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BreadedVirus
22-07-2017, 18:09
What open wheel series is the Formula X based on?

dault3883
22-07-2017, 18:12
What open wheel series is the Formula X based on?

what sms thought a F1 car will look like in the future.

dan2312
22-07-2017, 18:33
what hp is it said to be pushing?

Mad Al
22-07-2017, 19:35
what hp is it said to be pushing?

Depending on boost pressure, between 500 and 750 BHP from the internal combustion engine, plus an additional 450 BHP at the push of a button from the energy recovery system... so about 1200 peak

Azure Flare
22-07-2017, 20:27
What open wheel series is the Formula X based on?

It's purely a fantasy car.

Mahjik
22-07-2017, 20:31
It's purely a fantasy car.

It may not be based on any existing car, but it's not a "fantasy car". A fantasy car is more like the Red Bull x2014 which the Formula X is nothing like...

breyzipp
22-07-2017, 21:05
It may not be based on any existing car, but it's not a "fantasy car". A fantasy car is more like the Red Bull x2014 which the Formula X is nothing like...

Aye, IMO Hot Wheels, those are fantasy cars. The FX in PC2 is better worded as "fictional", just like Marek and RWD or even the SMS-R specced cars. But fictional doesn't mean unrealistic, you can perfectly design a fictional car that follow the laws of physics and might as well be a realistic car.

dault3883
22-07-2017, 21:17
Aye, IMO Hot Wheels, those are fantasy cars. The FX in PC2 is better worded as "fictional", just like Marek and RWD or even the SMS-R specced cars. But fictional doesn't mean unrealistic, you can perfectly design a fictional car that follow the laws of physics and might as well be a realistic car.

except hot wheels has made some of their cars like my personal favorite the Deora 2. So just because its fictional or fantasy now doesn't mean one day it cant be a reality
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breyzipp
22-07-2017, 21:26
Ok maybe I should have said some Hot Wheels are fantasy cars. :)

https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/hotwheels/images/7/72/Bone_shaker_2012_blue.png/revision/latest?cb=20120517024822

And yes I know they replicated it as an actually working real car but that doesn't change the fact that it's still a fantasy car. :)

dault3883
22-07-2017, 21:47
Ok maybe I should have said some Hot Wheels are fantasy cars. :)

https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/hotwheels/images/7/72/Bone_shaker_2012_blue.png/revision/latest?cb=20120517024822

And yes I know they replicated it as an actually working real car but that doesn't change the fact that it's still a fantasy car. :)

o i know im just a huge hot wheels fan have well over 300 of them been collecting since before i was born thanks to my mom and dad. Yes they have some cars that could never be real but they have a great deal of them that could be made now or one day be made

MillsLayne
23-07-2017, 02:41
To me, it almost looks more like a somewhat futuristic CART car, or I guess what a CART might look like today or in the near future, moreso than F1.

snipeme77
23-07-2017, 04:40
except hot wheels has made some of their cars like my personal favorite the Deora 2. So just because its fictional or fantasy now doesn't mean one day it cant be a reality
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Oh if only Nitrox was real. Popping wheelies at 300 MPH with the back wheels on fire sound like so much fun!

snipeme77
23-07-2017, 04:41
o i know im just a huge hot wheels fan have well over 300 of them been collecting since before i was born thanks to my mom and dad. Yes they have some cars that could never be real but they have a great deal of them that could be made now or one day be made

300 of them?

Boy you need to step up your game, I've got 3,500 out of box at last count plus another 400 ish in the box.

Konan
23-07-2017, 04:46
Maybe he forgot to add a zero?

dault3883
23-07-2017, 04:54
Maybe he forgot to add a zero?

no thats only counting the ones out of the box i dont just buy every hot wheel the release only the ones i like and any ways i said well over 300 lol iv got so many i dont bother keeping track of how many i have be it in or out of the box

and the bit about NITROX well nitrous oxide is the next best thing except iv never known a single racing league except maybe some drag racing leagues where its legal to use LOL

Sankyo
23-07-2017, 07:13
Let's try and stay on topic guys? :)

Rambo_Commando
23-07-2017, 16:08
I'm still on the fence about the FX. It looks like Indycar met with the FOM and came up with this car. I'm still wondering why SMS didn't give us a hybrid F1 car instead. Perhaps they worked out a deal with Codemaster, to keep CM from going under. My only gripe with the FX is the NHRA style steering wheel.

Mahjik
23-07-2017, 16:16
I'm still wondering why SMS didn't give us a hybrid F1 car instead.

Simple, they don't like the current F1 direction.

Konan
23-07-2017, 16:43
To me, it almost looks more like a somewhat futuristic CART car, or I guess what a CART might look like today or in the near future, moreso than F1.

