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Shadow26041986
11-11-2017, 00:53
Hi Guys,

today the SMS Team release a patch (Game and Dedicated Server) for the wmdtesting and stagingtest Team. Could this be a sign for a patch this weekend? :p

palm3r
11-11-2017, 03:28
I'm glad if it's true.

But SMS...
Please announce the situation more frequently.
And please use 'News & Announcements forum' instead of replying information to random post. (That's why it exist, right?)

Raklodder
11-11-2017, 03:54
Perhaps they are in the final stages of testing and getting ready for next week?

Roger Prynne
11-11-2017, 07:43
Hi Guys,

today the SMS Team release a patch (Game and Dedicated Server) for the wmdtesting and stagingtest Team. Could this be a sign for a patch this weekend? :p

Where did you get this information?

TheBaldReverend
11-11-2017, 07:48
Where did you get this information?

I'm guessing here https://steamdb.info/app/378860/depots/

Keena
11-11-2017, 08:18
I decided to delete my last post. It serves no useful purpose. Have a good day all. :)

Konan
11-11-2017, 08:41
well i read it and i can assure you that it will get released as soon as it's finished...

V3nom
11-11-2017, 13:23
This thread is awfully empty for not being true. :D

Yorke
11-11-2017, 13:43
well i read it and i can assure you that it will get released as soon as it's finished...

Which might be a while, there are a lot of bugs to fix. Where should I send my invoice for all the beta testing I've been doing while trying to race? :)

MaXyM
11-11-2017, 15:27
You have dated attitude. Nowdays betatesting is paid opportunity ;)

Gav88888
11-11-2017, 17:31
Hi Guys,

today the SMS Team release a patch (Game and Dedicated Server) for the wmdtesting and stagingtest Team. Could this be a sign for a patch this weekend? :p

Not sure if it's this weekend (but I hope it is) by my mate does PC2 testing and hinted any day now...

V3nom
11-11-2017, 17:33
The tease is strong in this one

Roger Prynne
11-11-2017, 17:46
Not sure if it's this weekend (but I hope it is) by my mate does PC2 testing and hinted any day now...

Then he should keep his mouth shut!

davidt33
12-11-2017, 09:39
Waiting excitedly like a little kid to open present.

TopAirspace
12-11-2017, 09:41
Ohh another patch thread....

Cladandadum
12-11-2017, 09:42
Waiting like a little kid to open present.

Lots of little gifts inside said present.....

nono782
12-11-2017, 09:48
They must be patching the patch...

V3nom
12-11-2017, 09:48
I hope the patch is out by the time my precious wheel arrives. :D

Cladandadum
12-11-2017, 09:57
I hope the patch is out by the time my precious wheel arrives. :D

Which wheel are you getting? I must admit that the authenticity of this game has convinced me to take the plunge and buy a wheel.

This is now confirmed as my wife has given her permission....

1nterceptor
12-11-2017, 09:58
I am thinking about the patch all day long
It seems I fell in love with the patch:o

TopAirspace
12-11-2017, 10:01
I am thinking about the patch all day long
It seems I fell in love with the patch:o


https://youtu.be/9Deg7VrpHbM

V3nom
12-11-2017, 10:02
I am waiting for black friday. Depends on what the better offer is but I am for sure getting a t300, either the gt edition or the alcantara edition because they both come with the better pedals. And I'm also getting the playseat challenge. I have done a lot of research on seats and wheels and this is by far the best you can get for your money! :D
I admit it is pretty hard to wait for black friday because I could buy the whole setup right now. I had to keep my cool a couple of times in the last days.. haha

davidt33
12-11-2017, 10:03
Which wheel are you getting? I must admit that the authenticity of this game has convinced me to take the plunge and buy a wheel.

This is now confirmed as my wife has given her permission....
You won't regret it bro. Your fingers and hands will also thank you. Get a decent one to begin with though eh. Worth it in the short to long-term.


I am thinking about the patch all day long
It seems I fell in love with the patch:o
Man I been dreaming of the next patch so long myself. Think I'm in love too. I'm thinking it would be well worth it.

davidt33
12-11-2017, 10:07
I am waiting for black friday. Depends on what the better offer is but I am for sure getting a t300, either the gt edition or the alcantara edition because they both come with the better pedals. And I'm also getting the playseat challenge. I have done a lot of research on seats and wheels and this is by far the best you can get for your money! :D
I admit it is pretty hard to wait for black friday because I could buy the whole setup right now. I had to keep my cool a couple of times in the last days.. haha

Woot Woot!!! Go for it bro.

About the waiting. Me, I don't think I have the patience nah. When you see I eyeing up something so I want to have it now. What about after all the waiting they don't have it on special?

BigDad
12-11-2017, 10:16
Really ! all this talk of loving a patch ! The patch is for a game that we already have and could play , albeit a bit broken in ways but to love a patch that we have never met and that might have a few bugs in it itself !
Do we even know what is in this patch ? Nothing really has been spoken of other than about 150 odd fixes .
Will it bring new content or something ? is that what all the excitement is about ?
Come on Guys go play something else while we wait and just keep an eye on Steam for the update .
I have been playing other Sims and realising how good they are ...Again ..

I think SMS are doing other Sims favours by taking so long to release the patch because it is forcing me and possibly other to fire up Sims that we haven't in a while and seeing the shortcomings of pC2 .
It certainly takes the shine of the new shiny toy .

V3nom
12-11-2017, 10:24
Woot Woot!!! Go for it bro.

About the waiting. Me, I don't think I have the patience nah. When you see I eyeing up something so I want to have it now. What about after all the waiting they don't have it on special?

Yeah well to be honest I have sooo much to do for the University at the moment. So it is better for me to wait till black friday and to bring all the stuff I got to do on point.
But yeah I would probably not give a shit for saving 50 euros or so on black friday, if I would not have anything to do.. :D

davidt33
12-11-2017, 10:26
Yeah well to be honest I have sooo much to do for the University at the moment. So it is better for me to wait till black friday and to bring all the stuff I got to do on point.
But yeah I would probably not give a shit for saving 50 euros or so on black friday, if I would not have anything to do.. :D

How far away is the Black Friday thingy?

V3nom
12-11-2017, 10:33
It's on the 24th, so less then two weeks. I can really use this time and the patch still is'nt there sooo... :D

johnnyone
12-11-2017, 10:35
Iam also waiting for the patch,look every morning for it on steam,hope it fixes the game,sim alot,espeachly the AI.

davidt33
12-11-2017, 10:36
It's on the 24th, so less then two weeks. I can really use this time and the patch still is'nt there sooo... :D

Sounds reasonable. Not too long. And yeah, the next patch will surely be here before that.

Minimitch
12-11-2017, 11:18
I couldn't wait until Black Friday, I bought the T300 Alcantara Edition on Thursday and I can't wait for it to be delivered tomorrow, although I did get it for £300 instead of the £400 Amazon wanted so I can't see me getting it much less if I'd waited

V3nom
12-11-2017, 11:20
Is it your first wheel?
If yes maybe tell us your opinion after using it the first time, please. :D

Minimitch
12-11-2017, 11:23
It's not my 1st wheel, but it is my 1st wheel with FFB. I've currently got a Thrustmaster T80

V3nom
12-11-2017, 11:24
Well it should knock you of your socks I hope. I only tried the g29 but the forcefeedback is so bad in my opinion.

Cladandadum
12-11-2017, 11:28
You won't regret it bro. Your fingers and hands will also thank you. Get a decent one to begin with though eh. Worth it in the short to long-term.

Thanks for the feedback. It will either be the G29 or the T150 pro. I can't justify a higher price point as it will be my first wheel. Any thoughts?

V3nom
12-11-2017, 11:43
I don't know but almost everyone is saying that you shouldn't go for the cheapest of wheels as your first wheel. In the end you will end um craving for better.
To be fair the G29 is not that bad for its price, but the FFB feeling is so bad IMO. I would try the G29 and the t300 if I were you.
I am pretty sure the t300 is worth the 100 extra bucks all day!
And don't forget that black friday is around the corner.

Minimitch
12-11-2017, 11:50
I was all set to get the G29 but after reading some of the stuff on here I decided to spend the extra on the T300 with the upgraded t3pa pedals so I was going to get the T300 gt edition, but then discovered the Alcantara edition for only £30 more and based on people's recommendations I decided to go for it

V3nom
12-11-2017, 12:02
Very good decision. I find it funny that alot of people around youtube say that the FFB on the G29 is really good and strong. I don't know if it has something to do with the fact that they never tried something else or they just like it on the G29 more.
The first time I tried it in a store I asked the staff if the wheel is broken(because of the geared FFB, had no idea at that time).

