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breyzipp
18-07-2017, 21:49
Project CARS 2 will have some great tools available to create custom multi-class championships. It will be interesting to recreate those championships from real life as accurate as possible with all the tracks and car classes we have in the game. Below is the information of some real life championships along with some suggestions of how to replace those tracks and car classes that are missing from the game (greyed out). However, this is in no way a statement of how you should play, it's just an option. You are always free to replace the missing pieces any way you want or just ignore everything and mix your own tracks and classes.
Info for new real-life championships to add is always welcome as well as suggestions or corrections for the info already posted. I will see if I can find the starting hour for each race as well but that will require some research. All circuits below are the GP circuits unless noted otherwise.



2016 FIA World Endurance Championship (LMP1 / LMP2 / GTE) (rolling start) (info (http://www.fiawec.com/en/season/about/24))
Round 1 - 6 Hours of Silverstone (Silverstone Circuit / Sunday 17th April, 12:00 - 18:00)
Round 2 - 6 Hours of Spa-Francorchamps (Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps / Saturday 07th May, 14:30 - 20:30)
Round 3 - 24 Hours of Le Mans (Circuit de la Sarthe / Saturday 18th June 15:00 - Sunday 19th June 15:00)
Round 4 - 6 Hours of Nürburgring (Nürburgring / Sunday 24th July, 13:00 - 19:00)
Round 5 - 6 Hours of Mexico (Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez / Saturday 03rd September, 13:30 - 19:30)
Round 6 - 6 Hours of Circuit of the Americas (Circuit of the Americas / Saturday 17th September, 17:00 - 23:00)
Round 7 - 6 Hours of Fuji (Fuji Speedway / Sunday 17th October, 11:00 - 17:00)
Round 8 - 6 Hours of Shanghai (Shanghai International Circuit / Sunday 06th November, 11:00 - 17:00)
Round 9 - 6 Hours of Bahrain (Bahrain International Circuit / Saturday 19th November, 16:00 - 22:00)

Suggested classes for Project CARS 2:
LMP1 / LMP2 / GTE

Suggested tracks for Project CARS 2:
Replace Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez with Indianapolis Speedway (Road Course) or leave it out and race the championship as in 2015 with 8 rounds.
Replace Shanghai International Circuit with Zhuhai International Circuit.
Replace Bahrain International Circuit with Dubai Autodrome.



2017 European Le Mans Series (LMP2 / LMP3 / GTE) (rolling start) (info (http://europeanlemansseries.com/en/elms/story/5/6?year=2017))
Round 1 - 4 Hours of Silverstone (Silverstone Circuit / Saturday 15th April, 14:30 - 18:30)
Round 2 - 4 Hours of Monza (Autodromo Nazionale Monza (*) / Sunday 14th May, 13:30 - 17:30)
Round 3 - 4 Hours of the Red Bull Ring (Red Bull Ring / Sunday 23rd July, 13:00 - 17:00)
Round 4 - 4 Hours of Le Castellet (Circuit Paul Ricard / Sunday 27th August, 13:00 - 17:00)
Round 5 - 4 Hours of Spa-Francorchamps (Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps / Sunday 24th September, 14:00 - 18:00)
Round 6 - 4 Hours of Portimão (Algarve International Circuit / Sunday 22nd October, 14:00 - 18:00)

Suggested classes for Project CARS 2:
LMP2 / LMP3 / GTE

Suggested tracks for Project CARS 2:
Replace Circuit Paul Ricard with Le Circuit Bugatti.
(*) Optionally you could replace Monza with Imola as that was the location used in Italy for seasons 2013 until 2016.



2017 Michelin Le Mans Cup (LMP3 / GT3 ) (rolling start) (info (http://www.lemanscup.com/en/)) (*)
Round 1 - 2 Hours of Monza (Autodromo Nazionale Monza / Saturday 13th May, 16:45 - 18:45)
Round 2a - (55 minutes) Road To Le Mans (Circuit de la Sarthe / Thursday 15th June, 17:30 - 18:25)
Round 2b - (55 minutes) Road To Le Mans (Circuit de la Sarthe / Saturday 17th June, 11:30 - 12:25)
Round 3 - 2 Hours of Red Bull Ring (Red Bull Ring / Saturday 22th July, 16:00 - 18:00)
Round 4 - 2 Hours of Le Castellet (Circuit Paul Ricard / Saturday 26th August, 16:10 - 18:10)
Round 5 - 2 Hours of Spa (Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps / Saturday 23rd September, 16:00 - 18:00)
Round 6 - 2 Hours of Algarve (Algarve International Circuit / Sunday 22th October, 09:00 - 11:00)
(*) All races will support the 2017 European Le Mans Series except the Le Mans round, which is part of the 24 Hours of Le Mans weekend from the FIA World Endurance Championship.

Suggested classes for Project CARS 2 :
LMP3 / GT3

Suggested tracks for Project CARS 2 :
Replace Circuit Paul Ricard with Le Circuit Bugatti.



2016–17 Asian Le Mans Series (LMP2 / LMP3 / CN / GT3 / GT3 Cup) (rolling start) (info (http://www.asianlemansseries.com/races/20162017-seasoncalendar/calendar/))
Round 1 - 4 Hours of Zhuhai (Zhuhai International Circuit / Sunday 30th October 2016, 13:00 - 17:00)
Round 2 - 4 Hours of Fuji (Fuji Speedway / Sunday 4th December 2016, 12:15 - 16:15)
Round 3 - 4 Hours of Buriram (Chang International Circuit / Sunday 8th January 2017, 12:15 - 16:15)
Round 4 - 4 Hours of Sepang (Sepang International Circuit / Sunday 22nd January 2017, 12:15 - 16:15)

Suggested classes for Project CARS 2:
LMP2 / LMP3 / GT3

Suggested tracks for Project CARS 2:
Replace Chang International Circuit with Sportsland Sugo.
Replace Sepang International Circuit with Sakitto.



2017 WeatherTech SportsCar Championship (Prototype (~LMP2) / PC / GTLM (~GTE) / GTD (~GT3)) (rolling start) (info (https://sportscarchampionship.imsa.com/schedule-results/race-schedule))
Round 1 - (24 hours) Rolex 24 at Daytona (Daytona International Speedway / Saturday 28th January 14:30 - Sunday 29th Januari 14:30)
Round 2 - (12 hours) Mobil 1 Twelve Hours of Sebring (Sebring International Raceway / Saturday 18th March, 10:40 - 22:40)
Round 3 - (1 hour 40 minutes) BUBBA Burger Sports Car Grand Prix at Long Beach (Long Beach Street Circuit / Saturday 8th April, 16:05 - 17:45)
Round 4 - (2 hour 40 minutes) Advance Auto Parts Sportscar Showdown (Circuit of the Americas / Saturday 6th May, 14:35 - 17:15)
Round 5 - (1 hour 40 minutes) Chevrolet Sports Car Classic (The Raceway on Belle Isle / Saturday 3rd June, 12:40 - 14:20)
Round 6 - (6 hours) Sahlen's Six Hours of The Glen (Watkins Glen International / Sunday 2nd July, 10:10 - 16:10)
Round 7 - (2 hour 40 minutes) SportsCar Grand Prix (Canadian Tire Motorsport Park / Sunday 9th July, 12:05 - 14:45)
Round 8 - (2 hour 40 minutes) Northeast Grand Prix (Lime Rock Park / Saturday 22nd July, 15:05 - 17:45)
Round 9 - (2 hour 40 minutes) Continental Tire Road Race Showcase (Road America / Sunday 6th August, 14:35 - 17:15)
Round 10 - (2 hour 40 minutes) Michelin GT Challenge at VIR (Virginia International Raceway / Sunday 27th August, 13:35 - 16:15)
Round 11 - (2 hour 40 minutes) Continental Tire Monterey Grand Prix powered by Mazda (Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca / Sunday 24th September, 17:05 - 19:45)
Round 12 - (10 hours) Motul Petit Le Mans (Road Atlanta / Saturday 7th October, 11:10 - 21:10)

Suggested classes for Project CARS 2 :
option 1) LMP2 / GTE / GT3 (leaving PC out as it's almost dead anyway and gone in 2018)
option 2) LMP2 / LMP3 / GTE / GT3 (LMP3 representing PC)

Suggested tracks for Project CARS 2 :
Not easy with so many tracks missing. You could do one of the following:
1) Just run a light version of the championship with 6 rounds.
2) Run the championship with 12 rounds but use each track twice.
3) Or if you want to do a 12 round championship on unique tracks and mostly based in the USA then I suggest doing 2 rounds in the UK and as follows:
- Replace Sebring International Raceway with Indianapolis Road Course.
- Replace The Raceway on Belle Isle with Texas Road Course.
- Replace Canadian Tire Motorsport Park with Brands Hatch.
- Replace Lime Rock Park with Oulton Park.
- Replace Virginia International Raceway with Sonoma Raceway.
- Replace Road Atlanta with Willow Springs.



2017 24H Series powered by Hankook (A6 (=GT3) / SPX (incl. ST) / 991 / SP2 / SP3 (=GT4) / TCR (~TC) / A3 / CUP1 / A2 (incl. TC1)) (rolling start) (info (http://24hseries.com/))
Round 1 - 24H Dubai (Dubai Autodrome / Friday 13th January 14:00 - Saturday 14th January 14:00)
Round 2a - (part 1 - 4 hours) 12H Mugello (Mugello Circuit / Friday 17th March, 14:00 - 18:00)
Round 2b - (part 2 - 8 hours) 12H Mugello (Mugello Circuit / Saturday 18th March, 10:00 - 18:00) (restart)
Round 3a - (part 1 - 3 hours 30 minutes) 12H Red Bull Ring (Red Bull Ring / Friday 7th April, 14:15 - 17:45)
Round 3b - (part 2 - 8 hours 30 minutes) 12H Red Bull Ring (Red Bull Ring / Saturday 8th April, 09:15 - 17:45) (restart)
Round 4 - 24H Paul Ricard (Circuit Paul Ricard / Saturday 6th May 14:30 - Sunday 7th May 14:30)
Round 5a - (part 1 - 4 hours) 12H Imola (Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari / Friday 30th June, 15:00 - 19:00)
Round 5b - (part 2 - 8 hours) 12H Imola (Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari / Saturday 1st July, 11:00 - 19:00) (restart)
Round 6 - 24H Portimao (Algarve International Circuit / Saturday 26th August 15:30 - Sunday 27th August 15:30)
Round 7a - (part 1 - 14 hours) 24H COTA (Circuit of the Americas / Saturday 11th November, 09:00 - 23:00)
Round 7b - (part 2 - 10 hours) 24H COTA (Circuit of the Americas / Sunday 12th November, 08:00 - 18:00) (restart)

Suggested classes for Project CARS 2 :
option 1) GT3 / GT4 / TC / TC1
option 2) GT3 / ST / GT4 / TC
I highly recommend option 1 here as it's a great opportunity to run a real life based multi-class race with the Clio Cup in it. Option 2 replaces the Clio Cup with the Huracan ST but then you kinda loose the speed difference between the GT3 and the Clio Cup which makes the Hankook series so unique.

Suggested tracks for Project CARS 2 :
Replace Mugello with Monza (geographically closer) or either Brno or the Nürburgring (both technically closer).
Replace Circuit Paul Ricard with Le Circuit Bugatti.



2017 Veranstaltergemeinschaft Langstreckenpokal Nürburgring (VLN) (SPX (incl. R.S.01) / SP9 (=GT3) / SP10 (=GT4) / TCR (=TC) / SP3 (=TC1) / V6..V3 (= Road D..G) / many others) (rolling start) (info (http://vln.de/en/season/2017/calendar/index.html))
Round 1 - (4 hours) 63. ADAC Westfalenfahrt (Nürburgring Nordschleife & Sprintstrecke / Saturday 25th March, 12:00 - 16:00)
Round 2 - (4 hours) 42. DMV 4-Stunden-Rennen (Nürburgring Nordschleife & Sprintstrecke / Saturday 08th April, 12:00 - 16:00)
Round 3 - (4 hours) 59. ADAC ACAS H&R-Cup (Nürburgring Nordschleife & Sprintstrecke / Saturday 24th June, 12:00 - 16:00)
Round 4 - (4 hours) 47. Adenauer ADAC Deutsche Payment-Trophy (Nürburgring Nordschleife & Sprintstrecke / Saturday 08th July, 12:00 - 16:00)
Round 5 - (6 hours) ROWE 6 Stunden ADAC Ruhr-Pokal-Rennen (Nürburgring Nordschleife & Sprintstrecke / Saturday 19th August, 12:00 - 18:00)
Round 6 - (4 hours) 40. RCM DMV Grenzlandrennen (Nürburgring Nordschleife & Sprintstrecke / Saturday 02nd September, 12:00 - 16:00)
Round 7 - (4 hours) 57. ADAC Reinoldus-Langstreckenrennen (Nürburgring Nordschleife & Sprintstrecke / Saturday 23rd September, 12:00 - 16:00)
Round 8 - (4 hours) 49. ADAC Barbarossapreis (Nürburgring Nordschleife & Sprintstrecke / Saturday 07th October, 12:00 - 16:00)
Round 9 - (4 hours) 42. DMV Münsterlandpokal (Nürburgring Nordschleife & Sprintstrecke / Saturday 21st October, 12:00 - 16:00)

Suggested classes for Project CARS 2:
You can mix any of the following classes in my opinion: R.S.01 / GT3 / GT4 / TC / TC1 / Road E (*) / Road F (*)
However I would always include at least GT3 and one of the road car classes since those are vastly represented in real life (together with Porsche and BMW cup cars we don't have). Some interesting combinations:
option 1) R.S.01 / GT3 / GT4 / Road EorF
option 2) R.S.01 / GT3 / TC / Road EorF
option 3) GT3 / GT4 / TC / Road EorF (**)
option 4) GT3 / TC / TC1 / Road EorF
option 5) GT3 / TC / Road E / Road F
option 6) ... / ... / ... / ...
(*) Some road cars that race in the V-classes are the Porsche 911 & Cayman S (in V6, fastest) and the Toyota GT86 (in V3, slowest) with a lot of BMWs and Mercedes in between, but nothing too exotic. This is my take on the road car classes in Project CARS 2 to use for this championship:
* Road A, B, C = too exotic or powerful, for sure don't use these if you want to realistically represent this championship (FYI: V6 is the highest road car class and maximum engine size for it is 3.5 liter).
* Road D = the performance is fine to represent the higher V-classes but in my opinion too many cars in this class with engines bigger than 3.5L.
* Road E = acceptable and a good mix of road cars (the 1984 Ferrari GTO being a bit of the oddball but there is a H-class for older cars as well).
* Road F = acceptable but only 3 car variants (good ones though).
* Road G = even though the GT86 is in here, IMO there are too many cars from the 60s/70s to represent a realistic VLN road car class, plus that Funhaver's engine is way too big and it would look just silly.
(**) My personal favorite is option 3 with Road E class for the road cars. It resembles the real life mix of GT3, GT4, touring and road cars the best in my opinion and gives a very diverse grid.

