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DozUK
11-09-2018, 08:07
With the arrival of the final documented DLC pack upon us, where does it leave us and this fantastic game?

Sure there is lots of content in this game and as Ian once alluded to, no other sim contains as many features as Project Cars 2 has.

Of course this game will keep us going for a long time but aside from the inevitable 'Game of the Year' edition which will feature all preceding DLC and perhaps one more last hurrah (Interlagos anyone?) has development of this amazing sim come to a natural conclusion?

Personally I would love an ongoing cycle of further DLC and game updates but I understand that work on successor must start (If it hasn't already ;) ).

If work hasn't started, I'm confident that I have two further years worth of value and thrills with this game but I would greatly miss the patient wait for the next batch of content and the awe of seeing it drop (Just like yesterday/today).

Either way, we have a great game that we will continue to enjoy but it would be nice for SMS to let us know the state of the game now we have hit the point of the last documented DLC drop.

C'mon Ian, put us out of our misery or make our day :)

Olijke Poffer
11-09-2018, 08:29
Time for a new version I guess. Or enjoy what PC2 brings you as it is now with the final DLC.
Either way is ok for me.

oliie
11-09-2018, 11:10
I'd like SMS to take on the WRC license or rally in general. I think they have a pretty good foundation with the RX physics

Vic Flange
11-09-2018, 13:48
I think a good approach would be to release regular DLC whilst working on a follow up game in the background. The game is brilliant as it is so what we have should be good enough until a natural successor is ready (and bug free on release).

Stocky
11-09-2018, 13:58
It could be a new dawn, at least for many of the leagues, if they released the mods.txt file for us.

There's so many people waiting for this, among all the top leagues.

Adding custom liveries makes the game more immersive, adds new excitement, and will regenerate interest again.

I make fun of the new F1 game saying how can a racing game not include VR. But on the other hand, I feel the same way about PCars2, saying how can a racing game not include custom liveries.

It's been a year (next week), and we're still here and loyal to PCars2. Reward us with mod.txt please!

hkraft300
11-09-2018, 14:02
If pc3 comes out only compatible with like a ps5, I’ll buy the new console.
I’m not expecting another iteration until the next round of console pissing contest.

RacingAtHome
11-09-2018, 14:03
There's a lot of talk about a new project. I think we'll see a new PCARS on next gen consoles so we might not see information or involvement in PCARS3 for a while yet.

Gregz0r
11-09-2018, 14:09
I don’t want to see a PCARS 3, for at least another two years.
Give PC2 time to be refined and honed more and more, with occasional surprise DLC/features(custom grids, pitlanes for Karts etc) popping up every now and then.

GenBrien
11-09-2018, 14:54
+1 for more patches/DLCs

Pcars2 seems to be kinda maxed out with current consoles hardware, so I think they're better to wait for nextgen for Pcars3

Stewy32
11-09-2018, 15:48
Maybe smaller 4 cars+1 track DLCs could release every 3-4 months until we get an official PC3 announcement,then we have about a year with the full game and then finally PC3 comes out in around Sep 2020

MrTulip
11-09-2018, 16:13
I think we haven't seen all of the PCARS2 yet. No inside info; just a hunch. :)

Miguelito
11-09-2018, 17:10
I can't deny it, it's one of the best racing games i ever played. The Line up of racing cars is something amazing, the classes are impressive. Not every racing games gives you the differences of a GT3 or a GTE car. I hope to see more updates and DLC, because, with some more features, like increased grid sizes, custom grids and mid session saves could result in the ultimate endurance gaming experience.

Austin Romero
11-09-2018, 17:41
I think we'll see more added cars and tracks for PCARS2, maybe a second season pass if we are really lucky.

dan2312
11-09-2018, 22:51
I would love some more DLC for Pcars 2.

In Pcars 3, I would love to see them pick up the license for the BTCC before some one else does!

SMS already have nearly all the season tracks in pcars 2. just missing thruxton, croft. Rockinghams being sold off and not used in 2019. :(

dan2312
11-09-2018, 22:54
I hope to see more updates and DLC, because, with some more features, like increased grid sizes, custom grids and mid session saves could result in the ultimate endurance gaming experience.

I wonder how many computers would cope with the WEC grid size grid of 60 cars at 24 hour of Le man.


Also they would probably need to split LMP 1 class now from hybrid and non hybrid.

mister dog
11-09-2018, 22:58
Both the game and the DLC strategy have been a grand improvement over PC1. There's still some voices in the sim racing scene that don't consider it a 'true' sim (even if it simulates a ton of things other sims don't feature), but at least everyone agreed that PC2 is a really well executed and fun racing game to play.

The DLC packages were very attractive and lasted for an entire year too, really like this latest Ferrari pack, not many games have featured Fiorano so far. And SMS gave us classic Le Mans and all the period cars which was incredible.

