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Mariangello
17-11-2017, 18:33
Hello friends, if you want, share experience about your racing hell...:p

O-NO
17-11-2017, 18:59
To be honest there's quite a few tracks I stay away from as I just don't get on with them.

John Hargreaves
17-11-2017, 19:08
Knockhill - too bumpy :(

Kitt
17-11-2017, 20:32
Think Knockhill is one of my favs along with Le mans 24hr [just love that long straight] Silverstone is my hardest track by far, been racing on it for years on different games and on a pad or wheel I just can't get the hang of it

Savoy49
17-11-2017, 20:40
Silverstone is my hardest track by far, been racing on it for years on different games and on a pad or wheel I just can't get the hang of it


I agree with Kitt, Silverstone. It is so flat and wide open that I have trouble picking up reference points I can't ever seem to get into a rhythm. Frankly, i'm not sure what the big deal about that circuit is... IMO the UK has way better circuits than that.

Mariangello
17-11-2017, 20:40
For me all kart tracks because they have the zig-zag turns which I can not manage properly :saturn:

WGIstation6a
17-11-2017, 21:12
For some reason it’s Nurburgring gp for me. I always feel like I’m going to be able to hold my own. Until I actually race other humans, and I’m a second or two off the pace. I just can’t find that time.

Mariangello
17-11-2017, 21:18
For some reason it’s Nurburgring gp for me. I always feel like I’m going to be able to hold my own. Until I actually race other humans, and I’m a second or two off the pace. I just can’t find that time.

My favourite track :) The first turn is tricky

Jezza819
17-11-2017, 21:24
Algarve. Some of the apexes are right after you top a hill and I'm having trouble judging where to brake and turn in.

m00lean
17-11-2017, 21:24
Silverstone is my hardest track by far, been racing on it for years on different games and on a pad or wheel I just can't get the hang of it

It is so flat and wide open that I have trouble picking up reference points I can't ever seem to get into a rhythm.
Exactly. First time I tried racing on silverstone I was completely lost. After that I really tried to find a pace, but I couldn't. Since then I just stay away from that track.


For some reason it’s Nurburgring gp for me. I always feel like I’m going to be able to hold my own. Until I actually race other humans, and I’m a second or two off the pace. I just can’t find that time.
That's Laguna Seca for me. I don't know where people are finding 1-2 seconds more on that track.

But hey - I completely rock the Nordschleife <3

Angst1974
17-11-2017, 21:34
Nurburgring Nordschleife too long for me to keep track of where I am ;)

I started playing racing games with PC1 , I have run it it AC , and now PC2 . I just crash way too many times to get a clean lap , and each lap takes forever .

mister dog
17-11-2017, 21:41
I agree with Kitt, Silverstone. It is so flat and wide open that I have trouble picking up reference points I can't ever seem to get into a rhythm. Frankly, i'm not sure what the big deal about that circuit is... IMO the UK has way better circuits than that.
It's all about the facilities, apart from Copse and Becketts I find the circuit pretty bland. Most cool UK tracks are quite improvised and not glamorous enough for F1's or WEC sadly :p

And I love the fact they are almost all represented in PC2 too :cool: (we need Thruxton!).

Kitt
17-11-2017, 21:53
yeah love how they've included some great british tracks that you hardly ever see on other games

Miker
17-11-2017, 22:29
Silverstone is a great track in fast high downforce cars....sucks in anything else.

I struggle more that usual at Nurburgring gp, BRNO and Bathurst...

hkraft300
17-11-2017, 22:30
I love Algarve.
Sugo is also an epic addition to this game and a new discovery for me. Both are amazing.

I'm struggling at COTA because I hate it. What a disgusting mess that place is.
No wonder cota struggles for attendance. It sucks.

O-NO
17-11-2017, 22:43
One I want to like is Brands Hatch as I enjoyed it on another game but it's not happening for me in PC2.

MrA2theK
18-11-2017, 00:04
The Green Hell! So many turns to memorise. Braking points, entry speeds etc etc, ya gotta be on it 100% for the whole lap
For those reasons I can love it and hate it at the same time hahaha

Raklodder
18-11-2017, 01:00
The ones that hasn't been laser scanned, because you can't feel the road the same way.

ECAR_Tracks
18-11-2017, 01:04
I love Algarve.
Sugo is also an epic addition to this game and a new discovery for me. Both are amazing.

I'm struggling at COTA because I hate it. What a disgusting mess that place is.
No wonder cota struggles for attendance. It sucks.

Name a single Tilke track which doesn't suck. I can't.

hkraft300
18-11-2017, 01:28
Name a single Tilke track which doesn't suck. I can't.

Why am I not surprised to hear it's a Tilke :rolleyes:
It just squiggles on. For no reason.
It has glimpses of greatness.
It could've been a wonderful track.
But... yuck...

davidt33
18-11-2017, 02:04
CODA. I call it the devil track.

biggbaddwolf
18-11-2017, 02:23
The one I despise the most is Azure.. :mad:

Brado23
18-11-2017, 03:11
I can never get used to turn 1 at Zolder. Always feels so uncomfortable and weird to me for some reason. The rest of the track isn't bad though.

