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    Lotus 49 very strange (tire 1967 issue?)

    Am I the only one that finds the Lotus 49 and it's 1967 tire extremely weird? I mean, it is odd how little bite it has even when the weight is shifted forward by either releasing the throttle (and I've turned engine to full breaking!) or applying just a tiny bit of breaking pressure. In fact, it seems to be turning WORSE when it gets a tiny bit loaded.

    It is a very strange and unintuitive car. I did drive it back in early 2014 and thought it was pretty good but as it is now, with the default tire and setup, it's just extremely strange. The oddities do not end with the tire either.. the FFB is all messed up and is a lot higher on default than any other car. Also, having Fx set to 50% damping shows that there is indeed something very weird going on with the tire.

    I really hope Doug has a chance to take a look at it.. it just isn't fun at all to drive. Just a tiny bit more "bite" to the tire under loading would help it tremendously. I'm NOT expecting it to drive like a slick or modern tire but the way it drives now doesn't correlate at all with various videos of how the car is supposed to drive. It's a shame as I remember the car being exceptionally fun.

    Will now go test the other tires.. but at least the 1967 Hard compound tire is very odd.
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    I found the same thing with the tyre seeming to behave even worse when slightly loaded from lifting off/braking the other day, completely unintuitive. I had an awful couple laps around Brands Hatch short trying to get my head around it before I went back to my ever trusty Lotus 72D.
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    I'm hesitant to touch it, but i will say i agree. Its not what i would expect from the car on the tires it was supposed to run on in 1967 either. I've got bigger fish to fry right now, but i might have a look at it when things calm down.
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    It's just that the weird way you actually lose grip when moving weight on the wheels seems more like a bug than an intended feature. Well, if you have a chance to take a look at it some time it would be great. It's such a great iconic car.
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    I've now driven the 1968 Medium tire and while it is indeed a lot better around the track (as expected) it still has the lack of weight transfer / weight load issue. You get basically zero benefit during turning by shifting the weight forward. It just is very subtle (at least it is there, unlike the 1967 tire that actually turns worse the more load you get on it).
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    There's something really odd with AJ's tires. Is there a FFB output multiplier per tire type?? I always thought that the more grip you have, the harder the FFB will be.. on a per car basis (as I know there is a multiplier for each car). However, when running the 1972 slick on the Lotus 49 my FFB becomes a whole lot weaker. Significantly weaker in fact.. backed up by the FFB telemetry. Yet I do have quite a bit of grip available through the corners. Compared to the 1970 tire the FFB is very weak.

    What is going on here? FFB multiplier per tire? The 1972 tire seems also to be the only one of the vintage series tires for the lotus 49 that actually has proper grip increase during weight loading of the tire. Overall the experience of driving on these various tires isn't all that great.. it's overshadowed by constant "wtf is going here?" moments.
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    I mentioned all this months ago in relation to whacky tires and vast differences in ffb between each of the tires (possibly on other forum), so no, you're not the only one, but at least you got a response. My comments just went through to the keeper as usual.
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    i can say i'm not able to drive it ehehe. I tried it in the community event, i was able to put something like 2 valid laps out of 10. I recorded a super slow 1.12 with ABS on. For my low-end capabilities it feels undriveable.

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    I've gotten it to where I'm pretty comfortable in it and can have a lot of fun with it with those tyres, but they're not as nice as some of the tyres we had in development IMO, sort of feeling off in many situations.
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