I hope SMS continue on this positive wave and we'll hear about PC3 soon!

davidt33
11-09-2018, 23:49
I've always looked forward to whatever patches and DLCs as well like a little boy to his birthday gift or Christmas present....this as the game continued to refine itself. Haven't done much since patch 7 yesterday to experience what has been fixed or refined but thought there was more to be done following patch 6. Disconnections were still and issue for some, and so to the UDP Protocol for third party developers. Perhaps some of those have been addressed in patch 7 I dunno. As for more DLC I'll be happy as pappy should we get more presents. Nevertheless as it stands there's quite a lot of content available, many perhaps I have yet to experience so I'm good on that either way.

One thing for sure, Project Cars shall remain my main go-to racing sim and racing fix and I'll continue to support the franchise in the foreseeable future.

Christiaan van Beilen
11-09-2018, 23:52
Both the game and the DLC strategy have been a grand improvement over PC1. There's still some voices in the sim racing scene that don't consider it a 'true' sim (even if it simulates a ton of things other sims don't feature), but at least everyone agreed that PC2 is a really well executed and fun racing game to play.

The DLC packages were very attractive and lasted for an entire year too, really like this latest Ferrari pack, not many games have featured Fiorano so far. And SMS gave us classic Le Mans and all the period cars which was incredible.

I hope SMS continue on this positive wave and we'll hear about PC3 soon!

Well said!

I wouldn't mind a Project RALLY sidestep though, cause I think we need to wait for new consoles and massively better PC hardware before making another big step to pCARS 3. ;)

Miguelito
11-09-2018, 23:56
I wonder how many computers would cope with the WEC grid size grid of 60 cars at 24 hour of Le man.


Also they would probably need to split LMP 1 class now from hybrid and non hybrid.

That's why a custom grid tool, like the mod we have for PC could be useful to have real life like races. And, I understand that 60 cars in LeMans is impossible, but in those tracks, like Daytona, Monza or Spa increasing the grids to 40-45 cars could be awesome.

TekNeil
12-09-2018, 00:10
Personally I'd love to see PC2 keep developing. When it all comes together, it's fantastic. But with a few bug fixes, I'd love to see additions such as real driver swaps amongst other things.

UkHardcore23
12-09-2018, 00:14
The game has so much content that really im not sure we need a season 2. Id much rather custom championships that would easily tide me over until PCARS 3

morpwr
12-09-2018, 00:21
Both the game and the DLC strategy have been a grand improvement over PC1. There's still some voices in the sim racing scene that don't consider it a 'true' sim (even if it simulates a ton of things other sims don't feature), but at least everyone agreed that PC2 is a really well executed and fun racing game to play.

The DLC packages were very attractive and lasted for an entire year too, really like this latest Ferrari pack, not many games have featured Fiorano so far. And SMS gave us classic Le Mans and all the period cars which was incredible.

I hope SMS continue on this positive wave and we'll hear about PC3 soon!

Yeah well we know what forums those are from so I don't pay much attention. Its not like any of them are perfect yet. But one of them is headed in a really good direction.:)

Coolerking
12-09-2018, 10:52
I like the idea that Assetto Corsa Competizione are pursuing. One licence or series per game as opposed to a 'jack of all trades' approach. I, personally, don't care for rally or karts. I enjoy circuit racing with race cars, new and vintage, but not road cars (including new and vintage circuits). Although I appreciate the work involved with all the aspects of PC2, I have raced once in RX and never in the karts. I'd prefer to pay (less?) for the series that I enjoy... Just my two pennies worth.

cpcdem
12-09-2018, 11:30
I like the idea that Assetto Corsa Competizione are pursuing. One licence or series per game as opposed to a 'jack of all trades' approach. I, personally, don't care for rally or karts. I enjoy circuit racing with race cars, new and vintage, but not road cars (including new and vintage circuits). Although I appreciate the work involved with all the aspects of PC2, I have raced once in RX and never in the karts. I'd prefer to pay (less?) for the series that I enjoy... Just my two pennies worth.

I also don't care about rally or karts, but that's a very few of the more than 50 classes that PCARS2 offers...Road cars, can't possibly dislike them all, there's such an extreme span of different styles, have you tried the Caterham Seven, the KTM, the Ford Escort, the drift cars, Super cars, Hyper cars, "regular" cars, tried them all and found none to enjoy? Also there are formula cars, fun cars, track day cars, extreme cars, an incredible amount, how many of those you'd want to not have in the game? Not to mention that probably the most expensive thing for SMS to create is not the cars, but the also insanely huge amount of tracks offered out of the box. Pay even less than 60 euro? I think that this is already too little, even for the 1/10 of the content we have with PCARS2... Personally, only thing I would desperately love to see is fixes for the serious problems of the game, but apparently this is now obvious it will never happen, which to me is such a huge shame.

shiftee
12-09-2018, 14:53
I can only dream that the last piece of DLC is a surprise custom championship DLC. As I draw closer to finishing the career (only have indy and rally left), I worry that I will eventually grow bored of random one off races. If they figured out how to add AI to online championships or added even a bare bones custom offline championship (like the mod we had for Pcars1, to replace tracks etc) - I could play this for years until Pcars3 surfaces. Because I think it might be a while before we get 3, and thats "if" we get it...

hopefully they split teams and not everyone is working on fast and furious game

Stewy32
12-09-2018, 18:00
I like the idea that Assetto Corsa Competizione are pursuing. One licence or series per game as opposed to a 'jack of all trades' approach. I, personally, don't care for rally or karts. I enjoy circuit racing with race cars, new and vintage, but not road cars (including new and vintage circuits). Although I appreciate the work involved with all the aspects of PC2, I have raced once in RX and never in the karts. I'd prefer to pay (less?) for the series that I enjoy... Just my two pennies worth.

