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miniwill58
14-10-2017, 11:11
Hi guys, new to the forum so please be gentle with me!

Putting in the hours on PC2 recently mainly in career mode working through GT and touring car championships and having an absolute blast!

Thought I would mix it up a bit and try some oval racing, Ford Fusion at Daytona speedway, AI at 95%, I cant keep up! The car seems very stable with the stock set up and the whole oval is flat out, only up to about 195mph and the AI is getting away from me...

Where do I start with setting up these cars please? Any help much appreciated :cool:

blinkngone
14-10-2017, 11:37
Hi! Welcome miniwill. Start in TT so we can see what you are doing?
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jimmyb_84
14-10-2017, 11:59
Raise starting tyre pressure the higher you can go while keeping temps under control. More air in the tyres reduces your rolling resistance (friction) and should gain you a few mph/kph top speed

miniwill58
14-10-2017, 13:40
Ok, trying to do this but every time I exit the session, there are no times recorded?

blinkngone
14-10-2017, 13:47
Ok, trying to do this but every time I exit the session, there are no times recorded?
Ok sorry, me to. We can try and get someone to notice. Hang in there.

miniwill58
14-10-2017, 13:58
Ok sorry, me to. We can try and get someone to notice. Hang in there.

Ok :)

In the mean time, I was getting around a 47 second lap on TT. I’m now back on a custom race, at 95% the AI qualify with a 45.5!

I’ve dropped the difficulty to 79% and I can just about keep up in the race, being in the draft definitely helps... I’ll post a race laptime in the draft once I stop crashing! :p

blinkngone
14-10-2017, 14:22
Ok :)

In the mean time, I was getting around a 47 second lap on TT. I’m now back on a custom race, at 95% the AI qualify with a 45.5!

I’ve dropped the difficulty to 79% and I can just about keep up in the race, being in the draft definitely helps... I’ll post a race laptime in the draft once I stop crashing! :p

Ok, thanks. TT is usually slower so you're ok. No answers yet from my post in General.
What set up did you run? How many laps? Where are shocks red the most turn 1 or through 3 and 4?

2nd lap Stable, tire temperatures are way off, how many laps does it take to get them up to temperature?
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This is what the temperatures should be.
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miniwill58
14-10-2017, 14:34
Ok, thanks. TT is usually slower so you're ok. No answers yet from my post in General.
What set up did you run? How many laps? Where are shocks red the most turn 1 or through 3 and 4?

About equal in all of them to be honest, Tuen 1 maybe slightly more...

blinkngone
14-10-2017, 14:59
About equal in all of them to be honest, Tuen 1 maybe slightly more...

How many laps to get the temperatures up? Did you have to adjust your pressures after you ran enough to get them up to temperature?
Oh nevermind, temps appear to be meaningless, just increase pressure to go faster.
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miniwill58
14-10-2017, 15:55
How many laps to get the temperatures up? Did you have to adjust your pressures after you ran enough to get them up to temperature?
Oh nevermind, temps appear to be meaningless, just increase pressure to go faster.
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Yep, I found the same. Increased to max to reduce rolling resistance as someone said earlier.

blinkngone
14-10-2017, 16:36
Ok I am just ignoring the temperature and going for balancing the pressures after 2 laps. Meh, best run for me so far. Any idea what pressure target is?
Sorry can't get rid of the time post it's wrong.

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blinkngone
14-10-2017, 17:10
Ok I am working on springs. When you receive manual control the pressures are at 3.40Bar, after running 2 laps they have dropped to around 3.30Bar. Do you increase your pressure to get 3.40? I'm adjusting the springs, the front right and rear mostly a little bit at a time. I'll go to ride height next.

I've done better but this is the only one I have a picture of. Also the line through 3 and 4 I am using is to enter high 3 and exit low from 4, I know its really bumpy crossing through center but I couldn't get any consistency otherwise.
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blinkngone
14-10-2017, 17:42
Nope ride height for me doesn't do anything. I'm getting my laps more consistent, within a couple but I'm still slow 47.00 +0.02 -0.2. I think I'll try the 3.40 pressure target.

