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KasperVJensen
27-09-2017, 20:30
... this is my impression. I have only played online MP and TT (including community events)

Good:

- A lot of cars to choose from. I stick to about 4-5, but choices are great.

- A lot of tracks. Awesome.

- An attempt to introduce a ranking system for online MP.

- Menus are a little better laid out.

- Simpler to set up and race.

- Ferrari and Porsche. Yes! Still so many others to try too.

- Even with the G29 acting weird, it still feels more intuitive than PC1.

The not so good at all:

- Track limits are still a mystery to me. Supposedly, 50% of the car has to be on the tarmac (which makes no sense). But in some places, you get penalised for barely touching a curb. Some for locking up. I even had one session on the Nordschleife where you get penalised for no reason whatsoever. Itís on the way up the long uphill winding straight at the back of the circuit. Then Iíve tried TT mode at Spa, and got penalised for locking up, but when I tried it online MP mode the limits where practically non-existent, and never got penalised for any mistakes.

- The online lobby is a mess. Races that are running are showing up. Why on earth would you join that? Some more filters would be appreciated, like not seeing races I canít join.

- The safety rating or whatever itís called, as I said, is a great idea. But right now itís an absolute mess. I have entered probably around 12 online races or so, and my rating has dropped for the following: Randomly being disconnected, exiting sessions that were frozen, being rammed by the AI, being slammed into by other drivers, sessions terminated by the host, etc. So that means that I have somehow dropped to U1390, and there are many races I canít enter (yet they still show up in my lobby...). Which brings me to the next bit...

- Almost all of the online MP races I have entered have been unplayable. The sessions freeze, extreme lag when others join, the wall of death mid straight at Spa, very questionable penalties... And on top of it you get deducted ratings points for something you didnít do.

- I donít think the penalties work right. I was overtaking two cars in a braking zone, got rammed from behind, the two other cars got tangled up, and somehow I had to give back three places. Also, you can hang on to a slow down penalty by just waiting for a braking zone.

- The load/save setup doesnít work properly. It all gets cars and circuits all muddled up.

- The audio in a lot of cars splutters a lot. Like when traction control kicks in, except itíll do it random points even at high speed.

- Sometimes it doesnít remember which assists were on from qualifying to the start of the race. Iíve even had the car feel vastly different from one session to the next.

- The graphics are disappointing to be honest. I know itís just a lowly PS4, but I have other games with great graphics, and these are just not what anyone would expect in 2017. Lots of flat highly pixelated parts.

- In some replays, the driver canít be seen in the car. Oh wait. There he is. Nope, gone again. No biggie, though. Those are the things I would expect to be patched, and not all the essentials to make a great racing sim.

- No info on coming patches or what they will fix.



Conclusion:

It could be great, but unfortunately itís nowhere near finished, nor is it optimised for PS4 or very common wheels. Bottom line for me, is that the developers have had too much to handle, and completely lost sight of what they were trying to achieve. Or perhaps it was deliberate. Perhaps the expanded track and car list, along with the more accessible setups, were meant to make it more arcade-like. This version is certainly a beta version of a Sim.

I somehow feel like they would have been a lot better off creating cars for 4-5 race categories, 16 tracks, and then really focus on making that exceptional... I would have been over the moon with that, rather than very disappointed with hundreds of cars and a lot of tracks in a game that doesnít meet the requirements of a final product yet that I paid Ä99 for. Itís most likely a year out from being a good game.

JoshTheGeologist
27-09-2017, 21:10
No info on patches? Ian said himself they are coming.

You guys are so damn impatient.

I think every gamer should have to take a coding class. As an undergraduate, I took a class in programming with visual basic. We would make these stupid little applications to do things like calculating cost and all that. It was about as hard as my senior level classes in Geological sciences. One missing comma would crash the program and it would take the class hours just to find the error in a few lines of code.

