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Fiyah
06-06-2020, 07:43
https://24virtual.lemansesports.com/

This is taking place in the world of rFactor 2, 13-14 June.

Isn't P.cars 2 better than rFactor 2 ?

David Wright
06-06-2020, 08:30
https://24virtual.lemansesports.com/

This is taking place in the world of rFactor 2, 13-14 June.

Isn't P.cars 2 better than rFactor 2 ?

As an overall package, especially taking into consideration price, my opinion is PC2 is better than rF2.

However, for an on-line 24 hour race, rF2 is a much better choice than PC2. It has driver swaps which are essential (hopefully bugs fixed now). It can support more than 32 cars online I believe, useful for Le Mans. It also has a more up to date laser scanned version of Le Mans (at some cost). In terms of car line-up the recent arrival of the Ferrari means they have a pretty good GTE line-up (again, not cheap). The LMP line-up is thinner and missed the flagship LMP1.

For me the interesting thing is they managed to get this event ahead of iRacing, which has the large on-line grids, the laser scanned track, a proven track record of 24 hour on-line racing, a good field of GTEs and LMP1s. Iracing just lacks current LMP2s and 3s I think.

plabersins
07-06-2020, 01:30
I've heard that every time they have tried to host a large-scale endurance race in the past, it's gone horribly wrong, so it'll be interesting to see if they've fixed it this time around.

rich1e I
07-06-2020, 17:34
What was the drama that unfolded a few days ago? Not sure if I get it. The 24h of Le Mans account issued a statement on Twitter saying that the event organized by ACO should be the only virtual 24h of Le Mans race that weekend and that every other event is misinformation in order to create confusion. :confused: Are they thinking they're the first organizers to hold a virtual 24h of Le Mans race?

BabyDriver
07-06-2020, 18:58
I’m not sure it is a better game that is needed for endurance racing, but a better internet!

Low global ping and bulletproof package transmission isn’t really in the hands of game developers... maybe Starlink will fix it all, but that’s a hell of a long way off.

Shepard2603
08-06-2020, 07:16
You can grab the popcorn and watch rF2 burn down next weekend if they stick to the plan.
There were two 24h Le Mans races in the last two weeks. The first got red flagged two times due to failing driver swaps. The other one was called after a red flag (due to failing driver swaps and massive stutters for some drivers), as the race director (employee of S397 btw), was not able to fix the grid for the restart.

It's a shame, really. rF2 is great in many ways, but it is also flawed as hell in some crucial points. It's always a gamble when doing endurance races with it.

BabyDriver
13-06-2020, 23:59
The bugs continue. Alonso gets a drive through as he comes in for a needed pit stop and the game won’t let him do the pitstop first and then the drive through on the next lap.

So he’s out until the live stewards allow him to rejoin after sixty laps of trying to figure it out. He was bumped up to only six laps behind, but even that feels harsh given the pit delta..!

So, just in case anyone felt any game was ready for primetime, another fiasco...

Asturbo
14-06-2020, 08:00
More people blaming about bugs...
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David Wright
14-06-2020, 08:27
Visually its definitely an improvement over rF2 of old. The cars don't look very natural as they bounce over curbs but with netcode this must be difficult to do well. Having the "real" commentators adds a great deal. The red flag when the server went down (or whatever happened) was handled by them pretty well. The GTE BOP seems poor. Now BOP is always hard but doing it for just one circuit simplifies things in theory and I can't see Ferrari being very impressed. Shame they seem to have opted out of rain.

Still, very brave of Studio 397 to put this on. The pressure must be enormous.

rich1e I
14-06-2020, 18:01
Despite the issues with the game and the servers, the ACO and all involved did an outstanding job. Very professional, Martin Haven surely is one of the best commentators out there, and Allan McNish, you just have to love his accent. All in all it was a great event, rFactor2 really looking good.

