG, with the new GT model (pulling back the SLS); etc. My point in the previous post, was that SMS is, apparently, focused on providing merely the most recent models, leaving the older ones out, like the MP4-12C, the Z4 and the SLS.

I'm a big fan of Mercedes and BMW, and I love the Z4 and the SLS, so I'd love to have those models also made available. Unfortunately, they're not going to be included.

maybe on dlc's? it wouldnt be a bad idea issue the older cars from PC1 that arent on pc2 by default to be available for pc2 by dlc

breyzipp
17-04-2017, 17:14
I don't mind the older GT3 like the Z4, SLS and MP4-12C in the game but they should have their own class and not be mixed with the current generation of GT3 cars IMO. Actually just those 3 together in a class of their own would already be nice.

dault3883
17-04-2017, 17:17
I don't mind the older GT3 like the Z4, SLS and MP4-12C in the game but they should have their own class and not be mixed with the current generation of GT3 cars IMO. Actually just those 3 together in a class of their own would already be nice.

Throw in the older Corvette C6R's and you would really have a great field

joelsantos24
17-04-2017, 17:24
I don't mind the older GT3 like the Z4, SLS and MP4-12C in the game but they should have their own class and not be mixed with the current generation of GT3 cars IMO. Actually just those 3 together in a class of their own would already be nice.
You mean, separate from the other GT3 cars? In spite of being also GT3 cars? I don't understand...

dault3883
17-04-2017, 17:28
You mean, separate from the other GT3 cars? In spite of being also GT3 cars? I don't understand...

i think he means make a fictonal class like GT3C C for classic or something

Konan
17-04-2017, 17:34
ok thanks im still trying to learn the forum still havent found a guide to the forum that would let me know all the rules and privaldges and how to gain certain privledges (honestly obviously not by spaming)


http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/faq.php?faq=vb3_board_faq#faq_vb3_board_usage

dault3883
17-04-2017, 17:36
http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/faq.php?faq=vb3_board_faq#faq_vb3_board_usage

Thank you

Konan
17-04-2017, 17:39
No problem...:cool:

Olijke Poffer
17-04-2017, 19:12
Well, we have the McLaren 650S GT3 in the list, which is the model currently used in the Blancpain championship.

There're numerous manufacturers currently competing with new models: BMW, with the new M6 (pulling back the older Z4 model); McLaren, with the new 650S (pulling back the MP4-12C); Mercedes-Benz AMG, with the new GT model (pulling back the SLS); etc. My point in the previous post, was that SMS is, apparently, focused on providing merely the most recent models, leaving the older ones out, like the MP4-12C, the Z4 and the SLS.

I'm a big fan of Mercedes and BMW, and I love the Z4 and the SLS, so I'd love to have those models also made available. Unfortunately, they're not going to be included.

Awesome car. Today a McLaren 650S drove by in our street. Wow.. that sound.. first time in my life I see one in real life. :applouse:

RacingAtHome
17-04-2017, 19:16
Awesome car. Today a McLaren 650S drove by in our street. Wow.. that sound.. first time in my life I see one in real life. :applouse:

Me and my dad were following a Bentley a few weeks ago and it looked great. Can't remember the model but it looked brilliant.

breyzipp
17-04-2017, 19:37
I spiced up the topic post a bit, added higher level groups to put all the different car divisions in and also added better link descriptions to the source material.
Also put fictional cars in blue, I assume more will be coming with RWD and Marek brands as well as the Formula cars and karts.

breyzipp
17-04-2017, 19:44
You mean, separate from the other GT3 cars? In spite of being also GT3 cars? I don't understand...

Different generations my friend. :) The Z4, SLS and MP4 GT3's raced +/- from 2010 until 2015. They have been replaced for the 2016-2017 (and future) seasons resp. with the M6, AMG GT and 650S. The current revealed grid we have in PCARS2 represents the 2016-2017 GT3 season near perfect (or even perfect if specs of the older PC1 cars like the Bentley have been updated to 2016-2017 spec). The Z4, SLS and MP4 really have no business there.

However (and that is what I was trying to explain with my previous post), it would be really nice if next to the modern GT3 classes (those 2016-2017 cars) we would also have a separate "2012 GT3 class" or something similar and there the previous generation GT3 cars could be put in.

wicken
17-04-2017, 21:39
However (and that is what I was trying to explain with my previous post), it would be really nice if next to the modern GT3 classes (those 2016-2017 cars) we would also have a separate "2012 GT3 class" or something similar and there the previous generation GT3 cars could be put in.

I know you're not posting cars that were leaked but, not long ago there was a screenshot with a BMW Z4 GT3 on it. Maybe we have it, maybe we don't, we will see.

