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OddTimer
18-09-2017, 07:04
Are you wondering how well PCars 2 is reviewing? Click on the link below for an "at a glance" graph to show how reviews are looking: Thanks Cluck! =]

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?51288-PCARS-2-Review-Thread&p=1355477&viewfull=1#post1355477

Review links:

https://mspoweruser.com/review-project-cars-2-improvements-many-levels/ - Reviewed on Xbox 8/10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxxh7E-YlFI - Reviewed on Consoles - 'Buy it on sale'

http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/reviews/analisis-project-cars-2-ps4-xbox-one-pc-165332 in Spanish. 90/100.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbUkmON1jDo in spanish. 9/10. very positive review overall.

http://es.ign.com/project-cars-2-ps4/123459/review/project-cars-2-analisis-para-ps4-one-y-pc 8.7/10

https://areajugones.sport.es/project-cars-2-2/analisis/ 9/10

https://juegosadn.eleconomista.es/project-cars-2-analisis-1588/ 9/10

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?51288-PCARS-2-Review-Thread/page4 90/100

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2017/09/18/project-cars-2-review 9.2/10

http://wccftech.com/review/project-cars-2-faint-of-heart/ 9/10

http://www.playnation.de/reviews/id37164/0/project-cars-2-echtes-simulationsgefuehl-rennstrecken-dieser-welt.html 89/100

https://www.gamereactor.de/Kritiken/445933/Project+Cars+2/?page=1 8/10

http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/project-cars-2/wertung/52490.html 89/100

http://www.giga.de/spiele/project-cars-2/tests/project-cars-2-im-test-volle-konzentration-voraus/ 8.5/10

https://www.spieletester.com/testberichte/project-cars-2 9/10

http://it.ign.com/project-cars-2-ps4/131019/review/project-cars-2-la-recensione?p=2 IGN Italy 9/10

https://www.pcgamesn.com/project-cars-2/project-cars-2-pc-review 9/10

http://meristation.as.com/playstation-4/project-cars-2/analisis-juego/2069534 9/10

http://multiplayer.it/recensioni/188632-project-cars-2-project-cars-2-la-recensione-del-quasi-racing-game-definitivo.html 8.8/10

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/09/18/project-cars-2-review/#more-477837

https://youtu.be/sRd49dB0SGY Similar Race Paddock. It feels similar to rfactor2

http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/project-cars-2 4 stars out of 5

http://www.pcgamer.com/project-cars-2-review/ 8.9/10

http://techau.com.au/review-project-cars-2/ 94% (9.4/10)

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/09/19/project-cars-2-review-easy-throttle-ps4/#/slide/1 8.5/10

http://www.capsulecomputers.com.au/project-cars-2-review/ 8/10

http://gearnuke.com/project-cars-2-review-ps4/ 8.5/10

http://www.shacknews.com/article/101425/project-cars-2-review-sunday-drivers-need-not-apply 8/10

4dri3l
18-09-2017, 07:15
Getting my popcorn....

Renoldo1990
18-09-2017, 07:21
"The main way I evaluate racing simulators is how well they control and how easy they are for beginners to enjoy."

:rolleyes: :cower:

GenBrien
18-09-2017, 07:23
I nearly gave up until I mustered the courage to come back to the game. Even then, it’s not perfect and I have weeks to go to become really good at it it seems. Are gamers nowadays willing to do that especially on console?
wow....
its just driving cars.... not putting the space shuttle in orbit...
jeez....

honespc
18-09-2017, 07:28
Reviewers can no longer be trusted. Only way is to try the game by ourselves for then render judgment.

OddTimer
18-09-2017, 07:29
I think the MS review is not too bad....you can see they favor MS products anyway, so it is a good review. The wait for sale is the one that could swing players towards Forza 7, but I wanna see pc reviews.

Bealdor
18-09-2017, 07:33
Thread title updated.

4dri3l
18-09-2017, 07:56
It seems casual players having some difficulties with the gamepad...

http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/reviews/analisis-project-cars-2-ps4-xbox-one-pc-165332

OddTimer
18-09-2017, 08:01
http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/reviews...-one-pc-165332

very good overall.

Google translate: 'Project CARS 2 is an ode to driving video games that will undoubtedly delight the most demanding at the wheel. Maybe it's a place behind the grid than its predecessor in terms of control, but of course, if we talk about cars, circuits, possibilities, disciplines and options, you get a good advance on the right.'

breyzipp
18-09-2017, 08:02
Reviewers can no longer be trusted. Only way is to try the game by ourselves for then render judgment.

It also depends who reviews it. There will be reviewers who never played a racing game, let alone a sim. If you give me a flight simulator to review (a genre I never played before) then it won't get a proper review either.

