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JoshTheGeologist
06-10-2017, 01:39
Hello everyone, I must say thus far I have thoroughly enjoyed Project Cars 2. One thing that I feel is missing is the need for modern and historic NASCAR.

Before I start this thread, I realize the DLC packs content has been leaked so it is unlikely all of the following would be included in a DLC. I also realize that this content is likely too large for a DLC as it appears that SMS will only do eight cars and a couple of tracks per DLC. However, if this thread is well received, my hope is SMS will consider this parts of this content for extra DLC packs or possibly Project Cars 3.

The NASCAR pack:

NASCAR 09 was the last NASCAR game created by EA Sports. Since that time, the game has gone from being a simulator to being an absolute pile of rubble. The last two devs of the game can't figure anything out and the game literally looks like it is from the PS2... https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/YHIvLZC0REhvEvlaH2zRqPaf4FI=/0x0:1920x1080/1200x800/filters:focal(807x387:1113x693)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/55194877/NH2_MENCS_2.0.jpg

SMS can out do them in their sleep. I don't know how all the licensing would work, but it seems possible since SMS still has the Ford Fusion Stock Car in the game. It's time to expand on this with more stock cars, both modern and historic. There has never been a racing game to have historic NASCAR racing, and I think this would be a great chance to capitalize on it. This is something no one has ever tried. Not Forza, not Gran Turismo, not any NASCAR game. This is something every NASCAR fan would want. NASCAR is the second most watched sport in the U.S., only behind the NFL. Steal the market SMS.

By no means is this a complete list, there are so many amazing cars and tracks out there. I am very much aware that all that I have listed below is enough content for its own video game. However, I hope to spur discussion with the hope that maybe… just maybe, some of these cars and tracks may appear in future dlc/PC3

So you tell me, what do you think? Would you before this DLC? What requests do you have from this DLC? Post your cars/tracks below

Cars:

1954 Jaguar XK120 -
http://www.classic-car-history.com/classic%20british%20cars/jaguar-pictures/xk120-nascar-winner.jpg
In 1954 Al Keller drove his #4 Jaguar XK120 to victory 1954 in NASCAR's first ever road-course race.

1969 Dodge Charger Daytona -
https://squir.com/47883/dodge-charger-daytona-1969-nascar.jpg

1970 Plymouth Superbird -
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9vqEWjWWxcA/maxresdefault.jpg

1957 Ford Fairlane -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/83/cc/5e/83cc5edf03e99fa3a2093ee045e52544.jpg

The Fabulous Hudson Hornet -
https://cdn-7.motorsport.com/static/img/amp/400000/450000/453000/453000/453097/s6_56343/nascar-cup-daytona-500-2012-living-legends-of-auto-racing-street-parade.jpg

1949 Oldsmobile 88 -
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/1f/05/bf/1f05bf1b6227f7e5b42ad36eb8ebf235--bill-elliott-auto-paint.jpg

1957 Ford Fairlane NASCAR Convertible Series
http://www.2040-cars.com/_content/cars/images/61/717561/005.jpg

1992 Ford Thunderbird -
https://cdn2.mecum.com/auctions/fl0114/fl0114-173255/images/fl0114-173255_1.jpg?1385246638000

1981 Dodge Mirada -
https://i1.wp.com/macsmotorcitygarage.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/1981-Dodge-Mirada-Dave-Marcis-owner-Norm-Negre.jpg?fit=600%2C400&ssl=1

1988 Buick Regal -
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/42/03/85/420385894e48de7dbf7fecea756002ed.jpg

2005 Chevy Monte Carlo -
http://www.speedshots.biz/images/Pictures/2405BMS1744.jpg

2008 Toyota Camry COT -
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Brian_Vickers_2008_Red_Bull_Toyota_Camry.jpg

2013 Dodge Charger -
https://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/1203BL3197.jpg
The most famous car to never race. Dodge presented this option as their 6th Generation NASCAR. The car was a jaw dropper, but Penske shocked everyone when they signed up with Ford. The car never set foot on a race track.