The thing is the series you enjoy are different to the series I enjoy, so by specialising you are decreasing your market as a game.Also, in things like PC2 you can find some surprising cars and tracks you turn out to enjoy, which you can't in ACC.

satco1066
12-09-2018, 22:41
I like the idea that Assetto Corsa Competizione are pursuing. One licence or series per game as opposed to a 'jack of all trades' approach. I, personally, don't care for rally or karts. I enjoy circuit racing with race cars, new and vintage, but not road cars (including new and vintage circuits). Although I appreciate the work involved with all the aspects of PC2, I have raced once in RX and never in the karts. I'd prefer to pay (less?) for the series that I enjoy... Just my two pennies worth.

I would state a Jack of Trade to Forza with over 700 cars.

But you compare 10 locations with just one layout per track and 15 cars to 60 location with 140 layouts overall and more than 200 cars.

Sure , pCars lacks 3 out of 10 tracks to create your own season of Blancpain, but there are even more GT3 cars.
If you say its cheaper, then this is wrong. If you directly break down the content of PC2 to that of ACC, ACC with its release price will be totally overpriced.
With your calculation it shouldn't then be more than €19,90 . Thats not possible.

IMHO ACC could get a great e-sports game, but casual gamers and sim racers will be bored by the lack of content very soon. And then leave it.

Bliman
12-09-2018, 23:17
To be honest I don't really care about the road cars.
Because to me the feeling is off.
You don't get the sensation of speed and you try to overcompensate by going faster, but because the brakes are worse.
You get in a situation where I don't like to drive it.
One thing (and certainly after seeing Assetto Corso Competitzione) that I really don't like is everything about the sound.
Everything is worse then PC1 in my view in that department, the replay sound, in-car, etc...
I would be much happier if instead another Dlc there would be a whole new soundpack or something.
Something to lift whole the game.
For me personally I would rather like that they nail 100% a couple of series instead of looking at RX and such.
And to me I don't mind if they have another go at it.
Because to me some things are still of in the physics and also how the kerbs feel, etc...
I feel there is much improvement to be made without getting bigger persé.

Flat-6
13-09-2018, 03:28
I am very happy with the current state of Project Cars 2.

Overall, I wish that the penalty system could be improved. I wish the penalty system to become smarter, more intelligent. It is such a frustration when I get bumped by somebody else and I receive a warning for bumping someone. Or when I have no choice but to drive off track around an on track crash scene and I get a slow down penalty warning. I wish the penalty system was bit more like iRacing, at least from a track limit point of view.

With the Project Cars series going forward, I am sure people have lots of ideas.

The one I will put forth and am a little concerned about is the variety of race cars in the game going forward. I still want to see this variety going forward!!! Group 4, Group 5, Group 6, Group C, GT1, GTO, Vintage Formula, Vintage Prototypes... You get the idea. I want to see these cars continue to be included in the series going forward. I am afraid that cars like the Group 6 Renault and Porsche, or the Group B (in game GTO class) ultra rare Porsche 961 won't be included in future iterations of Project Cars perhaps because they lack the popularity that the modern race cars have like the GT3, GTE and LMP class.

I really hope this will not be the case. It is so great to be able to "relive" these older race car era's especially on the vintage tracks they raced on.

So my request to SMS, please include these vintage cars and tracks in the future iteration of Project Cars or whatever future race simulator you may endeavor.

They are great!!! :)

Daz555
13-09-2018, 13:49
I can't see there being another PC on current gen consoles and let's say the new ones ship late in 2020. Well SMS and the publisher would want a decent player base before releasing a niche sim game. Mid 2022 I'd say at the earliest.

hkraft300
13-09-2018, 23:21
I can't see there being another PC on current gen consoles and let's say the new ones ship late in 2020. Well SMS and the publisher would want a decent player base before releasing a niche sim game. Mid 2022 I'd say at the earliest.

I doubt it. I think it'll release soon after the next consoles are out. It doesn't make sense to wait. Console sales will outrun pc3 sales on console anyway. Sim racers are a niche market.

MrMattNeo
14-09-2018, 03:27
I think going forward SMS should balance out the various disciplines some for multiplayer and the single player career. It seems what they've been trying to go for with the series is a jack-of-all trades game, this is what sold me on the game back when I bought a copy. What I think didn't go so well was that there was cars in the game that don't have much use, like some of the road cars and one-off cars like the NASCAR Ford Fusion and the drift cars. You can't use them in the career mode to my knowledge, and I've never seen anyone play with them online. It's cool they're there but there's either not enough to really set up a good race with what is there or you can't get other players to set up a game to use them.

