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Stewy32
23-03-2017, 20:00
Hi guys, what do you think of LMP in Pcars 2? For the modern classes I am going to guess Audi, Porsche, Toyota, Nissan, Aston Martin, RWD, Marek, ORECA, Rebellion, Ginetta, Radical, Alpine, Mazda, Cadillac, Caterham, Palmer-Jaguar. And I am gonna go bold:
Official game of the FIA World Endurance Championship.

What do you think?

Cholton82
23-03-2017, 20:16
I wish that would be true !

doodleco
24-03-2017, 15:35
Stop talking about it and take my money!!!

Azure Flare
24-03-2017, 16:53
Hi guys, what do you think of LMP in Pcars 2?

Only us beta testers can answer that question.

Scuderia Paul
24-03-2017, 20:44
An official WEC title would be amazing news.

Azure Flare
24-03-2017, 21:01
An official WEC title would be amazing news.

How devastated would you be if your bubble had burst?

bradleyland
24-03-2017, 21:19
Only us beta testers can answer that question.

Technically, incorrect. Beta testers know what LMP cars are in the beta, but they cannot answer the question because of the non-disclosure they agreed to in order to be part of the beta program ;)

Azure Flare
25-03-2017, 05:09
Technically, incorrect. Beta testers know what LMP cars are in the beta, but they cannot answer the question because of the non-disclosure they agreed to in order to be part of the beta program ;)

The quote was "what do you think of LMP in Pcars 2", which technically only beta testers can answer.

Scuderia Paul
25-03-2017, 08:06
How devastated would you be if your bubble had burst?
I wouldn't be devastated as I am not expecting WEC licencing.

hkraft300
25-03-2017, 14:04
So far confirmed are the Ginetta G57 (in possibly LMP2*+3 specs), Nissan GTP-ZX and Jag XJR12.
Seems there will be LMP3 class and an LMP2 class which is exciting news, so you can safely assume there's be a few more than just Ginetta. Also speculation more RWD/Marek cars (plus some) on the way to fill those classes. All in the confirmed cars thread.

*G57 didn't cut it for ACO LMP2 but I'm sure it qualifies for imsa, and Ginetta announced all their cars will be in the game.

More IMSA GTP/Gr C cars than the 2 confirmed? Yes please.

honespc
27-03-2017, 12:26
The quote was "what do you think of LMP in Pcars 2", which technically only beta testers can answer.you should have added the irony tag to your first post

Azure Flare
27-03-2017, 16:52
you should have added the irony tag to your first post

For what?

bradleyland
27-03-2017, 17:35
The quote was "what do you think of LMP in Pcars 2", which technically only beta testers can answer.

Are you a beta tester?

If so, tell us what you think of the LMP cars in pCARS2.

RacingAtHome
28-03-2017, 00:17
Are you a beta tester?

If so, tell us what you think of the LMP cars in pCARS2.

Erm. NDAs exist...

hkraft300
28-03-2017, 01:00
Erm. NDAs exist...

Can still express opinions without being specific, and there's nothing stopping them spilling the beans on the Ginetta LMP3, no?
:D :D

RacingAtHome
28-03-2017, 01:54
Can still express opinions without being specific, and there's nothing stopping them spilling the beans on the Ginetta LMP3, no?
:D :D

We don't get anything out of the opinion then. That way it's not fun! (For us) :o

Azure Flare
28-03-2017, 02:11
Can still express opinions without being specific, and there's nothing stopping them spilling the beans on the Ginetta LMP3, no?
:D :D

Being banned from the WMD forum, having my Steam key revoked, and the possibility of my perks also being taken away keeps me from saying too much.

hkraft300
28-03-2017, 02:14
Being banned from the WMD forum, having my Steam key revoked, and the possibility of my perks also being taken away keeps me from saying too much.

But they've already revealed the Ginetta P3 :D

Azure Flare
28-03-2017, 03:39
But they've already revealed the Ginetta P3 :D

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/aa/25/c0/aa25c0ecac64e91ce23f4a346c5a9b40.gif

hkraft300
28-03-2017, 07:08
Just digging for goss ;)

Konan
29-03-2017, 19:43
Just digging for goss ;)

Keep digging mate...maybe i'll meet you in my back yard...if you dig deep enough that is...:p

dault3883
17-04-2017, 15:20
i would like to see the Corvette daytona prototypes in it too but definately the new cadillac prototypes

joelsantos24
17-04-2017, 16:01
Hi guys, what do you think of LMP in Pcars 2? For the modern classes I am going to guess Audi, Porsche, Toyota, Nissan, Aston Martin, RWD, Marek, ORECA, Rebellion, Ginetta, Radical, Alpine, Mazda, Cadillac, Caterham, Palmer-Jaguar. And I am gonna go bold:
Official game of the FIA World Endurance Championship.

