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Smoo
09-12-2017, 23:55
Hi guys I wanted to know if in multiplayer the game controls the game files to avoid crafty or cheats or is it possible that they are free to do what they want?

maverixxx
10-12-2017, 14:07
no, but you can report wreckers and stupid anti-gamer kids by report them using their Steam Id. in-game you can only kick them

M-PowerX
10-12-2017, 22:50
What happens to "reported" guys?
They are customers, like me and you, I don't expect that much...

Smoo
11-12-2017, 00:16
I do not have to report, but something you have to do, I do not think it is impossible, excellent game do not let him die before time.

kofotsjanne
11-12-2017, 04:39
What happens to "reported" guys?
They are customers, like me and you, I don't expect that much...
Nothing.

Marlborofranz
11-12-2017, 05:20
Haven't had a lot of issues with cheaters or unfair people so far. But for this cases I'd like to run a dedicated server because this allows to blacklist people using their steam I'd. So whenever someone behaves like an idiot, get the steam I'd from his logs, put it in the blacklist, done...

Smoo
11-12-2017, 08:55
I will, but an online league I will never, at least not so, is also so difficult to make a file check?

Smoo
11-12-2017, 09:10
I spend hours playing to improve and then magically in multiplayer I find one or two people who are faster than us by over a second, if on 21 people at least in 10 we are in a second, indeed sometimes in the middle of second we are in 6 or 7 , it's not nice and on this we can't be dumb or blind.

CoproManiac
11-12-2017, 11:37
I spend hours playing to improve and then magically in multiplayer I find one or two people who are faster than us by over a second, if on 21 people at least in 10 we are in a second, indeed sometimes in the middle of second we are in 6 or 7 , it's not nice and on this we can't be dumb or blind.

Just because someone is faster, it doesn't mean he's a cheater lol

tipostrano
11-12-2017, 12:09
One time a saw a guy, really poor at driving, but with a car with like 1000 hp. on every corner exit it was a monster, gaining 5 seconds in a blast. Some people who know him said it was a cheater, with programs like cheat engine did menage to overpower the car. It did a low 1.47 time on monza with a Acura GT3. ( AAHAHAh) but was so incapable in driving that it did't menage to win the race.

cpcdem
11-12-2017, 12:19
I spend hours playing to improve and then magically in multiplayer I find one or two people who are faster than us by over a second, if on 21 people at least in 10 we are in a second, indeed sometimes in the middle of second we are in 6 or 7 , it's not nice and on this we can't be dumb or blind.

There are people who have spent not hours, but 1000s of hours playing to improve...so yes, those people can be one and two and more seconds faster. Not saying that there are no cheaters at all, but a much faster person is not necessarily a cheater at all.

Smoo
11-12-2017, 12:27
So you think the problem is mine, when it is obvious that someone cheats? It's not just my impression and I can admit my limits, that's not the problem.

Smoo
11-12-2017, 12:41
I actually opened this thread to see if there is interest in playing at par, which then you are more or less good is another speech and goes beyond the result on the track, but it seems not wanting to do anything to eliminate this plague, even of doping , perhaps it also annoys to emphasize this behavior because I begin to think that it suits many, and I for habit if I see rotten I prefer to change game that put me at the same level.
But this game deserves and just ask for fairness.

Smoo
11-12-2017, 12:54
One time a saw a guy, really poor at driving, but with a car with like 1000 hp. on every corner exit it was a monster, gaining 5 seconds in a blast. Some people who know him said it was a cheater, with programs like cheat engine did menage to overpower the car. It did a low 1.47 time on monza with a Acura GT3. ( AAHAHAh) but was so incapable in driving that it did't menage to win the race.

Ok, did not win but you have no chance to compete with one that has such an advantage, it is like running with car of another category

CoproManiac
11-12-2017, 13:04
So you think the problem is mine, when it is obvious that someone cheats? It's not just my impression and I can admit my limits, that's not the problem.

Maybe you can provide some video footage? Saying someone cheats because he's a second faster per lap doesn't prove anything and doesn't convince me in the slightest your claim is true.
Which track were you on, which car were you driving and what time did you run per lap?

abc
11-12-2017, 13:32
I spend hours playing to improve and then magically in multiplayer I find one or two people who are faster than us by over a second, if on 21 people at least in 10 we are in a second, indeed sometimes in the middle of second we are in 6 or 7 , it's not nice and on this we can't be dumb or blind.

<rant>
I have to wonder, are you within 2 seconds of the leaders in time-trials for your favorite car for any track? Are you keeping up with the pack of AI set at 100/100? I'm guessing that you are not. I am.

Have some respect.