Eric Everfast
18-11-2017, 07:14
I actually quite like COTA. It's a challenging track with a lot of variation; the esses, fast flowing corners, hairpins, elevation changes and a long straight.

Anybody else find Cadwell Park deceivingly tricky? The BAC Mono special event at that track was a tough one.

Mariangello
18-11-2017, 07:23
I actually quite like COTA. It's a challenging track with a lot of variation; the esses, fast flowing corners, hairpins, elevation changes and a long straight.

Anybody else find Cadwell Park deceivingly tricky? The BAC Mono special event at that track was a tough one.

I like Cadwell Park, with Group C car, I could not race the whole track on full throttle ;)

MaximusN
18-11-2017, 07:24
Name a single Tilke track which doesn't suck. I can't.
I actually like COTA, and Turkey was a very nice track too. Absolutely love that track! And Sepang was also designed by Tilke, which is pretty nice too if you ask me...

Eric Everfast
18-11-2017, 07:27
I like Cadwell Park, with Group C car, I could not race the whole track on full throttle ;)

Now there's one hell of a track/car combo lol. I'll make it a point to try that sometime soon.

O-NO
18-11-2017, 08:49
The one I despise the most is Azure.. :mad:

I can not race that one and keep away from it.


I can never get used to turn 1 at Zolder. Always feels so uncomfortable and weird to me for some reason. The rest of the track isn't bad though.

Yes I find that corner a tricky one so easy to drift out wide but like you say rest of the tracks not too bad.

snakehands
18-11-2017, 08:53
Hello friends, if you want, share experience about your racing hell...:p

I don't like silverstone, especially the international - too flat.

Cladandadum
18-11-2017, 11:59
Algarve. Some of the apexes are right after you top a hill and I'm having trouble judging where to brake and turn in.

Same for me. I'm too inconsistent on the apex's but keep trying to get better. I also struggle on silverstone, perhaps because I find the track a little too bland and without points of interest. That said, i have spent more time on silverstone thus far, predominately due to career mode.

khems17
18-11-2017, 12:27
Algarve. I cant comprehend the flow of the track for some strange reason. It just does not compute. :D

snakehands
18-11-2017, 12:48
Algarve. I cant comprehend the flow of the track for some strange reason. It just does not compute. :D

It's one hell of a track in VR.

weerufus
18-11-2017, 12:57
i know its hugely popular for testing but i really despise Catalunya, not so much that its particularly hard its just i don't like it....in game or real life

TexasTyme214
18-11-2017, 13:04
Spa Historic is pretty difficult for me. I always feel like I can go faster right up until I crash.

LUN4T1C
18-11-2017, 15:03
Algarve. Some of the apexes are right after you top a hill and I'm having trouble judging where to brake and turn in.

I get that I also hate tracks with a lot of blind corners. I want to see the apex.. But when you do get that perfect run it is more satisfying than getting a good time at something like Hockenheim..

beatrunner
18-11-2017, 15:15
the tracks i like least are all the italian ones...crashtime everytime i hit them

Fanapryde
18-11-2017, 15:32
+1 vote for Algarve.
I avoid it as much as I can. Never liked it, never will.

HockeyNick30
18-11-2017, 16:02
Brno. To me it's a boring layout, and I have trouble staying engaged the whole race. It's not difficult by any means, just not enjoyful in my opinion. Heap Sonoma on that pile too.

iggy
18-11-2017, 16:30
Silverstone, because it all looks the same.

snakehands
18-11-2017, 17:20
Silverstone, because it all looks the same.


The National and the classic are ok, but the other two!

John Hargreaves
18-11-2017, 18:03
Brno. To me it's a boring layout, and I have trouble staying engaged the whole race. It's not difficult by any means, just not enjoyful in my opinion. Heap Sonoma on that pile too.

It's my go to track for drifting, plenty of nice sweeping corners.

PostBox981
18-11-2017, 19:43
There´s more than one track I can´t manage.

Today I did some testing at Rouen les Essarts. What a tricky one! There´s a lot of trail braking and as soon as you hit the grass you´ll spin off into the green, usually ruining your car as there is not much room for a nice spin.

Put Bathurst to the list. Another one where I can barely manage three clean laps in a row.

Sonoma with all its hills and blind apexes.

There ´s a few more the longer I think about it. Can´t decide on a single "favourite".

Minimitch
18-11-2017, 19:48
Oscherslieben. That 1st corner is horrific

Beastie
18-11-2017, 21:22
Nurburgring GP. Turns 2, 3 and 4 are like a skid pan, turn 9 is like a white knuckle ride.

Silverstone in the wet. The AI can take Copse flat out- I have to drop two gears. Also if it really chucks it down the puddles really cause a problem.

WvAllwheelDrive
18-11-2017, 22:18
Daytona, is the infield made out of melted butter covered in grease.

