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fra z
11-03-2017, 17:41
Hi,

I wasn't sure whether this should be posted here or in the technical help forum - I'm building a system to game on, I don't consider myself a hardcore gamer but this is a game I'd like to play.

I've seen some races on Youtube for Project Cars - GT3 races etc.... This is Project cars and not Project Cars 2? - Is this correct.

OK - I've bought a GPU quite a good one - nVidia 1060 GTX FTW+ 6 GB GDDR5

I'm planning on 1920 x 1080 Acer Predator 144 Hz refresh rate Gsync monitor - Maybe even having two or heaven forbid 3 monitors - Not sure

CPU will either be 4790k / Z97 1150 or 5820k / X99 / 2011-3

This is my first gaming system that I am building so am unsure need great advice - nVidia cards can be connected together in series / SLi

Will 1060 GTX be enough - ?

What are the typical setups used that I see on Youtube with the likes of Yorkie / F1 Masa / etc..... super smooth game play -

Thanks in advance lets get this sorted

Roger Prynne
11-03-2017, 18:08
Moved it here as you might get a better response.

fra z
12-03-2017, 06:50
OK

How much of a gain is there between GTX 1060 & GTX 1070

I'll be using 1920 x 1080 - There are differences of opinions - As this is the "official forum" this is the place to ask - Thanks

Would adding a 2nd GPU card make a big difference to the frames per second? - so using 2 x GTX 1060 instead of 1

I did find something in a sticky at the top of the forum that suggested SLI mode is not working - Is this something that is likely to change?

Some people have mentioned Project Cars is not well optimized - It'd be good to hear from people who have played the game online and raced with others - Thanks

It would be good to hear from others if they are using Gsync monitors as well

Mad Al
12-03-2017, 09:34
2 X 1060 is a non starter as they don't support SLI in hardware (something that uses the multi GPU feature of DX12 is a different matter, but they are few and far between)

Basically, buy the fastest single card you can afford (1080s have had a major price drop due to the 1080Ti coming out, but that hasn't made a lot of difference to the 1070).. 2x1060 shouldn't be a lot different price wise to a single 1080 now..

fra z
12-03-2017, 09:56
Hi,

Will SLI be supported any time soon?

I'm new to this game - Not even bought it yet - But I'm building a system

So you say there is a multi GPU feature in DX12 that is used in Project Cars - There is Project Cars 2 as well - Is 2 the same as 1 but with more features?

I've just got myself a GTX 1060 but was wandering if 1070 is a lot better? - I can return it and upgrade if need be - But if 2 x 1060's could be used in future I can get another 1060

How many more FPS is achieved with 2 x GPU

I've seen league racing on Youtube - Is this Project Cars or Project Cars 2 - Any info - I'd like to play at some point - That's why I'm here!

Roger Prynne
12-03-2017, 11:23
pCars2 is still in heavy development.......

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?32673-(FAQ)-PCars2-quot-For-Dummies-quot

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/forumdisplay.php?142-General-Discussion

Mad Al
12-03-2017, 11:58
Hi,

Will SLI be supported any time soon?

I'm new to this game - Not even bought it yet - But I'm building a system

So you say there is a multi GPU feature in DX12 that is used in Project Cars - There is Project Cars 2 as well - Is 2 the same as 1 but with more features?

I've just got myself a GTX 1060 but was wandering if 1070 is a lot better? - I can return it and upgrade if need be - But if 2 x 1060's could be used in future I can get another 1060

How many more FPS is achieved with 2 x GPU

I've seen league racing on Youtube - Is this Project Cars or Project Cars 2 - Any info - I'd like to play at some point - That's why I'm here!

No, I said there are a very small number of DX12 games that allow for multi GPU without SLI (in fact it should allow you to mix make as well as model of GPUs).
The games have to be using DX12, they have to be written to allow DX12 Multi GPU and they have to have appropriate driver support...
PCars and PCars 2 are NOT DX12 (SLI and Crossfire ARE supported and will continue to be), DX12 multi GPU will NOT work in non DX12 games.

The 1060 was designed without the SLI bridge, so does not support traditional SLI under most game (so 2 wouldn't work together with any current SLI enabled games, including PCars 1)

As I said, stop worrying about SLI and just go with the fastest single card

http://www.techspot.com/article/1137-directx-12-multi-gpu-geforce-radeon/

fra z
12-03-2017, 12:13
Thanks for the replies

The cards are quite pricey - I thought the GTX 1060 would run the game easily - I think it'll be OK but GTX 1070 would be slightly better - From looking at Youtube videos with FPS counts there wan't much difference between 1070 and 1080

There was a difference of 5-10 fps between 1060 and 1070

I did read about the SLI so I'm aware of that - I've got a GTX 1060 just arrived - But could change it for a 1070 which would cost an extra 100 - As I've not played the game I can't comment so I can only comment on what I've seen on Youtube