I can only imagine the code for an entire video game. These guys have to systematically go through everything and they have to be careful. Fixing one bug can create 10 more. It isn't a quick fix. The devs probably have over 500,000 lines of code. Let them work through the bugs. Give them time. You whining doesn't solve everything, it ruins the forum experience for everyone. Seriously, like every other post on this site is a tantrum. Chill.

garenki
27-09-2017, 21:23
No info on patches? Ian said himself they are coming.

You guys are so damn impatient.

I think every gamer should have to take a coding class. As an undergraduate, I took a class in programming with visual basic. We would make these stupid little applications to do things like calculating cost and all that. It was about as hard as my senior level classes in Geological sciences. One missing comma would crash the program and it would take the class hours just to find the error in a few lines of code.

I can only imagine the code for an entire video game. These guys have to systematically go through everything and they have to be careful. Fixing one bug can create 10 more. It isn't a quick fix. The devs probably have over 500,000 lines of code. Let them work through the bugs. Give them time. You whining doesn't solve everything, it ruins the forum experience for everyone. Seriously, like every other post on this site is a tantrum. Chill.

We're so damn impatient?

You know what? You talked me into it.

Next time i will be more patience with my 70Euros.

CPS-3
27-09-2017, 21:25
They can have all the time they want BEFORE they release a game. When You buy a game, You buy a product and a product should be working 100%.
I like the game and what You say s true, but they should not have released it until it was far from where it is now.

KasperVJensen
27-09-2017, 21:43
No info on patches? Ian said himself they are coming.

You guys are so damn impatient.

I think every gamer should have to take a coding class. As an undergraduate, I took a class in programming with visual basic. We would make these stupid little applications to do things like calculating cost and all that. It was about as hard as my senior level classes in Geological sciences. One missing comma would crash the program and it would take the class hours just to find the error in a few lines of code.

I can only imagine the code for an entire video game. These guys have to systematically go through everything and they have to be careful. Fixing one bug can create 10 more. It isn't a quick fix. The devs probably have over 500,000 lines of code. Let them work through the bugs. Give them time. You whining doesn't solve everything, it ruins the forum experience for everyone. Seriously, like every other post on this site is a tantrum. Chill.

By that logic you should learn to work a mixing console, record live drums and play guitar if you want to listen to music.

Every gamer is a consumer that buys a product. And when the developer sells you a product that doesn’t work smoothly yet, it’s only right that the wrongdoing is voiced. There was certainly no hesitance to receive the money...

Imagine if you paid top dollar to go to the opera... and the diva is flat, forgets a few parts, randomly walks off stage... Would you just walk away saying “well, it is very hard singing opera”?

jimortality
27-09-2017, 21:53
Name me any other games you play that has been released bug free.

KasperVJensen
27-09-2017, 22:03
Name me any other games you play that has been released bug free.

I don’t play any other games really. I bought PC1 a while after it was released. I just enjoy the odd spot of sim racing.

As far as I understand, no games are bug free. Ever! No technology will ever be. I appreciate coding is very complex. That’s why I pay someone handsomely for their work. Very handsomely. And when I do, I understand there will be little bugs here and there. But I’m not talking about little bugs... these are bugs that make the game very difficult to actually play.

Time Trial for example. You go round a circuit as fast as legally possible all on your own to set a lap time for others to compete against. Getting that time deleted for absolutely no reason makes the whole thing completely pointless, and it becomes an exercise in learning where all the bugs are and trying to drive around them. That’s not a bug. That’s just an outright huge mistake from the developers, no matter how you want to phrase or compare it.

CPS-3
27-09-2017, 22:09
Name me any other games you play that has been released bug free.

Horizon Zero dawn did a pretty darn good job. That’s all i say

jimortality
27-09-2017, 22:25
I don’t play any other games really. I bought PC1 a while after it was released. I just enjoy the odd spot of sim racing.