I do value the reviews of the well known racing game websites like ISR and Team VVV, the rest is to be taken with a grain of salt. :)

P75
18-09-2017, 08:04
That ACG video was a bit worrying. :disturbed:

Sankyo
18-09-2017, 08:05
It seems casual players having some difficulties with the gamepad...

http://www.hobbyconsolas.com/reviews/analisis-project-cars-2-ps4-xbox-one-pc-165332
They say that pC2 is a bit less realistic than pC1 and much less than AC, as apparently they're suffering lots of oversteer on all cars as soon as they switch off Stability Control. I'm wondering if they were using Loose set-ups (they seem to be the default)?

FInroDz
18-09-2017, 08:08
I think we have to wait for very in deep reviews. These seem articles and videos put online just to be the first. Nothing different than many previews.

OddTimer
18-09-2017, 08:18
They say that pC2 is a bit less realistic than pC1 and much less than AC, as apparently they're suffering lots of oversteer on all cars as soon as they switch off Traction Control. I'm wondering if they were using Loose set-ups (they seem to be the default)?

I guess loose setups are for wheels? if that is the case SMS should have ensured the default for controllers were correct....not worth having people bash your game because you didn't set the game up correctly....

hitmanvega
18-09-2017, 08:18
Never trusted reviews , never will....And when it comes to ffb....it is a very wide spectrum and in my opinion very personalised.

Francisnf
18-09-2017, 08:24
That ACG video was a bit worrying. :disturbed:

He didnt really seem to know what he was talking about IMO, he spoke about other games on console having great FFB on wheel, i cant think of any, Forza, DC and the rest are awful on a wheel and his driving was frankly shocking.

bamadab420
18-09-2017, 08:24
is the Pc version going to have hdr ? I cant buy this on console just wouldnt feel right lol

OddTimer
18-09-2017, 08:28
He didnt really seem to know what he was talking about IMO, he spoke about other games on console having great FFB on wheel, i cant think of any, Forza, DC and the rest are awful on a wheel and his driving was frankly shocking.

yeah, I agree with you....I love that Guy's videos, but pcars2 isn't, or should not be, at the same level as GT and Forza when it comes to simulating car handling, track evolution and weather changes, so I will only 'sort of' trust reviewers that normally play racing simulators.

maTech
18-09-2017, 08:40
Never trusted reviews , never will....And when it comes to ffb....it is a very wide spectrum and in my opinion very personalised.

I agree with you. If I would trust them I hadn't bought pC1 and I hadn't had many many hours of fun with pC1. I am interested in the facts of pC2 (real multiclass, great menus, huge content,....) and that is all I need to know. Sorry pC1 but I think it's time to retire ;-)

LukeC
18-09-2017, 09:14
He didnt really seem to know what he was talking about IMO, he spoke about other games on console having great FFB on wheel, i cant think of any.

Dirt Rally, F1 2017?

OddTimer
18-09-2017, 09:17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbUkmON1jDo new one is spanish.

GTsimms
18-09-2017, 10:08
They must be reviewing the press release build.
240109

OddTimer
18-09-2017, 10:10
They must be reviewing the press release build.
240109

lol. the only negative so far seems to be the shadow flickering on p4 pro which happens in game and replays.

P75
18-09-2017, 11:07
He didnt really seem to know what he was talking about IMO, he spoke about other games on console having great FFB on wheel, i cant think of any, Forza, DC and the rest are awful on a wheel and his driving was frankly shocking.

Maybe I'm just too much of a pessimist. :)

My main concern is the AI. I'm not much of an online gamer, so good AI is crucial for me.

honespc
18-09-2017, 11:26
"Maybe it's a place behind the grid than its predecessor in terms of control'See?, another reason not to trust anyone. One of the main foundations for pc2 advertisement is supposed to be based on the enhancements on the handling regarding tyre model and car drivability, both leading to easier control under all conditions for both wheel and controller users.

This review is to very clearly come from another pad user that got frustrated, because even if pad handling has been refined to the maximum possibility the game allows, it might still feel hard to control the cars, rendering his opinion contained in the quote as.., well, you know. Let's leave it a one step beyond subjective, so I stay soft and politically correct.., for now.

You can not say the game might be a step behind its predecessor in handling/physics terms when there's also the wheel users, that will sure see very clearly the immense step forward in this area.

Project Cars is a game for wheelers, and thus most reviews will hurt pc2 as they do their observations taking the masses into account, only.

Rodgerzzz
18-09-2017, 11:45
The MS review focuses way to much on the pick up and play aspect of the game with only scant mention of the wheel use and how good that feels. Although it does mention the fact that a proper wheel would be a worthwhile investment, I don't think they've really got where PC2 is looking at placing itself in the marketplace with they way they've written that review.