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dault3883
23-07-2017, 17:01
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carts always did look cool it was why when they were deciding on what new indy car to do when they picked the dw12 i liked the swift design it looked like a newer version of the old carts 238968

But i like how the new Indy car is going to look similar to the Formula Cars and similar to the Formula X LOL
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RC-5PO
24-07-2017, 01:39
I like any extra open wheel cars we can get. On another note, has it been mentioned anywhere what happened to the Formula B car?

Mahjik
24-07-2017, 01:57
I like any extra open wheel cars we can get. On another note, has it been mentioned anywhere what happened to the Formula B car?

Followed the way of the Dodo....

BreadedVirus
24-07-2017, 02:01
I'm still on the fence about the FX. It looks like Indycar met with the FOM and came up with this car. I'm still wondering why SMS didn't give us a hybrid F1 car instead. Perhaps they worked out a deal with Codemaster, to keep CM from going under. My only gripe with the FX is the NHRA style steering wheel.

I would hate to see CM go under. The F1 and DIRT games are finally getting to where they should be.

Looking forward very much to F1 2017.

BreadedVirus
24-07-2017, 02:02
Followed the way of the Dodo....

Unfortunately, as the FB was starting to grow on me.

dault3883
24-07-2017, 02:30
I would hate to see CM go under. The F1 and DIRT games are finally getting to where they should be.

Looking forward very much to F1 2017.

why would code masters go under they are in my opinion one of the best racing publishers out there definately a Top 5 when it comes to racing games

dault3883
24-07-2017, 02:31
Unfortunately, as the FB was starting to grow on me.

you still have it on Pcars 1 you all act like you wont be able to race it again LOL

Silraed
24-07-2017, 06:07
Of course we still have it in pCARS1 but if pCARS2 is as big of an improvement as is being reported then it really is a shame that such a fun car won't be given the chance to shine in the new release.

Invincible
24-07-2017, 06:12
you still have it on Pcars 1 you all act like you wont be able to race it again LOL

You wouldn't want to go back. Once you been to pcars 2, pcars 1 is spoiled for you.

Konan
24-07-2017, 10:09
You wouldn't want to go back. Once you been to pcars 2, pcars 1 is spoiled for you.

I'll take your word on that...:cool:

banner77amc
24-07-2017, 12:19
I'll take your word on that...:cool:

I believe that PCars2 will spoil me... I've heard the more immersive the gameplay you may soil yourself playing it.

FS7
24-07-2017, 15:10
has it been mentioned anywhere what happened to the Formula B car?
Not sure if anybody can confirm this but I'm guessing SMS left it out because we already have the FR3.5. Personally I always preferred the FB over the FR3.5, though.

banner77amc
24-07-2017, 15:16
^ I believe that is correct

Silraed
24-07-2017, 17:32
I can understand replacing it with the real life FR3.5 in the lineup since the FR3.5 is there for launch this time around. They were very different cars to drive though and I feel there was room for both.

Rambo_Commando
24-07-2017, 18:26
why would code masters go under they are in my opinion one of the best racing publishers out there definately a Top 5 when it comes to racing games

Codemaster has the possibility to go under because SMS makes a better racing game. If SMS gave us a hybrid F1 car, more people will just buy the SMS game than the official CM F1 game. I believe CM only makes F1 and Dirt. Loosing F1 sales will hurt them big time.

dault3883
24-07-2017, 19:06
Codemaster has the possibility to go under because SMS makes a better racing game. If SMS gave us a hybrid F1 car, more people will just buy the SMS game than the official CM F1 game. I believe CM only makes F1 and Dirt. Loosing F1 sales will hurt them big time.

they make other games too you forget they made the Grid Games and are still getting money from those they make the overlord games and they have a new game out called micro machines world series i highly doubt they would go out especially when there are still F1 tracks that SMS does not have so there fore the only way to race them with an F1 car would be to get the F1 game.

they also in the past have made the Indy Car series game that i have for PS2 so they have a history of great racing games one game is not going to kill them

RC-5PO
24-07-2017, 20:36
Not sure if anybody can confirm this but I'm guessing SMS left it out because we already have the FR3.5. Personally I always preferred the FB over the FR3.5, though.

Yes, it seems like a shame. Like I said, IMO the more open wheel cars the better.

Mattze
24-07-2017, 20:54
I would say the Formula A is the new Formula B and the Formula X is the new Formula A. Not from performance, but from prestige.

FS7
24-07-2017, 22:19
I would say the Formula A is the new Formula B and the Formula X is the new Formula A. Not from performance, but from prestige.
Iirc in career the order is FR, FC, FR3.5, FA, FX, FI.

dault3883
24-07-2017, 22:21
Iirc in career the order is FR, FC, FR3.5, FA, FX, FI.

