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DesmoPT
26-09-2017, 10:20
Hi all!

Love playing racing games for ages ... iīm 42 now and the time available to play them is very little, but still love it to bits.

I have a problem though - SETUPS. Since time to test is limited, iīm asking for help. Is there a guide that explain us how setup works for Project Cars 2? I know there is a diferent tyre model and other novelties but still a good guide is needed to help me and others tweak their setups.
On PCars1 we had an option to disable setups on Public rooms - that option is gone (AFAIK) and that makes almost impossible to be competitive playing online against people who have their setups tweaked.

Usually (the lack of) setups make me stop playing racing games ... my sadness.


Thanks in advance for anyone willing to share some knowledge.

takaii
26-09-2017, 10:24
Hi all!

Love playing racing games for ages ... iīm 42 now and the time available to play them is very little, but still love it to bits.

I have a problem though - SETUPS. Since time to test is limited, iīm asking for help. Is there a guide that explain us how setup works for Project Cars 2? I know there is a diferent tyre model and other novelties but still a good guide is needed to help me and others tweak their setups.
On PCars1 we had an option to disable setups on Public rooms - that option is gone (AFAIK) and that makes almost impossible to be competitive playing online against people who have their setups tweaked.

Usually (the lack of) setups make me stop playing racing games ... my sadness.


Thanks in advance for anyone willing to share some knowledge.

YEs a good guide to explain relation between tires chamber angle etc. There are ton off information for the first game i think it would be good place to start reading on since
setup basically is pretty much the same. Its just an entire better new tire model physics.

Well if you create your own online race there is a setting that says "default settings" in project cars 2 as well. Its not gone its still there.

DesmoPT
26-09-2017, 10:43
YEs a good guide to explain relation between tires chamber angle etc. There are ton off information for the first game i think it would be good place to start reading on since
setup basically is pretty much the same. Its just an entire better new tire model physics.

Well if you create your own online race there is a setting that says "default settings" in project cars 2 as well. Its not gone its still there.

Sorry i must have missed that setting (default settings) ... my bad.

Still, i would love to get my hands on a proper guide for Project Cars 2 , or even PCars1 if it applies to the second game of the series.

Thanks!!

takaii
26-09-2017, 10:50
There are so many settings to get and the effect they have on eachother.

Myself am trying to learn it. I only know a few things yet not deep enought to understand relation between eachother.
Chamber angle tire wear heat pressure cold track warm track pressure for wet tires the chamber angle
rebound stiffness front back how that affect tires how it affects car during turning and how will it produce heat. Have heat and pressure in common and
how will that affect everything else. there are so many questions spinning in my head. I myself am clueless to what to ask so i get the right start.
Also when should i increase downforce on front when having oversteering or should i look into tire pressure front vs back first or the entire pressure on all 4 wheels or is the issue
to low chamber angle or to weight move to little and is it issue with spring. I dont even know what to ask or where to first look for issue to solve.

Soo yeah i want better more helpful gues for pc2 as well (Y)

DesmoPT
26-09-2017, 11:25
There are so many settings to get and the effect they have on eachother.

Myself am trying to learn it. I only know a few things yet not deep enought to understand relation between eachother.
Chamber angle tire wear heat pressure cold track warm track pressure for wet tires the chamber angle
rebound stiffness front back how that affect tires how it affects car during turning and how will it produce heat. Have heat and pressure in common and
how will that affect everything else. there are so many questions spinning in my head. I myself am clueless to what to ask so i get the right start.
Also when should i increase downforce on front when having oversteering or should i look into tire pressure front vs back first or the entire pressure on all 4 wheels or is the issue
to low chamber angle or to weight move to little and is it issue with spring. I dont even know what to ask or where to first look for issue to solve.

Soo yeah i want better more helpful gues for pc2 as well (Y)

I just got sick reading your post :) head spinning like crazy ...