Martinbooker
18-09-2017, 11:56
The ACG review concerns me if only for his comment about the loooooong load times. Was really hoping this would be improved this time around. Hoping my new shiny SSHD will alleviate some of this

Bealdor
18-09-2017, 11:56
87/100
IGN Spain Review (http://es.ign.com/project-cars-2-ps4/123459/review/project-cars-2-analisis-para-ps4-one-y-pc)

Verdict in English:

Do we have a new king of driving? Maybe in terms of driving itself, but certainly in the face of the most complete game. Of course, we have to admit that we were expecting a little more from Project CARS 2. The driving is somewhat irregular and the Career mode does not get hooked. On the other hand, the configuration options and the LiveTrack 3.0 make it, in the street, the most complete driving game ever and surely for many years. In addition, the online system can avoid many problems by separating players by skill and discipline on the track. Of course, we have the feeling that Project Cars in 2015 was better than Project CARS 2 in 2017, at least in terms of revolution and options, making it clear that Project CARS 2 is, today, a better game. Slightly Mad Studios has opted for a "more and better" in this sequel.


90/100
Areajugones Review (https://areajugones.sport.es/project-cars-2-2/analisis/)


Project Cars 2 delivers what it promises. Overcoming its predecessor was not an easy task in any sense, but this sequel has adapted well and the balance between gameplay and technique is impressive. A total simulator where everything is possible, Karts, Formula 1, Rallying, Touring Virtually everything that we can think of can be done and enjoyed. A fun and transparent game that comes to full from the start with all the vehicles and circuits available since we started to play. A work to match to become the best driving simulator of this year 2017 where hours and hours of fun are more than assured.

Olijke Poffer
18-09-2017, 12:02
This guy sees problems with shadow etc. To be honest, it really looks not ok to me..


https://youtu.be/fxxh7E-YlFI

honespc
18-09-2017, 12:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbUkmON1jDoThis is by far the most honest review.

The dude has played it on a wheel; everything he says leads one to believe he has indeed played the game enough, and simply states the game probably is at the top right now even in terms of simulation, not just pure racing competition, sorting most "inconveniences" in what It comes to the old tyre model and physics pc1 sported.

He also states very clear that even if the game has been immensely improved for pad users, the way to enjoy pc2 is a wheel. Developers might not like a review comes to this conclusion so openly, because It may be off putting for pad users, the masses on consoles 8where the money is), but at least it's finally said that this is the best racing game available for wheelers, and that might not be that bad as devs might want it to see from profit perspective, because at long last it's finally said that project cars is the best racing game available to play with a wheel, and maybe the most realistic too.


SSHD will alleviate some of thisIt won't. The difference is almost unnoticeable in this console.

OddTimer
18-09-2017, 12:40
thread updated.

about the shadows, if not present on pc, it could be a hardware limitation. i think Ian said it will be improved on next patch.

Bealdor
18-09-2017, 13:14
IGN review (http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/18/project-cars-2-review)

9.2/10


wccftech.com (http://wccftech.com/review/project-cars-2-feint-of-heart/)

9/10

Zenzic
18-09-2017, 13:14
IGN: http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/18/project-cars-2-review

Edit: Ninja'd. :)

Bealdor
18-09-2017, 13:21
Playnation
89/100
http://www.playnation.de/reviews/id37164/0/project-cars-2-echtes-simulationsgefuehl-rennstrecken-dieser-welt.html

Gamereactor Germany
8/10
https://www.gamereactor.de/Kritiken/445933/Project+Cars+2/?page=1

GameStar
89/100
http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/project-cars-2/wertung/52490.html

GIGA
8.5/10
http://www.giga.de/spiele/project-cars-2/tests/project-cars-2-im-test-volle-konzentration-voraus/

Spieletester
9/10
https://www.spieletester.com/testberichte/project-cars-2
(https://www.spieletester.com/testberichte/project-cars-2)

Bealdor
18-09-2017, 13:27
9/10
eleconomista.es (https://juegosadn.eleconomista.es/project-cars-2-analisis-1588/)

90/100
games.ch (https://www.games.ch/project-cars-2/test/review-gX9/)

Francisnf
18-09-2017, 13:29
The sound of that Jag at Bathurst, blimey! :) amazing.

OddTimer
18-09-2017, 13:32
will be updating the tbread in an hour or so. things are looking good��

mkstatto
18-09-2017, 13:39
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-09-18-project-cars-2-review

Eurogamer review.

P75
18-09-2017, 13:41
Danish site. Score: 4/6 (too many bugs)

http://www.pixel.tv/nyhed/anmeldelse-project-cars-2/

Something puzzled me when I read the review. He says that pit stops are really tame and without pit crews. I thought PC2 had pit crews?

breyzipp
18-09-2017, 13:45
IGN: http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/18/project-cars-2-review

Edit: Ninja'd. :)

Omg, that IGN article is amazing, tons and tons of positive words and a friggin "9.2 amazing" score!!! Great things as well about the wheel AND controller on DEFAULT settings!

This is about the only negative thing in the article:


Bathurst shouldn’t be nearly as brown as Project CARS 2 depicts during autumn because nearly all eucalyptus trees are evergreen)

Zomg need a day 1 patch to fix the Aussi trees! :-)

STRAKKA R11
18-09-2017, 13:47
Eurogamer article saying there are just as many bugs with this one as the first game...uh oh

Sankyo
18-09-2017, 13:48
Danish site. Score: 4/6 (too many bugs)

http://www.pixel.tv/nyhed/anmeldelse-project-cars-2/

Something puzzled me when I read the review. He says that pit stops are really tame and without pit crews. I thought PC2 had pit crews?
Sure does. You can disable them in the options, though, and maybe he did or the game did it by default based on his hardware to improve performance?