blinkngone
14-10-2017, 20:28
Tried ride height again, lowered rear 6mm, 7 and more didn't seem to work. Here is my suspension if you want to see if it works for you.
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blinkngone
14-10-2017, 23:14
This is where I am at, where are you?
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blinkngone
14-10-2017, 23:28
Made some changes. 2mm did this.
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blinkngone
15-10-2017, 00:01
I started increasing springs again, bored. I can't drive worth a s**t. It looks easy on TV but when I see my replay I should be arrested, DUI.
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seb02
16-10-2017, 17:50
Tried ride height again, lowered rear 6mm, 7 and more didn't seem to work. Here is my suspension if you want to see if it works for you.
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my current time is 0'49. I lack a priori speed, I reach only 187.5 mph. I made the changes as you wrote for the suspensions. The last gear of the gearbox is 3.70. THE radiator is 10% I do not know what to do to improve my speed. I need help please.

blinkngone
16-10-2017, 18:05
Sorry seb02, these are the tire pressures I am using. Are these yours?
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blinkngone
16-10-2017, 18:15
Here is everything I have done. I made this run at 2.10PM just now, 0:48.640. sorry old and dyslexic, 0:46.840.
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blinkngone
16-10-2017, 18:43
seb02 no one is helping me either, I have never driven this car/track combo. I don't get any responses so there must be secret information. I learned to get where I am by trial and error, mostly the later. I drive the track this way, first be on the gas while you are waiting or you will lose time when the game starts you off. The first lap I enter turn 1 really high and hold it until about the middle and cut down slowly toward the exit of turn 2. This puts me off line a little to the left of where I want to be entering turn 3 so about the middle of the back straight I am easing over so I can enter turn 3 toward the high side(wall) but not too close. Then, I start crossing toward the center and when I exit turn 4 I am only feet from the yellow out of bounds on the left toward the pits. I try not to move the wheel too much and cross the start finish low and ease up a little toward the high side of turn 1 but not as high as I started the first lap. Then I start cutting down thru the center more aggressively going lower than the first lap(I am nearer the yellow) and began to move toward the entrance of turn 3 but this time I am entering a little lower than before. I cut down earlier toward the inside but I try and keep the same exit from turn 4 and usually I am pretty low toward the inside of start finish when I am done. I have yet to be able to make a better lap on the 3rd lap.

Hey, I looked it up and the 2017 Daytona 500 pole winner was Chase Elliot at 46.663, so I am faster. At least I am going in the right direction. I can't se shi* I need some coffee so I'm really 2 tenths slower.

blinkngone
16-10-2017, 19:30
I used to like Chase.:D
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blinkngone
16-10-2017, 19:48
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Lowered left front ride height.

seb02
17-10-2017, 10:04
I modified like you but I'm far: best time 0'48''600 (i play with a controller ): impossible to compete with the AI ​​because even with a level to 0, it turns in 0'47''400.
I noticed that my tires are never at the right temperature: the green remains dark. I have tried to increase or reduce the pressure, it has not changed anything. I only do 5 laps, maybe I have to do more?

blinkngone
17-10-2017, 11:42
Sorry seb02, the pressures I have are for TT. What are you running in Time Trial? When you are in a race you need to adjust your pressures. I try and get my pressures to around 340 after running 2 laps. I think I have the pressures balanced enough that you should be able to add or subtract an equal amount to each tire. I have no idea about temperatures, see my picture in previous post, my tires are dark like yours.

The more laps I run the pressure continues to drop, as well as the temperatures. This is the opposite I have seen in real Nascar racing. The pressures tend to increase which is why they start at lower pressure and then the pressure builds up and they go faster. The temperature doesn't continue to decrease as they run more laps.
Increased pressure.
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seb02
17-10-2017, 12:17
I do not drive too much in time trial. it gets cold tires at the start of the race so I use the custom race mode. my best time is 0'48''600 which does not allow me to be competitive with an AI at 0%. It is very frustrating.

blinkngone
17-10-2017, 12:52
Normal pressure.
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Lower pressure.
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blinkngone
17-10-2017, 12:53
I do not drive too much in time trial. it gets cold tires at the start of the race so I use the custom race mode. my best time is 0'48''600 which does not allow me to be competitive with an AI at 0%. It is very frustrating.

seb02 drive time trial so we can compare times. I'm sorry both are platforms are broken for Nascar, we can't use ghosts or see the times from other drivers as a benchmark for improvement. You and I need to take the same setup and run Time Trial, this way we can see if it is the set up or the lines we take around the track. We need to separate the car from the driver or we will not get anywhere. Changing pressures didn't do much, from low pressure(48.099) which is worse case the higher pressure ranged from 46.760 to 47.820, not enough to help.