2018 Chevy Camaro ZL1 -
https://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/chevrolet_camaro_nascar_zl1-1-626x383.jpg

1969 Ford Torino -
http://st.hotrod.com/uploads/sites/21/2013/10/1969-ford-torino-talladega-front.jpg

1987 Chevy Monte Carlo SS Aerodeck -
http://www.speednik.com/files/2015/01/11ac-06-38441.jpg

2018 Toyota Camry -
https://images.hgmsites.net/hug/2018-toyota-camry-nascar-race-car_100588920_h.jpg

2018 Ford NASCAR – Pics not yet released

This could also be a great time to display some of NASCAR’s lesser known series

2017 NASCAR Whelen Euro Series Ford Mustang
https://cdn.racingnews.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/2016-NASCAR-Whelen-Euro-Series-Ford-Mustang-Photos.jpg

2017 NASCAR Pinty Series Dodge Challenger
https://www.allpar.com/photos/racing/NASCAR/NCATS-Canadian-Tire/pintys-ranger-2017.jpg

2017 NASCAR Xfinity Series Toyota Camry
https://www.frontstretch.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2017-Daytona-I-NXS-Daniel-Suarez-Matt-Tifft-racing-Nigek-Kinrade-NKP-660x425.jpg

2017 NASCAR Camping World Truck Series Chevy Silverado
https://nbcnascartalk.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/644510294-e1487979507251.jpg?w=610&h=343&crop=1

2017 NASCAR Whelen Modified Series
http://speed51.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/mods-nwmt-58-goodale-2-coby-oswego-2016-537x350.png

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Tracks
Daytona Beach Road Course – 1950s
Half the course was beach sand, other half was State Road A1A.
http://cdn.rodauthority.com/files/2012/02/daytona_road_course_2.jpg

North Wilkesboro Speedway – 1990s
http://abnf.co/NC-North%20Wilkesboro%20Speedway/IMG_0095.jpg

Riverside International Raceway – 1980s
http://www.racedepartment.com/attachments/screenshot_ks_corvette_c7r_riverside_29-10-116-18-10-6-jpg.158165/

Texas World Speedway – 1970s
http://media.cms.windingroad.com/autos_db/uploads/image/Screen%20Shot%202015-01-29%20at%209.22.06%20AM_1.png

Rockingham Speedway – 2000s
http://www.yourdailyjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/web1_Rock_aerial-1.jpg

Bristol Motor Speedway – 2017
https://cdn.racingnews.co/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/2017-Bristol-Motor-Speedway-Late-Model-Event-2017-Bristol-US-Nationals.jpg

Charlotte Motor Speedway ROVAL – 2018
http://a3.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2017%2F1005%2Fr269546_800x450_16-9.jpg&w=1006&h=566&scale=crop&cquality=80&location=origin

Darlington Speedway – 1970s
https://brightcove.nascar.com/meta/1677257476001/201509/2202/1677257476001_4464620125001_cutdown-922.jpg?pubId=1677257476001

Darlington Speedway – 2017
https://static.nascar.com/content/dam/nascar/articles/2016/9/1/main/darlington-hu-main.jpg/jcr:content/renditions/original

Martinsville Speedway – 2017
https://static.nascar.com/content/dam/nascar/tracks/martinsville/hero/overhead.jpg/jcr:content/renditions/overhead.jpg.main.png

dault3883
06-10-2017, 01:56
Try Nascar 15 Victory edition if you can find it its the best one since Nascar 2006. Honestly after 2006 Ea sports started getting lazy, even 2006 had major glitches iv had several files on it go corrupt to the point i gave up and it was my favorite Ea sports nascar game. Nascar 2009 was horrible and while 2008 was ok it had some major problems too like the restrictor plate racing on it sucked.