EDIT Is he playing on console?

P75
18-09-2017, 13:55
It doesn't say. The site is mostly about console gaming, so that's my guess.

Mad Al
18-09-2017, 13:55
Danish site. Score: 4/6 (too many bugs)

http://www.pixel.tv/nyhed/anmeldelse-project-cars-2/

Something puzzled me when I read the review. He says that pit stops are really tame and without pit crews. I thought PC2 had pit crews?


assuming the translation worked OK, did he also say LiveTrack was pointless... as was free practice ?

Francisnf
18-09-2017, 13:57
They clearly didn't pay them the bung they asked for then haha Eurogamer its a joke of a site.

snipeme77
18-09-2017, 13:58
Sure does. You can disable them in the options, though, and maybe he did or the game did it by default based on his hardware to improve performance?

EDIT Is he playing on console?

I thought consoles had pit Crews. I was told every AI car and your car had a pit crew on console

Roger Prynne
18-09-2017, 14:00
assuming the translation worked OK, did he also say LiveTrack was pointless... as was free practice ?
.....

A new feature that they are very proud of is Livetrack 3.o, it's a feature that makes the state of the track more realistic than ever before. The theory is that if it's rained and the sun just suddenly looks forward, then they shed parts of the track faster, not in shadow, and you should think about what racing lines you want to take. If you drive on the grass outside the course while it is raining, you will also pull grass and soil into the track, which will then affect the car's grip if you drive over it. These are just some of the effects of Livetrack 3.0, but the fact is that it really does not matter, so big a difference I do not feel it does. I'd rather have used some of the forces elsewhere, something I'll have to return to.

P75
18-09-2017, 14:08
assuming the translation worked OK, did he also say LiveTrack was pointless... as was free practice ?

Yes he says that he found LiveTrack 3.0 pointless and that it doesn't make much of a difference. Sounds weird to me. From the videos I've seen, it makes quite a big difference. He says that it's nice, but that he wish SMS had spent that time on making the game less buggy (maybe he has a little point there).

He praises F1 2017 for how it makes free practice more meaningful. To me, the purpose of free practice is to get a feel for the car/track and tuning the car setup, not chasing bonus stuff/powerups or whatever.

OddTimer
18-09-2017, 14:35
Live Streaming:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS_V44JcDqU

OddTimer
18-09-2017, 14:41
http://it.ign.com/project-cars-2-ps4/131019/review/project-cars-2-la-recensione?p=2 IGN Italy 9/10

https://www.pcgamesn.com/project-cars-2/project-cars-2-pc-review 9/10

FInroDz
18-09-2017, 15:49
http://multiplayer.it/recensioni/188632-project-cars-2-project-cars-2-la-recensione-del-quasi-racing-game-definitivo.html 8.8/10

honespc
18-09-2017, 16:23
http://meristation.as.com/playstation-4/project-cars-2/analisis-juego/2069534

9/10

And reviewed by a GT fanatic I know very well.

snipeme77
18-09-2017, 16:30
"Instead, I find pad handling too twitchy to ever effectively save a spin when I lose the back end, while an overzealous stability control either brings the car to near-standstill in order to avoid a spin, or creates cruise liner levels of understeer" PC gamer

Pisshead30
18-09-2017, 16:56
It also depends who reviews it. There will be reviewers who never played a racing game, let alone a sim. If you give me a flight simulator to review (a genre I never played before) then it won't get a proper review either.

I do value the reviews of the well known racing game websites like ISR and Team VVV, the rest is to be taken with a grain of salt. :)

Ill wait for Alan's review not that it matters as i've pre ordered anyway

Francisnf
18-09-2017, 17:37
Ill wait for Alan's review not that it matters as i've pre ordered anyway

Yeah Alan's are the best i reckon, always lots of info and thought through.

honespc
18-09-2017, 17:48
ISR can still be trusted, specially the thin stubbled boy. However, teamvvv..., I think he's known better times, if you know what I mean

JAG ReDDoG
18-09-2017, 18:09
Really excited to see mostly positive reviews.Im seeing a couple of things mentioned quite abit.(1) the controller has improved but can be harsh as compared to a wheel.Which makes sense the wheel should be better.I hope this doesnt turn people off without a wheel.(2)Its got a steep learning curve(which i prefer because you feel better about your skills knowing its a true sim).But i hope this doesnt scare off some people.Alot might think its one way but turns out its not jump in a dominate.Eitherway great reviews so far.IGN was a good watch in the video.

breyzipp
18-09-2017, 18:39
Would it be possible to sort the reviews from the topic post on language? A bit of work to scroll through all the ES/IT/DE stuff I don't need. :)

breyzipp
18-09-2017, 18:42
One of the cons I picked up :


Career mode can lock you out if you enter a part that you're unable to complete, not allowing you to exit

source: http://wccftech.com/review/project-cars-2-faint-of-heart/

If that's true I think an "abandon current championship" button would be helpful.

ykiki
18-09-2017, 18:43
I'm a pad user, so I'm glad to hear that it's better this time around. Honestly though, in PCars 1, I didn't find that it was horrible - I just needed to get used to it. If I went from playing a Forza game or a GT game, I'd need to adjust my style of play.