RacingAtHome
14-09-2018, 04:22
I think going forward SMS should balance out the various disciplines some for multiplayer and the single player career. It seems what they've been trying to go for with the series is a jack-of-all trades game, this is what sold me on the game back when I bought a copy. What I think didn't go so well was that there was cars in the game that don't have much use, like some of the road cars and one-off cars like the NASCAR Ford Fusion and the drift cars. You can't use them in the career mode to my knowledge, and I've never seen anyone play with them online. It's cool they're there but there's either not enough to really set up a good race with what is there or you can't get other players to set up a game to use them.

On the Ford Fusion, they could easily (in terms of doing the same as everything else) do a series with Sonoma, Texas, Watkins Glen etc to replicate a NASCAR season to an extent. But there was talk of how that they're limited by licensing. I've seen a few people use the NASCAR at Daytona and it's good fun.

Out of curiosity, what would you do to promote the usage of the car online?

MrMattNeo
14-09-2018, 09:08
Out of curiosity, what would you do to promote the usage of the car online?

I don't know, that's why I made the post. :P I mean for PC3 I would hope they could do something like at least give each car class a "competitor" to make things more varied, maybe also add a vintage racing series or two to the career mode choices to introduce players to and garner some interest in the older cars instead of just having them as side events. The Dirt Rally games do something similar, though more complex than I'd expect from PC2, where they have the various classes split up in career mode so you can play through with 60's, 70's, Group B, etc.

hkraft300
14-09-2018, 11:47
I think league organisers should do more to promote and get their racers to experience and compete in more varied content. GT3 is the big draw it's popular it's high level and varied I get it, but something special happens when you get a bunch of high level GT3 racers in vintage or classic or 1 make cars. A lot of them fall apart because they can't adapt, and some GT mid-fielders really shine. Mixes it up and it's super interesting. I've watched this happen with rain races and night races and vintage races. Makes for a great show.

Markus Ott
14-09-2018, 12:31
Promoting things won't do the trick. Just have a look at iRacing and you see what sim racers want to race. It's not the top end race cars or vintage cars for most of the part, it's the series with the cars that offer a nice balance between speed and controllability. GT3 and IMSA/WEC style multiclass and low-mid class open wheelers. I understand that there are people and they have different interests, but with GT3, GTE, LMP2/DPi and a TCR class you could already catch at least 80% of all sim racers out there. Add F4, F3, GT4 and LMP1 and we are up to 90% easily. If leagues try to promote something else the same thing will happen like with public lobbies running something else than GT3: emptiness.

cpcdem
14-09-2018, 13:41
It is definitely possible to have such cars in leagues, just needs some organizing, main problem is knowing about those leagues. In TCSR we just had a successful league with Ford Escorts and are planning a new one with 2 of the not so popular cars (still to be decided/voted which ones). Earlier there was a very successful cross-club league with GT5s. IRL (https://www.internationalracingleague.com/) have had Ford Escort, BMW Procar leagues with many people on them, now they will also run GT5 and vintage Porsche vintage league. I am sure a lot other clubs are doing similar things, it's just so difficult to learn about the leagues that do such stuff, this is why I was hoping we could somehow introduce a centralized hub for leagues, where so many of the currently "invisible" leagues would be registered and advertised so people would know about.

Mahjik
14-09-2018, 14:02
I think going forward SMS should balance out the various disciplines some for multiplayer and the single player career. It seems what they've been trying to go for with the series is a jack-of-all trades game, this is what sold me on the game back when I bought a copy. What I think didn't go so well was that there was cars in the game that don't have much use, like some of the road cars and one-off cars like the NASCAR Ford Fusion and the drift cars. You can't use them in the career mode to my knowledge, and I've never seen anyone play with them online. It's cool they're there but there's either not enough to really set up a good race with what is there or you can't get other players to set up a game to use them.

Not every car brought into the title is done so for multiplayer racing. Some are just brought in for those that like to have fun offline or online non-racing fun. There are groups who go out and just do drifting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnoOoxi--M0

Just because you may not find use for every car, there are thousands of other users who may...

pcars rookie
14-09-2018, 14:02
Promoting things won't do the trick. Just have a look at iRacing and you see what sim racers want to race. It's not the top end race cars or vintage cars for most of the part, it's the series with the cars that offer a nice balance between speed and controllability. GT3 and IMSA/WEC style multiclass and low-mid class open wheelers. I understand that there are people and they have different interests, but with GT3, GTE, LMP2/DPi and a TCR class you could already catch at least 80% of all sim racers out there. Add F4, F3, GT4 and LMP1 and we are up to 90% easily. If leagues try to promote something else the same thing will happen like with public lobbies running something else than GT3: emptiness.