Is there much difference between 1060 / 1070 / 1080 actually playing the game? - I would use G sync as well - Any helpful info appreciated and like mentioned I could return my 1060 to upgrade to 1070 / 1080 but I'd like to know what other users think because they may have used both

Mad Al
12-03-2017, 13:07
Thanks for the replies

The cards are quite pricey - I thought the GTX 1060 would run the game easily - I think it'll be OK but GTX 1070 would be slightly better - From looking at Youtube videos with FPS counts there wan't much difference between 1070 and 1080

There was a difference of 5-10 fps between 1060 and 1070

I did read about the SLI so I'm aware of that - I've got a GTX 1060 just arrived - But could change it for a 1070 which would cost an extra 100 - As I've not played the game I can't comment so I can only comment on what I've seen on Youtube

Is there much difference between 1060 / 1070 / 1080 actually playing the game? - I would use G sync as well - Any helpful info appreciated and like mentioned I could return my 1060 to upgrade to 1070 / 1080 but I'd like to know what other users think because they may have used both

Yes for a single screen the 1060 runs fine... I run a 1920x1200 screen and can basically run a full field of AI at LeMans in a thunder storm without dropping too much FPS wise.. then again I don't turn all the settings to max and expect 200 FPS from that card.. it's all about expectations and keeping within what your PC can cope with (or expect to watch a slideshow).. F.Y.I, I can actually run the same field on my 750Ti, just at low settings and still it's playable.

Card prices..
1060 (6 gig) from around 225-300
1070 from around 370 to 575
1080 from 465 to 600+ (which is 100-150 lower than a week ago thanks to the 1080Ti release)

In theory the 1080 has twice the grunt of the 1060 (6G) - but that doesn't translate always to twice the FPS, but it does give you more options, like higher settings in poor weather or going VR, which is another non starter with SLi at the moment.... again, possible in theory, not so much in practice at the moment. (the 1060 should do VR OK.. but I haven't tried it on mine, but it works OK on my 980.. although I'm actually about to upgrade that)



Personally I've never bothered with SLi , I've preferred the faster single card route and then update every couple or three years (expensive hobby)

fra z
12-03-2017, 14:26
Well SLI is out for me due to 1060 not supporting it so it's not an option

So you have an 1060, 980 and 650

fra z
12-03-2017, 14:33
Also saw on Youtube videos that the 1080 runs 10 degrees C hotter than 1060 - more dsp [cuda] or what ever the chips are called

If a crazy powered CPU was used like Xeon / 6950 X would this have any bearing on running higher settings over say a very good but by comparsion lesser i7 4790k.

Is the single core performance really important? - So over clocking +20% [with appropriate cooling of course]

Would a big bump in system RAM really help too - EG - 16 GB / 32 GB - Would any of this bump GPU performance?

Please clarify - By VR - you mean virtual reality - eg - headset / goggles/?

Mad Al
12-03-2017, 15:26
Well SLI is out for me due to 1060 not supporting it so it's not an option

So you have an 1060, 980 and 650

See my signature.. 1060 (6G), 980 and a 750Ti.. with various 4th gen Intel processors



Temps.... basically most GPUs now have decent thermal throttles and are either set to go to a specific temperature then throttle to hold it, or a specific power level and hold it (or a combination of the two)

If I stick the fans at 100% on the 1060 and run something like the Unigine Valley benchmark.. it stays under 60C.. but it is rather loud... (left on auto the fan goes to about 57% and the temps stay around 73C, so still below the limit.. so it never throttles due to temperature)


CPU vs GPU performance.. swings and roundabouts.. in some games single thread performance is all, in others not so much... games should be moving towards more multithreaded performance... but plenty will still favour speed over threads. There are some interesting reviews of the new AMD Ryzen showing some interesting gaming benchmarks.. which do show just how all over the place things can be as far a speed vs threads goes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoEcgfbhwTs

fra z
12-03-2017, 16:22
Ah yes I see your signature with the 3 machines - I see an H81!!! - And a 4790T - Low TDP / base frquency

OK Mad Al have you raced online with Project Cars - with your 1060 - I found AOR - Apex Online Racing - People racing together in teams and having full seasons and commentary - It's quite hilarious but very cool!

You may know this but [maybe not] I just read that GTX 1070 & GTX 1080 are SLI compatible but download codes are needed from nVidia or who ever.

Mad Al
12-03-2017, 20:27
Ah yes I see your signature with the 3 machines - I see an H81!!! - And a 4790T - Low TDP / base frquency

OK Mad Al have you raced online with Project Cars - with your 1060 - I found AOR - Apex Online Racing - People racing together in teams and having full seasons and commentary - It's quite hilarious but very cool!

You may know this but [maybe not] I just read that GTX 1070 & GTX 1080 are SLI compatible but download codes are needed from nVidia or who ever.

Most of my online was during dev, I hardly ever bother otherwise.. (couple of random drop in races shortly after launch.. with a gamepad!)
There are plenty of organised leagues, some take themselves way too seriously, some are much more laid back.. I'm definitely not the type who takes this all too seriously, I play games to relax, not get wound up..