Spirit X
17-10-2017, 17:07
I've been trying to race the stock cars too and it seems to me that there's something not right with the cars. I increased my pressures to max just to see what would happen and....it had no effect on anything at all. Tyre temperatures were completely unaffected. I don't know much about cars particularly but I'm assuming this is some kind of bug!

blinkngone
17-10-2017, 17:11
I've been trying to race the stock cars too and it seems to me that there's something not right with the cars. I increased my pressures to max just to see what would happen and....it had no effect on anything at all. Tyre temperatures were completely unaffected. I don't know much about cars particularly but I'm assuming this is some kind of bug!

Yeah Spirit X, like you I only got involved because the OP asked for help. It sure seems jacked up to me. Everything about it from not being able to save times in TT to the tire behavior which is opposite to real life, pressure only decrease over time....

seb02
17-10-2017, 17:32
I did time trial and I find that I am less fast. My best time is 0'49''020. I'm not fast enough I barely reach the 187.5 mph. I lose some speed in the corners. I can not fight against AI even at level 0, it's not normal.

blinkngone
17-10-2017, 17:45
I did time trial and I find that I am less fast. My best time is 0'49''020. I'm not fast enough I barely reach the 187.5 mph. I lose some speed in the corners. I can not fight against AI even at level 0, it's not normal.

That's ok seb02, if we both have TT runs using the same car and yours is 49.020 and I am 46.720 then all we have to do is improve your driving lines. You can only run the outside in the draft, the distance is too great for a single car run in TT. Oh, unless you don't need to qualify in your race?

seb02
17-10-2017, 17:58
thanks. when you speak of "outsite in the draft", what do you mean precisely? English is not my first language so I did not understand. Does that mean I have to run close to the wall?

blinkngone
17-10-2017, 19:05
thanks. when you speak of "outsite in the draft", what do you mean precisely? English is not my first language so I did not understand. Does that mean I have to run close to the wall?

I understand, we have a language issue and a bugged game as well where you can't see where people drive the track. You don't want to be close to the wall. The distance around the track is greater so you won't get a decent lap. In the draft with a group of cars you can run close to the wall (outside) because the group of cars is moving the air out of the way so you have much less drag affecting the group of cars. When you are by yourself qualifying you need to make the distance around the track shorter to gain time. On your starting lap(1st) when you cross the start finish you need to be at 0:49.6 to 49.8. When you exit turn 2 your time should be GREEN -2.39 to -2.5. similar when you enter turn 3 unless you messed up on the back straight. When you exit turn 4 you should be GREEN-2.5 to -2.7 which should give you a 0:46.720 to 0:46.8. Use the driving line most of the time for how low to go but mostly I am slightly above the line on entering the corner like my left front wheel just above it. Then before the middle I move my left front wheel below the guiding line and my right front is going through the bumps, real bad but who cares if it is faster. You have to hit the 0:49.6 to 0:49.8 in order to get a decent 2nd lap if you make a mistake you are not dead but you will need to continue doing laps to improve your time. I only saw a little drop off after lap 2 when I messed up but in order to hit my best lap I need to hit these targets.

seb02
18-10-2017, 12:20
I took note, I tried but I can not. I do very constant rounds between 0'48''900 and 0'49''200 but no way to do better. I wonder if playing with a controller is a reason. I used your setup (I think it lacks the suspensions or dampers), I use the inside but my top speed is insufficient.

blinkngone
18-10-2017, 13:41
I took note, I tried but I can not. I do very constant rounds between 0'48''900 and 0'49''200 but no way to do better. I wonder if playing with a controller is a reason. I used your setup (I think it lacks the suspensions or dampers), I use the inside but my top speed is insufficient.