Try going into time-trial at your favorite track, borrow the tune of someone in the top 10, see if you can even handle it, it might give you some perspective on these people you presume to call 'cheaters' for not only what they achieved in their tuning but also their ability to handle the amazing beasts they create.

As one of those drivers who is frequently .5 to 1.5 seconds faster than #2 in quali, i take great exception to your accusation. Hell, I'm not within 1 second of the leaders in most time-trials. The default tunes are set up to favor longer races than what is common in mutiplayer, for sprints they are weak. My tuned GT3 can beat my best un-tuned ghost by .5-1.5 seconds depending on the track. I tune my car to drive the way it is meant to be driven in these short races and I find it sad that you think the default tune is the best that these magnificent cars can do. I love nothing better than to take 3rd to excellent drivers at a track that i can rock and you and the rest of back-pack are hardly involved in our race (except when you wreck us in turn-1).

Set your races to require default tunes and then I and the other fast drivers will avoid your races. Or maybe do a 30 lap race, my sprint-tune would destroy my tires well before yours does and you'll pass me as i sit in the pit getting changed out (except that i have a tune for long races too, so i'll probably beat you there too). Or maybe learn to tune your car. Some of us spend hours practicing and also hours tuning so we can have cars that handle the way we want. Just because you fail to tune your car doesn't mean that we are cheaters. (i'll even give you a hint; tighten the springs.)

And while i'm at it, it really sucks when quali'ing 2 seconds over #3, looking forward to a great race with #1 who is .03 seconds faster than me, and then getting rear ended by one of you slow people in the 1st lap. If someone quali's 2 seconds faster than you, accept that they have a faster tune, and don't tailgate. Often a good tune requires earlier braking. Or maybe you don't even know your braking points and you just rely on hitting your brakes based on where you see the guy in front of you apply his, and truth is, i brake faster than you and because you fail to tune properly you need 5 more meters to brake. And then here you are slamming into my rear, sending me into the sand and ruining my fun. Your best bet is to race your race and hope that I and my fellow fast drivers wreck ourselves, and if you're fair, due to our own fault.
</rant>

cpcdem
11-12-2017, 14:57
So you think the problem is mine, when it is obvious that someone cheats? It's not just my impression and I can admit my limits, that's not the problem.

I think the problem is that you say that it is obvious that someone cheats. Do they go at 300 km/h with a ford escort? Or do they lap in Red Bull Ring in under a minute? That would be an obvious cheat. If you are not seeing that, then how can you say that someone obviously cheats?

As others said, go to time trial and do your best lap, how much slower are you than the top 3 guys? If they are too far away in time, does it mean they are cheating? All of them are cheating and manage to do very good laps within a few tenths of each other? No, most likely they have just practiced this track a thousand times and they learned how to be extremely fast at it, also have their tunes perfected etc. Log some times and let us have a look if you want, to tell you our opinion on why top times are faster.

I think it should be possible to tell if someone is cheating, by seeing inconsistencies in his driving. If he is spinning all the time in the corners, but is extremely fast in the straights and does top times (I have seen that indeed a couple times), then yes, very likely he is cheating. Or something along those lines. But if you're not seeing something like that, accusing someone of cheating is very harsh and unfair.

ps. In the past I also used to believe many people are cheaters, so I sort of understand you. I thought that people who were 2 seconds faster than me were cheating. As time passed, I was able to be faster 2 seconds myself, so I realized they were not cheating after all. Then thought that those who were another 2 seconds faster were the cheaters now! Until some months later that I could much their pace, too. You see where this is going...

F2kSel
11-12-2017, 15:28
There are timing issues with the game where cars can speed up but they are usually followed by a slow down.
Ping can be the cause but I get it in single player, it may be heat related or GPU over 100% it's hard to say as one day I get it and another I don't.

I don't have these issues in other games even when they are running higher temps, Assetto Corsa really heats up my system but I have no timing issues.

Smoo
11-12-2017, 16:08
Thanks for the reply, give me your nik steam that I'll add, it's a pleasure

cpcdem
11-12-2017, 16:13
Thanks for the reply, give me your nik steam that I'll add, it's a pleasure

Mine? It's the same as here, thankfully noone else uses the same name, so it should be easy to find!

abc
11-12-2017, 16:53
Maybe I should have started my own thread to vent this rant but it seems this might be a better venue to speak to those who would accuse fast drivers of being cheaters, so...

<rant#2>
I've been accused of cheating by several lobbies, even kicked from the race (thank you very much for the 40 point loss, i made them back fairly quickly tho), just because i am faster than the average racer. I get it, some people don't like to have it illustrated that they are not as good as they think they are. Fine. But I am delighted that I have been able to craft my car to be competitive, and being called a cheater, or worse, being kicked from a race, is infuriating.