? whats Formula I

FS7
24-07-2017, 22:24
? whats Formula I
Formula Indy aka Indycar.

dault3883
24-07-2017, 22:27
Formula Indy aka Indycar.

well if its Juan pablo montoya you have to throw indy car some where in the beginning with a side turn to nascar after formula 1 before going back to indy LOL

rr31
25-07-2017, 17:20
So do we have any idea how much faster the formula x is in comparison to the formula a on the following sorts of the circuit

High speed power circuits (Monza, Hockenheim etc)?
Tight circuits (Azure etc)?
High cornering speed circuits (Silverstone, Catalunya etc)?

Cheers

Sankyo
25-07-2017, 19:51
So do we have any idea how much faster the formula x is in comparison to the formula a on the following sorts of the circuit

High speed power circuits (Monza, Hockenheim etc)?
Tight circuits (Azure etc)?
High cornering speed circuits (Silverstone, Catalunya etc)?

Cheers

We decided to leave that for you to discover yourself on September 22nd ;)

FS7
25-07-2017, 23:20
So do we have any idea how much faster the formula x is in comparison to the formula a on the following sorts of the circuit

High speed power circuits (Monza, Hockenheim etc)?
Tight circuits (Azure etc)?
High cornering speed circuits (Silverstone, Catalunya etc)?

Cheers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZjqJfy1uEc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ClNaPKwZYU

ramm21
26-07-2017, 17:14
Can we please add the halo to formula X? You know, for realism

gregc
26-07-2017, 17:17
Can we please add the halo to formula X? You know, for realism

Please lord no.

Formula X is not supposed to replicate current/future F1, it's SMS/WMD's vision of what a near future top class open wheeler might be like. Making it butt ugly was not in the design brief!

dault3883
26-07-2017, 17:33
Agreed Halo NO GO

ramm21
26-07-2017, 17:43
yea, just kidding about the halo. ON a serious note, the new indycars look sooo sexy.
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dault3883
26-07-2017, 17:46
yea, just kidding about the halo. ON a serious note, the new indycars look sooo sexy.
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its still the DW12 just different Wings Sidepods and the took the Air intake off the top but yes its very good looking to bad the Dw12 is just now looking good when its going to probably be replaced in 2021 after the 9 years of its use is up Dallara always has a 9 year plan

Azure Flare
27-07-2017, 00:09
Can we please add the halo to formula X? You know, for realism


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ

Djuvinile
27-07-2017, 08:34
so Formula Gulf (FG1000) also wont be in Pcars 2? pity , i liked this car a lot, im feeling there's a class missing between rookies and FC or FR3.5 like this.

Cheesenium
27-07-2017, 09:10
Please dont suggest SMS to turn FX into a speedy one-side sandles. Don't want that ugly sandle/thong design on the car.

Bealdor
27-07-2017, 09:44
so Formula Gulf (FG1000) also wont be in Pcars 2? pity , i liked this car a lot, im feeling there's a class missing between rookies and FC or FR3.5 like this.

The FC is filling the FG1000 spot now.

ramm21
27-07-2017, 15:07
Please dont suggest SMS to turn FX into a speedy one-side sandles. Don't want that ugly sandle/thong design on the car.

I was just kidding guys. I don't want the thong on there either :D

Mahjik
27-07-2017, 15:12
No worries guys, joking or not. Given when PC2 will hit the shelves, there won't be any 3D model changes from what you see today (for better or for worse).

Trippul G
27-07-2017, 15:47
The FC is filling the FG1000 spot now.

But...it's not, though...not really. I understand that there are more open-wheel choices now toward the higher end of the performance spectrum, but I feel like there's enough of a performance gap between Formula Rookie and FC to warrant an intermediary category between the two, which PCARS1 provided with FG1000. IMO, it's a shame that we'll no longer have that.

SlowBloke
27-07-2017, 15:55
FD (F4) would be great addition for that in between imo.

Bealdor
27-07-2017, 17:56
But...it's not, though...not really. I understand that there are more open-wheel choices now toward the higher end of the performance spectrum, but I feel like there's enough of a performance gap between Formula Rookie and FC to warrant an intermediary category between the two, which PCARS1 provided with FG1000. IMO, it's a shame that we'll no longer have that.

The FC has been re-designed (read: slowed down) to fill the spot of the FG1000.

Invincible
27-07-2017, 17:59
But...it's not, though...not really. I understand that there are more open-wheel choices now toward the higher end of the performance spectrum, but I feel like there's enough of a performance gap between Formula Rookie and FC to warrant an intermediary category between the two, which PCARS1 provided with FG1000. IMO, it's a shame that we'll no longer have that.