I agree Markus Ott.
I feel what Pcars is missing is an additional race structure similar to IRacing along with what they have now, where racers know when ,where,what, they are racing. This allows for practices along with races . Right now you are right people go into a public server not finding what they want in 10 seconds and then leave.
Pcars has everything working for them except for the race structure built in to the program.

Other than that i think SMS has done a fantastic job, Thank you

Cladandadum
14-09-2018, 15:19
Not every car brought into the title is done so for multiplayer racing. Some are just brought in for those that like to have fun offline or online non-racing fun. There are groups who go out and just do drifting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnoOoxi--M0

Just because you may not find use for every car, there are thousands of other users who may...

Thanks for posting this. Many of my most enjoyable moments have been on the vintage tracks and driving the vintage cars. I would venture to summize that the majority of console users are offline only and don't want to compete in GT3 multiplayer, racing the same handful of tracks. I could be wrong though.......

Rodders
15-09-2018, 11:02
I'd gladly pay another Ģ20 just for a series of new tracks. More cars are of course nice but put a wee team of track peeps aside just to do new tracks which can be sold and self profitable while other teams work on PCars3 or whatever is next for you SMS.

You know it makes sense ;)

TekNeil
15-09-2018, 15:12
I'm not a fan of seeing talk of PC3 myself, I don't like fast turn around on games. Look at the fan base AC has and how well it's done with the community behind it up until now with ACC. And even then I think the hardcore fans will stick with it. The use of SRS is massively helping that keep going IMO.

I think PC2 still has a LOT of potential, especially when it comes to league/events/e-sports type stuff. I'd love to see PC2 evolve more seriously into the e-sports side of things, with good backing from the team with events scheduled, promoted, live streamed etc. There are many platforms these days that could have dedicated channels for well structured events.

I know there are a good few leagues out there, but in reality all the average end user sees is a password protected lobby with a meaningless name for the most part. If the SMS team were more involved somehow maybe we'd see more 'Inviting' leagues that are known/of interest. I'm struggling to get across what I mean here lol.

I imagine a league submission form that enters leagues into a more serious state supported by SMS. Obviously with good rules/regs. Those leagues could then be promoted site wide/via the socials/via the streaming sites.

Then for the average end user, a GUI tweak to the lobby screen, maybe showing a logo to the side (SMS Supported) or similar...

Also, how about a DLC/Add on where people can purchase a 'Director/broadcaster' only type thing? The user would just have the ability to access races and spectate/broadcast/direct them. I know a couple of people who have streamed the game as a director/broadcaster but have never actually played.

Just some off the cuff thoughts that probably make no sense.

SaxonRaider
15-09-2018, 16:43
As TekNeil says it would be great to focus on bringing pCars into a competitor of iRacing when it comes to Online racing.

It would be good to see more hosted league races for all levels and abilities. I struggle to find any suitable online racing because I am not fast enough for current leagues, but I don't want to join the smashers in the U or Unlicensed lobbies.
If there were leagues we could join, amateur leagues if you will, with regular, online presence, I am sure more people would turn up.

Keena
15-09-2018, 16:49
Could be organised in championship format- almost like feeder series. Get enough racing points to progress to the next tier so good clean racing has a solid purpose in the way it does currently, but under an umbrella organisation with progression through championships driving ambition.

Cholton82
15-09-2018, 16:50
I don’t know how it would work and it’s probably a bad idea but couldn’t this forum run 3 leagues for each platform with sub leagues depending on skill level , as you get better and win races etc you move up through the leagues. We could organise races on here . I don’t know I’m just rambling ignore me

Cholton82
15-09-2018, 16:51
Could be organised in championship format- almost like feeder series. Get enough racing points to progress to the next tier so good clean racing has a solid purpose in the way it does currently, but under an umbrella organisation with progression through championships driving ambition.

This is what I was thinking but you’ve ninjad me :cool: ! I think you explain it better though

cpcdem
15-09-2018, 16:58
I struggle to find any suitable online racing because I am not fast enough for current leagues, but I don't want to join the smashers in the U or Unlicensed lobbies.

In general I agree with what you say, but the above is no problem at all. Most leagues have people with a very wide span of performance level, so you don't need to be very fast to join. Only usual requirement is that you race as cleanly and fairly as possible.

TekNeil
15-09-2018, 17:34
SNIP.....
but I don't want to join the smashers in the U or Unlicensed lobbies.
If there were leagues we could join, amateur leagues if you will, with regular, online presence, I am sure more people would turn up.


SNIP...
feeder series. Get enough racing points to progress to the next tier so good clean racing has a solid purpose in the way it does currently, but under an umbrella organisation with progression through championships driving ambition.



SNIP...
leagues depending on skill level , as you get better and win races etc you move up through the leagues.

Yep. Something solid with 'Tiered' progression (Like Football leagues?) alongside my initial idea of something put in place by SMS would be awesome. Obviously there would be a lot to think about such as the base name for such things, names of leagues, events, application to enter, etc etc...