Suggested tracks for Project CARS 2:
Replace Nürburgring Nordschleife & Sprintstrecke with Nürburgring Nordschleife & GP combined.




2017 Pirelli World Challenge (GT (=GT3) / GTA / GT Cup / GTS (=GT4) / GTSA / TC / TCA / TCB)
Round 1 - Grand Prix of St. Petersburg (Streets of St. Petersburg / March 9–12)
Round 2 - Grand Prix of Long Beach (Streets of Long Beach / April 7–9)
Round 3 - Grand Prix of VIR (Virginia International Raceway / April 28–30)
Round 4 - Pirelli World Challenge at CTMP (Canadian Tire Motorsport Park / May 19–21)
Round 5 - Grand Prix of Lime Rock Park (Lime Rock Park / May 26–27)
Round 6 - Grand Prix of Road America (Road America / June 23–25)
Round 7 - Mid-Ohio Grand Prix (Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course / July 28–30)
Round 8 - Grand Prix of Utah Motorsports Campus (Utah Motorsports Campus / August 11–13)
Round 9 - Grand Prix of Texas (Circuit of the Americas / September 1–3)
Round 10 - Grand Prix of Sonoma (Sonoma Raceway / September 15–17)
Round 11 - MRLS Grand Prix (Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca / October 13–15)

Suggested classes for Project CARS 2 :
option 1) GT3 / GT4 / TC
option 2) GT3 / GT4
Touring cars didn't race in rounds 1, 2, 7 & 10 so hence option 2.

Suggested tracks for Project CARS 2 :
Not easy with so many tracks missing. You could do one of the following:
1) Just run a light version of the championship with 5 rounds.
2) Run the championship with 10 rounds but use each track twice.
3) Or if you want to do an 11 round championship on unique tracks and mostly based in the USA then I suggest doing 1 rounds in the UK and as follows:
- Replace Streets of St. Petersburg with Watkins Glen.
- Replace Virginia International Raceway with Willow Springs.
- Replace Canadian Tire Motorsport Park with Brands Hatch.
- Replace Lime Rock Park with Texas Road Course.
- Replace Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course with Indianapolis Road Course.
- Replace Utah Motorsports Campus with Daytona Road Course.



2017 Intercontinental GT Challenge (GT3 / GT4)
Round 1 - Liqui Moly Bathurst 12 Hour (Mount Panorama Circuit / 5 February) [GT3 / GT3 Cup / GT4 / Invitational (MARC, Touring, others)]
Round 2 - Total 24 Hours of Spa (Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps / 29–30 July) [GT3 / GT3 Cup]
Round 3 - Mazda Raceway California 8 Hours (Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca / 15 October) [GT3 / GT4 / ..?..]
Round 4 - Motul Sepang 12 Hours (Sepang International Circuit / 10 December) [GT3 / GT3 Cup / GT4 / MARC / Touring] (2016 classes for now)

Suggested classes for Project CARS 2 :
option 1) GT3 / GT4 / TC
option 2) GT3 / GT4

Suggested tracks for Project CARS 2 :
Replace Sepang with another Asian circuit (Zhuhai International Circuit recommended)



2017 British GT Championship (GT3 / GT4)
Round 1 - 60 mins (Oulton Park / 15 April) (*)
Round 2 - 60 mins (Oulton Park / 15 April) (*)
Round 3 - 120 mins (Rockingham / 29 April)
Round 4 - 60 mins (Snetterton / 27 May) (*)
Round 5 - 60 mins (Snetterton / 27 May) (*)
Round 6 - 180 mins (Silverstone Circuit / 10 June)
Round 7 - 60 mins (Spa-Francorchamps / 7 July) (*)
Round 8 - 60 mins (Spa-Francorchamps / 7 July) (*)
Round 9 - 120 mins (Brands Hatch / 5 August)
Round 10 - 120 mins (Donington Park / 23 September)
(*) = multiple rounds on the same day

Suggested classes for Project CARS 2 :
GT3 / GT4

Suggested tracks for Project CARS 2 :
Replace Rockingham with Cadwell Park (geographically closer) or Indianapolis GP (technically closer).



2017 Touring Car Endurance Series powered by Hankook (SP3 (=GT4) / TCR (~TC) / A3 / CUP1 / A2 (incl. TC1)/ D1)
Round 1 - 24H Silverstone (Silverstone Circuit / 31 March–1 April)
Round 2 - 12H Magny-Cours (Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours / 20–22 April)
Round 3 - 24H Misano (Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli / 6–8 July)
Round 4 - 24H Barcelona - Fermín Vélez Trophy (Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya / 1–3 September)
Round 5 - 12H Spa-Francorchamps (Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps / 6–8 October)

Suggested classes for Project CARS 2 :
GT4 / TC / TC1

Suggested tracks for Project CARS 2 :
Replace Magny-Cours with Le Circuit Bugatti.
Replace Misano with Imola.



todo list :

Masters Endurance Legends: http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?50866-Project-CARS-2-recreating-real-life-multi-class-championships&p=1353637&viewfull=1#post1353637
Supercar Challenge : http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?50866-Project-CARS-2-recreating-real-life-multi-class-championships&p=1350334&viewfull=1#post1350334
classic cars : http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?50866-Project-CARS-2-recreating-real-life-multi-class-championships&p=1350222&viewfull=1#post1350222
2016 version of Hankook 24h Series : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_24H_Series
touring car version of Hankook 24h: http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?50866-Project-CARS-2-recreating-real-life-multi-class-championships&p=1353115&viewfull=1#post1353115
Britcar : http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?50866-Project-CARS-2-recreating-real-life-multi-class-championships&p=1353114&viewfull=1#post1353114

breyzipp
18-07-2017, 21:50
Reserved

Stewy32
19-07-2017, 06:12
Road America for Round 5

Cheesenium
19-07-2017, 07:04
You can pretty much swap the tracks for any other tracks for a more interesting experience. It does not have to follow the series for most car classes.

I had been bringing oddball classes to places it never been like WEC style in Daytona Road Course or NASCAR on Monza Ovals, that is incredibly rewarding to do that. Considering that pcars is a massive sandbox of toys, mix them up!

amazed
19-07-2017, 07:35
Breyzipp, the listmeister! ;)

Invincible
19-07-2017, 07:46
Breyzipp, the listmeister! ;)

Funny to read such a word from a Brit ;)

Even if it should be spelled "Listenmeister" -> singular: Liste / plural: Listen - "List" in German would translate to trickery or deceit. :p

breyzipp
19-07-2017, 13:31
Road America for Round 5

Yeah that was the first track I thought about as well but Laguna Seca is closer to Mexico. :P I'll list them both though since from a technical point of view, I think RA is a better replacement for the track in Mexico than LS.


You can pretty much swap the tracks for any other tracks for a more interesting experience. It does not have to follow the series for most car classes.

I had been bringing oddball classes to places it never been like WEC style in Daytona Road Course or NASCAR on Monza Ovals, that is incredibly rewarding to do that. Considering that pcars is a massive sandbox of toys, mix them up!

Of course! People can still do what they like. I for sure will do some oddball multi-class races as well like for example the creme de la creme of GT racing which should be RS01, Super Trofeo, GTE and GT3. :) Or even open wheelers like IndyCar, FA, FR3.5, FC. :) Or STOCKCAR, V8SC, Megane Trophy, Touring will be interesting too.

But for this thread I just want to put the info from some real life multiclass championships available with some suggestions of how to run them for PCARS2. People can always adjust them to their likings.

breyzipp
19-07-2017, 14:45
Added :

2017 European Le Mans Series
2017 WeatherTech SportsCar Championship

The first one just shows how much we NEED Paul Ricard as we could then race that entire championship on all authentic tracks with the correct car classes as well. :)

RacingAtHome
19-07-2017, 15:22
British GT (GT3 and GT4)
Round 1 - Oulton Park (15th April)
Round 2 - Oulton Park (15th April)
Round 3 - Rockingham *Replace with Daytona* (29th April)
Round 4 - Snetterton 300 (27th May)
Round 5 - Snetterton 300 (27th May)
Round 6 - Silverstone GP (10th June)
Round 7 - Spa (7th July)
Round 8 - Spa (7th July)
Round 9 - Brands GP (5th August)
Round 10 - Donington Park GP (23rd September)

Super GT (GT500/GT300)
Round 1 - Okayama *Replace with Red Bull Ring* (9th April)
Round 2 - Fuji Speedway (May 4th)
Round 3 - Autopolis *Replace with Dubai Autodrome* (May 21st)
Round 4 - Sugo (July 23rd)
Round 5 - Fuji Speedway (August 6th)
Round 6 - Suzuka *Replace with Sakitto* (August 27th)
Round 7 - Buriram *Replace with Zhuhai* (October 8th)
Round 8 - Motegi *Replace with Brno* (November 12th)

PC2 Classes - GT1 or GTE? and GT3

dault3883
19-07-2017, 15:32
I would think that LMP3 might replace Prototype Challenge in real life for weather tech IMSA

breyzipp
19-07-2017, 15:47
British GT (GT3 and GT4)
Round 1 - Oulton Park (15th April)
Round 2 - Oulton Park (15th April)
Round 3 - Rockingham *Replace with Daytona* (29th April)
Round 4 - Snetterton 300 (27th May)
Round 5 - Snetterton 300 (27th May)
Round 6 - Silverstone GP (10th June)
Round 7 - Spa (7th July)
Round 8 - Spa (7th July)
Round 9 - Brands GP (5th August)
Round 10 - Donington Park GP (23rd September)

Super GT (GT500/GT300)
Round 1 - Okayama *Replace with Red Bull Ring* (9th April)
Round 2 - Fuji Speedway (May 4th)
Round 3 - Autopolis *Replace with Dubai Autodrome* (May 21st)
Round 4 - Sugo (July 23rd)
Round 5 - Fuji Speedway (August 6th)
Round 6 - Suzuka *Replace with Sakitto* (August 27th)
Round 7 - Buriram *Replace with Zhuhai* (October 8th)
Round 8 - Motegi *Replace with Brno* (November 12th)

PC2 Classes - GT1 or GTE? and GT3


Thanks will add the first one! But Super GT? We don't have any of those cars and miss more tracks than ones we have.

Itsdoomsday48
19-07-2017, 16:02
This is great stuff, especially if the game allows you to create a custom season ( I honestly have no idea, still very new to the series)

RacingAtHome
19-07-2017, 16:02
Thanks will add the first one! But Super GT? We don't have any of those cars and miss more tracks than ones we have.

Fair enough.

dault3883
19-07-2017, 16:04
Fair enough.

maybe we will get Rockingham

breyzipp
19-07-2017, 16:05
This is great stuff, especially if the game allows you to create a custom season ( I honestly have no idea, still very new to the series)

Multiplayer = yes
Singleplayer = no

But... I believe you can create a "multiplayer" custom championship and then fill the grid only with AI without using any other players, resulting in pretty much the desired result for singleplayer. Might need multiplayer subscription for that though for consoles, I don't know.

Anyway don't take my word for that, it's what I read in bits and pieces that it *might* work that way. Would like to see some words on it from SMS/WMD.

dault3883
19-07-2017, 16:06
that would be cool i hope it is like that breyzipp

Eric Rowland
19-07-2017, 17:43
Keep the domestic championships in their home countries and use some of the shorter versions of the primary circuits to fill out the respective calendars...
And.....replace the replacements with one of the mystery tracks when they become available (if applicable).......

KANETAKER
19-07-2017, 19:20
Where is the BlancPain Series? Also, is missing the 24h of Nurburgring, 24h Dubai, and 24h Barcelona.

For WEC I suggest these classes: LMP1 - LMP2 - GT1 - GTE. Or LMP1 - LMP2 - GTE - GT3 (but use some BoP at GT3 for emulate GTE Am).

dault3883
19-07-2017, 19:26
Where is the BlancPain Series? Also, is missing the 24h of Nurburgring, 24h Dubai, and 24h Barcelona.

For WEC I suggest these classes: LMP1 - LMP2 - GT1 - GTE. Or LMP1 - LMP2 - GTE - GT3 (but use some BoP at GT3 for emulate GTE Am).

or in this case just replace gte am with gt3

Stewy32
19-07-2017, 19:28
BritishGT would more realistically be replaced by a pair of Knockhill sprints

KANETAKER
19-07-2017, 20:48
or in this case just replace gte am with gt3

The problem is to know if GT3 are faster than GTE in some tracks (like as PCars1). Example: At LeMans the Mercedes SLS GT3 and Aston Martin Vantage GT3 are faster and have more top speed than Corvette GTE and Aston Martin GTE. I don't know if in some oficial race the GTE Pro Leader was defeated by a GTE Am.

dault3883
19-07-2017, 21:03
The problem is to know if GT3 are faster than GTE in some tracks (like as PCars1). Example: At LeMans the Mercedes SLS GT3 and Aston Martin Vantage GT3 are faster and have more top speed than Corvette GTE and Aston Martin GTE. I don't know if in some oficial race the GTE Pro Leader was defeated by a GTE Am.

and on a little snake like circuit on Grid i once out ran and held off the entire GT1 field of Austin Martins with my little Spyker GT2 car it can happen at some tracks all i did was out dive them into the first corner at the start of the race then ran my line they never could get by me and i was never actively blocking them either

Edit: i think it was on Jarama too

breyzipp
19-07-2017, 22:36
Keep the domestic championships in their home countries and use some of the shorter versions of the primary circuits to fill out the respective calendars...
And.....replace the replacements with one of the mystery tracks when they become available (if applicable).......