What do you think?
I'm curious about the LMP1 class, definitely, especially given the fact that Audi is officially out of the WEC. So, will SMS keep both the R18 TDI and e-tron quattro cars? With Porsche already confirmed in the game, and the likely appearance of the 919 Hybrid, if they can also keep the Toyota TS040 Hybrid, we might have the WEC LMP lineup of last season, which would be awesome.

I'm also a big fan of the original Marek and RWD LMP cars. It'd be awesome if these could also be developed and improved.

dault3883
17-04-2017, 16:22
I'm curious about the LMP1 class, definitely, especially given the fact that Audi is officially out of the WEC. So, will SMS keep both the R18 TDI and e-tron quattro cars? With Porsche already confirmed in the game, and the likely appearance of the 919 Hybrid, if they can also keep the Toyota TS040 Hybrid, we might have the WEC LMP lineup of last season, which would be awesome.

I'm also a big fan of the original Marek and RWD LMP cars. It'd be awesome if these could also be developed and improved.

i really hope they keep the Audi Prototypes in there id like to see the old Audi R10's and R15+'s too the last of the audi open cockpit cars would love to see some ligier and other lmp2 class prototypes too

joelsantos24
17-04-2017, 16:42
i really hope they keep the Audi Prototypes in there id like to see the old Audi R10's and R15+'s too the last of the audi open cockpit cars would love to see some ligier and other lmp2 class prototypes too
if they can keep the Audi R18's and the Toyota TS040, adding the Porsche 919 Hybrid will really improve the lineup. Obviously, we have to include the Aston Martin DBR1-2, the Marek RP 339H and the RWD P30 in that list. That makes for a very strong LMP1 lineup.

As for the LMP2 lineup, it could be improved with the addition of a couple of new cars, granted.

On the other hand, I've always thought that the Group C prototype list was too short. We already know that the amazing Jaguar XJR-9 is in the game, so, I'd say we're only missing the beautiful Mazda 787B, one or two Nissans (such as the R89C or the R92CP) and maybe even one or two Toyotas (such as the TS020 or the 88C-V). This Group C lineup would be amazing.

dault3883
17-04-2017, 16:55
if they can keep the Audi R18's and the Toyota TS040, adding the Porsche 919 Hybrid will really improve the lineup. Obviously, we have to include the Aston Martin DBR1-2, the Marek RP 339H and the RWD P30 in that list. That makes for a very strong LMP1 lineup.

As for the LMP2 lineup, it could be improved with the addition of a couple of new cars, granted.

On the other hand, I've always thought that the Group C prototype list was too short. We already know that the amazing Jaguar XJR-9 is in the game, so, I'd say we're only missing the beautiful Mazda 787B, one or two Nissans (such as the R89C or the R92CP) and maybe even one or two Toyotas (such as the TS020 or the 88C-V). This Group C lineup would be amazing.

agreed but those audi open cockpits are legendary hope they keep the audi R8 prototypes in it to the most famous of all audi prototypes

joelsantos24
17-04-2017, 17:21
agreed but those audi open cockpits are legendary hope they keep the audi R8 prototypes in it to the most famous of all audi prototypes
The LMP900 lineup could also be improved, I agree. Assuming we'll get the BMW Williams LMR and the Audi R8 back in the game, they could also add the Audi R10 TDI and the beautiful Aston Martin AMR-One.

dault3883
17-04-2017, 17:26
The LMP900 lineup could also be improved, I agree. Assuming we'll get the BMW Williams LMR and the Audi R8 back in the game, they could also add the Audi R10 TDI and the beautiful Aston Martin AMR-One.

hopefully they keep the bentley too

joelsantos24
18-04-2017, 08:54
hopefully they keep the bentley too
The Bentley Speed 8? I totally forgot about it. To be exact, it's an LMGTP car, not an LMP900, but they raced together, nonetheless.

hkraft300
18-04-2017, 09:10
The Bentley Speed 8? I totally forgot about it. To be exact, it's an LMGTP car, not an LMP900, but they raced together, nonetheless.