As far as I understand, no games are bug free. Ever! No technology will ever be. I appreciate coding is very complex. That’s why I pay someone handsomely for their work. Very handsomely. And when I do, I understand there will be little bugs here and there. But I’m not talking about little bugs... these are bugs that make the game very difficult to actually play.

Time Trial for example. You go round a circuit as fast as legally possible all on your own to set a lap time for others to compete against. Getting that time deleted for absolutely no reason makes the whole thing completely pointless, and it becomes an exercise in learning where all the bugs are and trying to drive around them. That’s not a bug. That’s just an outright huge mistake from the developers, no matter how you want to phrase or compare it.

Yes and they're aware of that and yes it is frustrating.

Konan
27-09-2017, 22:46
There is nothing wrong with expressing your frustrations about certain issues...it's the way you go about it that is key to how they are received...
The constant abuse that is sometimes present in some threads does not add anything constructive to a conversation...
Mods will help where they can,devs will post important information,the CEO himself has shown his presence more than once...that all can change in a heartbeat just the same as it did in 2015...
Treat people with respect and respect you will get in return...
SMS encourages people to report anything they find...we as mods report everything to the devs so you can rest assure that when we say it's a known issue,the devs certainly know about it...
When we see a thread that starts with abuse we don't even bother to read any further...
We are all human beings here (well maybe me not as much :p ) so please treat us as such...

Roger Prynne
27-09-2017, 22:48
Couldn't have put it better myself.

KasperVJensen
27-09-2017, 23:10
There is nothing wrong with expressing your frustrations about certain issues...it's the way you go about it that is key to how they are received...
The constant abuse that is sometimes present in some threads does not add anything constructive to a conversation...
Mods will help where they can,devs will post important information,the CEO himself has shown his presence more than once...that all can change in a heartbeat just the same as it did in 2015...
Treat people with respect and respect you will get in return...
SMS encourages people to report anything they find...we as mods report everything to the devs so you can rest assure that when we say it's a known issue,the devs certainly know about it...
When we see a thread that starts with abuse we don't even bother to read any further...
We are all human beings here (well maybe me not as much :p ) so please treat us as such...

I understand exactly where you are coming from, but I donít quite understand where I have shown disrespect to anyone. I have certainly voiced a strong opinion on the matter, as I feel itís very wrong to charge someone for something at the stage the game is in on the PS4. That I do actually find disrespectful. And I have talked to people on the forum about it, so I thought of putting my thoughts down as they are right now. And even listed the positives.

My main issue at this point is not actually the game and itís flaws. Itís the mentality of the developer that we should just be patient since fixes will come. Thereís not even a hint of remorse. All of peopleís massive frustrations could be eliminated with a simple comment in a sticky explaining the situation and thanking everyone for their patience while the matter gets resolved as quickly as possible. At least mine would. Itís basic customer service, IMO.

Konan
27-09-2017, 23:31
That comment wasn't aimed at you...sorry if i made you think that...
I just wanted to make the point clear for everyone :cool:

CPS-3
28-09-2017, 00:27
Well i hope that after two releases with bugs in it, given this time less then with p Cars 1 they’ve learnt there lesson... i really do hope that if there’s going to be a third part of this franchise they Will release an open beta, that way a lot of bugs can be reported before launch and they can work on it and release a game that is as good as finsished with significantly less bugs in it.
Releasing a game with no bugs at all is too difficult and is nearly impossible i guess. There Will always be Some minor bugs, but me and i think a lot of people can live with that.

BreadedVirus
28-09-2017, 02:20
After 8 hours of game play I'm still trying to figure out decent ffb settings for my T150. Fired up F1 2017 and the wheel feels fantastic. Was really hoping to get the same feel in PCARS 2, but no such luck.

slowGamer
28-09-2017, 04:12
It’s the mentality of the developer that we should just be patient since fixes will come

Or the mentality of publisher, we don't know. So it's both a Day 1 quality issue and an attitude issue. this isn't disrespectful to point this out from the pov of a customer, when stated politely as some have, including the OP.