Well different people have different opinions on what to change it with. Do you want to stay domestic? Do you want to find a track that technically is the closest to it? (I find Oulton Park a nice replacement for Lime Rock in that example) Do you want to stay to the location? (street circuit vs arena vs forest vs park locations) Or do you think if a track is not available it should just be skipped? That's the reason I put the missing tracks of the original series in grey and make a suggestion below the championship with what basically I think is best to change it with (editing it with suggestions if I see improvements).

For the record - The suggestion to stay domestic: none of the series are truly domestic in the first place since Britsh GT races in Spa and Weathertech also races in Canada. As for using shorters (international / national) layouts of circuits when the GP circuit is already in use, I'm personally not so much a fan of that either because a) you race on the same location twice and b) these circuits are often shorter and the feeling of racing is just not the same as on a GP layout. Again, just my 2 cents, we all have different opinions on that. :)


Where is the BlancPain Series? Also, is missing the 24h of Nurburgring, 24h Dubai, and 24h Barcelona.

For WEC I suggest these classes: LMP1 - LMP2 - GT1 - GTE. Or LMP1 - LMP2 - GTE - GT3 (but use some BoP at GT3 for emulate GTE Am).

Check out my todo list at the bottom of the first post. ;) As far as WEC goes, GT1 for sure is too old to be in the 2017 WEC. But I will add older retro and vintage championships as well if I find all the data so GT1 will for sure be represented somewhere else. I do see a thing in adding GT3 to WEC as well so that it could represent the GTE-Am class (where the GTE class would be GTE-Pro then). I'll add that as a second option.

dault3883
19-07-2017, 22:40
he is saying these are guidlines for the custom championships we are supposed to be able to make in multi player eventually and your from what i understand supposed to be able to fill the field with AI if you want

KANETAKER
20-07-2017, 07:57
As far as WEC goes, GT1 for sure is too old to be in the 2017 WEC
I think so the GT1 cars of laters 90's can be a good option as a 4th class to run together with the LMP1, LMP2 and GTE, instead of GT3 cars. These GT1 cars are a combination of protoype and GT, faster than modern GTE cars, slower than LMP1, and equal in lap times to LMP2 (but GT1 have more top speed at straights than modern prototypes).

Cheesenium
20-07-2017, 08:02
Might as well replace GT1 with LMP3 if you want different performance level with a different class. GT4 would be even better as they are considerably slower than GTE and LMP2 so you get a goo distribution of performance through the class.

The thing is to be creative with the multiclass tool, not being locked in solely on the real life series. You can do some seriously crazy combinations that is really fun with different cars and tracks.

hkraft300
20-07-2017, 08:23
I think so the GT1 cars of laters 90's can be a good option as a 4th class to run together with the LMP1, LMP2 and GTE, instead of GT3 cars. These GT1 cars are a combination of protoype and GT, faster than modern GTE cars, slower than LMP1, and equal in lap times to LMP2 (but GT1 have more top speed at straights than modern prototypes).

:hopelessness:
GT1 is no longer in wec.
So no, a WEC recreation shouldn't include GT1.

GT1 are also slower than LMP2.

KANETAKER
20-07-2017, 08:29
Might as well replace GT1 with LMP3 if you want different performance level with a different class. GT4 would be even better as they are considerably slower than GTE and LMP2 so you get a goo distribution of performance through the class.

The thing is to be creative with the multiclass tool, not being locked in solely on the real life series. You can do some seriously crazy combinations that is really fun with different cars and tracks.

GT4 is very slower for can put together with LMP1, LMP2 and GTE; also GT4 cars can be a big problem for LMP1 and LMP2 cars when the GT4 cars will going to be lapped (blue flags).

LMP3 can be a good option, but I prefer two prototype class with two GT class.

If only can put until 6 different classes instead of 4... (at least for singleplayer, because the limit of human players in multiplayer).


GT1 are also slower than LMP2.But GT1 are faster than GTE.

The only solution can be if SMS implement an option for can choose a same class for two (or more) slots at Multiclass races, only if the Host can make a BoP for can get the GTE Am. (LMP1, LMP2, GTE, GTE (with restrictor plate or another BoP for can make a GTE Am class)

hkraft300
20-07-2017, 08:33
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If only can put until 6 different classes instead of 4...

:rolleyes:
Because 4-class multi isn't enough Ye.

KANETAKER
20-07-2017, 08:35
I'm talking about Custom Races (for singleplayer and multiplayer), not for Career Mode.

Cheesenium
20-07-2017, 08:42
GT4 is very slower for can put together with LMP1, LMP2 and GTE; also GT4 cars can be a big problem for LMP1 and LMP2 cars when the GT4 cars will going to be lapped (blue flags).

LMP3 can be a good option, but I prefer two prototype class with two GT class.

I really do not understand this.

So, you mean an LMP1 will never lap an LMP2, GTE or GT1? What is the purpose of multi class if you do not want cars to be lapped? The fun part of multi class racing is managing the slower back markers while keep your class competitors at bay.

Whatever class you put with a faster class, eventually it will be lapped depending on performance variations and track length.

The reason I did not suggest LMP3 is, they are sort of close to GTE in terms of performance. At the end of the day, it is your choice, to begin with.

4 class is more than enough as most multi class series have 2 to 4 classes.

Invincible
20-07-2017, 08:56
I really do not understand this.

So, you mean an LMP1 will never lap an LMP2, GTE or GT1? What is the purpose of multi class if you do not want cars to be lapped? The fun part of multi class racing is managing the slower back markers while keep your class competitors at bay.

Whatever class you put with a faster class, eventually it will be lapped depending on performance variations and track length.

The reason I did not suggest LMP3 is, they are sort of close to GTE in terms of performance. At the end of the day, it is your choice, to begin with.

4 class is more than enough as most multi class series have 2 to 4 classes.

I think the overtaking / lapping can indeed be difficult with the GT4's due to the high speed difference. I've read an article recently in the "Sport Auto" magazine, where they were talking about lapping of slow cars in the VLN 24h event on the Nordschleife.
They said that for the fastest class, the GT3's, the slowest classes are the most difficult to lap because, especially during the night, the speed difference is often very hard to estimate correctly and that they're approaching those cars much faster as they thought.

Cheesenium
20-07-2017, 09:09
I think the overtaking / lapping can indeed be difficult with the GT4's due to the high speed difference. I've read an article recently in the "Sport Auto" magazine, where they were talking about lapping of slow cars in the VLN 24h event on the Nordschleife.
They said that for the fastest class, the GT3's, the slowest classes are the most difficult to lap because, especially during the night, the speed difference is often very hard to estimate correctly and that they're approaching those cars much faster as they thought.

Personally for me, that is the reason why I like including slower cars in multiclass because they make overtaking them a lot more existing and strategic.

It is quite dangerous in real life but Pcars 2 is a game so that's fine.

KANETAKER
20-07-2017, 09:37
So, you mean an LMP1 will never lap an LMP2, GTE or GT1? What is the purpose of multi class if you do not want cars to be lapped?

Are you kidding me? I'm not say about not like to lap slow cars. LMP1 can lap slower class (LMP2 and GTE), but GT4 is very, VERY slower, more than the GTE and GT3 cars; can be as an "mobile chicanes/stones on the track".

GT4 is good for multiclass races where LMP2 (2013 - 2016) LMP3, GT1, GTE or GT3 are the Main Class; but not for races where LMP1 or 2017 spec LMP2 are the Main Class.


Personally for me, that is the reason why I like including slower cars in multiclass because they make overtaking them a lot more existing and strategic.

It is quite dangerous in real life but Pcars 2 is a game so that's fine.

Under that same commentary of yours, I suppose you would also be one of those ........... players that in case a category of cars (like the LMP1) are relatively easy to drive, then they would modify the race options to increase their difficulty, either deactivating the real aids Of the car, or increasing tire wear...

hkraft300
20-07-2017, 11:01
Are you kidding me? I'm not say about not like to lap slow cars. LMP1 can lap slower class (LMP2 and GTE), but GT4 is very, VERY slower, more than the GTE and GT3 cars; can be as an "mobile chicanes/stones on the track".

So?
If we're talking about unorthodox multi-class racing, add any class you like. LMP900? Group C? Go crazy.

But to recreate WEC, your only proper option is LMP1-2-GTE-GTE.



I suppose you would also be one of those ........... players that in case a category of cars (like the LMP1) are relatively easy to drive, then they would modify the race options to increase their difficulty, either deactivating the real aids Of the car, or increasing tire wear...

I'm one of those. Aids off. Bad weather. Tyre wear. Damage.
Not just LMP1. Was that supposed to be an insult? Because I'd highly recommend it an LMP race in heavy rain. Throw in a cheeky thunderstorm slot in the weather. The grip change is staggering.
Just don't take the TS040 in rain. I can't get past Dunlop if there's a cloud in the sky :hopelessness:

RacingAtHome
20-07-2017, 11:09
BritishGT would more realistically be replaced by a pair of Knockhill sprints

We're replacing the Rockingham round and Daytona is probably closer in the sense that it's got a technical infield section and uses some of the oval and it's not a double sprint race weekend.

breyzipp
20-07-2017, 11:45
We're replacing the Rockingham round and Daytona is probably closer in the sense that it's got a technical infield section and uses some of the oval and it's not a double sprint race weekend.

Yes that's why Daytona (as was suggested) made sense. And because Spa is already in the real life championship so the entire thing isn't British domestic to begin with anyway I figured it would indeed be the best replacement.

Again folks, the topic posts are just suggestions, you can do your own thing if you like, or go crazy wild. :) That's the fun part of it!

dault3883
20-07-2017, 12:35
Exactly all Breyzipp is doing essentially is gathering all the info for us and creating Guidelines for us to help us make our own custom championships we dont need to be biting his head off LOL

KANETAKER
20-07-2017, 18:43
I'm one of those. Aids off. Bad weather. Tyre wear. Damage.
Not just LMP1. Was that supposed to be an insult?

And would not it be easier to play with a class of cars that is difficult by nature/default (like as Mercedes Benz 300SEL 6.8 AMG, RallyCross, 60's - 70's vintage F1, Vintage Prototype B, for some examples), instead of wanting to artificially transform a category of fast and stable cars (like as F1, FX, LMP1, GT1, LMP2) into slow and difficult cars? You talk about looking for realism, but that turning a modern, stable and fast car into a slow one in an artificial way is contradictory to realism.

Even in real life we see how in F1 engineers manage to make their cars faster and more stable despite attempts by the FIA to make them more difficult to drive. (For example: In 1998, by eliminating slick tires to impose the grooved tires, and over time did not work for the FIA). Same case with LMP1, where after 2010 there were regulatory changes in the LMP1 cars, with which the LMP1 went from rolling at LeMans in 3:19 (in 2010) to 3:25 (in 2011) but over the years the LMP1 evolved and became even more cars Faster than those of 2010. (3:14 in 2017 by Kobayashi). It is in human nature not to be conformists and break the limits.

With respect to the rain I do not oppose, as long as it is configured in a real or random way or at least in one of the 4 spaces available, and not by setting it fixed throughout the race as the only available climate.

dault3883
20-07-2017, 19:03
And would not it be easier to play with a class of cars that is difficult by nature/default (like as Mercedes Benz 300SEL 6.8 AMG, RallyCross, 60's - 70's vintage F1, Vintage Prototype B, for some examples), instead of wanting to artificially transform a category of fast and stable cars (like as F1, FX, LMP1, GT1, LMP2) into slow and difficult cars? You talk about looking for realism, but that turning a modern, stable and fast car into a slow one in an artificial way is contradictory to realism.

Even in real life we see how in F1 engineers manage to make their cars faster and more stable despite attempts by the FIA to make them more difficult to drive. (For example: In 1998, by eliminating slick tires to impose the grooved tires, and over time did not work for the FIA). Same case with LMP1, where after 2010 there were regulatory changes in the LMP1 cars, with which the LMP1 went from rolling at LeMans in 3:19 (in 2010) to 3:25 (in 2011) but over the years the LMP1 evolved and became even more cars Faster than those of 2010. (3:14 in 2017 by Kobayashi). It is in human nature not to be conformists and break the limits.

With respect to the rain I do not oppose, as long as it is configured in a real or random way or at least in one of the 4 spaces available, and not by setting it fixed throughout the race as the only available climate.

for one you cant tell people how to do stuff

for two he is just grouping together a list of the tracks that are in the real life series so that you can put together YOUR own custom championship

For three some people like to make stuff challenging sometimes thats half the fun is the challenge

and finally but not last you really need to back off the hostil attitude it really kills the mood. i dont know why you seem to have a chip on your shoulder but you need to relax this is all for fun after all

bradleyland
20-07-2017, 19:52
I had been bringing oddball classes to places it never been like WEC style in Daytona Road Course or NASCAR on Monza Ovals, that is incredibly rewarding to do that.