SlowBloke
12-11-2017, 12:07
Great decision - really solid setup. The difference between the T300 FFB and Logitech is really noticeable. You can really feel (and hear) the plastic gear clunking in the logitech - the T300 is so much smoother, quicker and lets you feel more detailed FFB. It also allows you to catch mistakes more - I felt a lot more consistent with the T300 and was less accident prone.

I prefer my CSW v2.5 but the FFB although significantly stronger is not light years ahead - just the build quality but you sure pay for that. T300 is the magic price performance point - enjoy :).

ShimonART
12-11-2017, 12:12
thread title should be changed to "talk about ffb"

Zaskarspants
12-11-2017, 12:17
Very good decision. I find it funny that alot of people around youtube say that the FFB on the G29 is really good and strong. I don't know if it has something to do with the fact that they never tried something else or they just like it on the G29 more.
The first time I tried it in a store I asked the staff if the wheel is broken(because of the geared FFB, had no idea at that time).

I am happy to say you are indeed mistaken. The torque produced by both wheels is sufficient in my experience of both.

The t300 feels smoother with slightly higher torque, and the g29 slightly better in the higher frequencies produced by rumble strip effects.

The gear drive of the G29 only feels slightly ' geary ' for the first few weeks. Mine does not have a dead spot.

G29s have a good record for reliability.

xelapc
12-11-2017, 12:20
Sorry I'm deep in AC again since 3 weeks. Is another patch for the patch comming soon? Is it officially announced?

Minimitch
12-11-2017, 12:31
thread title should be changed to "talk about ffb"

More interesting than another "when is the next patch coming" thread lol

V3nom
12-11-2017, 12:33
@Zaskarspants

I aggree on the reliability part from what I have heard. But I still can't get over the part of how bad the FFB feels in comparison to the t300.
Note that I only tried these two wheels.
And yes maybe the settings were not done correctly but for what I have tested the G29 feels weak and broken in terms of FFB.

Zaskarspants
12-11-2017, 12:59
@Zaskarspants

I aggree on the reliability part from what I have heard. But I still can't get over the part of how bad the FFB feels in comparison to the t300.
Note that I only tried these two wheels.
And yes maybe the settings were not done correctly but for what I have tested the G29 feels weak and broken in terms of FFB.

Yes, I understand, but ( ed. as you say) the wheel may have been set up poorly. To imply that G29s are weak on this evidence alone is not reflective of most users experience, or certainly mine.

If i upgrade my g29 / g920 it will not be for more strength or more torque but for more nuance. The g29 / 920 is quite capable of tiring your arms in a few mins.

Trooper117
12-11-2017, 13:04
Ohh another patch thread....

I wonder why... still, I'll wait until it comes before I play the game again. Lots of stuff to play in the meantime. I'm spending my game time on Battlefront II and Assassins Creed till that happens :)

Trooper117
12-11-2017, 13:07
Bit harsh Rog... he hasn't given anything away.

Konan
12-11-2017, 13:14
Bit harsh Rog... he hasn't given anything away.

Not his first post though...put this one along side it and indeed too much has been "leaked"

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?57015-Patch-in-days-or-weeks-Please-inform&p=1417461&viewfull=1#post1417461

BigDad
12-11-2017, 13:17
I wonder why... still, I'll wait until it comes before I play the game again. Lots of stuff to play in the meantime. I'm spending my game time on Battlefront II and Assassins Creed till that happens :)

Wolfenstein 2 and Destiny 2 for me !Oh , and a little AMS and R3E .

Trooper117
12-11-2017, 13:24
I must admit, I sometimes fall foul of 'Patch Fever' or 'F5 Finger RSI', but there is always something else we can be doing with our time...

Minimitch
12-11-2017, 13:25
I'm switching between PCars2, AC Origins and CoD WW2

GenBrien
12-11-2017, 14:19
is there anything at all in the gaming world that is released the week-end?

davidt33
12-11-2017, 14:25
Thanks for the feedback. It will either be the G29 or the T150 pro. I can't justify a higher price point as it will be my first wheel. Any thoughts?

I didn't realise Thrustmaster released a newer version of the T150 until you mentioned T150 Pro and just now double-checked on Amazon. Release date says October 2017. The original T150 was the lowest of the bunch when I was originally looking for a wheel. Maybe they've improved it I imagine. Still would be chancy to me considering.

I opted back then for the Logitech G29 as it from reviews back then was the superior wheel though a bit more expensive but I guess you get what you pay for. Plus it was PS4 compatible and if memory serves me right the original T150 wasn't.
The first G29 I got, after about a year went on the bum though as menus began jumping all over the place...probably something was shorting. Fortunately I was able to get a fairly good used one from a friend at a good price shortly after (about a year now) and that has been going very good, knock on wood....and it's been regularly used. Can't complain about the FFB either.

Cladandadum
12-11-2017, 14:44
Thanks man. I really appreciate this. I'm opting for the G29 at the moment, having started out with the thrustmaster in my mind. Lots of research can merely compound the issue so it's great to have your thoughts.

Olijke Poffer
12-11-2017, 16:04
I have the T150 pro and works great. Ok it is not my former TX italia wheel on the Xbox which I sold but the T150 Pro is a great wheel consider the price..

SunBro
12-11-2017, 16:24
As of this post, it has now been one (1) full blown, complete month since the last time the game got updated (not counting the recent buggy X update)

Can't wait for the patch next week. *rubs hands*

davidt33
12-11-2017, 16:32
As of this post, it has now been one (1) full blown, complete month since the last time the game got updated (not counting the recent buggy X update)

Can't wait for the patch next week. *rubs hands*

I have a good feeling it coming this week.

Roger Prynne
12-11-2017, 16:50
Bit harsh Rog... he hasn't given anything away.

Not really as leaks of any kind are not excepted.
Also we don't know how much more has been leaked from this guy.
We are chasing him down though.

RomKnight
12-11-2017, 16:59
Let me know if there's a need for substitute. Not in leaking off. I mean testing :)

Roger Prynne
12-11-2017, 17:04
Give Ben a PM, he might let you in.

GaryWasHere65
12-11-2017, 17:36
I have a good feeling it coming this week.

We can all live in hope, but dont be putting any money on it!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

Cafe Racer
12-11-2017, 17:44
Which wheel are you getting? I must admit that the authenticity of this game has convinced me to take the plunge and buy a wheel.

This is now confirmed as my wife has given her permission....

Permission?!?!? Daaaannnngggg... YOU MARRIED GUYS!!!

Good for you though!

Minimitch
12-11-2017, 17:53
Gamer Muscle on YouTube helped convince my wife I needed to upgrade my wheel lol

Konan
12-11-2017, 18:08
As of this post, it has now been one (1) full blown, complete month since the last time the game got updated (not counting the recent buggy X update)

Can't wait for the patch next week. *rubs hands*

Buggy X update?
I think all X owners were very happy with that update...

Roushman624
12-11-2017, 18:10
Buggy X update?
I think all X owners were very happy with that update...

For the most part yes, we were very happy.

Cafe Racer
12-11-2017, 18:10
Gamer Muscle on YouTube helped convince my wife I needed to upgrade my wheel lol

I've see his videos... They're good! But I didn't realize they're THAT GOOD!!! Spread the word, help out the married guys!!! :D

SunBro
12-11-2017, 18:22
Buggy X update?
I think all X owners were very happy with that update...

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?57025-It-s-a-Bug-patched-soon-Ian-Bell-XBox-One-X-Track-graphic-Settings-set-to-low

We'll see how smooth the game'll run on the X after being brought back to high track settings. I'm reserving my judgement for now.

Konan
12-11-2017, 18:27
Really? you base your statement on one bug that snook in?
looks to me that you're judging already...

GTsimms
12-11-2017, 18:36
SunBro, please find some positive comments. You're already posting misinformation about things http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?55676-Any-idea-what-next-patch-will-cover&p=1418967&viewfull=1#post1418967

Olijke Poffer
12-11-2017, 19:26
Lol and again a thread of 5 pages long about when the update will be released.. unbelievable. We all know that sms does not announce WHEN. So why can’t we all put it to the rest and just wait on news from SMS. :D

Konan
12-11-2017, 19:29
really like the "tick tock tick tock" in the title though....love those grandfather clocks :cool:

davidt33
12-11-2017, 19:37
Lol and again a thread of 5 pages long about when the update will be released.. unbelievable. We all know that sms does not announce WHEN. So why can’t we all put it to the rest and just wait on news from SMS. :D

To be fair, it started off with when patch come tick tock but turned into useful discussion on wheels. Is how it roll.