the best Nascar games Ea Sports made were the Nascar Thunder games

JoshTheGeologist
06-10-2017, 02:01
Try Nascar 15 Victory edition if you can find it its the best one since Nascar 2006. Honestly after 2006 Ea sports started getting lazy, even 2006 had major glitches iv had several files on it go corrupt to the point i gave up and it was my favorite Ea sports nascar game. Nascar 2009 was horrible and while 2008 was ok it had some major problems too like the restrictor plate racing on it sucked.

the best Nascar games Ea Sports made were the Nascar Thunder games

That doesn't solve the historic nascar part though. If done right, SMS could really capitalize here

dault3883
06-10-2017, 02:06
That doesn't solve the historic nascar part though. If done right, SMS could really capitalize here

not exactly Nascar controls who has a franchise for its sport and only gives it out to one developer at a time sure they could do the cars but that doesnt mean they would have all the tracks right now Dusenbarry martin racing holds the franchise and partnered with Monster games for the 2016 and 2017 games. this is just something i dont see SMS doing

Ravager619
06-10-2017, 06:35
With some of the inactive tracks that are out there, I wonder if SMS could do them? It would be nice to see a Riverside or North Wilkesboro again in a video game.

dault3883
06-10-2017, 06:38
With some of the inactive tracks that are out there, I wonder if SMS could do them? It would be nice to see a Riverside or North Wilkesboro again in a video game.

Riverside would never be totally accurate since it was torn down over 30 years ago but i agree it would be nice to have those two heck even Top Gear BBC went to North Wilkesboro with some super cars LOL

SMS just make sure your accurate with Wilkesboro the highway runs less than 50 yards past the back of the grand stands they almost hang over the highway

Malcstar
06-10-2017, 06:48
I miss the caper montery (sp?) from part 1. Would love to try that with the new tire physics.

seb02
06-10-2017, 07:08
I would love to see the Caper and Bristol.

RacingAtHome
06-10-2017, 07:13
It's the Hudson Hornet. Hey everyone! The Hudson Hornet is back.

SIR_Driftalot
06-10-2017, 08:59
Historic NASCAR would only be slightly less boring than NASCAR in general.

I'm hoping the Pcars franchise gets large enough so that they can sell US/Euro versions that concerntrate on different motorsports for different markets and I never have to turn an oval again.

JoshTheGeologist
06-10-2017, 10:38
Riverside would never be totally accurate since it was torn down over 30 years ago but i agree it would be nice to have those two heck even Top Gear BBC went to North Wilkesboro with some super cars LOL

SMS just make sure your accurate with Wilkesboro the highway runs less than 50 yards past the back of the grand stands they almost hang over the highway

They have other historical tracks that are now defunct. I think it would be great to see

JoshTheGeologist
06-10-2017, 10:39
It's the Hudson Hornet. Hey everyone! The Hudson Hornet is back.

That's what I'm saying dude! That would literally be so cool.

JoshTheGeologist
06-10-2017, 10:40
Historic NASCAR would only be slightly less boring than NASCAR in general.

I'm hoping the Pcars franchise gets large enough so that they can sell US/Euro versions that concerntrate on different motorsports for different markets and I never have to turn an oval again.

I strongly disagree. I love the mix and have fully enjoyed European tracks and cars

JoshTheGeologist
06-10-2017, 10:43
I miss the caper montery (sp?) from part 1. Would love to try that with the new tire physics.

I miss it too. No idea why sms took it out

dault3883
06-10-2017, 15:07
They have other historical tracks that are now defunct. I think it would be great to see

i would love to see it too i wasnt saying i wouldnt its one of my wished tracks on the track wish list thread im just saying its not a track they could scan since it no longer exist where it used to be is a mall and a neighborhood

i would love to drive a European Nascar Stock car

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clanky
06-10-2017, 15:18
Historic NASCAR would only be slightly less boring than NASCAR in general.

I'm hoping the Pcars franchise gets large enough so that they can sell US/Euro versions that concerntrate on different motorsports for different markets and I never have to turn an oval again.

Well that's just... like... you're opinion man.