My S and over-1600 point rating came after many learning experiences. I didn't cheat to get that, I earned that.

They can join lobbies with "require default tune" and that will make it so that it is a challenge of simple racing and not tuning-and-racing, I get that. I prefer to drive a car that rocks the track and is competitive against the fastest drivers on the track.

Maybe SMS would want to introduce a top-limit to the online reputation filter, but I cannot imagine why. I love the "filter out the noobs/crashers" (the "U-rating is a cancer" lobby is one of my fav's), but I would not want to prevent someone from illustrating to me "this is how fast you COULD drive if you tried hard enough".
</rant#2>

cpcdem
11-12-2017, 17:12
Look, I completely sympathize about being kicked for being too fast, or people accusing you of cheating while you have earned your skill the hard way, I am sure this is extremely unfair. But on the other hand, I really not like it personally the way you talk about "them", "the slow ones", "they can do that" etc. Respect is something that should go both directions. Just a friendly opinion shared, nothing more.

Smoo
11-12-2017, 21:54
For abc....
If you're good you don't have to feel accused, I'm the first to compliment you, but mine was a question about the game and the ability to check if someone cheats

abc
11-12-2017, 23:30
Smoo, thank you for following up and I apologize for venting my rant in your general direction, was probably inappropriate of me, but it is a rant that has been building up for the last few weeks and i guess i just was looking for a target, and this thread was close enuf to the topic. :) Good Luck and Have Fun.

Smoo
12-12-2017, 00:36
You did well to vent, because I think we all want the same thing, I don't have cheaters and you who are good, I understand your resentment, even to me on certain tracks say the same, but if the general feeling is this and I for this reason I opened this d Iscussion is right to talk about it, I don't see anything wrong. If you or whoever in your place go strong, I will certainly not slow you down, indeed I repeat compliments

Smoo
18-01-2018, 13:50
Yesterday in monza with Tc normal time in q 1.58.000 in race 1.58.700 - 1.59.000, a certain "duma(hun)" in race 1.53.300 with Bmw Tc and 1.55.700, world record lap serious 1.56.900.
I told him he was a cheater and he replies to me that it's game bugs, really did it come to that.

Simerection
19-01-2018, 02:46
Some have natural talent..the rest of us need to work hard for it. Working hard is honorable and yields amazing results.

Race craft takes years to perfect just like mastering a musical instrument.

Make a pot of coffee or some tea and set yourself up for a 500 lap practice session. Do 500 laps a day...everyday. You never know when you've gotta drive your way out of a tight situation. Develop a strict training regimen for yourself with the time you have available to work with. Set personal goals and keep a log of your results and accomplishments.

Cheaters will be cheaters..but solid racing skills once developed can be applied to ALL sims. You'll learn how to adjust, adapt, correct and perfect. Your time in the sim will be your zen time and highly valuable to your well being outside of the sim. Slightly Mad has offered some serious training material with various environments for us to take advantage of to help hone our Racecraft.

As important as it is for Slightly Mad to release a title worthy enough to be regarded as a sim, it's just as important for us to meet it head on with simulator level skills and respectable attitude.

cpcdem
19-01-2018, 03:00
Yesterday in monza with Tc normal time in q 1.58.000 in race 1.58.700 - 1.59.000, a certain "duma(hun)" in race 1.53.300 with Bmw Tc and 1.55.700, world record lap serious 1.56.900.
I told him he was a cheater and he replies to me that it's game bugs, really did it come to that.

Just have to say that FWIW, I raced with him tonight in Nurburgring/touring cars, and his lap times were always pretty normal. Not saying that you are wrong or right about yesterday, but at least today he was perfectly legit.

Smoo
19-01-2018, 13:56
Just have to say that FWIW, I raced with him tonight in Nurburgring/touring cars, and his lap times were always pretty normal. Not saying that you are wrong or right about yesterday, but at least today he was perfectly legit.

Or maybe it was not enough cheat?

Smoo
19-01-2018, 14:01
Some have natural talent..the rest of us need to work hard for it. Working hard is honorable and yields amazing results.

Race craft takes years to perfect just like mastering a musical instrument.

Make a pot of coffee or some tea and set yourself up for a 500 lap practice session. Do 500 laps a day...everyday. You never know when you've gotta drive your way out of a tight situation. Develop a strict training regimen for yourself with the time you have available to work with. Set personal goals and keep a log of your results and accomplishments.

Cheaters will be cheaters..but solid racing skills once developed can be applied to ALL sims. You'll learn how to adjust, adapt, correct and perfect. Your time in the sim will be your zen time and highly valuable to your well being outside of the sim. Slightly Mad has offered some serious training material with various environments for us to take advantage of to help hone our Racecraft.