The new Formula C has only 205hp compared to the old one. So it fills the gap between the FGulf1000 and the old FC. Only downside is that the gap from the Formula C to the Formula Renault 3.5 is now pretty big.

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ramm21
27-07-2017, 21:59
Sorry if this isn't the right thread for this, but its openwheel things...
I was just watching some Indycar racing, and I started paying more attention to pit stops now. Does anyone know why when the stop is done and the car takes off, they spray the car with something? What is it and why is it done?

konnos
27-07-2017, 22:30
So that it looks shinny for the cameraz!

Trippul G
28-07-2017, 00:22
The new Formula C has only 205hp compared to the old one. So it fills the gap between the FGulf1000 and the old FC. Only downside is that the gap from the Formula C to the Formula Renault 3.5 is now pretty big.

Edit: Eel'd

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Invincible
28-07-2017, 04:24
Sorry if this isn't the right thread for this, but its openwheel things...
I was just watching some Indycar racing, and I started paying more attention to pit stops now. Does anyone know why when the stop is done and the car takes off, they spray the car with something? What is it and why is it done?

It's water. Because the cars are running with ethanol, which burns with a nearly invisible flames under the bright daylight.
So they spray the cars with water to wash away any fuel which may have leaked into the car. Just in case.

dault3883
28-07-2017, 04:36
It's water. Because the cars are running with ethanol, which burns with a nearly invisible flames under the bright daylight.
So they spray the cars with water to wash away any fuel which may have leaked into the car. Just in case.

yep so this doesnt happen


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOi3n9XeEzw

Rambo_Commando
28-07-2017, 04:43
I'm going to miss the awesome cockpit view the FG1000 had. Setting the fov to 57 on a 60" screen felt like you were actually sitting in the car...It was also one of the best cars for online public lobbies.

dault3883
28-07-2017, 04:48
you guys act like you will never be able to drive it again. :rolleyes: Its not like you have to uninstall Pcars1 to install pcars2 you can always drive it on Pcars1

Cheesenium
28-07-2017, 05:19
you guys act like you will never be able to drive it again. :rolleyes: Its not like you have to uninstall Pcars1 to install pcars2 you can always drive it on Pcars1

Personally, for me, it is hard to go back to Pcars 1 after playing Pcars 2.

dault3883
28-07-2017, 05:24
Personally, for me, it is hard to go back to Pcars 1 after playing Pcars 2.

not for me as iv said in many posts about me playing older games like F1 2012 and 2014 old games can be just as fun sometimes you just have to have fun even if its not 100% simulation realistic

Konan
28-07-2017, 05:35
not for me as iv said in many posts about me playing older games like F1 2012 and 2014 old games can be just as fun sometimes you just have to have fun even if its not 100% simulation realistic

Maybe...but i think the gap between the two Pcars games is so huge that most would indeed find it a step back to return to Pcars just for the fun of racing a car or two that Pcars2 doesn't have...

dault3883
28-07-2017, 05:40
Maybe...but i think the gap between the two Pcars game is so huge that most would indeed find it a step back to return to Pcars just for the fun of racing a car or two that Pcars2 doesn't have...

i just take joy in racing older video games too but iv played video games on systems ranging from the Nintendo NES, supernintendo, Nintendo 64, Sega Entertainment system, Sega Genisis, PS1, PS2, PC...and i still own all of those except the NES (dad sold it) the Super nintendo (owned by child hood babysitter when i was in elementry school), and the Sega Genesis (dad still has it) old games can be just as fun to me the retro nostalgic feel

Konan
28-07-2017, 05:52
I agree on that and i'm not saying that i'll never play Pcars again...just that i won't to just race a missing Pcars2 car...
Once you go two...nothing else will do...LOL

Cheesenium
28-07-2017, 07:14
not for me as iv said in many posts about me playing older games like F1 2012 and 2014 old games can be just as fun sometimes you just have to have fun even if its not 100% simulation realistic

For me, there are 2 problems:

1. Pcars 1 takes up a lot of HDD space where no point keeping a game that I rarely play.
2. There are some improvements such as physics in PCars 2 that I find it essential. There are major upgrades over Pcars 1 and it fixes some of the flaws for me. At the end, I find Pcars 2 to be a lot more fun to play than Pcars 1.