Nyreen
12-11-2017, 19:40
Konan : Yeah, they're becoming more and more creative with their titles, I think there's a competition going on. Who's thread is gonna be the most answered about a patch that no one cannot predict its release.

Or, from what I've understood, you should ask Microsoft about it.

Konan
12-11-2017, 19:42
Konan : Yeah, they're becoming more and more creative with their titles, I think there's a competition going on. Who's thread is gonna be the most answered about a patch that no one cannot predict its release.

Or, from what I've understood, you should ask Microsoft about it.

i only have one thing to say to that: tick tock tick tock...LOL

Nyreen
12-11-2017, 19:43
Why does it remind me of that reverse clock sample from Martin Garrix ? Oh god, I was starting to forget that Dutch Electro was a thing !

Konan
12-11-2017, 19:46
Why does it remind me of that reverse clock sample from Martin Garrix ? Oh god, I was starting to forget that Dutch Electro was a thing !

yep...and New Beat...not that i'm proud of that really :rolleyes:

Paulpg87
12-11-2017, 20:03
Considering the hype for patches the game should be 20€ and the patches 15€ each, we would also get rid of "i beta tested the game want my money back".Just kidding off course.

TerminatorGR
12-11-2017, 20:22
We need it this week guys.

balderz002
12-11-2017, 20:29
We need it this week guys.

Need is a strong word.

I need oxygen to breath.
I need sleep when I'm tired.
I need food when I am hungry.


I want the latest Project Cars 2 patch.

There is a difference.

Konan
12-11-2017, 20:36
Besides...it's Sunday (over here anyway) so that will be quite impossible...

V3nom
12-11-2017, 20:45
Oxygen is overrated.

senna94f1
12-11-2017, 20:45
Last I heard 2 weeks ago on Twitter is patch was almost here and it contains 150 fixes ,

So like rest of us I was think yeah tomorrow yeah got to b then the day after tomorrow and so on ,

In truthfulness I don't care anymore,it will be here when it's here , I just hope all my friends who i twisted there arms to get game and who have left me lol

Come back to race against me , personally I really don't care about that either now ,

Konan
12-11-2017, 20:51
Last I heard 2 weeks ago on Twitter is patch was almost here and it contains 150 fixes ,

So like rest of us I was think yeah tomorrow yeah got to b then the day after tomorrow and so on ,

In truthfulness I don't care anymore,it will be here when it's here , I just hope all my friends who i twisted there arms to get game and who have left me lol

Come back to race against me , personally I really don't care about that either now ,

Don't get depressed about it mate...i know for some it means a lot but it's still only a game...

Minimitch
12-11-2017, 21:01
Wow didn't realise how worked up people get over a patch. Life is short guys, spend it enjoying what you do have instead of worrying about what you don't

V3nom
12-11-2017, 21:10
It reminds of the kid desperately wanting to play unreal tournament..
https://youtu.be/sUSN7fqVBio

Tank621
12-11-2017, 21:16
really like the "tick tock tick tock" in the title though....love those grandfather clocks :cool:

Someone needs to go to Martinsville

Raklodder
12-11-2017, 21:52
The lack of communication is unforgivable.

Gloomy
12-11-2017, 21:55
Forget patch 3.0, I'm looking forward to patch 5.0. Now that's where the juicy stuff is going to be! Can't wait!

Brado23
12-11-2017, 23:52
The lack of communication is unforgivable.

It wouldn't be hard or time consuming to say something like "We have just released a new build to WMD testers today (yesterday, whenever) which we are hoping, pending tests, is the final version of the patch we will be releasing to the public in the next 2 days (or on X day) on PC and subsequently consoles, pending Microsoft/Sony approval. Note however, that this could be delayed if critical issues with the patch are found by WMD testers that require fixing. This process would likely add additional days to the release timeframe for the patch depending on the complexity of the issues that need to be addressed."

That would probably be enough to keep most people happy, and would probably prevent the current situation where a new thread is opened every day asking when the patch is going to be released.

Konan
13-11-2017, 04:31
Note however, that this could be delayed if critical issues with the patch are found by WMD testers that require fixing. This process would likely add additional days to the release timeframe for the patch depending on the complexity of the issues that need to be addressed."

Not that we didn't explain that before :rolleyes:...which is also why they can't stick a date on it...

Brado23
13-11-2017, 05:48
Not that we didn't explain that before :rolleyes:...which is also why they can't stick a date on it...

Yeah the bit you quoted would just be the disclaimer if they did decide to give a rough date the devs were aiming for. The first part of the statement is the more important bit as that is what no-one knows, and is currently leading to F5 clicking syndrome on the steam depot page, as well as a million "when is the patch coming" posts lol :D

Alywan
13-11-2017, 07:08
I swear if i get to play 3.0 by the end of today, i'm going to sacrifice a goat!

iamisti
13-11-2017, 07:19
I put all my money there won't be any release today mate

Fuzzy
13-11-2017, 07:29
I guess all this clamoring for a patch is a kind of sideways compliment to SMS -it means people love the game! Personally, I'm very keen to get a patch, but I think the game is brilliant as it is, so I'm able to wait patiently. Having worked in software development, my mind is blown by the complexity of Pcars 2.

I think these 'where's the patch?' threads could be re-titled 'Is the glass half full or half empty -poll' or even 'Did Mummy and Daddy give you a bit too much attention?'!!

The Best Beast
13-11-2017, 08:01
Not that we didn't explain that before :rolleyes:...which is also why they can't stick a date on it...

You can do a social experiment and laugh at the results :D

Sankyo
13-11-2017, 08:02
I put all my money there won't be any release today mate
Deal! I'm going to talk to Ian right now to make something happen today, split the profit and then do a 'second release' within a week or so :p

Invincible
13-11-2017, 08:04
Bit harsh Rog... he hasn't given anything away.

It's not harsh. If he is in the testing group, he is under NDA, which means the isn't even allowed to tell his closest friends or family.

LukeC
13-11-2017, 08:07
I swear if i get to play 3.0 by the end of today, i'm going to sacrifice a goat!

That's not how it works. You have to sacrifice the goat first, then the patch will come. :D

Sankyo
13-11-2017, 08:11
That's not how it works. You have to sacrifice the goat first, then the patch will come. :D

I'm sure there were also 'thank you' sacrifices back in the day?

LukeC
13-11-2017, 08:27
I'm sure there were also 'thank you' sacrifices back in the day?

Don't know about that. All the sacrifies I know about were to make something happen and/or to appease the gods, or God.

Invincible
13-11-2017, 08:29
That's not how it works. You have to sacrifice the goat first, then the patch will come. :D


I'm sure there were also 'thank you' sacrifices back in the day?

I don't care. Just keep this poor goat alive... It can't even play Pcars 2, so there's no sense in sacrificing it for it.

You can burn a DD wheel to please the Simracing-God though. Or melt a set of Heusinkvelt-pedals with thermite. Now THAT would be a sacrifice.

Konan
13-11-2017, 08:32
I'm sure there were also 'thank you' sacrifices back in the day?

Indeed....something involving a virgin springs to mind...:cool:

LukeC
13-11-2017, 08:38
Indeed....something involving a virgin springs to mind...:cool:

So a set of virgin, never used Heusinkveld pedals it is, then.

Anyone?

balderz002
13-11-2017, 09:10
Indeed....something involving a virgin springs to mind...:cool:

The way some posts/ topics go, there seems to be quite a few uptight, selfconscious types in here! Lol

Its ok if your STILL a virgin............. Might want to demand SMS for a patch for that too!

NutieNastya
13-11-2017, 09:18
You have dated attitude. Nowdays betatesting is paid opportunity ;)

This.

FInroDz
13-11-2017, 09:29
The patch is just a patch waiting for the next patch. There will always be somebody dissatisfied.

In the meantime, I drive like a baby swimming in a sea of sweets :cool:

jimortality
13-11-2017, 09:46
Do steam even release patches on a Monday? Sure I read somewhere that for some reason, they don't.

carlosmoitinho
13-11-2017, 10:29
The new patch does not wait for more

RomKnight
13-11-2017, 10:46
You'll need to elaborate on this.