When I played the PCars 2 demo at PAX it was with a PS4 controller (and I didn't see whether it was hooked up to a PC or PS4 - it was just a monitor and a controller) driving a FR3.5 around the "short" COTA circuit. I didn't find it hard to control at all. It just took some getting used to. The race length was set to 3 laps and I felt like I had a handle on things by the second time I played, which would make it lap 5 of 6.

Granted the transmission was Auto and I have no idea what the other settings were, but I didn't find the controller to be as bad as some make it sound. Perhaps if I had done the demo on the one of the Playseat rigs available, I'd feel different? All I know is that it only took me a handful of laps before I felt comfortable with the controller and I'd expect that anyone would drive far more than that before writing a review.

Than again, I'm not a great driver by any means and I "only know what I know."

GenBrien
18-09-2017, 19:14
One of the cons I picked up :



source: http://wccftech.com/review/project-cars-2-faint-of-heart/

If that's true I think an "abandon current championship" button would be helpful.

how can you not be able to win if you can change when you want the AIs difficulty
just put it at 20% for that championship and voila!

Mahjik
18-09-2017, 20:28
how can you not be able to win if you can change when you want the AIs difficulty
just put it at 20% for that championship and voila!

The little bit I read in the review, he was not able to drive his car around the track without crashing. Even at 20% for the AI, they are able to complete laps without crashing. ;)

breyzipp
18-09-2017, 20:31
how can you not be able to win if you can change when you want the AIs difficulty
just put it at 20% for that championship and voila!

Yeah true that but suppose you want to cancel an ongoing championship, surely that should be possible? In PCARS 1 career I believe you could cancel a running championship at any given time (or "jump to end of season" or something).

I've used it before as well, when I took a break from the game for a longer time, I come back and I have no clue anymore what championship I was in. So I just cancel it and start a new season.

TS040 Sparky
18-09-2017, 20:36
I've been watching Xbox One videos from some kid, he was using a pad and said it was really good and handled like Forza in ways. Though I have a wheel, and from what I've seen the pad has been updated so the casual player can use it.

As many have said, the only person you can trust is yourself with these games. I know PCARS 1 had its flaws and bugs, but they was ironed out. PCARS 2 from what I've seen seems a huge step forward over PCARS 1, and people forget that SMS will update the game also. No game can be perfect, because if it was then devs wouldn't be here. I still believe that the game will be main outlet for racing, with Forza 7 being somewhat stalemate.

Currently looking for RWD P20 videos if anyone knows where they let me know!

Mahjik
18-09-2017, 20:36
Yeah true that but suppose you want to cancel an ongoing championship, surely that should be possible? In PCARS 1 career I believe you could cancel a running championship at any given time (or "jump to end of season" or something).

I don't believe so in PC1. IIRC, I had to skip sessions and then end each race. I had taken on a side championship during one of my seasons which wasn't what I thought it was... At least I never figured out how to skip those races so I had to start them and skip through them. It wasn't that big of a deal to me and made me pay better attention to what I was doing going forward. ;)

Tank621
18-09-2017, 20:59
There was an abandon season on the main career screen on PC1, it might have been added as part of an update, I used it quite a bit whilst I was trying to unlock all the invitational events

proterra1
18-09-2017, 21:05
I didn't think snow in Dubai was allowed? (Skip to 2:20 (https://youtu.be/XksuuEgqubo?t=140)) I'm not complaining though!


https://www.youtube.com/v=XksuuEgqubo?t=139

Bealdor
18-09-2017, 21:08
Snow as track condition (season) is not available but snow as weather condition is.

breyzipp
18-09-2017, 21:10
I didn't think snow in Dubai was allowed? (Skip to 2:20 (https://youtu.be/XksuuEgqubo?t=140)) I'm not complaining though!


https://www.youtube.com/v=XksuuEgqubo?t=139

Maybe because of... ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8a74KgF7fE

snipeme77
18-09-2017, 21:15
I didn't think snow in Dubai was allowed? (Skip to 2:20 (https://youtu.be/XksuuEgqubo?t=140)) I'm not complaining though!


https://www.youtube.com/v=XksuuEgqubo?t=139

I normally hate IGN but that was a pretty fair review

OddTimer
18-09-2017, 21:15
This one popped up on Pcar2 library on steam: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/09/18/project-cars-2-review/#more-477837

overall good, but the AI comments are a bit worrying.

snipeme77
18-09-2017, 21:20
This one popped up on Pcar2 library on steam: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/09/18/project-cars-2-review/#more-477837

overall good, but the AI comments are a bit worrying.