Also, you have a tiny mistake in one of your cars.
The Pagani that we see racing in the announcement trailer is not a Pagani Zonda R. It's in fact a Pagani Zonda Revolucion.
http://i.imgur.com/O5W6fHz.jpg

A quick screenshot from PC1 for comparison.
http://i.imgur.com/b3KxYlU.jpg

dault3883
17-04-2017, 21:59
just looking through the Ford falcon Paint skins and just thought i hope they have the other V8 super car makes like Volvo iv recently had to jump ship from holden after they dumped the Holden Racing team who was my favorite iv fallowed Garth Tander to his new team which is a volvo team

now just saw on Garth Tanders page that Garry Rogers Motorsports is running holdens now im all confused so i guess it would be cool to have holden commadore v8 super cars in the game too

MillsLayne
17-04-2017, 22:27
just looking through the Ford falcon Paint skins and just thought i hope they have the other V8 super car makes like Volvo iv recently had to jump ship from holden after they dumped the Holden Racing team who was my favorite iv fallowed Garth Tander to his new team which is a volvo team

now just saw on Garth Tanders page that Garry Rogers Motorsports is running holdens now im all confused so i guess it would be cool to have holden commadore v8 super cars in the game too

Dude, I'll just be happy to have a Supercar back in PC2, whether it's a Ford, Holden or even the damn Nissan. haha I just want Supercars back, period.

breyzipp
17-04-2017, 22:28
Also, you have a tiny mistake in one of your cars.
The Pagani that we see racing in the announcement trailer is not a Pagani Zonda R. It's in fact a Pagani Zonda Revolucion.

Good find, thx! fixed it

Cheesenium
18-04-2017, 03:36
Different generations my friend. :) The Z4, SLS and MP4 GT3's raced +/- from 2010 until 2015. They have been replaced for the 2016-2017 (and future) seasons resp. with the M6, AMG GT and 650S. The current revealed grid we have in PCARS2 represents the 2016-2017 GT3 season near perfect (or even perfect if specs of the older PC1 cars like the Bentley have been updated to 2016-2017 spec). The Z4, SLS and MP4 really have no business there.

However (and that is what I was trying to explain with my previous post), it would be really nice if next to the modern GT3 classes (those 2016-2017 cars) we would also have a separate "2012 GT3 class" or something similar and there the previous generation GT3 cars could be put in.

Different generations does not mean they cant race together. Heck. some GT3 leagues like Aussie GT is still fielding these old cars and they are quite competitive with the new cars. R3E still have C6R or Alpina B6 racing with 650S or M6 GT3.

If the model is still available, I do not see why shouldn't they be in the game. It just need some BoP to balance it.

dault3883
18-04-2017, 03:52
Different generations does not mean they cant race together. Heck. some GT3 leagues like Aussie GT is still fielding these old cars and they are quite competitive with the new cars. R3E still have C6R or Alpina B6 racing with 650S or M6 GT3.

If the model is still available, I do not see why shouldn't they be in the game. It just need some BoP to balance it.

i agree GRID had the C5r and C6r corvettes in the same game and gran turismo and others have done the same thing i personally love the nostalgic feel of running a race car they no longer run

hkraft300
18-04-2017, 03:57
If the model is still available, I do not see why shouldn't they be in the game. It just need some BoP to balance it.

I don't think the BoP is necessary and even if the older cars are in a separate class it won't matter much. We're getting multi-class option in pc2 so you can fill the grid with GTE+GT3 cars all you like :)

dault3883
18-04-2017, 03:58
I don't think the BoP is necessary and even if the older cars are in a separate class it won't matter much. We're getting multi-class option in pc2 so you can fill the grid with GTE+GT3 cars all you like :)

true and while were at it for a real experiance throw the LMP1 and LMP2 cars in the field too

joelsantos24
18-04-2017, 08:41
i think he means make a fictonal class like GT3C C for classic or something
Yeah, I figured as much. Although, regarding cars such as the Z4 or the SLS as classic, would be quite the leap, in my opinion.


Awesome car. Today a McLaren 650S drove by in our street. Wow.. that sound.. first time in my life I see one in real life. :applouse:
I've never seen one, to be honest. Nor the MP4, for that matter, which, I still think, is the best.


Different generations my friend. :) The Z4, SLS and MP4 GT3's raced +/- from 2010 until 2015. They have been replaced for the 2016-2017 (and future) seasons resp. with the M6, AMG GT and 650S. The current revealed grid we have in PCARS2 represents the 2016-2017 GT3 season near perfect (or even perfect if specs of the older PC1 cars like the Bentley have been updated to 2016-2017 spec). The Z4, SLS and MP4 really have no business there.

However (and that is what I was trying to explain with my previous post), it would be really nice if next to the modern GT3 classes (those 2016-2017 cars) we would also have a separate "2012 GT3 class" or something similar and there the previous generation GT3 cars could be put in.
I understand your point. The bottom line is, there isn't much difference between, what you personally regard as last generation GT3 cars, and the current ones. In the Blancplain GT Series, which is the official FIA GT3 championship, you have all those cars licensed and competing together (http://www.blancpain-gt-series.com/cars), with the exception of the McLaren MP4-12C, which is definitely out of the grid.