David Wright
14-06-2020, 20:44
And they have been rewarded in the sales charts.280017

PC2 sales are still holding up well, even after the recent sale. Maybe those YouTube ads for PC3 are having an effect :)

AMS2 running at #19 - it hasn't taken off yet.

rich1e I
14-06-2020, 21:41
Of course providing the platform for such a huge event and get the exposure has to be the best advertising opportunity ever. i think people are shocked by what modern software is capable of. Some of the motorsport folks had never heard of Twitch before the Covid-crisis. These people travel the world all year, they didn't know what going on in the sim racing world. Many pros are also gamers and sim racers ofc but not the commentators and the guys and gals in the governing bodies. At some point people actually forget that it's just the virtual 24h of Le Mans. When one of the Corvettes pitted and restarted you could hear the rumble of the V8 and Martin Haven said he was absolutely loving it. They were deeply impressed.

ShadowFalcon
15-06-2020, 12:17
Of course providing the platform for such a huge event and get the exposure has to be the best advertising opportunity ever. i think people are shocked by what modern software is capable of. Some of the motorsport folks had never heard of Twitch before the Covid-crisis. These people travel the world all year, they didn't know what going on in the sim racing world. Many pros are also gamers and sim racers ofc but not the commentators and the guys and gals in the governing bodies. At some point people actually forget that it's just the virtual 24h of Le Mans. When one of the Corvettes pitted and restarted you could hear the rumble of the V8 and Martin Haven said he was absolutely loving it. They were deeply impressed.

Hell, the same can be said about the older generation of motorsports fans, like my dad.

He had nothing but disdain for the idea of e-sports before this, but he watched the Virtual Le Mans, and he was amazed at the level of fidelity that was possible with today's computers, and he at times forgot that, this was a sim race.

I think it can be said that, Le Mans Virtual really catapulted Sim Racing into the public spotlight in a good way.

BabyDriver
17-06-2020, 17:00
I’m not sure it actually is in a good way... The problem is that glaring issues are basically ignored or glibly excused while COVID provides a captive audience with no options to tune out.

Sure, anyone fresh to simming might be impressed by visual fluff and decent sounds (in truth, I doubt anyone watching other than race game players had seen any in game footage since GT4 days!) but anyone that into racing should also be shocked at how badly stewarded most race contact behavior was, being excused because of limited peripheral vision or netcode issues etc..

For me, that was the a absolutely immersion breaking detail. I could handle server crashes (real races have red flags too!) but the level of unawareness (and aggressive contact in other sim series as well) was of a level to put it all into the video game field, not sport simulation. A soccer game that allowed players to pick up the ball and run with it would be laughed out of the room if it tried to tout itself as a simulation.

But race contact was blithely glossed over with a shrug most of the time (Lando, anyone?) and in real racing, this is the #1 concern.

Maybe if we ever get a sim series that mandates full VR (or at least full triple monitor rigs), we might get driving standards up to full immersion level for actual race fans, but while drivers drive around with virtually no vision and get largely excused for the consequences of it, no amount of visual eye candy and professional commentary and packaging (or more stable netcode) is going to keep fans coming back once there’s a real racing scene.

rich1e I
17-06-2020, 21:24
I certainly didn't watch the whole race, but the stewards did hand out drive throughs to a couple of teams. Also, I highly doubt the awareness is bad and i doubt that most pros weren't at least on XL curved screens.

BabyDriver
28-06-2020, 01:31
I certainly didn't watch the whole race, but the stewards did hand out drive throughs to a couple of teams. Also, I highly doubt the awareness is bad and i doubt that most pros weren't at least on XL curved screens.

The vast amount of contact was blithely ignored. Yes, the absolute worst of it got some attention, but I have to say, I never was a huge BTCC fan, I’ve always been more a WEC, ALMS and F1 type fan. Low contact, high consequences.

Even an ultrawide doesn’t give you the FOV that triples do, and that’s the only thing short of VR that offers real life drivers an almost true to life FOV. I saw plenty of drivers on single screen systems, and it’s the mix of different screen types that exacerbates the problem, as someone on a triple expects the same degree of awareness from someone they may not know only has an ultrawide or even a 16:9.

I hate to say it, but the minute real racing starts back up I will be completely uninterested in watching pros race virtually. I’ll still watch the occasional league race on YouTube, that’s friends and players like me. But until online figures out how to get the level of contact and awareness equal to real life, I will be giving ‘pro’ simming a wide berth.