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Synystr
22-10-2017, 09:29
My league has always created skin packs for each season to give a personal touch and to allow for easy recognition. Will that be a possibility in PCARS2? Or... no? :(

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Henrique Clausing
24-10-2017, 15:28
Waiting for some (good) News here lol.

Skin pack will be a nice feature. IF they Support driver's gloves, suit and helmet's (maybe the crew suit too?) will be perfect.

I'm sure if not the priority by the moment for the devs, but there're any taxes on dreaming. :)

Synystr
25-10-2017, 13:12
Waiting for some (good) News here lol.

Skin pack will be a nice feature. IF they Support driver's gloves, suit and helmet's (maybe the crew suit too?) will be perfect.

I'm sure if not the priority by the moment for the devs, but there're any taxes on dreaming. :)

It WAS a nice thing. The driver's suit and gloves is maybe a bit over the top... but it would be nice to have a signature helmet we can design for ourselves.

Right now though? I just want the mods.txt file back in.

Gambit74
28-10-2017, 19:44
I don't understand why PCars2 was launched without mods.txt?
It was put into the first game and it made the car creation so much better. Also the first game had the fresnal and spec layers that made recreating authentic colours possible.

Logically when you make a sequel, don't you carry the good stuff across?
I really like the new game and some of the changes, I just don't understand why you'd spend the time to program the tech for the first game and then leave it out in the second.

Synystr
30-10-2017, 00:33
Please... fres and spec layers....

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/848214402918831858/3E71EFB403EA2195B4B3A626FAF38EE26A053CFA/

mods.txt...........

please....

Synystr
20-11-2017, 03:34
Hi. Just bumping this as a reminder.

Mods.txt for custom skin packs please! For the love of all that is holy and pure in this world... PLEASE :O

https://media1.tenor.com/images/929ef78989437c2df790c0a16e966c18/tenor.gif

McKiernan
01-12-2017, 20:44
Oh I seem to have bumped into this thread

Bloodiwolfi
01-12-2017, 22:29
Oh I seem to have bumped into this thread

[DEUTSCH]
Und wie du siehst, passiert nichts -.-
Für mich persönlich ist das Spiel jetzt schon tot.
Es gibt halt nichts besseres als rFactor 2, Assetto Corsa und iRacing!

[GOOGLE TRANSLATOR]
And as you can see, nothing happens -.-
For me personally, the game is already dead.
There is nothing better than rFactor 2, Assetto Corsa and iRacing!

McKiernan
02-12-2017, 12:55
[DEUTSCH]
Und wie du siehst, passiert nichts -.-
Für mich persönlich ist das Spiel jetzt schon tot.
Es gibt halt nichts besseres als rFactor 2, Assetto Corsa und iRacing!

[GOOGLE TRANSLATOR]
And as you can see, nothing happens -.-
For me personally, the game is already dead.
There is nothing better than rFactor 2, Assetto Corsa and iRacing!

To each their own I guess. Those sims you mentioned are some pretty fine games, but if Project CARS2 is dead to you because they haven't added the mods.txt functionality yet, you may be being a bit hasty as if I remember correctly this functionality wasn't added to Project CARS until after quite a few patches. I'm optimistic it will be added at some point though. Anyhow enjoy your racing.

Synystr
03-12-2017, 03:47
Guys guys guys.

Please don't ruin this thread by calling the game dead and whatever. So far, I've tried to keep this polite... hoping that someone will hear our small, quiet minority who crank out massive lobby wide custom paints.

LamboMantisMan23
03-12-2017, 19:47
Guys guys guys.

Please don't ruin this thread by calling the game dead and whatever. So far, I've tried to keep this polite... hoping that someone will hear our small, quiet minority who crank out massive lobby wide custom paints.

Mods.txt wasn't just used for that. Don't worry, there's lots of people wanting it back. SMS are just doing their classic silence. I'm sure we will see something SMSoon™

Bolt10
04-12-2017, 19:38
P.Cars 1 :
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P.Cars 2 :
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Oh my god, my skin looks so sad in P.Cars 2 :eek::rolleyes:

codayop
08-12-2017, 21:21
Wow. This is going to be awesome if they ever get it sorted. I've been designing liveries (well, stealing others and amending) but ready to move up to three next level now. Having fres and spec layers would be a great way to move up. Any news on this yet moderators??

VDoom
09-12-2017, 18:54
I like PC2, but Gran Turismo's Livery system would be the best way to go, IMO.

dodge33cymru
12-12-2017, 17:27
Please add my voice to those asking for this. I got very little use out of PC1 until this turned up (and only a bit afterwards) but really enjoying this game and would love to run some proper custom grids with the great liveries being created.

Being able to edit AI driver abilities too please.

Synystr
26-12-2017, 02:06
/bump because I can haz?

McKiernan
07-01-2018, 23:31
Bump

Hamdridge
08-01-2018, 13:34
Bump
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Synystr
10-01-2018, 16:45
Thank you. I forgot to re-bump.