It's got the GT1 tyres in the current game. Super close between it and the Audi R8.
Looking forward to what they'll bring to pc2 in these older LMP/GTP classes. Pescarolo/Courage, anyone?

joelsantos24
18-04-2017, 09:19
It's got the GT1 tyres in the current game. Super close between it and the Audi R8.
Looking forward to what they'll bring to pc2 in these older LMP/GTP classes. Pescarolo/Courage, anyone?
That's my thought, exactly. Talking about the Pescarolo and Courage, we're also missing the Peugeot LMP's, like the amazing (Le Mans winner) 905 or even the 908 HDI FAP.

RomKnight
18-04-2017, 11:03
From 2007 to 2010 Pedro Lamy raced with the 908 so I'd vote for this one obviously :D

hkraft300
18-04-2017, 12:20
Those Peugeot's were beasts.
Sauber C9 has some friends to race with now (Nissan and Jag). I'm also looking forward to the LMP3 and LMP2 stuff. The new LMP3 will be about on pace with the current game LMP2, and the new LMP2 stuff will be LMP900 pace! Personally think they make better racing at the hands of us mere mortals.

joelsantos24
18-04-2017, 12:44
Those Peugeot's were beasts.
Sauber C9 has some friends to race with now (Nissan and Jag). I'm also looking forward to the LMP3 and LMP2 stuff. The new LMP3 will be about on pace with the current game LMP2, and the new LMP2 stuff will be LMP900 pace! Personally think they make better racing at the hands of us mere mortals.
The Nissan GTP ZX-Turbo is a Group C car? I can't remember. I honestly didn't remember about this car, until SMS revealed it. As I recall, the most popular Nissan LMP's are the R89C and the R92CP. I remember driving those in GT5, and they were absolute beasts.

I know that the Group C lineup looks awesome, right now, but it's definitely incomplete without the Mazda 787B and, at least, one Porsche model (like the 956 or the 962).

hkraft300
18-04-2017, 13:24
The Nissan ZX-T was IMSA GTP. IMSA GTP were close enough to Group C. I'll race them together though when pc2 is out :)

breyzipp
18-04-2017, 14:00
The Nissan ZX-T was IMSA GTP. IMSA GTP were close enough to Group C. I'll race them together though when pc2 is out :)

Indeed, IMSA GTP and Group C1 were so close together that several prototype racing series allowed both classes under the same category. I assume for PC2 they will race together as well.

Zpectre87
18-04-2017, 15:56
That's my thought, exactly. Talking about the Pescarolo and Courage, we're also missing the Peugeot LMP's, like the amazing (Le Mans winner) 905 or even the 908 HDI FAP.

People tend to overlook the 908 HDI FAP but it was still a Le Mans winner, took them a while to beat Audi but they eventually did it. And, when it didn't break, it was usually faster.

dault3883
19-04-2017, 00:14
That's my thought, exactly. Talking about the Pescarolo and Courage, we're also missing the Peugeot LMP's, like the amazing (Le Mans winner) 905 or even the 908 HDI FAP.

would definately like to see the Peugeot 908 just so i could race against it in an audi and get that nostalgic feel of the Audi vs Peugeot rivalry

Cheesenium
19-04-2017, 06:11
Would love to see Peugeot license in pcars 2 as I think Peugeot is a brand that could offer a lot for the game. They have quite a decent amount of race cars and road cars for pcars 2.

Olijke Poffer
19-04-2017, 11:47
Probably a stupid question in a LMP topic but why do you all like the LMP that much? I think I must drive it more often myself to understand. Did only a couple of races..

honespc
19-04-2017, 12:08
Probably a stupid question in a LMP topic but why do you all like the LMP that much?what's your favourite class?

breyzipp
19-04-2017, 12:27
Probably a stupid question in a LMP topic but why do you all like the LMP that much? I think I must drive it more often myself to understand. Did only a couple of races..

Because:
- The 24h of Le Mans is my favourite race each year.
- The fastest speed and best handling for a closed cockpit car (newer LMPs)
- The noise (older prototypes like group C)
- The looks of the cars
- The reputation of those cars

dault3883
19-04-2017, 13:42
Because:
- The 24h of Le Mans is my favourite race each year.
- The fastest speed and best handling for a closed cockpit car (newer LMPs)
- The noise (older prototypes like group C)
- The looks of the cars
- The reputation of those cars

im with you there its got to be because of lemans its the BEST RACE IN THE WORLD in my opinion

Cheesenium
19-04-2017, 14:08
Probably a stupid question in a LMP topic but why do you all like the LMP that much? I think I must drive it more often myself to understand. Did only a couple of races..

Because they are fun to drive. They felt like a land bound jet than a car due to it's superior aero and powerful engines. Unlike formula 1/A that keep wheel locks all the time which really annoys me some times.