I still have some old games on my PC such as Grid 1 and Dirt 2, I still enjoy them. I guess Pcars 2 is designed as a sequel to Pcars 1 without drastic changes in the existing Pcars 1 content, I could live without Pcars 1 after playing 2.

joelsantos24
28-07-2017, 16:48
what sms thought a F1 car will look like in the future.
Considering what SMS presented as the new FX, I think it's pretty conservative, to say the least. I was expecting something much more radical and futuristic, like Renault's RS 2027 F1 concept car (http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/04/19/renault-reveals-1300bhp-f1-concept-car-2027/). This FX car looks too much like an ordinary F1, and as far as the game is concerned, it'll probably work as mere filler.

Konan
28-07-2017, 17:11
Considering what SMS presented as the new FX, I think it's pretty conservative, to say the least. I was expecting something much more radical and futuristic, like Renault's RS 2027 F1 concept car (http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/04/19/renault-reveals-1300bhp-f1-concept-car-2027/). This FX car looks too much like an ordinary F1, and as far as the game is concerned, it'll probably work as mere filler.

I'm sure the devs will be real happy to read that...:rolleyes:

joelsantos24
28-07-2017, 17:30
I'm sure the devs will be real happy to read that...:rolleyes:
Irony aside, and considering a similar program of GT (and in a partnership with Red Bull), a few years ago they set out to create the ultimate race car, unbound by regulations, and so the Red Bull X was born. The Vision GT program is similar, in the way it intends to push the manufacturers into exploring the limits and create something never seen before, in the scope of the race cars of the future.

With all due respect to SMS, the developers and the game (of which I'm a huge fan, by the way), the FX is very much underwhelming, in my opinion. It doesn't explore the limits and the regulation boundaries, and it doesn't even try to go farther, in the attempt to create something that might represent the F1 car of 15-30 years from now.

Bealdor
28-07-2017, 17:38
It's a fictional 2018 car, not a 2030 one...
Fun fact: The Red Bull X was the prime example of what SMS/WMD did not want to create with the FX.

Silraed
28-07-2017, 17:39
I think you had the wrong idea about what the Fornula X was going to be.

joelsantos24
28-07-2017, 18:29
It's a fictional 2018 car, not a 2030 one...
Fun fact: The Red Bull X was the prime example of what SMS/WMD did not want to create with the FX.
Fair enough.

But then again, I'm curious, why so bent on keeping themselves as far as possible from the purpose of a program such as the Red Bull X?

Moreover, what's the relevance or significance of having a hypothetical 2018 car? Are the expected differences so overwhelming, that it justifies the creation of an FX class?

dault3883
28-07-2017, 18:34
Fair enough.

But then again, I'm curious, why so bent on keeping themselves as far as possible from the purpose of a program such as the Red Bull X?

because they didnt agree in it simple as that just like i dont like the Renault RS 2027 it just doesnt look like an F1 car to me looks more like a Hotwheels car i have which would mean Renault pretty much ripped off Hotwheels which is kinda sad LOL

Mahjik
28-07-2017, 18:35
Fair enough.

But then again, I'm curious, why so bent on keeping themselves as far as possible from the purpose of a program such as the Red Bull X?

They aren't fans of the purely fictional cars which are not based on any relativity other than having tires.. They wanted to create what they would like F1 to be in 2018. Keep in mind, they did this design in 2015 so before even the 2017 cars was known (and before any real halo or screen testing). There is also more behind the car than just the looks of it, what's engineered into it is also things they wanted to take in account.

Konan
28-07-2017, 18:42
Well...i for one would like to see it IRL...

joelsantos24
28-07-2017, 18:55
They aren't fans of the purely fictional cars which are not based on any relativity other than having tires.. They wanted to create what they would like F1 to be in 2018. Keep in mind, they did this design in 2015 so before even the 2017 cars was known (and before any real halo or screen testing). There is also more behind the car than just the looks of it, what's engineered into it is also things they wanted to take in account.
The Red Bull X isn't fictional, per se. Neither purely nor slightly. The car still obeys the laws of physics. It just doesn't obey the regulations. It was actually build by Red Bull, but it'll never race on track, because just one lap would cost them around millions of euros.

It's curious that, when Newey designed the car, he took much inspiration from the Chaparral 2J. About the Chaparral 2J, curiously, when it was presented in 1969-1970, someone joked saying that the car could've been presented on the ceiling, because it wouldn't fall. So, not only is the Red Bull X not fictional, it's also not entirely a new concept.

Mahjik
28-07-2017, 19:22
The Red Bull X isn't fictional, per se. Neither purely nor slightly. The car still obeys the laws of physics. It just doesn't obey the regulations. It was actually build by Red Bull, but it'll never race on track, because just one lap would cost them around millions of euros.