Stocky
12-01-2018, 17:56
I'll add in my bump as well.

K34sc
12-01-2018, 18:37
Bump x2... we need fresnel and specular.

dodge33cymru
20-01-2018, 00:24
Bump
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Hang on, how'd you do that? Or is it a screen from PC1?

Hamdridge
20-01-2018, 20:11
That one is from PCars 1, using the Livery Tool and the mods.txt files

scottmik
25-01-2018, 00:02
uh bump

need to get painting cars for more then just myself again. league needs this.

Stocky
26-01-2018, 15:21
Yes please add this back into the next patch.

It was League Liveries for PCars 1, that gave me new excitement every season, and kept me going longer than I might have.

Need that boost again, for the League, and PCars 2 in general.

g33k hack3rs
26-01-2018, 17:14
Don't understand why we can't at least have the possibility to pick any existing livery and just change the number so it could be custom for each driver in a league. Additionally adding driver name to be consistent with steam profile will be a nice touch.

Public lobbies don't need this but league racing and even esport events where a small group compete will definitely benefit from these features.

buddhathedj
26-01-2018, 20:21
As someone who designs liveries and also streams league races, I would absolutely love having the functionality back for having multiple custom liveries in online lobbies. My viewers on twitch would also enjoy being able to pick out who is who as the season progresses, as I'm sure would be beneficial for all of the other leagues and streams who broadcast the races.

:D I miss designing extra liveries for my league!

Synystr
26-01-2018, 21:26
/bump


https://youtu.be/ad4CyhHBI8A?t=26m9s (long live Sriracha Audi Motorsports) https://www.instagram.com/p/BeZDvCzBEp6/?taken-by=huyfongfoods




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7-qRvT72rc

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STATIC13
27-01-2018, 14:54
+1 many skinners missing this feature. I know it will happen at some point, but I'm praying for next patch :)

SpikyCactus
27-01-2018, 15:15
As a rookie skinner, I'd LOVE for this feature to come back.

Traction
28-01-2018, 23:59
Not even an answer from the devs ?

Synystr
29-01-2018, 02:26
Not even an answer from the devs ?

Nope but we must keep this bumpin

Hamdridge
29-01-2018, 08:34
Bump
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Tar Heel
01-02-2018, 03:28
I would love to have the mods.txt back so I can collect some IMSA liveries and run full 32 car grids with Prototype, GTLM, and GTD please. Also being able to bolster the car grid for other series like Blancpain, Zurich, PWC, BTCC, WEC, etc would be amazing.

Traction
01-02-2018, 23:25
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Traction
01-02-2018, 23:27
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Hamdridge
02-02-2018, 10:10
Another slight bump.
Decided to reinstall PCars 1 last night, just for making some liveries up again.
Custom Tyres, Custom lights, Wheel, SPEC/FRES files...
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Keeping my fingers crossed...

FPSNige
02-02-2018, 10:11
I'd like to see this happen aswell. As a group we have some talented livery makers and it's an extra special feeling racing in a league event with your custom team livery. Sense of pride etc.

As games like this are usually kept alive by small SIM racing groups that play day in and day out I'm really not sure why the Devs aren't picking up on things like this.

I'm sure they are busy working on things, and there is still alot of issues that need fixing. But it would be nice to see this added to some kind of "to do" list so we can sleep easier.

McKiernan
06-02-2018, 20:07
Bump

Blueflight
07-02-2018, 07:14
Not even an answer from the devs: just wow.

Tulipe45
07-02-2018, 09:38
Bump

Mahjik
07-02-2018, 14:26
Not even an answer from the devs: just wow.

They are busy with more important things... There will likely not be much information in this space until they get the more pressing issues sorted (AI, setups, etc).

Stocky
07-02-2018, 14:47
On behalf of all the online leagues out there, that's a real disappointment.

ant1897
07-02-2018, 17:30
On behalf of all the online leagues out there, that's a real disappointment.

I second this. We would love to have a field full of custom liveries for our series.

sas5320
08-02-2018, 01:00
I would suggest SMS should soon in 2018 somehow patch the game to make it mod-friendly. I realize it could cut into their DLC sales (why buy DLC when mod community will provide a suitable car model?) but this could push sales of the base game up as we see with AC and expand the pc2 community, SMS would recover some of the lost DLC revenue with increased base game sales.

Basically whatever it takes to build this community just do it, take a longer term vision like Rainbow 6 Seige (which BTW Ubisoft is giving a free trial (https://rainbow6.ubisoft.com/siege/en-us/news/152-318743-16/free-play-weekend-starts-february-15) on all platforms 15th Feb). Another thing would be to put some coder/UI time into finally delivering Custom Offline Championships. Why wait for pc3/2020 when most of the pieces are there already?

satco1066
08-02-2018, 14:54
i don't think mod-friendly design would make a breakthrough in sales. 9 of 10 buyers are consoleros.
Most people on PC also don't buy it only, caus it's mod able.
I bought AC, PC1&2 , RRE and others, cause i wanted a good racing game, not a good modding game.
Mods are a nice feature, i really hope we'll get the old mod system for liveries back, but it never was a selection criterion.

sas5320
08-02-2018, 16:34
i think mods is a big factor why AC is still alive and the daily/nightly community is 2x more than pc2. SMS can poach this group away easily I think.