What you wrote doesn't make sense to me (at least)

PotatoMasher81
13-11-2017, 10:50
The new patch does not wait for more

The new patch doesn't wait for less either!

carlosmoitinho
13-11-2017, 10:53
where is the PATCH ???

carlosmoitinho
13-11-2017, 10:54
sorry, where is the patch?

cluck
13-11-2017, 10:55
It's not out yet. Next?

You know, asking where it is won't make it appear any faster :)

RomKnight
13-11-2017, 10:55
On its way.

I foresee a "thread closed".

Bealdor
13-11-2017, 11:01
Multiple threads merged.

klysm
13-11-2017, 11:13
Bump, because Patch!

NutieNastya
13-11-2017, 11:20
The majority of drivers I spoke with told me they would be satisfied with you just giving them a timeframe they can work with. Like expect it in 3-4 weeks or so, anything but 'Soon™' would make the majority shut up.

Invincible
13-11-2017, 11:32
The majority of drivers I spoke with told me they would be satisfied with you just giving them a timeframe they can work with. Like expect it in 3-4 weeks or so, anything but 'Soon™' would make the majority shut up.

Yeah, but SMS can't give a timeframe because there could the odd issue pop up a day before which then delays it for another week. Which would then cause another uproar. So they don't give a timeframe at all.

cjhill44
13-11-2017, 11:42
be patient everyone - at patch IS coming, either enjoy PC2 in the meantime or switch to something else.
I'm mostly racing C1 cars at the mo, great fun to drive and I know where the bugs are so have turned penalties off and manual pit on!

Dady Cairo
13-11-2017, 12:16
Some varieties of cheese mature quickly!!
Mostly at the customers home.
DC

PeakyBriar
13-11-2017, 12:49
vaporware
[vey-per-wair]

noun
1. Computer Slang. a product, especially software, that is promoted or marketed while it is still in development and that may never be produced.



There is no publicly released v1.3 patch for PC2, it quite simply doesn't exist until its released, and since nobody can see into the future, then it has to be acknowledged that it may never be released. 'Promises' are nothing other than 'predictions'.

Zeem
13-11-2017, 12:52
I'd hardly say the patch has been 'promoted', hah. More like reluctantly elaborated on in response to player demands.

PeakyBriar
13-11-2017, 13:00
It's impressive what people will believe because they want it to be true.

Promises, promises turn to dust
Wedding bells just turn to rust
Trust into mistrust

Beautiful South – A Little Time

Fuzzy
13-11-2017, 13:09
It's impressive what people will believe because they want it to be true.

Promises, promises turn to dust
Wedding bells just turn to rust
Trust into mistrust

Beautiful South – A Little Time

Hmmm yeah... you might be on to something... it's all an elaborate hoax... cleverrrr.

Also: The moon landing never happened, Obama wasn't born in the US & there is a secret group ruling the world (probably headed up by Ian Bell).

PeakyBriar
13-11-2017, 13:15
The moon landing is provable by the things they left behind, Obama's birth place has official records, either are good enough for me.

I don't buy the "secret world ruling group", but you can believe that if you like...

But nobody can prove there is a public patch 1.3 for PC2 exists, because it doesn't. Nobody can prove for certain it will exist (since nobody can see the future).

All that is certain is that it has been promised by people who believe it will happen. Faith is a funny thing. The beauty of it is that faith in any particular thing is optional on a personal basis. Some may choose to believe that a patch will come, and it will be 'soon' (whatever they choose to believe 'soon' means). Others can chose to believe it'll never happen.

Talk is cheap

BTW: I'd say you'd best hope that Obama doesn't play PC2, and isn't registered on this forum, otherwise you'd be due a ban for "insulting other forum members"

iggy
13-11-2017, 13:21
When they do release patches, do they release for PC and consoles at the same time?

Fight-Test
13-11-2017, 13:21
The moon landing is provable by the things they left behind, Obama's birth place has official records, either are good enough for me.

I don't buy the "secret world ruling group", but you can believe that if you like...

But nobody can prove there is a public patch 1.3 for PC2 exists, because it doesn't. Nobody can prove for certain it will exist (since nobody can see the future).

All that is certain is that it has been promised by people who believe it will happen. Faith is a funny thing. The beauty of it is that faith in any particular thing is optional on a personal basis. Some may choose to believe that a patch will come, and it will be 'soon' (whatever they choose to believe 'soon' means). Others can chose to believe it'll never happen.

Talk is cheap

BTW: I'd say you'd best hope that Obama doesn't play PC2, and isn't registered on this forum, otherwise you'd be due a ban for "insulting other forum members"

I love the "add to ignore list" for users.

Fuzzy
13-11-2017, 13:22
Talk IS cheap.

On the other hand, coding and testing massively complex software is both expensive and time consuming.

Konan
13-11-2017, 13:23
The majority of drivers I spoke with told me they would be satisfied with you just giving them a timeframe they can work with. Like expect it in 3-4 weeks or so, anything but 'Soon™' would make the majority shut up.

Somewhere between now and patch 1.4...

NutieNastya
13-11-2017, 13:24
Yeah, but SMS can't give a timeframe because there could the odd issue pop up a day before which then delays it for another week. Which would then cause another uproar. So they don't give a timeframe at all.

Seems reasonable. The thing that bugs me on that is the how the result is handled - Threads like this wouldn't exist in such an extend if there would be some sort of timeframe given. But yea, that's my opinion :)

Konan
13-11-2017, 13:27
Seems reasonable. The thing that bugs me on that is the how the result is handled - Threads like this wouldn't exist in such an extend if there would be some sort of timeframe given. But yea, that's my opinion :)

So on the one hand everyone wants the bugs they report to be fixed ASAP and on the other hand you want a timeframe?
So let's say SMS did that...no way they can include fixes that were reported afterwards and not mess with that timeframe...

Bealdor
13-11-2017, 13:27
It's impressive what people will believe because they want it to be true.

Promises, promises turn to dust
Wedding bells just turn to rust
Trust into mistrust

Beautiful South – A Little Time


vaporware
[vey-per-wair]

noun
1. Computer Slang. a product, especially software, that is promoted or marketed while it is still in development and that may never be produced.



There is no publicly released v1.3 patch for PC2, it quite simply doesn't exist until its released, and since nobody can see into the future, then it has to be acknowledged that it may never be released. 'Promises' are nothing other than 'predictions'.


The moon landing is provable by the things they left behind, Obama's birth place has official records, either are good enough for me.

I don't buy the "secret world ruling group", but you can believe that if you like...

But nobody can prove there is a public patch 1.3 for PC2 exists, because it doesn't. Nobody can prove for certain it will exist (since nobody can see the future).

All that is certain is that it has been promised by people who believe it will happen. Faith is a funny thing. The beauty of it is that faith in any particular thing is optional on a personal basis. Some may choose to believe that a patch will come, and it will be 'soon' (whatever they choose to believe 'soon' means). Others can chose to believe it'll never happen.

Talk is cheap

BTW: I'd say you'd best hope that Obama doesn't play PC2, and isn't registered on this forum, otherwise you'd be due a ban for "insulting other forum members"

Any more generic nonsense you're planning to share with us?

RomKnight
13-11-2017, 13:32
If SMS got quiet and suddenly released a patch everyone would say "great" "glad to see this and that bug are not more"... and then start nitpicking on other stuff ofc :D

But because SMS said the fixed stuff and quite large already and xbx patch release and all people think they have the right to demand whatever they thing they're right about.

Beauty of patching is that unlike a game release date - this is stuff for publishers in order to maximise sales and not clashing with other major titles which are also probably on the same publisher - patches DON'T need a time frame.

It's almost worse than releasing a game because you can't make drastic and fundamental changes just because as changes after a game is made can really brake the game that, for better or worse is working.

The conspiracy theories posts are plain ridiculous though.

NutieNastya
13-11-2017, 13:33
So on the one hand everyone wants the bugs they report to be fixed ASAP and on the other hand you want a timeframe?
So let's say SMS did that...no way they can include fixes that were reported afterwards and not mess with that timeframe...
I personally don't want them to be fixed ASAP since this is quite unrealistic especially for the price we pay for the game. They could decrease the time between patches, split the reports up with the highest priority for them coming first and roll out hotfixes for severe issues. But keep in mind that I don't have any experince on how this process would work out for a developer team in practice, it's just my idea and opinion on how to maybe fix the issue we're experiencing right now.

