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    Quote Originally Posted by zzjorzz View Post
    Ok, next set of questions

    -Can you better get a I5 6800 6-core or a I7 7700 4 core?
    -Should I spend 70 euro more on a 1070TI instead of a 1070
    -Is gigabye a solid brand?
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    It depends, they are actually fairly comparative in performance, even thought the i7 is a beefier cpu, the slight increase in cache and particularily the two additional cores in the new generation bridges the gap.
    The main real world difference is perhaps the i7 will consume more power while running, and need slightly more cooling. But if you aren't overclocking this, or packing it into a very small case with low airflow it should not be an issue.

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    Again it depends, I find the benefits on paper for the 1070ti to not be enough, and the price difference between it and the actual step up to the 1080 to small.
    This of course depends on prices where you are but where I am the 1070 goes for a bout 460, 1070ti for 500 and the 1080 for 560.
    And with the 1080 you could easily be ready for 4k at ok settings and fps or VR down the line.

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    Yes.

    I would also say that having an M.2 SSD is nice, but it isn't as absolutely needed compared to a regular SSD, and games will load into memory, the huge benefits from SSD's or M.2's over SSD's and regular harddrives are under heavy and rapid read\write operations.
    I would recommend having an SSD for OS, but for games I can't really recommend the price pr GB.
    Of course, as mentioned M.2's are nice, and I have one for OS, an SSD for a few games, and a regular hardrive for large storage and the bulk of my steam library.
    And honestly if I launch a game I can't tell the three apart.
    Again it's the OS itself that see the most benefit from SSD.
    And pr GB, M,2's cost about twice as much as SSD's.
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    Agree with @TorTorden

    Quote Originally Posted by zzjorzz View Post
    -Can you better get a I5 6800 6-core or a I7 7700 4 core?
    I think you are talking about i5 8600 vs i7 7700 (6800 don't exists as i5)

    i5 to gen 7 are 4 cores CPUs
    i7 to gen 7 are 4 cores CPUs with Hyperthreading (double threads)
    i7 from gen 8 are 6 cores CPUs
    i7 from gen 8 are 6 cores CPUs with Hyperthreading

    So a 8600 is an i5 with 6 cores and 7700 is an i7 with 4 cores with hyperthreading. Some apps get advantange of the number cores, others are more sensitive to the speed in Ghz of the CPU. With actual prices I would go for i5 8600 or 8600K. The 8500 is another cheap and very good option. I own and i7 8700k and the performance gain is much lower than the price increase (in gaming).

    Quote Originally Posted by zzjorzz View Post
    -Should I spend 70 euro more on a 1070TI instead of a 1070
    The 1070ti is too close to the price to 1080. I'd prefer 1070 or 1080.

    Quote Originally Posted by zzjorzz View Post
    -Is gigabye a solid brand?
    Gigabyte is a good brand. Asus is another good option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asturbo View Post

    I think you are talking about i5 8600 vs i7 7700 (6800 don't exists as i5)
    Yes, typo

    You guys are a huge help! Thanks so much! I will continue my search tomorrow!
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    My last 3 cards were all Gigabyte, and very reliable.

    The TI is around 13% faster so if you getting 100fps, you would get around 113.. as a ballpark estimate
    http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare...070/3943vs3609
    Of if your getting 60fps (due to some heavy load), you would get around 68.

    The I7 would likely be faster - but depends how the game is optimised for usage of the extre cores
    http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare...00K/3647vs3607

    That said i have i7-7700k and 1070 standard - and i can run mostly on high with some on max with 3440x1440 , so you shouldn't have many issues at 1920x1080 (easily max everything). (normally i am using my triples - 5440x1440 - - with corrected rendering (which is a 15% load drain) but i do notice a couple of tracks, when wet/raining and many many trees, i drop to around 48fps, but most always sitting easily above 60.
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    Don't cheap out on a power supply. ,as you will need one aswell. EVGA,Corsair and SeaSonic are good units.,(certified Bronze or Gold). Probably in the 600W to 700W range should do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BullWinkle View Post
    Don't cheap out on a power supply. ,as you will need one aswell. EVGA,Corsair and SeaSonic are good units.,(certified Bronze or Gold). Probably in the 600W to 700W range should do.
    Yes, it's one component that everybody forget and it's very important for the stability of the system. Nowdays 600-650w should be enough, but a choose a good brand.

    And for the memory, better for higher speed and lower latency. But not spend to much for the highest end speeds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asturbo View Post
    Yes, it's one component that everybody forget and it's very important for the stability of the system. Nowdays 600-650w should be enough, but a choose a good brand.

    And for the memory, better for higher speed and lower latency. But not spend to much for the highest end speeds.
    Brand is in my opinion not so important as getting something with a good rating, Bronze is the very lowest I would consider, and the price difference not so high.
    And with a gold rated PSU they will run much more efficiently and have less issues when going near capacity.
    Personally in my current rig I went for a GQ 80+ 1k watt from EVGA but I wanted an overkill rig this time :P

    If I actually look at my hardware, even though it is an i7 8700k with a 1080ti etc it really shouldn't consume more than about 550w at factory clocks.
    I also really like having overhead on my power supplies.

    Also just as a public service announcement.

    Do not mix modular power cables
    There are no standards guiding these, and even though the plugs and sockets look identical, there has been instances of inside the same model series where the polarities etc has had different pin maps on the PSU side between say a 500 watt model and a 750 watt model.
    Unless you take certain care that the cables are compatible, only use the cables included with the model itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TorTorden View Post
    Brand is in my opinion not so important as getting something with a good rating, Bronze is the very lowest I would consider, and the price difference not so high.
    Where can I find those ratings?

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    There usually listed in the power supply advertising description/specs indicating it's rating, Bronze, Gold, or Platinum.

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