Uh... The Rolex 24 race runs prototypes and GT cars (WEC style) around the Daytona Road Course every year since 1992 ;)

bradleyland
20-07-2017, 20:02
Given how badly the DPi cars are spanking the LMP2 based cars this year, maybe we should run this instead. You know, just to keep it accurate :cool:

2017 WeatherTech SportsCar Championship (DPi Prototype (~LMP1) & LMP2 Prototype (~LMP2) / PC (~Oreca FLM03)/ GTLM (~GTE) / GTD (~GT3))

I'm only kidding about LMP1, of course :) But I do think you could run the the Oreca FLM03 (if it's still in the game). The PC class runs — well, ran I guess now that the class is dead — a spec FLM09 chassis in the actual series. You could use BoP to slow them down a bit. In terms of pace, they're between P and GTLM, which should be achievable.

dault3883
20-07-2017, 20:19
i dont see why the DPI's cant be LMP2 cars in real life they are already killing them as it is what is so different about them that keeps them from lmp2 because from the sounds of it the way they are supposed to go in succession order are

LMP1
LMP2
DPI

But in reality its like this it seems

LMP1
DPI
LMP2

LOL its crazy

breyzipp
20-07-2017, 20:44
Given how badly the DPi cars are spanking the LMP2 based cars this year, maybe we should run this instead. You know, just to keep it accurate :cool:

2017 WeatherTech SportsCar Championship (DPi Prototype (~LMP1) & LMP2 Prototype (~LMP2) / PC (~Oreca FLM03)/ GTLM (~GTE) / GTD (~GT3))

I'm only kidding about LMP1, of course :) But I do think you could run the the Oreca FLM03 (if it's still in the game). The PC class runs — well, ran I guess now that the class is dead — a spec FLM09 chassis in the actual series. You could use BoP to slow them down a bit. In terms of pace, they're between P and GTLM, which should be achievable.

The Oreca 03 is one of the LMP2 cars in the game, you can't specifically select it for multiclass races.

I got the following from Wikipedia which made me result into thinking our LMP2 class is good enough to represent the Prototype class for the Weathertech championship:


The Prototype class is made up of LMP2 cars both in LMP2 trim, with the ACO specification Gibson V8 engine, and in Daytona Prototype International (DPi) trim, where manufacturers are allowed to use certain body panels designed to reflect the automaker's design language, and run their own engines.

ripley
20-07-2017, 23:38
Don't forget btcc :)
it's ironic actually, despite we have almost every tracks in the calendar, there are no cars.
I suppose none of other studios have exclusive license of it like dtm and most of the brands are already in the game. it would be nice if we have them by dlc's

I forgot, this thread also can be sticky after release, it might be handy..

hkraft300
20-07-2017, 23:45
LMP1
DPI
LMP2

LOL its crazy

DPi have LMP2 chassis underneath.
Seems to me imsa are doing a terrible job to BoP the factory backed DPi cars to level them with the ACO spec LMP2 cars. Makes the factory efforts look good, doesn't it? While pegging private teams with LMP2 cars out of contention...


It is in human nature not to be conformists and break the limits.


Finally.

dault3883
20-07-2017, 23:58
DPi have LMP2 chassis underneath.
Seems to me imsa are doing a terrible job to BoP the factory backed DPi cars to level them with the ACO spec LMP2 cars. Makes the factory efforts look good, doesn't it? While pegging private teams with LMP2 cars out of contention...

all it proves is that the gibson motors are inferior to the Dpi Cadillac motors

hkraft300
21-07-2017, 00:04
all it proves is that the gibson motors are inferior to the Dpi Cadillac motors

Lol serious?
What if the Cadillac cars had to run a smaller restrictor and became slower than the Gibson cars?
Would the Cadillac motors become inferior to the Gibson then?

dault3883
21-07-2017, 00:06
Lol serious?
What if the Cadillac cars had to run a smaller restrictor and became slower than the Gibson cars?
Would the Cadillac motors become inferior to the Gibson then?

well at that point they would be slower which in that perspective would seem inferior :p

breyzipp
21-07-2017, 00:20
I added 2 more championships (so there are 7 in total on the list now) :

* 2017 24H Series powered by Hankook
* 2016–17 Asian Le Mans Series

Does anyone know some more real life multi-class championships (or even single races)? Especially some older ones where the LMP900 / GT1 / Group C / GTO / Group 5 / Group A could be used in. I briefly checked Le Mans around 1988, 1998 and early 2000s but we never really have at least 2 classes that participated. But maybe some racing series in the US I'm not familar with?

dault3883
21-07-2017, 00:25
I added 2 more championships (so there are 7 in total on the list now) :

* 2017 24H Series powered by Hankook
* 2016–17 Asian Le Mans Series

Does anyone know some more real life multi-class championships (or even single races)? Especially some older ones where the LMP900 / GT1 / Group C / GTO / Group 5 / Group A could be used in. I briefly checked Le Mans around 1988, 1998 and early 2000s but we never really have at least 2 classes that participated. But maybe some racing series in the US I'm not familar with?

back when american le mans started they had a race on the texas roval and the that series had the Audi R8 Prototype LMP900 class cars in it

Cheesenium
21-07-2017, 05:43
Are you kidding me? I'm not say about not like to lap slow cars. LMP1 can lap slower class (LMP2 and GTE), but GT4 is very, VERY slower, more than the GTE and GT3 cars; can be as an "mobile chicanes/stones on the track".

GT4 is good for multiclass races where LMP2 (2013 - 2016) LMP3, GT1, GTE or GT3 are the Main Class; but not for races where LMP1 or 2017 spec LMP2 are the Main Class.

So there is a standard for multiclass now?

I really do not understand you as you are being overly serious over a game. Part of the fun with multiclass is the mixture of unorthodox multi class racing. If you think that is silly, then, that is your opinion, not trying to impose your views on me.

And I like those slow rolling road blocks like LMP1 with GT4 or GT3 with Ginetta Junior, they make passing back markers more challenging and strategic.



Under that same commentary of yours, I suppose you would also be one of those ........... players that in case a category of cars (like the LMP1) are relatively easy to drive, then they would modify the race options to increase their difficulty, either deactivating the real aids Of the car, or increasing tire wear...

Always Real assists for me. I would greatly appreciate if you do not accuse me of things I never said.

It is my game, I should have the free reign to play it any way I like as it is set by the developer. Why are you so concern over what I do with my game?


Uh... The Rolex 24 race runs prototypes and GT cars (WEC style) around the Daytona Road Course every year since 1992 ;)

Not with LMP1-H or the WEC format with LMP1-LMP2-GTE.

There is a reason why I dislike having threads like this, you get people like KANETAKER coming to dictate on how you should play the game.

Hell, if I want it, it is my problem of mixing FA-FX-Group C-LMP1 on Daytona Ovals. It is a game at the end of the day, so have fun with it in any way you like. Why so serious?

dault3883
21-07-2017, 06:24
So there is a standard for multiclass now?

I really do not understand you as you are being overly serious over a game. Part of the fun with multiclass is the mixture of unorthodox multi class racing. If you think that is silly, then, that is your opinion, not trying to impose your views on me.

And I like those slow rolling road blocks like LMP1 with GT4 or GT3 with Ginetta Junior, they make passing back markers more challenging and strategic.



Always Real assists for me. I would greatly appreciate if you do not accuse me of things I never said.

It is my game, I should have the free reign to play it any way I like as it is set by the developer. Why are you so concern over what I do with my game?



Not with LMP1-H or the WEC format with LMP1-LMP2-GTE.

There is a reason why I dislike having threads like this, you get people like KANETAKER coming to dictate on how you should play the game.

Hell, if I want it, it is my problem of mixing FA-FX-Group C-LMP1 on Daytona Ovals. It is a game at the end of the day, so have fun with it in any way you like. Why so serious?

i totally agree with you its just a game some people need to relax and just have fun driving the cars what ever they may be like today i took a formula A car around for a few laps at Laguna Seca along with a Mclaren 12C and a Mercedes Benz AMG C coupe DTM touring car

hkraft300
21-07-2017, 07:32
Does anyone know some more real life multi-class championships (or even single races)??

Aus GT championship. Don't run GT3 I believe it is definitely multi-class.
In the 80's before V8SC formed, there were many a group A screaming round Bathurst.




Hell, if I want it, it is my problem of mixing FA-FX-Group C-LMP1 on Daytona Ovals.

Sacrilege! How dare you!

Cheesenium
21-07-2017, 08:26
Aus GT championship. Don't run GT3 I believe it is definitely multi-class.
In the 80's before V8SC formed, there were many a group A screaming round Bathurst.

Aus GT only run GT3s but they might be getting GT4 in near future.

breyzipp
21-07-2017, 08:54
Yeah I found Aus GT yesterday. Indeed only GT3 and way too many tracks missing, if not all of them. :)

If you think about some multi-class championships please give a link or something with a bit more info.

As for those group A at Bathurst, I found the following but for sure we lack the cars to represent this as well :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Tooheys_1000

Cheesenium
21-07-2017, 09:21
Yeah I found Aus GT yesterday. Indeed only GT3 and way too many tracks missing, if not all of them. :)

If you think about some multi-class championships please give a link or something with a bit more info.

As for those group A at Bathurst, I found the following but for sure we lack the cars to represent this as well :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Tooheys_1000

Group A is pretty much what Pcars 2 have. Not much you can do about that.

breyzipp
21-07-2017, 10:21
Group A is pretty much what Pcars 2 have. Not much you can do about that.

Yes I know, but this thread is about multi-class combinations based on real life races or championships. :) So in this example we need a (real life) buddy for Group A and that buddy needs to be in PCARS 2 as well. ;)

bradleyland
21-07-2017, 13:24
The Oreca 03 is one of the LMP2 cars in the game, you can't specifically select it for multiclass races.

Ah, I see.


I got the following from Wikipedia which made me result into thinking our LMP2 class is good enough to represent the Prototype class for the Weathertech championship:

Yeah, I was only joking around because of the current state of affairs in the WT series. The DPi cars are stomping all over the LMP2 cars, so we should use LMP1 to simulate the slaugher... har har har :)


DPi have LMP2 chassis underneath.
Seems to me imsa are doing a terrible job to BoP the factory backed DPi cars to level them with the ACO spec LMP2 cars. Makes the factory efforts look good, doesn't it? While pegging private teams with LMP2 cars out of contention...



Finally.

The problem, as I've seen it explained, is two-fold:

1.) The ACO publishes technical specifications for all classes, but some classes are specifically a "spec" class. LMP2 is a spec class, so neither the teams, nor IMSA are able to change the cars.

2.) DPi is LMP2 based, but manufacturers are able to make quite a few changes. DPi cars are also allowed an "evolution" throughout the season. This gives them a competitive edge over the teams running LMP2.

It's really puzzling to me that IMSA ever thought they could make this work. I can't think of another series that races spec cars against non-spec cars. IMSA's only option is to BoP the shit out of the DPi cars, and the political ramifications of that are extremely risky. There's talk of splitting the classes, which is kind of funny, considering that they're well underway to simplify from P/PC/GTLM/GTD to P/GTLM/GTD.

bradleyland
21-07-2017, 13:27
I had been bringing oddball classes to places it never been like WEC style in Daytona Road Course or NASCAR on Monza Ovals, that is incredibly rewarding to do that.
Uh... The Rolex 24 race runs prototypes and GT cars (WEC style) around the Daytona Road Course every year since 1992 ;)

Not with LMP1-H or the WEC format with LMP1-LMP2-GTE.

Look bud, I don't care how you play the game, but you're getting a bit testy. You said "WEC style", and all I'm pointing out is that IMSA runs multi-class races on the Daytona Road Course. No, the classes aren't LMP1/LMP2/GTE, but that's drawing a pretty tight circle around "WEC style".

Enjoy your game, and don't let anyone (me, Kanetaker, or otherwise) get your panties in a bunch.

STEELJOCKEY
21-07-2017, 13:33
I think you've just given me a list for some videos to do breyzipp.

dault3883
21-07-2017, 13:36
ok every one i think we all need to calm down were starting to take this all a wee bit too seriously. Remember its just a game, and these list Breyzipp has been kind enough to put together for us are just guidelines and suggestions put together in one place for us for convenience

KANETAKER
21-07-2017, 14:16
Why are you so concern over what I do with my game?
You're the C.E.O. of SMS? (instead of Ian) ? O_o ...Or you 're the Mastermind behind all programmers, designers, 3D modelers, and any people that was working too hard for development this very GREAT game?

PD: Even without having tried the game, I already consider PCars 2 as the future WINNER against Forza Motorsport 7 and GT Sports.

dault3883
21-07-2017, 14:18
You're the C.E.O. of SMS? (instead of Ian) ? O_o ...Or you 're the Mastermind behind all programmers, designers, 3D modelers, and any people that was working too hard for development this very GREAT game?

PD: Even without having tried the game, I already consider PCars 2 as the future WINNER against Forza Motorsport 7 and GT Sports.

his game because if he owns a copy of it, then it is his game just like my copy will be my game and yours will be your game you really need to lose the hostility its wearing thin

amazed
21-07-2017, 14:33
At the beginning I thought it was a case of 'lost in translation', but now I think it's a large bag of chips on the shoulder.... ;)

dault3883
21-07-2017, 14:43
At the beginning I thought it was a case of 'lost in translation', but now I think it's a large bag of chips on the shoulder.... ;)

no its been like this with other topics too not just this one

OddTimer
21-07-2017, 14:44
Mixing classes is fun. You can try to recreate a RL championship or just have fun with it and race your favorite cars and classes. For me, the sticky point is the AI. It is always disappointing to see faster cars getting stuck behind slower ones which ends up throwing competitiveness out of the window. Let's see how PCars 2 handles that, fingers crossed.

gaz6k
21-07-2017, 14:49
What about a VLN endurance race at Nurburgring/Nordschliefe combined.
GT3/GT4/Touring cars as TCR class and Clio cup.

dault3883
21-07-2017, 15:04
me for one im going to make a championship of all my favorite tracks

Daytona
long beach
sonoma
Laguna Seca
Watkins glen
Le Mans
Nurburgring
and some others

RacingAtHome
21-07-2017, 23:32
Touring Car Endurance Series (SP3-GT4 (GT4), TCR (TC), A3, CUP1, A2 (Clio Cup), D1)
Round 1: Silverstone (31st March)
Round 2: Magny Cours *Replace with Algarve?* (21st April?)
Round 3: Misano *Replace with Imola?* (7th July?)
Round 4: Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya (2nd September?)
Round 5: Spa (7th October?)

breyzipp
22-07-2017, 01:39
Touring Car Endurance Series (SP3-GT4 (GT4), TCR (TC), A3, CUP1, A2 (Clio Cup), D1)
Round 1: Silverstone (31st March)
Round 2: Magny Cours *Replace with Algarve?* (21st April?)
Round 3: Misano *Replace with Imola?* (7th July?)
Round 4: Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya (2nd September?)
Round 5: Spa (7th October?)