RomKnight
19-04-2017, 14:16
Because:
- The 24h of Le Mans is my favourite race each year.
- The fastest speed and best handling for a closed cockpit car (newer LMPs)
- The noise (older prototypes like group C)
- The looks of the cars
- The reputation of those cars

You forgot to mention that it always has been a very competitive class :)

Zpectre87
19-04-2017, 15:38
Probably a stupid question in a LMP topic but why do you all like the LMP that much? I think I must drive it more often myself to understand. Did only a couple of races..

Le Mans is still the greatest "old school" race in the world.

Unfortunately, much of its charm was lost in recent years. Sadly, I didn't live the Group C years and was too young to enjoy the GT1 years (though old enough to regard those cars as "my" cars, the same way people a decade older regard the Group C cars). Late 2000s endurance was great as well but I didn't care too much about it because I was busy with other things and couldn't watch most of the races anyway.

Olijke Poffer
19-04-2017, 16:21
what's your favourite class?

Thanks to you all. Will try to do some races with the lmp..

My favorite class is probably the GT3.

honespc
19-04-2017, 16:39
My favorite class is probably the GT3.and why do you like gt3 that much?

Olijke Poffer
19-04-2017, 18:24
Hard to say exactly why but those cars just feel great while driving around a track. The sound of the most engines. The behaviour on the road.. perhaps they are not that hard to drive. I use assist set to real. And rest all off.
It is just a feeling. Probably the same feeling as those who love to drive the LMP cars.. ;)

bradleyland
19-04-2017, 18:44
Erm. NDAs exist...

My point was that not even beta testers "can answer" that question. The NDA prevents them from doing so ;) Basically, no one can answer the question right now, because everything is under embargo.

joelsantos24
19-04-2017, 19:09
The Nissan ZX-T was IMSA GTP. IMSA GTP were close enough to Group C. I'll race them together though when pc2 is out :)
I honestly didn't remember about it. The Group C lineup looks really strong, so I'd say we're just missing the Mazda 787B and, at least, one Porsche, for it to be perfect.


People tend to overlook the 908 HDI FAP but it was still a Le Mans winner, took them a while to beat Audi but they eventually did it. And, when it didn't break, it was usually faster.
I also didn't remember. I knew the 905 won it, but I didn't remember about the 908 win.


Probably a stupid question in a LMP topic but why do you all like the LMP that much? I think I must drive it more often myself to understand. Did only a couple of races..
They're basically the most sophisticated cars on the planet. They're capable of reaching amazing speeds and still have tremendous downforce. It's a thrill to drive a prototype.

KANETAKER
11-05-2017, 01:44
I also didn't remember. I knew the 905 won it, but I didn't remember about the 908 win.

The Peugeot 908 HDI Fap win at Lemans in 2009. But the Peugeot 908 model 2011 is the last version of Peugeot LMP1 car, faster and better sound (more loudness), the perfect rival of the Audi R18 TDI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO6tRAigC3M&t

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8JCh9WbnXk&t

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZYxASTvTrQ

My perfect list of LMP1 cars of the last 10 years for PC2 (a wish):

- AUDI R15 TDI Plus 2010
- AUDI R18 TDI 2011
- AUDI R18 e-Tron Quattro 2016

- Porsche 919 Hybrid 2015
- Porsche 919 Hybrid 2017

- Toyota TS030 2013
- Toyota TS050 Hybrid 2017

- Peugeot 908 HDI Fap 2010 (team Oreca)
- Peugeot 908 2011

- Aston Martin DBR1-2 2009

- Lola B12/60-Toyota 2013 (Rebellion Racing)

steviraikkonen
11-05-2017, 15:38
Open cockpit prototypes are my favourite hope they get more. but I love them all really.

Azure Flare
12-05-2017, 23:18
But the Peugeot 908 model 2011 is the last version of Peugeot LMP1 car, faster and better sound (more loudness), the perfect rival of the Audi R18 TDI.

6 years later, and I still think it sounds like ass.

ELAhrairah
15-05-2017, 15:31
Probably a stupid question in a LMP topic but why do you all like the LMP that much? I think I must drive it more often myself to understand. Did only a couple of races..

To understand the love for LMP you must understand the love for Le Mans. ( het is meer dan alleen het racegevoel)

ELAhrairah
15-05-2017, 15:33
If you ask me every single prototype and gte pro car of 2017 must be included. Also all winners in their class should have their historic cars included. Yes this is a very big wish but my fellow lmp and le mans wec friends : we must aim high and make our voices heared or it will be only open wheel and gt3 that we will see ingame.

