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R-VR Closet
20-05-2018, 23:53
Thought I try this out, so here is a vid where I compare the lap times with a 360 controller and my T300 at Ruapuna Park in the BMW 2002:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rXQEQlShNw&t=1s

Tank621
21-05-2018, 00:10
Personally I think that both have the potential to be equally quick but I believe if you are competant with a wheel it is easier to be consistently quick, drive more precisely, and make better coreections than when playing with a controller

I reckon most novices will be quicker with a controller, and at the end of the day your speed is probably more dependant on your experience with your prefered device

foxymop
21-05-2018, 00:23
I went from a controller to a t300 and then back to the controller again.
What I felt with the wheel was that you can like it was said above, control the car with more precision and more consistent.
Also I felt I could save the car in situations that with the controller it's impossible.

R-VR Closet
21-05-2018, 05:30
Personally I think that both have the potential to be equally quick but I believe if you are competant with a wheel it is easier to be consistently quick, drive more precisely, and make better coreections than when playing with a controller

I reckon most novices will be quicker with a controller, and at the end of the day your speed is probably more dependant on your experience with your prefered device

You are right that one will be fastest with what is known and what that person are used to, and if they haven't experienced anything else.
And if the game allow it, you can make your steeringinputs faster with a controller than a wheel.
But as you said, you will never be able to be as precice and smooth with a controller as with a wheel. And smooth is fast.
So with practise with both devices, I think most people would end up being faster with a wheel than a controller.
I consider myselfe a competent pad racer, competed in iRacing with a 360 in my early sim racing days. I might be a bit rusty with a controller, but I picked up on it quite quick.
I was actualy 1 or 2 seconds faster with a controller when I bought my first wheel, but it took me way less time to match and surpass my pad times, than it had took me to reatch those time with my controller.

HUZI
09-07-2018, 08:15
I think when it comes to Rally cars and cars that need a lot of counter steer and possibly a handbrake the wheel would be a big advantage

Olijke Poffer
09-07-2018, 09:33
It is more about the immersion than speed. At least for me. Sitting on my back on a couch with a controller is not that immersive imo.

R-VR Closet
17-07-2018, 10:39
I think when it comes to Rally cars and cars that need a lot of counter steer and possibly a handbrake the wheel would be a big advantage

I also did this test with Dirt Rally, and it made most difference in that title over track sims.



It is more about the immersion than speed. At least for me. Sitting on my back on a couch with a controller is not that immersive imo.
That's true!
And that's where VR makes most sence, even though that VR actually can make you both faster and a safer driver. :cool:
I almost always choose H-pattern cars over paddle / sequential shift cars, not because they are faster, but cause they are more fun to drive. :applouse:

MrTulip
18-07-2018, 11:13
I consider that (normal) gamepad is generally harder to be fast but it really is possible to be equally fast with both. Until TX3 Rinpoku I'd have been in favor of wheel.

I suggest anyone try to beat his Ferrari 488 GT3 time at Nords:
http://cars2-stats-steam.wmdportal.com/index.php/leaderboard?track=697498609&vehicle=185812116

Note that the current record holder does not compare because in 2017 Ferrari GT3 was not yet balanced and was faster on straights. I think it is possible to break both the Rinpoku's time and the current record, as they are so very close, but I'm not fast and consistent enough to win or match Rinpoku on every turn of the track. There is couple ones he botched, but the rest is perfect.
(And yes, I haven't continued if I didn't have chance to make it anymore, so I don't have time with this combination.)

Also years ago there was talk on iRacing forums that Jacques Villeneuve preferred gamepad for his sim racing and they had even tried this:
"I don't think it would be legal in F1, but when I was at BAR we had a go-kart made like that with some special handles and it actually worked really well. Some more secret work was done on it after that."
(Original article: https://www.gordonkirby.com/categories/columns/theway/2008/the_way_it_is_no165.html )

hkraft300
18-07-2018, 14:59
WR TT times are more than possible on gamepad.

For a 3 hour endurance race, wheel > gamepad. For the sake of your knuckles and consistency.

VelvetTorpedo
18-07-2018, 15:06
TX3 Rinpoku has set plenty of TT records with a controller.

https://pcars.13ms.de/#/users/76561198343907329 (sort by relative rank)

LGV Karlos
20-08-2018, 11:41
Hi, I have found the complete opposite. 5 of us have played against each other for probably 10 years. We tend to play F1, rally games and project cars (on PS4) . We all have wheel and pedals but only two of us use them (it's close but generally we are just a bit quicker and more consistent) . I have fanatec csl elite (with load cell brake) other is thrustmaster T300. We have recently started playing PC2 (always on authentic) the two of us on the wheel are 2/3 seconds a lap slower. Problem is braking we just constantly lock up and spin. (have tried every conceivably setting even reloading the game) Decided to have a go on controller this morning (first time probably ever) found it very difficult to steer but comfortably beat my wheel times (set both to auto) by over 2/3 seconds a lap. Basically able to brake 70 yards later and seems more traction out of the bends. We are using the lambo gt3, which I would assume has abs and traction control (that's how it feels on the controller) not on the wheels.

