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Ciccina2016
12-10-2017, 14:00
Good Morning Guys
I need a race setup for Silverstone (autumn season) for the touring car 2012 BMW 320 TC (E90).

Now, the reason why I specificed autumn season is that if I race with the base setup in summer season , the car is fine.
However in autumn season as the track temperature drops, the tyres never reach the optimum temperature ( above 75), especially the right side tyres and this creates an oversteer on fast right corner impossible to manage.
Now.. I tried to lower pressure to the minimum as well as to lower the springs ( to increase tyre contact with tarmac ) as well as to soften the posterior anti-roll bar but it did not work.

Last but not least, I drive the car without assist and the rear-wheel Drive does not help as well in this situation. Anyone ??

blinkngone
12-10-2017, 14:31
Good Morning Guys
I need a race setup for Silverstone (autumn season) for the touring car 2012 BMW 320 TC (E90).

Now, the reason why I specificed autumn season is that if I race with the base setup in summer season , the car is fine.
However in autumn season as the track temperature drops, the tyres never reach the optimum temperature ( above 75), especially the right side tyres and this creates an oversteer on fast right corner impossible to manage.
Now.. I tried to lower pressure to the minimum as well as to lower the springs ( to increase tyre contact with tarmac ) as well as to soften the posterior anti-roll bar but it did not work.

Last but not least, I drive the car without assist and the rear-wheel Drive does not help as well in this situation. Anyone ??

Which Silverstone? There is GP, International, National and Stowe? The set up is not the same for each of these tracks.

Ciccina2016
12-10-2017, 15:06
Which Silverstone? There is GP, International, National and Stowe? The set up is not the same for each of these tracks.

My apologies again, Silverstone GP.

Interesting fact , I can run in 2:14:800 in Summer Season, but same setup (Autumn Season) I can barely keep the car on track due to lack of grip.

blinkngone
12-10-2017, 15:06
Hi Ciccina,

Only 1 person on PC has driven this car on the Silverstone tracks so there isn't much information. I don't have a car set up so I just ran Silverstone National. The improvement in lap time I made was by reducing the number of clutch plates to 2 from 6, this reduced the oversteer for me, I made no other changes to the car. You may be at lot faster than me but I still think it might help you.

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Ciccina2016
12-10-2017, 15:21
Thanks for helping me..

blinkngone
12-10-2017, 15:54
Thanks for helping me..

I don't know if I've helped you, I am trying. If you look at the what the race engineer says for clutches you will understand why I reduced them as a try. I have read many comments about lack of grip in colder weather, I am not doing career so I don't have to deal with it. I think it is not necessarily a good idea to keep lowering the right side air pressure because you are going to possibly cause more grip/oversteer.
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The only TT run on PC is a 2:17.800 so TT is considered slower by some, you are in the same ball park.

blinkngone
12-10-2017, 23:50
Hey cinnia, I know your are busy but if you could look up the BMW TC TT time for Silverstone National on PS4 I would appreciate it. I've been trying to improve the set up and I am getting close to a 59 something, I need to know how far off I am.

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blinkngone
13-10-2017, 01:07
Hi ciccina. The guy in the Mercedes is kicking b**t on PC. UK simracer is usually 2 seconds ahead of the nearest BMW, so from here(PC) it looks like I'm doing ok but I have heard console players are typically faster so I still need information.
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Ciccina2016
13-10-2017, 07:25
I will try tonight

Ciccina2016
13-10-2017, 07:26
Hi ciccina. The guy in the Mercedes is kicking b**t on PC. UK simracer is usually 2 seconds ahead of the nearest BMW, so from here(PC) it looks like I'm doing ok but I have heard console players are typically faster so I still need information.
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This is because BMWs are oversteering on the fast corners and we cannot push, if I drive with the Mercedes I am 2 seconds faster on average..

Ciccina2016
13-10-2017, 07:35
Hi Ciccina,

Only 1 person on PC has driven this car on the Silverstone tracks so there isn't much information. I don't have a car set up so I just ran Silverstone National. The improvement in lap time I made was by reducing the number of clutch plates to 2 from 6, this reduced the oversteer for me, I made no other changes to the car. You may be at lot faster than me but I still think it might help you.

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I ran a 1:00.979 with the BMW GT4

Hello, I tried to modify the clutch plate as you suggested but it did not really improve the issue of oversteering when in the middle of fast corners.
Apparently this is a peculiarity of this car in Silverstone since PC1..
http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?46014-How-do-you-drive-the-BMW-320-TC

blinkngone
13-10-2017, 09:39
Hello, I tried to modify the clutch plate as you suggested but it did not really improve the issue of oversteering when in the middle of fast corners.
Apparently this is a peculiarity of this car in Silverstone since PC1..
http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?46014-How-do-you-drive-the-BMW-320-TC

Hi Ciccina, I have the PC1 WR for the BMW TC on PC at 59.075 at National. I don't care for the car but I guess in Career you were forced to drive it in a series? I know it probably isn't the case but I felt/feel as though the center of gravity was too high. I've made a lot of changes to the car besides the clutch plates now. With most of the cars in PC2 at this track they are 2 seconds slower(or more) than in PC1. For some reason with the setup I am working on I am at 100.179, just 1.104 seconds slower.

