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RedSquareImages
21-10-2017, 21:52
I am a PC Gaming Newbie.

I have built a gaming rig.

I want to race. Not Tune.

Can anyone help me with set ups for GT3 cars? I like to drive the ring (virtually and in reality)

Any direction would be gratefully appreciated.

Roger Prynne
21-10-2017, 21:54
Moved to correct forum.

RedSquareImages
21-10-2017, 22:21
Sorry - And Thanks!

Roger Prynne
21-10-2017, 22:30
No need to be sorry.

Blaine Jr
22-10-2017, 13:18
Honestly since you're a newbie you don't need to mess with setups, the defaults are fine for most cars. Setup tuning is to get that last 3% or so of performance out of the car, it's to get the last 2-3 seconds off your lap times. So if you can't stay within 2-3 seconds of the leaders, or you're more then 2-4 seconds off the top guys in Time Trial it's not the setup that's the problem. You simply need to practice and improve your driving techniques.

I see this so much where people new to racing, and I see it in all sims, want to go straight to a setup thinking it will make them faster, and it won't. You won't be any faster because you need to work on your basic driving techniques such as weight transfer, throttle and braking control, proper steering input, driving line, etc... etc... Actually many times a tuned setup can hurt you more as a newer, slower driver, as the fast guys will have the car tuned quit loose and very responsive - putting the car on a knife edge. This is done of course to extract as much speed and performance out of the car as possible, and an experienced driver can do that. However a slower, newer, less experienced driver won't be able to keep the thing on the track and will spin in a slow corner, a fast one, and anything in between. Then they think it's a bad setup and go looking for another one - and the same thing happens, over and over.

So instead of chasing that perfect setup, that you will never find by the way, just go learn to race proper first. And once your within 3 seconds of the top guys, then start tuning the car to your liking. Also, you should learn to tune yourself to fit your driving style. What works for me might be horrible for you, and vice versa.

blinkngone
22-10-2017, 13:41
I am a PC Gaming Newbie.

I have built a gaming rig.

I want to race. Not Tune.

Can anyone help me with set ups for GT3 cars? I like to drive the ring (virtually and in reality)

Any direction would be gratefully appreciated.

Since you are on PC you can try all the setups available for the car and track you want using the shared setups in Time Trial. However you will most likely need to adjust brake balance and pressure just as you would using default set ups. In the long term you will always be faster with a set up that is adjusted to your abilities and driving style.

cpcdem
22-10-2017, 15:35
Also you can't just ask for "setups for GT3 cars", every car is very different! Pick a car first, try it, learn how to be fast with it, then ask for suggestions for tuning, including information about for which track and what issue, if any, you have with the car.

blinkngone
22-10-2017, 16:48
Sorry - And Thanks!

You can come learn with us at Silverstone National, newbies welcome.

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?55796-Silverstone-National-GT3-BOP-Testing

RedSquareImages
23-10-2017, 22:35
Honestly since you're a newbie you don't need to mess with setups, the defaults are fine for most cars. Setup tuning is to get that last 3% or so of performance out of the car, it's to get the last 2-3 seconds off your lap times. So if you can't stay within 2-3 seconds of the leaders, or you're more then 2-4 seconds off the top guys in Time Trial it's not the setup that's the problem. You simply need to practice and improve your driving techniques.

I see this so much where people new to racing, and I see it in all sims, want to go straight to a setup thinking it will make them faster, and it won't. You won't be any faster because you need to work on your basic driving techniques such as weight transfer, throttle and braking control, proper steering input, driving line, etc... etc... Actually many times a tuned setup can hurt you more as a newer, slower driver, as the fast guys will have the car tuned quit loose and very responsive - putting the car on a knife edge. This is done of course to extract as much speed and performance out of the car as possible, and an experienced driver can do that. However a slower, newer, less experienced driver won't be able to keep the thing on the track and will spin in a slow corner, a fast one, and anything in between. Then they think it's a bad setup and go looking for another one - and the same thing happens, over and over.

So instead of chasing that perfect setup, that you will never find by the way, just go learn to race proper first. And once your within 3 seconds of the top guys, then start tuning the car to your liking. Also, you should learn to tune yourself to fit your driving style. What works for me might be horrible for you, and vice versa.
OK - So I like a challange. And I CAN drive (to an extent) but I'm a minute off the front of the pack. AI set to 80% skill for the reality aspect. How can the default setup be 1 whole minute out on a track I know very very very well?

RedSquareImages
23-10-2017, 22:43
Since you are on PC you can try all the setups available for the car and track you want using the shared setups in Time Trial. However you will most likely need to adjust brake balance and pressure just as you would using default set ups. In the long term you will always be faster with a set up that is adjusted to your abilities and driving style.

I get that I'm not going to find the perfect setup for me via someone elses setup. I just want to see what other people are changing and how the car is affected to see if it improves me. Don't get me wrong. Im not looking for someone to play the game for me. But a decent set up for ANY GT3 car (when I have no preference what I drive for now) would be a good starting point.