R-VR Closet
20-08-2018, 12:01
Hm, intresting!
But that doesn't sound right.. I have had / Still have the CSL Elite load cell pedals on my sons setup, and they are really good pedals. Have you set them up in Fanatec controlls, and also in game? So that they aren't set to sensitive?
You also have a brake pressure option in the car setup menu on track.
Here is me using my CSL Elites in pCars 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV9qdU3AKtI&t=60s

LGV Karlos
20-08-2018, 12:14
Hm, intresting!
But that doesn't sound right.. I have had / Still have the CSL Elite load cell pedals on my sons setup, and they are really good pedals. Have you set them up in Fanatec controlls, and also in game? So that they aren't set to sensitive?
You also have a brake pressure option in the car setup menu on track.
Here is me using my CSL Elites in pCars 2:

https://youtu.be/mV9qdU3AKtIHi, thanks for reply.
Have had the fanatec since before Christmas so have been on every forum and YouTube for setups(which are brilliant on all games except this) have tried the brake setting on wheel itself. Problem isn't sensativity have turned all down, car just won't stop quickly without locking. Friends t300rs exactly the same. One thing I have found is I'm unable to save calibration on wheel and pedals. I go through the calibration but at the end it won't highlight save. I have read that you need to calibrate pedals every time you go on the game. I'm stumped.

R-VR Closet
20-08-2018, 13:35
Hi, thanks for reply.
Have had the fanatec since before Christmas so have been on every forum and YouTube for setups(which are brilliant on all games except this) have tried the brake setting on wheel itself. Problem isn't sensativity have turned all down, car just won't stop quickly without locking. Friends t300rs exactly the same. One thing I have found is I'm unable to save calibration on wheel and pedals. I go through the calibration but at the end it won't highlight save. I have read that you need to calibrate pedals every time you go on the game. I'm stumped.
So it seems to be a PS4 issue then?
Have you also tried not to do the pedal calibration in game?
I have noticed that my wheel works best without the calibration

LGV Karlos
20-08-2018, 14:29
So it seems to be a PS4 issue then?
Have you also tried not to do the pedal calibration in game?
I have noticed that my wheel works best without the calibrationYes, would be happy playing without the abs and traction if we all had it. Problem is they just kill you under braking. Think we will have to allow abs and traction on and see if it evens it out. Loved the vid by the way excellent heal and toe. Have ordered a game hub so I can use my thrustmaster gearstick with the fanatec.

LGV Karlos
20-08-2018, 18:32
So it seems to be a PS4 issue then?
Have you also tried not to do the pedal calibration in game?
I have noticed that my wheel works best without the calibrationJust did a lap with abs high stability authentic tc low. Still locks up a bit but nearly 5 seconds quicker (still auto which defiantly makes me slower) it now reacts like the controller under braking.
Never have assists on in games, no quicker if I do. Think I will have to bite the bullet and put the abs on in pc2. 😕

beetes_juice
20-08-2018, 19:01
Use what the car allows in RL (ABS/TC). Nobody cares if you do a super fast lap with TC/ABS on or off - reminds me of the thinking "well A sim is harder to drive than B, that makes A more of a sim".

You're locking the tires/fighting ABS with your pedals. Play with the cars brake bias/pressure/engine braking/brake duct settings to dial in the brakes. You'll find yourself braking later and later with a properly setup car + wheel/pedals.

LGV Karlos
20-08-2018, 19:11
Use what the car allows in RL (ABS/TC). Nobody cares if you do a super fast lap with TC/ABS on or off - reminds me of the thinking "well A sim is harder to drive than B, that makes A more of a sim".

You're locking the tires/fighting ABS with your pedals. Play with the cars brake bias/pressure/engine braking/brake duct settings to dial in the brakes. You'll find yourself braking later and later with a properly setup car + wheel/pedals.Not sure if you read what I said, not bothered about my lap times. I play twice a week in a group of five, we play all identical with no changing of set up. There is a problem with the brakes locking up which is not happening on the controller. The other guy on the wheel is now not wanting to go on pc2, personally I love pc1 and 2 so I've been trying to find a solution. Are you on ps4 and have you had a problem with not being able to save calibration?

MrTulip
21-08-2018, 15:32
Not sure if you read what I said, not bothered about my lap times. I play twice a week in a group of five, we play all identical with no changing of set up. There is a problem with the brakes locking up which is not happening on the controller. The other guy on the wheel is now not wanting to go on pc2, personally I love pc1 and 2 so I've been trying to find a solution. Are you on ps4 and have you had a problem with not being able to save calibration?

If you don't touch the setups at all, lockups with the wheel might simply be because by default PCARS2 loads the setup named 'loose' for the wheels and 'stable' for the gamepad. Check at least if the brake pressure is different between these with your car of choice.

LGV Karlos
21-08-2018, 17:36
If you don't touch the setups at all, lockups with the wheel might simply be because by default PCARS2 loads the setup named 'loose' for the wheels and 'stable' for the gamepad. Check at least if the brake pressure is different between these with your car of choice.Thanks, will have a try tonight.

Bealdor
21-08-2018, 19:51
If you don't touch the setups at all, lockups with the wheel might simply be because by default PCARS2 loads the setup named 'loose' for the wheels and 'stable' for the gamepad. Check at least if the brake pressure is different between these with your car of choice.

I think the brake bias is the root cause for this. In most loose setups it's significantly more set to the rear compared to the stable ones.

Shinzah
22-08-2018, 02:14
90% of the time I switch to the 'loose' setup even with gamepad...

Stable tends to push like a boat for me in most cars

hkraft300
22-08-2018, 02:40
Some loose setups tend to push for me too.
They feel artificially/inefficiently "loose" by way of an aggressive diff or rearward brake bias.