Help needed!

breyzipp
26-09-2017, 11:28
I’m almost in the same boat as the OP, except I’m 41 for another month. :)

But yeah PCARS 2 feels so good this is really the first where I want to dig myself deeper into understanding car tuning. Would love a guide as well.

But first things first, I hope we can get a tuning subforum.

Roger Prynne
26-09-2017, 11:30
A temporary thread here.... http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?52926-Project-CARS-2-Garage-Car-Setup-Talk&p=1368163#post1368163

DesmoPT
26-09-2017, 11:43
A temporary thread here.... http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?52926-Project-CARS-2-Garage-Car-Setup-Talk&p=1368163#post1368163

Thanks Roger!
I hope the "noobs" can get into the Proīs bandwagon :)

CodeCmdr
26-09-2017, 11:48
Am I the only one who hates setting up a car for a race? I just a casual online racer who just wants to quickly enjoy some on-track action. I don't want to have to read guides on how to exploit the physics engine and race rules for some extra seconds per lap.

I hope the upcoming online championships will have some casual-friendly fixed setup races.

drathuu
26-09-2017, 12:01
If you want to learn, the race engineer is a good learning tool.. you say what you think is going on, he makes suggestions on how to improve, and you accept them.. (then drive and see how it feels), but take note what he adjusts.

Most car settings will effect others, reducing rear wing will get higher top speeds, however induce oversteer (or a tendancy too), this can be tuned out with changes to suspension dampening and / or rear toe.. however each of these may cause other effects - you are changing the balancing and handling of car, so one change may then force another.

Some guides -

Simple checksheet for car trait and potential fix - http://xploresimracing.com/Series/XSR_SetupGuide.pdf

Good list of pro's and cons of each change - http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/assetto-corsa-car-setup-guides.99049/

Paid windows setup developer tool - type in parameters and it will tell you how to correct - $2.50 - http://www.virtualracecarengineer.com/setup-developer-tool.html

drathuu
26-09-2017, 12:03
Am I the only one who hates setting up a car for a race? I just a casual online racer who just wants to quickly enjoy some on-track action. I don't want to have to read guides on how to exploit the physics engine and race rules for some extra seconds per lap.

I hope the upcoming online championships will have some casual-friendly fixed setup races.

You, or your leugue can create your own championship (If its delivered as specified) so you could set your championship as fixed setup. (I am sure SMS will also run some E-sports championships aswell).

DesmoPT
26-09-2017, 14:23
If you want to learn, the race engineer is a good learning tool.. you say what you think is going on, he makes suggestions on how to improve, and you accept them.. (then drive and see how it feels), but take note what he adjusts.

Most car settings will effect others, reducing rear wing will get higher top speeds, however induce oversteer (or a tendancy too), this can be tuned out with changes to suspension dampening and / or rear toe.. however each of these may cause other effects - you are changing the balancing and handling of car, so one change may then force another.

Some guides -

Simple checksheet for car trait and potential fix - http://xploresimracing.com/Series/XSR_SetupGuide.pdf

Good list of pro's and cons of each change - http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/assetto-corsa-car-setup-guides.99049/

Paid windows setup developer tool - type in parameters and it will tell you how to correct - $2.50 - http://www.virtualracecarengineer.com/setup-developer-tool.html

Thank you for your input mate!

Myself i would prefer to have a level playing field - NO setups - but itīs hard to find (lotīs of) people willing to do so ...

Outlier
26-09-2017, 16:05
I did a multiplayer race last night (first time in PC2) and after running 8 or so laps in practice I went to pitbox to make some adjustments only to find the option for tuning was locked. So there is definitely a way the host can lock setups.

Dynomight Motorsports
26-09-2017, 17:41
I understand all of them from the first game.. EXCEPT the Rear Diff.. what the hell is going on there???

Jussi Karjalainen
26-09-2017, 20:27
Am I the only one who hates setting up a car for a race? I just a casual online racer who just wants to quickly enjoy some on-track action. I don't want to have to read guides on how to exploit the physics engine and race rules for some extra seconds per lap.