Different generations does not mean they cant race together. Heck. some GT3 leagues like Aussie GT is still fielding these old cars and they are quite competitive with the new cars. R3E still have C6R or Alpina B6 racing with 650S or M6 GT3.

If the model is still available, I do not see why shouldn't they be in the game. It just need some BoP to balance it.
Exactly. As I mentioned above, that happens in the Blancplain GT series. There are thorough and strict regulations regarding the GT3 cars, so if they're all licensed and cleared for competition, that means they're all on a balanced playing field.

To conclude, having more options, is much better than having just the one. if I'm in a position to choose between teams which race with the BMW M6 or the Z4, I'll always choose the Z4. The same goes for the Mercedes-Benz AMG SLS, against the GT model. It's just a matter of personal preference.

breyzipp
18-04-2017, 08:56
Very well, there are indeed racing series which for the moment run both cars, that's because we're in a phase of transitioning from the previous generation to the new generation. The same happened at Le Mans 2016 I believe when both the 488 GTE and the older 458 GTE were in the field. Usually the top teams and factory teams switch over to the new model fast while the smaller teams keep driving the older model longer for financial reasons (as long as regulations allow it).

I still prefer the older ones in their own subcategory but who am I, let's see what SMS makes out of it. Judging by that quote from The_American in the top post I would think the Z4, SLS and MP4 won't be in the game anymore though.

joelsantos24
18-04-2017, 09:11
Very well, there are indeed racing series which for the moment run both cars, that's because we're in a phase of transitioning from the previous generation to the new generation. The same happened at Le Mans 2016 I believe when both the 488 GTE and the older 458 GTE were in the field. Usually the top teams and factory teams switch over to the new model fast while the smaller teams keep driving the older model longer for financial reasons (as long as regulations allow it).

I still prefer the older ones in their own subcategory but who am I, let's see what SMS makes out of it. Judging by that quote from The_American in the top post I would think the Z4, SLS and MP4 won't be in the game anymore though.
Yeah, that's my assumption too. It's a shame, though, not going to be able to race with the SLS and the Z4. On the other hand, Wicken, in post #442, mentioned he saw a screenshot which included the BMW Z4. So, I really don't know what to make of it, right now.

Cheesenium
18-04-2017, 09:16
I don't think the BoP is necessary and even if the older cars are in a separate class it won't matter much. We're getting multi-class option in pc2 so you can fill the grid with GTE+GT3 cars all you like :)

There is probably a limit on how many class can you combine. It won't make any sense if you can combine 10 or so classes on one track.

Old cars does not mean they are slow, they still can be quite fast in the right hands.

Tank621
18-04-2017, 09:34
I believe someone said that the limit was four different classes

breyzipp
18-04-2017, 10:01
Yep 4 different classes is the maximum, The_American posted that on GT Planet a while ago.
4 sure seems enough to me, otherwise it gets too clustered IMO.

breyzipp
18-04-2017, 10:06
Yeah, that's my assumption too. It's a shame, though, not going to be able to race with the SLS and the Z4. On the other hand, Wicken, in post #442, mentioned he saw a screenshot which included the BMW Z4. So, I really don't know what to make of it, right now.

I personally wouldn't miss those GT3s from +/- 2012 much and gladly race the newer models. Not sure about that Z4 screenshot, can anyone link that? The fact that none of those 2012 GT3s are in the recent Red Bull Ring GT3 race while a LOT of the new ones are makes me believe those 2012s won't be in the game.

But, if demand for the 2012s is big maybe they can be returned via DLC at some point. I personally rather see other cars though. We already have over 10 GT3s confirmed now and I assume the ones from Lamborghini, Porsche and Ferrari will make it in as well. That's enough GT3s for me if you take into account the entire car roster sits at about 170 cars.

rosko
18-04-2017, 10:32
I personally wouldn't miss those GT3s from +/- 2012 much and gladly race the newer models. Not sure about that Z4 screenshot, can anyone link that? The fact that none of those 2012 GT3s are in the recent Red Bull Ring GT3 race while a LOT of the new ones are makes me believe those 2012s won't be in the game.

But, if demand for the 2012s is big maybe they can be returned via DLC at some point. I personally rather see other cars though. We already have over 10 GT3s confirmed now and I assume the ones from Lamborghini, Porsche and Ferrari will make it in as well. That's enough GT3s for me if you take into account the entire car roster sits at about 170 cars.

I agree, i would rather see the other groups padded out but i think the old gt3s will be there.

F1_Racer68
18-04-2017, 10:57
I don't think we can link that screenshot as I don't believe it was an official one.

As for the Z4 and other older GT3s, I have no.objection to keeping them in the main GT3 class for now. As pointed out, the Blancpain series and others still allow the car. Most sanction bodies for GT racing follow the same basic rule of allowing the car for up to 7 years after it goes out of production. That's what happened to the Ford GT for example. After 2013 the car was no longer eligible as the last ones were built in 2007. The Z4 could still be around for another 3 - 4 years in the hands of privateer teams.

cluck
18-04-2017, 11:34
I don't think we can link that screenshot as I don't believe it was an official one.I know the shot you mean and I can confirm that it absolutely was not official, it was simply grabbed off the WMD2 forum.