Great! Will add it tomorrow.

Cheesenium
22-07-2017, 02:54
You're the C.E.O. of SMS? (instead of Ian) ? O_o ...Or you 're the Mastermind behind all programmers, designers, 3D modelers, and any people that was working too hard for development this very GREAT game?


I really not sure what's up with you, the reason I called you out because you are being so uptight over what to put in multiclass and as if what I put in my classes bother you. If you want full authenticity, by all means go ahead but please do not criticise other people's combination because you did not like it.

I will still be putting GT4 against LMP1 till the end of time. That is my copy of the game which I can do anything I like about it.



PD: Even without having tried the game, I already consider PCars 2 as the future WINNER against Forza Motorsport 7 and GT Sports.

Calling Pcars 2 the future winner without even playing the game is a bit too early and setting your expectations too high which it is extremely likely to disappoint you. It is a good racing game but there are bound to have some flaws with the final game despite I think the launch will be in a much better state than Pcars 1.

Also, I think both FM7 and GTS have their own strengths. No game in the market is perfect and it would be nice if you leave these idiotic "Game X is better than Y" or "Game Z is the winner of the genre" tribalism garbage out of the forums.

dault3883
22-07-2017, 04:18
Exactly you have to find the points of the game you like. I never thought i would like my F1 2014 game just because of the first bit of playing it, so went back to my F1 2012 game. But today i sate down and with determination i went to work on the 2014 game and now have won my first race on it. First impressions can be deceiving. you have to Dig deep and accept the challenge for what it is and try to beat that challenge. Thats half the fun it can be frustrating but when you accomplish it its so satisfying.

i love all racing games i have racing games ranging from nascar, indycar, Gran turismo, project cars, Le Mans 24 hours, Motocross games, dirt track racing games, motogp, Baja, Monster truck, All three GRID games, even down to Street racing games like Need for speed they all present their own challenges and are all fun if you limit your self to just one racing game you are missing out in my opinion.

breyzipp
22-07-2017, 14:19
Touring Car Endurance Series (SP3-GT4 (GT4), TCR (TC), A3, CUP1, A2 (Clio Cup), D1)
Round 1: Silverstone (31st March)
Round 2: Magny Cours *Replace with Algarve?* (21st April?)
Round 3: Misano *Replace with Imola?* (7th July?)
Round 4: Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya (2nd September?)
Round 5: Spa (7th October?)

Ok I added this now but isn't it better to just replace Magny Cours with Bugatti? Then it stays domestic in France and I think Bugatti represents it better than Algarve since Algarve has these big elevation changes.
I also added Cadwell Park as a geographical replacement for Rockingham in that British GT championship (kept Daytona as the suggested technical replacement). It's a completely different type of track but since all UK based tracks were already in that championship it was either Cadwell or Lydden Hill, but the latter is just too short IMO and also on a hill.

Ok so far we have 8 championships, 4 of which the highest class is a prototype and 4 of which it's a GT car. Looking good so far! I have assorted them also from most powerful series to weakest series so WEC on top and that Hankook Touring car series at the bottom.

The one I'm looking forward to the most would be 24h Hankook for sure (GT3, GT4, TC, TC1). That's a great class combination and that series also includes Portimao which no doubt will become one of my favorite circuits. ;)

There is one bit of info still lacking though to recreate all these races and that is the starting time for the main race (and maybe also qualifying and practice). :P IMO also really important to represent these championships as accurate as possible. Since PCARS 2 will do such a great job with accurate position of the sun and the dynamic time of day it would be silly to not set it accurately. But I'll look that up later. The weather I'm not so much interested in, I would actually prefer to keep that random since you can never set the correct weather accurate anyway with these 1-hour slots.

hkraft300
22-07-2017, 14:55
If you come across it, you could do alternate track choices?

Eg: round x, track y by location (alternate track z by track similarity)
If you can't decide which to list, list them both :)

Jorge_pzg
22-07-2017, 20:15
Hi! I created something similar but with PCars 1, if you want you could take a look and add some championships ;) :

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?47910-Real-championships-database

breyzipp
22-07-2017, 21:21
Hi! I created something similar but with PCars 1, if you want you could take a look and add some championships ;) :

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?47910-Real-championships-database

Thanks! I'll check it out later in detail. Quickly skimmed through it and that Pirelli World Challenge seems like something useful! We only have 5 of the 11 circuits at first sight but think we might be able to make something out of that. Probably will have to run some American circuits twice or replace with non-domestic though.

maTech
23-07-2017, 08:28
Just want to say thank you breyzipp for your efforts. I like your lists and it will help me a lot to recreate some series very fast :-)

RacingAtHome
23-07-2017, 13:06
Ok I added this now but isn't it better to just replace Magny Cours with Bugatti? Then it stays domestic in France and I think Bugatti represents it better than Algarve since Algarve has these big elevation changes.
I also added Cadwell Park as a geographical replacement for Rockingham in that British GT championship (kept Daytona as the suggested technical replacement). It's a completely different type of track but since all UK based tracks were already in that championship it was either Cadwell or Lydden Hill, but the latter is just too short IMO and also on a hill.

Yeah. I'd agree. I was more thinking of the long Turn 3 being like the final corner at Algarve but I'd agree that it is actually better.


The one I'm looking forward to the most would be 24h Hankook for sure (GT3, GT4, TC, TC1). That's a great class combination and that series also includes Portimao which no doubt will become one of my favorite circuits. ;)
Agreed on the Hankook ones. Did a Touring Car Multiclass in PC1 yesterday in the Clio Cup and it was really fun. Despite my fronts falling off a cliff after 15 minutes.

breyzipp
23-07-2017, 13:41
2017 Pirelli World Challenge added. It's just possible to keep this domestic in the USA with all the missing tracks. :) And replacing Canada Mosport park with Brands Hatch again.

breyzipp
23-07-2017, 14:09
Found another beauty!

When I was watching the 24h of Le Mans on TV this year I really enjoyed the LMP3/GT3 support race as well, just thought about that one, looked it up and apparently it's also part of a championship, the 2017 Michelin Le Mans Cup (LMP3 & GT3 multi-class). That seems to be a support race for the European Le Mans series except it doesn't go to Silverstone and of course in June it's at Le Mans doing 2 races of 55 minutes each that week. You can also see that (apart from the Le Mans week) the races are always 1 day sooner than those of the European Le Mans series. If you can run 2 multi-class championships parallel in PCARS2 then combining both could be really fun as well. You can for example drive an LMP in one championship and a GT in the other one. Also really interesting is that from both championships we only lack the Paul Ricard circuit, lol we really need this circuit in PCARS2. :p

dault3883
23-07-2017, 14:13
Found another beauty!

When I was watching the 24h of Le Mans on TV this year I really enjoyed the LMP3/GT3 support race as well, just thought about that one, looked it up and apparently it's also part of a championship, the 2017 Michelin Le Mans Cup (LMP3 & GT3 multi-class). That seems to be a support race for the European Le Mans series except it doesn't go to Silverstone and of course in June it's at Le Mans doing 2 races of 55 minutes each that week. You can also see that (apart from the Le Mans week) the races are always 1 day sooner than those of the European Le Mans series. If you can run 2 multi-class championships parallel in PCARS2 then combining both could be really fun as well. You can for example drive an LMP in one championship and a GT in the other one. Also really interesting is that from both championships we only lack the Paul Ricard circuit, lol we really need this circuit in PCARS2. :p

yep and the series is mostly prototypes it had all of 3 gt cars in yesterdays race LOL european le mans series is pretty much the same. watching the redbull ring race for le mans series now and in a grid of 36 cars 6 are gte cars and the rest a mixture of LMP2 and LMP3 cars

without audi in prototypes iv kinda lost my taste for prototype racing if theyre not IMSA DPI's just because im used to that series

breyzipp
23-07-2017, 14:23
yep and the series is mostly prototypes it had all of 3 gt cars in yesterdays race LOL european le mans series is pretty much the same. watching the redbull ring race for le mans series now and in a grid of 36 cars 6 are gte cars and the rest a mixture of LMP2 and LMP3 cars

without audi in prototypes iv kinda lost my taste for prototype racing if theyre not IMSA DPI's just because im used to that series

I first thought LMP1 would be on the decline as well but it seems 2018 will get some boosts again. Not from the manufacturer LMP1 hybrid classes (I assume it will be Porsche and Toyota again) but LMP1-L will see a couple of new privateer teams joining Bykolles. Just Google for "2018 lmp1" and you will find some interesting articles. Some headliner quotes :

With the news today that Perrinn is set to have a pair of LMP1 chassis on the WEC grid next year...
British manufacturer Ginetta has revealed the pricing structure and service packages for its 2018 LMP1 car
Russian squad BR Engineering says work on its all-new 2018 LMP1 car, the BR1, is well underway
Perrinn LMP1 Project Returns, Two Cars Sold for 2018 ... priced at £1.2 million ($1.56 million), which is cheaper than Ginetta's similar 2018 LMP1 car which will cost £1.34 million ($1.74 million)

Would be very interesting to see that LMP1-L battle in action next year and what the speed difference will be towards the LMP1-H's and the LMP2s.

dault3883
23-07-2017, 14:30
iv always loved GTE racing and have grown to love GT3 racing too its so close quarters they dont spread out as much as LMP cars do

RacingAtHome
23-07-2017, 14:43
I first thought LMP1 would be on the decline as well but it seems 2018 will get some boosts again. Not from the manufacturer LMP1 hybrid classes (I assume it will be Porsche and Toyota again) but LMP1-L will see a couple of new privateer teams joining Bykolles. Just Google for "2018 lmp1" and you will find some interesting articles. Some headliner quotes :

With the news today that Perrinn is set to have a pair of LMP1 chassis on the WEC grid next year...
British manufacturer Ginetta has revealed the pricing structure and service packages for its 2018 LMP1 car
Russian squad BR Engineering says work on its all-new 2018 LMP1 car, the BR1, is well underway
Perrinn LMP1 Project Returns, Two Cars Sold for 2018 ... priced at £1.2 million ($1.56 million), which is cheaper than Ginetta's similar 2018 LMP1 car which will cost £1.34 million ($1.74 million)

Would be very interesting to see that LMP1-L battle in action next year and what the speed difference will be towards the LMP1-H's and the LMP2s.

I've followed the Perrinn project for a few years now and I'm really interested in what they provide on circuit it just looks like the type of car that should be in game. Designed by people, raced on circuit and put in a game for people to race. It's like if Marek or RWD raced.

breyzipp
25-07-2017, 22:38
I updated the first championship (FIA WEC) to a new format with some more info : (other championships = WIP)

* Added info for standing start / rolling start (championship).
* Added a link to the resource info (championship).
* Added the day of the week and starting hour to the date (individual races).
* used the 2016 season instead of 2017. In this case it has the same tracks anyway but a) all that info is already available and b) PCARS 2 is mostly designed based on 2016 cars & tracks anyway so it's in fact a little more accurate than using a 2017 championship. I will use the 2016 season for more championships unless a circuit we have in-game would drop out (like for example the European Le Mans series races in Portimao instead of Estoril from the 2017 season on so there the 2017 season is definitely a keeper).

If you have any comments, suggestions or improvements let me know.

I've been thinking of adding all the practice and qualifying info as well (starting date/hour and duration) but I doubt we can all reproduce that accurately in the game. For example the FIA WEC uses the following :
- FP1, FP2, FP3, Q (GTE), Q (LMP), RACE (= for all rounds except Le Mans)
- FP, Q1, Q2, Q3, WARM UP, RACE (for Le Mans round)
So not sure yet to do with that, for now I just left that info out.

breyzipp
26-07-2017, 19:39
Race times added for European & Asian Le Mans series.

OddTimer
26-07-2017, 19:51
Loving this topic! Thanks for adding starting time and day!

GenBrien
26-07-2017, 22:25
is there a championship that used the combined track of the nurburgring + nordschleife

Tank621
26-07-2017, 22:32
is there a championship that used the combined track of the nurburgring + nordschleife

Does VLN or the 24 hour race not use it? I can't remember
I know the WTCC does a multiclass race with the ETCC on the combined circuit

dault3883
26-07-2017, 22:35
Does VLN or the 24 hour race not use it? I can't remember
I know the WTCC does a multiclass race with the ETCC on the combined circuit

i think VLN does there are a few i know the 24 hours of Nurburgring is done on a combination of both circuits

breyzipp
26-07-2017, 22:37
is there a championship that used the combined track of the nurburgring + nordschleife

I know one of the touring car championships uses it (Nordschleife + GP strekke) as I watched it on Eurosport TV but not sure if it's WTCC or ETCC or BTCC or WTFTCC tbh. :)

Actually speaking of such, I think it was WTCC and ETCC together in multi-class. Not sure we can reproduce that in PC2 though, unless there are Clio Cups somewhere in the lower ranks I doubt it.

Edit :

WTCC : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_World_Touring_Car_Championship
ETCC : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_European_Touring_Car_Cup

We cannot do that multi-class race in PC2 as it seems WTCC is "WTCC" and "TC1" cars and ETCC seems to be "TCR" cars (like our Astra but it isn't there).

I don't know too much about touring car championships tbh but with the limited options we have in PC2 in regards to modern touring cars I don't think we can run WTCC+ETCC as multiclass.