Sankyo
13-11-2017, 13:38
vaporware
[vey-per-wair]

noun
1. Computer Slang. a product, especially software, that is promoted or marketed while it is still in development and that may never be produced.

There is no publicly released v1.3 patch for PC2, it quite simply doesn't exist until its released, and since nobody can see into the future, then it has to be acknowledged that it may never be released. 'Promises' are nothing other than 'predictions'.
Stating that there's a theoretical chance that something may not happen isn't the same as proving that it's likely that it will not happen.

The missing thing in that reasoning is that when saying 'there's a chance that it may never be released', it doesn't mean that suddenly it's potential vaporware unless you make it very plausible that the chance of that happening is significantly larger than zero. Otherwise it's just stating something to stir things up.

Sankyo
13-11-2017, 13:41
where is the PATCH ???
I saw it on this forum yesterday, it must be hiding somwhere!

Bealdor
13-11-2017, 13:47
I saw it on this forum yesterday, it must be hiding somwhere!

I heard that you can find the download link by clicking on "Advanced Search" and then hitting CTRL + W.

banner77amc
13-11-2017, 13:50
I found something that I can pass out to everyone while we wait.... 245150

GenBrien
13-11-2017, 13:50
I heard that you can find the download link by clicking on "Advanced Search" and then hitting CTRL + W.

ALT+ F4 does it too :rolleyes:

JasonB
13-11-2017, 13:58
All this crap where people want ETA's and promises as to what's being fixed is just nonsense. Having someone give you an ETA doesn't actually get the patch out to you quicker, and it's not like you're planning your life around a game patch anyway. Unless you doubt they're actually working on another patch, why all the whining?

Bug-fixing is as much art as it is science, and a lot of times a developer won't know until last minute what can actually be included in a release. In most cases, bugs aren't known quantities (else they wouldn't be bugs). In fact, most developers, tech leads, and project managers don't assign effort estimates to fixing bugs, because anything that's said is simply a guess. There's nothing to gain and everything to lose by having that conversation. As a dev, the flak you get for not providing constant (stupid) updates is trivial when compared to the flak you get if you give an incorrect ETA.

Meekychunky
13-11-2017, 14:07
All this crap where people want ETA's and promises as to what's being fixed is just nonsense. Having someone give you an ETA doesn't actually get the patch out to you quicker, and it's not like you're planning your life around a game patch anyway. Unless you doubt they're actually working on another patch, why all the whining?

Bug-fixing is as much art as it is science, and a lot of times a developer won't know until last minute what can actually be included in a release. In most cases, bugs aren't known quantities (else they wouldn't be bugs). In fact, most developers, tech leads, and project managers don't assign effort estimates to fixing bugs, because anything that's said is simply a guess. There's nothing to gain and everything to lose by having that conversation. As a dev, the flak you get for not providing constant (stupid) updates is trivial when compared to the flak you get if you give an incorrect ETA.

I know some people are renting dedicated servers and coordinating leagues - they'd certainly find ETAs useful.

balderz002
13-11-2017, 14:14
So SMS come out with a date...... 3 things could happen i guess

1. patch rolls out on time, fixes what is supposed to - bucket load of spoilt kids whinge about 'THEIR' bug not being fixed yet (no matter what actually got fixed)
2. SMS find an underlying problem, pushes patch out on prescribed date anyway - bucket load of spoilt kids whinge about the bugs
3. SMS find an underlying problem, push back the patch release to fix the problem, patch comes out late - bucket load of spoilt kids whinge about the delay.

Win-win.............................

JasonB
13-11-2017, 14:16
I know some people are renting dedicated servers and coordinating leagues - they'd certainly find ETAs useful.

Any ETA they get would just be a WAG, so not much value to it.

JasonB
13-11-2017, 14:18
So SMS come out with a date...... 3 things could happen i guess

1. patch rolls out on time, fixes what is supposed to - bucket load of spoilt kids whinge about 'THEIR' bug not being fixed yet (no matter what actually got fixed)
2. SMS find an underlying problem, pushes patch out on prescribed date anyway - bucket load of spoilt kids whinge about the bugs
3. SMS find an underlying problem, push back the patch release to fix the problem, patch comes out late - bucket load of spoilt kids whinge about the delay.

Win-win.............................

Exactly. There's just nothing to be gained. I've been doing this for nearly 20 years. Anymore, the only way you get a date out of me is if you hold a gun to my head. And you'll need to show me the bullets.

PeakyBriar
13-11-2017, 14:21
Any more generic nonsense you're planning to share with us?

Nah, I think that'll do for now (thanks for the interest though, means a lot). From a glance around other forum posts are fulfilling that requirement just fine without me:


Somewhere between now and patch 1.4...


Everything is possible with enough time and budget. ;)


SMSoon™


I saw it on this forum yesterday, it must be hiding somwhere!

Oh, sorry, do the same rules/standards not apply to everyone? I must have missed that memo.

Seriously though, I thought it was pretty obvious this thread was going 'nowhere useful' long before I joined in.

m00lean
13-11-2017, 14:22
Are we there yet?

Konan
13-11-2017, 14:25
Oh, sorry, do the same rules/standards not apply to everyone? I must have missed that memo.

The three first ones you quoted are the plain truth though...

Meekychunky
13-11-2017, 14:28
Any ETA they get would just be a WAG, so not much value to it.

Sadly true - because it seems SMS don't practise iterative development :(

Turbo-Noob
13-11-2017, 14:32
Invisible cars (walls) exist since 2015. What patch are you waiting for? Wait for Project Cars 3. For racers by racers.

JasonB
13-11-2017, 14:36
Sadly true - because it seems SMS don't practise iterative development :(

Non sequitur. What on earth does "iterative development" have to do with not being able to provide estimates on bugfixes? In fact, why do you think assigning points to bugs in Agile (the most common example of an "iterative development" framework) is so contentious?

RomKnight
13-11-2017, 14:36
I don't recall that even during development (the invisible walls) on pC2

PeakyBriar
13-11-2017, 14:38
The three first ones you quoted are the plain truth though...

The three posts I made that were quoted as 'generic nonsense' are as equally true as the first three posts I quoted (I merely stated that: A) The patch doesn't exist until its released; B) People will believe what they want to believe; C) People are free to believe what they want. I just threw some other text around it for some colour, and to lighten the/my mood (I'm writing something in C today, so it helped).

Equally, my posts, and the ones I quoted add nothing to the discussion. Seems pretty similar to me.

How about we agree to disagree? (joking about that though, I expect that is unlikely).

Meekychunky
13-11-2017, 14:39
Non sequitur. What on earth does "iterative development" have to do with not being able to provide estimates on bugfixes? In fact, why do you think assigning points to bugs in Agile (the most common example of an "iterative development" framework) is so contentious?

Because when you break massive deployments up into 150 smaller chunks (or whatever the current count is), it's easier to estimate their delivery timeframe.

PeakyBriar
13-11-2017, 14:43
All this crap where people want ETA's and promises as to what's being fixed is just nonsense. Having someone give you an ETA doesn't actually get the patch out to you quicker, and it's not like you're planning your life around a game patch anyway. Unless you doubt they're actually working on another patch, why all the whining?

Bug-fixing is as much art as it is science, and a lot of times a developer won't know until last minute what can actually be included in a release. In most cases, bugs aren't known quantities (else they wouldn't be bugs). In fact, most developers, tech leads, and project managers don't assign effort estimates to fixing bugs, because anything that's said is simply a guess. There's nothing to gain and everything to lose by having that conversation. As a dev, the flak you get for not providing constant (stupid) updates is trivial when compared to the flak you get if you give an incorrect ETA.


Talk IS cheap.

On the other hand, coding and testing massively complex software is both expensive and time consuming.

I've worked in software development, likely longer than half the development team for PC2, and yea, while finding bugs is easy, finding the cause is hard, but fixing them can sometimes be easy depending on how the software was written in the first place.

I think possibly one issue is that the aim appears to have ended up to fix everything in one go (possibly because they want to patch the consoles and PC at the same time, in the same way), when, personally, I'd have thought it would have been better to fix the UI first (Setup saving/loading, server filtering, searching, multiplayer session information) in one patch, and leave the 'tricky' stuff for a later patch. Everything is always clear in hindsight (especially when looking in from the outside and basing most of it on assumptions).