Sorry I couldn't help. Can't you just turn down the AI so you can escape from the series you are in?

Ciccina2016
13-10-2017, 09:57
Hi Ciccina, I have the PC1 WR for the BMW TC on PC at 59.075 at National. I don't care for the car but I guess in Career you were forced to drive it in a series? I know it probably isn't the case but I felt/feel as though the center of gravity was too high. I've made a lot of changes to the car besides the clutch plates now. With most of the cars in PC2 at this track they are 2 seconds slower(or more) than in PC1. For some reason with the setup I am working on I am at 100.179, just 1.104 seconds slower.

Sorry I couldn't help. Can't you just turn down the AI so you can escape from the series you are in?


:) I am going to do an event with my friends in that circuit with that car , and no one of my friends can do a proper lap.

Interesting the centre of gravity position , I will try to work on the height although the real challenge is to move it towards the rear..

blinkngone
13-10-2017, 10:42
Ok, I'll keep working on it as well. Would you switch to National for testing so we can compare apples to apples?

Ciccina2016
13-10-2017, 10:59
Ok, I'll keep working on it as well. Would you switch to National for testing so we can compare apples to apples?


Hello blinkngone , please refer to the attachment

the issue is that in the National version you have only 1 out of 4 corners with the oversterring issue , I have highlighted with green arrows where I lose control of the rear.

I guess , if you cannot switch to GP I will switch to National ( copse corner is the one I lose at least 2 seconds). Please let me know.

blinkngone
13-10-2017, 12:23
Hello blinkngone , please refer to the attachment

the issue is that in the National version you have only 1 out of 4 corners with the oversterring issue , I have highlighted with green arrows where I lose control of the rear.

I guess , if you cannot switch to GP I will switch to National ( copse corner is the one I lose at least 2 seconds). Please let me know.

Yes please switch to National, I can't do long tracks(disability) sorry. We can still compare set ups though.

Ciccina2016
13-10-2017, 12:30
Yes please switch to National, I can't do long tracks(disability) sorry. We can still compare set ups though.

No worries. I will connect tonight , if my girlfriend does not sell my ps4 pro first..

blinkngone
13-10-2017, 12:49
No worries. I will connect tonight , if my girlfriend does not sell my ps4 pro first..
Ok thanks. Sorry, I used to go through that with my wife as well. So I went out and bought a series of sportbikes nearly killing myself several times, she doesn't have so much to say any more about my gaming. Good luck.
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blinkngone
13-10-2017, 13:50
More inside out, really stable, got my 59. Well for an old slow guy it's ok.
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blinkngone
13-10-2017, 14:18
Ok nevermind, thanks Nada. I guess I just can't drive this thing.
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Going in to sector 3 I can come close but then I wreck or mess it up badly, every car though, not just this one.

blinkngone
13-10-2017, 15:14
Hi Nada, thanks again for the help! I am doing better now. If you have some time could you run Silverstone GP, I don't think the time there is the best?
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Ciccina2016
13-10-2017, 15:21
Ok nevermind, thanks Nada. I guess I just can't drive this thing.
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Going in to sector 3 I can come close but then I wreck or mess it up badly, every car though, not just this one.

I believe you are racing in summer season? the track temperature is high and therefore the car is drivable.

You should create a session in autumn season and you will see a complete different behaviour

SLR Forza Akula
13-10-2017, 15:37
I have a 58.0 on the boards on xbox with this car took along time tuning i dont have a way to screenshot them i dont think? Can i upload photos from phone for settings i used? Silver National

Also i used controller no assists this car is a complete pain turning left on difficult to hear the right tyres fully

blinkngone
13-10-2017, 16:23
Hi SLR Forza Akula, thank you very much. I think that might work, would appreciate it, it would be nice to take out the Mercedes AMG A 45 SMS R Touring(the longer name makes it faster) record of 58.800 here, different project though.

Hi, I think understand. The set up I am working on isn't for fast. I am trying to work on what I think will be better for low grip but I don't really know. I thought the problem was through the esses section and entering the final straight on the back stretch on the GP circuit? This is the area of maximum instability no? Is there another corner(s) that is a problem?

Copse shouldn't be a problem(it's the same corner on the National track), you barely brake and minimum steer through copse, start your turn at the 100 marker. Maggotts to Chapel Curve is where I thought the problem was.
I don't think Stowe is a problem as long as you don't try and run wide then overcorrect to get back, you need to get closer to the inside on the right, brake earlier.