Siberian Tiger
28-09-2017, 04:52
After 8 hours of game play I'm still trying to figure out decent ffb settings for my T150. Fired up F1 2017 and the wheel feels fantastic. Was really hoping to get the same feel in PCARS 2, but no such luck.

What would you like to Feel? FFB is to 90% a Personal Preference.

Strong Wheel / Light Wheel?
Details or Action?
Road Effects?
Curbs?

solocapers
28-09-2017, 09:27
No info on patches? Ian said himself they are coming.

You guys are so damn impatient.

I think every gamer should have to take a coding class. As an undergraduate, I took a class in programming with visual basic. We would make these stupid little applications to do things like calculating cost and all that. It was about as hard as my senior level classes in Geological sciences. One missing comma would crash the program and it would take the class hours just to find the error in a few lines of code.

I can only imagine the code for an entire video game. These guys have to systematically go through everything and they have to be careful. Fixing one bug can create 10 more. It isn't a quick fix. The devs probably have over 500,000 lines of code. Let them work through the bugs. Give them time. You whining doesn't solve everything, it ruins the forum experience for everyone. Seriously, like every other post on this site is a tantrum. Chill.

Stop being patronising. Testing is when most bugs should be found.

The simple fact is a lot of bugs have got through which really shouldn't have.

Some are more than forgivable like the odd invisible wall. Others not so much. Such as ice tyres not working. At all. Did no one test that? Or skip qualify and everyone is 5 seconds faster no matter what. Thats simple testing that's just clearly been neglected.

Add in all the other bugs and it's understandable why some are a bit miffed. It's playable in its current state however it seems like the ps4 version atleast was rushed to meet the release date. When people pay 40 quid upwards then surely they should expect all features to be working.

Glitches and crashes under certain circumstances are acceptable. Parts clearly not working for anyone are not.

Bugs on release should be ironed out to the stage where it's the few experiencing them. Not the many. Not only that SMS decide to release the wheel compatibility list AFTER the games release leaving many who pre ordered the game in the lurch with incompatible wheels that worked fine in the first game.

The point is, many people here want this game to be a success however with gt sport on the horizon many will be put off and give up.. If the community is to be healthy sms won't want easy points going to the other big releases and it's fair to say sms have shot themselves in the foot a bit.

garenki
28-09-2017, 10:58
The problem here is that it's clear that nobody debugged PS4 version. Literally.
I mean some bugs are not obscure things hidden in the late stage of the game. I mean, is it normal to not have seen that, after a bad crash and a retry, the car is still a mess? Crash and retry it's one of the most common thing an user could do in a racing game at the very first stage, how is it possibile that this kind of bug could have pass the debugging stage? And the answer is: no debugging at all.

Roger Prynne
28-09-2017, 11:40
The problem here is that it's clear that nobody debugged PS4 version. Literally.
I mean some bugs are not obscure things hidden in the late stage of the game. I mean, is it normal to not have seen that, after a bad crash and a retry, the car is still a mess? Crash and retry it's one of the most common thing an user could do in a racing game at the very first stage, how is it possibile that this kind of bug could have pass the debugging stage? And the answer is: no debugging at all.

We have no idea.

Flins
28-09-2017, 11:56
We have no idea.

as I said on another thread, it may be time for players to have a pre-list of all known issues, and to know what the 1st patch will correct first. A Kind of progress report from SMS
Even if it's not exhaustive.


I think it will be helpful for everybody

twotonetommy
28-09-2017, 17:00
I couldn't agree more with this statement. The online races are almost unplayable.


...
- Almost all of the online MP races I have entered have been unplayable. The sessions freeze, extreme lag when others join, the wall of death mid straight at Spa, very questionable penalties... And on top of it you get deducted ratings points for something you didnít do.


I really hope the patches come soon since I bought this game for online racing.