Unless the software is written like spaghetti (which I doubt), I'm pretty sure any competent coder could have fixed the loading/saving setup bug in less than a day. Maybe two days tops to fix/improve the multiplayer filtering. But now (relatively) easy fixes are held up for the hard ones.

c'est la vie!


Talk is cheap

I better be getting back to work :/

JasonB
13-11-2017, 14:47
Because when you break massive deployments up into 150 smaller chunks (or whatever the current count is), it's easier to estimate their delivery timeframe.

1. It costs a small fortune to get a patch certified for release on the consoles.
2. You're still talking about bugs as if they were normal story cards; they're not. Bugs are incredibly difficult to estimate, even once you've identified a root cause, because you then need to assess the potential domino effect of fixing it.

Konan
13-11-2017, 14:50
Not sure about the "supermoderator" thing though, sounds a bit like saying that cops can break the law, because they are cops. How about we agree to disagree? (joking about that though, I expect that is unlikely).

That's why i deleted it before you posted...
Why shouldn't i agree to disagree?
I disagree so i agree...

JasonB
13-11-2017, 14:56
finding the cause is hard, but fixing them can sometimes be easy depending on how the software was written in the first place.

No doubt that how well the software was written factors into how easy a bug is to fix, but it's hardly the only consideration. And sure, in a perfect world, all software is written perfectly: single source of truth for everthing, every method does one and only one task, etc. Near 100% code coverage on units tests, etc. But we both know it rarely works that way ;) For example, I'm sure in SMS' chase for "60FPS or die", things got hacked up a bit. We can debate the merits of that all we want, but game development - which I was involved in once upon a time - is its own animal.



I'm pretty sure any competent coder could have fixed the loading/saving setup bug in less than a day

Perhaps, perhaps not. We don't know how setups are consumed by the game engine in-game; that could have a huge impact on the nature of the save process itself. Then there's the fact that setups are all saved in a single file and in a non-standard format. While on the surface that seems like an incredibly silly design decision, the fact is that's what they're now constrained by, and that could be complicating things, as well.

The point is, there are so many variables we're not privy to. All I know is that I absolutely LOVE it when someone - usually some "dude" from marketing - tells me or my team how easy it should be to fix bugs. I certainly never expect to hear that from another developer, because we're at least equipped to appreciate the fact that we don't know what we don't know.

tms
13-11-2017, 15:01
1. It costs a small fortune to get a patch certified for release on the consoles.

Where did you get this info? MS dropped their certification fee in 2013 as far as I know. Not sure if Sony ever had such thing.

Keena
13-11-2017, 15:04
Where did you get this info? MS dropped their certification fee in 2013 as far as I know. Not sure if Sony ever had such thing.

Just for the 360 I think..
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-26-microsoft-no-longer-charges-developers-to-patch-their-xbox-360-games
Although the second paragraph of this section might be pertinent..
Microsoft has always charged a fee when developers first submit their games to Microsoft's certification process so they can be approved for release, and the company normally grants developers one title update free of charge. This remains the case, but sources have told Eurogamer that subsequent re-certification as a result of a title update is now free. This applies to Xbox Live Arcade games and full retail games.

There are caveats, we understand. If a developer is deemed to be making an excessive number of re-submissions due to an update failing certification, for example, Microsoft reserves the right to issue a charge. But the changes should make critics of Microsoft's closed platform happier - and align the Xbox ecosystem more closely with the likes of Steam.

PeakyBriar
13-11-2017, 15:06
That's why i deleted it before you posted...
Why shouldn't i agree to disagree?
I disagree so i agree...

Fair enough. I have edited my quote and reply accordingly. Agreement agreed!

Turbo-Noob
13-11-2017, 15:11
I don't recall that even during development (the invisible walls) on pC2

Why I know about this, and you do not?

Invisible "walls" = invisible cars. These cars were invisible in the race. About 5 cars crashed into these invisible cars still on the warm-up lap. Why do ghost cars stand on the track from 2015?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx6UOqqk-l8

Keena
13-11-2017, 15:46
Just a heads up SMS. I'm back from work again Wed afternoon UTC ;)

Raklodder
13-11-2017, 17:37
Why I know about this, and you do not?

Invisible "walls" = invisible cars. These cars were invisible in the race. About 5 cars crashed into these invisible cars still on the warm-up lap. Why do ghost cars stand on the track from 2015?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx6UOqqk-l8

That's how a bug video is made, job well done.

Schnizz58
13-11-2017, 17:39
I can confirm that the patch will be released this week as I'm out of the country from tomorrow until Sunday.

TheBaldReverend
13-11-2017, 17:59
I can confirm that the patch will be released this week as I'm out of the country from tomorrow until Sunday.

It's actually coming out tomorrow.

jimortality
13-11-2017, 18:06
It's actually coming out tomorrow.

Good cos I'm off work tomorrow and Wednesday

johnnieshere
13-11-2017, 18:07
I have a career defining exam and training on the 24th November so if you want to hold the patch until then you have my blessing :p

I'm sure everyone else will be supportive of the decision

Keena
13-11-2017, 19:01
I just found myself perusing the WMD forum (for no real reason) and couldn't help but be tickled at this... (puts on Rolf Harris voice- "Can you tell what it is yet?"..) ;)
http://pcars2.wmdportal.com/forumdisplay.php?159-Bug-Reports

PeakyBriar
13-11-2017, 19:03
I have a career defining exam and training on the 24th November so if you want to hold the patch until then you have my blessing :p

I'm sure everyone else will be supportive of the decision


Then until you are finished on the 24th. You (should) have the worlds blessing for it to kiss your ass, games included, delete that, ignore anything, and worry about it all later. You have the whole rest of your life to make up for it.

Brado23
13-11-2017, 19:33
SMS, please don't EVER release the patch. Over the last month or so I have become quite attached to the bugs. Taking them away now would be like you taking away an old friend. Please don't :D

cmd8
13-11-2017, 19:39
Sms, if you want to delay the patch, that would be fine. as long as you make it work!

Turbo-Noob
13-11-2017, 19:51
Yes, you can do a patch until such time as the last player leaves this game. Online has fallen in comparison with some old simulators.

Raklodder
13-11-2017, 19:55
I know the memes are a bit of fun to help pass the time, but you don't have to patronize us.

Maurice Boeschen
13-11-2017, 21:14
I think patch will come tomorrow.
Today there was a new build in the stagingtest branch at 1:48pm and now just 1 hour ago there was a new build released in the testing branch (last time this happened was the day the Patch 2 got released to the public branch!)

V3nom
13-11-2017, 21:17
Last time what happened? ^^

Timmy L
13-11-2017, 21:21
I know the memes are a bit of fun to help pass the time, but you don't have to patronize us.

Yes we do.
And yes we should..

Taking the wee out of people that moan about anything and everything, is almost an Olympic sport..
If fact, every time someone starts yet another thread about, a 'patch', people should start taking the wee...
Relentlessly.

'Pass the time..'

Try playing a video game..
You do play games, do you?

'The lack of communication is unforgivable.'

From who to who?
Your boyfriend/girlfriend?
You did not say...
Must be heart-breaking for you..
Bless.

Have you considered that there is nothing to tell you..
Have you considered that they may wish to surprise you..

'Unforgivable'...
This is a video game, get a grip...
The USA being at war for around 16 years, is 'Unforgivable'...
Grow up.
THIS IS A VIDEO GAME.

A toy.
You may like to call it a 'sim', yet it is still a toy.
A video game is a toy, played by big people and little people..

Try smiling.
You may just enjoy it..

Then again...x

Maurice Boeschen
13-11-2017, 21:25
Last time what happened? ^^

the last time a build was published in the testing branch 32 days ago was also the last time a new public build was released (2 hours after it was released in the testing branch).. So one hour ago a new build was published in the testing branch.. Because its late now there wont be a patch in the public branch today so my bet would be tomorrow is THE day :-)

jimortality
13-11-2017, 21:28
Yes we do.
And yes we should..

Taking the wee out of people that moan about anything and everything, is almost an Olympic sport..
If fact, every time someone starts yet another thread about, a 'patch', people should start taking the wee...
Relentlessly.

'Pass the time..'

Try playing a video game..
You do play games, do you?

'The lack of communication is unforgivable.'

From who to who?
Your boyfriend/girlfriend?
You did not say...
Must be heart-breaking for you..
Bless.

Have you considered that there is nothing to tell you..
Have you considered that they may wish to surprise you..