A lot of companies build prototypes without actual motors (i.e. they use electric motors just to move it around). I wouldn't call that actually being "built". They build a "full sized model" but there is no suspension nor anything to propel it. I personally don't suggest because of that "they actually built it". A lot more logistics need to be worked out to take something from prototype to real. A lot of these considerations are what SMS did with the Formula X in the virtual world.

Konan
28-07-2017, 19:27
True...you only have to watch a documentary about prototypes to discover that the majority of them haven't even driven a mile...

Mahjik
28-07-2017, 19:48
Not directly related to this, but it is interesting to see the changes made to a car that goes from prototype to production. BMW had a series which followed the M6 and it was interesting to see how the car had to change from the "concept" to something that would actually work in the real world. I saw where they had to redesign the dash to fit a larger vent because the original vent size couldn't defog the window properly.

This is also why the prototypes we see at the big cars shows sometimes don't look like the production version.

breyzipp
28-07-2017, 20:00
This is also why the prototypes we see at the big cars shows sometimes don't look like the production version.

The prototype cars are designed by enthusiasts, the production cars are designed by realists. There is your difference. ;)

hkraft300
28-07-2017, 22:59
The Red Bull X isn't fictional, per se. Neither purely nor slightly. The car still obeys the laws of physics.

That's pretty loose criteria for realistic.
The X car "prototype" was a BS marketing exercise.


The prototype cars are designed by Artists, the production cars are designed by engineers. There is your difference. ;)

Correction :)

Azure Flare
28-07-2017, 23:15
That's pretty loose criteria for realistic.
The X car "prototype" was a BS marketing exercise.

How would you be so sure of that?

FS7
29-07-2017, 00:24
The Red Bull X isn't fictional, per se. Neither purely nor slightly. The car still obeys the laws of physics. It just doesn't obey the regulations. It was actually build by Red Bull, but it'll never race on track, because just one lap would cost them around millions of euros.
More like it will never race on track because the first time it goes through a high speed corner at 450+kph the driver's head will be ripped off by the extreme g-force.
It's an interesting idea for a video game but with all the emphasis FIA is putting on safety these I seriously doubt they'd ever consider something that extreme.

hkraft300
29-07-2017, 08:48
How would you be so sure of that?

Consider the car was built just for the GT game engine/world. Loose enough, for you? /PD bashing ;)

If it were to be built realistic, what tyres exist that can handle the Aero loads that thing puts out?
How's the weight not blow out to make it strong enough to carry itself, how's the ICE lubrication and cooling working where it doesn't run dry and seize from extreme G's? None are considerations in the digital world.

Not to mention the drivers head exploding.

They got the RBR F1 guys to have a go and say some wonderful things about it and suddenly the GT/RB X-car is somehow legitimate because when we were 12 years old it seemed so. We're looking back at it with Rose tinted glasses, aren't we?

In that sense, I'm wrong calling it a BS marketing exercise because, well, it was effective at the time. Gamers were mostly children and adolescents. The market has shifted and matured a bit now hasn't it?

joelsantos24
29-07-2017, 10:27
A lot of companies build prototypes without actual motors (i.e. they use electric motors just to move it around). I wouldn't call that actually being "built". They build a "full sized model" but there is no suspension nor anything to propel it. I personally don't suggest because of that "they actually built it". A lot more logistics need to be worked out to take something from prototype to real. A lot of these considerations are what SMS did with the Formula X in the virtual world.
I know the limitations of the model they built. Still, the car isn't fictional, by definition, that's my point. You can consider the actual cost of building the prototype. You can question the cost of making it race a few laps on track. You can even take into account the devastating effects of the immense gravitational forces that a driver would be subjected to, given the unique characteristics of the car. But calling it strictly fictional, is wrong.


Consider the car was built just for the GT game engine/world. Loose enough, for you? /PD bashing ;)

If it were to be built realistic, what tyres exist that can handle the Aero loads that thing puts out?
How's the weight not blow out to make it strong enough to carry itself, how's the ICE lubrication and cooling working where it doesn't run dry and seize from extreme G's? None are considerations in the digital world.

Not to mention the drivers head exploding.

They got the RBR F1 guys to have a go and say some wonderful things about it and suddenly the GT/RB X-car is somehow legitimate because when we were 12 years old it seemed so. We're looking back at it with Rose tinted glasses, aren't we?

In that sense, I'm wrong calling it a BS marketing exercise because, well, it was effective at the time. Gamers were mostly children and adolescents. The market has shifted and matured a bit now hasn't it?
Like I said before, the car obeys the laws of physics, it just doesn't obey the regulations. Whether or not we'd survive a lap in it, that's another question entirely, obviously.

As for the tyres, agreed. But then again, a completely new type of tyre was created by Michelin for the Bugatti Veyron, given it's also unique features.