That and Xbone performance.

Tank621
18-09-2017, 21:20
Umm this review is complaining because it is a sim and apparently not gamey enough

I feel like the reviewer has missed the point that sims are aimed at a different market than arcade racers. Yes there is overlap between the groups but they are not the same

http://www.cubed3.com/review/4202/1/project-cars-2-playstation-4.html

And the comments on race engineer make no sense when it tells you what it is doing so you could just do it maually anyway

proterra1
19-09-2017, 16:08
In James' PRC review, (which it won't let me link here as it says it's a censored URL!?) he mentions pro setups out of the box for the PC versions. What exactly is different to the console setups and why is this only on the PC version? Is there a setting similar to DiRT4 where you can change between a pro and gamer mode or a wheel and gamepad mode? And does this just apply to setups for console players?

Maybe I've completely misunderstood what has been written but I'm a bit baffled as to why an otherwise identicle game has different default car setups depending on the platform. I'm sure there are just as many (if not more) wheel users on console than gamepad users on PC for a racing game. This seeems a weird decision especially since its supposed to be playable out of the box on a gamepad now due to the adjustment of the default gamepad settings, not car settings.


the PC version of Project CARS 2 has actually shipped with Pro default setups that cut into the corners like crazy and rotate extremely well through the center, essentially tailoring the PC version specifically for the hardcore sim racing crowd who don’t need an understeering car out of the box, as they’re not playing on a gamepad.

Not only is it a great gesture on the part of Slightly Mad Studios to bundle the game with setups that are pretty decent out of the box, it certainly helps to display the competence of the underlying physics engine and tire model in a more profound way.

Bealdor
19-09-2017, 16:13
In James's PRC review, (which it won't let me link here as it says it's a censored URL!?) he mentions pro setups out of the box for the PC versions. What exactly is different to the console setups and why is this only on the PC version? Is there a setting similar to DiRT4 where you can change between a pro and gamer mode or a wheel and gamepad mode? And does this just apply to setups for console players?

Maybe I've completely misunderstood what has been written but I'm a bit baffled as to why an otherwise identicle game has different default car setups depending on the platform. I'm sure there are just as many (if not more) wheel users on console than gamepad users on PC for a racing game. This seeems a weird decision especially since its supposed to be playable out of the box on a gamepad now due to the adjustment of the default gamepad settings, not car settings.

There are stable and loose (and OEM) default setups available on all platforms, depending on your controller type.

proterra1
19-09-2017, 16:17
Great! So it will choose stable or loose depending on whether your playing with a wheel or gamepad?

Siberian Tiger
19-09-2017, 16:22
You can choose it indepent of your Gaming Device... But the Stable are towards more safety, so Gamepad, and the Loose is more well Loose and therefor more for Wheels :)

VRTOM
19-09-2017, 16:36
See?, another reason not to trust anyone. One of the main foundations for pc2 advertisement is supposed to be based on the enhancements on the handling regarding tyre model and car drivability, both leading to easier control under all conditions for both wheel and controller users.

This review is to very clearly come from another pad user that got frustrated, because even if pad handling has been refined to the maximum possibility the game allows, it might still feel hard to control the cars, rendering his opinion contained in the quote as.., well, you know. Let's leave it a one step beyond subjective, so I stay soft and politically correct.., for now.

You can not say the game might be a step behind its predecessor in handling/physics terms when there's also the wheel users, that will sure see very clearly the immense step forward in this area.

Project Cars is a game for wheelers, and thus most reviews will hurt pc2 as they do their observations taking the masses into account, only.

Yeah tbh, i don't get the complaints about the gamepads. I mean i get them, but i feel people are too impatient to learn how to drive with a pad in the first place. It requires some finesse on the throttle/brake control and choosing the right driving line; its not rocket science jeez. The only complaint i have with driving with a pad is the strains on my hands as it is quite tiresome after a while. The only harsh review is from ACG. So far so good i guess. I just hope it's not super buggy for consoles

OddTimer
20-09-2017, 07:35
https://youtu.be/sRd49dB0SGY Similar Race Paddock. It feels similar to rfactor2

I think this is a positive review overall coming from a more hardcore similar racer.

