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Richie Padalino
03-03-2018, 13:12
I don't see how this can be just me, but;

Red Bull Ring, 28th March 2018, 13:00. Light Cloud. Free Practice.

The wet tyres are a clear 2 seconds quicker than hard slicks, in the dry? Surely this can't be right?

Also, shouldn't there be massive overheating/degradation? This also is not happening.

blinkngone
03-03-2018, 14:38
Track Temperature at only 59 degrees. Isn't that way below the minimum temp for hards?
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Zaskarspants
03-03-2018, 15:03
deleted - yeah well, I did some tests, but I used the wrong car... so had to delete my so interesting results. ;-)

sisollazzo
03-03-2018, 20:45
I'm playing currently FA and I can say it need some fixes!

blinkngone
03-03-2018, 22:12
I'm playing currently FA and I can say it need some fixes!
Ok, well can you be more specific and put them in here.
http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?60908-Unofficial-issue-list-Post-Patch-4-0

3800racingfool
03-03-2018, 23:15
A sub 60 track temp is too cold for hards to be effective. Softs should be the best bet but wets will work as well without overheating too badly (will probably wear quicker than the softs though).

I'd say the results are more or less to be expected.

Keena
04-03-2018, 04:59
I think it helps to deliberately think of the tyres as being nothing to do with F1, which has it's own weird and wonderful set of compounds.

demand34
04-03-2018, 07:30
Open wheel slicks simply don't work well in this game. FA continues to be undriveable on loose setups unless you use the competition tyres, and even then they are not trustworthy.

The only open wheeler that handles decent in pc2 is the FX. There's something wrong with FA nad FR

Richie Padalino
04-03-2018, 09:28
So?

Are we saying that the Wet Tyres work better in the dry than tyres actually designed to be used in the dry? Is that right? Does anyone know of any real world situation when this would be applicable, across any motorsport class? Never mind any open wheel class. I know I've never heard of that, but maybe my knowledge is limited.

Seems a bit silly to me.

sisollazzo
04-03-2018, 10:03
Of course the FA cars are difficult to drive. At the moment I have problem with the AI balance. I set the difficulty to 100 or 90% and the AI drive the same time by a 120 % difficulty. Further while the race I drive constantly the same round time. But By consuming fuel the car should get faster.

blinkngone
04-03-2018, 10:13
So?

Are we saying that the Wet Tyres work better in the dry than tyres actually designed to be used in the dry? Is that right? Does anyone know of any real world situation when this would be applicable, across any motorsport class? Never mind any open wheel class. I know I've never heard of that, but maybe my knowledge is limited.

Seems a bit silly to me.

Yes it seems silly to you. You set the conditions for your test session. This determines the ambient temperature and track temperature. You chose the hard tires(maybe there is a glitch on XBOX1 on Automatic by Weather) to do your run even though hard tires aren't recommended for the conditions you chose. If you had selected Automatic by Weather as your tire choice you possibly could have started on Softs, a much better choice for the parameters you selected. The Wet tires you tried next were better than your first attempt with hards. I suppose you could have selected Ice or Comp or All Terrain as well. The tire models do need some work(and as far as I can tell are being adjusted with each patch) but you still need to pay attention to your choices.
I chose Automatic by Weather and I was started on softs.
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Richie Padalino
04-03-2018, 11:03
Yes it seems silly to you. You set the conditions for your test session. This determines the ambient temperature and track temperature. You chose the hard tires(maybe there is a glitch on XBOX1 on Automatic by Weather) to do your run even though hard tires aren't recommended for the conditions you chose. If you had selected Automatic by Weather as your tire choice you possibly could have started on Softs, a much better choice for the parameters you selected. The Wet tires you tried next were better than your first attempt with hards. I suppose you could have selected Ice or Comp or All Terrain as well. The tire models do need some work(and as far as I can tell are being adjusted with each patch) but you still need to pay attention to your choices.
I chose Automatic by Weather and I was started on softs.
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So, you're saying it's correct that Wet Tyres perform better in the dry, than a tyre designed to actually work in the dry?

What if I don't want to select the soft tyre? What if I want to do a longer stint? That's just not an option then? Unless you choose the wet tyre, which then just makes it all a bit silly.

Imagine that in the real world,
"Hello Geoff, what tyre has Padalino gone for?"
"Well, Gary, he's gone for the wet tyre"
"Sorry? The wet tyre? But it's completely dry Geoff?"
"Yes, well, you know, it's a little bit cold, so he's gone with the wet"
"I see all the other drivers have gone with a dry tyre"
"Yes, but they'll probably be 1-2 seconds slower on that"
"Right, okay, I guess we should take an ad break there, see you in a couple of minutes"

Zaskarspants
04-03-2018, 11:06
Did some laps, with the right car this time.

Yes, as said above, softs are the defaults given by the game on console too.