AbeWoz
08-02-2018, 16:47
IMO mods are one of the only things that keeps AC alive. Their stock/base content is very very thin in comparison. But the ability for server admins to change/enforce BoP separate from the car settings is also a big factor why leagues still run it. As well as the ability to have more than 1 custom livery per car.

Synystr
08-02-2018, 23:11
Eh... I just want mods.txt back

GosuNoob
09-02-2018, 08:41
I agree with you I just don't understand why it wouldn't be in the release of the new game when it was in PC1.

satco1066
09-02-2018, 15:14
maybe licensing.
In PC1 they opened it after about 1 year.

LamboMantisMan23
09-02-2018, 23:23
I would suggest SMS should soon in 2018 somehow patch the game to make it mod-friendly. I realize it could cut into their DLC sales (why buy DLC when mod community will provide a suitable car model?) but this could push sales of the base game up as we see with AC and expand the pc2 community, SMS would recover some of the lost DLC revenue with increased base game sales.

Basically whatever it takes to build this community just do it, take a longer term vision like Rainbow 6 Seige (which BTW Ubisoft is giving a free trial (https://rainbow6.ubisoft.com/siege/en-us/news/152-318743-16/free-play-weekend-starts-february-15) on all platforms 15th Feb). Another thing would be to put some coder/UI time into finally delivering Custom Offline Championships. Why wait for pc3/2020 when most of the pieces are there already?

Modding wouldn't hurt DLC sales at all. Us modders deliberately try to create cars that won't come in DLC, and even if they did, people will still pay for the official version over a mod. This was proven in pC1.

I made a whole new thread about my progress with modding and the scratch models we were creating for the game. SMS hid it and told me to wait. Its been a heck of a while since and I haven't received one word from them LMAO. We won't get an answer until more important things are addressed as said earlier.

Dbr9lemans
10-02-2018, 04:03
I'm purely speculating, but in the first DLC (and indeed the initial release) SMS included several branded skins, possibly the product of advertising / cross-branding. If these are by formal arrangement (i.e. contract) then it is possible, that the agreement includes some type of exclusivity clause or some arrangement whereby SMS can guarantee the advertisers that their skins will populate AI races. Allowing users to add additional AI skins could undermine this. If this is true, then those branding agreements might need to lapse before mods.txt is activated.

Equally so, mods.txt was only activated for PC1 when the final patch was released. It's possible SMS will do the same here.

Stocky
10-02-2018, 15:14
That all does make sense.

I'm pretty sure we got mods.txt before the 1 year mark tho. PCars 1 came out in May 2015, and I think our League had skins the very beginning of 2016.

Maybe it's a 6 month license agreement, not a full year?? That would mean we're only a month or 2 away?!?!

satco1066
11-02-2018, 22:54
That all does make sense.

I'm pretty sure we got mods.txt before the 1 year mark tho. PCars 1 came out in May 2015, and I think our League had skins the very beginning of 2016.

Maybe it's a 6 month license agreement, not a full year?? That would mean we're only a month or 2 away?!?!

you're partly right. The custom livery tool by crowtrobot was here very early. But that was a real mod with extraxcted boot files etc.
I think in March 2016 came the open mod with mods.txt file.
Then Crowtrobot changed his Custom livery tool to that new situation.
No hack needed anymore. Just .ref-files and folders with liveries and that mods.txt

Dbr9lemans
12-02-2018, 08:16
you're partly right. The custom livery tool by crowtrobot was here very early. But that was a real mod with extraxcted boot files etc.
I think in March 2016 came the open mod with mods.txt file.
Then Crowtrobot changed his Custom livery tool to that new situation.
No hack needed anymore. Just .ref-files and folders with liveries and that mods.txt

I’ve always wondered whether CrowRobot had some “help” from SMS. I say this because after PC1 was released the community was clambering for better custom livery support. Ian Bell wrote a post in response telling his guys to “make it happen”. It never did in the official game but soon CrowRobot’s excellent tool appeared.

Stocky
27-02-2018, 19:33
Bump

ant1897
28-02-2018, 21:27
I have a dream, that one day, we shall be able to race, with a field full of custom liveries.

Synystr
01-03-2018, 06:14
Or that we will get a yes or no from the devs at some point XD

ant1897
01-03-2018, 18:21
Or that we will get a yes or no from the devs at some point XD

lol... better to keep dreaming.

Tar Heel
06-03-2018, 06:59
Since the IMSA liveries for the RSR were not included mods.txt really needs to become a thing now :/

Sono
24-03-2018, 20:02
Agreed, any chance at all of seeing it? Or at least a way of adding more than just one singular livery to a car

Blueflight
10-04-2018, 14:53
We are simply not worth getting an official answer to this.