Silverstone in wonderful in a high downforce cars. Fast and flowing, when you put in good laps there you know you are doing something right.

ttb57
18-11-2017, 22:24
This may be strange to some but for me right now it's Daytona Oval. Not the track itself but trying to find the last few hundredths. It's so close at the top. Took all day yesterday to gain .038s and still .041 off and cannot find it....:livid:

hkraft300
18-11-2017, 23:03
Took all day yesterday to gain .038s and still .041 off and cannot find it....:livid:

That's a disease.

Hint: increase tire pressure.

Tank621
18-11-2017, 23:18
For some reason I've always struggled with Ruapuna, I can never get the braking points right
Oulton park I use to struggle with bit I think I'm getting the hang of it now
The Historics particularly Rouen, Spa and Monza I can't get right at all

Strangely the 2 tracks which I think would be most challenging IRL (Nordschiefe and Bathurst) I'm feeling pretty comfortable at, I remember running the 72D at Bathurst in the 1st game and it was one of my favourite combos. Nords I often just run solo laps at whilst listening to a podcast or something, I think I'm getting the hang of it

ttb57
18-11-2017, 23:22
That's a disease.

Hint: increase tire pressure.

Yeah, I've tried raising pressures a number of times. I think I'm just about as quick as I can get. Maybe one more day trying...;)

cxMilk
19-11-2017, 01:04
Immediately, I'd say Nurbs GP, but I don't think I've run that track in pCars2 yet. Doubt it's going to change my mind though. The Mercedes Arena just suuuuuucks. I can't figure out those four corners for the life of me. In fact, this track has been my Achilles' heel in every racing game it's ever appeared in save Formula 1 on the original PlayStation only because it predated the Mercedes Arena.

Of those tracks I have run in pCars2, and putting aside the easy target of Sonoma, I'd say Algarve. Those two blind slow corners on the backside of the track will be the death of me. I just cannot seem to find a braking point for either corner and then suddenly there they are. After running laps for a couple of hours, I began to get the second blind corner down somewhat, but was well aware I was still losing beaucoup amounts of time there. The first one is just hopeless. The rest of the track though is alright, I suppose; nothing to write home about. But those two corners....

It surprised me Algarve was voted most popular track in the unofficial survey. When I saw that, I could only think that I must be overlooking something in this track. But, honestly, I just don't see it. To me, the track feels very samey, or repetitive throughout.

Tabeesh
19-11-2017, 03:39
Cadwell Park for sure, I always manage to f*** up the last four turns somehow.
Ruapuna Park is also up there

BrainsBush
19-11-2017, 04:46
Brands Hatch and then especially first corner Paddock and last one Clarke. Did a lot of challenges on that track and often too fast with some nice 360's as a result or being too slow/cautious.

Konan
19-11-2017, 04:48
Cadwell Park for sure, I always manage to f*** up the last four turns somehow.
Ruapuna Park is also up there

Watch the language please...PEGI 3 and all...

ttb57
19-11-2017, 05:01
The quote @ #52 didn't get edited...

BrainsBush
19-11-2017, 05:35
pls explain

ttb57
19-11-2017, 05:41
Lol, the post got deleted

Krambolage
19-11-2017, 06:03
The one I despise the most is Azure.. :mad:

I feel ya, I loathe Azure GP !
Reasons :
I have never figured out braking points for every single turns (massenet turn apart), in any racing game I ever played.
The hairpin, Sainte Devote and the chicane kill me every time
This circuit just beats the hell out of me.

You tell me "let's have fun in azure gp", well I'd reply "you'll meet me on the green hell !" ^_^
No kidding, I find the ring muuuch more fun, and easier !!

breyzipp
19-11-2017, 06:17
Hardest track in the game for me is undoubtedly the Horse Thief Mile at Willow Springs, its sharp hairpin turns on very steep elevations are difficult to do right. And doing it right is heavily dependent on the car class as well, if you race this track on a very low power car then any mistakes on the hairpin corners will be payed in double on the slow uphill sections afterwards since these cars just don't have the power to do those climbs after a bad hairpin turn. And if you do it in a car class way above the optimal target then you will have a lot of problems with all the fast zig-zag hairpins and the racing - if not impossible - is just not fun. The track in a whole is also my least favorite one in PCARS 2 (not counting on kart tracks since they don't score high either).

The Horse Thief mile for me seems to work best in moderately fast cars, something like the fastest hot hatches out there for road cars and probably up to GT4 for race cars.

I have to add the Nordschleife was one of my trouble tracks as well but thanks to the GT:Sport circuit challenges (where they teach you section by section how to do it right) has helped me tremendously in becoming better at this track and memorizing it. At least for hot lapping that is, for racing in fast paced cars it still is not my thing since the track is too narrow and windy for easy overtaking. I guess against predictable AI it's okay but for multiplayer where players also defend it's just not my thing.
Also some corners at Brands Hatch and Big Willow I previously knew I didn't take very optimal have been improved by these circuit challenges in GT:Sport.