I hope you are reading this wookie!

hkraft300
15-05-2017, 21:35
If you ask me every single prototype and gte pro car of 2017 must be included. Also all winners in their class should have their historic cars included. Yes this is a very big wish but my fellow lmp and le mans wec friends : we must aim high and make our voices heared or it will be only open wheel and gt3 that we will see ingame.

I hope you are reading this wookie!

Lol
Because your daddy is paying for and making available the licenses for SMS to build all those hundreds of cars? :applause:

RacingAtHome
15-05-2017, 23:14
If you ask me every single prototype and gte pro car of 2017 must be included. Also all winners in their class should have their historic cars included. Yes this is a very big wish but my fellow lmp and le mans wec friends : we must aim high and make our voices heared or it will be only open wheel and gt3 that we will see ingame.

I hope you are reading this wookie!

Haha. I love your optimism.

Azure Flare
16-05-2017, 00:19
If you ask me every single prototype and gte pro car of 2017 must be included. Also all winners in their class should have their historic cars included. Yes this is a very big wish but my fellow lmp and le mans wec friends : we must aim high and make our voices heared or it will be only open wheel and gt3 that we will see ingame.

I hope you are reading this wookie!

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IIOF4tu0LdU/maxresdefault.jpg

Even this one?

hkraft300
16-05-2017, 01:03
Isn't that one of the LMP1L cars regularly getting beat by LMP2? :p

ELAhrairah
16-05-2017, 01:13
Lol
Because your daddy is paying for and making available the licenses for SMS to build all those hundreds of cars? :applause:



Lol
Because your daddy is paying for and making available the licenses for SMS to build all those hundreds of cars? :applause:

You do know that the lmp1 and 2 exists mainly out of 6 manufacturers of chassis right?
And that the gte class has 5 right?
So 11 chassis is needed to complete the wec entry list.
Is that so difficult?
Pcars 1 has at least two thirds of those chassis.
I hope for a complete list in pcars 2.

ELAhrairah
16-05-2017, 01:18
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IIOF4tu0LdU/maxresdefault.jpg

Even this one?

Thats the bykolles P1/01 with Nissan engine this year (wonder how that engine will hold) at le mans. Yeah why not it makes a good filling ;)

ELAhrairah
16-05-2017, 01:24
I hope this sexy babe is included

237763

Azure Flare
16-05-2017, 02:10
I think there is a better chance of seeing Audi's 2017 R18 than seeing every single in WEC or IMSA in PCars 2.

Zpectre87
16-05-2017, 03:24
In communities of older sims people tend to push for making the grid fillers as well, but that's because people were spoiled back when licensing was easier. GTR2 for example has all of the FIA GT cars from 2003 and 2004 seasons and the engine allowed for changing cars mid-season. It was more immersive but, without a full license of everything, it becomes a bit pointless. Esports have grown in popularity as well and backmarker cars won't see any use in online competition, however interesting they are.

Cheesenium
16-05-2017, 05:08
Esports have grown in popularity as well and backmarker cars won't see any use in online competition, however interesting they are.

Esports isn't everything. If it is such a big deal, then, why include multiple cars to begin with?

breyzipp
16-05-2017, 06:13
I hope this sexy babe is included

237763

I agree! <3

seb02
16-05-2017, 06:42
Lol
Because your daddy is paying for and making available the licenses for SMS to build all those hundreds of cars? :applause:

I think that the community can do without these kinds of responses not at all constructive and even pretentious.

Personally, I prefer this answer from RacingAthome : "Haha. I love your optimism. "

hkraft300
16-05-2017, 10:32
You do know that the lmp1 and 2 exists mainly out of 6 manufacturers of chassis right?
And that the gte class has 5 right?
So 11 chassis is needed to complete the wec entry list.
Is that so difficult?



If you ask me every single prototype and gte pro car of 2017 must be included. Also all winners in their class should have their historic cars included...

Only 11 chassis, is it? :p


I think that the community can do without these kinds of responses not at all constructive and even pretentious.

I know.
Couldn't resist. :o

ELAhrairah
16-05-2017, 12:49
Only 11 chassis, is it?

11 for WEC season. The rest is a bonus if you ask me.