Smoked_Cheddar
10-04-2018, 16:51
We are simply not worth getting an official answer to this.

Probably because we can't at this time?

They may not be allowed to say.

We still have a at least two DLC to go and probably a couple more patches.

I'd like to have more stuff, but there's so many places in this game I haven't played yet, so I'll wait for the mods.txt in the meantime.

Stocky
23-04-2018, 15:02
Comon already, we really need this.

Liveries would help revitalize the excitement again, especially in Leagues, when it starts to get stale.

Johnny Tavares
27-04-2018, 13:26
I wait for this.

VelvetTorpedo
27-04-2018, 13:38
theres discussion here: https://www.racedepartment.com/threads/pcars-2-modding-multiple-custom-liveries-discussions.145914/

Johnny Tavares
27-04-2018, 15:36
theres discussion here: https://www.racedepartment.com/threads/pcars-2-modding-multiple-custom-liveries-discussions.145914/

Oh I think they got something, but it seems to be very complicated still.

Reiche
27-04-2018, 17:44
Oh I think they got something, but it seems to be very complicated still.

Correct, mods.txt would simplify the whole thing a lot.

(For a broader audience that is)

VelvetTorpedo
27-04-2018, 18:14
yeah I'm hoping they release a tool that makes the whole thing a lot simpler, but it seems promising so far

Reiche
28-04-2018, 19:40
Well, we're currently lacking someone who knows how to code in Python and is willing to adapt existing code of crowtrobot's tool v0.97 (that was the last version without mods.txt) for PC2.

I was talking with one guy who knows Python, but he isn't familiar with how the tool worked and he preferred trying a different style, but this is not worth the hassle IMO because the adaptations to PC1 v0.97 should be rather small - if you know where to do those.

(Those changes would also be necessary if mods.txt was already there for PC2, so mods.txt would not automatically make v0.98 work for PC2 - no big difference in "porting" v0.97 without mods.txt to PC2 or porting v0.98 with mods.txt to PC2)

If you know someone who fits into this profile, please tell him to get in touch with me =)

(Unfortunately crowtrobot himself isn't available for that task for now for real life reasons)

Synystr
01-06-2018, 00:17
/bump

stereoptr
13-06-2018, 12:12
https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xZMZox78ZbWbFC/giphy.gif

Synystr
25-06-2018, 23:24
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7sp8qizgo1r91bgy.gif

I'm not even a cat person.

Johnny Tavares
26-06-2018, 15:53
With each new day a new hope.:)

at the moment is what I most desire in this game.

Synystr
30-06-2018, 15:16
With each new day a new hope.:)

at the moment is what I most desire in this game.

You and me both. I found that if members of a league run custom skins that they either requested or painted themselves, they stick around for the entirety of the season if they aren't having success because of the pride of running their own car.

Johnny Tavares
02-07-2018, 18:08
You and me both. I found that if members of a league run custom skins that they either requested or painted themselves, they stick around for the entirety of the season if they aren't having success because of the pride of running their own car.

This is true, the pilot develops affection for the car because of the paint.

Synystr
08-07-2018, 21:15
No PCARS, but AMS allows you to paint helmets, gloves and suits along with the car.

PLEASE?!?!?! :D

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FPSNige
15-07-2018, 09:36
Has their been any progress on this. Theres a tool out there that works, we just need SMS to greenlight this with mods.txt so we can all happily run custom liveries without fear of a VAC ban!

It's crazy that SMS havent implimented this already as communites love to run their own colours. We at ART Sim Racing are currently involved in a crossover event with 3 other clubs! To have the ability to run team colours would be astonishing! C'mon SMS give us some safety margins on running a custom livery tool!

Hamdridge
15-07-2018, 12:48
As Nige says, running a crossover league with 4 other groups, being able to run team colours would help with streaming and incident reports if they arise, plus a little bit of team pride keeps people racing.
ARTs like are made up, just awaiting the green light, or even a "yes, there is no/little VAC risks" using the current methods.
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Plus, we all know much much Charger wants to run his Minecraft Livery.

JAPS
15-07-2018, 16:31
would ace to have it back as nige said it would be nice for 4 way crossover league to run our own team or personal livery's257705257706257707257708

Azure Flare
16-07-2018, 12:54
Sadly this game is meant for modding. You'll have to look elsewhere for mod support.

Johnny Tavares
07-08-2018, 18:45
It's a shame we missed a sponsorship from a small garage company for reasons we did not have as show them in leagues.

Reiche
07-08-2018, 20:01
New patch soon, so new hope

(as there still hasn't been a "will not happen" statement)

Stocky
23-08-2018, 13:08
It's now been 11 months to the date, that Project Cars 2 was released.

Comon, give us mod.txt already, so we can revitalize our leagues.

Adding custom liveries makes the game more immersive, adds new excitement, and will regenerate interest again.