I think in general it all comes down to proper track memorization and knowing the limits of car you race in. With enough repetition and practice, everyone will easily improve on their worse tracks, especially with the ability to load ghosts from other players for hot lapping.

For the point to point stages in PCARS 2 (California Highway & Azure Coast) I barely raced there in PCARS 1 and I didn't even touch them in PCARS 2. These tracks are very unknown for me apart from the few cruises through it 1-2 years ago in PCARS 1. I don't like them for races but I do enjoy having them in the game for cruising, hot lapping or just taking pretty pictures. I actually hope for PCARS 3 they will add another one but from another continent. We already have a fabulous point to point track from the USA and Europe now, I'd love to see one from Asia, Africa or South America added in the next game.

John Hargreaves
19-11-2017, 11:41
Think Knockhill is one of my favs along with Le mans 24hr [just love that long straight] Silverstone is my hardest track by far, been racing on it for years on different games and on a pad or wheel I just can't get the hang of it

It's really interesting reading this thread how many times one guys favourite is another ones worst. I shall give Knockhill some love.

MaximusN
19-11-2017, 12:35
For the point to point stages in PCARS 2 (California Highway & Azure Coast) I barely raced there in PCARS 1 and I didn't even touch them in PCARS 2. These tracks are very unknown for me apart from the few cruises through it 1-2 years ago in PCARS 1. I don't like them for races but I do enjoy having them in the game for cruising, hot lapping or just taking pretty pictures. I actually hope for PCARS 3 they will add another one but from another continent. We already have a fabulous point to point track from the USA and Europe now, I'd love to see one from Asia, Africa or South America added in the next game.

I love these kind of tracks. And I for one hate that you learn them eventually. I'd love to be able to unlearn the Nordschleife and do it all over again! It's more about knowing the car and being able to pace yourself then getting to know the intricate details of a car track combo, which after years and years and years of just that is frankly starting to bore me. It's kind of like rallying without the co-driver but against other cars, driving on pure instincts. It's such a rush :) It's why I like Forza Horizon 3, the physics are somekind of okay, but the excitement of getting an unknown corner right is just so satisfying...

JasonB
19-11-2017, 13:04
Count me in for Silverstone. It's just boring and lacks flow IMO, and to be honest, I'm usually off the pace there, too. I've experienced that track in more games/sims than I can count, and I've never really taken to it.

John Hargreaves
19-11-2017, 13:17
A few years back, I drove round the Silverstone GP track in my MkII Ford Escort at Ford Fair. I drove 3.5 hrs there in boiling August heat, had 25mins track time round the track, and drove 3.5hrs back home again. Not sure how the old dog managed it without overheating or breaking down, as many did that day, but I have good memories of the occasion.
My slot was in the classic ford session, and I was surrounded by some very loud and fast Cosworth powered machinery zipping by on all sides, as well as the race school Lotus Exiges. Great experience though, I was equally nervous and excited waiting in the pit lane only a few weeks after the British GP had been there. Could hardly believe I was out there on the actual track. Ever since I've always had a soft spot for Silverstone, In PC2 I can even see the exact spot where I parked at the side of the track just by the BRDC building.

PostBox981
19-11-2017, 17:18
I love these kind of tracks. And I for one hate that you learn them eventually. I'd love to be able to unlearn the Nordschleife and do it all over again! It's more about knowing the car and being able to pace yourself then getting to know the intricate details of a car track combo, which after years and years and years of just that is frankly starting to bore me. It's kind of like rallying without the co-driver but against other cars, driving on pure instincts. It's such a rush :) It's why I like Forza Horizon 3, the physics are somekind of okay, but the excitement of getting an unknown corner right is just so satisfying...

Personal preferences couldn´t be more different. I wholeheartedly hate the first few laps out on an unknown track as I tend to crash multiple times, underestimating every second corner. ;)

MaximusN
19-11-2017, 17:26
Personal preferences couldn´t be more different. I wholeheartedly hate the first few laps out on an unknown track as I tend to crash multiple times, underestimating every second corner. ;)

I know it's not everybody's cup of tea. But the thing is I always drive within my limits the first few laps, so I hardly ever crash then. If it were real life, you'd also be more cautious. ;) I like that challenge so a new track is always an adventure and tracks that are 10s of kilometers long(and unknown) heaven.

It's cars that can catch me out if I don't know them.

Jbpd
19-11-2017, 17:29
I think I’m an ok racer norm can win in most cars / tracks at around 85 difficultly and do ok online rank is around 1550 but I always find racing at Laguna Seca some people can do times I can only dream of so don’t like it for that reason!

CassielLight
20-11-2017, 02:29
Sometimes it depends on the car and the conditions. Oulton Park is tolerable in a GT-class, but good luck keeping an LMP-class on the racing surface...and if it's raining, well, at least try to have fun.

Broadly speaking, I tend to have the most trouble with narrow tracks, and pastoral tracks (with the exception of Snetterton, for some reason). Brno may not be much to look at, but it's wide, fast, and politely technical. Azure is definitely an acquired taste, but once you figure out Mirabeau, the rest makes more sense. Sonoma is the same way: the opening hill climb is certainly a chore, but once you get that, the rest is pure experience.