Silraed
20-09-2017, 08:09
But then I read another review yesterday, which I can't seem to find now for some reason, who said it was closer to AC in feel and realism than rFactor2 or iRacing. Everything is so subjective in this hobby that these comparisons are almost pointless.

cluck
20-09-2017, 08:20
OldTimer - feel free to add this link to your first post. I'm also keeping a table going (helped enormously by Bealdor) on WMD2 but, along with that, I'm running a simple "at a glance" graph to show how reviews are looking.

http://www.clucksworld.co.uk/pcars/pcars2/pcars2-review-table.jpg

The graph will change when I update the scores, so anybody that wants to see the latest snapshot just needs to refresh the page with this image on it

OddTimer
20-09-2017, 09:07
OldTimer - feel free to add this link to your first post. I'm also keeping a table going (helped enormously by Bealdor) on WMD2 but, along with that, I'm running a simple "at a glance" graph to show how reviews are looking.

http://www.clucksworld.co.uk/pcars/pcars2/pcars2-review-table.jpg

The graph will change when I update the scores, so anybody that wants to see the latest snapshot just needs to refresh the page with this image on it

Done! =]

honespc
20-09-2017, 11:14
What are the lowest scored reviews for now?

Siberian Tiger
20-09-2017, 11:19
The one where the "Reviewers" don't know exactly what a Racing Simulation is :P*

*Joking of course...

Looking at Cluck's Graph there are Reviews with 66 to 70 Points...

Invincible
20-09-2017, 11:19
What are the lowest scored reviews for now?

The lowest I've seen is this one here: http://www.cubed3.com/review/4200/1/project-cars-2-pc.html

Sankyo
20-09-2017, 11:21
What are the lowest scored reviews for now?

5/10 for the PS4 from some console game site (http://www.cubed3.com/review/4202/1/project-cars-2-playstation-4.html), stating that it's too tedious to learn how real race cars need to be driven.

Invincible
20-09-2017, 11:27
5/10 for the PS4 from some console game site (http://www.cubed3.com/review/4202/1/project-cars-2-playstation-4.html), stating that it's too tedious to learn how real race cars need to be driven.

Funny how the ratings, while both being on the same site, differ...

PC: 7/10

Compared to the original, Project CARS 2 makes substantial leaps toward a more authentic and realistic race experience. The handling models, and tyre wear models, combined with the dynamic weather, which not only makes the game look gorgeous, but creates a fantastic additional selling point, adds up to something very impressive indeed. While not all its lofty ambitions seem to have paid off, it excels in delivering driving contrast and a very substantial single-player experience. Players will likely want to have several drivers on the go in career mode, whilst creating dreamlike events themselves, with real and scalable practice and qualifying sessions, too, which means that the sandbox aspect of Project CARS 2 really is something to value. The rivals out there have reason to be worried. This is a game made by fans for fans, and while it's not perfect, it's unique, and a hell of a lot of fun.

PS4: 5/10 -> TL;DR: Too realistic

Thanks to a high learning curve and alienating controls, Project CARS 2 is very much not for everyone. As a racing simulator, it does the job and brings the progression of a career driver to life, but it's bogged down by long load times and an awkward control scheme. Figuring out how to drive properly is all a part of the simulation, but it ends up feeling more tedious than anything. It might satisfy someone looking for a deeper challenge and added realism within the genre, but newcomers and less hardcore fans are better off sticking with Gran Turismo or Forza.

honespc
20-09-2017, 11:42
The lowest I've seen is this one here: http://www.cubed3.com/review/4200/1/project-cars-2-pc.html

5/10 for the PS4 from some console game site (http://www.cubed3.com/review/4202/1/project-cars-2-playstation-4.html), stating that it's too tedious to learn how real race cars need to be driven.hahah oook thanks. This one should make for a good laugh.

cluck
20-09-2017, 11:58
5/10 for the PS4 from some console game site (http://www.cubed3.com/review/4202/1/project-cars-2-playstation-4.html), stating that it's too tedious to learn how real race cars need to be driven.


Funny how the ratings, while both being on the same site, differ...

PC: 7/10


PS4: 5/10 -> TL;DR: Too realisticI must have missed that as I saw the PC review was already in the table. I will add the PS4 one now.

Sankyo
20-09-2017, 12:02
Funny how the ratings, while both being on the same site, differ...

PC: 7/10

PS4: 5/10 -> TL;DR: Too realistic
Different reviewers, so different expectations :)

honespc
20-09-2017, 12:17
Different reviewers, so different expectations :)It ain't that maybe. I think It's because the different visions for the different platforms. They have both tried like making a distinction, at least the console reviewer, and since both are from the same site...

Even then, the console reviewer could be very much mistaken just for taking for granted that all racing games should be accessible on consoles, also taking for granted that if it requires some effort on the console player part, then It shouldn't be a game for a console, concept I can't help but not to agree with it by any means.

OddTimer
20-09-2017, 15:12
http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/project-cars-2 4 stars out of 5

http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/project-cars-2 4 starts out of 5

http://www.pcgamer.com/project-cars-2-review/ 8.9/10

Jezza819
20-09-2017, 15:47
5/10 for the PS4 from some console game site (http://www.cubed3.com/review/4202/1/project-cars-2-playstation-4.html), stating that it's too tedious to learn how real race cars need to be driven.

With all of the assists available I think you can dumb anything down to where you can enjoy it and that's coming from me who needs a ton of things dumbed down for me to use. Racing sims excepted thankfully. :)

Of course it might take longer than the short time a reviewer has a game to get there but I think it can be done.