I make fun of the new F1 game saying how can a racing game not include VR. But on the other hand, I feel the same way about PCars2, saying how can a racing game not include custom liveries.

It's been about a year, and we're still here and loyal to PCars2. Reward us with mod.txt please!

Synystr
28-08-2018, 07:18
plz

sas5320
28-08-2018, 12:36
Let's see after this next (and my guess, final) DLC

Hamdridge
28-08-2018, 13:24
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With Custom Grid tool sadly, but hopefully in Private League lobbies soon...

satco1066
10-09-2018, 11:15
any news with patch 7 ?

Stocky
10-09-2018, 18:17
I did a search after the 7.0 patch. Still no mods.text file.

AbeWoz
10-09-2018, 19:53
if we get it, it will be after all official DLC is released...just like it was with PC1

satco1066
10-09-2018, 21:48
all DLCs are released ( inside patch 7 ), but not unlocked.
After unlock tomorrow, i think there will be no patch 7.1 also.

1185323118
12-09-2018, 01:55
bump
looking forward to it.

Synystr
18-09-2018, 11:33
lesssss gooooooooo

Stocky
18-09-2018, 13:08
Could we at least get an answer to this, please?

It's been a year (in 4 days), with zero response.

Starting to think, it may be time for our league to look at other sims, that do include liveries.

Synystr
20-09-2018, 14:00
I second this

Stocky
21-09-2018, 13:17
It was a huge disappointment when Project Cars 2 came out without mods.txt, and the leagues lost the ability to do liveries. That was a huge blow to our league.

We all reluctantly excepted this, since we wanted the new version of the game. Out with the old, in with the new.

But we all had one glimmer of hope, that after 1 year we would get the liveries back. We could see the light at the end of the tunnel, although it was a long tunnel.

Well here we are 1 year later, at the end of that tunnel, hoping that our wait was worth it.

So, we're all ready for the verdict.

Will we be getting mods.txt, or was our long wait just a waste of time?

Was the light at the end of the tunnel false hope?

Was our loyalty worth it, or should we have left for another sim long ago?

It would be a good time for an answer, since no answer is basically a flat out "no".

If that's the case, there will be quite a few bitter players, not to mention some bitter leagues. I hope that's not what you want from the community.

We're at judgement day. This is it. Time to let us know, SMS.

Stocky
21-09-2018, 13:24
You do realize SMS, that most of those who posted in this thread, are in leagues?

Each post isn't just one voice, but the voices of many.

AbeWoz
21-09-2018, 13:49
GIMME GIMME!

sad that i can only have 1 custom livery per car, especially given all the hours i put into the skins that I make to be as accurate as possible. I want to fill my grid with my beauties.

VelvetTorpedo
21-09-2018, 13:57
pretty please?

GosuNoob
21-09-2018, 14:15
With each individual post here representing hundreds of drivers, there can only be two conclusions.

Either SMS is not getting the message, which is hard to believe, or they simply do not care.

The game still has a large quantity of flaws or lack of functionality, from the "standing water" textured curbing, to the complete lack of P2P driver changes.

All of those being a significantly more difficult code change than allowing custom skins. Which would have gone a long way toward continued support for the game.

As is, it appears there is a closed loop with no proper input for current, or future functionality of the game. Functionality that is currently present in simulation games that are older than Project Cars 1.
The lions share of supporters of simulation racing games are dedicated leagues and their drivers. The largest streamers offering free advertising for your product, are league racers. If you are simply unwilling to listen to the needs and desires of that community then we have nothing further to talk about, you have clearly selected a new age business model where the goal is not to target your most avid users.

I wish you success with that, and if there is a Project Cars 3, I hope your sales expectations are measured with respect to that of Project Cars 2, rather than Project Cars 1.
New releases should capture more market share, not lose it, but again that is based on the business model you have selected. Simulation racing games are based on the hundreds of racing communities that support them, energize their members, and stay loyal to the product.

One year after the launch of this game, those same communities are in the planning stages of re-aligning around a different product, and what that transition would mean for the majority of their members.

Synystr
21-09-2018, 14:36
I don't get you people. What's the point of running custom liveries if you can only do one? And everyone else sees a white car LOL

What a joke.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/99475417282769933/E93D7749A9856B457BD4DB194231DDBBEE32E0CC/
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/99475435525279219/AE8D3765348B23CFDCF2AE3590C2B30E96A58A28/
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/848214402918831858/3E71EFB403EA2195B4B3A626FAF38EE26A053CFA/
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/848213909639459452/4C3BFE57D311D63646ED91898F57476822BD2CC5/
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/848214402919068739/2A85961697A0323FED4793718F6E3382246E7C75/
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/85970162648332725/ECF74FC02AECA8605166112ACA80FEA1C6FEAF40/
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/923672119274055248/03EB3D54B892EE5EC72647EA187B4802D87BCCE3/
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Stocky
21-09-2018, 14:55
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VelvetTorpedo
21-09-2018, 14:58
ugh i want it so bad
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Johnny Tavares
21-09-2018, 18:41
:blue:The lack of an answer is disrespectful. I believe that many have acquired thinking that personalization is possible and even after a year we do not have the right to know?