Zpectre87
18-04-2017, 11:50
The SLS and the 12C don't make much sense. The AMG GT is a much superior car and uses the same engine as the SLS. The 650S is the update to the 12C and can even be converted from an existing 12C car in real life.

Cheesenium
18-04-2017, 12:49
The SLS and the 12C don't make much sense. The AMG GT is a much superior car and uses the same engine as the SLS. The 650S is the update to the 12C and can even be converted from an existing 12C car in real life.

Still, that does not mean you cant use it.

Some leagues like Aussie GT are still using the old cars and they are doing quite well against the new cars. While for pcars 2, the more the merrier as it does not matter for the game.

I dont mind if they bring the Jaguar GT3 or other older cars.

joelsantos24
18-04-2017, 12:57
I personally wouldn't miss those GT3s from +/- 2012 much and gladly race the newer models. Not sure about that Z4 screenshot, can anyone link that? The fact that none of those 2012 GT3s are in the recent Red Bull Ring GT3 race while a LOT of the new ones are makes me believe those 2012s won't be in the game.

But, if demand for the 2012s is big maybe they can be returned via DLC at some point. I personally rather see other cars though. We already have over 10 GT3s confirmed now and I assume the ones from Lamborghini, Porsche and Ferrari will make it in as well. That's enough GT3s for me if you take into account the entire car roster sits at about 170 cars.
As time goes on, private teams will move on towards the new models, no doubt, but the older ones are still out there and very much competitive. The fact that they were in the first game, makes me hopeful that they'll also be in the next, particularly since they're still (realistically) active in the main and secondary championship series.


I don't think we can link that screenshot as I don't believe it was an official one.

As for the Z4 and other older GT3s, I have no.objection to keeping them in the main GT3 class for now. As pointed out, the Blancpain series and others still allow the car. Most sanction bodies for GT racing follow the same basic rule of allowing the car for up to 7 years after it goes out of production. That's what happened to the Ford GT for example. After 2013 the car was no longer eligible as the last ones were built in 2007. The Z4 could still be around for another 3 - 4 years in the hands of privateer teams.
Exactly. Good point.

hkraft300
18-04-2017, 13:33
I understand the 650 replacing the MP4, and the AMG replacing SLS.
But the Z4 and M6 are completely different cars. Hopefully the Z4 makes it. If not, I won't miss it.

dault3883
19-04-2017, 00:24
Very well, there are indeed racing series which for the moment run both cars, that's because we're in a phase of transitioning from the previous generation to the new generation. The same happened at Le Mans 2016 I believe when both the 488 GTE and the older 458 GTE were in the field. Usually the top teams and factory teams switch over to the new model fast while the smaller teams keep driving the older model longer for financial reasons (as long as regulations allow it).

I still prefer the older ones in their own subcategory but who am I, let's see what SMS makes out of it. Judging by that quote from The_American in the top post I would think the Z4, SLS and MP4 won't be in the game anymore though.

if i remember correctly either last year or a couple of years before a couple of the lemans reserve teams had the Chevy Corvette C6r's too

Cheesenium
19-04-2017, 02:59
I understand the 650 replacing the MP4, and the AMG replacing SLS.
But the Z4 and M6 are completely different cars. Hopefully the Z4 makes it. If not, I won't miss it.

M6 and Z4 drives very differently in R3E while in AC, AMG GT3 and SLS are quite different beast on it's own. I quite enjoy driving the Z4 in R3E, more so than M6 because M6 feels like a refined Bentley GT3 for some reasons to me.

joelsantos24
19-04-2017, 19:14
M6 and Z4 drives very differently in R3E while in AC, AMG GT3 and SLS are quite different beast on it's own. I quite enjoy driving the Z4 in R3E, more so than M6 because M6 feels like a refined Bentley GT3 for some reasons to me.
You know, I could never get myself to drive the Bentley. Everyone keeps telling how balanced and enjoyable, that car is, but I never felt the desire to take it for a drive, truth be told. I'm definitely giving it a try.

RacingAtHome
19-04-2017, 20:02
You know, I could never get myself to drive the Bentley. Everyone keeps telling how balanced and enjoyable, that car is, but I never felt the desire to take it for a drive, truth be told. I'm definitely giving it a try.

It's a well balanced and enjoyable car but it also snaps on you quicker than others. I love to drive it and it drove me to support the real life teams.

poirqc
20-04-2017, 01:55
It's a well balanced and enjoyable car but it also snaps on you quicker than others. I love to drive it and it drove me to support the real life teams.