ELAhrairah
16-05-2017, 13:09
So just talking about the WEC field we have confirmed:


GT(E)
2012 Aston Martin Vantage GTE
2016 Porsche 911 GT3 ( Just use it as GTE)
Corvette c7r
Ford gt lm gte
Ferrari 488 gt3 (just use it as GTE)

LMP2
???
(I hope at least one 2016/2017 chassis, oreca, alpine or dallara/Ligier)

LMP1
???!
(I hope at least toyota ts050 and the Porsche 919, model 2016 or 2017, for me both are ok)


TRACKS

WEC 2017 track list:

Silverstone circuit: confirmed
Spa Francorchamps:confirmed
La Sarthe:confirmed
Nurburgring:confirmed
Autodromo HR:
Americas:confirmed
Fuji S.:confirmed
Shanghai:
Bahrein:


Only the developers know if we are getting all circuits and manufacturers but if they just add the 2 main manufacturers and 2 or maybe just 1 LMP2 chassis we can (almost) simulate an entire WEC season and a real le mans field!(and an extra bonus is that with a little help from the modding community we can even get all real 2017 skins for pc version)

That makes Project cars 2 the ultimate and most beautiful WEC and le mans 24hr day->night->day cycle simulator out there!(in my opinion)

RacingAtHome
16-05-2017, 13:28
Jeez. Calm down.

Also, your facts about the GT3/GTE are completely wrong.

We'll compare the Aston Martin GT3/GTE.


For one, the GT3 has a 114l fuel cell compared to the GTE's 95l. BHP is up to 600HP for the GT3 compared with the 480 of the GTE.

The GTE is far better aerodynamically with the GT3 without such large aero updates.
http://cdntbs.astonmartin.com/sitefinity/racing-news/vantagegte-amr-2016-updated.jpg

ELAhrairah
16-05-2017, 13:54
Jeez. Calm down.

Also, your facts about the GT3/GTE are completely wrong.

We'll compare the Aston Martin GT3/GTE.


For one, the GT3 has a 114l fuel cell compared to the GTE's 95l. BHP is up to 600HP for the GT3 compared with the 480 of the GTE.

The GTE is far better aerodynamically with the GT3 without such large aero updates.
http://cdntbs.astonmartin.com/sitefinity/racing-news/vantagegte-amr-2016-updated.jpg

For multiplayer it will be hard to make it work unless modding community finds something but if you play singleplayer it is good enough. If you play with a GTE find the GT3's to fast (or the other way around) just play with the difficulty level. I do it in pcars 1 and it works for me. Sure not perfect. But at least something. The immersion is great.

RacingAtHome
16-05-2017, 14:47
For multiplayer it will be hard to make it work unless modding community finds something but if you play singleplayer it is good enough. If you play with a GTE find the GT3's to fast (or the other way around) just play with the difficulty level. I do it in pcars 1 and it works for me. Sure not perfect. But at least something. The immersion is great.

Have you ever watched IMSA? That's a series that runs GT3 and GTE and surprise surprise, they're 2 different classes. There is no point putting GT3s in a GTE class which is the reversal of the issue we had last game. I would rather have no Ferrari/Porsche in GTE than have their GT3 in that class. The cars would be offputting despite being BOP'd for that class. Even if they did, they didn't BOP the fuel capacity so it would be obvious that the BOP'd GT3s would destroy them because of fuel capacity alone.

The difficulty level makes no difference here because it would make a huge difference AI vs AI as well.

ELAhrairah
16-05-2017, 15:02
Have you ever watched IMSA? That's a series that runs GT3 and GTE and surprise surprise, they're 2 different classes. There is no point putting GT3s in a GTE class which is the reversal of the issue we had last game. I would rather have no Ferrari/Porsche in GTE than have their GT3 in that class. The cars would be offputting despite being BOP'd for that class. Even if they did, they didn't BOP the fuel capacity so it would be obvious that the BOP'd GT3s would destroy them because of fuel capacity alone.

The difficulty level makes no difference here because it would make a huge difference AI vs AI as well.

The difference between GT3 and GTE is undisputed, you made your point but in a single player event or even season you'd at least have a full field. Purists like you must do what they want to do. You already mentioned it: like leaving some cars out. I am not that much of a GT purist. If the LMP field is accurate it is almost enough for me. The GTE's included in the game are fine enough, very happy with the Ford this time and the rest is just a bonus. Btw in multplayer you can use gentlemens agreement to set up restrictors. Just create a setup for the car save and drive. There are no numbers showing you the resulting power and torque so you'd have to find the balanced settings by testing.

hkraft300
16-05-2017, 15:45
Screaming for full WEC grid...
Starts throwing GT3 cars in the mix...