Synystr
21-09-2018, 23:19
I just want a yes or a no lol

eracerhead
22-09-2018, 03:38
Just my opinion, but if the devs were able to say anything regarding this they would've done it long before now. The value of allowing it is clear, and there has to be a reason why your requests have gone unanswered. My guess is that car manufacturers, as part of their license agreements, prohibit SMS from opening up the liveries in this manner.

Manufacturers these days have complicated sublicensing agreements (i.e.: tires, motor oil, shock absorbers etc.) and these multi-million-dollar agreements could be jeapordized if their vehicles were portrayed with competing brands advertised on their cars. And there has been at least one well-known case where a specific manufacturer wouldn't allow custom liveries solely because another game allowed the use of offensive user-created liveries.

Assuming the above are true, SMS' desires to assist their end-user requests would absolutely not be a factor; failing to abide by the manufacturer's wishes would jeapordize their inclusion in any future games, and may lead to severe financial penalties which could bankrupt SMS. And we'll likely never know whether this is true or not, as non-disclosure agreements likely prohibit the devs from even admitting that in public under severe penalty.

If it's imperative that you have custom liveries in-game, then you'll have to find a way to do it without official support.

Synystr
22-09-2018, 12:28
Just my opinion, but if the devs were able to say anything regarding this they would've done it long before now. The value of allowing it is clear, and there has to be a reason why your requests have gone unanswered. My guess is that car manufacturers, as part of their license agreements, prohibit SMS from opening up the liveries in this manner.

Manufacturers these days have complicated sublicensing agreements (i.e.: tires, motor oil, shock absorbers etc.) and these multi-million-dollar agreements could be jeapordized if their vehicles were portrayed with competing brands advertised on their cars. And there has been at least one well-known case where a specific manufacturer wouldn't allow custom liveries solely because another game allowed the use of offensive user-created liveries.

Assuming the above are true, SMS' desires to assist their end-user requests would absolutely not be a factor; failing to abide by the manufacturer's wishes would jeapordize their inclusion in any future games, and may lead to severe financial penalties which could bankrupt SMS. And we'll likely never know whether this is true or not, as non-disclosure agreements likely prohibit the devs from even admitting that in public under severe penalty.

If it's imperative that you have custom liveries in-game, then you'll have to find a way to do it without official support.

Alright. Well, this is going to factor heavily into our decision to support PCARS 3 or not.

Synystr
22-09-2018, 12:32
I can always paint a Ferrari livery on my Formula Gulf.

Synystr
22-09-2018, 14:03
"Volumetric Expansion" - A Project Cars 2 Livery Haiku By Synysteru

Fruitful History.
The dam shows cracks in its walls.
Winter approaches.

Stocky
22-09-2018, 14:52
Just my opinion, but if the devs were able to say anything regarding this they would've done it long before now. The value of allowing it is clear, and there has to be a reason why your requests have gone unanswered. My guess is that car manufacturers, as part of their license agreements, prohibit SMS from opening up the liveries in this manner.

Manufacturers these days have complicated sublicensing agreements (i.e.: tires, motor oil, shock absorbers etc.) and these multi-million-dollar agreements could be jeapordized if their vehicles were portrayed with competing brands advertised on their cars. And there has been at least one well-known case where a specific manufacturer wouldn't allow custom liveries solely because another game allowed the use of offensive user-created liveries.

Assuming the above are true, SMS' desires to assist their end-user requests would absolutely not be a factor; failing to abide by the manufacturer's wishes would jeapordize their inclusion in any future games, and may lead to severe financial penalties which could bankrupt SMS. And we'll likely never know whether this is true or not, as non-disclosure agreements likely prohibit the devs from even admitting that in public under severe penalty.

If it's imperative that you have custom liveries in-game, then you'll have to find a way to do it without official support.

Yes, that has been the argument that we have all come to assume is true. But on the other hand, license agreements are not permanent and will expire at some point.

We all assumed it was for a year, which is most common. It has been a year now. If it's going to be another year or 6 months, then let us know. I may choose to wait it out.

But as of this moment, without any answer, I'm contemplating giving up on PCars 2, and moving to another venue.

I'm trying to give SMS a chance, to sway me to stay, by at least giving some sort of time frame of when it will happen, if at all.

The lack of any answers by SMS is disgraceful. Have some balls, and tell us we will never get mods.txt, instead of just ignoring us.

Stewy32
22-09-2018, 15:30
Like the last game, we will probably get mods.txt after DLC support, and major patch support, has ended.

Stocky
22-09-2018, 15:38
Like the last game, we will probably get mods.txt after DLC support, and major patch support, has ended.

We're assuming that's today, since we hit the 1 year mark.

That's why there are so many recent posts here.

I don't expect any more DLC's, and I think most major patches, are done.

