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    Patch 6.0

    Ok, so the new patch has been out for a while. I have tested it mainly with GT3s. My initial finding in TT is that the Soft slicks are quick on the 1st lap out. Easy grip and control, at least with the Renault R.S. 01 GT3. Using the same setup as before I improved, with the Hard slicks I was considerably slower so I either need to change the setup or run many more laps. This is the first time I have ever been able to use Soft slicks. Maybe that is the way it should be, use Softs for a couple of quick laps in TT and Qualifying and Hard for racing?

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    Oh, well I tried the Huracan and I couldn't get Soft tires to work at all with my old setup, so WTF. The LMS was only a tenth off with Hard tires. Ok, so for not very good drivers like my self this means I will be starting over again, maybe I can get better.

    On the plus side I was able to drive the Radical SR8-RX on Default albeit slowly. Not sure why though.

    Ok, I ran 3 laps and easily beat my previous PB/WR with Hard tires, so Soft tires are off the table for TT once again, at least for me.
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    Aston Martin GT3, almost a WR but a big improvement for me over my PB using Hard tires.
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    Last edited by blinkngone; 04-06-2018 at 17:22.
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    Why are hards at Silverstone faster than softs? A hot track i get why hards are faster but a cool Brit track you'd expect softs to be quicker right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UkHardcore23 View Post
    Why are hards at Silverstone faster than softs? A hot track i get why hards are faster but a cool Brit track you'd expect softs to be quicker right?
    Silverstone has many medium fast to fast corners. It's quite heavy on the tires.
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    and track is pretty hot...and comparing two different cars...and you guys look way to much into the tires. Gone are the days of softs are faster, hards are slow. Pick the tire depending on conditions, track, and strategy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UkHardcore23 View Post
    Why are hards at Silverstone faster than softs? A hot track i get why hards are faster but a cool Brit track you'd expect softs to be quicker right?
    Hi, well I was able to make 1 good lap with the Soft tires but that was it, I would have to be able to get everything working on that 1 lap. By the end of the 2nd lap I was showing a considerable wear pattern due to the camber I was using on the front tires. So pretty much out lap and done with the Soft tires, not even an outlap and a qualifying lap was possible. Now with the 5.0 Patch Decatur Playa was able to get the Soft tires to work for him so we will have to wait and see if he feels the same with 6.0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beetes_juice View Post
    and track is pretty hot...and comparing two different cars...and you guys look way to much into the tires. Gone are the days of softs are faster, hards are slow. Pick the tire depending on conditions, track, and strategy.
    building on this, car setup will also play a role in tire choice.

    Some cars will work the tires more than others based on spring/damper settings, suspension geometry, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AbeWoz View Post
    building on this, car setup will also play a role in tire choice.

    Some cars will work the tires more than others based on spring/damper settings, suspension geometry, etc.
    Yes, I typically use high front and rear camber with the R.S. 01 which is why I saw the excessive wear with the Soft tire.
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    When I went to the Aston I had already given up on the Soft tires, I had more camber in my setup.
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    Mercedes AMG GT, not great but a new PB for me, this is my best GT3. New tires will help people like me.
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    Huracan. Meh, but better.
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    Huracan, up to 2nd. Of course if someone else ran the new tires I would be down again.
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    AM GT3 WR thanks to Patch 6.0.
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    Last edited by blinkngone; 05-06-2018 at 00:32.
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    Well this thread is likely to be really short compared to the 5.0 thread, which is good. The one thing I have noticed is that I have to change my setups to get them to work with the new tires, a perfectly reasonable trade-off for the improved performance. For me personally I don't feel the need for as much camber because I have more confidence in the grip than patch 5.0. I would compare the handling to the patch 5.0 GTE cars now where you can adjust your lines mid corner without severely impacting the corner. Also more people should be able to drive around on the Default setups now. Tuning the LSD should be easier for the average driver/tuners as well.
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    Hey guys im finding im much much quicker on Hards, Last night i ran 20 laps at Oulton & Laguna Seca 10 laps each on the tyres. At Oulton i was a massive 1.7 seconds quicker on Hards and Laguna 1.5 Seconds. My problem with Hards though is im sliding round the corners and when im watching the replay the AI is glued to the road while cornering while im sliding round every corner. How do i stop the slides as id imagine i'd be way quicker if i can get the tires more planted... it also looks odd on replays as you could imagine with 17 other cars glued and me going round corners half sideways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UkHardcore23 View Post
    Hey guys im finding im much much quicker on Hards, Last night i ran 20 laps at Oulton & Laguna Seca 10 laps each on the tyres. At Oulton i was a massive 1.7 seconds quicker on Hards and Laguna 1.5 Seconds. My problem with Hards though is im sliding round the corners and when im watching the replay the AI is glued to the road while cornering while im sliding round every corner. How do i stop the slides as id imagine i'd be way quicker if i can get the tires more planted... it also looks odd on replays as you could imagine with 17 other cars glued and me going round corners half sideways.
    Hi, that's good that you have been able to get the Hard tires working. You didn't mention what setup you are using, I am assuming you are just using Defaults.

    Let's look at the suspension.
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    Notice that the changes are front camber and rear ARB. Depending on the car you could try reducing the rear ARB first to reduce the sliding but sometimes a slight slide is just a quicker way around a corner. If you are not abusing the left rear tire in right hand corners and can control the pressure build up a slight slide may be ok. The next thing is a slight increase in rear camber and then the power ramp angle increase.
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