The one track that flummoxes me, incongruously, is Red Bull Ring...but then, part of the problem for me, might just be that the sight of so much rolling Austrian countryside makes me want to start belting out a few tunes by Rodgers and Hammerstein...only with automotive lyrics.

"The hills are alive, with the roar of engines..."

msmith792
20-11-2017, 05:05
Silverstone. Flat and boring and it doesn’t flow well. No idea why this track is always included in every game

John Hargreaves
20-11-2017, 11:36
Knockhill - too bumpy :(


Think Knockhill is one of my favs along with Le mans 24hr [just love that long straight] Silverstone is my hardest track by far, been racing on it for years on different games and on a pad or wheel I just can't get the hang of it


It's really interesting reading this thread how many times one guys favourite is another ones worst. I shall give Knockhill some love.


Thanks to this thread I've spent a bit more time at Knockhill, and I am starting to see the appeal of it. That first few turns is quite the combination, really easy to unsettle the car but very satisfying to get it right. Had a few good races with the Clio cup in VR last night, so my opinion is changing.

LUN4T1C
20-11-2017, 11:49
Why am I not surprised to hear it's a Tilke :rolleyes:
It just squiggles on. For no reason.
It has glimpses of greatness.
It could've been a wonderful track.
But... yuck...

Well thats what you get if you Frankenstein corners of great circuits together. It lacks cohesion.

Jaood
20-11-2017, 11:59
I think its Abu Dhabi, but not sure im so bad at it that i forget the layout and name straight after leaving the session. :eek: Im sure there are 2-3 more of these but blank..
To defend COTA, it's an amazing circuit imho. Excellent flow throughout and many good overtaking areas. The only thing i don't like about it is the AA on the very prominent white lines especially in S1 in some conditions its no problem though.

LUN4T1C
20-11-2017, 12:06
Sometimes it depends on the car and the conditions. Oulton Park is tolerable in a GT-class, but good luck keeping an LMP-class on the racing surface...and if it's raining, well, at least try to have fun.

Broadly speaking, I tend to have the most trouble with narrow tracks, and pastoral tracks (with the exception of Snetterton, for some reason). Brno may not be much to look at, but it's wide, fast, and politely technical. Azure is definitely an acquired taste, but once you figure out Mirabeau, the rest makes more sense. Sonoma is the same way: the opening hill climb is certainly a chore, but once you get that, the rest is pure experience.

The one track that flummoxes me, incongruously, is Red Bull Ring...but then, part of the problem for me, might just be that the sight of so much rolling Austrian countryside makes me want to start belting out a few tunes by Rodgers and Hammerstein...only with automotive lyrics.

"The hills are alive, with the roar of engines..."

If you shift just at the right time, you can make your engine sing..

Nyreen
20-11-2017, 12:25
I also was a part of the "I just hate that track for no reason" group. As Cassie said with Côte d'Azur, you have to "figure out" some corners, or the whole track to be able to enjoy it, or at least acquire some competitiveness out of the track, for multiplayer's sake of not getting demolished because you thought everyone hated Cadwell Park as well.

I just took a car I like and drove on the tracks I did not like. Ford Escort on Cadwell Park, Audi R8-LMP on Algarve, ... And trained myself to get good at them. Once you're fast, there's no reason to hate the track. I did not particularly enjoy Red Bull Ring at first, but I've trained myself and yesterday, after 4.000km in the Ferrari, and somewhere between 2.5 and 3 thousand kilometers on RBR only, I finally went under the 1.29 barrier in quali. If you're good at something, master it.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/72682093/they-said-i-could-be-anything-so-i-became-a-god.jpg

I still hate Snetterton, but there's a reason. That third section is garbage, period.

Mrocz
20-11-2017, 13:36
Cadwell Park for me it is ridiculously narrow. Very hard to overtake.

I found also Circuit of Americas very hard... Maybe because it is first sim I played with this track and I don't know it? I find it confusing :D

Alfisti
20-11-2017, 15:24
For some reason it’s Nurburgring gp for me. I always feel like I’m going to be able to hold my own. Until I actually race other humans, and I’m a second or two off the pace. I just can’t find that time.

I'm quite fast there but the endless left turn, the really slow one, just kills me. I can never get he car to flick right onto the straight like the fast guy can, i always run wide. I must lose 7/10ths there alone.

Flat-6
20-11-2017, 16:07
Think Knockhill is one of my favs along with Le mans 24hr [just love that long straight] Silverstone is my hardest track by far, been racing on it for years on different games and on a pad or wheel I just can't get the hang of it


I like Silverstone. Its not my favorite track but I do like it.

Fuji at the moment is a track I loath to race. Turns 10, 11, 13, 15, and 16, are a real challenge for me at the moment.