Other than that, I don't know what you mean by it not being legitimate.

Mad Al
29-07-2017, 10:39
You seem to be confusing fiction and fantasy.. the Red Bull X cars are fictional in that there is no real working version in existence.. that they are based on real physics doesn't make them real.. it just makes them fiction instead of fantasy.

joelsantos24
29-07-2017, 10:58
You seem to be confusing fiction and fantasy.. the Red Bull X cars are fictional in that there is no real working version in existence.. that they are based on real physics doesn't make them real.. it just makes them fiction instead of fantasy.
No, I'm not confusing anything. I know that the car wasn't built, per se. And in terms of fictional vs. fantasy, the term fictional does characterises the Red Bull X more adequately. But then again, so is the FX car that SMS just created, and that's the bottom line. What point is there, in creating an FX car, when you have F1 cars in the game? It's just filler, for all intents and purposes.

If you're going to create something unique, then go farther and do something never seen before (in the context of the prototype Renault presented, for example). Because, just putting a wind shield in the car, labelling it FX and saying "this is most likely how F1 cars are going to look like, in a couple of years", is meaningless.

Silraed
29-07-2017, 11:21
If you're going to create something unique, then go farther and do something never seen before (in the context of the prototype Renault presented, for example). Because, just putting a wind shield in the car, labelling it FX and saying "this is most likely how F1 cars are going to look like, in a couple of years", is meaningless.

From the other side of it I think making something so extreme like the Renault concept and the Red Bull X is completely pointless and a waste of time. I want something grounded and believable, not something an artist drew up (the Renault concept) or that was designed to be outside of what is really capable (Red Bull X).

I don't care about what cars could be like in 20 years, whatever we envision will be laughably wrong just like virtually every time it has been done in the past.

Sankyo
29-07-2017, 11:31
What point is there, in creating an FX car, when you have F1 cars in the game? It's just filler, for all intents and purposes.
It could also be regarded as an opportunity to create something really interesting when reality's offerings aren't. :)


If you're going to create something unique, then go farther and do something never seen before (in the context of the prototype Renault presented, for example).
Where have you seen a Formula X car before then? ;)


Because, just putting a wind shield in the car, labelling it FX and saying "this is most likely how F1 cars are going to look like, in a couple of years", is meaningless.
Are you sure it's "just a windshield"?
Furthermore, perhaps meaningless to you (possibly also because of you not knowing all the details of the car), but not to others.

honespc
29-07-2017, 12:53
Remember old Evolution Studios (**** you $ony for shutting down which was perhaps the best racing studio ever, and just to continue feeding Yamauchi) ps2 WRC games, and their amazing Extreme models for each car?. FX is just the exact same thing in that regard.

Also, if you pay attention to these FX models you'll see the differences go beyond the front windshield. Have you had a look at the entire rear of the car, specially to the rear wing for instance?

hkraft300
29-07-2017, 13:23
Speaking of which: can someone please post some detail shots of the FX?
I remember the Aero work Casey Ringley's team did for the FR3.5 and the DW12. FX should be quite the treat.

joelsantos24
29-07-2017, 13:35
From the other side of it I think making something so extreme like the Renault concept and the Red Bull X is completely pointless and a waste of time. I want something grounded and believable, not something an artist drew up (the Renault concept) or that was designed to be outside of what is really capable (Red Bull X).

I don't care about what cars could be like in 20 years, whatever we envision will be laughably wrong just like virtually every time it has been done in the past.
The Renault RS F1 2027 concept is that extreme, in your eyes? It has a closed cockpit, a different front and rear wing design, but it isn't that radical. But, whatever...

Silraed
29-07-2017, 13:48
The Renault RS F1 2027 concept is that extreme, in your eyes? It has a closed cockpit, a different front and rear wing design, but it isn't that radical. But, whatever...

Extreme in the context of my post as about guessing what the cars are going to be in the future. The 2027 Renault concept has pretty significant changes to the body/moncoque, sidepods, wings, suspension and diffuser. It shares very little with current cars, it's pretty extreme in that context.

But if it's really not that extreme then why is it such a good example of how SMS should have made something new?

joelsantos24
29-07-2017, 13:51
Extreme in the context of my post as about guessing what the cars are going to be in the future. The 2027 Renault concept has pretty significant changes to the body/moncoque, sidepods, wings, suspension and diffuser. It shares very little with current cars, it's pretty extreme in that context.

But if it's really not that extreme then why is it such a good example of how SMS should have made something new?
Because the differences are significant, without being that radical. And also because this ridiculous FX isn't something new and all that relevant, in my opinion.