Knockout races, divisions and more is all possible with the right backing and impetus. I suppose it depends on how far SMS want to take PC2 forward/into the future, and in fact whether or not this sort of thing is something they would be interested in at all.

Here's hoping for a 'Project Cars 2 Championship - Season 1' in the future!

Stewy32
15-09-2018, 18:03
I don’t know how it would work and it’s probably a bad idea but couldn’t this forum run 3 leagues for each platform with sub leagues depending on skill level , as you get better and win races etc you move up through the leagues. We could organise races on here . I don’t know I’m just rambling ignore me

I tried organising a forum thing not long ago and it didn't take off but I'll try again.

Keena
15-09-2018, 19:00
Trouble is some cant make every race in a championship so that needs some thought..

TexasTyme214
16-09-2018, 00:44
I still think the Custom Championship would work better if there was a lobby for them just like the online races. This way people you don't know can join the championship without having to make a forum post somewhere.

I'd love to see PC2 support continue. For the next Project Cars, I think a series license and a game that properly simulates the series would be best.

MrMattNeo
16-09-2018, 01:06
I think a series license and a game that properly simulates the series would be best.

Indycar Indycar Indycar pleeeaasseee :P

foxymop
16-09-2018, 03:05
The end of the road was a long time ago. When they stopped communicating, patches only in dlc releases and stopped showing the change log. After that, nothing have changed or been fixed. The dlcs were already made. They just touch pc2 to put the dlcs in the store.

Vic Flange
16-09-2018, 06:11
Trouble is some cant make every race in a championship so that needs some thought..

Some kind of system (like the old F1 Championship) where say your best six out of nine races are what count towards the championship. So you could afford to miss 3 races but still have a chance to win.

warth0g
16-09-2018, 13:04
I also think that PCars3 will come out when the new consoles come along. If I haven’t made the switch to PC by then, I’ll buy the new PS4 just to be able to play PCars. However I’m toying with a buying a PC again, just for sim racing. If I do, then I can see myself going back to iracing. There’s lots I prefer about PCars, but the organized multiplayer and license system is something that PCars lacks entirely.

I think that has to be a priority for SMS. AC and GT have focused on multiplayer with their new releases which has to be some sort of a clue. For me, I can see me running out of patience with a game that doesn’t have more structure around enabling people of a similar skill set, with similar tastes in series to race together. Public lobbies are hopeless and right now, I can’t find a community league that would work for me in my time zone (central time). Even if I could, it would probably still miss out on the licensing which is so critical.

I love this sim, I really do, but IMHO, organized, licensed multiplayer is critical for success for whatever’s next for PCars.

Lord_Flexington
18-09-2018, 13:54
I hope its not the end. Im not that impressed with what we got so far. I've been in and out for a few months. No new TCR or WTCR cars added, online lobby system still is backwards (only 20 lobbies at a time??) No rooms?

Ps4 user as well so we are just kinda handtied. Yea I can race the AI on 100 and thats fun but I want to race others without having to block out 1-2 hours for a league race or be locked into one car make becasue the host left and now we cant change cars.

LUN4T1C
19-09-2018, 08:52
It could be a new dawn, at least for many of the leagues, if they released the mods.txt file for us.

There's so many people waiting for this, among all the top leagues.

Adding custom liveries makes the game more immersive, adds new excitement, and will regenerate interest again.

I make fun of the new F1 game saying how can a racing game not include VR. But on the other hand, I feel the same way about PCars2, saying how can a racing game not include custom liveries.

It's been a year (next week), and we're still here and loyal to PCars2. Reward us with mod.txt please!
I would love to mod some of the car sounds to be more realistic..Talking about sounds like gear box whine etc. It seems a lot of cars just have engine sound.

sas5320
20-09-2018, 00:32
Wonder how much longer they will keep this forum running before locking it up and saying "Thanks for your support and make sure to look for our next titles!"

TexasTyme214
20-09-2018, 01:29
I feel that this might be the end, although that's not what I want, because it seems like they make much more money releasing a new game than pushing DLC that some people may not want. DLC sales are always less than the game sales.

cpcdem
20-09-2018, 01:57
There is very good indication that this is not the end quite yet...

https://steamdb.info/app/378860/depots/

Sentry87
20-09-2018, 02:17
Yup, remember there could be further patching and goty dlc

Maskmagog
20-09-2018, 10:39
My guess is at least one more patch. They are going to use this as a base for PC3, so it makes sense to get rid of as many remaining bugs as possible. With the esports ambition it's also important to get the online as stable as possible.
RS Dash creator mentioned before last patch that the issues keeping him and others, such as Crew Chief, from using PC2 UDP protocol was marked as "needs to be fixed". Not fixed in patch 7, hopefully in next.

Edit: PC3 is probably not released on current gen consoles, unless X1X and PS4 Pro only. Which probably isn't possible. So PC2 will be the current title for a few years still?

PostBox981
20-09-2018, 10:57
To be perfectly honest: Me personally I donīt need any more DLCs as the current content could give me years of joy to come. Itīs just that I believe the game will be regarded as "being dead" once patch support and DLCs will stop. That would make many people move on to something else like ACC though I donīt see much improvement over PC2 there.