I hope the upcoming online championships will have some casual-friendly fixed setup races.It's less about exploits really and more about making the car suit the track and the driver. Very rarely do people agree on what kind of setup feels the best in real life, it's no different in games. =)


I understand all of them from the first game.. EXCEPT the Rear Diff.. what the hell is going on there???There's a sticky for that. =)

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?52783-Magic-inside!-Need-Help-With-Differentials&p=1367069&viewfull=1#post1367069

Jussi Karjalainen
26-09-2017, 20:28
Actually screw it, I'm gonna release the differential calculator right now, separate it from the setup calculator that still needs some work. Hold on a moment...

Purg
26-09-2017, 23:33
Myself i would prefer to have a level playing field - NO setups - but itīs hard to find (lotīs of) people willing to do so ...

Pros and cons to that. Yeah, you don't have to diddle around in setting up a car which can be near impossible when you don't know where to start. However, we've all likely developed preferences (even if we don't diddle with settings) on a setup that allows us to turn either the best or consistent laps. Some people like a loose car, some people like a tight one and most will be in the middle. What if the fixed setup is really loose and makes it difficult for you to control? Oh well, it's the same for everybody? It might suit certain people's driving style while punishing many.

In sims where the track conditions vary little, if at all.. you can probably get away with it. If you want to experience PC2 to it's fullest, I don't think you've got much of a choice but to learn some basics of car setups, especially tyres vs track temp.

Jussi Karjalainen
27-09-2017, 02:09
Actually screw it, I'm gonna release the differential calculator right now, separate it from the setup calculator that still needs some work. Hold on a moment...Done. (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?52783-Magic-inside!-Need-Help-With-Differentials&p=1367069&viewfull=1#post1367069)

hkraft300
27-09-2017, 02:21
Here's a quick look:


http://youtu.be/d0voTx7AuZQ

Maximilliaan
27-09-2017, 13:08
I found a setup chart showing setup changes that can help with oversteer and understeer.

Source: https://apexonlineracing.com/community/threads/project-cars-2-setup-guide.6324/
"Credit to a member on the official Project CARS forum."

http://embed.gyazo.com/0fb38d15dbab970e03b2462cb0604bd7.png

DesmoPT
27-09-2017, 15:31
Pros and cons to that. Yeah, you don't have to diddle around in setting up a car which can be near impossible when you don't know where to start. However, we've all likely developed preferences (even if we don't diddle with settings) on a setup that allows us to turn either the best or consistent laps. Some people like a loose car, some people like a tight one and most will be in the middle. What if the fixed setup is really loose and makes it difficult for you to control? Oh well, it's the same for everybody? It might suit certain people's driving style while punishing many.

In sims where the track conditions vary little, if at all.. you can probably get away with it. If you want to experience PC2 to it's fullest, I don't think you've got much of a choice but to learn some basics of car setups, especially tyres vs track temp.

Thatīs a fair answer.
But for start where can i get the noob-mode-explanation for tyres vs track temp?

Wayne Kerr
27-09-2017, 15:41
Thatīs a fair answer.
But for start where can i get the noob-mode-explanation for tyres vs track temp?

Hotter the temp, harder the compound.

CodeCmdr
27-09-2017, 16:59
Thatīs a fair answer.
But for start where can i get the noob-mode-explanation for tyres vs track temp?

Currently the "automated by weather" tire option always selects hard slicks for GT cars when the weather is dry. When the temperatures are cool, or the track is short and has lots of corners, soft slicks may be better.

Kebabfelix
28-09-2017, 06:29
I found a setup chart showing setup changes that can help with oversteer and understeer.

Source: https://apexonlineracing.com/community/threads/project-cars-2-setup-guide.6324/
"Credit to a member on the official Project CARS forum."

http://embed.gyazo.com/0fb38d15dbab970e03b2462cb0604bd7.png

wow thanks man! Great work.

This will be my cheat spreadsheet during setup :D

whip
28-09-2017, 07:03
the game deletes setups randomly, the setup screen and saving is so annoying