Bealdor
29-07-2017, 14:08
Then don't drive it if you don't like it. There are still 180+ other cars in the game you can enjoy.

joelsantos24
29-07-2017, 14:33
Then don't drive it if you don't like it. There are still 180+ other cars in the game you can enjoy.
Thank you, for telling me what I already knew. Now, we have a firm grasp of the obvious.

Seriously, though, this topic is entitled "Formula X", so we're allowed to give our opinion about it, right? Even if it's a negative one?

dault3883
29-07-2017, 14:43
SMS started designing this car in 2015 on what they thought a Formula 1 car would or should look like in 2018

personally i love it it looks great. And how can you say you dont like it when you havent even driven it yet?

give all the cars on the game a chance you might be surprised

hkraft300
29-07-2017, 14:45
Because the differences are significant, without being that radical. And also because this ridiculous FX isn't something new and all that relevant, in my opinion.

But the Red Bull X is entirely sensible and relevant? :rolleyes:

joelsantos24
29-07-2017, 15:08
But the Red Bull X is entirely sensible and relevant? :rolleyes:
I gave the Red Bull X as merely an example of what it means going through the boundaries of what is currently regulated, while creating something interesting and never seen before. There are other examples, in my opinion, far more interesting than the Red Bull X, such as the amazing Citröen GT and many other cars in the Vision GT program, for instance [like the amazing Mercedes-Benz Vision GT; the Dodge SRT Tomahawk Vision GT; the Alpine Vision GT; the Mazda LM55 and the Hyundai N2025 (which represent an evolution of the LMP1 class concept); or even the Aston Martin DP100].

I'm a huge fan of Project CARS and SMS, but with all due respect, creating something that might look like a car competing on the tracks in a couple of years from now, is nothing. Like I said before, it's pure filler. It's absolutely meaningless.

It's just my opinion. Some might enjoy saying Amen to everything SMS does or says, but here it is, for all it's worth.

Mahjik
29-07-2017, 15:13
joelsantos24, I think it's pretty clear that SMS's goals and your desires in this space are not the same. You appreciate the prototypes that have been used in other titles, which is great. SMS wanted something they could see on the road within a few years. Just two different goals/desires.

Konan
29-07-2017, 15:14
Thank you, for telling me what I already knew. Now, we have a firm grasp of the obvious.

Seriously, though, this topic is entitled "Formula X", so we're allowed to give our opinion about it, right? Even if it's a negative one?

Of course you can...as well as we can reply...:cool:

joelsantos24
29-07-2017, 15:26
joelsantos24, I think it's pretty clear that SMS's goals and your desires in this space are not the same. You appreciate the prototypes that have been used in other titles, which is great. SMS wanted something they could see on the road within a few years. Just two different goals/desires.
Desires... I don't really understand that reference. I want nothing from SMS. If I like a game and if I can afford it, I buy it. If not, then I don't. It's that simple.

Until a few days ago, I didn't even know about this new FX class. When companies set out to create prototypes or concepts of cars/race cars expected to be actually driven or race on track, they do so with a much more significant time-frame in mind. A bigger leap into the future, so to speak. They don't think "let's create something that might be racing in a couple of years". Like I said, that's literally nothing.

Mahjik
29-07-2017, 15:30
Ok, change "desire" to "preference". You would "prefer" a "larger leap into the future" for a car that doesn't exist today. SMS's goals were not to do that. Your "preference" doesn't line up with SMS's "goals".

Sankyo
29-07-2017, 15:36
When companies set out to create prototypes or concepts of cars/race cars expected to be actually driven or race on track, they do so with a much more significant time-frame in mind. A bigger leap into the future, so to speak. They don't think "let's create something that might be racing in a couple of years".
Could you give examples of this, in the race sim genre?
Furthermore, how does that imply that SMS should do the same, apart from your own preference to have more futuristic cars?

hkraft300
29-07-2017, 21:28
creating something that might look like a car competing on the tracks in a couple of years from now, is nothing. Like I said before, it's pure filler. It's absolutely meaningless.

Couple of years as opposed to 100, but the vision gt cars are interesting and NOT fillers? :applause:

joelsantos24
30-07-2017, 11:40
Couple of years as opposed to 100, but the vision gt cars are interesting and NOT fillers? :applause:
Infinitely more interesting, yes.

Silraed
30-07-2017, 13:10
The Vision GT cars were pretty gimmicky to me, I was never interested in them when I played GT6. But to each their own.

hkraft300
30-07-2017, 14:22
Infinitely more interesting, yes.

And a light-powered car is quite the meaningful venture :rolleyes:

Don't worry, GT:S will be out in the next few years.
Certainly will have its share of infinitely interesting Vision GT cars. Physics defying and all.