Edit 2 - lol ok seems Tank beat me by 5 mins. :P

gaz6k
27-07-2017, 13:08
VLN Series.
Looks like no one read my post on page 7 regarding this.

Madkart
27-07-2017, 16:28
VLN Series.
Looks like no one read my post on page 7 regarding this.

That'd be awesome!

breyzipp
27-07-2017, 17:16
VLN Series.
Looks like no one read my post on page 7 regarding this.

Hey my apologies gaz6k, I totally missed that post. So I'm not familiar with VLN. Quickly looked up some info and that entire championship is 9 times on the combined nurburgring nordschleife + GP circuit then? With GT3-4-TC-TC1?

http://www.nuerburgring.de/en/events-tickets/automobile/vln.html
http://vln.de/en/season/2017/calendar/index.html

Not my cup of tea for track selection but I know a lot of people enjoy the Nordschleife much more than I do. :) Will add it as well after looking up some additional info.

Thanks!


For the record they use the Nordschleife + sprintstrecke (including Meredes Arena and through the motorcycle chicane instead of F1 chicane) as you can see from the start of this video :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU9iCWudmCk

We don't have that track in the game. :) Ofc. our combined circuit is the recommended one.

These are all the Nurburgring combined circuits I have on my XBox One racing games :

1. Nordschleife + Grand Prix Circuit (25,963 km) (Forza 5)
2. Nordschleife + Grand Prix Circuit (No Mercedes Arena) (25,393 km) (Forza 6)
3. Nordschleife + Grand Prix Circuit (No Mercedes Arena) (Motorcycle Chicane) (25,382 km) (Project CARS 1, Assetto Corsa)
4. Nordschleife + Sprintstrecke (Motorcycle Chicane) (24,433 km) (Assetto Corsa)

The one used for VLN is the last one.

breyzipp
27-07-2017, 23:21
I added the VLN series. Ooh boy what a crazy mix of cars. :)

Apparently a single R.S.01 ran in the 2017 season as well (in SPX), so... you could add that class. :)
Lots of GT3 cars (SP9).
Fewer GT4 class cars (SP10) but some Porsche Cayman GT4s and KTM X-Bow GT4s run in their own Cup class.
About a dozen touring cars (TCR), a few Clio Cups (SP3)
A LOT of Porsche 911 GT3 Cup and BMW M235i Racing Cup cars, honestly we seriously need both in the game.
A bunch of older cars in H-class.
A bunch of road cars in V-class.

Apparently this is raced with 186 cars at once. :) They do 3 different bursts of rolling starts (first GT3, then Porsche Cup and GT4, then M235i and the road cars), pretty cool to see. :)

Even though I don't care too much for the Nordschleife, this must be a fun race to reproduce but a lot depends on what the maximum grid size is that you can select. Either way I'll give it a try in a couple of months. :) Thanks for suggesting the series!

Taurus84_SK
01-08-2017, 08:44
breyzipp thank you for this MEGA-post! A few weeks ago i found out, that i like watching the races while actually racing them myself. Currently i'm trying to find the best in-game classes to stream the next race of IMSA WeatherTech SC (Road America) this weekend (although in the first pCars game). Looking on the results of 2016 qualifying (https://sportscarchampionship.imsa.com/schedule-results/current-results?eventid=51&sessid=168) the LMP1 class seems to be too quick (1:50-1:52) even for the P class, the LMP2s are spot on with the PC class (around 2:00) and i tested only the RUF RGT-8 GT3 and the time (with default setup) was 1:58.5xx so it's like the GTD class. Today i'm gonna test 6 cars from GT1 mod (Nissan GTR GT1, Maserati MC12 GT1, Lamborghini Murcielago R-SV GT1, Matech Ford GT GT1, Chevy Corvette C6R GT1, Aston Martin DBR9) and based on the result i may try the LMP3 class (Prototype 2) and it will be LMP1-LMP2-GT1mod-GT3 or LMP2-LMP3-GT1-GT3 (or without the mod whatsoever)

BTT - i know you had to put more than a little time to researching this, so thank you again!

Machinist90
01-08-2017, 10:27
the way pcars 2 randomizes its grid makes GT3 races unrealistic with old SLS's,Z4's,renaults and Cadillac (at this point) I hope that changes,for LMP1 races the car list is incomplete,2 fictional LMP's,1 recent and 1 old lmp...I keep my multiclass racing in pcars 1

doodleco
01-08-2017, 10:59
"2017 Touring Car Endurance Series powered by Hankook (SP3 (=GT4) / TCR (~TC) / A3 / CUP1 / A2 (incl. TC1)/ D1)
Round 1 - 24H Silverstone (Dubai Autodrome / 31 March–1 April)"

Wouldn't it make more sense to run the Silverstone round at Silverstone?
Guessing this was a copy/paste mistake? lol

breyzipp
01-08-2017, 13:18
"2017 Touring Car Endurance Series powered by Hankook (SP3 (=GT4) / TCR (~TC) / A3 / CUP1 / A2 (incl. TC1)/ D1)
Round 1 - 24H Silverstone (Dubai Autodrome / 31 March–1 April)"

Wouldn't it make more sense to run the Silverstone round at Silverstone?
Guessing this was a copy/paste mistake? lol

Thanks, copy/paste error indeed. Corrected it :)

Tank621
10-08-2017, 11:29
2017 British GT Championship (GT3 / GT4)
Round 1 - 60 mins (Oulton Park / 15 April) (*)
Round 2 - 60 mins (Oulton Park / 15 April) (*)
Round 3 - 120 mins (Rockingham / 29 April)
Round 4 - 60 mins (Snetterton / 27 May) (*)
Round 5 - 60 mins (Snetterton / 27 May) (*)
Round 6 - 180 mins (Silverstone Circuit / 10 June)
Round 7 - 60 mins (Spa-Francorchamps / 7 July) (*)
Round 8 - 60 mins (Spa-Francorchamps / 7 July) (*)
Round 9 - 120 mins (Brands Hatch / 5 August)
Round 10 - 120 mins (Donington Park / 23 September)
(*) = multiple rounds on the same day

Suggested classes for Project CARS 2 :
GT3 / GT4

Suggested tracks for Project CARS 2 :
Replace Rockingham with Cadwell Park (geographically closer) or Daytona (technically closer).


Just a quick suggestion to change the Daytona recommendation to Indianapolis GP because Rockingham is a quite a flat Roval so is Indy is probably closer in terms of layout

RacingAtHome
10-08-2017, 11:51
Just a quick suggestion to change the Daytona recommendation to Indianapolis GP because Rockingham is a quite a flat Roval so is Indy is probably closer in terms of layout

Actually, that sounds better. And a larger portion of the road course cuts out the oval like Rockingham. #WhyDidntIThinkOfThat

breyzipp
10-08-2017, 12:38
Updated!

snipeme77
10-08-2017, 13:12
British GT (GT3 and GT4)
Round 1 - Oulton Park (15th April)
Round 2 - Oulton Park (15th April)
Round 3 - Rockingham *Replace with Daytona* (29th April)
Round 4 - Snetterton 300 (27th May)
Round 5 - Snetterton 300 (27th May)
Round 6 - Silverstone GP (10th June)
Round 7 - Spa (7th July)
Round 8 - Spa (7th July)
Round 9 - Brands GP (5th August)
Round 10 - Donington Park GP (23rd September)

Super GT (GT500/GT300)
Round 1 - Okayama *Replace with Red Bull Ring* (9th April)
Round 2 - Fuji Speedway (May 4th)
Round 3 - Autopolis *Replace with Dubai Autodrome* (May 21st)
Round 4 - Sugo (July 23rd)
Round 5 - Fuji Speedway (August 6th)
Round 6 - Suzuka *Replace with Sakitto* (August 27th)
Round 7 - Buriram *Replace with Zhuhai* (October 8th)
Round 8 - Motegi *Replace with Brno* (November 12th)

PC2 Classes - GT1 or GTE? and GT3

Super GT500 has the same speed as a 2014 LMP1 car, so use LMP1 and GT3 for a Super GT experience

breyzipp
10-08-2017, 14:28
IMO missing the entire car roster and more than half the tracks makes it too far away from the real deal and not worthwhile. Once SMS starts adding Super GT cars then that's another story but for now I prefer to leave it out of the list.

Also speed isn't everything, if I drive an LMP1 I wi surely not get the feeling as if I'm in a GT500.

Ferrari-GT
10-08-2017, 16:52
Maybe a stupid question: Is this list also for Ofline racing with AI cars or only Online racing with other members?

snipeme77
10-08-2017, 16:57
IMO missing the entire car roster and more than half the tracks makes it too far away from the real deal and not worthwhile. Once SMS starts adding Super GT cars then that's another story but for now I prefer to leave it out of the list.

Also speed isn't everything, if I drive an LMP1 I wi surely not get the feeling as if I'm in a GT500.

Eh I'll be doing it either way, and that's a pretty solid replacement track list.

Honestly you might, apart from visibility and the hybrid drive system I hear their supposed to be very similar to drive. They make about the same power when LMP isn't using its hybrid system, they have similar amounts of downforce, GT500 do weigh a bit more but have wider tires to compensate, it's kind of like a GTS car from the 90's IMSA days. A prototype with a streetcar body on it.

I do hope SMS brings some Super GT machines into Pcars 2. I've been addicted to watching the races on YouTube and it's absolutely the best racing in the world right now, with the most interesting car choice to boot. You can have GT3 cars, a Daytona Prototype, a pair of 800 horsepower Prius', and a handful of cars that have never been seen outside of Japan all racing in the same class. And then have the Super GT500 cars which are rocket ships on wheels that harken back to the Group 5, GTO days, out on the same track. 4 cylinder turbo charged motors with the extremely pumped up body work. They look and sound way better than any prototype today.

Tank621
10-08-2017, 17:07
Actually now I think about it, do we have any cars with similar performance to IMSA GTU? I know we don't have any actual GTU cars but if we have anything with similar-ish performance it would be great for recreating some classic IMSA races with the GTO and GTPs that we do have

snipeme77
10-08-2017, 17:11
Actually now I think about it, do we have any cars with similar performance to IMSA GTU? I know we don't have any actual GTU cars but if we have anything with similar-ish performance it would be great for recreating some classic IMSA races with the GTO and GTPs that we do have

Retro Group A is probably as close as your going to get sadly.

Tank621
10-08-2017, 17:22
Retro Group A is probably as close as your going to get sadly.

Yeah I was thinking what would be best between Vintage GT A, Group 4 and Group A. I did briefly consider Group 5 but those used to be top tier until GTP so that wouldn't make sense

Ferrari-GT
10-08-2017, 17:45
Maybe a stupid question: Is this list also for Ofline racing with AI cars or only Online racing with other members?

Tank621
10-08-2017, 18:45
Maybe a stupid question: Is this list also for Ofline racing with AI cars or only Online racing with other members?

Multiclass is available both on and offiline so you can use this list for both
But if you're doing a custom championship you're limted to online only

Itsdoomsday48
10-08-2017, 19:47
Multiclass is available both on and offiline so you can use this list for both
But if you're doing a custom championship you're limted to online only

I so wish they would consider having custom championship offline

Tank621
10-08-2017, 19:57
I so wish they would consider having custom championship offline

The devs are very aware that this is a highly requested feature but in the meantime I think career mode has more than enough options to fufill (at least my) single player championship needs

Ferrari-GT
10-08-2017, 20:31
Like same on GTA game, most updates or gamefacility if only for online users. Shame :( Ofline users would also like to play a all championship, not just 1 race. But now in Project Cars 1 you couldn't not select LMP1 LMP2 and GT cars in same race like 24H LeMans. Because hen you did Multi-class, they did Multi LMP cars, OR Multi GT cars. Not together

Ferrari-GT
10-08-2017, 20:36
The devs are very aware that this is a highly requested feature but in the meantime I think career mode has more than enough options to fufill (at least my) single player championship needs
I also prefer custom championships, that you can make your own championship calender, but on PC1 the career mode was very dissapointed for me. Some of only 3 a 5 races in 1 championship ??? For me a season stands for 20 grand prix, like F1 :) not 5 Grand Prix a season.

Tank621
10-08-2017, 20:59
I also prefer custom championships, that you can make your own championship calender, but on PC1 the career mode was very dissapointed for me. Some of only 3 a 5 races in 1 championship ??? For me a season stands for 20 grand prix, like F1 :) not 5 Grand Prix a season.

Remember the Formula A championship, it had 19 rounds I think in PC1. Career is significantly improved for PC2 too with choices of long and short seasons being only one of numerous improvements

breyzipp
10-08-2017, 22:59
Eh I'll be doing it either way, and that's a pretty solid replacement track list.

Honestly you might, apart from visibility and the hybrid drive system I hear their supposed to be very similar to drive. They make about the same power when LMP isn't using its hybrid system, they have similar amounts of downforce, GT500 do weigh a bit more but have wider tires to compensate, it's kind of like a GTS car from the 90's IMSA days. A prototype with a streetcar body on it.

I do hope SMS brings some Super GT machines into Pcars 2. I've been addicted to watching the races on YouTube and it's absolutely the best racing in the world right now, with the most interesting car choice to boot. You can have GT3 cars, a Daytona Prototype, a pair of 800 horsepower Prius', and a handful of cars that have never been seen outside of Japan all racing in the same class. And then have the Super GT500 cars which are rocket ships on wheels that harken back to the Group 5, GTO days, out on the same track. 4 cylinder turbo charged motors with the extremely pumped up body work. They look and sound way better than any prototype today.

Yeah but again, I will never get the feeling of driving a GT car when inside a prototype. The view is much more obstructed, mirrors are placed different, engine sound is very different as well. And handling characteristics should be different as well since the silhouette is so very different between both.