As important as it is for Slightly Mad to release a title worthy enough to be regarded as a sim, it's just as important for us to meet it head on with simulator level skills and respectable attitude.

Okay I do series races with serious people, and there is no such gap, if I say this is to improve the game, certainly not to criticize.
Maybe they could also listen to programmers.

Charger
19-01-2018, 16:55
Yesterday in monza with Tc normal time in q 1.58.000 in race 1.58.700 - 1.59.000, a certain "duma(hun)" in race 1.53.300 with Bmw Tc and 1.55.700, world record lap serious 1.56.900.
I told him he was a cheater and he replies to me that it's game bugs, really did it come to that.

Just because a world record is set in TT doesn't mean it can't be beaten in race, not everyone does TT's, I don't ever and I know I have beaten a couple of world records on some cars and tracks but it doesn't register on TT times from online races.

MaximusN
19-01-2018, 17:21
Just because a world record is set in TT doesn't mean it can't be beaten in race, not everyone does TT's, I don't ever and I know I have beaten a couple of world records on some cars and tracks but it doesn't register on TT times from online races.
Me neither, can't see the fun and even use of TT. Now if it could be used as a (private) qualifying session for a singleplayer race of the same class I'd use it. The conditions would be the same, but it would show the times the AI posted and use it to set up the grid..

But until that time my 'WR- times' will be 'wasted' on single player and multiplayer qualifications and races only.

Smoo
19-01-2018, 20:13
I talked about TT?

Lobby

MaximusN
19-01-2018, 20:18
World records are only recorded in TT.

Smoo
19-01-2018, 20:34
In lobby with tc monza setup default for all.
In 30 good drivers all with time similar, ok 1s 1.5s, 3s 4s not normal.

Charger
19-01-2018, 21:34
Wild accusations with no proof or facts just assumptions that they couldn't be that fast, believe me they can be, 4 secs to a good driver default or not is nothing.

Smoo
19-01-2018, 22:04
Needless to discuss if you don't want to understand

MaximusN
19-01-2018, 22:13
He could have a setup trick you(me, and the devs) don't know. That's why I'm so adamant about obligatory shared setups in TT.

Do you have a replay? That might help solve the mystery.

cpcdem
19-01-2018, 22:18
In lobby with tc monza setup default for all.
In 30 good drivers all with time similar, ok 1s 1.5s, 3s 4s not normal.

I just checked the lap times of everybody in the Nurburgring race that I mentioned I had with this guy. Those were the best laps for every driver in the race:

#1: 2:07,983
#2: 2:09,857
#3: 2:10,041
#4: 2:10,539
#5: 2:11,289
#6: 2:11,664
#7: 2:11,976
#8: 2:11,789
#9: 2:11,975
#10:2:12,039
#11:2:12,225
#12:2:13,784
#13:2:13,909
#14:2:14,222

As you can see, there's a 6 second gap from first to last. The guy you are accusing of cheating had the 6th best time (2:11,664). Again, as I said, the fact that he was legit in the race, does not mean necessarily something for other races as well, but as for time differences between people, more than 6 seconds is very normal even for 14 players only. I assume it can be more for the 30 drivers you mentioned.

Rombusch
24-01-2018, 14:30
Hi, here in the game, there is definitely cheater.
Has happened to me more often before that I suddenly could drive in the middle of the race only 200 km / h in 4 gear. And only had for 2 round fuel in the tank. By the way, you can download this trash free on the internet as a trainer. Already sad that the game does not recognize such a thing and bans the players. Instead, I'm being punished as a player when I have to break the race with a big minus score.
Aside from that you can cheat well without cheats. Just set the maximum time penalty and you can cut short without punishment. so they win and qualify for e-sports.

SMS will not do anything against it, in the first project cars nothing was done. Presumably we have to donate money before they start doing bugs and cheating. is also much more important to bring out dlc than to make the game properly.

iggy
02-02-2018, 17:51
I suspect that 99.9% of people who are being accused of cheating here, are not cheating... I guess I don't there is some way to cheat but I bet in most cases , someone is just legitimately faster.

I'm on PS4, probably a bit harder to find a way to cheat than it might be on PC. I can tell you that nearly every night I run a lobby, one or two people will come through and run 1 second or more faster then the rest of the top 5 drivers... I can run three, four, or even more races where there are 5 guys all running within one second of each other ... and then along will come some guy who out does them by at a second or so. I've seen this in lobbies where default setup was required... and ones that allowed setup changes...

I personally don't think that setup is usually the cause of fast guys being fast... Most fast guys are fast , regardless of the car you give them, or the ambient conditions... they just know how to drive fast, that's all.