Honestly I thought the same Nascar is stupid turn left, turn left, turn left, turn left, etc. Then I got into it in iracing and it's a ton of fun, some of the most fun racing running in a big pack all bump drafting going 200 mph. I mean you don't _have_ to do the Nascar tracks, thats like saying you hate Watkins Glen and hope you never have to do it again.. Dont do it? No one is forcing you. I was really hoping for more nascar choices in PC2 and I understand they couldn't get the license sadly. However some historical Nascar tracks would be a GREAT idea thanks OP for the detailed right up and hopefully someone will grab this and maybe we can see it in PC3!

JoshTheGeologist
06-10-2017, 20:04
Well that's just... like... you're opinion man.

Honestly I thought the same Nascar is stupid turn left, turn left, turn left, turn left, etc. Then I got into it in iracing and it's a ton of fun, some of the most fun racing running in a big pack all bump drafting going 200 mph. I mean you don't _have_ to do the Nascar tracks, thats like saying you hate Watkins Glen and hope you never have to do it again.. Dont do it? No one is forcing you. I was really hoping for more nascar choices in PC2 and I understand they couldn't get the license sadly. However some historical Nascar tracks would be a GREAT idea thanks OP for the detailed right up and hopefully someone will grab this and maybe we can see it in PC3!

Yeah I think it would really generate a lot of new interest in the game!

dault3883
06-10-2017, 20:11
i think having different versions of the game for different markets isnt a good idea. Personally i like being able to drive non oval stuff iv grown bored with it for the most part with all my nascar games. The few ovals we have on here which are in america are enough. Now if we got some European ovals like UK's Rockingham that would be different. i think by splitting your fan base your going to hurt it. Maybe instead SMS could come out with a series of Oval DLC packs that way if you want it you can buy it or just leave it

Avextro
06-10-2017, 20:31
Not that either will be able to happen (soon anyway :) ) I would honestly rather see a fully fleshed out V8Supercras series in the game (Now known as Virgin Australia Supercars Championship), and that comes less than a week after being in a NASCAR at Vegas Motor Speedway.
But this is project cars, and what makes it so great is not that it focuses on a single Motorsport fleshing it out, but that it has a massive range of motorsports and tracks from all over the world giving you seemingly endless choices.

JoshTheGeologist
06-10-2017, 20:31
I just think it'd be a nice addition to PC2/PC3. Splitting versions would not be cool with me. I'm enjoying all the european tracks. I just think some of this stuff also deserves to be in the game

dault3883
06-10-2017, 20:38
I think that a V8 Supercars game could be done on its one if done by the right Developer company like Codemasters (when they do it right and arent jacking around) or even SMS. But if its done by a second Teir Studio like Activision or such it just wont be good enough to attract the V8 super car fans. It has to be done right and be a full fledged game. Ea Sports once had Nascar in the palm of their hands with the games they were doing good but then they got lazy and the product they were handing out was poor if not terrible so they lost the Franchise due to lack of selling games because in the end they just didnt care any more. The only problem i could see is V8 Supercars isnt really World known like F1 or Nascar is so your field of selling is limited but i still believe it could be done and done right with the right development house and the right marketing

3800racingfool
06-10-2017, 21:22
While I fully agree with the OP in that having both historic and modern NASCAR would be great. I'm betting that it'll never happen. Seems like Turn 10 is in line for that opportunity after having just announced a partnership with IMSA (http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/144791-imsa-announces-strategic-alliance-with-forza-franchise) (which is owned by NASCAR).

But! Never say never! I think it'd be flippin' awesome if something like this were to happen.

DECATUR PLAYA
06-10-2017, 21:24
I think the best solution here would be if they just gave us a few more tracks and maybe 2 or 3 of the old cars. Rockingham would really be nice. If we had a track that represents each type of oval that would be fine with me hell they just add Bristol which previous videos already shown they have put work into that would be fine with me.