I donīt want people to move on, I hope I can stay with what we have for a long long time. SMS please keep this gem alive!

cpcdem
20-09-2018, 12:31
To be perfectly honest: Me personally I donīt need any more DLCs as the current content could give me years of joy to come. Itīs just that I believe the game will be regarded as "being dead" once patch support and DLCs will stop. That would make many people move on to something else like ACC though I donīt see much improvement over PC2 there.

I donīt want people to move on, I hope I can stay with what we have for a long long time. SMS please keep this gem alive!

I think it's the bugs and problems that still keep people out. Otherwise, now that AC development has officially ended, ACC will only offer 20 cars and 10 tracks and other sims well they look like a generation at least behind, there's no other reason really preventing PCARS2 to become the standard go to racing platform for the next years, until the next generation of consoles/GPUs. But the problems must be fixed for that to happen...

lurkusmaximus
20-09-2018, 13:15
Here is an idea. They could offer free optional DLC, which contains proof of concept or prototype code for features/content they are considering for PC3. That would allow them to get feedback from the community about how they feel about the feature. Did it demonstrate the new feature sufficiently well to get the point across, and would this be significant enough with further development to warrant inclusion in PC3? This approach is viable if there is a simple way to enable/disable the experimental code so people who use it don't have to go through an uninstall cycle when they want to play the standard game, or in the worst case, return to stability.

Just a thought.

Invincible
20-09-2018, 13:25
Here is an idea. They could offer free optional DLC, which contains proof of concept or prototype code for features/content they are considering for PC3. That would allow them to get feedback from the community about how they feel about the feature. Did it demonstrate the new feature sufficiently well to get the point across, and would this be significant enough with further development to warrant inclusion in PC3? This approach is viable if there is a simple way to enable/disable the experimental code so people who use it don't have to go through an uninstall cycle when they want to play the standard game, or in the worst case, return to stability.

Just a thought.

Cost wise, this would be awfully ineffective. Some functionality might not work at all with how the engine of PC2 is set up and you cannot simply replace the underlying core engine with just some dlc. Especially if it's supposed to be free.

PostBox981
20-09-2018, 16:11
Here is an idea. They could offer free optional DLC, which contains proof of concept or prototype code for features/content they are considering for PC3. That would allow them to get feedback from the community about how they feel about the feature. Did it demonstrate the new feature sufficiently well to get the point across, and would this be significant enough with further development to warrant inclusion in PC3? This approach is viable if there is a simple way to enable/disable the experimental code so people who use it don't have to go through an uninstall cycle when they want to play the standard game, or in the worst case, return to stability.

Just a thought.
I wouldnīt mind to pay for it. Any DLC car that transfers to PC3 is good news to me.

Plato99
22-09-2018, 16:19
The track roster on this game is nothing short of incredible. What I’d like to see are more cars to pad out the field. Something to race the Lotus 49 against like a Cooper, BRM, Honda RA300, Ferrari 312 etc.

foxymop
22-09-2018, 17:32
I think it's the bugs and problems that still keep people out.

It's more the lack of bug fixing and problem solving.
Every game has bugs and problems, but the bigger problem is when they don't fix the bugs or the problems, for what ever reason.
And that's why I think pc 3 won't came out very soon, cause fool me once with PC 1, fool me twice with PC 2... And it would be bought by fans only.

Mike1304
23-09-2018, 07:33
It's more the lack of bug fixing and problem solving.
Every game has bugs and problems, but the bigger problem is when they don't fix the bugs or the problems, for what ever reason.
And that's why I think pc 3 won't came out very soon, cause fool me once with PC 1, fool me twice with PC 2... And it would be bought by fans only.
I don‘t feel fooled with PC2 at all. It‘s the perfect VR-racing game for me. Even better than AC in VR. Can‘t wait how ACC will compete when it gets VR support in October...

hkraft300
23-09-2018, 14:10
Every game has bugs and problems, but the bigger problem is when they don't fix the bugs or the problems, for what ever reason.


When's the last time you played pc2? 2017?
Still here talking trash :glee:

Stewy32
23-09-2018, 15:07
It's more the lack of bug fixing and problem solving.
Every game has bugs and problems, but the bigger problem is when they don't fix the bugs or the problems, for what ever reason.
And that's why I think pc 3 won't came out very soon, cause fool me once with PC 1, fool me twice with PC 2... And it would be bought by fans only.

Erm...they have fixed all but one of the bugs and issues I have encountered, and the majority of those that exist. Everyone that buys a game is a fan, as they must have some attraction to get it. And if you refer to "Project CARS 2 fanboys" then a lot more people than just those will buy the next installment , and the one after that, and the one after that.

PC3 will probably release around late 2020, along with the next generation of consoles.