It sounds real nice also!

dault3883
20-04-2017, 02:29
It sounds real nice also!

but it also looks so dang unaerodynamic

Azure Flare
20-04-2017, 02:40
but it also looks so dang unaerodynamic

But it easily keeps up with everything else.

joelsantos24
20-04-2017, 08:57
It's a well balanced and enjoyable car but it also snaps on you quicker than others. I love to drive it and it drove me to support the real life teams.
It's that fragile? The impression I got from it, was slightly the same as the old Lexus SC430 from Super GT. It was incredibly balanced and stable, much more than the Honda NSX or HSV-010, or even the Nissan GT-R, for that matter, although, it couldn't compete in sheer power. Still, it was always my favourite in Super GT.

Zpectre87
20-04-2017, 09:57
Still, that does not mean you cant use it.

Some leagues like Aussie GT are still using the old cars and they are doing quite well against the new cars. While for pcars 2, the more the merrier as it does not matter for the game.

I dont mind if they bring the Jaguar GT3 or other older cars.

I think it depends on the cars. For example, the AMG GT should be a better chassis than the SLS, but it uses the same engine, so it doesn't really have any straight line speed advantage. The 650S is a revised 12C, so they're the same car and performance might be dependent on how good the team and the drivers are. The Z4 on the other hand is very different from the M6, and it has some advantages over the new car, despite being somewhat underpowered next to it.

At the WEC the privateers (LMGTE-Am class) use grandfathered year old cars and, especially at the beginning of a new cycle, can surprise some of the factory teams. The 488 GTB for example did badly at Le Mans last year, with only one car surviving the whole race (although it was placed well), while the old 458 was very competitive in its class and ahead of most of the problematic 488s.

Technically I'd like all the old cars to return, GT3 and GT4 alike. :D But I understand it may not be possible.

joelsantos24
20-04-2017, 11:01
I also understand that we might not get the older cars. It's unfortunate, nonetheless, because if we take the example of GT, this wouldn't even be discussed, because we know that both the Mercedes-Benz AMG SLS and GT will be in the game. The same with the BMW Z4 and M6, as well as the McLaren cars, all the way to the F1 model. For some people, I know it's a deal breaker, because they simply don't like or don't want the new models. For my case, I agree with those people, and although I'd prefer having options, instead of just the one forced upon you, I can live with it.

The bottom line is, we're not talking about cars that are ancient. Quite the opposite, actually. The cars still do very well in international championship series around the world, being even considered more competitive than the newer ones. Regarding the cars that I mentioned from the start (the SLS, the Z4, and the MP4-12C), I accept the possibility that these might be scrapped from the game, and I can live with it. I just don't and can't understand it, given the fact that they still compete at a very high level, and that should be enough to keep them in.

balderz002
20-04-2017, 14:20
For some people, I know it's a deal breaker, because they simply don't like or don't want the new models.

Those people should come back for Project Cars 7, when these current GT3/4 cars are considered retro and cool again (much like the Group A tourers, and the Group 5 turbo monsters are now).




The bottom line is, we're not talking about cars that are ancient.

My want is the 'old' GT1 cars from the early noughties, they are not old, but are currently out of fashion with game makers.

Seems like cars in games have a similar cycle to real world cars....

1. They are new and exciting, everyone wants them
2. They become established
3. They become second hand/cheap, replaced by new exciting models
4. They become cool/retro/desirable/classic, everyone wants a piece

joelsantos24
20-04-2017, 14:30
Those people should come back for Project Cars 7, when these current GT3/4 cars are considered retro and cool again (much like the Group A tourers, and the Group 5 turbo monsters are now).

My want is the 'old' GT1 cars from the early noughties, they are not old, but are currently out of fashion with game makers.

Seems like cars in games have a similar cycle to real world cars....

1. They are new and exciting, everyone wants them
2. They become established
3. They become second hand/cheap, replaced by new exciting models
4. They become cool/retro/desirable/classic, everyone wants a piece
I totally get it, many players might prefer the newer models. I accept that, and I'll live with that, if we end up not getting those in the game. Nevertheless, calling cars such as the SLS, Z4 or MP4-12C, old or out of fashion, goes beyond the reference "quite a stretch", in my opinion. As I, and many others, have said before, these cars are currently approved, active and incredibly competitive in several championship series around the world, including the main one (Blancplain GT Series).

gregc
20-04-2017, 15:21
I tend to think of the 12C in different terms to the Z4 and SLS - the 650S GT3 is pretty much a 12C in a new dress (to the extent that, as I understand it, several 12C GT3s have been converted to 650S). Because of that I think it would be perfectly sensible to lose the 12C. The SLS and the Z4 on the other hand are completely different models to their replacements, and I can see the appeal of keeping them (especially with the noise the Z4 makes!). All that said, I don't think anything has been confirmed about any of those specific cars being either dropped or kept, unless I've missed an update?