RacingAtHome
16-05-2017, 15:47
The difference between GT3 and GTE is undisputed, you made your point but in a single player event or even season you'd at least have a full field. Purists like you must do what they want to do. You already mentioned it: like leaving some cars out. I am not that much of a GT purist. If the LMP field is accurate it is almost enough for me. The GTE's included in the game are fine enough, very happy with the Ford this time and the rest is just a bonus. Btw in multplayer you can use gentlemens agreement to set up restrictors. Just create a setup for the car save and drive. There are no numbers showing you the resulting power and torque so you'd have to find the balanced settings by testing.

In previous posts, you've asked for a full WEC grid. The problem is that you're now chopping and changing with each post. You first wanted a full WEC grid with their historics, then you've gone from that down to not caring whether the GTE class is actually GTE. If the GTE field is really fine as it is, why are you now asking for GT3 cars to fill it out?

hkraft300
16-05-2017, 16:09
...every single prototype and gte pro car of 2017 must be included. Also all winners in their class should have their historic cars included...


Hunnits...


11 for WEC season. The rest is a bonus if you ask me.

11...


If the LMP field is accurate it is almost enough for me

6...

Or 4 since WEC LMP2 is all Oreca this year :p

ELAhrairah
16-05-2017, 16:44
In previous posts, you've asked for a full WEC grid. The problem is that you're now chopping and changing with each post. You first wanted a full WEC grid with their historics, then you've gone from that down to not caring whether the GTE class is actually GTE. If the GTE field is really fine as it is, why are you now asking for GT3 cars to fill it out?

I am saying that with a little out of the box thinking one can create a reasonable WEC field with what we eventually get from the game. I do not expect more gte's than the ones in project cars 1..(except for the addition of the Ford gt lm)

ELAhrairah
16-05-2017, 16:47
Hunnits...



11...



6...

Or 4 since WEC LMP2 is all Oreca this year :p


For this year we have 3 main WEC lmp2 manufacterers. If pcars could get just one licence we could spread that single car over an entire field and you have a 2017 real WEC LMP2 field. At least for 1 manufacterer. The important thing is to have at least 1 real LMP2 chassis and not another fake rwd or marek lmp2 closed cockpit. I rather put mod skins on a real 2017 oreca or ligier.

That was my point. Sure one can hope for more, more skins of real teams more real 2017 chassis..if we had rich fathers..right? I am really happy we have a confirmed lmp3. That will be very cool to drive.

breyzipp
16-05-2017, 17:00
I have good faith in SMS that they put the right cars in the right classes, so GT3 cars stay in the GT3 class and GTE cars stay in the GTE class. So far everything indicates that they indeed do it that way, just look at the BMW M6 GT3 and GTE versions being in the game, it shows that SMS respects the car classes in the real world. Besides they already confirmed in the long GTPlanet thread that GT3 and GTE are now separate classes (they were not in PCARS1).

So with custom championships we will be able to mimic the WEC field by putting LMP1, LMP2 and GTE in one multi-class race. You want GT3 in there as well? You can! Up to 4 classes max in 1 multiclass race so LMP1, LMP2, GTE and GT3 is possible. What will also be fun I think is GT3, GT4, Touring1, Touring2 which more or less mimics the Hankook 24h endurance series. Touring2 could be the Clio Cup, Touring1 then something along the likes of WTCC but no cars are announced there yet.

Retro prototype + GT + touring has some lovely combinations as well. Can't wait for this all, this game is shaping up to be ace! :)

RacingAtHome
16-05-2017, 17:23
I have good faith in SMS that they put the right cars in the right classes, so GT3 cars stay in the GT3 class and GTE cars stay in the GTE class. So far everything indicates that they indeed do it that way, just look at the BMW M6 GT3 and GTE versions being in the game, it shows that SMS respects the car classes in the real world. Besides they already confirmed in the long GTPlanet thread that GT3 and GTE are now separate classes (they were not in PCARS1).

So with custom championships we will be able to mimic the WEC field by putting LMP1, LMP2 and GTE in one multi-class race. You want GT3 in there as well? You can! Up to 4 classes max in 1 multiclass race so LMP1, LMP2, GTE and GT3 is possible. What will also be fun I think is GT3, GT4, Touring1, Touring2 which more or less mimics the Hankook 24h endurance series. Touring2 could be the Clio Cup, Touring1 then something along the likes of WTCC but no cars are announced there yet.

Retro prototype + GT + touring has some lovely combinations as well. Can't wait for this all, this game is shaping up to be ace! :)

Yeah. The problem is that he put the GT3s in the GTE class and thought it was acceptable. I know SMS will separate them and ensure that each class is reasonably fairly balanced.