Stocky
22-09-2018, 15:56
I can't believe the amount of chatter in our Discord channel right now, about whether to give up on PCars 2 or not, and which direction to go.

If our League is debating this so heavily, I assume other leagues may be having the same conversations. We can't be the only ones.

Not good news for SMS.

cpcdem
22-09-2018, 16:06
While I am not denying this is the case in your league, in 5 other leagues that I participated in the last couple months, I've never heard this debate due to liveries once. And if anybody ever mentioned it and I missed it, it certainly didn't become a "we're gonna leave PCARS2 if they don't do this" kind of thing. Please don't get me wrong, not dismissing at all that this a very important thing for you and it is very understandable, but just to say in my experience this is not a major talking point around every league out there.

Personally I'd love it to be a way to have them, although I realize it may be impossible due to various reasons. Yeah, I agree it would had been so nice getting an official response, but unfortunately we are not getting official responses not only for that, but for many other things as well. So don't feel like it only happens to you :)

Stocky
22-09-2018, 16:15
Keep in mind, I didn't say every league, I said we can't be the only league talking about this.

We do crossovers with quite a few leagues out there, and our Discord channel isn't limited to PRD only.

This discussion has been talked about by members from all the leagues we're associated with, over the past year.

I only posted that recent post, since the conversation has ramped up drastically.

cpcdem
22-09-2018, 17:08
OK understood. Btw, I haven't followed the matter closely, but I kinda remember being mentioned that opening up the game for such mods would involve exposing some internals of it, making it possible for people to mess with it and make cheating possible, which would be opening another huge can of worms. If that's the case, I can also understand why it is not happening...Am I making even remotely sense with that, or am I completely off?

Stocky
22-09-2018, 17:17
I really don't know the ins & outs, but we used the workarounds until eventually mods.txt for PCars 1 came out, and we had no problems.

Stewy32
22-09-2018, 17:25
We're assuming that's today, since we hit the 1 year mark.

That's why there are so many recent posts here.

I don't expect any more DLC's, and I think most major patches, are done.

I hope for one or two more patches,if everything goes silent up until Christmas, I think it is safe to say it is moving on.
I really liked the liveries your league came up with though.

Stewy32
22-09-2018, 17:28
The one workaround for people who run say a GT3 League,is you create a livery pack with one livery for each car.This means they can be sort of custom , at the very least, you could put (in your case Stocky) PRD logos onto the car, and let the people driving it vote for the paint scheme they want on it.

So for example, if 3 people used the Acura(unlikely), and 1 wanted it black and 2 wanted it orange with a pink stripe, you would make it orange with a pink stripe, although potentially a slight compromise.

Synystr
22-09-2018, 21:49
The one workaround for people who run say a GT3 League,is you create a livery pack with one livery for each car.This means they can be sort of custom , at the very least, you could put (in your case Stocky) PRD logos onto the car, and let the people driving it vote for the paint scheme they want on it.

So for example, if 3 people used the Acura(unlikely), and 1 wanted it black and 2 wanted it orange with a pink stripe, you would make it orange with a pink stripe, although potentially a slight compromise.


Or we could just race in ACC. Kunos said they are going to offer custom liveries. Or AMS. Or RF2. Or in AC.

Mods.
https://steamdb.info/app/244210/graphs/ AC
https://steamdb.info/app/431600/graphs/ AMS
https://steamdb.info/app/365960/graphs/ rf2
https://steamdb.info/app/107410/graphs/ arma 3
https://steamdb.info/app/72850/graphs/ skyrim

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No mods.
https://steamdb.info/app/234630/graphs/ pcars
https://steamdb.info/app/378860/graphs/ pcars 2
https://steamdb.info/app/393380/graphs/ squad
https://steamdb.info/app/221100/graphs/ dayz

Look at the difference in concurrent players between games that allow mods and don't allow mods. The only thing that's boosting populations in the unmodded games are dlc/patches dropped by the devs. Then the populations slowly drop off. But if you notice when a community is open to modding, the community grows due to the heaps of fresh content and camaraderie.

I'm not asking for work to be done to allow track and car mods. Just mods.txt... you know that thing that was in pcars 1.

There's a direct correlation between grid sizes in league races and racer retainment across the season and whether or not we have league wide custom skin packs. Give me such pride to race in a crappy skin I made LOL

satco1066
22-09-2018, 23:58
Ok. Its right, leagues want custom skins, as it adds immersion.
Unfortunately, mods like mods.txt are'nt now or will not be added in the future.

But if YOU really want it, i don't understand why you don't do it the old way.
Sure its much more work, and its not so easy, but if you really want it, stop whining arround and either start with
the modsystem thats beeing discussed currently at race department ( not 100% but near ) or
create your own bff's with exchanged skinfiles.
Both are not as easy to handle like mods.txt, but there is a way. Defenitely.

Sorry to say. ;)

Stocky
23-09-2018, 13:27
You could have easily made your point without accusing those that posted of being whiners.