Roger Prynne
20-09-2017, 15:51
http://youtu.be/opjJ4jHaJn4

RoccoTTS
20-09-2017, 16:14
http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/project-cars-2 4 stars out of 5

http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/project-cars-2 4 starts out of 5

http://www.pcgamer.com/project-cars-2-review/ 8.9/10

I like the verdict from trustedreviews :
"Project Cars 2 is one of the most hardcore racing sims in years and pulls off what it sets out to do wonderfully. Unforgiving and awesome."

cluck
20-09-2017, 16:45
Just seen this posted in WMD2

TechA (http://techau.com.au/review-project-cars-2/)u (http://techau.com.au/review-project-cars-2/) - 94% (9.4/10)

"All boiled down, Slightly Mad Studios have done an amazing job on Project Cars 2, its easily the best racing title so far this year. Sometimes a game is greater than the sum of its parts and this really feels that way, its better than the spec sheet indicates. Its the little touches that are the most appreciated, like how this game helps you understand what to do with vehicle setup. By defining the area you’re struggling with (in plain english), your race engineer can recommend tweaks and explains how that change will help your vehicle performance and overall lap time. This important detail is almost never done right, but in PC2, they nailed it.
I know I’ll be racing Project Cars 2 long after the review is done."

breyzipp
20-09-2017, 17:34
Sim Racing Paddock - no rating.

Overall decent review :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRd49dB0SGY

OddTimer
20-09-2017, 20:23
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/09/19/project-cars-2-review-easy-throttle-ps4/#/slide/1 8.5/10

LukeSkycocker
20-09-2017, 21:45
Yeah tbh, i don't get the complaints about the gamepads. I mean i get them, but i feel people are too impatient to learn how to drive with a pad in the first place. It requires some finesse on the throttle/brake control and choosing the right driving line; its not rocket science jeez. The only complaint i have with driving with a pad is the strains on my hands as it is quite tiresome after a while. The only harsh review is from ACG. So far so good i guess. I just hope it's not super buggy for consoles

I agree with this completely. I've been playing on a gamepad since NFS shift which is what initially opened my eyes to how much potential SMS had as a racing game developer. Shift 1 and 2 were completely different than the previous arcade NFS games in that there was a substantial learning curve due to the more complex handling and physics but once you knew what you were doing they were a blast to play. Those games pretty much ruined every other racing game for me just because nothing else came as close to the sense of immersion and realism. The transition from the Shift games to Pcars was pretty seemless for me. Other than a few sensitivity adjustments I had almost zero game breaking complaints. It's pretty clear the reviewers saying PCars controller handling is broken just weren't able to become very good at it during the review process. It wasn't until about a month ago I bought a wheel to prepare for Pcars 2 and while it definitely enhances the experience, it by no means is necessary to enjoy the game.

Gethema
21-09-2017, 16:05
I'll just leave this here...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1XmIS8NaQ4

OddTimer
21-09-2017, 16:56
I'll just leave this here...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1XmIS8NaQ4

can a WMD member comment on certain cars being pretty bad to drive and the AI?

OddTimer
21-09-2017, 17:01
Three more:

http://www.capsulecomputers.com.au/project-cars-2-review/ 8/10

http://gearnuke.com/project-cars-2-review-ps4/ 8.5/10

http://www.shacknews.com/article/101425/project-cars-2-review-sunday-drivers-need-not-apply 8/10

RoccoTTS
21-09-2017, 18:08
can a WMD member comment on certain cars being pretty bad to drive and the AI?

This is a comment from GM himself in the comment section of the video : "Not all the fast cars are "bad" in my opinion its more just specific ones so don't worry !"

In all honesty i think it's personal preference and it's fair to say every game has specific cars i or other people don't like.

Mahjik
21-09-2017, 18:18
can a WMD member comment on certain cars being pretty bad to drive and the AI?

I wouldn't call them "bad to drive". I would say the FFB may not communicate as much on some cars as others. However, IMO, not all cars should feel the same in FFB. The way a real car feels and communicates is all based on it's suspension geometry, tires and many other aspects. If a sim is doing it right, the cars should feel different.

The question is, how much more communication should there be for certain cars with regard to FFB? That is going to be subjective to different people.

OddTimer
21-09-2017, 19:11
I wouldn't call them "bad to drive". I would say the FFB may not communicate as much on some cars as others. However, IMO, not all cars should feel the same in FFB. The way a real car feels and communicates is all based on it's suspension geometry, tires and many other aspects. If a sim is doing it right, the cars should feel different.

The question is, how much more communication should there be for certain cars with regard to FFB? That is going to be subjective to different people.

thanks. Yes, I agree with you on being subjective...I am pretty sure this will be a popular discussion topic in the coming days....just a few hours to test it myself, can't wait!

Gethema
27-09-2017, 16:20
GT Planet PS4 Review (https://www.gtplanet.net/project-cars-2-playstation-4-review/)

3.5 out of 5