Markus Ott
23-09-2018, 15:47
Here is an idea. They could offer free optional DLC, which contains proof of concept or prototype code for features/content they are considering for PC3. That would allow them to get feedback from the community about how they feel about the feature. Did it demonstrate the new feature sufficiently well to get the point across, and would this be significant enough with further development to warrant inclusion in PC3? This approach is viable if there is a simple way to enable/disable the experimental code so people who use it don't have to go through an uninstall cycle when they want to play the standard game, or in the worst case, return to stability.

Just a thought.

Now I like that idea! Of course if SMS wants to move on there may be features and ideas you can't just implement in pCARS2, but my guess is that the physics engine will be an evolution of the current engine so they could implement reworked physics, suspension refinements and different base setups into pCARS2 to test out how the changes feel and work. Don't overwrite any current cars and classes, but offer a new "prototype testing" class where you can find all cars SMS wants people to test out, like for example an overhauled AMG GT3. Everyone can decide for himself if he wants to test the physics evolution or just play pCARS2 and moreover everyone can have a direct comparision between the original pCARS2 AMG GT3 and the reworked AMG GT3. Same goes for FFB or track surface details. The earlier we start working on the physics evolution the better the result will be at the end and it may restore some trust into SMS.

hkraft300
23-09-2018, 22:05
I don't think it's so much the physics bugs that SMS gets ragged for. Honestly some things look well advanced that people might think it's buggy but it's very accurate. Like sticky modern rubber on older cars that make people think the car is inaccurate from their lap times, when in fact they're using much better rubber than what is period correct. It's cool to have modern rubber for vintage cars and vice versa: its a cool sim experiment and you can tell SMS are engineering and race car geeks which is incredible. Their vision though is usually far beyond the scope of the average sim racer, because while the sim racer is comparing lap times, SMS is like "check this out look what this car can do on modern rubber it's amazing" or "we reverse engineered this and wow the original designers of the car were really clever, check this out!"
I think SMS can of course further improve the physics but to implement beta physics into pc2 could be a major headache. Demos and beta releases for pc3 if they're flush? Sure, but it's not the same as a major title because sim racing is a small, miniscule corner of the market.

The UI bugs are the most apparent to users and it makes the game look unpolished. Once you see an obvious glitch you start to look for more.

Alex White
24-09-2018, 02:26
Like sticky modern rubber on older cars that make people think the car is inaccurate from their lap times, when in fact they're using much better rubber than what is period correct.

Is there a list anywhere with cars that have the "Vintage" Tyre option anywhere?

hkraft300
24-09-2018, 08:14
Is there a list anywhere with cars that have the "Vintage" Tyre option anywhere?

Not sure, but the vintage prototype a+b cars apparently run accurate to life lap times on the low grip all-terrain tires! The track tires on them aren't period correct I believe.

foxymop
24-09-2018, 19:51
When's the last time you played pc2? 2017?
Still here talking trash :glee:

Still. You still like to get wrecked in here, I see.

But seeing you have almost 8000 posts here, I bet you never played PC2. At least is what it seems every time I see you in the tracks. :biggrin-new:
And I see you're you're still not a moderator! That's sad!

Vic Flange
24-09-2018, 21:11
Is there a list anywhere with cars that have the "Vintage" Tyre option anywhere?

Lotus 49 has a vintage tyre option. Brilliant fun but you can’t force the AI to have the same tyres. :(

Stewy32
25-09-2018, 15:24
Still. You still like to get wrecked in here, I see.

But seeing you have almost 8000 posts here, I bet you never played PC2. At least is what it seems every time I see you in the tracks. :biggrin-new:
And I see you're you're still not a moderator! That's sad!

I can guarantee you I have played PC2 a lot, and if you aren't sure I can show you videos of me league racing.

And I can tell you hkraft speaks more of the truth in one informative post then you have in all 277 of your trash talking ones.

hkraft300
25-09-2018, 21:15
I can guarantee you I have played PC2 a lot, and if you aren't sure I can show you videos of me league racing.

And I can tell you hkraft speaks more of the truth in one informative post then you have in all 277 of your trash talking ones.

I like to think foxymop is trolling. Just taking the piss, stirring, commenting for a rise and just having a laugh (albeit to himself only).
The alternative is a scary prospect for those involved in his life.
A guy at my work was like that. He'd bullied and abused several good colleagues til they left, and thinks himself fully entitled to have treated those people in that manner.

Back to topic: any word on the next gen consoles? I'm not up with that news. I was talking suspension dynamics with one of my tutors (I thought he's a young kid but turns out he's worked on rally and LMP projects!). I think if SMS makes a jump like that did from pc1-2, for tuner geeks like me it's an exciting prospect.

Alex White
25-09-2018, 23:58
Lotus 49 has a vintage tyre option. Brilliant fun but you can’t force the AI to have the same tyres. :(

Posts like this are not safe. May have just had the most fun i've had in ages round old Spa. Cheers mate!

hkraft300
26-09-2018, 00:46
You must try the vintage prototype b little Porsche on all terrain tires. I had a blast lapping Imola. It's not overly powerful and the terrain tires just much the car perfectly.