Sorry seb02, it may be the controller. But, you have to use my suspension, that is where I made the changes that helped me the most.

seb02
18-10-2017, 14:39
Here is everything I have done. I made this run at 2.10PM just now, 0:48.640. sorry old and dyslexic, 0:46.840.
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Did you make any changes on the dampers? because there are no sreenshots

blinkngone
18-10-2017, 15:05
No seb02, the suspension where I changed the ride height to affect the airflow over the car made the difference.

seb02
18-10-2017, 17:34
I changed the settings of my controller in a different way and I have better results. My best time is 0'47''200 which is much better. I am satisfied and thank you very much. I tried on the oval of Monza and there, the car is very unstable. Do you have any suggestions?

blinkngone
18-10-2017, 18:20
I changed the settings of my controller in a different way and I have better results. My best time is 0'47''200 which is much better. I am satisfied and thank you very much. I tried on the oval of Monza and there, the car is very unstable. Do you have any suggestions?
That's great seb02!:cool: That's a huge improvement from your previous posts. I have never driven there, would you like me to try it out for you? What car are you wanting to run?

seb02
18-10-2017, 19:04
yes it is a good progression. By changing the parameters of my controller, I lose less speed in the corners so it's great. I try the Ford Fusion on the Oval of Monza (this one turns right) and it is necessary to change parameters, the speed is also more important than Daytona. But for now, the car is very unstable. If you have ideas, I want your help if you can.

blinkngone
18-10-2017, 19:32
yes it is a good progression. By changing the parameters of my controller, I lose less speed in the corners so it's great. I try the Ford Fusion on the Oval of Monza (this one turns right) and it is necessary to change parameters, the speed is also more important than Daytona. But for now, the car is very unstable. If you have ideas, I want your help if you can.Ok, the Daytona set up won't work there. he Nissan GTP ZX-T is much faster.

blinkngone
18-10-2017, 20:03
Very sorry seb02. The set up is messed up. It is set up for left turns still. I crashed everywhere, is that what you mean by unstable?
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Here wrong. I didn't reverse the track bars yet, but you can drive it at least. Just reverse them yourself.
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Corrrect tire pressures.
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Out Lap.
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Different driving here, enter low and move slowly up the banking. Make sure you are low before exit or you could bounce and lose control.

seb02
19-10-2017, 06:59
OK thanks. I will try and i will tell you my best time.

blinkngone
19-10-2017, 09:12
OK thanks. I will try and i will tell you my best time.
Hi Seb, I reversed the trackbars.
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blinkngone
19-10-2017, 13:51
Hi seb go ahead and move the right rear camber to 0.0.
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seb02
19-10-2017, 19:51
Hi . I hope you are fine. Thanks again for your help. I tested your setup and it is not good with a controller. The car is undriveable: in a straight line, it is not at all stable. I looked for it, I adjusted the car, it is more stable but it does not turn enough: when I enter the turn, it goes into the barrier even by releasing the acceleration.

blinkngone
19-10-2017, 20:21
Hi . I hope you are fine. Thanks again for your help. I tested your setup and it is not good with a controller. The car is undriveable: in a straight line, it is not at all stable. I looked for it, I adjusted the car, it is more stable but it does not turn enough: when I enter the turn, it goes into the barrier even by releasing the acceleration.

Ok, even when you are entering on the yellow line like in the picture sorry. Ok , I can try changing the set up some more, what I will do is remove some of the left right imbalance and see if that makes it easier for you. Any idea what time I need to get?

blinkngone
19-10-2017, 20:44
Hi seb, I tried to smooth it out for you, notice the right camber, the car is built for Daytona. The camber is 0.0 because that is all the adjustment available. There is a huge bump going into turn 1 you have to get through this, try lower entry. Right tire slightly inside the yellow.
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blinkngone
20-10-2017, 00:49
hi seb, started setting it up more like a road car, it isn't that much faster but I think more stable. Only Fusion run, it's in with a bunch of 935s.
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seb02
20-10-2017, 07:11
hi seb, started setting it up more like a road car, it isn't that much faster but I think more stable. Only Fusion run, it's in with a bunch of 935s.
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Hello B. It's not a bad idea, I did not think about it. Even when adjusting the car, the car is still very unstable. I prefer a car more stable and less fast, I do not seek the lap times, I just want to be able to ride properly (0'48''000 would suit me). I will try that. Thanks

seb02
21-10-2017, 12:32
Hi B. I tested setups on the circuit Monza Oval but players tamper with their setup in the time trial. Either I have a car almost stable (the Ford Fusion on Monza Oval is very very very difficult) but not fast, either I have a fast car but very very very unstable. I drop, I hope the developers will improve the stability of the Ford Fusion or decrease the level of the AI ​​by 5 seconds (Note that I have no problem on this circuit with other cars like the indycar, or GTO ...)

blinkngone
21-10-2017, 14:24
Sorry seb, the developers should know by now the Fusion is messed up here the defaults are wrong.