ELAhrairah
16-05-2017, 17:24
Yeah. The problem is that he put the GT3s in the GTE class and thought it was acceptable. I know SMS will separate them and ensure that each class is reasonably fairly balanced.

It has been confirmed by SMS that both classes will be seperated. Something I prefer too. Believe it or not. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/q-a-with-ianbell-read-op-process-of-updating.353715/page-5#post-11713536

RacingAtHome
16-05-2017, 19:08
It has been confirmed by SMS that both classes will be seperated. Something I prefer too. Believe it or not. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/q-a-with-ianbell-read-op-process-of-updating.353715/page-5#post-11713536

Yes. I know. If you prefer that too, why are you suggesting putting Ferrari and Porsche GT3s in the GTE class then?

ELAhrairah
16-05-2017, 19:41
Yes. I know. If you prefer that too, why are you suggesting putting Ferrari and Porsche GT3s in the GTE class then?

I was suggesting it in the case we won't get Ferrari and Porsche GTE's, I thought it might be an option just to fill up the GTE field (and correct their speed with restrictors etc.) But essentially you are right we must not mix both. I am 100% happy that they created a seperate GTE class for pcars 2. ;):applouse:

hkraft300
16-05-2017, 23:26
It's not all WEC.
Because of multi class you can do imsa too. If the non-wec lmp2-spec Ginetta is in, or the much loved marek and rwd car, they will do the imsa dpi class quite well.
And mix GTE and GT3 in the same race!
Or e/alms with the LMP 3 :)

RacingAtHome
17-05-2017, 11:43
It's not all WEC.
Because of multi class you can do imsa too. If the non-wec lmp2-spec Ginetta is in, or the much loved marek and rwd car, they will do the imsa dpi class quite well.
And mix GTE and GT3 in the same race!
Or e/alms with the LMP 3 :)

Or add the LMP3 class to replace the PC class. ;)

honespc
17-05-2017, 13:01
I don't quite understand the differences between GT3 and GTE. Which of the two is considered higher?. Are they just equally powerful but with minor differences, but enough to be considered separated leagues?

ELAhrairah
17-05-2017, 13:44
It's not all WEC.
Because of multi class you can do imsa too. If the non-wec lmp2-spec Ginetta is in, or the much loved marek and rwd car, they will do the imsa dpi class quite well.
And mix GTE and GT3 in the same race!
Or e/alms with the LMP 3 :)

Thats a welcome surprise the lmp2 non wec Ginetta. For me personally WEC is the endurance competition with the highest international allure with the le mans24hr as the crown of all endurance competitions. But I welcome every multi class (endurance) competition! I have the 25th marked in my agenda. The 2nd biggest endurance race of the year :)

Roger Prynne
17-05-2017, 15:52
I don't quite understand the differences between GT3 and GTE. Which of the two is considered higher?. Are they just equally powerful but with minor differences, but enough to be considered separated leagues?

The basic difference is GTE cars are built to fit into a rule book which mostly balances all the cars out with each other in speed and technology. (Some BoP is still needed). Gt3 on the other hand has a completely open rule book only limited by what the customer can afford (Gt3 is a privateer class) After all the manufacturers build something the SRO then use BoP to balance all the cars out.

hkraft300
17-05-2017, 16:52
GTE cars are the evolution of the old GT2 class, no?
They were faster, but over the years the GT3 cars had pretty much caught up.
But as of 2016 GTE Aero rules have changed, so they're fair bit faster now.

It's not a matter of "higher" really. ACO allow GTE in the WEC but not GT3. Blancpain and many other GT championships run GT3 but not GTE and are almost equally prestigious. Almost equally because they can't compete at Le Mans.
IMSA run GT3 (as GTD, I think?) And GTE in the same races, and have prestigious events like the Daytona 24.
GT3 is a bit of a cluster f* ATM internationally.

RomKnight
17-05-2017, 23:40
GTE vs GT3 redux:

gte:
less power, more aero, less weight, no assists

gt3:
more power, less aero, less weight, ABC and TC if the system is engine based only

IIRC that is.

Basically, top speeds can be similar but the aero of gte and less weight leads faster lap times.

There are also a bunch of technicalities in the rule books. GTE fun fact: every open duct in the bodywork has to serve as a way to cool something (otherwise can't be there or must be closed iirc). This may have changed though.

hkraft300
18-05-2017, 01:11
GTE: any tyres you like.

GT3: spec tyre compound, whatever the supplier brings.