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    Sounded more like sarcasm to me...anyway...putting a smiley in,here and there,could help a lot in regards of people knowing when you're serious or just joking around...
    A misunderstood post can cause quite a havoc as you might well know...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Konan View Post
    Sounded more like sarcasm to me...anyway...putting a smiley in,here and there,could help a lot in regards of people knowing when you're serious or just joking around...
    A misunderstood post can cause quite a havoc as you might well know...
    Yea... I don't know if you remember the Automobilista thread... lel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synystr View Post
    I was being ironic... lol.

    #1 Issue with PCARS community is everyone is so uptight all the time... Lets all just breathe together! Maybe get in the child pose and crack a brew... ffs.
    It's not just pCARS community. It's the Sim Racing community in general..... check out other forums/Facebook pages and you'll see what I mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Bell View Post
    We're building a very comprehensive ratings based system into pCARS2. You can choose the 'quality' of the people you prefer to race with/against. We have much more coming in this vein but I don't want to steal the thunder from the upcoming announcements.
    This is great news. I've been avoiding any online racing with pCars because I have had nothing but bad experiences with the groups I've raced with. I have been sim racing for about 12 years and I'm kind of picky about who I race with so I only race offline now. This is a positive step.

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    For Project Cars (1) you can use HamsterStew witch rates drivers and kick rammers and badly rated drivers.
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    While I fully support the inclusion of driver ratings, I hope everyone here understands that it will NOT eliminate the issue of rammers.

    Everyone holds iRacing and their driver rating in such high regard as the be all and end all of how to control rammers. Well the truth is that while it reduces them, it does NOT eliminate them. I joined iRacing in November in order to participate in their full endurance events. In order to get my ratings up fast enough it meant doing a LOT of racing at all license levels. Well, I encountered just as much poor race craft from Class A licensed drivers as I did from Rookie rated drivers. And unfortunately, just like pCARS does now, it does not differentiate causing contact from receiving contact or being pushed off track from deliberately driving off track. In other words, I still got punished for someone else's bad driving.

    So while driver ratings is a great idea and a step in the right direction, please don't assume that it will automagically fix the online rammer issue.

    Unfortunately no one has yet been able to patent a technology that allows us to fix stupidity.
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    I don't see how, until AI is sufficiently advanced that it can act as a race director/steward fairly/consistently, a driver rating system will continue to disappoint.
    I'll have off days where my driver rating may plummet from spinning off track, but I'll more often wreck myself before taking out another car. Better chance to avoid damage, the way i see it.
    Anyway, point is I'll continue to look for and race with a good bunch over relying on a rating system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F1_Racer68 View Post
    While I fully support the inclusion of driver ratings, I hope everyone here understands that it will NOT eliminate the issue of rammers.

    Everyone holds iRacing and their driver rating in such high regard as the be all and end all of how to control rammers. Well the truth is that while it reduces them, it does NOT eliminate them. I joined iRacing in November in order to participate in their full endurance events. In order to get my ratings up fast enough it meant doing a LOT of racing at all license levels. Well, I encountered just as much poor race craft from Class A licensed drivers as I did from Rookie rated drivers. And unfortunately, just like pCARS does now, it does not differentiate causing contact from receiving contact or being pushed off track from deliberately driving off track. In other words, I still got punished for someone else's bad driving.

    So while driver ratings is a great idea and a step in the right direction, please don't assume that it will automagically fix the online rammer issue.

    Unfortunately no one has yet been able to patent a technology that allows us to fix stupidity.
    That's interesting to know, but clearly there is a difference between people making mistakes and idiots who go online specifically to ruin other people's races and that is the real problem. The intent is the real issue here and that is what plagues online racing.

    As an organiser of previous online racing leagues, this has been at the forefront for me for many years, and it really kills the online racing potential for these games. Sure there are many regulars who still use the online but there are many, many drivers who would participate and don't because of these frustrations. Quite a lot of people don't get on regularly enough to join a league of clean drivers, they just want to jump on now and then and race clean, this is the area that needs attention.

    I think with idea of a rating to separate drivers is great, it may not be flawless but as long as it is effective for the most part, it might just work.
    Generally, the harder you make it for idiots to join in, the less they do it. Whether that means paying a bit more for exclusive racing lobbies or a reputation system, it will all help in the end
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    Like I said, it's definitely a step in the right direction and it will help. I just wanted to make sure people realize it's not going to completely solve the issue. Poor race craft will still be encountered, because there are always ways to "cheat the system". People will figure out ways to quickly and easily gain high ratings without actually working at learning proper race craft. It will address 75% - 80% of the issues but it won't be the cure many here seem to think it will be.
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    +1 don't get your hopes up.
    It'll solve some issues but best way is still to find a group you trust to race with.
    Plenty of good racers here on this forum and in the many leagues you can go wheel to wheel, bumper to bumper lap after lap. I've raced with Tasman racing, raceonoz, see the air, ministry of speed, they're all great guys. The sim racing community is growing. Get out there check out the MP section of your platform, don't be shy and make some nerdy motorsport geek sim racing friends
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