For a game that doesn't focus on NASCAR they really did a good job with and for me may be the best I've ever played on console. I know I racing is out there but it's not on console and cost a bit more. As was said in the OP I don't think at this point that anyone could do it better than SMS has already done with it.

dault3883
06-10-2017, 21:37
I think the best solution here would be if they just gave us a few more tracks and maybe 2 or 3 of the old cars. Rockingham would really be nice. If we had a track that represents each type of oval that would be fine with me hell they just add Bristol which previous videos already shown they have put work into that would be fine with me.

For a game that doesn't focus on NASCAR they really did a good job with and for me may be the best I've ever played on console. I know I racing is out there but it's not on console and cost a bit more. As was said in the OP I don't think at this point that anyone could do it better than SMS has already done with it.

Rockingham? You mean North Carolina speedway(rockingham) or Rockingham UK? id rather see North Wilkesboro than Rockingham or even Texas World Speedway

DECATUR PLAYA
06-10-2017, 21:53
Rockingham? You mean North Carolina speedway(rockingham) or Rockingham UK? id rather see North Wilkesboro than Rockingham or even Texas World Speedway

N.C.

dault3883
06-10-2017, 21:54
N.C.

like i said id rather have Texas world speed way it has a road course also and is in the final stages before they tear it down Rockingham NC still needs work but isnt going any where any time soon

JoshTheGeologist
07-10-2017, 00:21
I think the best solution here would be if they just gave us a few more tracks and maybe 2 or 3 of the old cars. Rockingham would really be nice. If we had a track that represents each type of oval that would be fine with me hell they just add Bristol which previous videos already shown they have put work into that would be fine with me.

For a game that doesn't focus on NASCAR they really did a good job with and for me may be the best I've ever played on console. I know I racing is out there but it's not on console and cost a bit more. As was said in the OP I don't think at this point that anyone could do it better than SMS has already done with it.

Exactly. Just a couple of old cars and tracks and I would be happy. I couldn't pick a few, so thats why I posted so many :p

Ravager619
07-10-2017, 01:50
i think having different versions of the game for different markets isnt a good idea. Personally i like being able to drive non oval stuff iv grown bored with it for the most part with all my nascar games. The few ovals we have on here which are in america are enough. Now if we got some European ovals like UK's Rockingham that would be different. i think by splitting your fan base your going to hurt it. Maybe instead SMS could come out with a series of Oval DLC packs that way if you want it you can buy it or just leave it

I totally agree with this. Once I bought PC1, I really fell in love with road racing. I can't get myself to watch NASCAR anymore. IMSA? I'm either watching it on TV or the Fox Sports Go app. Same thing for WEC. I also like catching the occasional race on the NISMO TV channel on YouTube, too.

dault3883
07-10-2017, 01:55
I totally agree with this. Once I bought PC1, I really fell in love with road racing. I can't get myself to watch NASCAR anymore. IMSA? I'm either watching it on TV or the Fox Sports Go app. Same thing for WEC. I also like catching the occasional race on the NISMO TV channel on YouTube, too.

i used to be a Devoted nascar fan but always loved sports car racing any ways i just would hate to see the game split off like that i stopped being a nascar fan though because nascar stopped listening to the fans but that aside i just think it would hurt their buyers in america since we already have so many nascar games out there to choose from if you include all the easports nascar games and the Dusenberry martin racing/704/Monster games its kinda been over played and i want something with spice and Pcars gives that with the variety it gives

Avextro
07-10-2017, 01:59
The only problem i could see is V8 Supercars isnt really World known like F1 or Nascar is so your field of selling is limited but i still believe it could be done and done right with the right development house and the right marketing

I agree. But then again, starting next year we have a full points weekend at the Australian Gran Prix alongside F1, and with possibilities of moving towards Asia it might start to get much more widely know soon. Definitely a world class series that can get a big enough following to justify a game. Hopefully it’s something that could happen in the next decade. Imagine having classic cars too...

dault3883
07-10-2017, 02:03
I agree. But then again, starting next year we have a full points weekend at the Australian Gran Prix alongside F1, and with possibilities of moving towards Asia it might start to get much more widely know soon. Definitely a world class series that can get a big enough following to justify a game. Hopefully it’s something that could happen in the next decade. Imagine having classic cars too...