But as you said yourself, you can mix and match anything you like, that's the fun thing about the multiclass system. ;)

breyzipp
10-08-2017, 23:03
The devs are very aware that this is a highly requested feature but in the meantime I think career mode has more than enough options to fufill (at least my) single player championship needs

Yep same here, if the length of the PC1 career mode is anything to go by with, if SMS would patch in offline custom championships a year after the game ships I think that is still well in time for me. :P

How many manufacturers did Stephen Viljoen said there would be affinity to be gained with? 12 or something? That will keep you busy for quite some time as well. I just hope Mazda isn't one of them (unless we get new Mazda's via DLC) since I have no desire to go sideways in that Radbull. :p

Tank621
10-08-2017, 23:07
Yep same here, if the length of the PC1 career mode is anything to go by with, if SMS would patch in offline custom championships a year after the game ships I think that is still well in time for me. :P

How many manufacturers did Stephen Viljoen said there would be affinity to be gained with? 12 or something? That will keep you busy for quite some time as well. I just hope Mazda isn't one of them (unless we get new Mazda's via DLC) since I have no desire to go sideways in that Radbull. :p

Hmm I'm not sure he gave a specific number but I'm sure some the career mode videos might give a hint
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Looks like 14 at the moment, and definitely all manufacturers with multiple cars present in game

And now I've looked a bit further it seems that Cadwell Park is integrated into the Ginetta manufacterer drive

hkraft300
11-08-2017, 00:39
Super GT500 has the same speed as a 2014 LMP1 car, so use LMP1 and GT3 for a Super GT experience

SGT do use GT3 cars in their GT300 class.

2017 GT500 cars are ~1 second slower at Fuji than 2014 LMP1H cars.
SGT are actually a carbon tub silhouette formula like DTM.
And if you're using LMP and GT cars at Japanese tracks, you end up with Asian LMS, no? :p
BUT there's nothing stopping you running an SGT series however you see fit :)

breyzipp
11-08-2017, 06:44
Hmm I'm not sure he gave a specific number but I'm sure some the career mode videos might give a hint
239455

Looks like 14 at the moment, and definitely all manufacturers with multiple cars present in game

And now I've looked a bit further it seems that Cadwell Park is integrated into the Ginetta manufacterer drive

Looks great!

STEELJOCKEY
11-08-2017, 10:18
Hey breyzipp, seems pretty much all of you OP list is GTs, LMPs with a small mix of other stuff sharing the grid. Anyone done some research on races with other class cars? Just looking for some ideas for videos.

breyzipp
11-08-2017, 10:32
Hey breyzipp, seems pretty much all of you OP list is GTs, LMPs with a small mix of other stuff sharing the grid. Anyone done some research on races with other class cars? Just looking for some ideas for videos.

I only did a quick look if I could find something with Group C, GTO, GT1, Group A, Group 6 or some of the older classes in it but I never found something of which we have the classes in the game. But I mainly only looked at Le Mans in the past. Maybe I should have a look at older IMSA races.

I also had the impression that multiclass racing wasn't as common in the past as it is now.

If anyone finds some older multiclass championships (or even single races) we could recreate let us know!

PS - I will try to update a couple more championships this weekend (add the racing time info).

Tank621
11-08-2017, 10:43
Have a look a the IMSA GT calendars
1987 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_IMSA_GT_Championship
1988 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_IMSA_GT_Championship
1989 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_IMSA_GT_Championship

They are a bit of a mess with all the rounds having different combinations of classes and sometimes in seperate races at the same event

I would also recommend having a look at DRM (precursor to DTM) which used Group 2, 4, 5, 6 and C throughout its history https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Rennsport_Meisterschaft honestly I don't know too much about the series and I can't easily find info for any specific seasons

And of course the World Sportscar Championship https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Sportscar_Championship

Quite a few of them used classes we don't have so we could replace with something similar or just use the classes we do have

I looked at Le Mans races but the late 80s races were all Group C/GTP with maybe 1 or 2 GTX/Group 5 cars (usually 935s)

That'll keep you busy for a week or so Haha

seb02
11-08-2017, 14:56
I also prefer custom championships, that you can make your own championship calender, but on PC1 the career mode was very dissapointed for me. Some of only 3 a 5 races in 1 championship ??? For me a season stands for 20 grand prix, like F1 :) not 5 Grand Prix a season.

I agree. An offline custom championship is more interesting to me than the career mode. Currently there are no Stockcars, GTO, Group C, GT1... Championship. in career mode. So a custom offline championship could allow this. I know that the devs are aware that this mode is requested but it is not known if it will be realized. Asseto Corsa has it, it would be a good addition to PC2.

Ferrari-GT
11-08-2017, 20:13
yes but if PC2 come out 22 septembre, is there still the time for changes? Or is it nowdays true DLC online? :) i don't know such a thing on games. I only play PS4 because my computer is not high enough

Tank621
11-08-2017, 20:26
yes but if PC2 come out 22 septembre, is there still the time for changes? Or is it nowdays true DLC online? :) i don't know such a thing on games. I only play PS4 because my computer is not high enough

There is still time for changes even after release. They are not going to forget about the game once it's released

cxMilk
12-08-2017, 02:31
And now I've looked a bit further it seems that Cadwell Park is integrated into the Ginetta manufacterer drive
Thank you!! :yes:

Mattze
12-08-2017, 17:12
I guess this thread only relates to multi-class racing, right? I'm thinking about some single-class championships, which are perfectly reproducible with PC2. Maybe we should discuss this in a new thread.

Tank621
12-08-2017, 17:36
Groups 4, 5 and 6 will be good historic combinations for late 70s early 80s endurance rounds. 1979 6 hours of Silverstone used all 3 as did other rounds of the WSC
Which would fit with the circuit layout we have, hopefully the grid size might be a little bit bigger

Tank621
13-08-2017, 10:35
I've had a look at IMSA GT from 1989-94 (best fit for the cars we have) Sears Point is Sonoma
Here's the 1990 calendar (best fit for tracks we have)
GT= GTO and GTU
Proto= GTP and Lights
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The problem is that in most of the rounds the GTs and Prototypes raced in seperate races and we don't have GTUs or Prototype Lights so it's not really going to be multiclass racing unless we use substitutes for those classes


Also I've been looking at LeMans but that was all prototype until 1993. But the whole mid 90s are confusing beyond belief with FIA sportscars, Pre 1991 Group C/GTP, IMSA world sports cars and GTs all being used in 1993.
1994 has World Sportscars, P2, GT1, GT2, and GTS
So for all intensive purposes you could use Group C, LMP900 (ingame class has World Sports Cars), GT1 and GTO (Ingame class has GTS) all together and create something that does almost resemble the 1993/4 24 hours of LeMans.

Trippul G
13-08-2017, 14:03
So for all intensive purposes you could use Group C, LMP900 (ingame class has World Sports Cars), GT1 and GTO (Ingame class has GTS) all together and create something that does almost resemble the 1993/4 24 hours of LeMans.

Sorry, but I'm going to have to be "that guy"...
http://grammarist.com/eggcorns/for-all-intensive-purposes/

*ducks for cover, runs for the door*

Tank621
13-08-2017, 14:25
Sorry, but I'm going to have to be "that guy"...
http://grammarist.com/eggcorns/for-all-intensive-purposes/

*ducks for cover, runs for the door*

Huh, I did not know that.

It is wierd how common phrases get slightly misrepeated, I think my favourite mistaken phrases are 'Chickens coming home to roast (roost)' or 'damp squid (squib)'

amazed
13-08-2017, 14:42
Love Chickens coming home to Roast, slightly different to Roost! One letter makes all the difference... :D

Trippul G
13-08-2017, 16:09
Glad you were able to take my comment in stride...I try not to be nit-picky over such things, but sometimes I can't help myself.

I think the one that gets me the most when I see it is using "of" in place of "have", as in "could of", "would of", "shouldn't of" instead of "could HAVE", "would HAVE", or "shouldn't HAVE". Makes my brain want to explode.

Irregardless, making so many corrections is a tough road to hoe, since as we all know, it's a doggy dog world out there. ;)

breyzipp
13-08-2017, 23:25
Hey Tank I'll try to look into that info tuesday, been quite a busy weekend and didn't have time to update the thread some more. And Monday I'm not home either.

Tank621
14-08-2017, 10:25
I might have a little bit more to add
The Nurburgring 1000 Km which in 1982 had cars from loads of different classes:
Group C
Group B
Group 6 - Sports Cars
Group 5
Group 4 - Grand Touring
Group 3 - GT Series
Group 2 - Touring
IMSA GTO
IMSA GTU

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Nurburgring-1982-05-30.html

Whilst the dates for some of the classes don't align with our in game classes there are some interesting combinations we could try

Kelderek
14-08-2017, 10:40
I might have a little bit more to add
The Nurburgring 1000 Km which in 1982 had cars from loads of different classes:
Group C
Group B
Group 6 - Sports Cars
Group 5
Group 4 - Grand Touring
Group 3 - GT Series
Group 2 - Touring
IMSA GTO
IMSA GTU

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Nurburgring-1982-05-30.html

Whilst the dates for some of the classes don't align with our in game classes there are some interesting combinations we could try

Hmm... we really need more than four classes simultaneously in multi-class racing :eek:
Start coding, SMS! ;)

breyzipp
14-08-2017, 19:30
For me personally I think for the multiclass races with the olders cars I'll take things less strickly because the groups are harder to find and match, the versions of the circuits are more the historical ones etc. So you can probably mix the 80s cars like group C, GTO & Group A perfectly (I would still race those on modern circuits just assuming it will be an exhibition championship). Or go more 60s/70s and mix group 6, group 5 and vintage touring & GT and for that use the classic circuits more. Kinda like fictional championships but with the classic cars and tracks true to their era.

breyzipp
14-08-2017, 19:48
I looked quickly at the car years in the car classes, you could use the following for fictional multiclasses :

(1) middle 1950s - Vintage GT C / Vintage GT D
(2) late 1960s & early 1970s - Vintage prototype B / Vintage GT A / Vintage GT B
(3) late 1970s & early 1980s - group 6 / group 5 / group 4
(4) late 1980s & early 1990s - group C / GTO / group A
(5) late 1990s & early 2000s - LMP900 / GT1 / GTO

(GTO is a bit of a wide span in PCARS 2 with the oldest car being from 1989 and the youngest from 1999)

Honestly I think that is about it for the maximum amount of historic and retro multiclass races we could do because otherwise the eras don't match.

then the historic tracks : (see the confirmed track list for the dates)
classic Spa : for (1) (2) (3)
classic Monza (all 3 combinations) : for (1) (2)
classic Rouen (long) : for (1) (2)
classic Rouen (short) : for (2)
classic Silverstone : for (2) (3) (4)
classic Hockenheim : for (3) (4) (5)

So.... to make a long story short, if I want to do historic multiclass racing I will always just group those classes as above I think and just race on the tracks I want to, mostly modern tracks and then the championship can just represent a "historical showcasing championship".

One thing we could do is to go through all the modern tracks in game and check on racingcircuits.info just how long that modern layout is already in use. For example the modern layout of BRNO in Chech Republic is already in use since 1996 so it could perfectly be used in a championship from (5). If you even ignore the changes to the pit entry from 1996 on then you could use this track since 1987 so that would be (4) and (5). Bathurst in its current layout already exists from 1987 as well, if you ignore the chicane after the downhill section it's even applicable since 1939. I believe quite a lot of our modern circuits can represent retro races as well.

I don't know what you guys think about it, but those 5 multiclass groups I listed above more or less is about we can possibly get. If we then look up how long the ""modern" track layouts already exist in real life then we can find a realistic time period for both the cars and the tracks. We could then list for each of those 5 groups which tracks are all historically correct to drive a multiclass race on.

What do you guys think? For my personal opinion I think that's about the best we can do with the current cars and tracks in the game. So we basically ignore the real multiclass races, but for a certain era we find the correct cars and track layouts and make up our own fictional championships.

So we could only suggest the classes and suggest the tracks to pick from to make a championship. For example for that group (5) it would look like this :

suggested classes:
LMP900 (cars from year 1996 to year 2003)
GT1 (from year 1996 to 1998)
GTO (from year 1989 to 1999)

suggested tracks:
classic Hockenheim (from year 1982 to 2001)
BRNO (from 1987 to today)
Mount Panorama (from 1987 to today)

.... etc

Players can then pick the classes and suggested tracks as they like. I personally would never even nitpick a certain year and say "let's race the year 1999 now". I would just keep it vage "late 90s / early 2000s" and use tracks that were used in that era.

Tank621
14-08-2017, 20:57
I'd say the best chance for authentic multuclass racing would be late 70s seeing as we have the right cars and even some of the right historic layouts. You could also make a good replication of a late 80s early 90s Daytona 24hr (just without GTU).
But considering how many classic race events happen around the world and how those are often using a very wide time gap within their classes I would say we can easily recreate events in the style of the Silverstone Classic or Rolex Monterrey Motorsports Reunion (BTW does anyone know if that's being livestreamed this year?) for example.

Tank621
15-08-2017, 15:50
Supercar Challenge is a good option for some modern multiclass action. We have most of the Tracks and alot of the cars. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Supercar_Challenge
And if you're looking to practice your Dutch here's the official website http://www.supercarchallenge.nl/

breyzipp
15-08-2017, 20:48
Supercar Challenge is a good option for some modern multiclass action. We have most of the Tracks and alot of the cars. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Supercar_Challenge
And if you're looking to practice your Dutch here's the official website http://www.supercarchallenge.nl/

Indeed nice find!

Man I really gotta find some time to update the main topic. Will quickly link to your post and do it at a convenient time.

Tank621
26-08-2017, 14:43
Alright I know I've mentioned classic IMSA alot and have talked about substituting GTU cars for another class but I have just discovered that Group A cars did actually race in the GTU class. Well actually I can only find one atm but I'm trying to find some more. But it does mean we do have cars that did race in GTU

'The GT-R debuted in the US at the 1994 Rolex 24 Hours of Daytona. Nismo entered a sole Group A specification R32 for the GTU category, which finished 20th.'- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Skyline_GT-R

Tank621
06-09-2017, 09:32
I just had a quick look at Pirelli World Challenge and I noticed that they have a GT Cup category which includes the Porsche 991 GT3 Cup, Lamborghini Super Trofeo, and Ferrari Challenge so maybe we could use Super Trofeo as another class when recreating PWC

hkraft300
06-09-2017, 13:59
The Trofeo, Cup and Challenge cars race each other?!