As regards the Blancpain series - I've just had a look at the entry lists for the first rounds of both Sprint and Endurance, and there's no SLS, Z4 or 12C listed.

joelsantos24
20-04-2017, 15:59
The cars remain homologated by the FIA, with the exception of the McLaren MP4-12C, for competition in GT3 series (http://www.blancpain-gt-series.com/cars). I know certain teams in the Australian GT championship, still drive the Ferrari 458. The same car is still driven in the European Le Mans series, Asian GT championship and European GT Open. As for the Z4 and the SLS, I'm not certain which teams still use the cars.

breyzipp
20-04-2017, 17:55
The cars remain homologated by the FIA, with the exception of the McLaren MP4-12C, for competition in GT3 series (http://www.blancpain-gt-series.com/cars). I know certain teams in the Australian GT championship, still drive the Ferrari 458. The same car is still driven in the European Le Mans series, Asian GT championship and European GT Open. As for the Z4 and the SLS, I'm not certain which teams still use the cars.

The 24h of Dubai in January had 1 SLS GT3 in it (GT3-AM class), no Z4 to be found anymore :
http://resultscdn.getraceresults.com/2017/24H%20Series/Hankook%2024H%20DUBAI%202017/24H%20Series%20-%20Race.pdf

In 2016 still 8 SLS'es so it's for sure on the decline :
http://resultscdn.getraceresults.com/2016/24H%20Series/Hankook%2024H%20DUBAI%202016/24H%20-%20Race.pdf

In 2015 12 SLS and finally found a Z4 again :
http://www.24hseries.com/uploads/files/24hdubai/2015/results/24h-dubai-2015-race.pdf

2014: 5 SLS and 3 Z4 :
http://www.24hseries.com/uploads/files/24hdubai/2014/results/24hdubai2014-race.pdf

Another race, the 24h of Spa: http://www.24hoursofspa.com/nl/results?filter_season_id=1&filter_race_id=275
2016: none of both
2015: 6 SLS, 11 Z4 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_24_Hours_of_Spa)
2014: 7 SLS, 6 Z4

2017 Blancpain endurance in Monza: none of both (http://www.blancpain-gt-series.com/entry-list?filter_meeting_id=77)

It's safe to say both are disappearing rapidly (if not yet gone all-together) from the major GT3 races. Sure some smaller teams might still drive them on a few rare occasions but in general you can safely say that anno 2017 most of them are gone.

F1_Racer68
20-04-2017, 18:21
I totally get it, many players might prefer the newer models. I accept that, and I'll live with that, if we end up not getting those in the game. Nevertheless, calling cars such as the SLS, Z4 or MP4-12C, old or out of fashion, goes beyond the reference "quite a stretch", in my opinion. As I, and many others, have said before, these cars are currently approved, active and incredibly competitive in several championship series around the world, including the main one (Blancplain GT Series).

The thing is, while those older models are still running, they are being run by privateers without any factory support. The factory backed teams will only be running the newest model. Not because that car is better, but because that is the car the manufacturer is now trying to sell.

It's going to be the same mentality in regards to their licensing to video games. Manufacturers sell licenses to their brands to video game makers as part of a larger marketing program. As such they want people to see and recognize and fall in love with their latest models. It's pretty simple business really.

dault3883
21-04-2017, 01:18
But it easily keeps up with everything else.

i dont care if its fast ugly is ugly

Azure Flare
21-04-2017, 01:39
i dont care if its fast ugly is ugly

function > form

hkraft300
21-04-2017, 01:55
function > form

Can't argue with you there.
However, I will race in the game and even own a slower but better looking car lol
Up to a point.

Zpectre87
21-04-2017, 07:17
The thing is, while those older models are still running, they are being run by privateers without any factory support. The factory backed teams will only be running the newest model. Not because that car is better, but because that is the car the manufacturer is now trying to sell.

It's going to be the same mentality in regards to their licensing to video games. Manufacturers sell licenses to their brands to video game makers as part of a larger marketing program. As such they want people to see and recognize and fall in love with their latest models. It's pretty simple business really.

I agree overall, but we have to take into account something very important.

I remember someone telling me that GT3 was basically a mess when it came to regulation, because the only clear requirement is that the cars be based on production examples (which is why the Mosler never competed outside the UK), but this has been relaxed at the organizer's discretion. The first car to break the mold was the Matech Ford GT3, because it used a Ford Cammer engine as opposed to the supercharged V8 from the road car. The Z4 GT3 soon followed, which was even worse, because you can't buy a street Z4 V8 from BMW at all (a company which I like, but admit is quite fond of bending the regs to their will, even more so than others). After them, there were even more of these cars, such as the Sareni/Reiter Camaro and more recently the AMG GT. When you see that the Mosler was outlawed and those purpose racers weren't, you can't help but think everything surrounding GT3 is a complete farce, as is LMGTE/GTLM. The BOP is good for the show but makes everything worse from a technical standpoint, because you can arrive with anything and it will be neutered/helped depending on how fast/slow it is. So it's hard to evaluate if the old cars are really better than the new ones, because there are too many variables affecting performance, many of which completely unrelated to the car's true potential. In other times it was quite possible to compare, not so much now.