i think you could justify a game right now it would just have to be with a big name development house like SMS or Codemaster or even Milestone who have done the MotoGP games and is doing the new game Gravel thats coming out early 2018. i just think it would need to be well done so as to not make the series look bad

Avextro
07-10-2017, 05:30
i think you could justify a game right now it would just have to be with a big name development house like SMS or Codemaster or even Milestone who have done the MotoGP games and is doing the new game Gravel thats coming out early 2018. i just think it would need to be well done so as to not make the series look bad

Now it just needs to happen...SMS almost had thek lisenced for PCARS 2 but Supercars wanted them to add too many kf their tracks. And even if the AI csnt replicate the same insanely good racing, as long as they dint dk a piss poor job the fars speak for themselves.

At least until then I can rip around Bathurst on PCARS 2 in a...Ford... *sigh*

dault3883
07-10-2017, 05:57
Now it just needs to happen...SMS almost had the lisenced for PCARS 2 but Supercars wanted them to add too many kf their tracks. And even if the AI csnt replicate the same insanely good racing, as long as they dint dk a piss poor job the fars speak for themselves.

At least until then I can rip around Bathurst on PCARS 2 in a...Ford... *sigh*

im sorry i couldnt gather what some of your quote said and dont want to fully comment on it till i do so i put in bold the stuff that i didnt understand

JoshTheGeologist
07-10-2017, 14:28
I'm not sure why we're talking about splitting the game, that is never what this was about. Simply just want some of this stuff included in PC2/3. We have historical IndyCar, LeMans, F1. Why not a few stock cars? I think it would be so awesome. Not trying to turn this into another game by any means lol

dault3883
07-10-2017, 14:58
I'm not sure why we're talking about splitting the game, that is never what this was about. Simply just want some of this stuff included in PC2/3. We have historical IndyCar, LeMans, F1. Why not a few stock cars? I think it would be so awesome. Not trying to turn this into another game by any means lol

we started talking about a V8 supercars stand alone game me and Avextro did sorry

JoshTheGeologist
09-10-2017, 02:23
While I fully agree with the OP in that having both historic and modern NASCAR would be great. I'm betting that it'll never happen. Seems like Turn 10 is in line for that opportunity after having just announced a partnership with IMSA (http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/144791-imsa-announces-strategic-alliance-with-forza-franchise) (which is owned by NASCAR).

But! Never say never! I think it'd be flippin' awesome if something like this were to happen.

I don't think that would affect it, as PC2 has the ford fusion. What has Turn 10 made?

dault3883
09-10-2017, 02:26
I don't think that would affect it, as PC2 has the ford fusion. What has Turn 10 made?

the stock cars likeness of the ford fusion toyota camry and chevy ss belong to the manufacturers not nascar

JoshTheGeologist
09-10-2017, 03:23
Exactly. Which means the other manufactures and historical manufactures are completely possibly!

dault3883
09-10-2017, 03:33
Exactly. Which means the other manufactures and historical manufactures are completely possibly!

yes but if you want the tracks you do have to go to nascar because about half of them are owned by Nascar while the other half are owned by Bruton Smith including North Wilkesboro and North Carolina speedway aka Rockingham

Gloomy
09-10-2017, 04:15
I'm not a big Nascar guy, but that 1950's car and track combo looks like it could be fun.

dault3883
09-10-2017, 04:17
I'm not a big Nascar guy, but that 1950's car and track combo looks like it could be fun.

that was Daytona beach before daytona international speedway was built they used to race the race half on the beach and half on the highway next to it

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johnnyone
09-10-2017, 11:00
SMS should make a Dirt Track game,there hasnt been a good one since Ratbags games,Modifieds,Late Models Srints.

JoshTheGeologist
09-10-2017, 11:44
See Daytona Beach would be amazing. Omg. I'd love to run on the beach during a sunset!

JoshTheGeologist
15-11-2017, 04:26
I'm a little surprised people did not buy into this. This would be such an awesome addition