It's like my real tack car. I dont adjust the setup myself. I go to an alignment specialist or a team and ask them what would be a good base setup for me to begin with. As the car was built as a track car from factory it has inherent understeer (as most production cars tend to come with by default) and I wanted a setup that neutralised that and gave me a setting to improve upon.
Then once I knew what I wanted I spoke to teams running the cars in competition to understand what changes they made. I get the principle behind the game. Don't get me wrong. I'd just like something to start from. Being 1 whole minute behind the pack is making me question spending the money I did on building a dedicated rig just to drive.
I now its all a learning curve but hey - what harm would one of you posting your setup for your favourite GT3 on here cause?

RedSquareImages
23-10-2017, 23:05
OK just loaded the 488 GT3 in time trial. On the ring. No ghosts available? Settings are there for people but when I click on them they just load that persons profile? Confused.com

I like the ferrari however ;)

cpcdem
24-10-2017, 01:16
OK just loaded the 488 GT3 in time trial. On the ring. No ghosts available? Settings are there for people but when I click on them they just load that persons profile? Confused.com

I like the ferrari however ;)

You need to push one of the "ADD GHOST" buttons in the bottom left, then select the car/driver you want and then click again "Add ghost". It is indeed a little tricky at first.
Btw, I wouldn't worry about custom setups yet, the default ones are pretty good out of the box. After you're already very fast in a track, the custom setup can give you the extra second or so, but not much more than that.

Blaine Jr
25-10-2017, 11:02
OK - So I like a challange. And I CAN drive (to an extent) but I'm a minute off the front of the pack. AI set to 80% skill for the reality aspect. How can the default setup be 1 whole minute out on a track I know very very very well?

I'm going to be blunt here, and it will sound harsh, but it's gonna be true. If you're a full minute off the leaders at the Ring you're not as good as you think you are. Simple as that. Trust me when I say it's not the setup but instead your driving that's the problem here. If you're not exaggerating and are really running 7:35 - 7:45 around the Ring in a GT3 car you're doing some things terribly wrong. There are plenty of road cars, Porsche 911 GT3 RS, AMG GTR, Vette, Camaro ZL1, and so on that do low 7:00's around the Ring.

I hold the current McLaren 650s GT3 WR around the Nordschleife if you really want a setup, go grab it. However you'd be better off posting a video of your lap around the Ring for people to analyze. I'll gladly critique the entire lap for you.


But a decent set up for ANY GT3 car (when I have no preference what I drive for now) would be a good starting point.

No, a good starting point is working on proper driving techniques and car control. A setup is the last thing you do, not the first.

Eric Rowland
25-10-2017, 15:37
Imho setup tuning is for getting that feel that gives you the confidence to be able to push without the car doing something that surprises you. You can drive around some slight oversteer or understeer, but you need a setup that inspires confidence.

Nyreen
25-10-2017, 19:10
Honestly, you can't drive an already tuned car. It does not behave as you'll like because it's meant for pure performance based on the expectation of the driver after hours of practice. If you want a "load and play" tuning, I recommend messing around with the loose setting, I was impressed by the lap times some guys were putting with very few adjustments (below 1:43 on the Glen, in race).

Today I've tried the first guy setup on the 488 GT3 around the Red Bull Ring because I was very bad with this track and decided to improve. In few hours of practice, I got the pace I wanted (below 1:30, I did a 1:29.438 so I'm pretty happy right now). But not from the first guy setup. I'll not say it was undriveable, but it has a very funky handling. I mean, I just don't like it. I'm faster with a simple loose tuning. It's more predictable, I'm more consistent, I hit the apex more often. I recommend starting from here. I made very few tweaks to be a little quicker, but it has everything to do with the track itself.

The race engineer is only able to make slight changes over all the car, I don't think anybody on this Car Setup thread is using it. You can try asking your adjustment specialist about your issues with your GT3 car, if you look serious enough, he may give you some neat advices.

Roger Prynne
25-10-2017, 21:51
Honestly, you can't drive an already tuned car. It does not behave as you'll like because it's meant for pure performance based on the expectation of the driver after hours of practice. If you want a "load and play" tuning, I recommend messing around with the loose setting, I was impressed by the lap times some guys were putting with very few adjustments (below 1:43 on the Glen, in race).

Today I've tried the first guy setup on the 488 GT3 around the Red Bull Ring because I was very bad with this track and decided to improve. In few hours of practice, I got the pace I wanted (below 1:30, I did a 1:29.438 so I'm pretty happy right now). But not from the first guy setup. I'll not say it was undriveable, but it has a very funky handling. I mean, I just don't like it. I'm faster with a simple loose tuning. It's more predictable, I'm more consistent, I hit the apex more often. I recommend starting from here. I made very few tweaks to be a little quicker, but it has everything to do with the track itself.

The race engineer is only able to make slight changes over all the car, I don't think anybody on this Car Setup thread is using it. You can try asking your adjustment specialist about your issues with your GT3 car, if you look serious enough, he may give you some neat advices.

Yea it's more for the beginners and people that don't know or want to know anything about setups really.

AutomanUK
26-10-2017, 07:53
OK - So I like a challange. And I CAN drive (to an extent) but I'm a minute off the front of the pack. AI set to 80% skill for the reality aspect. How can the default setup be 1 whole minute out on a track I know very very very well?

Hmmm I'm also new but think you just need more time to get to know your chosen car. I've settled on the F488 GT3 and can stay within 10 secs of the AI set at 100% and this is with the default setup.