Take the new mid-engined 991 RSR for example. The car seems to be a complete dud. You can bet that, come the time of Le Mans, it'll get a huge break in the BOP and do great in the race, like the Aston Martin (a decade old car!) has usually done, which is completely unfair, because, under normal circumstances, this car simply can't win. 3,5L V6 twin turbo will beat naturally aspirated 4,0L flat-6 all day, as will a 3,9L V8 twin turbo, the small block Chevy and the 4,7L V8 in the Aston Martin. The 911 GT3 began competition as an NGT car, and its competitors were mostly Ferraris with similar displacement. After the demise of GT1, Porsche made it their standard GTE car, but the problem was that there were cars (chiefly the Corvette) which were adapted and "demoted" to GTE (which was the former GT2), and Porsche insists on fielding a car which is handicapped from the start, because BOP exists. The current Ford GT is the sort of car you'd see in the former GT1 as well, as it's almost comparable to an MC12, there's no way a 911 GT3 can compete with it, but BOP magic allows it to.


function > form

Which is why I keep failing when trying to like the Lamborghini Veneno. It has neither. :D

dault3883
21-04-2017, 12:07
I agree overall, but we have to take into account something very important.

I remember someone telling me that GT3 was basically a mess when it came to regulation, because the only clear requirement is that the cars be based on production examples (which is why the Mosler never competed outside the UK), but this has been relaxed at the organizer's discretion. The first car to break the mold was the Matech Ford GT3, because it used a Ford Cammer engine as opposed to the supercharged V8 from the road car. The Z4 GT3 soon followed, which was even worse, because you can't buy a street Z4 V8 from BMW at all (a company which I like, but admit is quite fond of bending the regs to their will, even more so than others). After them, there were even more of these cars, such as the Sareni/Reiter Camaro and more recently the AMG GT. When you see that the Mosler was outlawed and those purpose racers weren't, you can't help but think everything surrounding GT3 is a complete farce, as is LMGTE/GTLM. The BOP is good for the show but makes everything worse from a technical standpoint, because you can arrive with anything and it will be neutered/helped depending on how fast/slow it is. So it's hard to evaluate if the old cars are really better than the new ones, because there are too many variables affecting performance, many of which completely unrelated to the car's true potential. In other times it was quite possible to compare, not so much now.

Take the new mid-engined 991 RSR for example. The car seems to be a complete dud. You can bet that, come the time of Le Mans, it'll get a huge break in the BOP and do great in the race, like the Aston Martin (a decade old car!) has usually done, which is completely unfair, because, under normal circumstances, this car simply can't win. 3,5L V6 twin turbo will beat naturally aspirated 4,0L flat-6 all day, as will a 3,9L V8 twin turbo, the small block Chevy and the 4,7L V8 in the Aston Martin. The 911 GT3 began competition as an NGT car, and its competitors were mostly Ferraris with similar displacement. After the demise of GT1, Porsche made it their standard GTE car, but the problem was that there were cars (chiefly the Corvette) which were adapted and "demoted" to GTE (which was the former GT2), and Porsche insists on fielding a car which is handicapped from the start, because BOP exists. The current Ford GT is the sort of car you'd see in the former GT1 as well, as it's almost comparable to an MC12, there's no way a 911 GT3 can compete with it, but BOP magic allows it to.



Which is why I keep failing when trying to like the Lamborghini Veneno. It has neither. :D

Didnt they get rid of gt1 because every one flew the coop except for corvette because they simply couldnt beat corvette?

Zpectre87
21-04-2017, 13:08
Didnt they get rid of gt1 because every one flew the coop except for corvette because they simply couldnt beat corvette?

GT1 has an interesting history. If the ACO didn't clip Ferrari's wings, there would be no Corvette-Aston Martin rivalry at all, because the Maserati MC12 would sweep those years in similar fashion to Audi in LMP1. Alas, the ACO only allowed the MC12 by severely restricting it, so it was contained in FIA GT, where it did dominate against anything other teams threw at it, be it Corvette, Aston Martin, Lamborghini, Saleen, and other cars.

The interesting part is that the Saleen S7 was a supercar in similar vein to the MC12 itself, but never had any trouble gaining entry into Le Mans, presumably because it didn't have manufacturer backing. It ended up winning Le Mans in the last year of GT1.

It's funny that the F50 never saw racing duty despite Ferrari building fully functional units of the F50 GT, but the Enzo Ferrari ended up being raced with a Maserati shell. :D 288 GTO was intended to race as well, but the car that was actually used in competition was the F40, which wasn't initially going to be raced.

dault3883
21-04-2017, 13:19
GT1 has an interesting history. If the ACO didn't clip Ferrari's wings, there would be no Corvette-Aston Martin rivalry at all, because the Maserati MC12 would sweep those years in similar fashion to Audi in LMP1. Alas, the ACO only allowed the MC12 by severely restricting it, so it was contained in FIA GT, where it did dominate against anything other teams threw at it, be it Corvette, Aston Martin, Lamborghini, Saleen, and other cars.

The interesting part is that the Saleen S7 was a supercar in similar vein to the MC12 itself, but never had any trouble gaining entry into Le Mans, presumably because it didn't have manufacturer backing. It ended up winning Le Mans in the last year of GT1.