'Unforgivable'...
This is a video game, get a grip...
The USA being at war for around 16 years, is 'Unforgivable'...
Grow up.
THIS IS A VIDEO GAME.

A toy.
You may like to call it a 'sim', yet it is still a toy.
A video game is a toy, played by big people and little people..

Try smiling.
You may just enjoy it..

Then again...x

Lol

V3nom
13-11-2017, 21:33
Wow, thanks for the explanation. So there is a hierarchy: staging test branch, testing branch and then the public.
Is this correct? :)

mister dog
13-11-2017, 21:37
Last one was on a Tuesday too and it's been exactly a month if I'm not mistaken so that makes me hopeful.
Can't wait to read every damn line of those patch notes!

Keena
13-11-2017, 21:51
Last one was on a Tuesday too and it's been exactly a month if I'm not mistaken so that makes me hopeful.
Can't wait to read every damn line of those patch notes!

Same, and I'm nowhere near my pc at the moment.. in fact I'm looking forward to reading them before firing that bad boy back up..

mister dog
13-11-2017, 21:52
Same, and I'm nowhere near my pc at the moment.. in fact I'm looking forward to reading them before firing that bad boy back up..
I feel a long toilet break coming up at the office once they are posted :p

jimortality
13-11-2017, 21:53
Last one was on a Tuesday too and it's been exactly a month if I'm not mistaken so that makes me hopeful.
Can't wait to read every damn line of those patch notes!

Last one was on a Wednesday and it will be 5 weeks this Wednesday since the last patch

mister dog
13-11-2017, 21:57
Last one was on a Wednesday and it will be 5 weeks this Wednesday since the last patch
Party pooper :)

jimortality
13-11-2017, 22:13
Party pooper :)

lol

MaXyM
13-11-2017, 22:16
Steam is down. No patch.

iamisti
14-11-2017, 05:30
its gonna happen soon :)

ATSS
14-11-2017, 06:39
We can hope.:rolleyes:

H1LLIER
14-11-2017, 07:18
This thread should be made into a movie. It's got it all - suspense, hope, despair, comedy and irony.

V3nom
14-11-2017, 07:25
You forgot the cliffhanger!

Cladandadum
14-11-2017, 07:26
This thread should be made into a movie. It's got it all - suspense, hope, despair, comedy and irony.

Haha. Although, having said that, nothing compared to the ****storm around the star wars loot crate saga, me thinks.....

Olijke Poffer
14-11-2017, 07:29
I hope SMS find this thread as amusing as we all do..

TheBaldReverend
14-11-2017, 07:37
I hope SMS find this thread as amusing as we all do..

They're laughing all the way to the bank.

H1LLIER
14-11-2017, 07:51
Haha. Although, having said that, nothing compared to the ****storm around the star wars loot crate saga, me thinks.....

Yeah that's a mess. The EA response on Reddit has over 600k downvotes...

V3nom
14-11-2017, 08:08
Angry joe did a rant video on his channel about the loot crates. The funny thing is, some time later a dice developer approached angry joe to make video response and discuss the loot crates with him on angry joe's channel. Long story short, in the video you can basically see the dice developer lying to joe's face for half an hour.. :D

Dresden
14-11-2017, 08:32
Yeah that's a mess. The EA response on Reddit has over 600k downvotes...

You have to love this line-


Our team will continue to make changes and monitor community feedback and update everyone as soon and as often as we can.

Where have I heard that before?

632k down votes. Damn! Loot crates are so bad for the future of gaming...

V3nom
14-11-2017, 08:39
Even NFS Payback has cars and lootcrates. Come on FFS cards to upgrade hte cars in a racing game?

TheBaldReverend
14-11-2017, 08:55
At what time did the last patch drop?

Cladandadum
14-11-2017, 08:57
At what time did the last patch drop?

Have you got a feeling?

Maurice Boeschen
14-11-2017, 08:58
At what time did the last patch drop?

5:13 pm UTC

TheBaldReverend
14-11-2017, 08:59
Have you got a feeling?

The only feeling I've got is that I need to take a dump.

Oh, and that the patch is coming today.

Jaood
14-11-2017, 08:59
What everyone thinks: gib gib gib
I have my fingers crossed as i have free time til next monday.. So patch next week or later confirmed :p

Renoldo1990
14-11-2017, 09:23
The last patches all turned up at around 11:00 - 11:10 (CET). This time is up already.
So, probably no patch today. Maybe tomorrow.

ShimonART
14-11-2017, 09:29
testing SMS build testing, publish here first. 2281137 about 13 hours ago
stagingtest Staging Branch Builds With Full Exes 2279925 about 21 hours ago

183708 Project CARS 2 Deluxe Edition Store or CD Key about 12 hours ago
70550 Project CARS 2 Store or CD Key about 12 hours ago

Mrocz
14-11-2017, 09:32
Even NFS Payback has cars and lootcrates. Come on FFS cards to upgrade hte cars in a racing game?

With new trends on market.

Project Cars 2 Patch 1.3 will drop in a Loot Crate.

Maurice Boeschen
14-11-2017, 09:34
The last patches all turned up at around 11:00 - 11:10 (CET). This time is up already.
So, probably no patch today. Maybe tomorrow.

uhm thats not true.
As you can see in the SteamDB last public patch came on 12.10.2017 at 17:13:07 UTC which would be 18:13:07 CET

jimortality
14-11-2017, 09:44
Might be another month.

Renoldo1990
14-11-2017, 09:47
Sorry, I should have added "on PS4" to my posting.
The patches for PS4 usually run out forenoon. I never got a Patch for PS4 in the afternoon or in the evenings for any game. So I guess this is a Sony related thing.

The last patch came out at around 11:45 as you can also see at the time stamp of the release-note-Thread here: http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?55006-Project-CARS-2-PS4-Patch-2-0-Release-notes

The pcars 1-patches also came at around this time.

Trooper117
14-11-2017, 09:56
This thread should be made into a movie. It's got it all - suspense, hope, despair, comedy and irony.

We (gamers) can be a pathetic lot at times...

Konan
14-11-2017, 09:58
...at times?...LOL

GTsimms
14-11-2017, 10:00
Patch!!! Only, when it's ready.

FInroDz
14-11-2017, 10:15
If you're lost you can look--and you will find Ian
Patch after patch
If you fall he will catch you--He will be waiting
Patch after patch

Gix916
14-11-2017, 10:26
why don't Microsoft/Sony have some kind of "Trusted Developer" list so that patches don't need to spend so long (or even go to) MS/Sony for approval.

Bealdor
14-11-2017, 10:30
why don't Microsoft/Sony have some kind of "Trusted Developer" list so that patches don't need to spend so long (or even go to) MS/Sony for approval.

They have: http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?56866-NEW-patch-out-(Xbox-One-X-Enhancements-ONLY)&p=1419507&viewfull=1#post1419507

Olijke Poffer
14-11-2017, 10:33
this thread gets funnier every hour.... it can't be real... 22 pages about guessing when the patch will be released. how bizarre..

JasonB
14-11-2017, 11:03
this thread gets funnier every hour.... it can't be real... 22 pages about guessing when the patch will be released. how bizarre..

And that's just this thread alone.

Bealdor
14-11-2017, 11:26
And that's just this thread alone.

Nah, I merged at least two other threads with this one. ;)

MaXyM
14-11-2017, 11:57
Did you notice, uncommon definition of the 'soon' world? Mr. Bell made use of this world more than 2 weeks ago.
Don't know what does it mean for you. Bot for me 'soon' defines way more shorter timespan.
Let's imagine, your wife asks you for getting rid of garbage, and you make a 'soon' promise which turns into 2 weeks.

Raklodder
14-11-2017, 11:57
Would you mind giving us a time frame for the next patch? Later this week, next week or early December?

TheBaldReverend
14-11-2017, 11:58
Would you mind giving us a time frame for the next patch? Later this week, next week or early December?

Between now and the heat death of the universe, HTH.

Konan
14-11-2017, 11:59
Did you notice, uncommon definition of the 'soon' world? Mr. Bell made use of this world more than 2 weeks ago.
Don't know what does it mean for you. Bot for me 'soon' defines way more shorter timespan.
Let's imagine, your wife asks you for getting rid of garbage, and you make a 'soon' promise which turns into 2 weeks.


I trained my wife to take out the garbage herself...:p


(Actually i'm at work when it has to be put out...)