The wets gripped well immediately but started to under steer and get nervous after 6 laps.

The hards were scary for the first lap and started to grip after 3 laps but didn't get hot enough to work well. After 6 laps the fronts under temp. I managed similar times to the wets at their best before the wets got hot.

The softs gripped after a lap and a half and were 4 seconds faster than wets or hards.

I don't see any problems here.

Ofnir4
04-03-2018, 11:09
Have you never seen F1 team run wet tires in the dry in winter ?
It may not hold for long because it has a much lower running temp, but it's far softer than a slick tire. It should be fast, die fast.

blinkngone
04-03-2018, 12:10
"Right, okay, I guess we should take an ad break there, see you in a couple of minutes"
"Right, okay, and let's get us another driver in there that makes better choices.":cool:

Richie Padalino
04-03-2018, 12:15
"Right, okay, I guess we should take an ad break there, see you in a couple of minutes"
"Right, okay, and let's get us another driver in there that makes better choices.":cool:

:)

You mean all the other drivers, though surely?

Long stints in those conditions, the only viable option is the wet tyre.

Zaskarspants
04-03-2018, 12:18
:)

You mean all the other drivers, though surely?

Long stints in those conditions, the only viable option is the wet tyre.

Not really, not for me, I found that the wets started getting nervous after six laps, but they did offer good grip levels from the start.

Richie Padalino
04-03-2018, 12:30
Not really, not for me, I found that the wets started getting nervous after six laps, but they did offer good grip levels from the start.

I found that they lasted a whole lot longer than that. And the softs went away really quickly, so I couldn't use them.

I don't know, I'll keep trying various things. It's good to know that using wets in the dry is actually a thing though, when it's cold. Makes me feel a bit less silly driving around in wet tyres in the dry.

Thank you all for your assistance, and advice. Much appreciated.

Zaskarspants
04-03-2018, 12:37
I found that they lasted a whole lot longer than that. And the softs went away really quickly, so I couldn't use them.

I don't know, I'll keep trying various things. It's good to know that using wets in the dry is actually a thing though, when it's cold. Makes me feel a bit less silly driving around in wet tyres in the dry.

Thank you all for your assistance, and advice. Much appreciated.

Sorry, but I do think you may be misinterpreting what I said.
Just to be clear, you used the wrong tyres, softs are recommended. Yes, wets grip well from the start, because they are made of soft rubber. They work for a few laps and then loose grip.

I accept your experiences in game may be different.

blinkngone
04-03-2018, 12:44
I found that they lasted a whole lot longer than that. And the softs went away really quickly, so I couldn't use them.

I don't know, I'll keep trying various things. It's good to know that using wets in the dry is actually a thing though, when it's cold. Makes me feel a bit less silly driving around in wet tyres in the dry.

Thank you all for your assistance, and advice. Much appreciated.

Hi Richie, tires in PC2 are a real challenge. The are endless threads about them. It is also very important to get your pressures right. Here is the link to pressure range guidelines. http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?57541-Project-CARS-2-Tyre-Temps

Zaskarspants
04-03-2018, 12:54
^^^^

This is so true. I just stick with recommended tyres and pressures at present as I grapple with learning to race well. I don't think tyres are my biggest challenge but I realise that for maximum competitiveness they may need adjusting.

pferreirag60
04-03-2018, 15:56
Managing Tires, the right pressure to try to maintain the right temp for the different Tire based on the road conditions we have, really are the most challenging, because you need the later to drive in the limit, no other sim have done what SMS does in PCars2 in respect to tires and many other things :). Even the feel of FFB relates to how the tires are in respect to temp and pressure. I drive everyday in PCars 2, but some days I feel something that I havent felled before (FFB wise) because now, for me, tires are the most important aspect in PCars2 and im forced to setup, learn how to setup cars, something that i did nt needed to do in all other sims.

We have bugs, yes, sometimes im so furious with pcars2 that i feel the need to smash some one in the face :) or brake some of my driving acessories :), but driving in PCars2, man.... it is just marvelous, amazing, no words really.

My real driving experience is based in many years of karting, 125cc two stroke Gilera KK in racing mode( Copa lubritex, Portugal during 1 season, finishing in 11) and 2 laps in Estoril in a Porsche 911 Turbo, in the 198? something and 3 ramp climb in an ford escort 1600 race car.

Im old, almost 49 :) ,days away.

demand34
05-03-2018, 15:22
FA slicks are a joke, so are FR3.5. I have tried even closing the ducts as much as I need in order to keep the tyres at 95 or so, and the car still behaves so unpredictably that it is simply not fun. And competition tyres are not good enough, simply put.

Needless to speak about FA AI. Activating drs right at the exit of any corner; not even closing it on fast corners, etc.

Any plans on fixing at least the slick tyres for FA SMS?, and option to ban DRS in this category would be very much appreciated as well, specially when playing with AI.