Schnizz58
20-11-2017, 16:23
Hello friends, if you want, share experience about your racing hell...:p
Descending degree of difficulty:
Nords because I just have never put in the time to really learn it (if such a thing is even possible).
Monaco because it's claustrophobic.
Bathurst because of the downhill section. But I'm getting better.
Nurburgring GP because of the Mercedes Arena. I have a hard time finding a good line through turns 2, 3 & 4.
Brands Hatch because of Paddock Hill Bend and the section from Hawthorne to Stirling's.
[ETA] Snetterton because of the last turn. You have to approach it on a line that lets you brake without spinning but how to set the car up on that line is an utter mystery to me.

Alfisti
20-11-2017, 17:05
Brno. To me it's a boring layout, and I have trouble staying engaged the whole race. It's not difficult by any means, just not enjoyful in my opinion. Heap Sonoma on that pile too.

Brno is rubbish, bores me to tears.

Alfisti
20-11-2017, 17:08
I think I’m an ok racer norm can win in most cars / tracks at around 85 difficultly and do ok online rank is around 1550 but I always find racing at Laguna Seca some people can do times I can only dream of so don’t like it for that reason!

This. In most online races I am hovering around the podium but Laguna Seca I will run near last, every time, I am just dog slow there.

Alfisti
20-11-2017, 17:19
Immediately, I'd say Nurbs GP, but I don't think I've run that track in pCars2 yet. Doubt it's going to change my mind though. The Mercedes Arena just suuuuuucks. I can't figure out those four corners for the life of me. In fact, this track has been my Achilles' heel in every racing game it's ever appeared in save Formula 1 on the original PlayStation only because it predated the Mercedes Arena.

I am good with most of it, turn two stay way right and flick the car left, you can get on it pretty hard there. It's turn 3 that does you in, that left hander NEVER ends and the car doesn't want to turn right, it just doesn't, as stated above I lose a lot of time there to the really quick guys. I can do pretty regular 57's and 58's but some guys are doing low 56's which I cannot touch.

Schnizz58
20-11-2017, 20:20
It's turn 3 that does you in, that left hander NEVER ends and the car doesn't want to turn right, it just doesn't

Exactly this. Turn 2 caused me some grief until I figured out where to turn in and how much to brake (not much if at all). But 3 goes on forever and is understeery as hell.

Invincible
20-11-2017, 20:24
COTA.. it just sucks and I can't wrap my head around the flow of it. To me it is just a random sequence of weird corners.

hkraft300
20-11-2017, 20:40
COTA.. it just sucks and I can't wrap my head around the flow of it. To me it is just a random sequence of weird corners.

Some of the weird shaped hairpins, where the inside of the track narrows up, seems so artificial to provide a passing opportunity.

But it’s so sharp that you couldn’t divebomb there anyway.

And some parts are unnecessary wide And some narrow. Like they just squeezed more corners in for the sake of it. Does nothing to provide passing opportunity.

Nyreen
20-11-2017, 21:05
COTA is just one of these F1 tracks. Take a field, draw some white lines and concrete the inside.

GregFowler
20-11-2017, 21:14
Silverstone and Nurburgring (the short one)

gj_ozracer
20-11-2017, 21:33
Snetterton 200.
the last section bumps me off my braking line every time, sending me into a spin.
I just cant seem to get my car setup right cope with the bumps.

Mariangello
21-11-2017, 07:51
What about Monaco(Azure circuit)? It's so hard for me to fully concentrate on this track, thin streets with many curbs, but I would also like the historical version of this circuit.

hkraft300
21-11-2017, 08:41
Historic spa. You get lulled into thinking its a bit of an autobahn blast then BAM eat that armco, you amateur!

justonce68
21-11-2017, 08:56
COTA, i dont know the circuit that well, but if just feels dead, very little trackside apart from paint. boring boring boring

MaximusN
21-11-2017, 09:17
COTA, i dont know the circuit that well, but if just feels dead, very little trackside apart from paint. boring boring boring
Opinions differ apparently. :) I love it, especially the undulations. Could do with some more trackside objects, but that's not really what a track is about anyway. Like some say graphics are not important in a sim(don't agree), I say trackside objects only add to a track a lack of never detracts(for me anyway).

Tank621
21-11-2017, 09:38
Historic spa. You get lulled into thinking its a bit of an autobahn blast then BAM eat that armco, you amateur!

Yep, that's the track I'm trying to get my head around atm, there's one particularly awkward downhill right hand turn (I think in the 1st sector) that catches me out everytime

RomKnight
21-11-2017, 11:31
Any street circuit is usually hard for me. But I'm biased since I don't think racing should be done in the streets (Macau gave us another fine example again) which doesn't really motivates me to try them.

CassielLight
21-11-2017, 18:13
Any street circuit is usually hard for me. But I'm biased since I don't think racing should be done in the streets (Macau gave us another fine example again) which doesn't really motivates me to try them.

I like street tracks, but then again, I'm just up the road from where they run the St. Pete GP, so there's that. With a street track, I can usually pick out a building, or some other feature that doesn't move, and use it as a mark, in any conditions. On a turn that's out in the middle of nowhere, nothing to reference but grass and sky, I sometimes have to adjust marks for crepusculars and cloud cover.