Your post would have been meaningful, instead it just turned into an attack.

Sorry to say. ;)

Synystr
23-09-2018, 14:46
Ok. Its right, leagues want custom skins, as it adds immersion.
Unfortunately, mods like mods.txt are'nt now or will not be added in the future.

Sure its much more work, and its not so easy, but if you really want it, stop whining arround

Sorry to say. ;)

The amount of effort people have to go through to effectively crack this game open and IMPROVE IT is absurd. I'm surprised people are doing it; rewarding this community with people like you with an awesome tool like that.

The game doesn't even work the way it's supposed to. Just yesterday, the game didn't load my setup mid quali session because I failed to remember to hit "tuning setup" and let it load before exiting it and going back out. So, it put me on softs and gave me a full tank. Like... quality. We have to do manual formation laps on lap one because the AI drivers will DESTROY the cars. People can't join with less than 3 minutes left in the session for some reason. Hot swapping drivers doesn't work. etc etc.

I don't wanna speak for everyone here, but for me, I flipped a coin with little research done between PCARS and AC. Didn't take me long to figure out I chose the wrong one, but by then I found a bunch of cool guys and founded a league. The fun of racing with them out weighed the BS of dealing with this franchise.

I was holding onto a small nugget of hope that mods.txt would be released one day, praying to the racing gods at sms to allow us the small, puny honour of releasing a livery pack again, maybe as a reward for staying loyal to this franchise across games and dumping the full 120 dollar pre-order LOL. Meanwhile, I look around to other communities, and they are all doing it no problem with custom helmets, gloves and driver suits as well.

The number one thing that frustrates me in life is lost potential. And not releasing mods.txt is losing a bunch of it. It's also a stupid business decision. It's clear SMS is focussed on the console crowd. Not allowing mods, as shown above by data, kills the chance of growing a community over time.

Oh I almost forgot... Sorry to say ;)

beetes_juice
23-09-2018, 21:07
Welp looks like the only hope for mods.txt is in Project Cars Go.

1185323118
23-09-2018, 21:37
I know some may argue me, but to me Pcars 2 is worse than 1.
I pre-ordered the game, expecting it to be a level upper than 1, but after a year it's more disappointment than happiness.

Physic-wise, I don't know, since I never have driven a real race car;
Graphic-wise, yeah it looks nicer than the old game, people love to take screenshots;

but most importantly, Pcars2 failed as a game. Now it has been released for 1 year and 1 day, there are still plenty of glitches that affects users' gaming experience regularly, i.e. wheel disconnection right before race; then you have bunch of community moderators who are handing out yellow card for constructive suggestions; and no basic league-racing support.
I know 1 has been out longer so the bugs are fixed, plus some features the game lacks can be added through mods.txt, but still 2 is disappointing.

idk If the developers ever thought this way:
Why rFactor 2 has a very outdated main menu, below today average graphics, requires to build dedicated server in order to multiplayer, but still being popular;
Why Assetto Corsa is older than Pcars1, have bad "pHySiCs", average graphics but worse than Pcars2, also requires to build dedicated server in order to multiplayer, but still being popular;

I can't stand for all, but one thing others have but Pcars lacks is league-racing support.

If Pcars series is heading into the direction of Forza Motorsports, where people just go online casually, race against each other, try hard to get higher license points, then call a day after a few games…… I'm fine with no league racing support if Pcars is meant to be that;

Yeah I know Pcars2 has a director mode, it's horrible too. Broadcaster have to join before lobby starts; the info box on bottom right has random bug that not showing anything or spamming fastest lap time info; only 1 set of track-side camera……
(and yeah that league setting function that I barely seen anyone use)
and that's all Pcars2 has for league racing support.

Let's put every competitor's personal custom livery aside for a few second.

Both Assetto Corsa and rFactor 2 has dedicated server plugin that can manipulate the grid. That saves a lot of time for reverse grid racing, or grid based on point standings.
What do we have in Pcars then? I have been in multiple Pcars' "Officially Affiliated Leagues" such as Revolution Sim Racing and Apex Online Racing, where they has to take 5 minutes or one lap off the race time to let moderators call out the grid then form up in order to achieve reverse grid racing.

Then back onto personal custom liveries.
Kinda funny that Pcars forum has a custom livery section, but only allowing one custom livery per car in game.
And plus other people has to download your livery from somewhere else in order to see it.

I can understand that mods.txt has a downside where people can make bad mods. This has been a excuse for several similar circumstances.
At least leave a door for multiple custom liveries.
List me several reasons how custom livery can damage Pcars' reputation.
If the reasons are legit, I'll accept the fact;
If you moderators can't, then please open it up.
I'm not a coding nerd. I'm tired of this complicated livery-install procedure that almost looks like cracking the game. And I believe others do too.

I really want my money back now, but it has been a year and steam won't
Sorry to say. ;)

Mahjik
23-09-2018, 21:45
You all can thank 1185323118 and Synystr for getting this thread closed.