Tank621
06-09-2017, 14:46
The Trofeo, Cup and Challenge cars race each other?!

I assume there must be some kind of BoP but there are only 4 cars in this class. (2 Super Trofeos, 1 GT3 cup and 1 458). From what I can see the class was only added this year.

But yes they are all racing together

hkraft300
06-09-2017, 15:00
That sounds interesting.

+1 for that action.

breyzipp
08-09-2017, 20:10
Added the detailed day and time info for 2017 WeatherTech SportsCar Championship. More updates soon.

breyzipp
09-09-2017, 10:48
Ok some more updates done :

updated info (new format) for :
* 2017 Michelin Le Mans Cup
* 2017 24H Series powered by Hankook

added to the todo list at the bottom :
* 2016 24H Series powered by Hankook (enough differences in tracks to warrant a seperate list)

whip
09-09-2017, 18:30
does pcars 2 support custom championships? from everything i have seen i doesn't, like pcars 1

Mahjik
09-09-2017, 18:31
does pcars 2 support custom championships? from everything i have seen i doesn't, like pcars 1

Nope, at least not at release.

whip
09-09-2017, 18:40
Nope, at least not at release.

thats pretty shocking to be honest

so with the top tiers of career locked if you are only interested in indy car or endurance series then you are s*** out of luck

OddTimer
09-09-2017, 18:56
thats pretty shocking to be honest

so with the top tiers of career locked if you are only interested in indy car or endurance series then you are s*** out of luck

yeah sort of....you may want to do the previous tier on a lower difficult and short championship just to unlock the top tiers....not ideal, but not too bad either...

RacingAtHome
09-09-2017, 20:07
thats pretty shocking to be honest

so with the top tiers of career locked if you are only interested in indy car or endurance series then you are s*** out of luck

Or you play the game like everyone else and maybe enjoy some new cars. LMP3 is used in the IRL ELMS series and GT4 is used in British GT which can be classed as Endurance series.

whip
09-09-2017, 20:10
Or you play the game like everyone else and maybe enjoy some new cars. LMP3 is used in the IRL ELMS series and GT4 is used in British GT which can be classed as Endurance series.

or maybe you should be allowed to drive in the series you're actually interested in, no custom championship is ridiculous in 2017

i don't buy games to have the stuff i want to do be locked away from me till i do stuff i'm not interested in

Tank621
09-09-2017, 20:15
or maybe you should be allowed to drive in the series you're actually interested in, no custom championship is ridiculous in 2017

i don't buy games to have the stuff i want to do be locked away from me till i do stuff i'm not interested in


This is what Ian Bell has said on the matter. I should also point out that there are Online championships and that there are many racing games that do not have offline championships as well
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/q-a-with-slight-mad-studios-ian-bell-read-op.353715/page-28#post-11740928

RacingAtHome
09-09-2017, 20:19
or maybe you should be allowed to drive in the series you're actually interested in, no custom championship is ridiculous in 2017

i don't buy games to have the stuff i want to do be locked away from me till i do stuff i'm not interested in

Also, how many games do you have then? Can't be many. Gran Turismo and Forza have their credits system. [Insert story based game here] has a story you progress through. So if you wanted to drive the Ginetta Juniors, that would be fine then?

Don't like it, don't play the career. Don't cry and winge on the forums about how career isn't completely tailored to your needs.

By the way, Assetto Corsa didn't have Custom Championships on release, the Forza series has never had Custom Championships and I don't think GT has either. Go and winge on their forums about how no custom championships is an abomination in 2017.

(By the way, current year is not an argument with 90% of things.)

whip
09-09-2017, 20:21
This is what Ian Bell has said on the matter. I should also point out that there are Online championships and that there are many racing games that do not have offline championships as well
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/q-a-with-slight-mad-studios-ian-bell-read-op.353715/page-28#post-11740928

5 people have asked for custom championships? utter BS,

its clear from my very short (8 posts) time here that the fanboyism and butt kissing is strong here, i wont be coming back, you retards are why companies take the piss out of gamers nowadays

RacingAtHome
09-09-2017, 20:24
5 people have asked for custom championships? utter BS,

its clear from my very short (8 posts) time here that the fanboyism and butt kissing is strong here, i wont be coming back

5 WMD2 members. Use the facts right or don't use them at all.

Good you're not coming back. Doubt you'd have lasted long anyway with your tone. ;)

Tank621
09-09-2017, 20:34
5 people have asked for custom championships? utter BS,

its clear from my very short (8 posts) time here that the fanboyism and butt kissing is strong here, i wont be coming back, you retards are why companies take the piss out of gamers nowadays

Ooh 'fanboy', 'butt kisser' and 'retard' I think I just won the Triple Crown of Video Game forum insults.

Seriously though I literally just pointed you to what the CEO of the company has said on the matter and stated 2 facts, that hardly warrants that kind of repsonse

And I would call it naive to expect the regular users on the official forum for a game to not have a positive attitude to the game

You have stated a request for a feature and once reasons were given as to why that feature is not present you have decided to insult the people that awnsered your question, that attitude is not going to do you any favours

RacingAtHome
09-09-2017, 20:59
Ooh 'fanboy', 'butt kisser' and 'retard' I think I just won the Triple Crown of Video Game forum insults.

Nah. I clearly won.

Mad Al
09-09-2017, 21:41
or maybe you should be allowed to drive in the series you're actually interested in, no custom championship is ridiculous in 2017

i don't buy games to have the stuff i want to do be locked away from me till i do stuff i'm not interested in

FFS, last time people complained that everything was unlocked.... will the internet makes it's ******* mind up, please!


(yep.. there will always be people who want everything unlocked and there will be people who want everything locked and have to grind for every single car... so having a couple of locked tiers was a compromise.. don't like it, play something else.)

Tank621
09-09-2017, 22:33
How about Britcar?
http://www.britcar-endurance.com/index.php
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239951
And the car lists
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I'd say GT3, GT4, GT5, V8 Supercar, Touring Cars, Clio Cup all seem like reasonable choices

Tank621
09-09-2017, 22:45
And the Touring Car Endurance Series
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Touring_Car_Endurance_Series
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Classes we can include would probably be GT4, Touring Cars and Clio Cup

breyzipp
10-09-2017, 07:00
Yep, good ones! There are even Ferrari 488 Challenges in that Britcar championship so could add those also.

I'll link to both as todo from the main page.

breyzipp
10-09-2017, 19:04
And the Touring Car Endurance Series
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Touring_Car_Endurance_Series
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Classes we can include would probably be GT4, Touring Cars and Clio Cup

I just saw that was already on the list. :P Last post :)

Tank621
10-09-2017, 20:00
I just saw that was already on the list. :P Last post :)

You're so efficient you didn't even realise you already did it


No I'm not pretending that I didn't completely miss this even though I looked at the list several times

Tank621
12-09-2017, 18:45
A new series is being created called the Masters Endurance Legends Race Series
Basically it is going to cater for Prototypes and GTs from 1995-2011
There will be 6 rounds the first of which is at Spa and the rest will be at major European race circuits

We will probably have all or most of those circuits so it could be great for some 90s/2000s multiclass action
http://www.mastershistoricracing.com/masters-endurance/championship/

breyzipp
12-09-2017, 19:22
A new series is being created called the Masters Endurance Legends Race Series
Basically it is going to cater for Prototypes and GTs from 1995-2011
There will be 6 rounds the first of which is at Spa and the rest will be at major European race circuits

We will probably have all or most of those circuits so it could be great for some 90s/2000s multiclass action
http://www.mastershistoricracing.com/masters-endurance/championship/

Great find again! Adding it to the todo list. :)

Tank621
12-09-2017, 20:10
Looks like it will be a great series to watch too

breyzipp
12-09-2017, 21:47
Looks like it will be a great series to watch too

Ooh yeah absolutely! Maserati MC12 GT1 anyone? ;)

Tank621
12-09-2017, 22:38
There's supposed to be quite a few Audi R8s that are going to race in the series which is great because I love open top prototypes. We could get some truly iconic racecars competing for actual championships once more and that is something I can definitely get behind.
If they have a good entry list it will be mega

breyzipp
13-09-2017, 07:01
There's supposed to be quite a few Audi R8s that are going to race in the series which is great because I love open top prototypes. We could get some truly iconic racecars competing for actual championships once more and that is something I can definitely get behind.
If they have a good entry list it will be mega

The problem is that it probably won't be real racing because the cars are no longer in production or have parts easy available by the manufacturers. It will be a bit like the classic Le Mans race where the cars are all oldtimers and so valuable they are mostly just been driven around the track as a showcase event (being careful to not damage them) instead of being raced.

Still it will be great to see them on track either way. :)

Tank621
14-09-2017, 13:07
I found the entry list for Spa
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I may as well stick that in the request thread too

Tank621
13-10-2017, 11:08
I've stumbled on another one, the GT Cup Championship
http://www.gtcupmedia.co.uk
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AkaiTatsu23
09-03-2018, 14:13
Hello, how best to set the category of cars to have the most realistic starting box for the Silverstone race that is going on this weekend? Thank you

I apologize for english I used the translator

AbeWoz
09-03-2018, 14:34
12H Silverstone: LMP2 (2016 and older), LMP3, GT3
24H Silverstone: Touring Cars and GT4

However, the real grid only seems to be LMP3, GT3 for the 12H and Touring Cars for the 24H

Ofnir4
09-03-2018, 14:52
LMP3, GT3, TCR and classes we don't have in game. The TCE, GT and Proto series are all racing, we are way beyond multiclass here, it's a multirace.

https://www.24hseries.com/2018/24h-silverstone-2018/time-schedule

AbeWoz
09-03-2018, 14:55
LMP3, GT3, TCR and classes we don't have in game. The TCE, GT and Proto series are all racing, we are way beyond multiclass here, it's a multirace.

https://www.24hseries.com/2018/24h-silverstone-2018/time-schedule

yeah its freakin crazy.

AkaiTatsu23
09-03-2018, 14:58
Thanks mate!

Ofnir4
09-03-2018, 15:04
Imagine if the ACO did le Mans legends, road to le mans, the porsche cup race and the 24h at the same time... And IMSA did the 12h of sebring with the Prototype challenge and sportscar challenge, maybe Porsche cup to spice things up.

Logistical and marshalling nightmare. Kodus to them.

RomKnight
09-03-2018, 15:07
https://www.24hseries.com/uploads/files/24hseries/2018/Regulations/24H_SERIES_2018_Sporting_Technical_Regulations_published_171025.pdf


18.3.2 Division into classes:

Mahjik
09-03-2018, 17:31
Merged threads. Not that I expect everyone to find this thread, but it has a lot of similar content. ;)

Tank621
09-03-2018, 17:50
Merged threads. Not that I expect everyone to find this thread, but it has a lot of similar content. ;)

Oh yeah thanks for reminding me of this, I was going to put the British Formula 1 Championship in the single class thread but totally forgot

poirqc
17-03-2018, 17:06
While this thread wasn't what I was looking for after all(Group 5 tracks), it should be stickyed! :)

Foofer37
18-03-2018, 02:57
I thought custom championships were not possible in PCars2.

AbeWoz
18-03-2018, 02:59
I thought custom championships were not possible in PCars2.

they are online

Lord of the Racing
18-03-2018, 04:54
All these champioships are great. Thank you for this great job. I am missing only one thingh: to do this PC2 should have available the possibility to make Customs Championships and for what I know PC2 did not have it. Or I am wrong and missed it?

Lord of the Racing
18-03-2018, 04:57
they are online

Do you mean that you cna set a Customs Championship online but using all AI opponents? How do you manage any single events? Do you need to fix a date and time?

ATSS
18-03-2018, 09:05
You can't play alone vs the ai in championship mode. (Online)

LacuveFR
18-03-2018, 09:56
Est il possible de faire des courses endurance avec changement de pilotes ? Genre faire des équipes de 2/3 pilotes et donc faire des relais...

Tank621
18-03-2018, 10:12
Est il possible de faire des courses endurance avec changement de pilotes ? Genre faire des équipes de 2/3 pilotes et donc faire des relais...

Now I haven't done French in while so I think I should say Bounjour, non

Unless I misread everything you just said, actually it's probably best to ignore everything I just said

Ofnir4
18-03-2018, 11:04
Est il possible de faire des courses endurance avec changement de pilotes ? Genre faire des équipes de 2/3 pilotes et donc faire des relais...

Pas avec de vrais pilotes pour l'instant, juste l'AI.

But I don't think a little translation through google would have been too much to ask.

Lord of the Racing
18-03-2018, 16:58
You can't play alone vs the ai in championship mode. (Online)

So it means that there are not customs championship off line and this features coukd be a very nce to have for the futures.

Mahjik
18-03-2018, 17:23
Est il possible de faire des courses endurance avec changement de pilotes ? Genre faire des équipes de 2/3 pilotes et donc faire des relais...

This is an English only forum. If you do not speak English, also use an online Translator to post messages:

https://translate.google.com/

Invincible
19-03-2018, 08:19
This is an English only forum. If you do not speak English, also use an online Translator to post messages:

https://translate.google.com/

Why is it always the French people who fail to respect the rules regarding English?

RoccoTTS
19-03-2018, 08:27
Why is it always the French people who fail to respect the rules regarding English?

Because French people are the same as English and American people, they always think other people have to adapt to their language instead of vice versa ;)

edit : just a joke of course.

GenBrien
19-03-2018, 08:55
Why is it always the French people who fail to respect the rules regarding English?

kinda surprising thought, because now, when they speak, half of what they say is in English(1st language is French and sometimes and cant understand them...);)

Poulka
20-03-2018, 01:31
I am doing a calendar year in game racing all these races and boy have I had blast right in the first weekend in April, which has three championships taking all that weekend.