Raklodder
14-11-2017, 12:02
Between now and the heat death of the universe, HTH.
No, I'm sorry, but it's not funny anymore, it was acceptable two weeks ago, now it's just annoying.

Maurice Boeschen
14-11-2017, 12:03
Did you notice, uncommon definition of the 'soon' world? Mr. Bell made use of this world more than 2 weeks ago.
Don't know what does it mean for you. Bot for me 'soon' defines way more shorter timespan.
Let's imagine, your wife asks you for getting rid of garbage, and you make a 'soon' promise which turns into 2 weeks.

Soon is the worst word in the SimRacing industry and I absolutely hate it.. Almost 3 weeks ago Ian said patch will come soon with 150+ improvements and fixes. If that's the definition of soon this word should be forbidden because 3 weeks is not soon.

iggy
14-11-2017, 12:07
Three weeks is sooner than 3 months.

Keena
14-11-2017, 12:09
Take your pick ;)

https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=hp&ei=vuoKWviiCIHUmAH2zLLoCw&q=soon+definition&oq=soon+de&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.0.0l5.1927.5159.0.6168.10.9.0.4.4.0.135.855.0j7.7.0....0...1.1j4.64.mobile-gws-hp..2.8.641.3..35i39k1j0i131k1j0i10k1.195.I3P5ft1iusk

Alywan
14-11-2017, 12:11
I swear if i get to play 3.0 by the end of today, i'm going to sacrifice a goat!

I'm sorry guys for delaying your patch. Probably someone from SMS saw this post, and decided to let the goat live longer :(

Konan
14-11-2017, 12:12
Soon is the worst word in the SimRacing industry and I absolutely hate it.. Almost 3 weeks ago Ian said patch will come soon with 150+ improvements and fixes. If that's the definition of soon this word should be forbidden because 3 weeks is not soon.

Well you of all people should know what kind off issues can pop up in developing/patching a game...no offence

JasonB
14-11-2017, 12:12
Did you notice, uncommon definition of the 'soon' world? Mr. Bell made use of this world more than 2 weeks ago.
Don't know what does it mean for you. Bot for me 'soon' defines way more shorter timespan.
Let's imagine, your wife asks you for getting rid of garbage, and you make a 'soon' promise which turns into 2 weeks.

Did you notice that you just projected your definition of soon onto everyone else? "Soon" depends heavily upon context. If the sun was going to crash into the earth 20 years from now, most of us would consider that extremely bloody soon, wouldn't we.


Would you mind giving us a time frame for the next patch? Later this week, next week or early December?

Read the thread. Not happening. Be patient.

Biddrace
14-11-2017, 12:12
I think they want a virgin;)

banner77amc
14-11-2017, 12:13
I'm sorry guys for delaying your patch. Probably someone from SMS saw this post, and decided to let the goat live longer :(

It seems baaaaad that goat sacrifice is being spoken of regarding a patch.

Maurice Boeschen
14-11-2017, 12:14
Well you of all people should know what kind off issues can pop up in developing/patching a game...no offence

Yes of course, it's just the word soon which I absolutely dont like.
Would be better to communicate "when it's ready" instead of soon because soon implements a timeframe sooner than later (in my definition within one week).

Konan
14-11-2017, 12:17
Yes of course, it's just the word soon which I absolutely dont like.
Would be better to communicate "when it's ready" instead of soon because soon implements a timeframe sooner than later (in my definition within one week).

It doesn't really matter what we say really...we already tried all possible ways and people still keep asking "when"

Gix916
14-11-2017, 12:17
I work for a software company that produces business software that companies use everyday. There are bugs in this software that impact peoples businesses but they don't scream and shout and demand a patch. We have reasonable discussions with them and they wait for us to fix it.

This is only a game, one of many games. If this one is not working for you as you want it, play a different one.

JasonB
14-11-2017, 12:18
No, I'm sorry, but it's not funny anymore, it was acceptable two weeks ago, now it's just annoying.

Not as annoying as all of the impatient "soon? ETA? what's in it? ETA? soon? ETA?" posts.

Jesus Christ.

Fight-Test
14-11-2017, 12:19
Not as annoying as all of the impatient "soon? ETA? what's in it? ETA? soon? ETA?" posts.

Jesus Christ.

From the same people over and over.

JasonB
14-11-2017, 12:20
Yes of course, it's just the word soon which I absolutely dont like.
Would be better to communicate "when it's ready" instead of soon because soon implements a timeframe sooner than later (in my definition within one week).

The irony here is that people are now throwing Bell's use of the word "soon" right back in his face (unjustifiably, IMO), which is PRECISELY WHY DEVS HATE GIVING ANY SORT OF ETA!!! It just bites you in the ass, because people hear what they want to hear.

Zaskarspants
14-11-2017, 12:21
If it was my forum I would close all these threads asking about patches. They attract too many moaners.

Raklodder
14-11-2017, 12:21
I don't fancy having to walk on eggshells every time I ask for a scrap of information, but okay, I will stop asking for an ETA and put the game on hold.

JasonB
14-11-2017, 12:22
I work for a software company that produces business software that companies use everyday. There are bugs in this software that impact peoples businesses but they don't scream and shout and demand a patch. We have reasonable discussions with them and they wait for us to fix it.

This is only a game, one of many games. If this one is not working for you as you want it, play a different one.

THIS.

I'm in the same boat, and I've done game dev, too. My biggest project at the moment is responsible for directing the work/actions of 80 sales people on a daily basis. In other words, a BOATLOAD of money and resources on the line. No one whines like this, though.

You'd think the future of the universe was riding on this patch :rolleyes:

JasonB
14-11-2017, 12:24
I don't fancy having to walk on eggshells every time I ask for a scrap of information, but okay, I will stop asking for an ETA and put the game on hold.

There's a difference between walking on eggshells and being patient. It's a matter of having perspective. It's a video game. They're working on a patch. It's coming SOON. Relax. Have a Coke and a smile.

Konan
14-11-2017, 12:30
If it was my forum I would close all these threads asking about patches. They attract too many moaners.

No because then we would have people complaining why those threads were closed...

JasonB
14-11-2017, 12:34
No because then we would have people complaining why those threads were closed...

You, sir, have no sense of adventure :cool:

mister dog
14-11-2017, 12:35
I think they want a virgin;)
Good! Enough virgins playing video games. Who's taking one for the team? Forever grateful https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/i.tvforum.co.uk/img/emoticons-2012/thumb-up.png.

Invincible
14-11-2017, 12:41
I'm sorry guys for delaying your patch. Probably someone from SMS saw this post, and decided to let the goat live longer :(

SMS is led by a Wookie, so I'd bet they won't support animal sacrifices :p

Konan
14-11-2017, 12:46
You, sir, have no sense of adventure :cool:

Moderating this forum is adventurous enough...:p
Plenty of action all day long :rolleyes:

Sankyo
14-11-2017, 12:51
SMS is led by a Wookie, so I'd bet they won't support animal sacrifices :p
Which opens an interesting discussion. Is a Wookie an animal?

JasonB
14-11-2017, 12:54
See, now THIS is a productive discussion!

Invincible
14-11-2017, 12:56
Which opens an interesting discussion. Is a Wookie an animal?

Good question. But I think as soon as you get in contact with extraterrestrial species, you'll have to re-define the definition of an animal anyway. To me, a Wookie wouldn't be an animal because it's a technologically advanced and intelligent species.

PeakyBriar
14-11-2017, 12:57
Here's a funny story...

Guy reads a thread dedicated to asking when a patch is ready. Feels the need to complain about people asking when the patch will be ready....

Well, OK, fair enough, its not funny, but it is kinda strange. A bit like going to a rock concert, and complaining about having to listen to rock music.

There are plenty of other threads to read/post in.

JasonB
14-11-2017, 13:08
Here's a funny story...

Guy reads a thread dedicated to asking when a patch is ready. Feels the need to complain about people asking when the patch will be ready....

Well, OK, fair enough, its not funny, but it is kinda strange. A bit like going to a rock concert, and complaining about having to listen to rock music.

There are plenty of other threads to read/post in.

I think complaining about people sh*tt*ng all over the forum with the same drivel over and over is fair game, don't you? Bear in mind this thread wasn't always just one thread, and some of us aren't stricken with a terminal case of entitlement.

The proof is in the pudding, anyway. Ian Bell dared to utter the words "soon" two weeks ago, and now people want to hang him by those words, because "soon" meant something different to them. So here we are, people with pitchforks demanding another ETA, whilst choking him with first one.