GRTfast
22-11-2017, 02:22
I find the snetterton tracks to be most difficult. The braking through a turn into a super tight turn is really tough. It is satisfying when you get it right though.

Keena
22-11-2017, 04:05
Donnington. That right hander at the bottom of the hill makes or breaks the lap..

no_snacks
22-11-2017, 06:00
On a turn that's out in the middle of nowhere, nothing to reference but grass and sky, I sometimes have to adjust marks for crepusculars and cloud cover.

lol...I have a bad habit of using shadows as braking points. Then it starts to rain and I'm f*cked. :D


Imola is a track where I think I'm going really fast, but I always seem to be way off the pace of the leaders. I don't know why though. There's no particular corner I'm struggling with - probably just haven't unlocked the secrets of that track yet. It's one of my favourite tracks though, so I don't mind putting in the practice. Will probably load a WR ghost and see if I can learn a few tricks. :)

Alywan
22-11-2017, 07:08
For me it's every track that isn't designed for a drag race.

John Hargreaves
22-11-2017, 10:36
Ah yes, I agree those corners can be tricky. :rolleyes:

Nyreen
22-11-2017, 11:10
Any street circuit is usually hard for me. But I'm biased since I don't think racing should be done in the streets

I agree Macau is the street Nordschleife. But street circuits are a rare bread, and the nice ones are a delight. Long Beach, Monaco, Adelaide, are some tracks you really feel like driving on a road, and for the rest of the year, people are on their way to work on that same road.
Le Mans just don't have this feeling anymore, and many parts of the "départementale" (french for secondary road) is cut away to the public (have a look yourself in the Google Car).

A little bit more about street circuits in general https://youtu.be/BnJHzcUfTnE

Ofnir4
22-11-2017, 11:53
Could not care less about catalunya/montmelo, boring, no flow, destroys the tires, and also boring. I'd rather loose 50 points than race at catalunya, which makes it hard to be good at it.
Cadwell park and ruapuna are also tricky, but tricky in a sense that any car you can think of is too fast for the track.

beatrunner
22-11-2017, 18:24
for me the only "hard" tracks are the ones i don't know yet. because i think, once you know a track (like i drove the nordschleife in PC1 > 25'000 KM), every track becomes "easy". i'm in no way saying that i'm fast on every track "i know" :-) the remaining question would then be: after how many kilometers/miles/hours do I really "know" a track?

somebody told me once: you have to do something 10'000 times to begin to master it.

davidt33
22-11-2017, 20:41
I've changed my mind. CODA is not the most devil track. Nurburgring is the devil track (Nurburgring GB and the two other short/sprint tracks, each with sharp demonic corners). Not talking bout the longer Nurbs Nords tracks...Those are cool and I like them. But the shorter Nurbs mentioned with sharp corners and slippery tracks, lord put a hand....especially racing with a slippery car.

hkraft300
22-11-2017, 22:06
Spa.
I think I got it. I feel I’m doing everything right, putting in great clean laps. I think I got the setup nailed, every apex, every braking point.
Then I cross the finish line and I’m 5 seconds off -_-

davidt33
22-11-2017, 23:26
Spa.
I think I got it. I feel I’m doing everything right, putting in great clean laps. I think I got the setup nailed, every apex, every braking point.
Then I cross the finish line and I’m 5 seconds off -_-

I don't mind the Spa actually. It's a decent track IMO. Not like the devil Nurbs.

eracerhead
23-11-2017, 02:46
Oscherscleben needs to die a slow, bitter death. And really it's all due to Turn 1-2, rounding pit exit. I can never get that sequence correct, and lose gobs of time onto the following straight. Doubly so in traffic. The rest of the track is decidedly hohum and I can take it or leave it. But that one corner...? Crap...

Mariangello
23-11-2017, 10:51
Dubai has some tricky corners too... You roll with a full speed along the straight line and suddenly a sharp turn...

dQUIM
23-11-2017, 11:23
Oscherscleben needs to die a slow, bitter death. And really it's all due to Turn 1-2, rounding pit exit. I can never get that sequence correct, and lose gobs of time onto the following straight. Doubly so in traffic. The rest of the track is decidedly hohum and I can take it or leave it. But that one corner...? Crap...

I'm with you there. Never managed to master that corner sequence in PC1, still not managed to do it in PC2.

Generally speaking, I find the undulating tracks harder than the flatter ones.

CassielLight
23-11-2017, 14:10
I'm with you there. Never managed to master that corner sequence in PC1, still not managed to do it in PC2.

Generally speaking, I find the undulating tracks harder than the flatter ones.

Hills are just a basic load transfer problem. (Man, I REALLY played too much Gran Turismo.) If in doubt, pop into the garage, and take a look at your car's drivetrain. That will give you a basic idea on how the car handles.