blinkngone
13-10-2017, 16:34
This. Some questions, when I exit the pits the tires are blue(it says slicks but I have never seen blue) and the front tire temps say 240F? Also, I seem to have problems getting the car to go why?
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blinkngone
13-10-2017, 16:50
See, won't get out of 3rd gear.
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SLR Forza Akula
13-10-2017, 19:30
Cant share the pictures but if you go to xbox and search for me SLR Forza Akula, go to captures i have screenshotted them on there. I hope the settings help but im not very good at tuning it took me best part of 8-9 hours and alot of patience. Anyway i really hope this helps you guys im trying to get this BMW to work but its hard work, found this tune also isnt too bad on Raupuna Park Club when its warm enough :)

blinkngone
13-10-2017, 19:43
Cant share the pictures but if you go to xbox and search for me SLR Forza Akula, go to captures i have screenshotted them on there. I hope the settings help but im not very good at tuning it took me best part of 8-9 hours and alot of patience. Anyway i really hope this helps you guys im trying to get this BMW to work but its hard work, found this tune also isnt too bad on Raupuna Park Club when its warm enough :)

Ok, Thank you again!

blinkngone
13-10-2017, 19:54
I'm just going to put up the set up. I can't do custom races. I can't check tire pressure in "autumn" because I can't get the car to over 80mph.
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Ciccina2016
13-10-2017, 22:39
I'm just going to put up the set up. I can't do custom races. I can't check tire pressure in "autumn" because I can't get the car to over 80mph.
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I have given up as well, I believe the BMW is undriveable in this track at this condition regardless the setup.
It simply does not work

blinkngone
13-10-2017, 22:49
Sorry. No luck with your friends either?

Ciccina2016
13-10-2017, 22:53
no one has decided to use it.

blinkngone
13-10-2017, 23:01
Ok.
Thanks for the help people, Nada, SLR ForzaAkula, speedRush, cpcdem. It didn't work but I appreciate your efforts.

Anyone want to help with the KTM X Bow at Nurburgring Sprint please go ahead, my set up is newer than cpcdems.

Ciccina2016
13-10-2017, 23:11
on this.. they are blue because tires are cold.. they need to get to the real temperature which is above 70 touring cars

blinkngone
13-10-2017, 23:27
on this.. they are blue because tires are cold.. they need to get to the real temperature which is above 70 touring cars
Yeah, how are you supposed to get them up to temp.? I couldn't get the car above 81 mph at a 2:30 lap, it wasn't slipping it was broken. Does the Mercedes AMG work?

Ciccina2016
13-10-2017, 23:37
This is why the car does not perform, the other touring cars get into temperature

blinkngone
13-10-2017, 23:47
This is why the car does not perform, the other touring cars get into temperature

No, my 320 TC is broken, I tried the BMW 320 Turbo no problem, 95 in 1st/2nd gear. Is there something I need to do in the pits with the TC? Repair engine?
See? Mercedes AMG. Blue Tires? Still goes.
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See BMW 320 TC same section of track?
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blinkngone
14-10-2017, 00:51
The BMW 320 TC works, I just ran it, it doesn't work in "Custom Race"
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SLR Forza Akula
14-10-2017, 07:03
This car is rather hopeless in cold conditions i agree its just undriveable sadly. Ive only really driven the astra but couldnt try anything with it as it kept sending me out of the pits with both rears completely flat. Does this happen with all theTC cars or just the Bmw?

blinkngone
14-10-2017, 08:20
This car is rather hopeless in cold conditions i agree its just undriveable sadly. Ive only really driven the astra but couldnt try anything with it as it kept sending me out of the pits with both rears completely flat. Does this happen with all theTC cars or just the Bmw?

The AMG A45 is fine, WTF.

Ciccina2016
14-10-2017, 08:27
This car is rather hopeless in cold conditions i agree its just undriveable sadly. Ive only really driven the astra but couldnt try anything with it as it kept sending me out of the pits with both rears completely flat. Does this happen with all theTC cars or just the Bmw?

Shall we raise as a bug?? I think it does not make any sense.

blinkngone
14-10-2017, 08:37
Yeah, go ahead I tried in the General Section yesterday. If more people complain maybe something will get done.

blinkngone
14-10-2017, 08:40
Nevermind, someone said to check TC.

blinkngone
14-10-2017, 09:08
Ok for some reason you can't use TC at 1% in the Custom Race like in TT so I set it to 10 and it's fine. First lap on cold tires I ran 2:19, you are right the tires are going to need a couple of laps to warm up but should be manageable. I am not a GP driver I ran 2:16 in my first run at warm TT track. So you should be able to get within a couple of seconds of your summer time. By undriveable did you mean to slow?
Attached is the BRAKE setup I'm using, I don't understand why the setups are still messing up, I still need to go back and check every page.
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blinkngone
14-10-2017, 09:22
Ciccina you really need to test the set up out on the National TT track, you may want to move the brake bias to 40/60, that is what cpcdem was using when he made his runs. I don't know what Nada used but their times are close. This is what you need to determine first, your brake bias. Next you can try the weight distribution.

Ciccina2016
15-10-2017, 20:09
well done.. 2:16 is a great lap for BMW , however with any other TC car you hit easily 2:14

blinkngone
15-10-2017, 20:16
well done.. 2:16 is a great lap for BMW , however with any other TC car you hit easily 2:14

Ok, but I am not good at GP and I only did one lap, the A45 does look good.

blinkngone
16-10-2017, 01:11
Thanks Marcel B for making a run, good job. Everybody has given up on the BMW at this track, it's too easy to run faster with the Mercedes A45.