It's funny that the F50 never saw racing duty despite Ferrari building fully functional units of the F50 GT, but the Enzo Ferrari ended up being raced with a Maserati shell. :D 288 GTO was intended to race as well, but the car that was actually used in competition was the F40, which wasn't initially going to be raced.

Where and when did Ferrari race the 575 GTC237475

RomKnight
21-04-2017, 13:19
The mosler mt900 IIRC actually runs on dutch super gt challenge for years now. It usually breaks a few times during the champioship too IIRC :D

snipeme77
21-04-2017, 14:23
I'm hoping for a TVR of somesort so I can consistently run half length races...

hkraft300
21-04-2017, 14:25
Where and when did Ferrari race the 575 GTC237475

The 550/575 GT1 cars weren't Ferrari backed.
They were privateer jobs. ProDrive built the race winning cars.

dault3883
21-04-2017, 14:41
The 550/575 GT1 cars weren't Ferrari backed.
They were privateer jobs. ProDrive built the race winning cars.

so they raced GT1 though i dont care if they were ferrari backed or not thats my favorite ferrari ever

hkraft300
21-04-2017, 14:45
so they raced GT1 though i dont care if they were ferrari backed or not thats my favorite ferrari ever

Yes they did.
Yes, they're awesome.

dault3883
21-04-2017, 14:51
Yes they did.
Yes, they're awesome.

there not just awesome there sexy as hell

joelsantos24
21-04-2017, 15:59
The 24h of Dubai in January had 1 SLS GT3 in it (GT3-AM class), no Z4 to be found anymore :
http://resultscdn.getraceresults.com/2017/24H%20Series/Hankook%2024H%20DUBAI%202017/24H%20Series%20-%20Race.pdf

In 2016 still 8 SLS'es so it's for sure on the decline :
http://resultscdn.getraceresults.com/2016/24H%20Series/Hankook%2024H%20DUBAI%202016/24H%20-%20Race.pdf

In 2015 12 SLS and finally found a Z4 again :
http://www.24hseries.com/uploads/files/24hdubai/2015/results/24h-dubai-2015-race.pdf

2014: 5 SLS and 3 Z4 :
http://www.24hseries.com/uploads/files/24hdubai/2014/results/24hdubai2014-race.pdf

Another race, the 24h of Spa: http://www.24hoursofspa.com/nl/results?filter_season_id=1&filter_race_id=275
2016: none of both
2015: 6 SLS, 11 Z4 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_24_Hours_of_Spa)
2014: 7 SLS, 6 Z4

2017 Blancpain endurance in Monza: none of both (http://www.blancpain-gt-series.com/entry-list?filter_meeting_id=77)

It's safe to say both are disappearing rapidly (if not yet gone all-together) from the major GT3 races. Sure some smaller teams might still drive them on a few rare occasions but in general you can safely say that anno 2017 most of them are gone.
Yeah, while the 458 is still used here and there, the SLS and Z4 are seldom being driven, no doubt. Can't argue with the facts. :p


The thing is, while those older models are still running, they are being run by privateers without any factory support. The factory backed teams will only be running the newest model. Not because that car is better, but because that is the car the manufacturer is now trying to sell.

It's going to be the same mentality in regards to their licensing to video games. Manufacturers sell licenses to their brands to video game makers as part of a larger marketing program. As such they want people to see and recognize and fall in love with their latest models. It's pretty simple business really.
I totally agree with you. The thing is, as I said before, I just personally hope these older cars end up being included.

dault3883
21-04-2017, 16:06
Yeah, while the 458 is still used here and there, the SLS and Z4 are seldom being driven, no doubt. Can't argue with the facts. :p


I totally agree with you. The thing is, as I said before, I just personally hope these older cars end up being included.

wats absolutely depressing is to think of what happens to these racecars when they are no longer needed for any thing:eek:

joelsantos24
21-04-2017, 16:21
wats absolutely depressing is to think of what happens to these racecars when they are no longer needed for any thing:eek:
They're recycled, I suppose.

dault3883
21-04-2017, 16:39
They're recycled, I suppose.

you mean crushed thats devastating id rather see them being run at track days by indeviduals

breyzipp
21-04-2017, 16:47
I think EOL racecars just end up being sold to collectors or individuals. Or indeed being stripped for parts if that would outweigh the income of selling it.

dault3883
21-04-2017, 16:50
I think EOL racecars just end up being sold to collectors or individuals. Or indeed being stripped for parts if that would outweigh the income of selling it.

EOL? what does that stand for

gregc
21-04-2017, 17:00
EOL? what does that stand for

End of Life

F1_Racer68
21-04-2017, 18:36
I think EOL racecars just end up being sold to collectors or individuals. Or indeed being stripped for parts if that would outweigh the income of selling it.

Most get sold to collectors. Once they are no longer eligible for competition in "current" series' they are eligible to race in historics events. The mid-2000's Ford GTs for example are currently being raced in such series' and even some of the first and second generation MX-5s (Miatas) are now eligible for these types of events.