For instance, take the bottom of the hill at Donnington. Hitting the brakes too hard in a RWD car while you're headed down the hill takes way too much weight off your drive wheels, and that's not a good thing, to put it mildly. Conversely, if you're in a FWD car, too much acceleration going UP the hill will give you fits.

Ravager619
23-11-2017, 15:47
Oscherscleben needs to die a slow, bitter death. And really it's all due to Turn 1-2, rounding pit exit. I can never get that sequence correct, and lose gobs of time onto the following straight. Doubly so in traffic. The rest of the track is decidedly hohum and I can take it or leave it. But that one corner...? Crap...

I was going to say Dubai Autodrome Club due to the entry into the esses, but then I saw this. I can get through the first two turns but I'm not a huge fan of them. On top of that, things get pretty awkward when cars are re-entering the track in the middle of that curve, too.

davidt33
23-11-2017, 15:57
Dubai has some tricky corners too... You roll with a full speed along the straight line and suddenly a sharp turn...

Yup, Dubai does have that devil corner there. I can vouch for this.

Ofnir4
23-11-2017, 16:06
Oh yeah oschersleben, the track I have 2140 hours on apparently, despite doing only three races there...
That track is just one long "Are we there yet ?" from your right foot. If they had kept the original turn 1, it would be a bit "not worse".

HockeyNick30
05-03-2018, 12:23
Historic spa. You get lulled into thinking its a bit of an autobahn blast then BAM eat that armco, you amateur!

LOL that phrase pretty much sums up every new track experience for me!

Mincepie10
05-03-2018, 13:25
I would say that most of the tracks have something VERY challenging about them. I find Island and Shell Oils at Oulton Park super difficult. At the GP track at the Nurburgring its corners 3,4,5; at Monza its the first chicane, etc etc. Some tracks are more interesting than others and in my opinion that is usually because they have a mix of the doable, the challenging and the frustratingly near-impossible to get right. Mind you, I haven't tried all the tracks - the ovals etc. And even there, I'm sure that the lack of "interest" in the corners is likely to be offset by the challenges of close-proximity racing and the unfamiliarity of oval racing in general.

hkraft300
05-03-2018, 13:34
Bathurst.
I've never felt I nailed any of the corners there.

Armageddon
05-03-2018, 14:33
Road America.
Slippery track wet or dry, every turn a nightmare!!!!!

banner77amc
05-03-2018, 14:43
The sampala ice circuits... they just make me angry

rich1e I
05-03-2018, 15:21
Red Bull Ring. I don't know exactly why, It seems I just don't understand this track. I mean I know how to drive it but I have no idea how people can do sub 30s. My potential lap has shown 29s but I can't for my life do a sub 30 lap.

iggy
05-03-2018, 15:30
There are so many hard ones... right now, Spa Francorchamps is giving me problems. Part of the problem is that at least to me at this point, it seems that the AI is unrealistically fast there.. Currently I'm running a Ginetta GT4 car, racing against AI at 50%, with 50% aggression... those AI guys will run me right over in some corners and are only very tiny bit slower than my car would go in a straight line. I can just barely keep up with their track times right now. I know I'm not good there, but with as much effort as I've put into it right now, on most other tracks I'd be able to keep up with AI at 80% by now...

Atak Kat
05-03-2018, 15:43
Some might laugh at me, but I'm gonna say Laguna Seca. I know it's a lot of people's favourite, but for me I just can't find the right line and braking point for a lot of the corners. I'm constantly going wide.

Stewy32
05-03-2018, 15:55
Some might laugh at me, but I'm gonna say Laguna Seca. I know it's a lot of people's favourite, but for me I just can't find the right line and braking point for a lot of the corners. I'm constantly going wide.

That took me a while to master as well

Stewy32
05-03-2018, 15:58
The tracks I can't do that well are Bathurst,Nordshleife,Mercedes-Benz Ice Track and Historic Spa-Francorchamps.I also have to put a lot of effort into doing 10 quick,contactless laps at Long Beach and Azure Circuit.I can also never do the joker or Turn 1 at Brands RX first time...

Swass
05-03-2018, 16:42
Monza and Red Bull. I get my a$$ handed to me.

Alfisti
06-03-2018, 15:09
Brno I am poor at, every corner feels the same yet kind of pointless, it's like a jazz track, endless noodling.

In term sof sheer pace, NFI why but Laguna Seca i am absolutely DREADFUL at. I'll race with folks i know i can compete with or beat and they will hamme rme by 3, 4 or 5 seconds a lap. I cannot carry the speed through any of the turns that i need to, not even one of them, i lose time everywhere.

Alfisti
06-03-2018, 15:17
Spa.
I think I got it. I feel I’m doing everything right, putting in great clean laps. I think I got the setup nailed, every apex, every braking point.
Then I cross the finish line and I’m 5 seconds off -_-

Really?

It's a ... how do i say ... I mean I really like the track as it feels natural despite the changes over the years but if you have the car under you then you should 'feel" the pace and not be ambushed by a slow time. The track punishes understeer severely though, hard to drive around it there through S2.